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Tech Friday with Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 7/10/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: It's six thirty if if you have KCD talk station,
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  Speaker 1: it's Friday, n YEA for that. It just means it's
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  Speaker 1: time for tech Friday with Dave Adder. Dave Hatter is
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  Speaker 1: the man behind interest it Final Online at interest it
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  Speaker 1: LinkedIn dot com. So worthy to follow him. And thank
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  Speaker 1: you for you, Dave Hatter and interest I the great
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  Speaker 1: dist out there turn the business couriers independently evaluated. Your
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  Speaker 1: company is the best in the business for business computer needs.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't thank you enough for doing the service
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  Speaker 1: you do to the community by coming on this show
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  Speaker 1: and raising red flags and warning us about the perils
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  Speaker 1: of what's going on in the world. Good to have
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  Speaker 1: you back on, Dave.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always my pleasure, Brian. And it's sadly we
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  Speaker 2: never run out of top No, we don't. Ten twelve
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  Speaker 2: years and there's never never a dath of topic.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe we can get my company iHeart to hire
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  Speaker 1: you and sort out our computer problems. Because apparently they
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  Speaker 1: are on go all week. We've been struggling with this anyway,
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  Speaker 1: pivoting over what are we starting out with, because we're
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  Speaker 1: having struggles getting the list of topics over here this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that, to see them, my stuff didn't
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  Speaker 2: get through. So here's a good one for you. The
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  Speaker 2: FBI recently warned about bank stooping scams and this. You know,
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  Speaker 2: anytime you have an agency like the FBI warrned about something,
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  Speaker 2: I strongly strongly encourage people to pay attention to this
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  Speaker 2: warnings because keep in mind, there's all kinds of cybercrime
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  Speaker 2: going on out there all the time, and another good
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  Speaker 2: topic would be lack of prosecution of these crimes. But
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  Speaker 2: when you have an agency like the FBI warn't about this,
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  Speaker 2: it means that they've seen it a lot. I'd remind
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  Speaker 2: all your listeners. The FBI loves a separate website. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: there's FBI dot gov because as separate website called the
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  Speaker 2: Internet Crime Complaint Center i S three dot gov Indigo
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  Speaker 2: charge number three dot gov where you can go and
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  Speaker 2: report any sort of cyber fraud as well as get
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  Speaker 2: PSA's tips like what we're talking about here. So it's
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  Speaker 2: a good site to keep tucked away, to visit it
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  Speaker 2: occasionally see what they're saying out there. And again, if
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  Speaker 2: you find yourself a potential victim of a crime like
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  Speaker 2: what I'm about to explain here, go there and report it.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the ways they learn about these things
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  Speaker 2: and are then able to put out warnings like this
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  Speaker 2: bank spoofing thing, And it gets to the heartbrind of
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  Speaker 2: something we have talked about many times, the idea of
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  Speaker 2: spoofing or illegitimate digital content. Right, it looks real to
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  Speaker 2: the naked eye. It could be an email, it could
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  Speaker 2: be a text message, it could be a phone call,
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  Speaker 2: but unfortunately the source is being hidden behind something that
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  Speaker 2: makes it look legit. So you get an email from
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  Speaker 2: your bank, quote unquote, but it's not really from your bank.
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  Speaker 2: Right in this case, they're saying, because it's so easy
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  Speaker 2: to spoof a phone number, to make a phone number
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  Speaker 2: appear in a text message or for a voice call
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  Speaker 2: that is not the number the call is coming from.
