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Dylan Redwine's dad charged with murdering son during court-ordered visit · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: A little boy goes missing, a massive search ensues today
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  Speaker 1: the bombshell discovery that will forever change the course of
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  Speaker 1: this investigation. I'm talking about a little boy named Dylan.
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  Speaker 1: It was Thanksgiving twenty twelve. Thirteen year old budding athlete
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  Speaker 1: Dylan red Wine was visiting his dad Mark at his
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  Speaker 1: house in the San Juan Mountains of southwest Colorado. It
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  Speaker 1: was a court ordered visit. Dylan's mom and dad went
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  Speaker 1: through a contentious divorce. Mark says his son was sleeping
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  Speaker 1: when he went off to run some errands, and when
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  Speaker 1: he returned, Dylan was gone. Hundreds of volunteers search for
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  Speaker 1: the little boy, but Dylan was never found. My focus
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  Speaker 1: right now is focusing on Dylan and what he needs
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  Speaker 1: from us to help find him. You were hearing our
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  Speaker 1: friends at crime Watch Daily, but take a listen to Kaot.
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  Speaker 1: Mark red Wine spoke with me at a video store
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  Speaker 1: in Bayfield, which is now turned into the hub for
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  Speaker 1: search volunteers. Flyers of Dylan are here for residents to
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  Speaker 1: pick up and pass out. Red Wine says he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been able to sleep since the sun vanished from his
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  Speaker 1: home twelve days ago. It's been a tough time. For
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  Speaker 1: all of us. I know, I know that it's been
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  Speaker 1: difficult on me, and I can only imagine how difficult
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  Speaker 1: it's been for his mom and his brother and his family.
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  Speaker 1: This community is shell shocked. I mean they are heartsick.
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  Speaker 1: Store owner Denise hass is a close friend of Dylan's mother, Elaine.
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  Speaker 1: She says, in the beginning of the search, social media
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  Speaker 1: helped efforts gain momentum. We did have a huge momentum
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  Speaker 1: as soon as it got out, the community immediately came
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  Speaker 1: together because that's how we roll in this community. You know,
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  Speaker 1: one of our or a tight community in and they
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  Speaker 1: were out in force and they're like, what can we do?
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  Speaker 1: What can we do? Post it notes all over a
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  Speaker 1: map of Bayfield and by zet Show, where volunteers posted
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  Speaker 1: flyers and went door to door. She says, there's still
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  Speaker 1: a core team of about a dozen, but I think
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  Speaker 1: people are starting to lose a little bit of hope.
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  Speaker 1: You were hearing our friend Anna Velasquez speaking to Dylan's mom,
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  Speaker 1: and she is joining us here today. Let me introduce
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  Speaker 1: you our all star panel with me renowned criminal defense
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  Speaker 1: attorney Troy Slayton joining me out of La Doctor Angela
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  Speaker 1: Arnold psychiatrists from the Atlanta Jurisdiction, and you can find
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  Speaker 1: her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Professor Forensics, jacksonal
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  Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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  Speaker 1: and also the star of a brand new series on
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  Speaker 1: the True Crime Network, Poisonous. A Liaisons with Me from
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  Speaker 1: Fox twenty one Colorado Springs Lauren Sharf, and very special
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  Speaker 1: guest Dylan's mother, Elaine Hall. So let me understand the
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  Speaker 1: timeline first. To you, Lauren Sharf. Dylan is staying with
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  Speaker 1: his dad. The parents are divorced and the dad has
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  Speaker 1: court ordered visits every so often as is normal. He's
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  Speaker 1: with his dad. It's November eighteen. Dad says he left
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  Speaker 1: home to do Aaron's seven thirty a m. November nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: The next morning. Dylan is then reported soon after on
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  Speaker 1: November nineteen. What time was Dylan reported missing? Lauren Sharf,
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  Speaker 1: Dylan's mom reported her son missing at five thirty to
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  Speaker 1: Laquata County Sheriff's office, five thirty November nineteen. Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I see a big gap, a very big gap
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  Speaker 1: in the timeline right there, because Lauren Sharf Dad goes
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  Speaker 1: to run Aaron seven thirty am. Didn't want to wake
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  Speaker 1: Dylon up. But what time does Dad get home from Aaron's.
