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🏰 Traitors: New Blood Ep 3–4 Recap: Katie vs. Xavier Recruitment, Logan’s Murder, Arisa’s Banishing & Jay’s Chaos · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Drama, darling. Drama, darling. Drama, darling.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody. Welcome back, darlings. It's Drama Darling with me,
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  Speaker 2: Amy Phillips. Today, Emily Duresis is here to recap the tragedy.
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I love the traders. I love where
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  Speaker 2: we are. I love these, as they call them, pedestrians.
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  Speaker 2: The yous and I's of television have entered the castle.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just delighted. Now, we do have to talk
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: about a couple of things before we get into traders.
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  Speaker 2: And that is, first of all, I'm hot off the
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  Speaker 2: heels of one of the best weekends of my life, Emily,
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  Speaker 2: in Detroit, Michigan. I had the opportunity to be a
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  Speaker 2: part of this unbelievable charity year one that was to
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  Speaker 2: raise money for the Children's Fund of Michigan, which supports
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  Speaker 2: the arts, and all in Detroit. And my God, it
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  Speaker 2: was the greatest experience of my life. So you guys
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  Speaker 2: know that I flew over to Detroit on Friday. The...
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  Speaker 2: There were events all throughout the weekend and the show
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  Speaker 2: was Saturday night. Well, let me start by saying that
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  Speaker 2: we raised $ 2. 7 million. Hi, welcome in.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Can you believe that? I couldn't even believe it. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, wow. I mean, if they had raised like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a million, I would have been, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even just a million. So anyway, I'm just so grateful.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: To all the darlings that came out to support because
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  Speaker 2: I know you were there. Lots of people showed up.
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  Speaker 2: I certainly didn't get a chance to talk to everybody.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was running around in a wig afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: I did the best I could. But thank you for supporting.
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  Speaker 2: And if you donated and didn't attend, thank you a
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  Speaker 2: million times over because like, you know, Detroit has never
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  Speaker 2: done anything like this before. Nothing of this kind where
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  Speaker 2: it's the the Coney is what it's called. And this
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  Speaker 2: is based off of the format of something that they
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  Speaker 2: do in Kansas City called the Big Slick.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I had wondered if it was like something combined with that,
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  Speaker 4: the way it was set up.
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  Speaker 2: Not combined, just Mark Evan Jackson, who is a Second
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  Speaker 2: City Detroit alumni, he made this all happen. It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: He met with Children's Fund of Michigan, and the person
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  Speaker 2: who heads it up, Andrew, shout out, was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this sounds interesting. So you want to do what now?
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, a sketch variety show that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like a, you know, like a Second City Review almost,
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  Speaker 2: but meets, you know, a charity fundraiser. So there was
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  Speaker 2: like a live auction. There was a raffle. There was
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  Speaker 2: also a silent auction. We did sketches. There were songs.
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  Speaker 2: There was a house band. There were amazing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: celebrities there that are all from Michigan for the most part.
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  Speaker 2: If there were a couple there that maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Were, you know, their spouse was from Michigan, like Tony Hawk.
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  Speaker 2: He was there. He's not from Michigan, but his wife is.
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  Speaker 2: So he visits there all the time. Nice guy. Nice guy.
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  Speaker 2: I had one of my big scenes with Andy Richter.
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  Speaker 2: It was so fun meeting him. John Glazer was there.
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  Speaker 2: We did a lot of bits together. It was so phenomenal, Emily.
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  Speaker 2: It was such an incredible experience. And so I played...
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  Speaker 2: There's a woman whose name is Jomana K.
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  Speaker 5: Roos.
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  Speaker 2: She owns the law firm of Jomana K.
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  Speaker 3: Roos.
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  Speaker 2: It's personal injury law that she does. And she's like
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  Speaker 2: known for her billboards all around Detroit. So she's like
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  Speaker 2: she looks like a real housewife.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And she's on all these billboards with like her arms crossed.
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  Speaker 2: And she's just like this blonde bombshell with these red lips.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, I'm always watching. She's from Beirut, Lebanon.
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  Speaker 2: She moved here, moved to Detroit when she was like 22.
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  Speaker 2: basically made the American dream happen. I had to do
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  Speaker 2: a lot of research, you know, studying her voice and
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  Speaker 2: everything like that. And after, and I've known who she
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  Speaker 2: is since like 2005, because that's when the billboard started.
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  Speaker 2: All of a sudden they just started popping up and
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  Speaker 2: everybody knows who she is. So after I researched and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, this woman is absolutely incredible. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: she's amazing. And so I played her and it was
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  Speaker 2: so fun. And I got to go down into the
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  Speaker 2: audience and like, improvise with the audience and the VIP
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  Speaker 2: section and talk to people about like personal injury and like, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: your shoes look like they're hurting you. You don't call me.
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  Speaker 2: So it was really, really fun. And the reveal of
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  Speaker 2: when I came out was fun because once Andy Richter said, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: Jamana Caruso from the law offices of Jamana Caruso, then
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  Speaker 2: people were like, Oh, you know, cause they, it's just
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  Speaker 2: so recognizable from the billboards. But, um, It was just
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  Speaker 2: such a blast. Now, she was not there at the
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  Speaker 2: charity event, but word got to me last night that
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  Speaker 2: she did post, she reposted a picture of me and
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  Speaker 2: something else, I guess. I haven't looked at, but where
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  Speaker 2: she was like, I was not, I was unable to
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  Speaker 2: make it to the Coney, but it looks like I
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  Speaker 2: did make it into the standup.
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  Speaker 5: It's like a picture of me.
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  Speaker 2: So we were wondering like, is she going to sue
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  Speaker 2: us or is she going to be laughing at it?
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  Speaker 2: You know, but so it looks like she's a great sport,
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  Speaker 2: which I had a feeling she would be because she
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  Speaker 2: does a lot for charities. So, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: they're going to do this every year. And, and I
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: was like, well, I hope I come back. And they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we got to bring, they're like, let's bring you back
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: and Jumana and see if Jumana can come back and
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  Speaker 2: be like, you know, tap me on the shoulder, do
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  Speaker 2: like a whole, you know, Hillary Clinton, Amy Poehler situation.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So it was so tremendous to be a part of
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  Speaker 2: because so much of the show was a celebration of Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, all Detroit jokes. We were in the Detroit
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  Speaker 2: Opera House, which is a gorgeous venue there, which I've
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: been to many, many times. And I just want to
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  Speaker 2: say briefly, and I think later on this week when
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  Speaker 2: Jamie's on, when we recap Salt Lake City, she was there.
