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The Safeguards Protect Everyone Except Men | HBR Talk 418 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Well, hello, and welcome to As Soon As The Countdown Ends,
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  Speaker 1: Hannah's Page Closes. That was fun. So, let's see what
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  Speaker 1: we can do here. This is The Safeguards Protect Everyone
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  Speaker 1: Except Men, and I believe the correct number is HBR
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  Speaker 1: Talk 418. And I have no idea what the hell
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say next. So I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to wing it a little bit. But what we've been
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  Speaker 1: doing is we've been going over a series of discussions
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  Speaker 1: around the issue of corruption in medically assisted suicide. When
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  Speaker 1: I say corruption in medically assisted suicide, what I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about is how it's administered. if somebody is dying and
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  Speaker 1: medical science can't save them from their condition and their
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  Speaker 1: death is going to torture them on the way out,
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  Speaker 1: we've all sort of agreed that they should have the
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  Speaker 1: ability to preemptively strike against death by deciding their own
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  Speaker 1: time in their own way, right? A more painless, more
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  Speaker 1: empowered death than say choking to death or dying in
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  Speaker 1: excruciating pain from cancer that medical science has not figured
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  Speaker 1: out a way to prevent at this point or to
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  Speaker 1: stop at this point. Um, but we were also seeing
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  Speaker 1: that there have been in multiple nations abuses of this,
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  Speaker 1: where it's just been used to get rid of people
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  Speaker 1: who maybe are a little inconvenient, uh, where, uh, People
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  Speaker 1: have jumped the gun with somebody who not only doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have a terminal condition, but is incredibly curable or treatable
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  Speaker 1: and could go on to do a lot of fun
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  Speaker 1: things and enjoy life for quite some time afterward. And
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  Speaker 1: there has been at least one instance where an individual
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  Speaker 1: has not wanted to die and they've been talked into it.
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  Speaker 1: because they didn't understand the conversation. And at least one
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  Speaker 1: instance where somebody has changed their mind and was basically told, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's too late now. We're selling your organs, so you
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  Speaker 1: have to die. So there are some instances where an
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  Speaker 1: abuse of this power has really made someone's death far
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  Speaker 1: more traumatic than it should have been. And earlier than
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  Speaker 1: it should have been. And it wasn't used to prevent
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  Speaker 1: a torturous death from an untreatable condition. And that's where
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  Speaker 1: we look at, all right, if this is happening, what's
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  Speaker 1: the risk to men? Because we know that men are
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  Speaker 1: at higher risk of suicide outside of this. Men are
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  Speaker 1: at higher risk of suicide because of depression. men are
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  Speaker 1: at higher risk of suicide because of circumstances that they're in.
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  Speaker 1: We know that men have committed suicide over their court cases,
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  Speaker 1: over being falsely accused, over a loss of a marriage
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  Speaker 1: or some other really detrimental, big life change. And we
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  Speaker 1: know if that's the circumstance, then we know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we can't just ignore these type of abuses because men
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  Speaker 1: are going to be at risk for that too. So
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  Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, what we're really dealing
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  Speaker 1: with here, it's not just a question of assisted suicide
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  Speaker 1: or not assisted suicide. It's a much bigger question than that.
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  Speaker 1: When a man works all of his life as the
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  Speaker 1: breadwinner for a family, And then he has a disability
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  Speaker 1: in his elder years or he has a terminal illness,
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  Speaker 1: but he has years to live, not weeks or months.
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  Speaker 1: And a painful death is far off. And the possibility
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  Speaker 1: of treatment is right there. He may still be pressured
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  Speaker 1: to opt for death instead of, quote, being a burden
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  Speaker 1: on his family. And. The big question is, is there
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  Speaker 1: anything to protect men against this? Like, is there something,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is there some way to protect men? And
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  Speaker 1: why aren't men's lives as protected and men's end-of-life experiences
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  Speaker 1: as carefully considered as those of women? Because that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're looking at. So before we get into all of that...
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. And if I forgot any part of it, sorry, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: I am ad-libbing the entire thing. So here we go.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start. We've been talking about the recommendations that,
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  Speaker 1: let me go back to the top here so you
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  Speaker 1: can actually see, right, that the Equality and Human Rights
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  Speaker 1: Commission had made for the parliamentary briefing. For terminally ill adults.
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  Speaker 1: End of life bill. The house of lords second reading.
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  Speaker 1: The reason that we're looking at that one. Is because
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  Speaker 1: that's the most recent one. We had at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I believe there's a later version of this. That has
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  Speaker 1: come out. But we're going to look at this version.
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  Speaker 1: Because this is what we started with. So. Oh it
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  Speaker 1: looks like. Mike dropped out of the call. And is
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  Speaker 1: trying to call back. So it might just be me. Unless.
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  Speaker 1: I think he can't get back into this call. So
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  Speaker 1: for a minute. Well, I don't know. Brian I think
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  Speaker 1: if you hang up and try calling back it'll give
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  Speaker 1: him the ability to get back in I think that's
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  Speaker 1: about the only way to do it because when he
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  Speaker 1: tried to get back in it yeah okay hello oh
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  Speaker 1: we have a Richard hi Okay. Welcome to Technical Difficulties
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  Speaker 1: with the Badgers. Everything's got to be hard.
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  Speaker 2: The people that are close to me.
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  Speaker 1: We're live, Richard. We are live.
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  Speaker 2: I told you I'll stop.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no private information because you don't want everybody else
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  Speaker 1: to know your business. Sorry. It's okay. It is 718.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what happened with Mike. It's got to be
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  Speaker 1: something to his end. so all right so just to
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  Speaker 1: catch up to speed um i'm looking at some of
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  Speaker 1: the different articles in this i'm going to be going
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  Speaker 1: over you can sort of see in the chat uh
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  Speaker 1: i'm going to briefly go over some of them but
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  Speaker 1: there's two that we're going to focus on so bear
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  Speaker 1: with me everybody um because this is this might be
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a bumpy ride but.
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  Speaker 2: Um new texts will come out new texts will come.
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  Speaker 1: Out yeah yeah i i i know i know i'm
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  Speaker 1: going to stick with what we've been looking at just
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  Speaker 1: because this is uh what they're saying here is kind
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  Speaker 1: of included in, but glossed over in the new text.
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  Speaker 1: So I want the plainer version. Uh, and also like,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we started with and I want to
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  Speaker 1: finish with what we started with. But, um, so these
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  Speaker 1: are what they consider to be human rights considerations. Um,
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  Speaker 1: this commission for people who live outside the UK, uh,
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  Speaker 1: this is, this is like the equal rights commission in
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  Speaker 1: the U S and, and Various other countries have this.
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  Speaker 1: It's a governmental body that essentially their job is to
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  Speaker 1: protect against human rights violations. They assist with, like, if
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  Speaker 1: you have a complaint against another government department or agency
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  Speaker 1: that they've discriminated against you. Or I know in the U.S.
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  Speaker 1: they also... can go after employers for that um but
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  Speaker 1: uh so that's what this is in the uk the
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  Speaker 1: ones i wanted to look at here start with number
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  Speaker 1: 10 simply because it says something that i think men
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  Speaker 1: are already uh losing on in terms of you know
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  Speaker 1: how they get treated uh article three of of the
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  Speaker 1: uh I already forgot what this is, damn it. The
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  Speaker 1: Equality and Human Rights Commission. But it doesn't give the right...
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  Speaker 1: It's an international law. The ECHR is an international law
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  Speaker 1: that enumerates various human rights, if I remember right. Article
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  Speaker 1: 3 protects the right to freedom from torture and inhuman
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  Speaker 1: and degrading treatment And what it gives the government is
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  Speaker 1: a positive obligation to protect the right to freedom from
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  Speaker 1: torture and inhuman or degrading treatment by law and a
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  Speaker 1: negative obligation to not intentionally torture individuals or subject them
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  Speaker 1: to such treatment. And things like freedom from cruel and
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  Speaker 1: unusual punishment are supposed to be attached to that, right?
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  Speaker 1: But then most of the world that has this type
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  Speaker 1: of law permits genital cutting of boys during infancy. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm calling bullshit. And I guess you can understand why.