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  Speaker 1: It was around one or so and he supposedly called
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  Speaker 1: the Bayfield Marshal's office after if you know anyone has
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  Speaker 1: seen that. I thought he took a nap file. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he took a nap on so he wakes up from
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  Speaker 1: the nap around one thirty. So let me clarify the timeline.
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  Speaker 1: Dylan with Dad November eighteen, He spends a night November nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Dad goes running Aaron seven thirty am. Dad gets back
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  Speaker 1: from Aaron's. Don't know if he saw Dylan at that
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  Speaker 1: point or not, but I know the Dad takes a nap.
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  Speaker 1: Dad wakes up around one thirty, sees Dylan is not there.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand something to Elaine Hall, this is
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  Speaker 1: Dylan's mother, Why did you turn up to be the
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  Speaker 1: one who reports him missing. You're not even on the scene.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're missing him, but you're not there. Why
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  Speaker 1: did you have to report him missing? Well? Mark tested
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  Speaker 1: me at about five thirty on November nineteenth and asked
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  Speaker 1: me if i I'd heard or seen Dylan, and of
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  Speaker 1: course I freaked out and said, no, you know, wh
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  Speaker 1: whoa whoa you're giving me. It's making my head hurt.
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  Speaker 1: So Dylan is with dad and how far away did
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  Speaker 1: dad live from you? About six hours away. So he
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  Speaker 1: calls you and says, have you seen Dylan? I mean
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  Speaker 1: he's just turned thirteen. He can't drive back home. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And he he texted me right as I was driving
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  Speaker 1: home from work. So I called Laclota County, the Bayfield
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff's department, and told him Dylan was missing. And then
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  Speaker 1: me and my son Corey got in a car and
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  Speaker 1: drove the six hours and ended up in Bayfield at
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  Speaker 1: about one o'clock in the morning. Oh my stars, I
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  Speaker 1: cannot even imagine what was going through your head. I remember, Elane,
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  Speaker 1: the children were supposed to go ice skating at Rockefeller Center.
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  Speaker 1: So I got them bathed, in bed, everything, and I
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  Speaker 1: called my mom and my dad had taken a horrible
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  Speaker 1: turn and they were talking about putting him on life support.
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  Speaker 1: I got the shoulder down on the sidewalk immediately and
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  Speaker 1: close over their pj's trying to hel a cab at
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  Speaker 1: midnight to get back home. That ordeal, trying to get
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  Speaker 1: home to my dad was just like this horrible nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: What was going through your mind as you were trying
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  Speaker 1: to get on the scene where Dylan goes missing. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I obviously I kept reaching out to him on his
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  Speaker 1: cell phone, and it was really dishurting when he didn't
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  Speaker 1: contact me, because Dylan would have contacted me. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you're going through something like this, really trying not
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  Speaker 1: to lose hope, but your mind it does wonder and
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  Speaker 1: you think the worst of circumstances. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: you know he was with his father. Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was not like he was with the stranger or
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  Speaker 1: somebody I didn't know. He was with his father. Imagine Elaine,
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  Speaker 1: Dylan's mother driving through the night, getting on the scene
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  Speaker 1: at one am in the morning, trying to find her boy.
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  Speaker 1: The age of my son and daughter right now, take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Rick Salinger at CBS for Denver.
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  Speaker 1: Laine and Mark red Wine were married for eighteen years.
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  Speaker 1: They had two boys during that time. We obtained the
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  Speaker 1: the voice papers and found they were going through a
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  Speaker 1: custody battle when Dylan disappeared. The boy had flown to
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  Speaker 1: Southwest Colorado to be with his father. When he was
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  Speaker 1: last seen alive. My ex wife and I both agreed
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  Speaker 1: that Dylan's not the kind of kid that would run away,
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  Speaker 1: but I also think that there is a possibility that
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  Speaker 1: Dylan was torn ex parents. Dylan disappeared November eighteenth, two twelve.