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  Speaker 2: And so she and I, we stayed in the same
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  Speaker 2: room together. We paled around to all the events. And-
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  Speaker 2: I was like walking down the streets of Detroit. When
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  Speaker 2: I used to, I went to Wayne State. I worked,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in a high rise on Woodward Boulevard. I
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  Speaker 2: worked in an old factory for a video production company.
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: I worked in advertising. When you went downtown during the
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  Speaker 2: day and you left after you're done with work because
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  Speaker 2: there was nothing down there. And now it is like
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  Speaker 2: a burgeoning city. It is a happening city. you know,
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  Speaker 2: hotspot for bars and restaurants and people are like walking.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is teeming with people. And I got
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  Speaker 2: to say, like a lot of really, you know, hipsters
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  Speaker 2: and just like cool people walking around the city. My
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  Speaker 2: jaw was dragging on Woodward because I couldn't believe what
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  Speaker 2: I was seeing. And it was very emotional to see,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And then also I got to go to
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  Speaker 2: a Tigers game in a suite. It was Justin Verlander's
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  Speaker 2: last game before he retired. He's the pitcher. Waterworks everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: He's up on the mound. They're, you know, sweeping music.
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  Speaker 2: His daughter, his little daughter came out to get him
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  Speaker 2: because usually like the manager comes out to get him
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  Speaker 2: on the mound and brings him back for their retirement.
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  Speaker 2: The daughter came out. People were crying. Jumbotron, cheers all
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  Speaker 2: over the Jumbotrons. And then the next day on Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: I went to the Detroit Lions game. Got to be
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  Speaker 2: in a suite. By the way, both teams won their games,
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  Speaker 2: which was incredible.
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  Speaker 5: Did the daughter come out for the Lions game? Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Locked the team back in.
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  Speaker 2: Turns out she's hired. She's just a precious Detroit child
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  Speaker 2: that gets people crying everywhere. We stayed in Eminem's suite because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he wasn't there that day, I guess. They
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  Speaker 2: let us have it. Walked into the suite, jerseys with
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  Speaker 2: our names on the back of them.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I can't even tell you how spoiled we were.
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  Speaker 2: They flew me first class. I arrived at the Shinola Hotel,
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  Speaker 2: which is a watchmaker. I don't know if you are
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  Speaker 2: familiar with Shinola Detroit Hotel. watches, but they're an exquisite,
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  Speaker 2: a fine watch collection. And they've had a lot to
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  Speaker 2: do with like, you know, their reputation and being downtown
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  Speaker 2: in the city. So building up, you know, all around
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  Speaker 2: them is just a wonderful thing. Well, they have a
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  Speaker 2: hotel as well. They've got these swag bags. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking at the swag bags. Eventually, I couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: I opened this box. It's a freaking Shinola watch, Emily.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: A Shinola watch.
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  Speaker 3: Look at this.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is this gorgeous or what?
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  Speaker 5: Gorgeous Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: So then, um, anyway, it just, where do I begin?
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  Speaker 2: Where do I end?
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: The charity was a success. The fun was a success.
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  Speaker 2: The swag was a success. And, um, I can talk
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  Speaker 2: more about it, but I'm just so grateful. I'm on
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  Speaker 2: cloud nine. My parents were there. Some of my friends
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  Speaker 2: from Ellen. school and high school came to support me.
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  Speaker 2: My best friend, Kelly Ford Owen from Chicago came out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Kelly. Kelly.
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  Speaker 2: And when we were at Ford Field and in a suite,
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  Speaker 2: I was so excited because my brother works for Rosetti
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  Speaker 2: and Associates, architecture firm, downtown Detroit. They freaking designed. They
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  Speaker 2: had everything to do with Ford Field Stadium in general.
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  Speaker 2: And my brother designed the suites and the club level.
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  Speaker 2: So I got to personally be in the suite and
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  Speaker 2: see his workmanship.
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  Speaker 5: Gorgeous Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: Gorgeous Detroit indeed, my friends.
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  Speaker 5: That's great. I know.
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  Speaker 2: It was just it was such an incredible weekend. And
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  Speaker 2: we just had a blast. Jamie and I were up
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  Speaker 2: until 4 a.m. on Saturday night. Got a couple hours
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  Speaker 2: of sleep, popped up, got into that Lions game, went
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: down through the tunnel and onto the field before the
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  Speaker 2: game started. We didn't know that was going to happen.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: We're like, what are we doing? What are we doing
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  Speaker 2: down here?
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: You should have, like, had a white party down there.
• 11:03
  Speaker 5: Real quick. Real quick.
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  Speaker 3: We're just going to do a quick white party.
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  Speaker 5: Excuse me.
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  Speaker 2: I have an announcement to make. Erica Jane, ladies and gentlemen. Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, Detroit?
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  Speaker 1: Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a duet between Erika Jayne and Eminem. He comes.
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  Speaker 5: In.
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Housewives. Beverly Hills Housewives. Ironically, they sound a
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: lot alike.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Lou.
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  Speaker 2: So it was just, it was phenomenal. Mark Evan Jackson,
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  Speaker 2: Sam Richardson, Eugene Cordero. They all got to do a quick, like,
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  Speaker 2: hello on the Jumbotron on Ford Field. You know Eugene Cordero?
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  Speaker 5: I do. I didn't know he was from Detroit, though.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Detroit area.
