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Pop Conspiracy Junkies 2: Live at Phoenix Fan Fusion · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  [Music]
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  Welcome to a very special episode of the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. I am here with my lovely
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  Fera Archeron. Also known as Shauna Trinidad. It looks so good. Oh my god. Okay, so thank you all
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  for coming. This is Olivia's first Comic Con. Well, I'm sorry. We're supposed to call it Fan Fusion.
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  Yes, it's Comic Con in our heart. So I have been calling it Comic Con for weeks now and my husband
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  keeps going, "It's called Fan Fusion." It's called Phoenix fan fusion. And then I get mad at him and I go,
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  "Okay, so if I say I need a Kleenex, or are you going to go, it's actually called tissue. Kleenex is the name brand."
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  You know, you have to get used to it. It's called Phoenix Fan Fusion. Yes, yes. But we are at the
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  lovely Fan Fusion. Shana and I are cosplaying scissors today. AKA Fera and Mesta Archeron. From a
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  Court of Thorns and Roses. Yes. I was very excited when people knew who I was. I didn't think they would.
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  So we're very, very happy. And today we're going to be discussing a very special episode. And we're
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  going to be talking about celebrity pop culture conspiracy theories. And I want to hear from the audience,
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  what are your favorite celebrity pop culture conspiracy theories? Yeah, come on up.
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  Yeah, no, I want to hear yours because it was hilarious. So anything that you guys have heard, I think the more absurd,
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  the better, honestly. And yeah, right up here. Right at this lovely little mic. Yeah, come on up.
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  Say your name and then say your conspiracy theory please. So my name is Novia. And my conspiracy theory is,
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  at least I've seen it on Instagram. So like don't judge me. Like I didn't make it up. Oh my god.
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  Is that Haley Bieber has been secretly Vladimir Putin this whole time.
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  Makes me so personally happy. Yeah, okay, okay, wait, I have to clarify that Haley Bieber and Putin are the
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  same person. Yes. In this theory. Okay, does this theory provide any background or reason? What?
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  It's just the pictures of their faces have you seen them? They look so similar. Literally, like they
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  look like the same person. My favorite theories are the ones that are so stupid and it's only because like
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  they have the same nose. Thank you. That was absurd. And I'm offended, but I love it. Yes, yes,
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  just anyone else in the audience have any good ones. I know we had one back here.
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  Wait, you gotta come up. You gotta tell us your name and your theory.
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  Oh my god, you look so cute. Okay, wait, rent it in my, what's your name?
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  Hi, my name is Alex. Also known as cosplayer Junco the goddess.
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  Oh, I look like a goddess. Thank you. So my theory is that Margot Robbie has been lying about her age
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  since the beginning. Oh, to be older than she is or younger than she is. To be older, like so I
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  think that she is actually like 37, 38 and not like really like 32. 32? I could see that. I can see
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  that. She is beautiful beyond her years. So I don't know if her age matters, but I really could see it.
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  So before this show started rolling, I said I'm actually 35, but I'm gonna start lying about it.
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  Yeah. Now that I put this on a podcast, I guess it's gonna screw, I'm gonna start lying and saying
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  that I'm like 19. Oh, okay. That was a little generous. Why? You guys all lie.
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  Oh, it's not a name. Oh, 30. 31. So that way, that way we're the same age.
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  People already think we're sisters. I think that means you're 19 too. You look like you're 19.
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  I believe it. I believe it. I believe it. Well, I'm so excited. Today we're here to talk a
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  little bit about pop culture or conspiracy theories. And before we dive into some specific ones, we have
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  some really fun ones that will apply across the ages and things that have continued over time. I
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  wanted to talk a little bit about why you think conspiracy theories really exist in general.
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  Today we're gonna keep it really light. We're not gonna talk about anything too dark. Of course,
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  conspiracy theories can take it there. But I held Kiwanage today. We're keeping this
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  light. We're gonna keep it fun. Liam and Michelle can't read fun. And so, ultimately,
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  there's a light man's slaughter. There is a little bit of man's slaughter in the Taylor Swift universe.
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  So we're gonna talk a little bit about that. But I think what's so interesting about conspiracy theories
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  is it's really a human concept to try to find meaning in bad times or meaningless situations.
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  And, you know, from your point of view, like, why do you think that we as a culture really do
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  resonate with these and it can all be like, yeah, I think Kayleigh Bieber is Vladimir Putin.
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  I think there's a little bit of the absurdity factor in some of this stuff. Like, we know that some
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  of this stuff can't, there's no children here. We know some of this shit can't possibly be real, right?