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  Speaker 1: I think the divorce courts, the way that they torture
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  Speaker 1: men are, you know, a violation of this. I think
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  Speaker 1: that the ability to falsely accuse and drag a man
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  Speaker 1: through the court when you're, you know, just looking for
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  Speaker 1: attention or lying for money or any other reason besides,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he actually did something to you. That's all torture.
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  Speaker 1: It's psychological torture to drag someone through the underbelly of
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  Speaker 1: the criminal court system when you know they did something wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And so do they. Then we are going to look
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  Speaker 1: at also 12. This one, this part that I have
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  Speaker 1: highlighted is really the relevant part. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: go through the whole thing. But it protects the right
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  Speaker 1: to respect for private and family life, including bodily autonomy, self-determination,
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  Speaker 1: patient confidentiality, and an individual's freedom to make their own
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  Speaker 1: decisions about seeking, consenting, or refusing medical treatment, as well
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  Speaker 1: as decisions about by what means and when their life
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  Speaker 1: will end. And again, there's already a lack of protection
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  Speaker 1: for men in this area.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, can you hear me?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we can hear you. Okay, good.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, carry on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, carry on.
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  Speaker 1: So then before we get to the meat of this,
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  Speaker 1: we're also going to read a little bit of number 21.
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  Speaker 1: The bill is focused on assisted dying for adults who
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  Speaker 1: are terminally ill, and it says, Clause 2 states that
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  Speaker 1: for the purpose of the act, a person is terminally
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  Speaker 1: ill if... they have an inevitably progressive illness or disease
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  Speaker 1: which cannot be reversed by treatment, and the person's death
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  Speaker 1: in consequence of that illness or disease can reasonably be
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  Speaker 1: expected within six months. We note the great difficulty of
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  Speaker 1: accurately determining how long someone with a terminal illness will live.
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  Speaker 1: Clause 2 in parentheses 3 provides that a person may
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  Speaker 1: still be considered terminally ill if they receive treatment that
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  Speaker 1: temporarily receives their symptoms. We note that the terms such
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  Speaker 1: as treatment and temporarily are undefined. All right. And they've
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  Speaker 1: noted that that's a problem. Here's why I see this
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  Speaker 1: as a problem. You look at, again, depression. And let's
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  Speaker 1: say a guy is depressed, not because he has a
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  Speaker 1: chemical imbalance. but because he is somebody who does not
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  Speaker 1: have and is not going to have romantic prospects. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say he knows this. He has figured out that it
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely unchangeable for him. So is it considered, is
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  Speaker 1: his depression considered a terminal illness because the circumstances causing
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  Speaker 1: it are not going to change? Now, if we had
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  Speaker 1: not read and listened to everything that we've gone over
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  Speaker 1: in the past two months with regard to this kind
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  Speaker 1: of bill, the misinterpretations that have taken place and misuse
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  Speaker 1: that has taken place in other countries, and also the
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  Speaker 1: way that men are treated, When they try to talk
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  Speaker 1: about their problems. Like what we saw with Shadowclaw's post.
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  Speaker 1: One might think I was being facetious here. But in
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  Speaker 1: light of all of that. I don't think I am.
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  Speaker 1: And so when we look at this. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to think about the fact that. What we've made note of.
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  Speaker 1: What we have demonstrated. Is. There is a predisposition to
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  Speaker 1: treat male patients who have valid complaints that are hard
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  Speaker 1: for the medical community to address as inconveniences. And there
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  Speaker 1: is a whole society-wide tendency to treat men who have
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  Speaker 1: complaints about anything as inconveniences at least or as an
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  Speaker 1: attack at best. At most. At worst I guess. So.
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  Speaker 1: Knowing that. This is the meat of the issue. The
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  Speaker 1: EIA highlights a range of potential. Equality impacts of the bill.
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  Speaker 1: And it goes on to cite here. Disabled people. Who
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  Speaker 1: may face barriers. In accessing assisted dying services.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: Some people may need it. And not be able to
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  Speaker 1: get it. or who may find it difficult to understand
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  Speaker 1: related information. Now, if you have that situation, if they
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  Speaker 1: have difficulty understanding related information, access isn't the only problem.
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  Speaker 1: Being convinced to do something that isn't what you thought
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  Speaker 1: you were being convinced to do is another issue. And
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  Speaker 1: we saw that with the lady that had cancer but
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  Speaker 1: wasn't ready to die. And Canada... executed her anyway then
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  Speaker 1: it goes on here and this is really my big
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  Speaker 1: objection here there we go it notes that women and
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  Speaker 1: disabled people are more likely than men and non-disabled people
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  Speaker 1: to be victims of domestic abuse which can include coercive
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  Speaker 1: behavior now in the past We have discussed this at length.
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  Speaker 1: Women are not more likely to be victims of domestic abuse.
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  Speaker 1: Men are. Women are more likely to be perpetrators, especially
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to coercive control. And we have looked
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  Speaker 1: at not just research on who does coercive control more,
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  Speaker 1: but research overall on who perpetrates more. Women are perpetrators
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  Speaker 1: 70% of the time The study that found that kind
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  Speaker 1: of buried the bit about them being perpetrators 70% of
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  Speaker 1: the time in two-way violence. But when you look at
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  Speaker 1: their numbers, that's the case. 70% of incidents are female perpetrated,
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  Speaker 1: even in two-way domestic violence. And 70% of one-way domestic
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  Speaker 1: violence is also female perpetrated. So overall, whether it's two-way
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  Speaker 1: or one-way, 70% is female perpetrated. And yet they here
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  Speaker 1: have women and disabled people are more likely than men
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  Speaker 1: and non-disabled people to be victims of domestic abuse, which
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  Speaker 1: can include coercive behavior. And the worst part of that is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's more than one type of coercive behavior
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  Speaker 1: that we could be looking at, right? Um, So let's
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  Speaker 1: say you're a guy that has worked your whole life.
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  Speaker 1: You're retired. You have your first heart attack. And maybe
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  Speaker 1: you have your first heart attack before you retire. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of men do. And you become less able than
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  Speaker 1: you were. And you're limited in what work you can do.
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  Speaker 1: You're limited in what fun you can have. And maybe
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  Speaker 1: your income drops. Maybe you go down from full-time to part-time.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe you retire disabled. And then you take a
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  Speaker 1: part-time job doing something less lucrative that's less demanding. And
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  Speaker 1: suddenly the rest of your family is living on a
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  Speaker 1: budget that they didn't have to live on before. And
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  Speaker 1: why do I say first heart attack? Because a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times now... That's what it is. Many people survive
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  Speaker 1: their first heart attack and go on to have another
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  Speaker 1: and another. My dad had four before he passed away.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things we have in common is probably
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  Speaker 1: not the best thing to have in common with the
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  Speaker 1: rest of your family is wanting to do everything. Work-wise,
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  Speaker 1: gotta try this, gotta try that. I can remember points
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  Speaker 1: in my life during which dad had four income streams
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  Speaker 1: that were jobs. He had four jobs. Not all of
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  Speaker 1: them were full-time, obviously, but they were all different things
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  Speaker 1: that he did, that he got paid to do, that
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  Speaker 1: because he was hired to do them and they weren't
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  Speaker 1: just hobbies, he had to be there. They had some
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  Speaker 1: accountability attached to them. And when you have that many
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  Speaker 1: things that have accountability attached You don't spend as much
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  Speaker 1: time taking care of yourself. Even having a wife take
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  Speaker 1: care of you, there's some self-care that only you can do.
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  Speaker 1: Only you can sleep for yourself. Someone else can't take
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  Speaker 1: your naps for you. Someone else can't go to bed
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  Speaker 1: and go to sleep for you. Only you can do that.
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  Speaker 1: Only you can decide what you're going to eat. Lots
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  Speaker 1: of people can prepare food for you. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I did when my parents were in the hospital
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  Speaker 1: during the COVID crisis, my dad ate things that were
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  Speaker 1: not healthy for him. Both of us did the weight
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  Speaker 1: gaining thing where, you know, you between lack of exercise
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  Speaker 1: and lack of sleep and not eating right, you get heavy.
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  Speaker 1: And then both of us have done the weight loss thing.
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  Speaker 1: I just dropped four inches in my pants size. And
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  Speaker 1: that's very dangerous if you don't keep it that way.