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  Speaker 1: A massive and long search took place centered around fellow
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  Speaker 1: Cita Lake and Bayfield, Colorado. Attentions are very high between
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  Speaker 1: all of us, specifically with mom and my older son
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  Speaker 1: Corey and myself. Well, I guess, so he comes to
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  Speaker 1: your house and he hasn't even been there twenty four hours,
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  Speaker 1: and he goes missing for Pete's sake, and even with
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  Speaker 1: the best efforts, Dylan has not been found. Clime stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, again, thank you for being with
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  Speaker 1: us as we delve into the circumstances regarding the disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of a young boy, Dylan red Wine and in the
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  Speaker 1: last hours bombshell evidence that will affect the course of
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  Speaker 1: this investigation. Take a listen to Mark red Wine and Elaine.
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  Speaker 1: So you get back at eleven thirty and he's gone, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so you just lay down to take a nap. Well,
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  Speaker 1: no that when I got back at eleven thirty, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't think much of Dylan not being there. I mean
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  Speaker 1: he knows the area. He's been up to my house
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  Speaker 1: many times. There's a campground at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: road that's not right by the river, which he tends
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  Speaker 1: to go up to every now and then. There's a
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  Speaker 1: bridge right down the street where it crosses over the river,
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  Speaker 1: which he's been known to hang out before. There's a
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  Speaker 1: rock wall that's right directly behind my house that he's
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  Speaker 1: been known to go stomping around in the woods back there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it didn't I didn't find it odd that
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't sitting there waiting for me in November, Man November,
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  Speaker 1: and you sent him. You sent him without a coat. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Right there, you see mom and dad arguing with each
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  Speaker 1: other with doctor Phil in the middle of the whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: and Mom says, you weren't worried he went out in
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  Speaker 1: November in Colorado, and he immediately says that, well, you're
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  Speaker 1: the one that sent him without a coat. Okay to you.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan, Professor forensic Jackson State University. The weather
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  Speaker 1: was very very cold. See, you have children just like me,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott. And here's the difference. If I came home
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  Speaker 1: and I could not find one of the twins, I
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  Speaker 1: would know that was very wrong and immediately reported them missing.
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  Speaker 1: If my husband came in, he probably wouldn't even check
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  Speaker 1: to see if the twins were in their room. He'd
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  Speaker 1: probably just assume everything was okay. So, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: to you, Joe Scott. The temperature Colorado November, probably in
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  Speaker 1: the thirties or forties. What can that do to someone? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it can drive you into hypothermia. You know, our standard
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  Speaker 1: body tipture is ninety eight point six, and you know
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  Speaker 1: it varies from person to person. But the problem is this,
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  Speaker 1: when you start to dip down below in the environmental conditions,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of dictate this, it'll drive down your
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  Speaker 1: core body temperature. And when this begins to happen, you
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  Speaker 1: have your systems begin to shut down. You'll get things
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  Speaker 1: like you'll have people to become disoriented. Uh, they become
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  Speaker 1: dehydrated really quickly if you don't get water to them. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: You'll you'll have people that will go into a multi
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  Speaker 1: system shut down. Not to mention, you know, things like
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  Speaker 1: deepend and find how cold it is. H You'll you'll
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  Speaker 1: have an awareness that our lack of awareness that you're
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  Speaker 1: losing sensitivity. And one of the big striking things is
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  Speaker 1: in that exchange that you heard just a moment ago.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he says that, well you didn't sit anywhere, like, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're aware that he didn't have a coach, So
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing about it? He's in your care. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Right over to Costco or Target or a Walmart and
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  Speaker 1: get a jacket. Won't cost you forty dollars to get
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  Speaker 1: a jacket? Um, you know to daughter Angela Arld renowned
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  Speaker 1: psychiatrists jointing me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela
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  Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com, Doctor Angie, question, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: have the problem when a parent isn't worried when their
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  Speaker 1: child's gone and they don't know where the child went.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't problem with that myself. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to stereotype, but let me just go ahead and stereotype.