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  Speaker 5: I knew him from New York. Oh, you knew him
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  Speaker 5: from New York.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know Jamie knew him. I knew him another
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: way because we did some sketch shows together. So anyway,
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: it was just such an interesting thing to get all
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: these people who do different things in entertainment or music
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  Speaker 2: or whatever or skateboarding. Yeah. And then just be like,
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  Speaker 2: have that in common. And we don't, like a lot
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: of us didn't know what other people did in entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there was just really no time to look
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  Speaker 2: anything up or, you know, celebrities don't care. Like they
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: don't care what people do. And so it was just
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: fun to have that in common. And when I say celebrities,
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: I mean them, I'm not talking about me. I was
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: looking them up, you know? So I just, it was
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  Speaker 2: nice to just connect with people just based on A
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  Speaker 2: great cause and Detroit and just being, it was such
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: an awesome bond. Tim Meadows was there. The list goes on.
• 12:53
  Speaker 5: Detroit, Tim Meadows, of course.
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  Speaker 2: So anywho, here we are. Yesterday I tried, I was
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: trying my best to like, you know, get onto the recaps.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: I was so tired I could barely keep my eyes
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  Speaker 2: open because on the flight back, I wasn't tired. So
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  Speaker 2: I watched the movie Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't sleep.
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  Speaker 5: So that is a commit.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I love that movie, but that is like
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  Speaker 4: an early morning screening of.
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  Speaker 5: No, it wasn't early.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't early morning. I left the Lions game and
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: my flight was at 615. OK, here we go. So, folks,
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  Speaker 2: I had never seen that movie, Emily.
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: It's so good.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Is it good?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. It's up. It's one of my favorites.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: Is it really?
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: I understand. No, I didn't know.
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. Yeah. And it's been on my list.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I got to get to that. There's
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: so many that I have to get to. And then
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: when you get on the Delta flight, I was going
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: to try to watch Traders or Ultimate Girls Trip and
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: it wasn't available. And, you know, thankfully it wasn't because
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: I need to I need to live a little and
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: watch some films from 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 5: You know. I hear you. I heard what you said.
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  Speaker 2: Leo and Brad on the silver screen.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: All the time. All the time.
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: When I screw up and I'm, like, frustrated, I'm always like, da-da-da-da-da-da.
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: When Leonardo DiCaprio gets mad at himself for forgetting his line.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, when he's in the trailer.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I see.
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was so good. Oh, that was so good. It
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  Speaker 2: was so good. One of the greatest movies. I want
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: to watch it again this weekend.
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: It's highly rewatchable. Yeah.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: So that was great. I had to like kind of
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: fast forward the violence towards the end, I guess, because
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't know who was around me.
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: And I forgot that I'm in public.
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: I know. I know. I get it.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to because I was like, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I was like, oh. Well, there were no children
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: around me. So that was a perk.
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Because you know how I feel about kids in first class.
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: I've heard... We've all heard.
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  Speaker 4: We've all seen the videos, the very viral videos of
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: you losing your mind.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: On children in first class.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: But Delta allowed me back on. And that is a joke.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: But that's the first time I've ever flown first class.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: And boy, was it great.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I had to speak on that. And I'm just
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: so grateful to have been a part of it. And
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: it all happened because of Mark Evan Jackson, who you
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: know from millions of things, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The Good Place,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: tons of stuff. When we walked into the airport, one
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: last thing. When we walked into the airport on our
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: way back, And it was me and Mark and a
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: couple other people. So we walk in the airport and
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'll see you guys later. I got
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: to repack my bag because leaving the Lions game, I
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: left with like all this swags, like all these sweatshirts
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: and hats in this bag. And I'm like, I got
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: to throw this.
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  Speaker 5: In my bag.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like on the ground putting this stuff in there.
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  Speaker 2: And there's like a group of people next to me.
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  Speaker 2: And the entire conversation that they had was talking about
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  Speaker 2: Mark Evan Jackson. And this one gal was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know him. And she had to tell them everything
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  Speaker 2: he was in. And then like the entire time I
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: just heard her be like, they're just looking at his
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  Speaker 2: IMDb like, oh, he was in this.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, he was in this. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was just so funny. And I'm just like on
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: the ground in spilled soda. And I'm like, I was there, too.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm here. Do you know who I am?
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Watch what happens live. Graciously, I asked them to donate
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  Speaker 2: tickets to the live audience, two tickets.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 2: Which ended up being it's kind of a long story.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, $ 16, 000 was raised.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Two sets of tickets.
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  Speaker 5: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that unbelievable?
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  Speaker 3: That is.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: With airfare or no?
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: $ 8, 000 a piece.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: No.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Just the tickets.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: Very cool. I know.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: So thank you. Watch What Happens Live, Deirdre, Andy Cohen,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: all the people who helped make that happen, who I'm
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: sure are not listening. But thank you, Deirdre. Easy match. Well,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: then last night, boy, was it just a delight to
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: just watch two episodes of Traitors. And I'm so bummed
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: that now we have to wait until October 8th on
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Peacock to watch the next episode.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because of major league playoffs. Yeah. Stupid baseball.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Except for the Tigers.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: The Tigers. Oh, give it a rest. Here comes a
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: little girl to walk you off your fucking tigers. Here
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: we go.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to like double down on all my
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: sports teams now.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Get ready.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because Traders is now on NBC. We've never had
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to wait for sports for any of our Peacock or
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Bravo programming.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: And now that it's on NBC proper, we have to.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Now we have to work around it. I am glad
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: that they're giving us two episodes, though. They're making up
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: for it. And I think that's smart.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: They usually do.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: No, they don't, Emily. I'm just kidding.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Do they?
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: I don't remember.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: They always give us two at the top.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: And then sometimes they give us two in the middle.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: They give us the first four pretty fast. And then
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: we have to wait per week. But I think that
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: because we don't know these people.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: We don't know her.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: We don't know her. We don't know that. But it
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: is good. Because we have to get to know them.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: They're not celebrities.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: We don't have a frame of reference for them to
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: immediately push us forward.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: I'm glad. I'm loving this season.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, it's hard to remember who everybody
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: is with a break.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Do you remember?