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  Speaker 1: Like if I continue the way my dad did, I
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  Speaker 1: could be that person having four heart attacks. But it's
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  Speaker 1: more likely to happen if I act like a man
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  Speaker 1: than it is if I act like a woman. Men
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  Speaker 1: don't get the option for self-care. They get told when
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  Speaker 1: they try to take time for themselves, when they try
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  Speaker 1: to slow down a little bit and watch their health
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  Speaker 1: and eat better, that they're taken away from someone else,
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  Speaker 1: taking away someone else's ability to rest, someone else's time off,
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  Speaker 1: someone else's choice to eat right. Where, in my case,
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  Speaker 1: I get encouraged by everybody I know, keep it up,
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  Speaker 1: you're doing a good job, this is what you should
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  Speaker 1: be doing for yourself. We should be doing the same
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  Speaker 1: thing for men. It's not wrong for people to encourage me.
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  Speaker 1: It's wrong for people to criticize men for doing what's
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  Speaker 1: right for their health. So this idea, women and disabled
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  Speaker 1: people are more likely than men or non-disabled people to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: be victims of domestic abuse. Bullshit. Let's talk about all
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the times that women financially abuse men. use coercive control
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to keep a man from retiring. My sixth grade teacher
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: almost died from his second or third heart attack the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: year I was in the sixth grade. It's the same
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: year I almost died from a mosquito bite. But this
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: guy was still working because his wife had committed a crime.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: And if he didn't continue to pay off her debt,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: she would go to jail. So he didn't retire when
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: he should have. That's coercive control. You have to keep
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: working or this terrible thing will happen to me and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: it'll be your fault. Even though I put myself in
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that situation. He didn't steal. She did. He didn't get
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: in trouble. She did. He didn't have the debt. She did.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: but he couldn't let her go to jail. And so
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: he worked until he was almost dead. And I've known
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: lots of guys that have worked longer than they should
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: have because their wife spent, you know, money went through
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: her like water through a sieve. I've known men who
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: have committed, or not committed bankruptcy, filed bankruptcy. more than
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: once because of the wife's spending. If they tell her no,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: we're told that's economic abuse. But if she drives him
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: into debt that is higher than the amount he makes
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: in a year, that is not considered economic abuse. Even though,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: in his instance, it can be considered abuse even if
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: He's not denying her any of her needs. While in
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: her instance, she could be denying him the ability to
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: take basic care of himself by making it so that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: he has to have two or three jobs or making
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: it so that he can't retire when he's sick and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: disabled and needs to retire. And it's not considered abuse.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: So when we hear women and disabled people are more
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: likely than men or non-disabled people to be victims of abuse, there's,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of things that are going on there.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: The first one is it's a bald face lie. The
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: second thing is they're kind of grouping things together here,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: women and disabled people. Does it make it sound like
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: there are no disabled men?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: That's what they're trying to frame it as.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: That's what people in the UK do when they talk
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: about disability cuts. They leave out the men that are
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: disabled as well.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So they make it sound like.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Or the idea that women are synonymous with being disabled.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: And that's not me saying that. That's someone else implying that.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, though, if you talk to enough women on
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: social media, you might get that impression anyway.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Because a lot of so-called disability activists are women.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. Unfortunately. Women have more time to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: be activists. In general, women have more time to be activists.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: More women work part-time among the working force than men.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: More women do jobs that they could quit if they
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: wanted to than men. And more women don't work than men.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: There was a joke on Everybody Hates Chris. Where the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: mom would quit her job. And she would say my
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: husband has two jobs. So every time she would quit
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: her job. She would be like my man has two jobs.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I don't need this. Any inconvenience. That was like the
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: one joke off the show.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that actually doesn't surprise me. Because I've heard
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that from a lot of women. Um, my job, like I,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I'm a direct support professional for people with intellectual disabilities, um, for,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: for anybody listening that hasn't been, you know, listening in
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the past. Um, most of the people in my workforce
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: at my level, um, are women. It's not a job
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that you do if you're in it for the money.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: You can, you know, be in it for the money
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: if you like overtime, um, or if you want to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Manage a home or get up into upper management. But
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: if you're looking to do something for the money, you
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: don't do what I do, which is direct care. They
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: give us this fancy title, direct support professional. I like
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the UK title better. They just say carer. And that
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: pretty much describes the job. It's almost like being a
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: family member.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: It's a carer or a PA.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: PA. I wonder what PA stands for.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Personal, personal assistant.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Personal assistant. Okay. Personal assistant sounds more like something you
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: do for a boss, which, um, I actually kind of
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: like that just because it, it makes the clients that
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: we take care of sound like the boss and it's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: all about them. So they should be the boss for
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the most part.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Technically we are the boss, but it doesn't work. It
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't work out in that, in practice. Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: In practice, there are times when, uh, in a situation,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: especially if the disability is profound and the individual has
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of difficulty with decision-making, um, that's, it's, you're
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: in more of a, an advisory capacity, like way more
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: of an advisory capacity than just someone who is asked
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to do things and goes and does them. Uh, so yeah, it's,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: it's almost being like being on, on the board, uh,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: instead of being an assistant. But in those cases, that's
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: when a situation like this would really be dangerous because
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: if you had somebody in a condition where their illness
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: is terminal and there's questions about whether or not they're
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: going to make it, how long it's going to take,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: what they're going to experience during their end of life.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: And they really can't understand what's going on around them.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: You may have somebody making decisions for them that is
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: contrary to what they would ask for or choose for
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: themselves if they did understand. And when you look at
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the and in particular the intellectual disabilities, um, community, there,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: there seems to be a larger percentage who are male
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: than female, uh, kind of similar to, if you look
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: at the limited number of people in the world who
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: are geniuses, uh, there seems to be a larger number
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: who are male than female at that end as well. Uh,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and of course this, this will piss off the feminists, but, um,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: There's a bell curve for that. And when that gets
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: shown on social media, it seems like almost every conversation,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the way the chart is, it shows the number of
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: people with low IQ at the left side of the chart,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: close to the zero end on the x-axis, and the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: number of people with high IQ on the far right
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of the chart. And then in the center is the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: number of people with average IQ. And that's where the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: female curve jumps above the male curve. And women inevitably
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: look at that and see it as the top of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the curve being high IQ and the bottom of the
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: curve being low IQ. And they say that the chart
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: says women have higher IQ than men. And then they'll
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: argue the point. And even when you explain to them
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: what the numbers are and where they are on the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: chart and what that means, they just continue to double down.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Which is why, like I said, it would be easy
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: to see being female as synonymous with disabled sometimes. But
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: this is the part that I really wanted to focus
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: on this and In the next one, it says, in
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: our view, to provide effective scrutiny, peers would benefit from
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: more detailed information than is currently available about the potential
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: impacts of the bill on people with different protected characteristics.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: So they're wanting to look at age, pregnancy and maternity,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: religion or belief, race and disability, or being female. The
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: only thing left out is men. They're talking about equity
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: in dying. Not equality. Equity. They're talking about taking a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: perceived box away from men and putting it under whoever
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: is supposed to be on the left side of the image.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: You know the meme I'm talking about with the three boxes.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And the three people trying to illegally watch a game
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: everybody else paid to get into. And they have two
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: boxes under one person, one box under the middle person,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and the third person on the left can't see because
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: they're too short and there's no box under their feet.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And they say that's equality, but equity is taking a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: box away from the person with two and giving it
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to the person with only one. Well, that's seeing resources
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: as something that need to be redistributed. But the reality is,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: if you're from the victim identity end of the political scale,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: where you don't base your politics on solid information, what
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the research shows, what history shows, what can be documented,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and proved with physical evidence. Instead, you base it on
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: a narrative that certain groups of people have been victimized,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: either are currently being victimized or historically have been victimized,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and therefore they have inequality based on that some point
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: in time victimization as a group. You can't recognize the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: fact that maybe not being part of that group doesn't
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: mean somebody has an extra box.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, being tall doesn't have all that much to do
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: with evolution. It has far more to do with diet.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, to some degree, obviously, if two tall people
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: have an offspring, that offspring is going to be quite tall,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: but not if they don't sufficiently feed them. This is
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: something we try to have to explain to people. There's
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: a reason that tall people are overrepresented in CEOs and
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: in high positions of authority. It's not because tall people
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: are privileged. It's because there is a correlation between.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: People who are well fed enough to become tall in
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: the first place and as such those.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: People become persons of high authority.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: We're not discriminating against short people there is a correlation
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: between the well fed and the tall And I'm not
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: just saying this because I'm quite tall. And yes, I
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: am quite tall. And that's not to say that tall
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: people are privileged. There are many ways in which we're not.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: When we go to school and we are forced to
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: live our lives among other children or teenagers... Yeah, they overcompensate.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: If you're tall, then everyone's like, fuck you. I have
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: to push back against you because otherwise you might, you know,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: climb the social ladder. And yes, I guess I'm speaking
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: from personal experience, and maybe bitter personal experience.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: But yes.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: People....