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  Speaker 1: Moms may see it differently than dads, or one parent
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  Speaker 1: may see it differently than the other parent. One parent
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  Speaker 1: may not be worried. Also, yeah, I completely agree with
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  Speaker 1: you about that too. That's that's where the problem was.
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  Speaker 1: So then I guess the little boy didn't come back
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  Speaker 1: to them. The daddy finally did start to worry. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he worried, he worried, but he didn't call police. It's mom,
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  Speaker 1: Elaine Hall, six hours later that finally reports him missing.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me, Lauren Sharp Fox twenty one, Colorado Springs. Tell
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  Speaker 1: me about the search for Dylan red Wine. Everything as
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  Speaker 1: far as divers were deployed, searchers, dogs, everything, you name it,
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  Speaker 1: were searching for a Dylan. To Elaine Hall, this is
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  Speaker 1: Dylan's mother. Those hours must have been excruciating for you
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  Speaker 1: as you get there at one am. When you got
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  Speaker 1: to the scene at one am, what happened, Eline, Well,
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  Speaker 1: we met with the Bayfield Marshal, sat in his office
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  Speaker 1: for a bit, and then we drove up to Vice too,
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  Speaker 1: you know, basically just looking doing whatever we could do.
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  Speaker 1: We felt so helpless. All the lights in mark House
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  Speaker 1: were off. He was nowhere in sight, so we just
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  Speaker 1: assumed he was sleeping, and then we came back down
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  Speaker 1: to Bayfield. It's about it's about all about a half
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  Speaker 1: hour to forty five minute drive from Vice to to Bayfield,
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  Speaker 1: and Bayfield is kind of the big hub of that area.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next morning we start all over again,
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  Speaker 1: drive back up to Bayfield. I went into the searching
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  Speaker 1: rescue office, and it was really disheartening because they kept
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  Speaker 1: claiming him as a runaway, and I kept saying, he's
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  Speaker 1: not a runaway. He did not run away. If he
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  Speaker 1: ran away, he would have called me. And so that
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  Speaker 1: I think that really put a damper on the search
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  Speaker 1: because they, you know, they were kind of disregarding and
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  Speaker 1: they were searching up behind Mark's house and there was
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  Speaker 1: a job or running up there, and they kept saying
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  Speaker 1: that was Dylan, and then it turned out not to
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  Speaker 1: be Dylan, And I don't know, I was very frustrated
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  Speaker 1: in the very beginning from how this search started and
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  Speaker 1: all this time, you know, he's not a runaway to you,
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  Speaker 1: Troy Slaton criminal defense attorney joining me out of la Troy,
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  Speaker 1: neither defense or prosecution. Let me ask you a question.
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  Speaker 1: This really burns me up. So often when tweens, you know,
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  Speaker 1: eleven twelve and then thirteen fourteen, and teens go missing,
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  Speaker 1: the up cops always say at the beginning, it's a runaway,
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  Speaker 1: and here there was no evidence at all that there was.
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  Speaker 1: He was a runaway nothing, and cops lose valuable time
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  Speaker 1: searching because they just assume it's a runaway. Well, here,
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  Speaker 1: the boy's father, who he was staying with, didn't think
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  Speaker 1: much of him not being at home either. He was
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  Speaker 1: known to play at the in the area behind the house.
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  Speaker 1: Down the road there's a campground where he would often
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  Speaker 1: go play as well, So this was nothing unusual for
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  Speaker 1: a thirteen year old boy who's familiar with the area.