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  Speaker 2: So people that are getting calls that appear to come
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  Speaker 2: from their bank. One woman in the USA article that
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  Speaker 2: I tried to send you says she lost forty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: You know, she got a call the number appeared to
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  Speaker 2: be from a bank. She apparently was unaware that this
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  Speaker 2: could be a thing. And as as I've said so
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  Speaker 2: many times on here, these are professional con artists that
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  Speaker 2: are just using technology to get to you. Right. They
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  Speaker 2: will tell you whatever lie they need to say. If
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  Speaker 2: you answer the phone and you know, take the first
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  Speaker 2: bite on that hook, they'll tell you whatever they need
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  Speaker 2: to say. They'll in many cases have information about you
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  Speaker 2: that has been leaked or stolen through all the data
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  Speaker 2: breaches we've talked about over the years, so they know
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  Speaker 2: it might be random, but they may know what bank
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  Speaker 2: you use. They may know that bank's some numbers because
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  Speaker 2: they can look it up online. So they call you
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  Speaker 2: from a spoof number. It looks like filling the blank bank,
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  Speaker 2: a fifth third Republic bank, whatever, And then you know,
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  Speaker 2: they immediately start lying trying to convince you to do
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  Speaker 2: things like transfer your money to a secure account or something.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a real problem. An FBI warning about it
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  Speaker 2: understands of any text message, any phone call you get,
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  Speaker 2: just because the number either A comes to their area code,
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  Speaker 2: that's called neighbor spoofing. To make it more likely your
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  Speaker 2: answer or B comes from what appears to be the
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  Speaker 2: number of a legitimate agency does not mean it's real.
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  Speaker 2: In a case like this, hang up the phone. Think
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  Speaker 2: about it, Brian and all you are listening on how
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  Speaker 2: many times has your bank called you?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, I think I have.
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  Speaker 1: I have been at least they try to make me
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  Speaker 1: a victim of the same thing. I have my old
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  Speaker 1: I have two different banks. I of course Share Facts
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  Speaker 1: Credit Union, which I strongly recommend. I do speak for them,
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  Speaker 1: but I love banking with share Facts. But I still
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  Speaker 1: have my old Fifth Third account, that account that I
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  Speaker 1: opened I was eight years old, and my wife and
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  Speaker 1: I are joined on that one as well. I have
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  Speaker 1: been getting a call almost once every week, maybe a
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  Speaker 1: little bit less than that, from someone purporting to be
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  Speaker 1: with Fifth Third B I never answered the phone, but
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  Speaker 1: talking about how I need to move my money into
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  Speaker 1: a different account so I can make more interest or
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  Speaker 1: earn more interest. Now, this may be a legitimate call,
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  Speaker 1: but I've never returned the call, and nor have I
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  Speaker 1: ever picked the phone up. It does say Fifth Third Bank,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't believe it because of you, Dave. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with where my money is right now, so
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  Speaker 1: I have no reason to take him up on whatever
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  Speaker 1: offer he's trying to sell me. But I don't believe him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the right approach, don't, Dave. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would advise, so never answer any call you don't recognize.
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  Speaker 2: I'll leave a message if it's important, and that they
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  Speaker 2: don't it's not important. But I understand. You know, even
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  Speaker 2: if they leave a message, even if it looks like
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  Speaker 2: a no number, you can't just assume that is correct.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in your case, Brian, if I were you
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  Speaker 2: and that were fifth Third quote unquote calling me, I
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  Speaker 2: would go log into my fifth third account, or I
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  Speaker 2: would get a fifth Third bank statement, or I would
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  Speaker 2: go to the known fifth third website get a number,
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  Speaker 2: and I would call them and say, Hey, I'm getting
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  Speaker 2: a call that clean to be from you. This is
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  Speaker 2: what they're telling me. Is this legit? Yeah? You Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: you cannot trust. You must verify, especially if it involves money.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, period, end of the story. That's my mantra, Buddy.
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  Speaker 1: I learned it from you, and I live it every
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  Speaker 1: day in my life. Don't go away more with tech
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the next topic, Brian, I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: an excellent write up from tech Target, the tech Wornium magazine.
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  Speaker 2: But this guy did a pretty good detailed explanation of
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  Speaker 2: why the sort of crimes that we just talked about
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  Speaker 2: are mostly on prosecute. You know, I hear that from
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  Speaker 2: people all the time. Well, Dave, you know you're always
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  Speaker 2: warning about these things. You're talking about these things and
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  Speaker 2: these things. Why how is this allowed to continue? And
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  Speaker 2: you know, first off, and our everyday lives, everything is
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  Speaker 2: digital now, everything is smart quote unquote, which is another
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  Speaker 2: separate concern we'll get to in the next segment that
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about many times before. So there's there's never
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  Speaker 2: been more attack vectors for bad people to get to you, right, email, text, phone, call,
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  Speaker 2: social media, you name it. Everything is digital, Everyone is online,
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  Speaker 2: everyone is using these tools, so it's it's never been
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  Speaker 2: easier to find you. You know, think about it, like
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  Speaker 2: when you and I were kids, Brian, how would some
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  Speaker 2: criminal and pick any third world country even though that
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  Speaker 2: you existed exactly mus much less have a way to
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  Speaker 2: reach out to you specifically, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Those in the days of facts machines, when you get
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  Speaker 1: a random fact about some smally dissident who had millions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars that wanted to transfer a bank of money
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  Speaker 1: into your bank account.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just make sure you call them right back
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  Speaker 2: and get that bank account some broth exactly. So that's
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  Speaker 2: part of it. And then another part of it is,
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  Speaker 2: as we just discussed a little bit in the last segment,
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  Speaker 2: your data is everywhere now. Everything collects your data. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: is selling your data. Your data has intrinsic value in it.