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Bully tall people um for that reason because.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Um tall people look like they might climb the social
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: ladder just by being tall and so everyone else is
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: like fuck you I'm gonna I'm gonna.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Throw all of these um bullying tactics on you. Because....
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know where I'm going with this. I don't
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: know where I'm going with this. But yeah.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: For any advantage that tall people have, it is pushed
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: back against by normal people.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: And by small people. Let's go ahead and say that.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: And by average people.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Because....
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I don't want to go on this. I don't want
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: to go on this.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: You're saying tall people are always challenged.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Tall people seem to have a natural advantage and people
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: of average height notice that and they go, right, well,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: we have to push back on.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Your natural advantage. And they do throughout school.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Maybe there's an analogy between men and women because men
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: are generally taller than women men are generally bigger than
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: women and generally stronger than women and so women are
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: like how dare you be taller and stronger than we
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: are we're going to have to we're going to have to.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Push back on your privilege or something and yeah um.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: I think I've discovered something that's not just a feminist thing,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: but a resentful thing among not just.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: People of average height, but people of lower than average height.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: If they notice that you have a genetic advantage, and
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: us tall people do have a genetic advantage, especially men,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: because women very obviously prefer taller men.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Well, until you get into things like Marfan syndrome, and
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: then there's less of an advantage, but go ahead.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: And so it's like crabs in a bucket.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: The men of average height, and especially the men of
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: lower than average height, will do everything they can to
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: bully the taller guys, just in case they can. Just
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: in case they can drag them further into the bottom
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: of the bucket. And yeah, there's, yeah, I guess this
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: is just a tall person with tall privilege making up
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: shit about how, you know, actually we're victims, but yeah, no,
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: we're not. Obviously there's, you know, there is an advantage
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: to being tall, but I'm just saying that everyone notices that,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: that there is an advantage to being tall. And, uh,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Like I said, the crabs in the bucket will drag
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: you down. As in when they notice that you're tall.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: And incredibly attractive, like I am. I'm joking.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm joking. But to some degree, I'm kind of not.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Well, and when it comes down to it, everybody always
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: notices what they see as advantages other people have. And
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: there's two ways to respond to noticing other people's advantage.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: You can not be resentful of it, not let it
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: affect you that way, and focus on what advantages you
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: have or what advantages you can create for yourself. Or
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you can wallow in it and be upset and focus
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: solely on that and let it be the... chain around
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: your ankle that keeps you from progressing because you're so
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: hung up on someone else's perceived advantage that you just
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: can't do anything for yourself. And I think that's pretty
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: much the underlying basis of all victim identity politics, whether
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it's people who focus on racism, people who focus on sexism,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: where they don't really give up on the idea of
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: sexism even in the face of equality. People who focus
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: on inequality of income. The main focus really should be
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: when you walk into a court, does the court look
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: at the evidence that you present or does the court
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: decide Some of that evidence is irrelevant because you're black
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: or because you're white or because you're male or because
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you're female, because you're tall, because you're short, because you're rich,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: because you're poor. Those are things that shouldn't matter in court.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Only the evidence should matter. Only the law should matter.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: And the law shouldn't differentiate on those characteristics. And unfortunately...
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Because feminists have decided. That there is an ism. A sexism.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: That can be. Called upon. To justify discrimination. The law.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Factors in being. Male or female. And this. Recommendation. Here. Women.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Here it is. Women and disabled people. are more likely
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: to be victims of domestic abuse, which can include coercive behavior,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: factors in this idea of sex and sex discrimination where
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: it doesn't belong. The law should require vigilance against coercive
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: behavior regardless of sex, regardless of disability. regardless of any
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: background information. If it looks like somebody is being pressured
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: by their family to end their life when they're not
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: ready to die, it shouldn't matter what sex they are.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't matter how old or young they are. It
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: shouldn't matter what religion they are. It shouldn't matter whether
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: they've got tons of cash or they're dirt poor. It
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: shouldn't matter if their family's pressuring them. Their response should
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: be the same from the medical community. Whether they're tall, short, gay, straight, beautiful, ugly,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: it shouldn't matter. The answer should be no. No, we're
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: not going to kill this person for your convenience. But
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: right now, the recommendation that we're looking at is that
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: consideration should only be determined and acted upon for women
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: and disabled people, stated like women and children, as though
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: it's one word.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Bullshit. There's more men than there are women. Yep. I'm
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: seeing the same thing. In the States, there's more men.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: With intellectual disabilities, men with a combination of disabilities where
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: there's intellectual and physical or there's physical and psychological, you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and so on, like genetic disabilities, birth injuries, it seems
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: to happen more to males. And I know that there's
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: at least one factor is that some disabilities are sex
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: linked that are genetic. that they live on the X chromosome.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: And so if you only get one X chromosome and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: your mother is the one that carries this disability, then
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: you're more likely, you know, you're going to, you don't
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: have the other X chromosome from your dad because you
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: get a Y. So you're going to have the disability.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: That explains the thyroid syndrome that I have.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And then many other disabilities, actually. A lot of things
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: that are genetic. And women like to say that it's
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: because men are defective, but the truth is, it's actually
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: carried more often on the female gene when it's sex-linked.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: We do have some super chats that I don't want
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: to miss. They're, like, going up there, so... I think
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: this is Senior Sticks. I have it too narrow there.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Let me fix that so I can see who this
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: is from. And when I widen it, it goes up there.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Senior Sticks said, tall privileges the feminists will gather. That
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: was $ 2 super chat. Mr. Noob said, for $ 2 said,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: or trying to buy a car or airplane seat. Yeah,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I will chime in on that one because I'm one
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: of those long-legged freaks. Um, my legs go all the
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: way up and then some. And, uh, so when I,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: when I sit down, I actually look less tall than
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: other people, my height, because I have high hips. Um,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know how else I have long legs. When
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I stand up, my hips are higher than other people,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: my height. So when I, I, um, book for a plane,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I don't look like I'm going to need leg room.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: But I need leg room. And it's a difficult prospect.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I got to show off
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: when I was a teenager because I could hurdle the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: boys' hurdles, not just the girls' hurdles. So there. Tall privilege.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Dark Kikimora gave us $ 25. Oh, at 1.21 a.m. I
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: don't know how I missed this before the show. Political
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: question for Doc. Even though he says he doesn't understand politics,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: how come the only people not appearing on the Epstein
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: list are the people who were saying three years ago, quote,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: in his basement. I would not have cared, end quote,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: question mark.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Well, that wasn't me. That was Neil's grass Tyson.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. but they're the only people not
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: appearing on the Epstein list. Well, hell, now that I've
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: actually seen some of what's on the Epstein list, we
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: need a new list. We need a list of the
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: people that actually did things and not just all of
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the people that Epstein mentioned in his letters and said
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: he didn't like. I don't like that person is not
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: an indictment. when the person saying it is a child molester.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I hope people understand that. I don't like that person
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: from a child molester is a compliment. If a child
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: molester hates you, you're doing something right. Probably. Just saying.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: And all of our governments appear to be run by
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: people who have been blacked out on the Epstein list.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: It's so weird, wasn't it, that these lefties never gave
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: a shit about who was on the Epstein list until
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Trump actually released it, despite releasing.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: It with a great deal of blackout retractions.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: And, yeah, it's... Yeah, for years we were saying released
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: the Epstein list and then they did with a great
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: deal of retractions and now they're saying well Trump is
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: defending the people on the Epstein list well Biden didn't
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: release the list Obama didn't release the list Bush and
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Clinton and the other Bush didn't release the Epstein list
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: and yet you all are out here going well even
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: though Trump did release the Epstein list, he's the pedo defender.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: How does that make any sense?
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Make it make sense. That's the one I hear all
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: the time. Make it make sense. So far, nobody can.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: We have.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, go ahead.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, my favorite.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: House.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: House way.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: How? It's like....