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  Speaker 1: He's been at his father's house many times to go
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  Speaker 1: out and play. But now we're learning the temperature was
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine degrees. That doesn't sound like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: fun to me. Troy s lytton playing outside in twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine degree weather without a coat. Kids go out and
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  Speaker 1: play in the cold. Kids go out and play in
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  Speaker 1: the snows drew internalne degree weather without a coat and
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  Speaker 1: stay gone. You let them do that because if you
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  Speaker 1: say yes, I'm reporting you to defects. Well, if he
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  Speaker 1: didn't see him go out, how does he know exactly
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  Speaker 1: what he was wearing at the dead he knew he'd
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  Speaker 1: met without a coat, Troy, we just established that what
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  Speaker 1: type of person would you know? Well, that makes me
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  Speaker 1: think about what he's coming to visit his father. They
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  Speaker 1: know what type of weather it is, wouldn't he he
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  Speaker 1: came in through an airport. Wouldn't he have brought the
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  Speaker 1: appropriate luggage with him for that type of weather? That
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  Speaker 1: seems really strange. Well, yeah, but we're past that. The
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  Speaker 1: cow's out of the barns laden. I mean, we already
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  Speaker 1: know he don't have a coat. We know it's twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine degrees, and the dad says he's out playing that.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a problem with that. And I'm hearing the
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  Speaker 1: mom keeps saying, he's not a runaway. He's not a runaway.
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  Speaker 1: He's not a runaway. Hopes our dash take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to k r QE Crystal Gutterists. The County Sheriff's office
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  Speaker 1: made the announcement less than two hours ago. Villain remains
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  Speaker 1: are found during a search of Middle Mountain Road, just
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  Speaker 1: north of Viasit the Lake. Official sate that's about eight
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  Speaker 1: mile drive from the father's home. Spokesperson Dan Bender says
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  Speaker 1: a variety of items were found during that search, including bones.
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  Speaker 1: The Colorado Bureau of Investigation alerted Sheriff's investigators today that
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  Speaker 1: tests conducted on those bones confirmed they are the remains
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  Speaker 1: of Dylan red Wine. It has been a long and
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  Speaker 1: difficult search for the boy who went missing from his
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  Speaker 1: father's house near Durango during a visit for Thanksgiving last year.
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  Speaker 1: The Sheriff's Department says red Wine's family has been notified.
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  Speaker 1: No word yet on if foul play is suspected in
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  Speaker 1: Dylan's disappearance and death. Searchers were not led to the
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  Speaker 1: area where the remains were found based on a recent tip.
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  Speaker 1: It was an area they weren't able to cover very
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  Speaker 1: well until recently. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about barbleshew evidence that has just emerged in the
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  Speaker 1: case of little boy Dylan red Wine with me his mother.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 1: The melting snow reveals some of Dylan's remains about ten
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  Speaker 1: miles north of his dad's house, off a twisting path
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  Speaker 1: deep in the wood. His devastated big brother Corey told
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  Speaker 1: our Denver affiliate Key DVR, he wasn't shocked. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when something like this happens, you just think of all
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  Speaker 1: the good times and there's so many. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard waking up and not having that bright spot in
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  Speaker 1: my heart. His mother, Elean, was heartbroken and no hunger
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  Speaker 1: can soothe me. When I'm stressed out. March theory at
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  Speaker 1: the time his son got lost and couldn't get cell
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  Speaker 1: phone reception. Anything you couldn't get I be able to
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  Speaker 1: come to the valley on the road that I'm living
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  Speaker 1: in my house, and maybe he thought by trying to
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  Speaker 1: get the higher you might be able to pick up
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  Speaker 1: the cell phone service on his cellpholm Okay, I'm having
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  Speaker 1: a hard time taking that in because it's twenty nine
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  Speaker 1: degrees outside and the quote higher ground was eleven thousand feet.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Elaine Hall. This
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  Speaker 1: is Dylan's mom Elaine. Do you recall that moment, and
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  Speaker 1: I know that you do, when you learned that Dylan's
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  Speaker 1: remains had been found. Do we call that moment? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: what happened we were Middle Mountain closes in November and
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  Speaker 1: so as what said, you know, we couldn't get up there.
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  Speaker 1: And then when we started searching in June, the sheriffs
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  Speaker 1: we were headed up, well my husband and my son,
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  Speaker 1: we're headed up the mountain and they were told to
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  Speaker 1: come back down and there was some clothing and some
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  Speaker 1: other things that they had found that my son Corey
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  Speaker 1: had to confirm. More Dylans and I have to say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, from November to June it did not look good.