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  Speaker 2: The apps on your phone, your car, your smart devices,
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  Speaker 2: your computer. You know you're being tracked all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying that's necessarily nefarious. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: that is the nature of the surveillance. Capitalis a model
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  Speaker 2: that powers all of this stuff. You know, the stuff
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  Speaker 2: is not free. They are making money off of your data.
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  Speaker 2: So your data is everywhere. It's being bought and sold
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  Speaker 2: all the time, and as a result, frequently leaked. I
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  Speaker 2: mean either bad people you know, put up a legitimate,
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  Speaker 2: appearing front to buy it, or they just get it
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  Speaker 2: from a dark web source or something where it's been
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  Speaker 2: stolen and you know, put out for purses. So that's
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  Speaker 2: part of it. So they haven't they've never been more
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  Speaker 2: easy ways to get to you. They had information about
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  Speaker 2: you that they can use to try to target you
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  Speaker 2: and then to convince you whatever sort of scam they're
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  Speaker 2: running on you is legit, right, So that's all in
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  Speaker 2: their favor. And then you throw into the fact into
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  Speaker 2: the mix that so much of this stuff is coming
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  Speaker 2: from offshore. Yes, there are criminals in the United States
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  Speaker 2: doing this stuff, but the vast majority of this is
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  Speaker 2: coming from countries where there's no extradition policy. So once
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  Speaker 2: someone finally determines they've been defrauded, in many cases, they
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  Speaker 2: won't report it. They're ashamed, they're embarrassed, which I get,
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  Speaker 2: although I would encourage folks to report this stuff. But understand,
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  Speaker 2: even if you do report it again IC three dot gov,
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  Speaker 2: your local law enforcement a they may not have the
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  Speaker 2: resources to do much about it, but at least by
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  Speaker 2: reporting it, especially if it's some novel new attack, you're
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  Speaker 2: doing all the rest of us as favor, so people
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  Speaker 2: can be warned about it, so that there's value in
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  Speaker 2: reporting these crimes even if nothing can or will be
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  Speaker 2: done about it. You know, the bad guys know that
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  Speaker 2: local police certainly don't have the resources to come after
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  Speaker 2: this stuff, and even the FBI a there's an enormous
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  Speaker 2: volume of it. If you go look at Internet Crimecomplaint
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  Speaker 2: Center dot gov and look at the FBI's annual report,
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  Speaker 2: which is a great resource to Brian for folks to
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  Speaker 2: understand what's actually happening out there. Every year they'll put
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  Speaker 2: out a report. Last year's report hit new records in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the money stolen and the sheer volume of
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  Speaker 2: crimes that were reported to them. So, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: bad guys know all these things. They know that if
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  Speaker 2: they're in a foreign country, even if there's an extradition policy,
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  Speaker 2: unless and until they reach a very very large volume
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  Speaker 2: of crime. You know, they managed to get on the
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  Speaker 2: FBI's radar lego ransomware gang or something, they're probably not
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  Speaker 2: going to be prosecuted. But certainly if they're in Russia
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  Speaker 2: or China or any other country that has no extradition policy,
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  Speaker 2: unless somehow they do something that would rise to the
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  Speaker 2: level where that country decides they want to come after them,
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  Speaker 2: they're really untouchable. And until people wake up and realize that,
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately this is the nature of our world now and
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  Speaker 2: are super skeptical and trust nothing and verify everything, these
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  Speaker 2: kinds of crimes are going to continue. There's really no
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  Speaker 2: way to prosecute these folks, so there's no real distancedive
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  Speaker 2: and you know, it's on us to protect ourselves. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: yes it is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine how how many prosecutors you'd
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  Speaker 1: have to head if they could go after these with
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  Speaker 1: all the tens of thousands, if not millions, of potential
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  Speaker 1: claims that would be inundating the prosecutor's.