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: How Sway How?
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there used to be, like, a radio host
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: called Sway. And every, like, person that used to come
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: on there asked him, How? Well, Kanye West said, How
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Sway How? And it became a meme.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't heard that one. I miss some of
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the memes. I actually miss a lot of the memes.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Especially now.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Especially if you're not on Black Twitter. Yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, I'm definitely not very often on black Twitter.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: American Rambler 0101 says, my sister blames me for having
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Marfan syndrome.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Does she know that, like, you don't get to pick
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: your genes before you jump into your body? In, you know,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: utero and all that? Like, What does she think happens?
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: You sit there with a row of bodies on hangers
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: up in purgatory or wherever you start out, and you say, oh,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I want to pick the one with all these genetic disabilities. Sorry,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: but that's just... Are you sure your sister's okay up there?
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but she might be missing
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: a few cards. If she thinks that it's your fault
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that you inherited a genetic disability that you couldn't control.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I'm really trying to wrap my head around.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: This.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: They're not teaching something in school if people blame somebody
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: for having a genetic disability. Or a birth injury. Even
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: a birth injury. To explain the difference, a genetic disability
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: is in your DNA. Something is turned on or off
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: that causes the problem or something is mutated. I have
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: something called the MTHFR mutation. There are different versions of it.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I have two of them because I got really lucky.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: And it's just a change in a gene. It's a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: change in part of your DNA sequence. But a birth
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: injury can happen because maybe the mom was in a
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: car accident and there was an impact that caused a
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: shock to the system or something deprived the baby of oxygen.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I have a friend whose kid was lucky to not
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: have a birth injury. His umbilical cord tied itself in
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: a knot. And I've seen other cases with similar circumstances.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: come out with terrible outcomes. A birth injury could occur. Well,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: one of the worst birth injuries ever occurred because of
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: damage done by a medication that was given to women
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: off-label for morning sickness. So basically for their comfort. And
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the drug was called thalidomide. This happened before there was
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: a Food and Drug Administration and the Food and Drug
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Administration was supposed to stop things like this from happening.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: But since then, there have been numerous medications that the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: FDA has approved that have been recalled for things like
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: causing heart attacks and strokes and stuff like that. So
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: they still let stuff get through. But thalidomide caused babies
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: to be born with severe deformities that could affect their limbs.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: They might be born with a stump instead of an arm,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: but then they would have a little tiny hand at
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the end, or they only had three lobes instead of
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: four in their heart where they might be missing organs altogether.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Some of the babies didn't make it. Some of them
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: actually are, I think there are still some that are
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: still alive. And it was a terrible thing for the babies.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: And their families then had to figure out how are
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: we going to take care of this child that has
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: been so severely harmed by this drug. So that's a
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: birth injury. Um, but in any case, and that, that
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: seems to be indiscriminate. It'll happen regardless of male, female.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make a difference, which race, none of that.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: The circumstances are what caused that. Um, But yeah, this
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: idea that specifically disabilities are a female thing, this implication,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and that being able-bodied, non-disabled is a male thing, that's bullshit.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And then the idea that only victims of domestic abuse
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: might be coerced. In out West, there's a couple of
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: different states that have... assisted suicide legislation in the u.s
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: and i cannot remember whether it was oregon or another
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: state um but there have been a couple of cases
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: that have made the news where an individual has a
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: type of cancer that is treatable but has a high
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: risk of death at the the that they got their diagnosis,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the stage at which they got their diagnosis, where the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: insurance company denied their treatment and then shortly thereafter sent
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: them notification that assisted dying was covered. So it's going
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: to be expensive for you to pay for this treatment
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: because you can't get your insurance company to pay for it.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: You can't get any reimbursement. The insurance company won't pay
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: up front. You're paying it all out of pocket. But
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: we'll cover your choice to kill yourself. Some people would
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: deny that that's coercion. But the company is basically telling
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you that it's not worth the money to stop you
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: from dying. And in fact, they'll pay to kill you.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: And you're going to either die in pain or go
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: bankrupt if you try to live that sounds like coercion
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: to me so people benefiting from more detailed information than
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: is currently available um Oh, we have another. Meredith G.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: gave us $ 5 and said, HBR talk 418, honey for
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: the badgers. I don't know if I'm oversimplifying the question,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: but why would you offer a patient made for a
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: patient that would even be offered palliative care? So palliative
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: care is, for the listeners that don't know, palliative care
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: is what they give if you are dying. Let's say,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: You've gotten to a point in your life where the
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: only thing keeping you alive is the chemo. Like my
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: friend Gloria that had lung cancer that decided she was
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: done after 20 years of chemo. Palliative care is when
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: they come in and help you with your bathing, help
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: you with any changes of clothes. They help you eat.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: You get pain medicine if you're in pain. You get
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: anti-nausea medicine if you're nauseous. And, you know, basically anything
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: that they can do to make sure that you're comfortable
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: or to reduce how uncomfortable you're going to be while
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: you're dying. But they don't do any medical treatment that
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: will prevent your death. So if you start to die,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: they don't do CPR. They don't shock you. They don't
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: intubate you. They don't do any of that. No extraordinary measures, nothing.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Usually a person in palliative care has a DNR, do
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: not resuscitate request, so that they don't have to go
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: through that trauma when they're going to die anyway. So
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: MAID is offered for a patient, not instead of palliative care.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: You might receive palliative care for anywhere from a few
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: days to several months, depending on what you, what you have. Sometimes, um,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: people linger. Sometimes an illness can cause somebody to be
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: in need of that type of care for a long time.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: But if somebody is receiving that type of care, um,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: where if they're in pain, they get pain medicine. If
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: they're hungry, they get food, you know, and so on. Um,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: It doesn't preclude picking a date and having medically administered
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: poison that will kill you. If you know that if
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: you go too far past that date, your pain is
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: going to ramp up so bad that you can't treat
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: it with medications anymore, or you're going to choke to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: death and it's going to be an extended and torturous experience,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: or you're going to drown in your own Fluids. And
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: it's going to be an extended. And torturous experience. So
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: that's why. Somebody might be. It's not an oversimplification. It's just.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: If you haven't worked with people. Who are dying. It's
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: not something that. You really would.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Expect.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: To understand.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Yep, Oregon. So, oikophobic misanthrope. August 6, 2008. The news
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: from Barbara Wagner's doctor was bad. The rejection letter from
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: her insurance company was crushing. The 64-year-old Oregon woman whose
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: lung cancer had been in remission learned the disease had
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: returned and would likely kill her. Her last hope was
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: a $ 4, 000 a month drug that her doctor prescribed to her,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: but the insurance company refused to pay. What the Oregon
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Health Plan did agree to cover, however, were drugs for
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: a physician-assisted death. Those drugs would cost about $ 50. So essentially,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: they decided it was cheaper to just kill her. And
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: that's one case. There have been others. And again, when
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: they start looking at this idea of discrimination, and then
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: they start relating it to things like intimate partner violence
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and isms and phobias and victim identity politics. Let me
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: give you an example that I wrote about in the past, okay?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: California came up with a, no, let's see if this
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: did what I think it.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Did, yeah.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: There we go. It came up with a law, a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: mandatory arrest policy. If you, uh, call the police to a, uh,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: domestic violence dispute of some sort, right. Um, they have
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: to arrest somebody in the dispute, no matter what.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Um, so what I was looking at in this article
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: was the entire history of, uh, domestic violence law and policy.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: And I was sort of comparing it to the Johnny
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Depp case at that time. And, you know, I pointed
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: out here. Violence Against Women Act was sexist. It redirected
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: from the Family Violence Prevention and Services Act to a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: from a genderless. um, admonition that, you know, if violence
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: is in the family, it's still violence. Uh, it's still
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: illegal and somebody still needs to be arrested and put
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: through a perpetrator program. So they understand not to do that,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: you know, that they understand how to, um, how to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: deal with conflict without engaging in violence. Uh, and, uh,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: So it directed law enforcement to not ignore violence just
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: because it was in the home. That would result in
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: the protection of the supposedly mostly female population, supposedly mostly
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: female because we know it's the opposite, without discriminating against
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: the supposedly few victims who are male. But instead they
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: went for VAWA, which directs all systems involved. that violence
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: is mostly male-perpetrated and mostly female-experienced, and they should filter
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: everything they witness and every action they take through that idea.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: So this report that came out after California created their