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  Speaker 1: I still had hope, as we all do. But um
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  Speaker 1: I I just you know, the reality came and you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: we discovered that the articles were Dylans, and you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I was heartbroken. I'm just I'm still heartbroken. It's a
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: horrible thing to happen, Miss red n What were the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: articles that were found? There was some clothing, a shoe,
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  Speaker 1: and some remains. Listen to our friends at amgh dim h.
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  Speaker 1: This is Mark Stewart. This high and rugged terrain up
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  Speaker 1: to eleven thousand feet is where search teams found Dylan's remains.
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  Speaker 1: For weeks, this area was off limits because it was
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: covered with snow. The bones and other items found were
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: tested by the CBI. Scientists then determined the remains belonged
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to Dylan. His parents were told late this afternoon of
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the positive match. Speaking to our news partner late today,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the Denver Post, Dylan's father says he was blindsided by
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: this news. Police are now calling this case a criminal investigation.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Early on, they determined Dylan did not run away, but
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: still have yet to get into the specifics. As toy
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to you, Lauren, do you know where his skull was discovered. Yeah,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Nancy Hyper found his skull in November twenty fifteen, about
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a mile and a half from the first remains. It
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: has been determined by experts that had Dylan, let's just hypothesize,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: fallen and gone unconscious or fallen and died, it has
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: been determined by experts that no animal would have taken
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the skull a mile and a half away. That's not
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: how it works. When let's just say a coyote or
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: any animal finds a body, that's not what happens. The
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: remains will be scattered, that's true, but not a mile
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and a half, maybe maybe fifty feet. An animal doesn't
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: pack the body up and put it on its back
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and go to its lyer. That's not how it works.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: So why is Dylan's skull a mile and a half
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: away away from his body? That's the first thing that
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: struck me when I learned about the location of the remains.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Explain to me to you, Lauren shar if you're joining
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: me from Colorado Fox twenty one, this is an eleven
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  Speaker 1: thousand feet area, So eleven thousand feet from sea level.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Why would Dylon be all the way up there on
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: foot or on his bike. Why. That's a really great question, Nancy.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: It's super super cold. You need to wear, especially in November,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: multiple layers for that high of elevation. Yeah, this is
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: full ten miles from his dad's home. They're in Laplatta County.
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  Speaker 1: How would the body? How would Dylan have managed to
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: be up at elevation of eleven thousand feet, ten miles
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: away from home and his skull a mile and a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: half from the body, and then a bombshell discovery. Take
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at crime Watch daily and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: for five years of secretor burgess that compstably turned the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: father into an alleged killer. Investigators say Dylan saw compromising
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: photos of his dad and on that fateful Thanksgiving trip,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: planned to confront his father about them. Dylan's brother Corey
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: telling other media outlets that the pictures were quote disgusting,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: allegedly depicting Mark RedWine in women's makeup, wearing a diaper,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and other details too nauseating to repeat. Being confronted with
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that was enough, investigator say, to throw Mark red Wine
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: into a raid. I'm not as concerned about the makeup
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and the diaper. I'm more concerned about additional information we
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: are learning. To Laurence Sharf, explain to me what exactly
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the photos depict. Dylan's brother, Corey, older brother, claimed that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the photo were of Mark red Wine eating his own
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: ccs and cross dressing to doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists, I mean,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: cross dressing is very common. Actually it might be surprised
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to a lot of people, but it's not uncommon. But
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: eating feces, okay, Doctor Angela helped me out. They did
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: not teach me this, and laws asked me this. Oh
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: my god, it's just so sickening. I don't even know
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: how why somebody would eat their own secs. There's a
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: name to it. It's a variant of eating dirt, okay,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: which is called pipa coprophagia. Yes, and um, it's the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: consumption of feces. It can be your own, it can
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: be somebody else's. Yes. Climb stories with Nancy Grace, Guys
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: that we're talking about the discovery of Dylan red Wine's body.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: This little boy did not want to go visit his dad,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: but it was court ordered, so he went and he
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: was never saying alive again. Now we learn very disturbing
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: photos of the dad eating feces were discovered, we believe
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: by Dylan or red Wine. Take a listen to Jacqueline
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Allen kh The indictment states Dylan RedWine had seen compromising
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: pictures of Mark red Wine and planned to confront him later.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: The indictment states those photos provoked a violent response from
