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Murder In Moscow: Did Bryan Kohberger Have Pictures Of Any Of The Victims Stored On His Phone? · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: Up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: we've all heard the rumors about Brian Koberger and the
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  Speaker 1: alleged picture or pictures of one of the victims on
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  Speaker 1: his phone. Now, when we first heard this report, I
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  Speaker 1: said then that it was very significant. And when looked
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  Speaker 1: at with the totality of what we already knew, it
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  Speaker 1: was not only significant, but in my opinion, relatively damning
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  Speaker 1: for Brian Koberger. Having something like that on your phone
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  Speaker 1: when you get caught and you're accused of these murders,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't look good. Now, of course, his legal team
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  Speaker 1: can easily say, oh, Brian Kohlberger is somebody who followed
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  Speaker 1: along with the case and was interested in true crime. Look,
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  Speaker 1: he's a criminologist. And that's fine. That's a great excuse.
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  Speaker 1: But will it hold up in court? That's what we
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  Speaker 1: have to think about, not what sounds good. What are
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  Speaker 1: you going to be able to prove to those jurors?
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  Speaker 1: inside of that courtroom. And if you're going to have
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  Speaker 1: some kind of bombastic theory or make all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: wild assertions, you're going to have to back that up
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  Speaker 1: with some receipts and some evidence. And no matter how
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  Speaker 1: many ways I twist it and try and look at
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  Speaker 1: it playing devil's advocate, I don't see a pathway for
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger to have an explanation here. With everything that
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  Speaker 1: we know, and remember, it's circumstantial, we don't know if
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  Speaker 1: these sources... are 100% legit. But if these sources are
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  Speaker 1: on point and all of this is true, then it
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  Speaker 1: certainly adds up to a very, very damning picture for
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger. And frankly, I happen to believe that these
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  Speaker 1: sources are on point. So we'll see, obviously, later on
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  Speaker 1: down the road if these sources were legit or if
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  Speaker 1: they weren't. But it all tracks, especially when you're Monday
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  Speaker 1: morning quarterbacking it. Today's article is from Newsweek Headline. Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's alleged photos on phone, highly significant. Ex-FBI agent. This
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  Speaker 1: article was authored by Kalita Rockman. And I agree 100%.
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  Speaker 1: If it turns out that these photos are on his phone,
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  Speaker 1: depending on the nature of them especially, imagine if they're
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  Speaker 1: photos that he actually snapped himself while he was on
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  Speaker 1: one of these surveillance missions that the government says he
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  Speaker 1: was engaging in. Bro shows up, hanging out in his car,
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  Speaker 1: hiding out, whatever it is he's doing, creeping, snapping pictures
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  Speaker 1: of these girls while they're in their house or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about damning. Now, if it's something that he kiped
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  Speaker 1: off of social media, a little bit less damning in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, because you can explain that away a little
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  Speaker 1: bit better. But if it's an actual photo that he
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  Speaker 1: took in his phone of one of these girls, forget it.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger, allegedly having pictures on his phone of one
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  Speaker 1: of the four University of Idaho students, he is accused
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  Speaker 1: of killing, is highly significant, according to a former FBI agent. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a former FBI agent, but it sounds significant
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  Speaker 1: to me as well. Koberger, 28, has been charged over
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  Speaker 1: the deaths of Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, and
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin. They were found stabbed to death inside a
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  Speaker 1: rental home near the university campus in Moscow, Idaho, on
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  Speaker 1: November 13th. The women had lived there with two roommates
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  Speaker 1: who survived the attack. Kohlberger was a PhD student of
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  Speaker 1: criminology at Washington State University in nearby Pullman when the
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  Speaker 1: murders took place. And I remember directly after these murders happened,
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  Speaker 1: there was all kinds of talk about who the perp
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  Speaker 1: might be, and a lot of people were thinking it
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  Speaker 1: was a college student. I didn't think that it was
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  Speaker 1: going to be one of their peers or somebody in
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  Speaker 1: their circle. Especially when people started to get cleared so quickly.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the ex-boyfriend, the two surviving roommates, all of
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  Speaker 1: the people that you would look at first under normal circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: And I certainly was on that path myself. I figured
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  Speaker 1: that the boyfriend who had all of those phone calls
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  Speaker 1: that were sent to him during this period, I figured,
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  Speaker 1: oh boy, had something to do with it. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't going to talk out of my neck and start
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  Speaker 1: naming people by name. But in the back of my mind,
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  Speaker 1: when I was looking at this case, when it was
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  Speaker 1: first breaking off, it certainly looked to me that this
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  Speaker 1: was a crime of passion and that somebody was really,
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  Speaker 1: really upset with at least one of these girls or Ethan.
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  Speaker 1: And that's because the overwhelming majority of situations like this
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  Speaker 1: are carried out by somebody that the victims knew. So
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  Speaker 1: when it's somebody from outside their circle or from outside
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  Speaker 1: of their life, if you will, that makes it a
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  Speaker 1: lot more difficult to find the person who is responsible.