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: mandatory arrest policy, this came out examining a timeframe between
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: 1987 and 2000. after their enhanced arrest policies increased the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: law enforcement response to intimate partner violence, the number of
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: arrests of men for IPV went up about 37%, but
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: the number of women arrested went up 446%. When they
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: followed the guidelines to the letter, the number of women
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: arrested went up more than 10 times the percentage that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: the number of men arrested went up. Convictions for an
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: offense following a domestic violence-related arrest grew by 131% for males,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: but 1,207% for females. So again, almost 10 times the
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: percentage increase. And post-domestic violence arrest incarceration rates increased 156%
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: for males, but 1,683% for females, right?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: So again, about.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: 10 times the percentage of increase. So did feminists figure
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: out from this? Did officials figure out from this? Did
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: law enforcement? Did the public figure out from this that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: there was more female perpetrated domestic violence than they thought?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: And that perhaps men are more vulnerable to domestic violence,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: to intimate partner abuse? than they thought?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: No, they decided it was system backlash.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Didn't Aaron Pritchett do a study on this in the 70s?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she did a study, but I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: know that she observed differences in behavior among the women
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: in her women's shelters, that about half of them were
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: just as violent as the men that they had left
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: and may have initiated And she also noted that many
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: of the men in the men's shelter that she tried
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: to maintain were fleeing from women who were physically violent,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: not just economically abusive or coercive. They weren't just henpecked.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: They were beaten. Some of them were burned. Men experience
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: being poisoned. They experience being hit with heavy objects, having
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: things thrown at them, having sharp objects wielded against them,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: having their children used against them. And one method that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: women use is to attack when a man is sleeping
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: with things like boiling water or hot curling irons and
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: stuff like that.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Or iron.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, or an iron. I always forget about an iron
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: because I do not iron anything. I know we have
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: an iron somewhere in the house. I just have never
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: touched it with my hands. Like, I just don't. It's
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: a laziness. I won't even buy clothes that have to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: be ironed. But it used to be pretty standard. And
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: it used to be a thing that every woman knew
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: where the iron was. And those suckers can get pretty
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: hot Especially on the higher settings, like you different settings
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: for different fabrics and some of them steam because we
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: had one when I was a kid that did that. So, again,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: with the hot water, a woman can be just as
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: dangerous physically as a man. She just picks her circumstances.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: And I think I said this. I know I said
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: this on the news show before. I don't know if
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I've said it here. But if you look at the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: statistics on homicide and you just start at birth and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: increase age from birth and just look at who is
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: being killed at what age, the younger and more helpless
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: or the more elderly, not like in the middle older,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: but past retirement. And helpless. An individual is. The more
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: likely they are to be murdered. By a female perpetrator.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Instead of a male perpetrator. And women are the majority
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: of perpetrators. At both ends. During the most helpless times.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Of a healthy person's life. It is only. When an individual.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Is old enough. And developed enough. And still healthy. young
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: enough and not too disabled to defend themselves, that men
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: are the majority. Outside of that range, women are the
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: majority of perpetrators of homicide. And the reason that we
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: don't recognize that often is because it goes by other names.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Elder abuse and filicide, right? So, since it's not referred
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: to as homicide, the homicide statistics are skewed very heavily
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: toward men. But, yeah. When you look at this, what
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: they did, they decided it was a system backlash. Right?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: They decided that even though, this is more, during that
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: same time, the state's intimate partner homicide victimization rates for
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: female victims dropped 49%, but for male victims, the rates
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: dropped 61%. So it definitely affected killers. The arrests, the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: increase in arrests affected killers. At the same time, these
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: women insisted that it was just because there weren't enough shelters.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: But by the 70s, shelters increased a lot for women
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: because they can get funding very easily.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Right, but not so much for men.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: What did they come up with? Let's see if I
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: can get to it. We're looking at more studies here.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: I do remember a documentary that Karen was in when
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: she was talking about the shelters. And just to spike Karen,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: the feminist looked up one male shelter in Canada.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: One male shelter definitely outweighs an entire nation of shelters.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: So their response was primary aggressor policies. And I'm going
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: to look here for where I wrote. This was a
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: long article, guys. Sorry about this.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: I think we're used to long articles by now.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: No, it didn't give me It's been a while since
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: I actually wrote this too. This is like from back
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: during the trial.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: What I referred to in this was A policy that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: was created to essentially, I think this is a predominant aggressor,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: not primary aggressor. There we go. Okay. Beginning in 2001,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: application kits for funding under the Violence Against Women Act
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: asserted that dual arrests trivialize the seriousness of domestic violence
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: and potentially increase danger to victims. So in other words,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: if you arrest both people, the woman is in danger,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: but the man isn't. That's what they're trying to really say.
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  Speaker 1: Grant recipients, so anybody, any police department that was trying
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: to get a VAWA grant to be better prepared to
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: handle domestic violence in their community had to have something
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: called a predominant aggressor concept in their policy. These are
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: different criteria than laid out in Black's legal dictionary to
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: determine who police should treat as a predominant aggressor. These
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: are based on some things that are fairly arbitrary. Things
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: like prior complaints, right? So I think I've told you
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: a billion times now, to exaggerate a little bit, about
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: the seven years in hell story. And for those that
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: haven't heard of it, the thing that actually got me
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: involved with the men's rights community was a friend of
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: mine went through seven years of being dragged through the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: bowels of the family and criminal court systems by his ex-wife,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: who was trying to get custody of their daughters. after
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: he got protective custody when she allowed her second husband
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: with whom she was in a two-way domestic violence relationship
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: where she was probably the predominant aggressor she let him
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: beat that child black and blue And so the father
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: got protective custody and the mother began falsely accusing him
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: of abuse. And she started out trying to say he
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: was a Satanist and she escalated because it's not illegal
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: to be a Satanist. She escalated from there to claiming
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: that he had beaten her, getting restraining orders against him
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: and then falsely accusing him of violating them when he
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: had not. and even at one point falsely accused him
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: of rape. And at one point, she got her restraining
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: order by walking into the courthouse and telling the clerk
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: of courts that she had ample reason to fear abuse
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: by this man because she had accused him a whole
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: bunch of other times. So when it says things like
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: prior complaints, a woman could accuse her husband falsely Over
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: and over and over again. And then attack him. And
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: then call the police. And since there was an incident.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Because she had made. Dozens of prior. Complaints against him.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: He would be arrested. Right. Or a history. Of domestic violence.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Between the parties. So if she hits him all the time.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: And then calls to complain. That he's abusing her. Her
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: history of abusing him could be used against him. If
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: a woman falsely accuses her husband many times and then
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: assaults him, an officer responding to this complaint would have
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: to consider those previous accusations of evidence even if they
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: had dismissed them previously. Even if they found that there
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: was no actual evidence abuse any of those times. One
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: of the incidents that she used in that complaint was
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: a drive-by greeting, an alleged drive-by greeting that never happened.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: She claimed to be in a location where, by the way,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: she shouldn't have been because she said she was going
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: to be in another state altogether to a judge to
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: get out of a case. Claimed that he drove by
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: and allegedly waved menacingly which i'm assuming you do with
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: one finger and that was supposed to violate a restraining
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: order and that was one of the complaints that she
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: used to get a restraining order after being told no
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: on a previous restraining order this one um Save Stop
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Abusive and Violent Environments report provides an example of why
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: this criteria can be unreliable. Another common criteria, severity and
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: extent of injury inflicted on each person. Feminists use this
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: all the time, by the way. When you show them
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: proof that they cannot deny that 70% of domestic violence
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: is female perpetrated, they dig through the study that that
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: proof is contained in and say, but women are injured
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: more often. right say's report provides an example of a
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: case of in california a knife wielding woman raised her
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: hand preparing to stab her husband the man quickly raised
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: his arms in self-defense so you see her above him
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: her arm raised above his arms and to stab him
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: she's going to bring her arm down the woman then
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: struck the man with such force that her forearm sustained
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: a fracture. That's what I was looking for when I
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: typed wrist was this incident. The man only experienced minor
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: contusions and abrasions. Using severity and extent of injury as