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I'm trying.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Do you remember?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I remember Kylo Ren. This is so cool, you guys.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: So after the first two episodes of Traitors, over on
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the Patreon.com slash drama darling, Stacey Gillespie popped up under
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the recap in the comments and said, my son Wyatt
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: is on the cast. Keep watching. Rooting for him. Love
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: your podcasts so much. I was like, come again now?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: So I took a screenshot of her comment, posted it
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: on the page.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I was like, alert, alert, darlings.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: So Stacy. Wow.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Your son is amazing. He is clocking stuff. We got
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: that towards the end of this fourth episode. Loving what
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: he's bringing. And if you aren't familiar, look at the
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: cast list. But he is the younger gentleman with light hair.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And his name is Wyatt. So he is going to
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: be our... He's we're, we're, we're going to root for him.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: He goes right to the top, right to the top.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: We didn't say last week who are, who we thought
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: would win.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: You're right.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So you know what? And I think that that's okay
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: because as you were mentioning, we have to get to
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: know these people and like with celebrity versions, I feel
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: like we already know them. So we have a little
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: bit of a leg up to say, you know, Dorinda
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: will not, we'll be leave after two episodes.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: But we could do that. Do you want to do
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: it now or at the end of the episode?
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Let's do it at the end.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I will just say that Wyatt has not been in
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: a lot, which makes me think that we're going to
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: see him more.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: And same with Shane.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: And yeah. So, okay. This is so great. I can't wait.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about this. Let's get into it. The Traitors.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, we have to one more shout out to Heather G,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: darling Heather G, who pointed out that Morgan is like
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: a very Instagram famous comic in Chicago, but from Detroit.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: And Heather G's like, you got to follow Morgan. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: was like, I've seen this gal's videos a bunch. So
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Morgan Cook on Instagram, she has like a million followers.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: Super funny. is Morgan in The Traitors.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: That is so cool.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: What happened?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: This is just a delight. And I love that she's
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: from Michigan.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: So, guys. Wow.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: This is.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: It's a great cast. It's a great, great cast. The
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: way that these traitors met these accomplices was just fabulous.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: And we left off with not knowing if both Katie
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: and Xavier got their death warrants. Turns out, they did.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: And boy, oh boy, when they got that flashback, I
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: loved seeing it. I love that Xavier was in the
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: room when Katie grabbed hers out of the book.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: That was awesome. And you know, when they were deciding...
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: who they should keep, I thought, this is a tough one.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I understood why they chose Katie. And at the time,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: and I do feel like that was the right decision.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Because even if she does, like, they also have to
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: have somewhat of a sacrificial lamb, where even if there
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: is a little bit of heat on her, which they
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: kind of knew, they had to go with that because
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: it's like, Well, we're going to take the risk because
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: if she gets found out, it's still OK because they're
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: going to get rid of her and we'll still be OK.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Also, Xavier kind of helped them make the decision because
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: his argument is there's already heat on Katie. And if
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I'm a traitor, I'm like, great. She's going to be
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: thrown under the bus immediately.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And I think that they were smart to think, wow,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: he quickly went traitor on traitor. That's to be noted.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: That's to be noted.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean, you got to respect the game
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that he was willing to do that because he wanted
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: to be a traitor so bad. But I thought that
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that was the right choice, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I got to respect it. You know, could have gone
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: either way.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And I love that Joe is still like, yeah, you know, she's.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Got this clique. She's got all these, you know, youth clique.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Tweeters and uh you know these uh tickers and stuff
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and i love katie he was like i want to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: live the experience so that i can take it with
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: me for the rest of my life i was like
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: this is that's deep and i love it i like
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that she just got in there and the fact that
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: they're like mommy daddy and baby traders.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Oh i hate that i hate it i.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Do like if they could it would have said mama
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: bear daddy bear and baby bear traders i would have
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: liked that better but i do like tiny trader i
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: think that's funny Yeah, I did also.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Like Joe saying, Tameka and I, we got the posters
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: on the wall, our beds are set up, got our
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: music playing on the stereo.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I know. who are we going to bring in here?
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: You know, it's our place.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: It's our place.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: It's our place.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Tamika calling out the young kids as the Love Island
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: crew is.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: That was great. Smart. Yeah.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Katie is, Katie is nailing it with the Love Island crew.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Also like, thank you Tamika for having Love Island producers
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: look at us now as possible Love Island Islanders.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Like I also was like, I like that you're like us.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, not me and Amy.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: We already have been on the island. We've been in
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: cast on the show. Yeah, I've been there, done that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: But like now it's like kind of a nod to
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: them to be like, oh, we should look at some
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: of these guys for Love Island. Because like Erin was
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Love Island from UK Traders. Oh, right. Oh, interesting.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Wow. Cross-pollination, you know. What are they, Bravo and Peacock?
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: What are they?
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Katie, I like that Katie was like, I did not
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: vote for Madeline because I thought she was a traitor
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and I didn't want to take out one of our own.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: I think she was serious, too.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I thought it was smart to
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: prove yourself in that way.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: So let's go to breakfast. OK, so they go to breakfast.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: People are talking. They think the murmurs are they think
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Victor turned on Madeline. And is a traitor. And they're
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, people are spouting off their theories.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Katie's coming in good. And the actual traitors are impressed
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: with her game play. And now Logan.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: They are going to. He's he's got to go. He's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: too smart.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: I know, I know.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: He's too smart. And this is what's such a bummer
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: about these shows is that when you get the good
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: ones who are, they go early because.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: They have to.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I will say that Logan was a bummer because I
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: initially was thrown by him, which made me think he
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: was obviously compelling. And even though he was just like
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: not very vocal, but when he did talk, it was
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: really interesting.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: So I was bummed to see him go this time.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I know. So sad.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: He had to.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: He had to.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: He had to. But wouldn't that have been so nice
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: to see a whole, you know, like a whole season
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: with him? I mean, his voice is so great. His
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: points are good. Yeah.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: He was too much of a liability.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Big time.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: But I mean, like, also.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: to clock it right away with the Xavier gone and
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: being like, I'll tell you who's, who had a problem.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, he right away, right at breakfast. Oh yeah. Immediately.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Well, can we just talk about Victor for a second?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Cause he is just like, he's just full of like
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: this very funny energy to me. He is completely unregulated.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: He's just like, Oh man, what? Come on.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I am not a traitor.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Like, The way that he's acting, I honestly would be like,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: he's not a traitor. Look at how he's acting. He
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: genuinely is like, you guys, come on.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: And I love it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: It's so entertaining. And when they got to that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Well, it was kind of the last challenge, which I
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: know that I'm kind of skipping around. But when Abby
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: was like, Victor, you know, like, we all think you're
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: a traitor, so you've got to be left behind. He's like,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: come on, guys, guys. He's like the little brother that
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: just keeps trying to hang with the cool, his cool
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: older brother. And they're like, no, Victor, we don't. He's like, guys,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I told you.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: There is a case to be made, I have to say,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: after these episodes between Jay and Victor. That, like, creating chaos.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Intentionally or not at least keeps you safe from murder
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: because the feeding frenzy is going to be at the roundtable,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: but you'll sleep well at night because the traitors are
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: not going to take you out if there's heat on
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: you by other faithfuls during the day at the roundtable.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: They're not going to kill you off.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Wasn't there in one of the other
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: seasons somebody was creating so many problems?