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  Like, Hey,leigh Bieber is not Vladimir Putin. But with so much bad stuff actually going on in the
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  world, it's kind of nice to imagine an absurd point of view where these things are real. But then when
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  it gets into like the darker side of conspiracy theories where we do get into some of that, like,
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  stuff where people really start getting in trouble and the police start raiding joins where they don't
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  need to. I think that is just like the human nature to seek answers to things that we can't explain,
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  right? So like, if the conspiracy theories start getting to that dark place, I think it's because
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  we all can't imagine that something this bad is happening. So we have to make up some absurd excuse
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  for it. Yeah, I think a lot of the time it's like the human brain tries to recognize patterns,
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  no matter what good or bad. And ultimately, like, we look for those and where there isn't meaning,
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  we try to find that. You try to assign, there has to be a reason that this thing happened. And it
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  can't just be the absurdity of it all. I don't know. Yeah. And I don't know about you guys in the
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  audience. Like, do you ever feel like a son of a baby? Cheryl's raising her hand. I think people like
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  know something other people don't know. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little bit of that. Like, okay, how do I
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  know something before others know? Or how do I have this piece of information that I can bring to
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  a community and really build that sense of community together? It's funny. Like, if anybody in the room
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  has ever met somebody and they're like, I know a celebrity. Like, and they always try to tell you
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  some weird tea about a celebrity, right? Like, I worked at this woman who swore up and down that she
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  knew, um, shit, the lead singer of Erasmus, Stephen Tyler, right? What a brag. And, right. And like,
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  part of me, like, believed her, but she would tell me, honestly, things you probably believe about
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  Stephen Tyler, unfortunately, but like, she wanted to be that one who had the knowledge, like before
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  everyone else did. So I totally think that's true. It's like, you want to be the one who's like,
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  I know something. You don't know. I got the tea and you don't. And listen, we literally host a
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  podcast about pop culture. We want to know the tea before everyone else does, and we can speculate on it.
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  Yeah. Well, on that note, I want to know what is your favorite celebrity conspiracy theory?
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  Okay. I'm going to pull up my notes for this one. This is probably one of the oldest celebrity
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  conspiracy theories that I know of so much that I texted my 72 year old father this week to ask
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  him how he felt about it. Have you guys ever heard the Paul is dead conspiracy theory? I've ever heard
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  of the Beatles. Have you ever heard of the band? Have you ever heard of the band, the Beatles?
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  No. I've never heard of them. Okay. So in 1966, there's this theory that Paul McCartney is on his
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  way to recording session, and he's in a car accident, and he is beheaded. And the British government
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  finds out about it, and they convince the Beatles that if news gets out that Paul McCartney is dead,
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  they will be riots in the street. Yeah. And so they convince the Beatles to hire this guy named
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  Billy Sears, who looks like Paul McCartney. Okay. And they have the highest tech of 1960s plastic
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  surgery to make him look like Paul McCartney and then take the place in the Beatles. Okay. So the
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  British government, I didn't know that the British government was involved in this, so they were
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  ultimately like top down. It goes all the way to the Queen. She's saying, you know what, at the end of
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  a day there's going to be riots in the streets. I mean, listen, okay, you have to think, okay,
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  if Taylor Swift got for it. There's something happened to T-Soot right now. The government would be
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  like, there's going to be riots in this street. I don't know if I would go, the U of S government
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  is going to pretend that Taylor Swift did not hire Taylor Swift. Okay. So I'm sorry, that was my
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  bite into person. I want you to take me through the theory. Okay. So when did this theory initially
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  start? Like, so there was the first person to be like, Paul McCartney is dead. There's these college
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  students and they write this article about Paul McCartney being dead in the 60s. Okay. And it starts
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  gaining traction and eventually it goes to like major news and people start rolling with the
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  is Paul McCartney dead theory. Okay. There's a couple albums that are released
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  where people who are like beetle maniacs, beetle heads, what do they call themselves?
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  Beetle maniacs, battaliacs. I love that. You give them a fandom name. Thank you. Thank you.
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  Baby beetles. They start digging apart the album covers. So there's Abbey Road.
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  Okay. There's just a couple of them on the street. Yeah. And that's where the four of them
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  are crossing the street. And Paul McCartney is the only barefoot one which they say represents a
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  corpse. Oh, there is a this guy knows you know, Paul is dead. Paul is dead. John Lennon's at the center
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  of my dad. I texted my dad and I asked him at the Paul's dead conspiracy. And he said John Lennon's
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  the one who planned the whole thing. That's a whole other conspiracy theory death. I'm assuming.
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  I don't know. I have no idea. I just texted my dad and I was like, is Paul dead? He goes,
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  no, John Lennon started that. And I was like, okay. That's a whole other fucking
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  back of words there. Yes. Yes. Anyway. So all of these different album covers that the beetles release,
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  they say that there's clues embedded in there as to Paul is dead. If you play the records backwards,
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  they say things like Paul is dead. Ha ha ha. Miss him so much. Okay. On magical mystery tour. If you
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  flip the album around, there's a phone number. And if you call it, they'll tell you about Paul
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  being dead at the bottom. Oh wow. But I think that that is like kind of the original conspiracy theory
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  that I can think of. And it got so bad that like photographer started showing up to Paul McCartney's
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  house and like her rassing his family. And he got to the point where they showed up and they were
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  being such dicks to him. And they got such bad photographs and video of him that he went, you know
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  what? Come in. Let me show you. And then he did a time magazine video or a shoot where he's like,
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  this is me. This is my house. I am very not dead. Yeah. But it just it kept going. That's so
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  interesting because at the same time, it's like, how do you prove that like you're not a clone? So like
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  Avril Lavigne is like ultimately that the age old person isn't it like, no, I'm really me. So I think
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  if you're a millennial, like you're going to think of Avril Lavigne and people saying that Avril Lavigne
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  is a clone. My name is Melissa. What is very, very interesting about that Avril Lavigne is a clone
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  conspiracy theory is she actually like a week ago. Thankfully to this podcast episode, she did an
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  episode with Call Her Daddy and she talks a little bit about people thinking that Melissa is her
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  replacement. And Avril Lavigne died shortly after releasing her first album. Have you guys heard this?