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  Speaker 2: Office, It would be that's that's an excellent point. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you look at the sheer set of law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: officials that would be available to capture and prosecute these people.
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  Speaker 2: You know, to your point I did even mention the
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  Speaker 2: prosecution side, it would be insane the amount of number
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  Speaker 2: of you would need to go after these folks and
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  Speaker 2: put them in jail. Where would you put him in jail?
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  Speaker 2: The jails would be full, because I mean, there are
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  Speaker 2: criminal gangs out there doing this, but there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of just one off stuff of people in another country
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  Speaker 2: that are savvy enough to realize they can reach you
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  Speaker 2: and run some romance scams. It's so much of this
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  Speaker 2: stuff is not sophisticated technical attacks on your firewalls and
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  Speaker 2: all this sort of you know, wizardry type stuff you
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  Speaker 2: see in the movies. A lot of it is just
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  Speaker 2: old school scams and fraud con artists who are using
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  Speaker 2: this technology to reach people and steal whatever money they can.
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  Speaker 1: Sadly, every week the same thing. It's a sad state
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  Speaker 1: of affairs. That's reality, and that we need you every
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  Speaker 1: week to remind us of this sad reality. It's six
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  Speaker 1: efty two if anybot care CV talks station Happy Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Congress and Winstrip or former Congress and Winstrop just arrived
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  Speaker 1: at the door. Dany's going to go let him in.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talking to him in the next hour. In the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter one more segment Interest it dot Com to
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  Speaker 1: find Dave. Dave what else we talking about? As we
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  Speaker 1: roll up the most recent segment here of Tech Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this laughs one is kind of hair raising,
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  Speaker 2: but it's something we've talked about before. I've been trying
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  Speaker 2: to raise awareness about for a long time. So it's
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  Speaker 2: an article from Chief Security Officer magazine, but they're quoting
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  Speaker 2: the head of the US Australian Intelligence Service, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think the Australian version of n Essa and paraphrasing here,
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  Speaker 2: but he basically says that you can't overstate after they
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  Speaker 2: recently discovered. They don't say what country some country has
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  Speaker 2: infiltrated various networks in telecom, power, grid, water and the
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  Speaker 2: sort of thing we've talked about people are critical infrastructure
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  Speaker 2: and the actual threat to life there. They actually categorize
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  Speaker 2: it as too into two buckets, threat to life and
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  Speaker 2: threat the way of life. And again people can go
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  Speaker 2: find this article for themselves. I'll post it later, but
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  Speaker 2: you know he's standing straight up there's a threat to
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  Speaker 2: their way of life and way and life in particular,
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  Speaker 2: because what do you think is going to happen in
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  Speaker 2: our incredibly digital society, as I've just named in the
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  Speaker 2: last segment if the power is offering extended period of time.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I think it's hard for people to
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  Speaker 2: understand that there's an FBI sponsored agency called Infraguard. It's
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  Speaker 2: a public private partnership. So it's kind of set up
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  Speaker 2: and I will loosely say overseen by the FBI and
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  Speaker 2: designed for civilians to get involved, to learn about this
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  Speaker 2: sort of stuff and share this information. You know, in
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  Speaker 2: both directions, Hey I heard a thing I saw saying
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  Speaker 2: FBI you should know about this, or FBI coming to
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  Speaker 2: people like me and others that belong to Infra Guard
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  Speaker 2: and saying, hey, this is what we're seeing out there.
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  Speaker 2: War your clients, warn your family that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: There the Los Angeles chapter of Intra Guard. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, just for anyone that's interested in this and
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  Speaker 2: has some critical infrastructure knowledge and expertise, there is a
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati Infraguard chapter. I would encourage people to check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Just search for Infraguard I in f R A g
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  Speaker 2: Ard you'll find the Cincinnati chapter. In fact, another one
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  Speaker 2: of my Intrust colleagues is the local president. You know,
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  Speaker 2: get involved. We'll take all the help we can get.