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But that's a little different. Emily, remember there's a
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: T at the end of it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: I refuse.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Okay. That's okay.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: It's part of your accent.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: We got to embrace it. But like, you know, it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: one of those things where it's like, no, I don't
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: think he's going to last. Everyone hates him. He's such
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a gnat. Like, what are you doing?
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: But they hated him before this.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: He was like the controversial pick for traitors anyway. And
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I feel like people gave him the benefit of the
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: doubt as his persona outside of there.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: And then once he was there and being awful, people are.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Like you're just a bad faithful whereas like jay nobody
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: really knows him or his wife and they are um
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: like kind of confused and i think it's gonna work
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: for him unless it just becomes a bad faithful he's
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: an awful faithful they've got to get rid of him
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: He's driving everybody crazy.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And the fact that he was just like, I'll drop
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: a name. I will drop a name. I was like,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I'm going to drop you in the woods and leave
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: you for dead like that. I would have probably lost
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: my mind with him. I would have absolutely been like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: shut the fuck up. And what was interesting is that
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: he so the name he dropped was Christy, not even Katie,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: even though he was alluding to Katie at some point
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: throughout the woods. Oh, just like a traitor would say.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: And I was like, no, that's somebody who actually is
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: annoyed with your behavior.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: But then he laid it out pretty well for like
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: he said, I think it's Christy and I think it's Katie.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: And then but then he's like he said to a
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: couple of people, watch how they act when I go hard.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: And they were like, yeah, Katie really lost it. And
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Michael pulled Katie aside and was like, I've never seen
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: you like that. I was like, you've known her for
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: two days.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: And you could tell, like, as whacked out as Jay
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: was about it, he had convinced some people.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, we don't know yet.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Right. But she is acting weird. I mean, she wasn't
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the first day. When she was an accomplice, she wasn't
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: acting weird.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: She was good.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Then it started to, the water started to rise on
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: her and she's like not in a good place. When
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: she was talking to Abby, she couldn't have licked her
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: lips or like blinked her eyes or looked left or shrugged.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Like she did every single thing that a body language
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: expert would consider someone hiding a secret would do. And
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Abby's just like, yeah. I mean, she's just not looking
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: at anything. Abby is interesting. She's been completely way off.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And yet somehow she's getting closer. And I don't know
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: how that's working. It's like she's fully sniffing in the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: wrong direction. But somehow she's taking the long route around.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: But I think she's going to get there before other people.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, too. And I also I'm not like
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: I know we're kind of jumping around, but.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Arisa getting voted out based on the clue that Michael
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: and Ben got about the traitors. Basically, someone there was
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: basically some kind of challenge last night that had to happen.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: And you have to start looking at the weird shit
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: that went down. And I would have also looked at
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Jay doing that weird. I'm just a hugger. I'm coming
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: over here to hug you. Um, so there were a
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: couple of weird moves that we as viewers saw, but
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the weirdest was holding the hands.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: And more than one person saw that weird moment and
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: it stood out. It's hard to like get, you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: eyes on everything that I would have absolutely thought that
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: that was an initiation or, you know, a hundred percent.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So I agree with their, their choice on that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do too. That was bad. Cause I liked
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Arisa though. But it was weird from the jump. And
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: they even said it in the room. Are you doing
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: a recruitment right now?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: What is this? That's right. They totally called it out.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: You're right.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: And then also, there was that argument about the shield.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Because Abby thinks that she saw Arissa get a shield.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Which was explainable, as she said. It was like, no,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I was untying the rope. But also.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: That whole shield thing with going into those crypts and
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: the treasure, we still don't know who has the shields. Correct?