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  Yeah. Y'all look lovely. Yeah. I'm really, really, really shaking the head. So people think that's Melissa.
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  Yeah. I mean, who knows? With that recent. So what's really interesting is Avril Lavigne got like a
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  really bad case of Mono when she released her first episode. So we've never had Mono. No, like
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  do you kiss and slut. I just love a smooch. When she first released her album, it was right after
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  she released it, Avril Lavigne got Mono. And so Melissa was actually employed to go to these mall
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  visits for Avril Lavigne at the time. No, I didn't know that. She was actually employed to be a
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  stand-in for Avril Lavigne. Wait, this is inferred. This is actually a thing. I did not know that. So I
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  thought this homeless stuff was just like, no, no, no, you thought it was pulled out of the, I thought it was
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  like Avril's eyebrows. Yeah, different. Okay, so the theory started shortly after this that
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  on them, she came out with that, hey, hey, you, you, I don't like it, girl. Everyone was like bad. I
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  said no, Avril Lavigne. Bad is her clone. That's not real. And so that's really where that conspiracy theory
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  started. But it really did begin with Paul McCartney is dead. And it has kind of repeated itself
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  over time into these, you know, the music industry has put too much money and energy into making
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  these stars and ultimately them moving, like them creating clones or look alike is to save their
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  investments. You know what cracks me up about the Avril Lavigne one note is like, okay, the Paul is dead.
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  Very like, Beetlemania was so insane. Yeah. And I get, I don't believe that Paul is dead. If you guys do,
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  I'm sorry. I love that. I think that you listen to those records backwards and you hear what you
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  want to, right? If you want to hear something like Paul is dead, you're going to hear it. But like
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  who really gives a crap if Avril the fiend dies? Hey, I mean, she was alternative Brittany. And she was
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  my best. That's, that's awful to say. I'm sure she's a lovely young woman. But like what I'm trying
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  to say is like, there's not going to be riots in this. Yeah. Well, my time is like the British
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  monarchy came in and was like, the Beatles can die. You know, like, you don't think like who is president
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  when Avril was really popular? Like George Bush, I don't know. He's like, I'm not going to even try to
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  do a George W impersonation. Please don't. I will not do that. He's like, you know, who can't die?
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  That skater boy girl. That skater boy. We got to clone that bitch.
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  She can't die. There will be riots in the streets. Yes. I think that the Beatles ultimately were,
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  were so interesting. And obviously there was a lot of chaos and ultimate demise of the Beatles. And
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  so I think that is really interesting. Yeah. I made fun of it later. He doesn't want to talk about
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  the theory a lot. Just like Avril. She gave it like a little ha ha like the podcast. Yeah. How do you
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  prove your name? Yeah. Prove your not a clone. She's like, I don't know. I'm here. I exist. Paul made
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  like an album cover at some point where it was like a solo album. And it said like, instead of the
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  license plate in the background, referencing how old he was when he died, it was like referencing
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  like, how old he is now. And he's like, I don't know. I'd be rode by himself. So wow. Yeah. I was really
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  throwing gasoline onto the fire at that point. So I want to talk a little bit about my favorite
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  conspiracy theories. I mean, it's the most ridiculous. So again, we're not trying to go too dark in this
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  episode. Obviously, we're trying to keep it light and fun. I do say this right before I say what I'm
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  supposed to put on. But my favorite celebrity conspiracy theory is that Taylor Swift and Harry
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  Stiles committed vehicular manslaughter and have been talking about it in their music since the
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  1989 era. And he chose to know that she said this in the chat the other day and we're saying this
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  like all of our stuff. And she goes, yeah, what about Taylor's most vehicular manslaughter? And I
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  was so dark. And when I want to keep it light and fun. And then I say, he's like silly and
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  goofy about how like Taylor Swift accidentally killed her guy. So the ultimately, I don't know who
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  originated this conspiracy theory. But if you are a Taylor Swift fan, you know. Would you guys call
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  yourself Swifties? I think so. So if you are a Swiftie, and you will know that she wrote a song called
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  "Style" is my favorite ever to ever say something. And so where this theory started is,
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  picked me up no headlights. He can't keep his wild eyes on the road. That just was like a distract
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  a driver. Exactly. Which is exactly how vehicular manslaughter begins. I always just assume this
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  song is about roadhead. Oh, I love that for you. So the rest of the internet thought that it was
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  vehicular manslaughter. The next song that comes up in her discovery, which is also from 1989,
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  is out of the woods, which is 20 stitches in a hospital room. You hit the brakes too soon.
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  Oh, shit. And so people started to pull these lyrics out of her music. And then another one was,
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  all you had to do was stay. Is the song or stay, stay, stay. And ultimately they come in and say,
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  like, you know, you took your eyes off the road, drove us into a ditch. And so like, okay, so
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  it varies. Riding in Taylor. Taylor is a passenger in this vehicular manslaughter,
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  conspiracy theory. And so ultimately right after this, they stop like speaking. And she has a lot of
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  songs about it. And so years go by, she releases a few albums. And then she releases Evermore,
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  which is in 2020. She releases a song called No Bommi No Crime. Oh my god. And so people,
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  I never never like put it on. Yes, if you put all the songs together, it's a little bit like,
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  you were really bad driver. I was having no having, I don't know, nobody know crime.
