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Monday Mini: Very Superstitious · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
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Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. All right,
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Speaker 1: so we're going to time stamp this because this is
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Speaker 1: a very timely subject. I guess today is February two,
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Speaker 1: twenty two or two two. That makes me yesterday February
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Speaker 1: twenty two or two twenty two, twenty two and less.
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Speaker 1: So you're living elsewhere in the world and then it's
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Speaker 1: the other day or you main the two to twenty two.
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Speaker 1: I get so confused, Yes, which is still makes it mirror?
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Speaker 1: So how you say it? So? And according to the
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Speaker 1: world of a numerology and beyond, it is quote once
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Speaker 1: in a lifetime date to twenty two twenty two or
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Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty two, however you want to see it.
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Speaker 1: And thanks to the dates repeating numbers is considered an
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Speaker 1: angel number in numerology, or a number bearing a particular
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Speaker 1: energy or universal message. So this date is also known
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Speaker 1: as a palindrome, meaning same backwards as forwards, because if
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Speaker 1: you do either way it if you leave out a
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Speaker 1: zero or two, it does this number as well as
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Speaker 1: the fact that if you do it. The is a
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Speaker 1: UK version in which they do everywhere else to everybody
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Speaker 1: else but us twenty two. It flips it as well.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of very superstitious thoughts about this
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Speaker 1: mirror date, as I've been told, and y'all have seen
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Speaker 1: a lot of videos because social media blew up with
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Speaker 1: how significant the state is, and I and fairly superstitious.
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Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, oh, so I know, any
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Speaker 1: you're kind of superstitious. Did you do anything for this occasion,
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Speaker 1: like making a manifestation or a wish or such. The
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Speaker 1: interesting thing about this is I have said it before
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Speaker 1: on this podcast. I know I've talked about it with
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Speaker 1: you before, Samitha. Numbers have meaning for me. I'm really
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Speaker 1: into numbers. My mom, when I was a kid, I
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Speaker 1: was super into Harry Potter. She got me a numerology book,
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Speaker 1: and so I can do like the very basics of
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Speaker 1: calculating based on your name and you're the day you
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Speaker 1: were born, like all kinds of things like that. And
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Speaker 1: part of it is kind of like I like math,
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Speaker 1: uh less than I might believe that this is a thing,
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Speaker 1: but I like doing it, and I like I love
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Speaker 1: looking into the meaning of names. That's one of my
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Speaker 1: very favorite things when I'm writing something especially like I
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Speaker 1: like to look into the name. But I thought I
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Speaker 1: had already prepared for this date because twenty two is
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Speaker 1: my favorite number, and so I didn't know it was
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Speaker 1: going to be such a huge deal. But I had
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Speaker 1: already I had it in my mind that it was
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Speaker 1: gonna be a thing, like I had already prepared, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's twenty two two to like, I gotta do something
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Speaker 1: on this day. And then it became a huge thing.
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Speaker 1: So what I did was I watched I basically treated
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Speaker 1: it kind of like New Year's with less drinking, but
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Speaker 1: I watched like sci fi movies about time travel and numbers. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I stayed up. I made sure to stay up
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Speaker 1: until midnight and I did a lot of things and twos.
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Speaker 1: That was sort of my day. Yeah. Yeah, because people
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Speaker 1: would be like us too too too to Tuesday. Ye,
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Speaker 1: I know, I missed a couple of tunes and that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: are you superstitious? I thought you were, but maybe you're not.
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Speaker 1: I would say, I would say I'm not, but I
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Speaker 1: think I am. I think I have a lot of
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Speaker 1: rituals and traditions, and I think those can get mixed
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Speaker 1: up for superstitions or either not mixed up for superstitions
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Speaker 1: where they should be. I have a lot of things
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Speaker 1: that I feel like I have to do on certain
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Speaker 1: dates and certain numbers. I used to have to go
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Speaker 1: and get a ticket stub on certain dates just to
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Speaker 1: have like an item almost that would put this date
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Speaker 1: down in my memory. And I still have them, like
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Speaker 1: literally on this bulletin board right here. I have ticket
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Speaker 1: stuffs for these dates where I just had to go
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Speaker 1: do something on that date and get a ticket stuff. Um.
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Speaker 1: So I think like, even though part of me would
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Speaker 1: say I'm not superstitious because it's not like I to me,
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Speaker 1: I think I misunderstand superstition a lot, as in if
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Speaker 1: I don't do something, something bad will happen, whereas I'm
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Speaker 1: kind of doing it and more of a memoriam type
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Speaker 1: of situation. Okay, Um, but I think it's very similar.