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Because I don't remember seeing... Well, Clyde.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Tamika and Clyde have... Remember, because Clyde is like, I
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: don't know what the hell Tamika... I don't think Tamika
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: understands how to play this game. And Tamika's like, buddy,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: go ahead and take the shield because I'm a traitor.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: He doesn't know that. But she's just like... And then
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: she uses that opportunity to.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Be like, I just need to be honest. I don't
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: want to get called out.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Clyde and I got a shield and Clyde has a shield.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I don't have the shield.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: And then Clyde's like. Yeah.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Like I thought that, but I thought that she, that
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: was really smart of her.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: It's smart, too, because now Clyde and then somebody maybe
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: it was Abby.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I think it was Abby that was like, I definitely
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: don't think you're a traitor now. Didn't she say that?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Somebody said that to her walking in. Yeah.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Which is why I'm like, she's so off on so
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: many things that she's she literally was like, I think
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: when she was talking to Katie, I'm pretty positive she
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: was something like, Yeah, Tamika 100% doesn't even know what
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the word traitor means. Like she is not a traitor.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: And Joe, like those two are, those are the two
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: most people that are not at all on my radar
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: or on my list. And you, Katie, like you couldn't
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: do it. So she does not have a sense. And
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: so at first I was like, oh my God, she's
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: so far off. This is amazing. But then as the
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: episodes went on, somehow some of the things that she
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: did made me think like towards the end, I was like, okay.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: She's going to somehow turn this around and figure it
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: out maybe. But they're not going to get rid of
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: her because she is kind of off.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: And it seems like Katie can get to her.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: They're buddies.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Here's the other thing that where I was like, Abby,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And everyone seemed to be
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: fine with this. I'm curious how you feel about it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: But I was like, this is nothing. So Sherry said
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: to Abby, we need to start looking at the men.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: We know there aren't three female traitors. And Abby's like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: how does she know how many? And I'm like, because
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: we all just fucking agreed that they just probably recruited somebody.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: And so there would be three. Also, with the rules
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: of traitors at this point in the game, there's usually
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: three traitors. So I did not think that this was
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a smoking gun at all.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: I did.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: You did? But I don't understand.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Explain to me. Sometimes there are four traitors. Okay.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, four. Okay, I guess.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: And so I think like it could be, I could
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: see the logic. And again, when we're this early in
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: the game and you just need to have quote unquote evidence.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: That when you start to hear people say the wrong thing,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: that's the best evidence you can possibly get, except for
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: like seeing them do something or seeing that, you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: stepping out of line verbally is the best evidence, even
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: though it's.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: But it's also often completely wrong and the thinnest.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: So is everything else. Everything else is always wrong.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: So But to your point, it has never been right
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: that when somebody has misspoke.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: That's why I was so mad last week about Christy
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: doubling down on my girl Madeline. You know, I was
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: so pissed about that. Now, hold on, though. What she
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: said about Xavier at the breakfast was very impressive. She's like.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: I don't know how no one else clocked that. Like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: as soon as she said it, it should have been
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: an immediate.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like it kind of.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Was, but not enough.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It was, don't you think? Yeah, not enough. Or if
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: it was, we didn't see it because Alan came in
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: They cut it. Right, yeah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: But she did put, she connected two things, which was
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: very impressive, which means she is thinking ahead, you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: which is a great way, you know, she's thinking ahead
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: in terms of how things work on this game.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Or thinking back.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Or thinking sideways, yeah. but like it didn't lead us
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to anyone necessarily except.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: For the connection with Katie right right right and I
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: do think like um Joe had that conversation with Michael
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: which I actually thought was pretty smart earlier that day
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: which was uh his theory about they are taking out
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: all the athletic people that are good on the challenges
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: so that it will The traitors must be super athletic
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: because they haven't killed anybody like Joe, basically. Because then
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: it'll leave only a few people that are really good
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: in the challenges.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: And I thought that was a really good theory.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I wish he would have talked
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: about that more at the roundtable, too.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't come up.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: But, like.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: But because no one's ever really said that, I think
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: because it's such a afterthought that you even that would
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: be like the last course of action to get rid
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: of somebody or keep someone because of if there's heat
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: on you, there's heat on you and you have to
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: find a way around it. But I guess if you're
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: trying to, you know, throw eyes in a different direction,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: that could be a strategy as a default of like, well,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: who can we get rid of? Who could be just
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a wash?
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Right right right not a strong person yeah yeah oh
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: no I mean I'm sorry or rather a strong person right.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Yes I'm but yes but like both both things can
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: be true as as we say As we say.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: As Alan says.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Are you a faithful or a traitor?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Jay, the traitors aren't playing a good game. I have
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: my sights set on someone, but I'm not sure. And
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: so I won't tell. And I won't tell because I
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: know who it is because I don't know. And I
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: will tell you at the round table or right now
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: that I won't tell you. in the challenge also because
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: i do know for sure that i don't this guy.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Is uh.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: He is i'm sorry he's so golden until he's absolutely
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: like just worn silver No.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I don't ever want to hang out with a guy.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: I never, ever want to be in a situation where
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: teamwork is involved with him.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: But as a viewer, I'm like, yeah, it's entertaining.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: By the way, Wyatt, thank you, Wyatt, darling. He's one
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: of the ones that's like, you got to shut up.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Like you really have to shut up.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: I loved it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: I know. I, and I'd also am like, You know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I know when we go, we get on our phones
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: and we vote for the traitor.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: I'm definitely going to vote for Wyatt. Don't worry.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't vote for Jay, but I'm just like, yeah,
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: he's great.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's extremely entertaining. I just I put myself in
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that position on that challenge. And I was like, man,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: you're awful. Now, this shortlist thing, I don't like. It's
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: not fair. Like you're it's just random people. Who are
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: taking one for the team. And I don't think it
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: should be like that. You know, a short list to
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: be murdered. Like, that's not cool.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: I'm of two minds because I agree it's not cool.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: But then at the same time, it adds a lot.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: It adds so many stakes to the actual challenge. It
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: makes the challenges interesting to watch. Because there's friction among
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: the people that are staying behind. And why aren't you
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: staying behind? I mean, it made that challenge interesting. Yeah,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: because the.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Stakes are higher.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like, yeah, you don't necessarily need to
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: do it every time, but when it shortlists you, then
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: people get pretty real quick.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, shortlisted. Morgan, Naya, Mark, Victor, Christy, Clyde, Abby, Tamika, Sherry, Joe,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: and there's going to be a funeral. Boy, when they
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: put them in those boxes... This is one of the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: reasons why I don't think I could go on traders
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: for those tombs, for those like caskets. I just couldn't
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: do it. I would get really freaked out.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Even with like knowing there's a hundred cameras in there?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe I'd be okay.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: If they put, I don't know if they're throwing dirt
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: on it. Oh God, I don't think I could do it.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: I could totally do it. I would be all about it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: The bugs, all of it. I'd be fine. Yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Wait, we've got Michael. Who's Michael? Let me see here.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Michael confronts Katie. And he's like, yeah, so people are
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: basically saying it's you. And she's like, mm-hmm. She's basically
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: like turning into Kyle. She's like licking her lips. She's
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: just like, right? And now, and so we've got, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: so we're at the round table and Jay is tries
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: to be concise and says he's been taking notes all
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: week and Katie is the traitor. So like, what the fuck, Jay?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: You said on, you know, in the forest that you
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: thought it was Arisa and you also said Katie, but
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: now you're saying you're just saying Katie. And that's where
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: we land.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Well, he's right. But I don't like the delivery is annoying,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: but he's right.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: I will say this is going back to the end
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: of episode three. Because that ended on a round table
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: two with Jay. And that was him being like, the
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: way it was edited, I wasn't sure what it was.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: But he's like, I'm a body language expert.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: And then Joe's like, hold on.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Hold on. You're a body language expert.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Are you?