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  I think about like, I know what you did. I just got there. And if you could even imagine, she's,
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  yeah, incidentally, attempted to kill it, dude. And then you're like, no one can know. I'm going to
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  write a multi-platform song. But I'm going to win a multiple Grammy, it's talking about like,
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  you murdered someone and we drove away. Like he likes to have the airy silos or two of the most
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  famous people to face. Yeah. So when they're like, nope, you never know. I'm going to run up. I'm
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  going to write this tape. So what's interesting is, that's a tag writer, not a light job,
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  but Taylor Stiff writes on a tight, right? Yeah. She's a tortured poet. And so ultimately,
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  they're talking about this. The conspiracy theory started before Evermore came out. And it was
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  becoming a very popular at that time. And people were talking about it on TikTok, on Instagram,
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  all these things. And then right after that conspiracy theory caught wind and started to gain
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  traction, she released nobody, no clients. And everyone was like, through it, it is a confirmation.
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  She was thinking she knew what she was doing. Yeah. You know, at that time, she's the most online
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  celebrity. I was never. I just asked if Taylor should do what she was doing in some of the audience.
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  It was like, shit, Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift, she used a tongue-to-air celebrity through
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  what ends. You know what? Also, that brings us to another, I have celebrity like, conspiracy theories,
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  though, is when they start laying into it. But wouldn't you? Oh, absolutely. The game and the celebrity
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  is ultimately keeping your name, discussed in the press, whatever it is, like keeping people interested
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  in you. They can't make it in the Hitler game, whether it's on this, or that you are actually dead,
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  is a really great opportunity to stay discussed. I would keep people obsessed. Like, what's beautiful
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  about like community around celebrity and stand culture is like, you have a close marketing
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  and networking. And you go, were you just keeping you just stuck? Yeah. I would say I would want to keep
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  something in the news, but myself is a lot. Is it wasn't totally damaging to my career, right?
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  And what's funny, how would you know, and what's funny is like, I killed somebody. It is kind of
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  like saucy, right? But if it's like, Sean accounts on my guys, we're starting to spread the rumors.
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  Whoopsie. I was a passenger princess. It wasn't really me. Yeah, I think. Okay. But like, at what point,
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  what celebrity fans like conspiracy theory at what point does a celebrity have to pump the brakes
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  and be like, no, no, no, that's not true, right? Once it becomes, there reacuse to like, assault or like
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  something like, how do you prove you're not a plum? Like the second you say, I'm not a plum. Everyone's
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  like, that's something you're talking about. I think you have to not ignore it and forever. That's
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  interesting. So that kind of barb is straight. I don't have the fact, you know, yeah. Our next
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  one is the Illuminati, right? So there's, then this conspiracy theory for very celebrity is,
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  and we're going to talk a lot about like, be on say and JZ that they're gonna be not going to live in
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  that T. So, Olivia told me earlier that she knows a lot about the Illuminati, which is so special.
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  I'm not in it. No, so that's you. That's something that someone in the Illuminati. Yeah, it's like,
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  so the Illuminati actually started as a free Mason group, which free Mason's were like, this,
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  like essentially like a fraternity of people back in the olden days. Like, what we think of as a
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  fraternity to name. So like, and at least, no, like way back. Oh, people, they also, okay, the olden,
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  yeah. So they were these free Mason groups, and they were like a fraternity of men who would come
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  together and they would make decisions about the society that they lived with the end. And on
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  free Mason's are very popular. Like, you may hear people be like, oh, I'm a part of a free Mason
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  group or whatever, but Illuminati was one of those grades and caught on with the end
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  popular culture. I don't really understand when it first started entering as like, okay,
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  celebrities and all of these elites and wealthy people were really all a part of this one
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  free Mason group, which ended up being the Illuminati. The first time I really ever heard of
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  like the Illuminati was in relation to Beyonce and Jay-Z being a part of the Illuminati.
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  That's when I first started hearing about it too, is like in my space. Oh wow, like Tumblr,
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  shit, where you all see those symbols and then they start getting it to websites where they're like,
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  anytime you see a triangle, it means it's the Illuminati. And so,
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  honestly, when it comes to the Jay-Z and Beyonce Illuminati theory, what I'm oiled
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  like down to is racism. I wanted normalness in a American golden racism. And when it started like
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  Beyonce rose to prominence through destiny as child and like Jay-Z started becoming really
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  popular and then they got married and everyone's like, these two people are very popular. They must
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  be a part of a world-government group that's going to take over them. No, maybe they're just very
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  popular. Yeah. Good musicians. Honestly. And then Jay-Z threw up like the whole,
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  yeah, yeah. And so everyone says that's like the all-seeing eye symbol, like all the
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  things. All the dots. And so when Beyonce started throwing it up, I mean that's literally
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  a husk that I'm more she's gonna do like the black nation chin. But everyone is saying that
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  Beyonce and Jay-Z are hard. Like the keen and green of the Illuminati, they're selling their
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  souls to be famous. And I think that just the racist part of that is like, okay, black woman and
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  a black man, they're like, like, do only way. The only way they could possibly be that famous is
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  if they're selling their souls to the devil. And then there's other people who they say are in the
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  Illuminati Dr. Dre, Red and Gaga. Yeah. Yeah. And air. But so one of the ones that I wanted to
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  discuss was the Lady Gaga and Lena Morgana. See if she thinks that. If anyone has ever heard
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  of Lena Morgana before, you raise her hand. If they got, oh, I love it. I am a big Lady Gaga.