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: a criteria to judge the predominant aggressor, an officer would
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: be compelled to arrest the victim in this case. So
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: we are looking at how policy gets twisted when feminists
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: become part of the advisory committee. And because they have
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: woven domestic violence into everything, including the advice on this law,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: because remember, We're looking here to be victims of domestic abuse.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: This was their reason why women deserve certain consideration that
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: men don't. So feminists are on the advisory committee or group,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, for this law. When
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: feminists become part of the advisory committee, this is the
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: kind of sense they make. That if a woman injures
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: herself While trying to murder. Her husband. He becomes the
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: predominant aggressor. And he gets arrested. Now think about that.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: In terms of. If there's a question. Of whether or not.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: The individual. Examining the possibility.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Of.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Medical assisted suicide. Has been coerced. If. If you have
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: a woman. Who is going to die. From a. Disorder
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: or disease. Injury or whatever. That is untreatable. Is going
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: to cause her death. To be excruciatingly painful. Or otherwise torturous.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: And there isn't anything that they can do to relieve
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: that suffering short of death. And she wants to choose death.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Her medical team now has to try to investigate whether
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: or not her husband is an abuser forcing her to die.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: So while she's going through this and making this decision,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: they now have to put him under a microscope. And
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: rather than being able to be there for his wife
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: and be supportive and hold her hand and explain anything
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: she doesn't understand and defend her rights as the family
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: member who is defending her right to all of the
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: information and informed consent, Anything that he does or says
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: can be called into question. So if he's on board
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: with her making the decision to kill herself because it's
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: been explained that she's going to suffer to death and
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: the only way to avoid it is to die before
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: the suffering starts, they can view him as just trying
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: to kill her to get rid of her. But if
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: he's not on board with it because he knows about
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: some treatment And he thinks the medical profession is pushing
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: her into it. And he's trying to protect her rights.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: They can call him coercive. And at the same time,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: criminalize him. The next thing you know, because your wife
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: was going through this ordeal, you are now under investigation
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: by a local prosecutor. Even though you didn't cause the
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: ordeal and you were trying to protect her, from having
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: the worst experience of it that she could have. Meanwhile,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: if you're the one dying, if the man is the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: one who is going through this ordeal, what if he
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: is in a situation where he could receive treatment and
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: he's choosing not to receive treatment because he thinks that
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a burden on his wife? And
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: she's sitting there nodding and going along. Yes, it would
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: absolutely be a burden on me if you try to
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: go through this. Just die. Is this law going to
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: protect him? No, because it doesn't offer protection to men.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: It notes women and disabled people. So if she's coercively
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: controlling him, if she's suggesting that she's just not going
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: to take care of him, that she's going to be
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: abusive in some way maybe she's going to do something
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: to the kids maybe she's going to sell their house
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: maybe she threatens him with we're going to lose the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: house because of you maybe she refuses to go to
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: work you know whatever this law doesn't provide any protection
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: for him because he's not a woman. Most people who
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: have a terminal illness are disabled, but disability is linked
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: with women here. So they're not going to be thinking
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: of him as a disabled person. Does he have the
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: right to relevant information? Does he have the right to
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: have his members of parliament examine relevant evidence about his
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: health inequalities? About whether or not he feels entitled to
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: take care of himself? Entitled to normal health procedures? that
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: anybody else would be entitled to? I think this is
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: probably the most relevant question. And so last week, I
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: think I gave you guys some homework. I admonished you
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: to contact your members of parliament, congressmen, senators, you name it,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: whatever your nation has. and express your concerns about lack
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: of safeguards in these types of bills and laws to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: prevent people from being pushed to die when they are
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: not already dying, when they're just an inconvenience to somebody.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: I also would like to see people express another set
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: of concerns to your national and state or province or
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: other division leadership that these bills or these laws by
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: singling out every protected category except being male that they
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: have protections for everyone except men and that they express
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: the idea that abuse victims must be female and perpetrators
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: must be male that they are creating a legal environment
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: which can cause false accusations against men who are trying
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: to protect a family member's rights, and that they are
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: excluding men from safeguards against abuse of power by medical
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: professionals and insurance companies. Oikophobic misanthrope asks, how close are
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: we to labeling being a woman a disability? I'm pretty
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: damn close, and I am a woman, and I don't
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: feel like it's a disability for me, but I've had
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: too many conversations about reproductive rights where Accountability. Can be considered.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: I just can't. With women. Honestly. There's a limit. I understand.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: That if you didn't get. A good foundation. Of biological education.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: During your school years. you might fail initially to understand
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: the difference between a single-celled organism and a single cell
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: that is a reproductive cell from an organism that is
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: not a fully formed organism. But after it's explained to
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: you what one is versus what the other is and
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: why they are different, that should be enough for you
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: to recognize that, uh, Any argument that you make on
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: the basis of them being the same is moot because
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: it's wrong because they're not the same. So if your
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: argument is on a basis of a belief that is
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: not factual, the argument is wrong. Any person who can
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: debate politics should be able to understand that. If the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: things that you're basing your argument on are not true,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: your argument is no longer valid. But women, uniquely, by
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: the way, because when I prove this to male advocates
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: for abortion, they just flip to a new argument. Okay, well,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: that argument didn't work. How about this one? But women
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: will go right back to the same arguments and they'll
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: deny that the incorrectness of the supposedly factual basis for
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: their argument is relevant to the validity of their argument
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: well it doesn't matter if the basis is wrong it
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if single-celled organisms and zygotes or not zygotes
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: but gametes are not the same thing it's still argument
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: So I think women are retarded. I'm still waiting for
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: any woman outside of the set that you would refer
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: to as honey badgers to prove me wrong. I haven't
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: found one yet. It's very disheartening. This is actually going
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: to be the, if I get diagnosed with depression again,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: it's going to be because of women. So, uh, I'm
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: not that far off.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: I beat you to it.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you have a lot more reason than I do. But,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: you know, it's still, it just, ugh. And, yeah, maybe Pearl.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: Even when they talk about men's issues, they end up
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: talking about themselves and what women go through.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, you know, I can do that, but I
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: can only do it if I'm going to relate it
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: back to men. I think a lot of women just
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: do that because they can't think about anything but themselves.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: But for instance, like the bodyguard requirement, right? You're expected
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: to protect the women around you. If I look at
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: a situation where there's danger, I'm scared shitless, right? If
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: there's danger and I'm in danger and I might get hurt,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be scared. I would assume, if that's
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: my reaction, that's how men feel about it too. That's
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: understanding what it's like to be in a situation because
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: you've been in that situation. It's not quite empathy, but
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: it's close. It's sympathy. I can have sympathy for men
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: because human experiences happen to all human beings. And I
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: can empathize, you know, when I can look and see
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: this man is scared. And you can when you see
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: a man defending somebody against a threat. You know, videos
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: of of men defending their families when they've gone into
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: a park or something and there turns out to be
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: a scary wild animal. You can see on his face
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: he's scared. But guess what he's doing anyway? He's defending
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: his family. You can empathize with that because you would
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: be scared for yourself, but you would also be more
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: scared that something terrible was going to happen to your family.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: You can empathize with that if you love your family.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: You can imagine the feelings that would be coursing through
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: that individual, right? So many women can't picture that. They
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: can't picture him being scared. They picture him being bigger
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: and stronger than they are and therefore invulnerable. Or they
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: don't think of him as being a real living existing
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: human being with his own thoughts and his own feelings
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: and his own interests who loves his family but doesn't
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: like to get hurt. And you know this is why
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: it doesn't Compute with them when you say an Action
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: that you take when that action has a consequence even
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: if someone else is participating in the same action with
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: you your choice Makes you a hundred percent responsible for
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: the consequences you experience because you didn't have to do
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: that they can relate that to Well his choice is
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: makes the child support 100% his fault that he's experiencing that.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't occur to them that that means it's
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: not their fault. It occurs to them that that means
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: it's not their fault. It doesn't occur to them that