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Speaker 1: So I think that it's not like I'm expecting things
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Speaker 1: to happen when I do something, or that it will
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Speaker 1: work like like it's something will come of it. I
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Speaker 1: guess it is more of a I have to commemorate
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Speaker 1: it and remember it or else tops lost forever. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I feel like you also, even though you so you'll
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Speaker 1: say superstition, but you have these traditions that if you
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Speaker 1: don't do it, you feel like bad things are going
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Speaker 1: to happen, right, which is pretty much it. H You're
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Speaker 1: totally right, I'm sorry, I love you. I don't mean
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Speaker 1: that as a as a as a poke, as more
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Speaker 1: of like, do you know I feel like when you
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Speaker 1: say you have to do these things and you have
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Speaker 1: to eat these things? Yeah? Probably? And I say this
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Speaker 1: as I definitely am someone who is very into not
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Speaker 1: necessarily traditions, but do believe in some things of like,
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Speaker 1: why even tested I don't I don't want to test it.
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Speaker 1: If this can bring me good luck, great, If it
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Speaker 1: didn't work, what what hurt? Kind of thing? I did
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Speaker 1: try to cone in on the last two years and
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Speaker 1: more of my Korean traditions and trying to figure out myself,
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Speaker 1: my identity a different conversation we know, but also knowing
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Speaker 1: that a lot of the Asian cultures are more superstitious
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Speaker 1: and steep into that tradition. Of course, again, tradition superstition
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Speaker 1: kind of does go hand in hand, intertwined however you
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Speaker 1: want to look at it. It's also something about intuition
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Speaker 1: and gut feeling, and I am a big proponent to that.
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Speaker 1: Like when I make big life decisions, I do a
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Speaker 1: lot of research, but if I can't make up my mind,
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Speaker 1: I have to sit still. I literally sit still and
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Speaker 1: just think on it and say to myself the options
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Speaker 1: and whatever is my calm is usually the direction I
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Speaker 1: will go. I am, and it has always worked for
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Speaker 1: me and usually the best way. I can't think of
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Speaker 1: too many moments where I'm like, I regret that. So
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Speaker 1: I am a person who does believe in my gut
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Speaker 1: feeling and my intuition. And honestly, I was thinking about
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Speaker 1: this for a while. You and I have talked about
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Speaker 1: it because we talked about you know, New Chinese New
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Speaker 1: Year's or all of that in the celebration New Year's,
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Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? We've stopped doing resolutions, even
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Speaker 1: though that was a tradition. It got toxic, and so
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Speaker 1: we wouldn't take everything toxic out all those things. And
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Speaker 1: it turns out for women it's more common than not. Surprise. Um,
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Speaker 1: of course we had to go into it, and I
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it because I also wanted to
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Speaker 1: talk about what we did specifically. We went through several articles,
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Speaker 1: doing some research trying to see if it was a
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Speaker 1: gendered thing, and I couldn't really find a lot to
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Speaker 1: it because there's no real data about whether or not
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Speaker 1: it works or not, so therefore there's no real conversation
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Speaker 1: about it. I know on our show, we've had episodes
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Speaker 1: about astrology, We've had episodes on tarot cards and how
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Speaker 1: it is a lot of times feminist leaning or women
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Speaker 1: gendered leaning. And then we also talked about witchcraft, which
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Speaker 1: could be part of that whole, like superstition as well.
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Speaker 1: That's all up in there and mixed. Again. This could
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Speaker 1: be also more cultural than anything else, because I know
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Speaker 1: the Irish and Scottish have a lot of and the
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Speaker 1: Greeks have a lot of specific superstitious beliefs or traditions
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Speaker 1: that lean to uh kind of a cultural take on
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Speaker 1: things that I'm like, oh, I want to practice that.
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Speaker 1: That seems cool. We see that, we see that, whether
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Speaker 1: it's with death, whether it's with life in celebration, we
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Speaker 1: see these types of superstitions. But I did find one
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Speaker 1: article written by Eric Dolan. Yes, I do assume that's
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Speaker 1: a man on a sipost dot org, and I wanted
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Speaker 1: to read a little bit about it because again I
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Speaker 1: found it interesting and it was kind of a gendered study.