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  She's a little adult. I am a little monster. She is the Swiftie. I heard rumblings of this one,
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  but you don't know the the poll story. Okay. So did you ever have to break my my dog off heart
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  that I will say that I do not necessarily believe in this conspiracy. Necessary was the key to that.
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  So the conspiracy theory of Lena Morgana and Lady Gaga is that Lady Gaga sacrificed a
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  woman named Lena Morgana. Do you remember what we were going to keep this alive? And now we're at
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  human sacrifice racism. Yeah. And now for my conspiracy. Um, so shadow nation. Yeah. So Lena Morgana
• 28:55
  it was sacrificed by Lady Gaga. And it was into that in the operatic music video. Yeah. So if you
• 29:02
  have seen the operatic music video, a million and one time. Yeah. Yes. Yes. They love that
• 29:07
  for you. Yeah. And it is this morning. I think Lady Gaga being pushed off of a balcony by
• 29:14
  Alexander stars. Yes. My love. Um, so she's being pushed off of a balcony by Alexander Skarskard.
• 29:22
  She ends up leaving. Uh, but in the actual music video, they see this newspaper and it's called
• 29:30
  Lady No More Gaga. And people would think that it says Lena Morgana. And Lena Morgana is a girl
• 29:39
  too. And it was a part of inner scope records. Her and before her and Lady Gaga, um, Matt
• 29:46
  saved. They were working together. They were writing songs together. They were, um, you know,
• 29:51
  collaborating part. And Lena Morgana fell off of a hotel building. Um, random. We are all want to,
• 30:01
  as we are one to do. Um, and, and passed away. And then, and the reason not this conspiracy theory.
• 30:08
  Actually, sorry. That's right. The reason of this conspiracy. She fell up a building and then, yeah,
• 30:14
  she did finally die. Yeah. She passed away. Passed away. And that's just like a soft gin
• 30:21
  tool to us. Yes. Yes. Yeah. There you go. Following up a building is, yes. Hopefully I think we
• 30:26
  decide. But the reason that this conspiracy theory started was there was a celebrity medium episode.
• 30:34
  And they ended up dedicating it to Lena Morgana. Wait. As the celebrity medium, that will look
• 30:39
  with this huge blonde. I think it was the other guy with a Tyler guy. It was a long, um, yeah. Yeah.
• 30:46
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But they dedicated this episode to her. And she wasn't really a part of the
• 30:54
  zeitgeist at the time. And so people on the internet were like, okay, why did we just watch this
• 31:00
  episode? And this random woman has a dedicated drug. And so people started looking into it. And
• 31:06
  they were like, okay, she's kind of connected to Lady Gaga. As soon as that episode came out,
• 31:11
  her mother said, I think that Lady Gaga killed her. And then her boyfriend later came out who was
• 31:17
  also connected to Lady Gaga as her pretty amazing hard on. And yes, her, the boy friend that she had,
• 31:25
  Lena's boyfriend at the time ended up being Lady Gaga's first producing part. Okay. Okay. And
• 31:31
  and so going. So are they saying that they that Gaga killed her in like sacrifice to like,
• 31:39
  the as a art, the illuminati. Okay. So like, oh, ritual. Yes. Sacrifice. Yes. And so this is the whole story.
• 31:47
  And so, um, whenever and lady right after she passes away, Lady Gaga, it's a very, very popular.
• 31:53
  She worked with her ex boyfriend at the time, but Lena's boyfriend, everything you're saying,
• 31:59
  I'm not yet accepting. Yeah. You're by the way. Um, and so at this time, um, she gets very, very famous.
• 32:05
  And then the paparazzi music video comes out, which is almost a like,
• 32:10
  shot, racial occasion of how Lena dies. Now what's crazy is Lady Gaga did end up like taking style
• 32:19
  inspiration from Lena Morgana. And as all of her music early on, sounds a lot like lean on
• 32:26
  spiraling music. See, I'm sorry, Lena's music, but I know like early Gaga, she released an album under
• 32:33
  her actual step to Stephanie, Jermin, on a death. Uh, so her album is just Stephanie. And she
• 32:40
  toured a lot like new nightclub scenes with this woman named Lady Starlight. So it was like,
• 32:45
  the lady starlight and Lady Gaga reviewed. Mm-hmm. Right. And that's Gaga with like the brimette care and stuff.
• 32:52
  Mm-hmm. But I, I'm, this is very interesting. Do I believe it?
• 32:57
  Absolutely. Uh, equivically, yes. Always dead. Uh, Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift, yeah.
• 33:07
  Exactly. And so, you know, it's really, really interesting to this day, like Lena's mother and
• 33:13
  Lady Gaga's boyfriend, or Lady Lena's boyfriend at the time. Which, uh, my wife, that, uh, you know,
• 33:22
  she was sacrificed at the time, but I think a lot of the Aluminati conspiracy theories, like if you
• 33:29
  remember, uh, Astro World, the tragedy that happened there, a lot of conspiracy theory, a lot of past
• 33:36
  things to it. It was a part of the Aluminati. Oh, right. I had a sacrifice ritual. Okay. I think a
• 33:43
  lot of it comes down to that. And people trying to find meaning within these pharmaceutical situations
• 33:51
  and the horrible moments in time. And if the human brain can find our reason for it to happen,
• 33:56
  we're gonna, well, I think that other than mindless chaos. I was just about to say, like the
• 34:01
  Astro World situation is obviously a mass tragedy, right? And we hadn't so many of those in the
• 34:07
  United States, unfortunately. And we all are so becoming immune to these where it's like, oh,
• 34:13
  thoughts and prayers. Oh, it's just another mass tragedy that happened to American soil, right?