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: This is a stretch.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Somebody was recruited last night. Dude, anybody's body language. I
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: was like, Jesus. And then.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: They cut away and it seemed like Jay was like,
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: I just wasn't paying attention last time.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I almost lost my mind. That's the type of psychological
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: torment that is too much to be on the traitors.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: You're attacking your I don't know.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. I, I went nuts when he
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: did that. I was like, then why did you bring
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: that up? Why did you bring it up? But he's
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: supposed to be a physician, right?
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: And he was active military. Like Jay is like, Jay,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: I looked, I looked him up.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I think he's not active. I, but he saw, I
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: think he, he was like activated.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah. Yeah.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: And when he was just sitting there alone eating at
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: the breakfast table, his dinner, and just like scarfing it down.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: What's with these? Like him and Michael Rappaport eating the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: way that they're eating, like shoveling it in. I'm just
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: thinking like, do you guys not have time? Like, is
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: it a time thing?
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: And then Sherry tried to talk to him and he
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: wouldn't even respond. She's like, where are the napkins? And
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: she's like, okay.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: And he didn't even acknowledge her.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: He was like off.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he did. He was charging.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: That guy's crazy. You know, some of these people lie
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: about what they do, but we know the secret about
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: what they do. So, right?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: So far.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: I guarantee there's going to be more reveals.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Jay is lying. He's not a doctor. There's
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: no way.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: No, he is.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Well, according to the, I looked him up. He's a physician.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Of what?
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: But he's like a general practitioner. Okay. And his wife
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: is a nurse and works with him.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Let's go with that. I had to look that up.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Let's go with that. And then I was like, when
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: did this site, when did they design this site? Like,
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: is this real?
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, my.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: Gosh.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: But.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: I think, like, that's actually the only one I looked up.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: He's a mustache doctor.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Come here.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Let me see that mustache. Let me just see. When
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: was the last time you got your mustache checked? Ooh,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to, we're going to have to
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: do an ultrasound on this mustache. Yeah, I'm seeing some,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: oh God, I'm seeing some crumbs in here. This is
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: not looking good.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that for anybody else, I mean, when
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: we were talking the last time about if there's connections
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: in the cast, I think that it would have been.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Called out by now.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, you do.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Because I don't know how they got away with it
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: in the UK, but they will have, remember like Diana
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: and her son? Yeah.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: And they've had other, or boyfriend and girlfriend.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Eventually, like once these Traitors episodes start airing, people know
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: in their communities that they're together or there's some connection.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: We haven't heard that. So I'm assuming that there isn't that.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I wonder if, the selection of traders is going to
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: have to change significantly now from in the future because
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: they have a pattern of choosing people who now to
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: me are very obvious if they continue going down this route,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: like of the people that they choose, they choose very,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: you know, vivacious, charismatic, strong, obvious people. Whereas like, you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: like Joe and Tamika are, If people were to look
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: at the history of who they've chosen to be traitors,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: they both fit the bill, in my opinion. So they're
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: not going to be able to use this anymore. They're
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: going to have to start going and putting like people
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: like Abby, who's like a mom, you know, in a
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: position or and like Wyatt, you know, who's like a
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: younger guy who just seems real nice. To me, I
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: think that this is going to be way more obvious
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to people later. Um, I don't know. This format, this
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: format seems, because they've used the same type of format.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: It's almost like the same casting. Do you know what
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I'm saying?
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Am I wrong about that? I, I do think maybe,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: but I've watched a lot of traders and so in
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: different countries.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: So I feel like this is not that, they do
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: change it up a lot.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: And, especially with like we don't really know these people
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: because they're not celebrities and I think like we're kind
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: of making them who we want them to be in
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: a way and same within the castle because they don't
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: have a frame of reference for who anybody is either
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: and so they're assigning these traits to them like to
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: me if I'm in the castle Joe is not going
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: to be a traitor to me because he's so vocal
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: that I'm just going to assume he's like, like, but.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: That's exactly why I think that that's why I would
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: think he is based on the traitors that I've seen.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: So you've seen a bunch of others. And for me,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: all the ones that I feel like we've seen that
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: are vocal, like end up being traitors. And it's like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. You know, I mean, uh, Rob wasn't,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: you know, he wasn't that vocal. All right, so who's gone? Xavier?
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: Kim, Arissa, Logan, Madeline.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Wait, okay.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: Madeline and Arissa were roundtable outs.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Kim, Logan, Xavier were trader outs.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's right. Kim, Logan. Where's Logan?
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God. Well, I don't know what your grid is,
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: but he's between Christy and Madeline to me.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, OK.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Logan, there he is.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: And a lot.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Even as a person, he's between Christy and Madeline.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Very Southern quiet.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So. All right. Why don't we talk about
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: who we think is going to be like. All right.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Let's just talk this through. Who's going to make it
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: to the end? And then our final picks. Shane and Sherry,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: they had a really interesting conversation towards the end there.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: And I loved that. I love that Shane was like,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: how do you feel about Katie? Because Logan and Xavier
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: mentioned her and she was like, huh. And she really
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: took it in. Also, I appreciated that she did acknowledge
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: that she was super quiet and she was like, I'm
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: going to stop. I need to speak up because that's
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: not who I am. And I don't know what came
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: over me. So I was I'm glad that she got
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: that out, you know, to people. Yeah. Shane, I think,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: is going to make it to the end. He may
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: end up being taken out because I think he's going
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: to be really good. But I think he might be
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: recruited eventually. So I'm going to say Shane is going
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: to make it to the end as a trader. That's
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: going to be my prediction. And Michael, I think, is
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: going to make it to the end. And I think
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Abby is going to make it to the end because
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: she's going to kind of go along with people. She's
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: going to be one of those people that's like really nice.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Which Abby? Abby B.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Abby L. Abby B.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Abby B. Who's there as a mom, like doing it
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: for herself. She's going to be one of those people
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: that is going to be carried because she's not going
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: to be controversial. She's not going to kick up dust.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: And she'll end up towards the end because she's just
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: like neutral. Do you know what I'm saying?