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Mark red Wine. Have you seen the photos? I've seen them,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of course, as the photos involved Mark eating his own feces,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the Corps believes those photos were just the beginning of
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a confrontation. I think Dylan had a lot more than
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: just pictures that he wanted to get across to Mark.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Mark Redwine's arrest is bitter sweet for Corey, who wants
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: justice for the brother he lost, but has also lost
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: whatever relationship he might have had with his father. I'm
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: sad that I've ever had to go through this, that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Dylan had to go through this, and that, you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: all of this past five years has just been about
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: who killed Dylan when it should have never happened in
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the first place. It's exciting to know that justice is
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: coming from my little brother just got Morgan. In addition
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to the dad Mark Redwine's obsession with skettology, we learned
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that Dylan's skull reveals a cod The trauma is specific
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: to causal effects Nancy. And one of the problems is
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in this environment in which this little boy's remains were found,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it's so very harsh. The police had to go a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: long way and specifically the state medical examiner in order
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to determine a specific cause of death because the environment
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: is so very harsh and so very compromise. You have
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: scattered remains. I can tell you this specifically. There is
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: no indication that his body was ever buried. That's why
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you had these scattered remains. It also goes to this
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: point relative to animal activity. They had access to the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: body and have dispersed these remains over a large, large area.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: What we know is there's evidence of blows, blunt force
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: trauma blows to Dylan's skull. I want you to take
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eleven Jacqueline Allen kmgh denver seven,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: a former FBI profiler now writing a textbook on violent crime.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Pete Klismet says he has Mark Redwine's number. Is there
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: any doubt in your mind that Mark RedWine killed his son?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Laplata investigators hired has met in twenty fifteen to review
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the evidence in the disappearance of Dylan RedWine. After three
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: months of digging, he says, the evidence pointed to one person.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I simply wanted to look at everything I could look
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: at and try to figure out who did this, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: it was in an inescapable conclusion that it was Mark.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Court records reveal investigators found Dylan Redwine's blood in his
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: father's living room, a cadaver dog alerted in that same room,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and in his truck. Most bizarre, the indictment says Dylan
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: had seen compromising photos of his father and planned to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: confront him. Could that have caused Mark to go into
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: a rage with his son yelling at him? Perhaps it may.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Elaine Hall, missus Dylan's mom, did you have any idea
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: what was going on in your ex husband's mind? No?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but that had been true for
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: years prior. So I had to trust Mark with Dylan
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that it was something that I had to do. It was,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you know, not only a court order, but he was
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: his father. And you never want to think that you
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: married a man who could actually hurt his own child.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: And those were the shoes I was in at that point.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I was blindsided by all of it because when he
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: went missing on the eighteenth and then what led up
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: after that, it opened my eyes to who Mark really was,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and it was it was not good. What else did
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: you learn, Elaine, Well, I mean, you know, he certainly
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: got anger issues. He blames everybody else for everything that's
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: ever happened. He you know, wants control of everything. And
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: when he lost the control when we got divorced, you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: it was something he couldn't handle. And you know, we
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: were living our life and his life was so focused
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: on us and what I was doing wrong as a mother.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I mean the whole coach thing is a perfect example
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of that, you know, blaming me for for Dylan not
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: having a coach. Dylan was thirteen years old, he had
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: a hoodie, he didn't wear coats often, and you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it just reminded me of everything that we had went
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: through because he had two other boys, and it was
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the same game he played with his ex wife with
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the two other boys, blaming everybody else or things that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: he just refused to take to take blame for, and
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: not so much blame but accountability. There was no accountability.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: He was evasive even the day the weekend that we
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: decided to have the search, the big search in June
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: where we found Dylan's remains. He was gone, he left
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the day before, didn't even hang around for the search.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: All of those things, you know, just made it solidified
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: my plight in justice for Dylan, knowing who had harmed
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: my son. I'm thinking through everything that you have just said,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm curious. I know Dylan did not want to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: go visit his dad. Why there was nothing to do
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: up there for Dylan. And no matter what anyone says,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Dylan did not play by the campground, He did not