• 34:17
  The thing. So I think at a certain point, we all become kind of like desensitized to
• 34:23
  what we need to think up and excuse why did this happen? Is there something else that could have
• 34:28
  explained this? And especially it becomes kind of absurdist like, oh, lady God God, blah, blah,
• 34:36
  blah, kill this woman and a devil sacrificing. That's it. Harry Styles and I kind of know, and I
• 34:42
  heard the one that like Taylor is working secretly with the NFC and the CIA to like call the American
• 34:53
  public and vote for by like, I don't know. I feel like anything that the people can, the people,
• 35:02
  that's all. It can kind of, I don't know. There's all of this behind shit going on. If we can
• 35:11
  have accepted that weird things are happening and causing the bad shit, that makes me fall
• 35:18
  on the butter. Yeah. Yeah. I want to agree. Now, I think I want to discuss my favorite. I was
• 35:25
  like, hey, it's really pretty. This is the stupidest one. There's one that's, this is actually my stupid.
• 35:31
  So there's this conspiracy theory that Olivia and I murdered a man eight years.
• 35:41
  What is it? What a holy best. And actually is that Liam Michelle is a linarix. And I wonder,
• 35:49
  I see someone shaking their men up there. So people here are always over her at the
• 35:55
  way of a shell catry. So fear of bias. Now I'm a shell's green glee. Yeah. So we have a
• 36:04
  shell to the badger once a ranch old Barry and glee. And then she had her start on Broadway.
• 36:13
  And so it's very talented. It's a very talented woman. And she was very talented,
• 36:19
  shot. And she started in Broadway. I want to see when she was like five years old.
• 36:25
  Until she was in and out of Broadway from the time that she was a very little kid. And I was
• 36:32
  doing Broadway for a really long time when you are within a television, movies, Broadway. She was
• 36:41
  like that child star kind of like they're putting your ribbon to touch Karen's trying to see what's
• 36:46
  yes. And by the law, you have to attend a certain number of hours, but you have on set teachers
• 36:54
  a certain number of like educational hours. Yes. And a very big criticism, criticism of child
• 37:01
  startup is that the education that you receive from these onset tutors is not enough. Right?
• 37:08
  It's ultimately your going to school for two hours to learn when most kids are going for
• 37:15
  eight hours a day. And so from the time that she was five years old, to the time that she got
• 37:21
  bullied, which I think was about like 1560. I don't know. She may have even been older at that
• 37:27
  point. I'm going to be honest. I can never watch. Yes. I wasn't like bleak. I wasn't.
• 37:32
  It's a reason like the thought of sitting down and watching an episode of Glee sounds like
• 37:37
  peeling skill. I'm not a musical person, but I do. I'm so sorry. Like I'm not. So right now all the
• 37:45
  drama associated with Glee, like Mark Salender. Oh, I know everything about that. Um, which is
• 37:51
  another. It's only though. Yeah. I didn't make a podcast that is so toxic. I'm getting
• 37:59
  I'm going to sell it. Oh, it's so toxic. Yes. So basically, a shoes band, which in this child startup
• 38:09
  situation for most of her life, right? And so in 2020, Leah, what Michelle came under a lot of
• 38:19
  slacks or a lot of very bad behavior. And people are really going talking about how racist it
• 38:26
  like problem has, she's probably about like two people on set and ran around that exact time.
• 38:32
  Leah Michelle cannot read. Came up every time you say it, if it's not, and I'm not. If you can't read,
• 38:39
  I'm like, no, hey, if you're listening, they're probably it's certain moments. Every
• 38:45
  if you can't read it, they're divine. There are moments in their situations that lead you to that.
• 38:51
  And I wanted to lead in you show Leah Michelle's potential, a literateness with that, the literacy.
• 38:57
  Yeah, a literacy with that tabby got. But ultimately, this conspiracy theory started on TikTok.
• 39:03
  And it was a compilation of Leah Michelle, ultimately, like presenting in a war shows, right? They
• 39:10
  give you the card, you open the card and every single time she would open the card, I did not see him.
• 39:16
  And then look to the person next to her and ask them to read it. She would go and do it. And
• 39:21
  they're probably like 10 to 15 times where she goes, okay, when she blames me, I'm going to be honest.
• 39:27
  Like I heard this Leah Michelle can't read. So, but I didn't want to get it. It was like
• 39:34
  free. Yeah, I thought it was just all of us, like as a society, kind of not like a lame
• 39:41
  Michelle. That is certainly all just kind of beat up something really stupid to like to read about.
• 39:46
  It's about like Leah Michelle has 12 nipples and we're like, yeah, we don't see much.
• 39:52
  It's true, really. It's yeah, yeah, I can see the 12 nipples. But no, so ultimately, this can
• 39:57
  be a little bit started with her like never she would open the card and she would show it to the person
• 40:05
  I don't know why you can read it. And so they became this repeated thing. And she wrote like a book
• 40:12
  when she was she wrote it. Just like Britney Spears wrote it. Hey, I like you book. Your
• 40:20
  friend is watching ghost road. She met it. Yeah, she did write that suit. She did write that. So she
• 40:26
  goes from a book ultimately. And it was like for 15 year olds. It was four in Gleets. It was
• 40:33
  four younger kids, but it was very, very simple. And then the next book that she wrote was a journal.