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  Speaker 1: So when it wasn't somebody in their social circle or
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  Speaker 1: an ex-lover or something like that, it became a case
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  Speaker 1: where it was hit or miss if they were going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to find the person responsible. And if
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't for Brian Koberger leaving that sheath there with
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  Speaker 1: the DNA on it, this guy probably would have gotten
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  Speaker 1: away with this. He was arrested on December 30th at
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  Speaker 1: his parents' house in Pennsylvania and is yet to enter
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  Speaker 1: a plea to four counts of first-degree murder and one
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  Speaker 1: count of felony burglary. A lawyer who previously represented him
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  Speaker 1: said he was eager to be exonerated, and a preliminary
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  Speaker 1: hearing is set to begin on June 26th. Authorities found
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  Speaker 1: multiple photos of one of the female victims on a
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  Speaker 1: phone seize from Kohlberger, People reported earlier this week, citing
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  Speaker 1: an unnamed source familiar with the investigation. And here's the
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  Speaker 1: rub for a lot of people. And I get it, right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest fan of the legacy media. It's
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons I started my podcast. I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that the legacy media has our best interest at heart.
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  Speaker 1: And frankly, I don't want activist journalists. I want journalists
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  Speaker 1: who are chasing the truth and who are unencumbered by
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  Speaker 1: loyalty to a political party or to a group. The
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  Speaker 1: idea of the legacy media as the fourth estate is
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  Speaker 1: to hold those in power to account. And I think
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  Speaker 1: they've forgotten that. And they've certainly lost the trust of
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  Speaker 1: the people. So I get when people are like, look,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe any unnamed source. So I completely understand
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  Speaker 1: that and totally get why folks out here wouldn't believe
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  Speaker 1: people and the sources that they say they have. The
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  Speaker 1: magazine did not reveal who the alleged photos were of
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  Speaker 1: or if they had been taken by Kohlberger or downloaded
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  Speaker 1: from social media. I think that's all significant, right? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if we'll get that information anytime soon, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be significant to know how
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  Speaker 1: those pictures ended up on his phone. And forensically, they'll
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  Speaker 1: be able to trace that. They'll know when those pictures
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  Speaker 1: were taken or if they were downloaded. They can find everything.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to a digital footprint, forget it. But
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  Speaker 1: Tracy Walder, a former FBI special agent and former CIA officer,
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  Speaker 1: told News Nation that if true, it would show a
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  Speaker 1: pattern of behavior. No doubt about it. That's what I
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  Speaker 1: said too. When you look at everything, it's about the patterns, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's not about a one-off, him acting weird one time.
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  Speaker 1: It's about the totality of his behavior and the documented
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  Speaker 1: evidence of that behavior. We know that he was reprimanded
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  Speaker 1: at Washington State University for his treatment of some of
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  Speaker 1: the female students and female staff, Walder said. And so
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  Speaker 1: if he had photos on his cell phone, It directly
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  Speaker 1: ties him back now to the occupants of that house.
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  Speaker 1: This is one step closer to tying him to that.
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  Speaker 1: And frankly, with all of the evidence, as far as
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  Speaker 1: we know it, the Instagram following, the DMs, these pictures,
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  Speaker 1: Mad Greek, the University of Idaho, I've seen what I
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  Speaker 1: need to see. to be convinced that Brian Koberger certainly
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  Speaker 1: had ties to these girls, at least from the perspective
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  Speaker 1: of him following them on social media and watching them
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  Speaker 1: from afar. Walder said Koberger could have easily found their
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  Speaker 1: Instagram page and saved screenshots of pictures they posted, 100%.
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  Speaker 1: Very easy to do that. We all know that. If
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  Speaker 1: he was taking sort of action shots of them, stalking them,
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  Speaker 1: following them to their work, school, and all of that,
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  Speaker 1: That really sort of goes more towards this premeditation, she said. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: That'll play a big part into it. Now, if those
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  Speaker 1: photos are of the variety that we talked about, him
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  Speaker 1: actually snapping those flicks, that's going to be very damning
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  Speaker 1: for him in the courtroom. And I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: he'll get over that. I don't know how he'd convince
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  Speaker 1: the jury that he didn't premeditate all of this, especially
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  Speaker 1: if they find those pictures or if they've found those
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  Speaker 1: pictures already. It comes after reports that Koberger's now-deleted Instagram
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  Speaker 1: account had followed Gonsalves, Mogan, and Kernodle. A source told
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  Speaker 1: People in January that he had repeatedly messaged one of
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  Speaker 1: the women, but never received a response. He reportedly first
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  Speaker 1: sent a message in late October, and then several more. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: it was just him saying, Hey, how are you? But
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  Speaker 1: he did it again and again, the source said. So
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  Speaker 1: if this is true, And these photos are on this phone.
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  Speaker 1: It will certainly put everything into context and perspective for
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  Speaker 1: the jurors, right? It will be the glue that binds
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  Speaker 1: it all together. The fact that he had pictures of
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  Speaker 1: them on his phone, especially if they're pictures, say, taken
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  Speaker 1: from his car while they're in front of their house
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  Speaker 1: doing yard work or whatever. Can you imagine how damning
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  Speaker 1: that'll be when brought in front of a jury? Say
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  Speaker 1: you were sitting on the jury and you saw that
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  Speaker 1: evidence and you saw all of the other circumstantial evidence
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  Speaker 1: that has been provided and you're on the fence a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know if this is true. This
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  Speaker 1: might not be true. And then you see these pictures.
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  Speaker 1: Forget it. That's enough to convince. Anyone who might be
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  Speaker 1: on the fence. So if these pictures do exist. And
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  Speaker 1: I happen to believe. People source. So I happen to
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  Speaker 1: believe that they do exist. Then I think it's very
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  Speaker 1: damning evidence. Against Brian Koberger. And I think that evidence
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  Speaker 1: will go a long way. To helping get a conviction.
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  Speaker 1: Alright folks. That's going to do it for this one.
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