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  Speaker 2: But all that said, the Los Angeles Infraguard chapter, this
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  Speaker 2: coming week is doing a virtual conference which I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to called Black Skies and it's all about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: our critical digital infrastructure. And I say, because everything is
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  Speaker 2: digital now and trying to make sure it's resilient. So
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  Speaker 2: whether it's a nation state attack by a foreign adversary
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  Speaker 2: like you know, the Chinese Communist Party, Russia, Iran, whomever,
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  Speaker 2: or it's an electromagnetic pulse event that knocks it out,
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  Speaker 2: or even a solar flare. I don't I can't recall
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  Speaker 2: you and I talking about this, Brian. Have we ever
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  Speaker 2: discuss the Carrington event? Oh, I've been honos lately.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the solar flare in the eighteen hundreds that
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  Speaker 1: destroyed the entire forests and then fried all the telegraph
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  Speaker 1: lines at the time.
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  Speaker 2: It did if folks look into it, it not only
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  Speaker 2: set some of the telegraph wires on fire, it blew
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  Speaker 2: out the workstation, shocked some of the people operating it.
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  Speaker 2: So that was like eighteen fifty nine, if I remember correctly.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine what would happen if a solar flare like that
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  Speaker 2: hit the world today. The good news is, Brian, the
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  Speaker 2: good news is there are people paying attention to this.
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  Speaker 2: There are people talking about this. But if you read again, now,
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  Speaker 2: this is not David opinion. This is the leader of
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  Speaker 2: the Australian intelligence community warning that, you know, their entire
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  Speaker 2: society could collapse because of some sort of event that
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  Speaker 2: he's focused more on the cyber angle of it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we've seen the FBI and DHS warn in the United
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  Speaker 2: States of infiltration into our telecom networks and infiltration into
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  Speaker 2: other critical infrastructure sector where at some point some adversarial
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  Speaker 2: nation state actors to potentially flip the switch and turn
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  Speaker 2: the stuff off or at least impact its ability to
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  Speaker 2: operate even if it's not entirely switched off. So this
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  Speaker 2: gets back to my recurring theme where I'm beating the
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  Speaker 2: drum constantly to anyone that will listen. In the United States,
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  Speaker 2: we must get serious about protecting our critical infrastructure, otherwise
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  Speaker 2: at some point it's going to go down. Doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: to be a cyber attack, could be electromagnetic pulse attack,
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  Speaker 2: could be solar flare, could just be bad software. If
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  Speaker 2: you remember Brian a few years ago CrowdStrike, they put
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  Speaker 2: out a software update for their im to use this
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  Speaker 2: term lose the anti virus product that break millions of
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  Speaker 2: computers around the world for some period of time, so
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  Speaker 2: as we rely more and more on this stuff, you
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  Speaker 2: know it's not like the good old days. Well your
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  Speaker 2: call your car was unlikely to be knocked out by
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  Speaker 2: any MP attack because it really didn't have many electronics
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  Speaker 2: in it. Where now you know the whole thing is
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  Speaker 2: basically a rolling computers watching your every.
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  Speaker 1: Move, all subject to these attacks as well as the
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  Speaker 1: pulses you're referring to the solar flares. Lots to be
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  Speaker 1: frightened about, but out of my hands. And of course
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  Speaker 1: your plea is to those in charge of dealing with
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  Speaker 1: security and infrastructure. Please, Dear God listen to Dave. We
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  Speaker 1: do and take him seriously. Every Friday, yere on the
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  Speaker 1: fifty five KRCY Morning Show, Dave of them out two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: I got two weeks of vacation. I know you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be around, but I will look forward to talking
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  Speaker 1: with you when I get back, and you'll enjoy conversations
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  Speaker 1: with I think it's Gary Jeff Walker coming up and
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: filling in for me next week. I do appreciate you,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and you're sponsoring the segment. Interest it dot com. Find
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Davi at LinkedIn dot com. Get the articles he's referring to,
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  Speaker 1: and Dave, I look forward to having you back on
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  Speaker 1: the show when I get back. Keep up the great work,
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  Speaker 1: my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Brian, always my pleasure, and enjoy your vacation.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks brother, I'll try. I'm looking at him former Congressman
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Brad Winstrom, now with the Hudson Institute, among other things.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: We have lots to go over with Brad Winstrom coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go away.