• 40:40
  And so there wasn't really anything. She played a strong journal. Yeah, it was just basically like
• 40:47
  drawn props. Oh god. So, you know, people were going down and they're all the dragon pearls.
• 40:53
  Yeah, people were going back and looking at these things and they were like, oh my god,
• 40:57
  and then you miss you. I can't read. Now what I do love about what Liam is on did. And I think this
• 41:02
  is the best way to say K. Oh, not a clown or K. I can read. Ultimately, was she leaned into it? And she
• 41:13
  did this thing where she went on and pretended to fake like redo. She was like, and then she just
• 41:20
  like, I believe saying that's really good. Well, and it was like a skit. I think that's what you need
• 41:26
  to do, right? Like I didn't mean to cut you up, but like that's exactly what you need to do. It's
• 41:31
  kind of lean into it. Kind of to make a side of it. Every morning, she's like, it's so shallow. And
• 41:38
  honestly, patriarchy, like back in the day when everyone was saying, he's spears had breasted
• 41:43
  plants at like 17. Yeah, she hosted SNL team. We're worried she had like, I actually can't believe
• 41:50
  everyone thinks I have food. You have food in plants and that she has like the little mechanical
• 41:54
  boobs going on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And look it up on YouTube. And you guys are too young for that.
• 42:00
  It's hilarious. I know this man in the back, he's already served your hands. Keep your hands
• 42:05
  right. I'm see. But like she's got this little mechanical bra for boobies dropping down. And then she
• 42:14
  goes, and people think I have lipstick. And then she starts kind of like, live down. So I think the
• 42:18
  best thing you can do is, yeah, it's a good job. And a good job. Like I only play like the more that you
• 42:25
  didn't know, something more it kind of seems true. Yeah. And ultimately is like the Barbara Streisand
• 42:34
  effect. And what they need to tell me what do you mean by that? You said that twice. Like yeah. So
• 42:39
  there is, I got to remember the exact like situation. But so someone wrote something about
• 42:45
  Barbara Streisand. And instead of ignoring it, she all on like was like, this isn't true. This
• 42:52
  never happened. And it became a much bigger story at the end of the day because she adamantly.
• 42:58
  She adamantly was like, oh, that didn't happen. All this stuff. And so it ended up being
• 43:04
  what she sued someone. And it became like a long-term story. And she was trying to like,
• 43:10
  review the facts of the story rather than just ultimately like letting it die and letting it,
• 43:16
  you know, fade into nothingness. Yeah. And then her mind, so you lady, I got to, is when she first
• 43:23
  started her career. And it was honestly like very transsobic. Like there was kind of this conspiracy
• 43:28
  theory that she, same as Sarah had a penis, right? And like everyone thought, oh, lady God doesn't
• 43:35
  remain. Yes. It was Sarah. Because she was right. Yeah. That's so, yeah. And you know, now that that's
• 43:42
  messed up, like it's just, it's transsobic to assume that like a woman, she must be a man because
• 43:49
  she's powerful. She's not spanked her eyes. She has that kind of stamina. And lady God got to this
• 43:55
  interview at Anderson Cooper where he goes, there's this very rather you have a penis. And she goes,
• 44:00
  so what if I do? Would that be so bad? And he's like most people would refute that. You will
• 44:08
  start with it. She's like, why the hell would it be? My son still care for his penis. Why am I good?
• 44:15
  And I don't know when I went away because she was like, if y'all think I have a dip in cool,
• 44:21
  I got a big old don't think. Sure. That's gonna be the elite vote that's nips. I think I'm gonna be
• 44:28
  in light of the time. But you know, she played around with it. She was like, who the hell cares about
• 44:37
  the penis? Yeah. I'm still talented. You all love my music. And that's the thing is like,
• 44:42
  and not that I'm a big lead Michelle saying, but like you kind of like, yeah, you have a
• 44:47
  little call release the album cover where he's on Abby wrote by himself with his shoes on. And he's,
• 44:53
  you know, in the more that you kind of play around with it, even beyond say, but um,
• 45:00
  God, I don't know what song she said. Like y'all quarry with that illuminati shit. Yeah.
• 45:06
  Yeah. Yeah. I think it's really interesting. I mean like a lot of the time it's it's fundraising on.
• 45:12
  Be like, wow, that sounds silly. Like these things are are so not rooted in reality. And then you look at,
• 45:20
  you know, Shana always, Shana and her husband always are like, oh my god, y'all, you are crazy.
• 45:25
  Oh my god. Out your ass. Out satiate in Hodo.
• 45:30
  Did Olivia tell you? I will say, yeah, I was like, after my own man, I used to say that, did he,
• 45:37
  you know, do a lot of the video was doing a lot of messed up things. Um, you have to just a beaver to,
• 45:45
  you know, uh, what's her name? Kevin C. I've had all these stories, you know, they say that about
• 45:53
  Jeffrey upstie and like, pedophile island where like all these things were very, very crazy. And it was
• 45:58
  like, wow, that's that so ridiculous. And then they ended up being true. So I think it's fun. Yeah.
• 46:05
  I think there's like a fine line, right? Where you have to think like, what is the truth of this?