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: it's also their fault they're experiencing single motherhood and poverty.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: They can't accept that. They can only accept his responsibility.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: They can't accept their own. And again, like I said,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: I think, and I hate to say this, but I
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: think there's a level to which, and it's somewhat cultural,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: a big amount of it's cultural. There's a level to which,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: in comparison to men, in general, women are retarded. They
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: never fully develop into adulthood. This is coming from a woman.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: I always say women are stuck up perpetually 16.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: I would go younger. I agree with this guy that
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: I used to read his comments on Reddit. His account
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: seems to have been deleted or suspended, but his name
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: was Whisper. And he gave a very solid argument. That
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: women stop maturing in adolescence. Right before dating age. Where
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: when you're 15 years old as a boy. You're going
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: to drive the next year. Or at least up until
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: somewhere in the 2010s. It was normal that you were
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: going to drive the next year. And you're going to
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: start going on dates.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: You were going to start funding those dates from your
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: own pocket, from your own work. And so you were
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: going to be expected within a year to be financially
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: responsible for your mating rituals, essentially. And you'd also have
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: heard at that age about being responsible for preventing pregnancy
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: if you're going to have sex. or for not having
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: sex in order to prevent pregnancy. Girls don't quite get
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: the level of, like they don't get told they're gonna
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: be expected to fund dates. They get told they should
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: expect to be treated like something special and they should
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: shop around for somebody that's gonna do that. And they're
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: not told that it's gonna be their fault If there's
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: a child born who doesn't have married parents that are
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: going to support the child together and raise the child together,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: they get told that they're a victim of that situation
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: if it happens to them. And they should do everything
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: to avoid being victimized in that manner. So they're treated
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: like children at that point. And The expectations that are
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: placed on women stop there. If a woman, girl graduates
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: from high school, she turns 18, she's an adult woman.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: If she continues to live with her parents for like
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: another 10 years, nobody calls her a deadbeat for that.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: Nobody acts like she's failing to launch. Nobody acts like
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: she's failing at life. Nobody acts like she should be
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: doing something she's not doing. They maybe suggest, are you
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: looking for a husband? If she doesn't go to college,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: but she doesn't prepare to do any other type of job,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: and she tells people she's going to be a stay-at-home mom,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: she won't get treated like she's lazy or stupid or short-sighted.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: She'll get treated like a victim of a cultural push
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. If she does say she wants to
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: go to college, if she says, I want to be
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  Speaker 1: a doctor and I'm going to study for eight years
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  Speaker 1: really hard. And it's the only thing I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: do with occasional, you know, go into the movies or
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  Speaker 1: something for fun. So I don't go crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: If she does that. She's treated like she's remarkable. If
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  Speaker 1: she says she's going to go into a job like
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing. Which is pretty normal. It's very similar to
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  Speaker 1: being a stay-at-home mom. Except you're at somebody else's house
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  Speaker 1: taking care of maybe an adult. Who just has some
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  Speaker 1: special needs. She gets treated like she's an angel. I
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  Speaker 1: get praise from people for doing something that is perfectly normal.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of embarrassing. I always try to be gracious about it.
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  Speaker 1: But I hate when people make a fuss over that
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  Speaker 1: because what I'm doing isn't all that difficult. As long
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  Speaker 1: as you care about other people in general, it's a
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  Speaker 1: very rewarding and fun job. Sure, there are difficult times,
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  Speaker 1: and it's especially hard when somebody hits their lifespan and
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  Speaker 1: you lose somebody that you've been taking care of. But
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  Speaker 1: it's not the hardest job out there. And I would
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  Speaker 1: say that the rewards are a thousand times the hardship,
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  Speaker 1: if not more. But I get treated just for being
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  Speaker 1: a caregiver for people. Like I'm doing something nobody else
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  Speaker 1: can do. Lots of people could do what I do.
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  Speaker 1: I do not do anything special. Nothing I do is unique.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing I do is over and above and beyond what
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  Speaker 1: other people do. It's just something that needs done that
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  Speaker 1: maybe not a lot of people want to do or
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  Speaker 1: have the confidence to do. But I want to do it,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm doing it. And it's the same thing with,
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  Speaker 1: you know, HBR talk. When we talk about these things,
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  Speaker 1: these are things that men in the men's rights movement
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  Speaker 1: have been talking about for 100 years, at least. And
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  Speaker 1: nobody's been listening to them. People listen when women talk
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  Speaker 1: about these things because we're women. But I haven't broken
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  Speaker 1: any new ground. I haven't brought up anything that people
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  Speaker 1: don't already know. And I haven't made you think about
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  Speaker 1: things differently than any of those men could make you
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  Speaker 1: think about. You're listening. And some of you think it's
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  Speaker 1: special because I'm a woman who understands this. And I
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  Speaker 1: understand that because I know that there are many women
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: who don't understand it. And so among women, It's special
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  Speaker 1: that some women actually understand this shit. Just so long
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  Speaker 1: as you know that there's no room under my feet
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  Speaker 1: for a pedestal. Because it doesn't belong there. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't belong on it. And neither does any other woman
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  Speaker 1: in this movement. Or in the world. This is a
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  Speaker 1: thing I think most people don't understand. Right? things aren't
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  Speaker 1: special just because women do them. Women doing things aren't
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  Speaker 1: special just because they're doing it. And women don't need
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  Speaker 1: or deserve special treatment. To be fair, special treatment Is
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: a disabling factor. It's a handicapping factor. And I think
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  Speaker 1: in this situation. It would handicap men and women in
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: a variety of ways. If men and women were treated differently.
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  Speaker 1: When a conversation comes up about end of life. Have
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: to be able to accept. Women's decisions. And women's interest. And.
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  Speaker 1: women's family members being passionate about defending the woman's right
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  Speaker 1: to her decision and all of the correct information and
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  Speaker 1: so on without victimizing the woman and criminalizing the male relatives.
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  Speaker 1: And we have to be able to accept that men
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  Speaker 1: have those same rights that those women have, that their
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  Speaker 1: rights should be defended. And their decision-making capacity should be defended.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: So if you're going to protect one sex against being
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  Speaker 1: coerced into killing themselves because they're sick, you should protect
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  Speaker 1: both sexes. And you should do so in a way
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't result in false allegations. So write to your
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  Speaker 1: representatives at the state or province or whatever and national level.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure that they understand that you're concerned about both
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: of those things. About The criminalization of male family members
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  Speaker 1: who are just trying to stand up for the rights
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  Speaker 1: of a family member who is going through this decision-making process.
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  Speaker 1: And also the exclusion of sick men from protections against
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: being coerced into killing themselves just because they're an inconvenience
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: to somebody. It is possible. to have those protections in place,
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  Speaker 1: to have those safeguards in place without discrimination and without
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: going overboard so that anybody gets falsely accused. That's what
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: needs to happen. This isn't a gender issue. We shouldn't
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: allow it to be made one because every time something
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: gets made a gender issue, men lose. Anybody have anything
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  Speaker 1: else to add to that?
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  Speaker 2: Not really. There's nothing we can... Because we live in
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  Speaker 2: a gynocentric society, men lose automatically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. That's why men have to stand
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  Speaker 1: up and make their voices heard. Make their voices heard
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  Speaker 1: loud and politely, articulately, and convincingly. We don't need to
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: be aggressive like feminists, but we need very much to
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: be assertive. So with that, I think I will thank everybody.
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  Speaker 1: This has been a really tough subject for all of us,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: I think, to go over and to listen to. But
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: I think it was very important. Next week, we're still
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: going to talk about a tough subject. We really are.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about corruption in child support enforcement
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: in the UK because an article was brought to my
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: attention by Richard actually a while back while we were
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: going over this stuff. And so I want to go
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: over that before we go over anything else. So that'll
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: be what we'll start on next week. It's a life
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: or death issue too. And so you can look forward
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: to that. In the meantime... tonight we're going to drop
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: into a patron only after show i think i have
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: to make a new show i might not but we
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: seem to have gone back to having the same stupid
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: problem we had before with uh rumble gotta figure out
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: why and we'll fix it so this doesn't happen again
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: um but in the meantime um See if I can
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: find where I put it. I lose things all the
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: time on this show, I swear. I have, like, too
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: many tabs open. And one of them actually has the
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: article that we're going to go over. But apparently not
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: one with a label. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: But the title... Yeah, that's not it, damn it. The
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: title is Slapping the Label Feminism on Roofness is Activism?
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Is the HBR Talk 418 patron show, and we are
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: talking about feminist microaggressions. Oh, no, wait, that's not what
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: they called them. Microfeminisms. There is such a thing. It
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: is exactly as stupid as it sounds, and if you
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: want to talk with us about it, You've got to
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: go to Feed the Badger and sign up to participate
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: in our patron-only aftershows. So give it a shot, and
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: we will hopefully see you there. Night, all.