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: play on the rock wall, he did not go by
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the river, and he you know, his friends in Bayfield
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: were about forty five minutes away. He didn't take his
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: bike because his bike was still at Mark's house. He
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: did have self phone reception at Mark's house. There was
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: no issue of self phone reception. But Mark sat in
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the house and basically, I you know, did nothing with Dylan,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and Dylan was miserable up there all by himself. So,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know, march Is never engaged with Dylan. He never
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: took the time to take him out and do things
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: with them, and Dylan was miserable up there. And his
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: relationship with Mark had at that time become contentious because
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of Mark's actions leading up to that. So they argued.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying they argued? Did they argue
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: on the night of did they argue period? Did they
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: have an argumentative relationship? Well, I mean it was contentious.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I think I don't know if they argued. Well, why
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: do you say it was contentious because Dylan whenever Mark
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Mark would call, which was very rare, you know, Dylan
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to talk to him. And
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I was like why and He's like, because, Mom, he
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: says the same thing all the time. And Mark was
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: very critical of me and Corey, and Dylan did not
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: want to hear that, you know. He Dylan just wanted
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to have peace in the family. He didn't want to
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: argue with it Dad, and we didn't want to argue
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: with us. And just as the family believes, there will
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: be justice for Dylan RedWine take a listen to km
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: gh Jenner. After years of waiting for the murder trial
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: of Mark RedWine to move forward, yet another delay probably
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: not going to happen till next year, Judge Raymond Wilson
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: declared a mistrial Monday, after defense attorneys that said they
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: were experiencing COVID symptoms, a trial that's already been delayed
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: due to the pandemic, and once more, after our defense
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: attorney was arrested for Dylan Redwine's family, it means another
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: drive home without answers. We rented a house down here,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: taking time off work, you know, pretty much left our
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: lives to come down here and have this happen. And
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you know, here we are again going home empty handed.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just so frustrating to a Lane Hall.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: This is Dylan's mother. So you finally get to trial,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and then the defense attorney's claimed that they're having OVID
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: nineteen symptoms, a mistrial was declared. How did that affect you?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: So frustrating? The trial had been delayed eight times prior
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to this. Mark got arrested in two thousand and fifteen,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and here we sit, or two thousand and seventeen. I'm sorry,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And here we sit in two thousand and twenty, and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: we're you know, our lives are still on hold. Everybody
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: else has living their life. You know, Mark maybe living
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: his life in jail, but you know we were there
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: are There are no apologies there are no um rights
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: for victims who are undergoing something like this. I mean,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the courts don't care about the time, the emotional, um
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and mental drain that it is put on as the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: financial drain that it is put on us um. You know,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: they they want to um find every excuse under them
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: The defense wants to find every excuse under the sun
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: to not have this go forward. And it's just it's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: beguiling to me. I just don't understand how we can
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: sit here three years, almost four years or later and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: there's still no resolution. I mean, there really needs to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: be some accountability from the courts, from the defense team,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: from the judge on the rights of victims because they
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: have been violated many times throughout this whole trial or
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: throughout this whole process. To Laurence shar Fox twenty one,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: what is the latest, Lauren? When will the case go forward? Yeah?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So this trial is expected to last seven weeks and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the tentative trial date is January twenty fifth, twenty twenty one.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: There will be a status conference January fifth to see
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: if the trial date is feasible. So, Troice Letton, how
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: badly do you think the defense attorneys are going to
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: fight to try to keep those photos of Mark RedWine
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: eating his own poop out of court. It seems like
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with the issue of whether
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: or not he had anything to do with the murder
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of his son, just because, and it seems like that
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: they would just be used to inflame the passions and
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: prejudices of the jury, and any type of probitive value
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: is significantly outweighed by their prejudicial effect, a feeling, you'd
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: say admissible because according to investigators, they believe Dylan RedWine
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: saw those photos and was going to confront his dad,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: or did confront him. We'll see what happens in court.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Justice delayed, but not justice denied yet. Nancy Grace Crime
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Story signing off Goodbye friend,