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but she's not really in an alliance with one
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: of the traitors. And so because of that, I think
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: that I could.
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: See them turning on her. Unless they recruit her.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But not now.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Usually someone like Abby has to be BFFs with one
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: of the traitors.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Not even realizing it.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: From the jump, though?
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: But from the jump?
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: Well, we're four episodes in. Okay.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So you think like from the jump, really?
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Because I think that the traitors could use her, you know?
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Who do I think is going to get it all?
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: It's not clear to me, by the way, who Tamika's
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: alliances are with.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: Like she doesn't seem to be in a clique.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: And Joe kind of is with some of the guys,
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: but not totally like.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is very different than like celebrity because. you're
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: coming in with friends that you already know. So it's
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: not as clear.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: That's why, I mean, you've watched more than me, but
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: it seems like they need more time. Like the regular
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: people need more time to create their kind of alliances.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: The first whiff of an alliance, or at least a
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: connection that seemed to run deep was like Shane and
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Sherry seemed to be like, we're vibing. And then you've
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: got the dolls and they're falling apart. You know, they're
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: not going to stand the test of time. What I
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: think would be a really smart move is if the
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: traders eventually recruited Michael because no one would ever guess
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: that it is Michael because he's a good player, he's smart,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: and people trust him.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: But I think they already are looking at Michael because
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: that last roundtable they were saying you're way too smart.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: If I was a trader, I would kill you. I
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: would have murdered you, Michael, because you're way too smart.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: And you're a lawyer. Like, Victor saying that changed some
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: minds at the table.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: So you're saying that they might vote him already as, like,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: being a traitor?
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Interesting. Yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, I don't know.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: This is a really good show. Okay, what are your
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: thoughts on who do you think is going to go
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: to the end?
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: I think Naya. Naya, if she is a faithful....
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: Um and i'm i this is not just saying this
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: but i'm looking at wyatt too because he is not
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: in a lot of the edits right now which i
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: think that they're saving him because we don't need to
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: get to know him yet because he's not leaving yet
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: yeah oh that would be and i think yeah so
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: that i'm i'm thinking wyatt and naya.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Victor's going to have a really interesting time because he's
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: just going to be a roller coaster. Like he's going
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: to have ups and downs. People are going to really
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: trust him and really not trust him. And I think
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: this is going to be the most interesting arc is
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: his journey.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I wonder where he's going to land. I don't want
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: him to leave.
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: Maybe Shane too. If there are three faithfuls left, those
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: would be the three.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Victor, Wyatt, and Shane. Oh, you're saying Naya, Shane, and Wyatt.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: Naya, Shane, and Wyatt. Yeah.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Those are good picks. As faithfuls?
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: If they get to the end, and if they're, you
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: know what I mean? I could see one of the
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: three or all three of them, if they remain faithfuls,
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: they could do it.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I would think that, like, if they have to recruit,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: if they take Katie off, if they, like, clip Katie next,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: which they probably... I think they will. I think she's gone.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: They have to. Yeah. They need a sacrifice of traitors soon.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: By the way, we haven't even mentioned Mark. He's just
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: like this sweetheart that's like perched up there like a
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: little kitten.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Hey, man. Bros can win this thing. So like I
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: could see him doing it too.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Everybody loves Mark.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: They should recruit him.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: If Katie, that would be interesting. If Katie goes, which
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: she probably will, and they're going to have to recruit
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: someone else. It would be tempting to recruit Jay because
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: he's such a chaos monster. But I don't think that
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: they would ever do it because he is such a
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: chaos monster that it would like.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would never want him to know I was
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: a traitor.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Because his kind of chaos does seem to be very managed.
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: And I would, as a traitor, would be so thrown...
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: But he would never be thrown.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say manic. I was like, yeah.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's managed. I think it's manic.
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: But he's managing it. He's good at knowing what he's doing.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: I really do think he is a good player.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Because he throws everybody out. It's an interesting strategy that
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: we haven't seen anybody do deliberately.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: It's incidental when people are causing chaos and then they're
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: not considered a traitor because of that.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: And they keep them for that. So he knows the
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: game well enough now. We're so many, you know, seasons in.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: So he knows that by doing that, that could garner
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: him safety. But it can also backfire.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: It can backfire. Because he's doing it so hard.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: But if he is driving for Katie and they get
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Katie out and she.
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: Is a traitor.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: the game will switch to, they won't give a shit
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: about Jay unless he, you know, is on it. You
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: can't even deal with them in a normal day, which
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: could also happen. But I think he's smart enough to
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: pull back from that.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: And it would be really smart to.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Make Mark a traitor and then, and then take out
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: like an, you know, somebody that's, like, really good in
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: the challenges, like, besides Mark.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: So then it could lean into Joe's theory about athletes
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: getting knocked off. Oh, right, right.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: And then they could get Mark out because then it
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: would be like, Mark, you wanted to be the strongest
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: person and now you're a trainer.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow, you're really thinking ahead. Abby L. at times
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: has reminded me of, like, was it Dolores that was, like,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: completely off about who she trusted, right?
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: Well, she was so annoyed by Sandoval that she just kept.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Or no, wait.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: She was annoyed by Sandoval, but she kept saying that
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: the actual traitors, she was so off and she was
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: just calling them out as if they were the best
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: people and there was no way. And that's kind of
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: how I see Abby L.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my God.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: And Sandoval kept thinking it was Dolores. She was like,
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: they're still fighting. She's still mad about it.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: She already, she even mentioned an ultimate girls trip at
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: that Halloween party or whatever.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Remember at the fire when Dolores was like, I will
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: find your families and kill them.
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: Basically.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: You guys are traitors at the final.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, right.
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: That's how you do it in Jersey.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's such a good season already. I'm obsessed.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: It's so great to be back. Alan is firing on
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: all cylinders.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: I love the red look.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: The red look. Followed by a real nice black look, too.
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: That was great as well.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Well, guys, thank you so much for listening. We're having
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: a great time over here on Drama Darling, so if
• 59:57
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• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:07
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• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: Off air mode.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Goodbye, Emily.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: Goodbye.