• 46:10
  What is this societal like? Because obviously there's what chiefs at gate with like Hillary Clinton
• 46:17
  and that's such a bullshit, right? And like, but they'd have a very real impact to people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:23
  And there's things that like, there's conspiracy theories that you look back and you're like, oh, yeah,
• 46:27
  that's actually is a thing that need to worry about. But then there's something like this. Yeah, just
• 46:32
  silly beaver. She's a lot of married. Be if we only bevers to
• 46:39
  where Selena go, but it's not always that you know, it's funny. I love Selena. Go, man. So you do. I do. I do.
• 46:47
  I do. I do. I'm a strike bounce ice girl at the re that I think is the most fun is that um, Selena and
• 46:55
  Justin were bought or caught buying drugs on skid row. And there's an actual video evidence of you
• 47:02
  told me about that because Olivia tells me if I'm in this between these shit. She'll tell me like,
• 47:09
  I'll be at her house every time I go to Olivia's house. She puts on a record. It should stand there
• 47:15
  and be living. She's like, you only believe what I just read Sean and I'm like, what? What? I
• 47:21
  stress off to my boot and she's like, this is my new shit from the, the, the, it's from the blind items.
• 47:28
  And you said a cut, something about, Todd Selena and Justin. They're not trouble. Yes, it
• 47:37
  broke. And then I, and never in private video fault. I opened a post song called "Bad Zadlads"
• 47:43
  true. Yeah, I was in the video the other day of them. And I thought about you. I couldn't sleep. And
• 47:48
  I was like, I'm going to watch this video. And it was a fever and Selena. I think John's on.
• 47:55
  I wanted all the bill after you leave this conference room to go Selena Bieber on skid row. And it'll
• 48:03
  pull right up. And it's this guy from like MS 13 and he's like, is Bieber bevers in the hood?
• 48:13
  Okay, I will say it can be her. They were buying key chains. They were buying drugs. It is a never
• 48:20
  you miss where people go to buy drugs on skid row. First, you never see you. You never see the money.
• 48:27
  Are you out there? You're not sure. On skid row, I am a court person not going to skid row.
• 48:32
  I can't believe they're these little glass person and it's how they feel. And you wouldn't even
• 48:36
  be able to skid row. So neither would they. I don't know. Maybe they got chute. I'm just talking to you.
• 48:42
  They have no go to see. This is why we take all the conspiracy. There is people like Sean.
• 48:49
  Then you watched you watched and jog away. You did not. You watched and jog.
• 48:53
  Yeah. All right. Well, I know. I hope you guys all are like thinking about your favorite
• 49:00
  conspiracy theories right now. And I hope you all think that Palma Cartney is dead. Yes.
• 49:04
  And I hope you all think that it was John Lennon. To sell more Beatles records.
• 49:09
  Or that Taylor. No, Harry, who made a big act. Glitterman.
• 49:14
  He looked like his passenger princess. She had nothing to do.
• 49:17
  Yes. Yes. As a clever woman. She's perfect. I never would sing no more. He looks. They were done
• 49:22
  anything down to ever. And I know this and I love you. Let you at least. Yes. Thank you.
• 49:26
  Well, that's about it for this special live episode of the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
• 49:32
  Thank you all for being here with us at Phoenix fan fusion.
• 49:35
  Now before we all head back on to the floor, let's tell everyone where they can find us online.
• 49:41
  You can find me. Shauna Trinidad on Instagram and TikTok @shaunatrinidad S-H-A-U-N-A-T-R-I-I-D-A-D.
• 49:51
  And you find me Olivia on Instagram @livimariez L-I-V-I-M-A-R-I-E-Z.
• 49:59
  And you can find the Pop culture Jackie Podcast, social media links, and more on our website,
• 50:05
  poppulturejunkie.com. From there, you can find our podcast on all platforms. You can follow,
• 50:10
  subscribe, rate, review. You'll make us happy. You can tell us your favorite conspiracy theory.
• 50:15
  And then you can also check us on Patreon. We get a little more raw, we let Sean at cost.
• 50:25
  What do you love me? We do. I see your bad.
• 50:29
  You're no beeps. And you can find us on patreon.com/poppulturedduckypodcast.
• 50:35
  Take sure it's Olivia's fee. Not my fee. It's a picture.
• 50:38
  An unnamed friend of called.
• 50:40
  Pictures that need without like... You can bring them to our band.
• 50:43
  You can say you're Sean as broken. But we do have a lot of fee.
• 50:47
  My ex-ring picture.
• 50:48
  Yeah, not. Actually, it's for us normally not my deep ex. But if you follow us, we might let you have them.
• 50:54
  That's another conspiracy theory.
• 50:56
  To the particular, I'm asking you might DMs for so many pictures of my broken foot.
• 51:02
  Really?
• 51:02
  It's disgusting. 20 bucks. 20 bucks.
• 51:06
  I'm gonna start charging them.
• 51:08
  Yeah.
• 51:08
  Can you share me a video of you putting up the boom?
• 51:11
  I'm too. Wow. I'm sorry. I'm not even though it's disgusting.
• 51:15
  That's a real on-sense.
• 51:16
  At least you're a bit on and then take it off real slow.
• 51:19
  That's a conspiracy theory.
• 51:23
  No.
• 51:23
  Sean is on. That's taking space.
• 51:27
  Keep telling if you're doing amazing.
• 51:30
  Make a feel.
• 51:31
  And come back next week for another hit of pop culture.
• 51:39
  The Pop Culture Junkie podcast is produced by Jeff Markin and Cheryl Lightfoot
• 51:43
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