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Speaker 1: So they write a new study provides evidence that women's
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Speaker 1: reliance on intuition and gut feelings helps explain why they
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Speaker 1: tend to report more magical beliefs than men do. Magical uh,
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Speaker 1: and the research has been published in the Journal of
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Speaker 1: Research and Personality. So again there's some research, not a lot,
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Speaker 1: and it continues. I was really intrigued to understand why
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Speaker 1: across the world, women tend to be more likely than
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Speaker 1: men to report beliefs and magical phenomenon like ghosts and
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Speaker 1: haunted houses, said study author Sarah Ward, Assistant professor of
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Speaker 1: Management at the University of Illinois. And Dolan, who was
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Speaker 1: writing this article, continues in his writing quote. In four
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Speaker 1: studies with two thousand, five forty five participants in total,
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Speaker 1: the researchers found that women were more likely than men
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Speaker 1: to endorse magical beliefs. Women tended to report relying more
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Speaker 1: on intuition and scored lower on a cognitive reflection tests
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Speaker 1: and assessment of a person's tendencies to override and incorrect
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Speaker 1: gut response, which we're both associated with heightened magical beliefs. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. When he keeps choosing the term
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Speaker 1: magic and magical, it feels a little bit condescending. Um
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Speaker 1: his language overall feels stereotypical of women who do trust
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Speaker 1: intuition as part of their decision making skills or decision
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Speaker 1: making as something of a more frivolous sam maybe perhaps
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Speaker 1: naive practice. But Ward, who was doing the study, states,
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Speaker 1: although some antiquated stereotypes have portrayed women's higher magical beliefs
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Speaker 1: as caused by lower rationality or intelligence, this was not
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Speaker 1: supported in the data. Women and men do not differ
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Speaker 1: in analytical reasoning capacities or intelligence in these studies, showing
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Speaker 1: the inacrecy of these earlier stereotypes for gender differences and
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Speaker 1: magical beliefs. So again, I don't know why magical seems
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Speaker 1: so childish or magic seems so childish in these references.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. But what she is
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Speaker 1: saying essentially is it didn't change anything, It didn't lower
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Speaker 1: any standard, it didn't make any difference. And as in fact,
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Speaker 1: in the same article they talked about the fact that
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Speaker 1: when men witness women using intuition like this and succeed,
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Speaker 1: it only endorses more two men that they should be
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Speaker 1: following suit and it doesn't really change anything. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: really make any difference. There was no data to say
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Speaker 1: that intuition was better or not. It was just more
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Speaker 1: of a why do women believe more than the other genders?
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Speaker 1: Um and I thought it was really interesting in this context,
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Speaker 1: especially on days like this, because I'm going to tell
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Speaker 1: you I read a hell a lot about the numbers
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Speaker 1: h including the fact that I was told in a
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Speaker 1: video by a numerologists and astrologists too much like Chinese
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Speaker 1: New Year's clean your house the day before to make
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Speaker 1: sure you're mirroring the clean clean life. I took out.
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Speaker 1: This was not said to do it, but I was like,
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Speaker 1: I don't want trash in my house, so I took
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Speaker 1: out all the leftovers and all the trash out so
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Speaker 1: I did not want trash in my life for the
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Speaker 1: next However, in long years before we get the next
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Speaker 1: mirror year, I cleaned my dog. I know I did
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Speaker 1: because I wanted her to be healthy and groomed for
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Speaker 1: as long as she could be, and I feel like
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Speaker 1: that would reflect as well. My partner and I actually
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Speaker 1: got together. So the magic hour, according to some was
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Speaker 1: ten to two PM on two to to two. It's
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Speaker 1: right because it would make it two to two or
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Speaker 1: two to twenty two. However you see it. And we
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Speaker 1: said mindfully manifesting our year together loud in our own heads. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I did all of that. Dang, I know, I don't
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Speaker 1: know why it hit me, and I was like, I
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Speaker 1: need to do this. I don't need any any negativity
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Speaker 1: because I think are like, the last two years have
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Speaker 1: both been good and bad, and we want to usher
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Speaker 1: out because when it was when it was bad, it
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Speaker 1: was real bad. Yes, so we want to usher that
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Speaker 1: out as much as possible. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's just
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Speaker 1: super fascinating to me because again I was kind of surprised.
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Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't have been, but as someone who's
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Speaker 1: like always thinking about numbers, Oh wow, everybody's doing that
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Speaker 1: thing for this, it wasn't just what I perceive as
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Speaker 1: my weirdness. So first, I think when we talk about
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Speaker 1: women's intuition and women having these superstitions are magic or
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. Um I as have
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Speaker 1: you have. I've watched a lot of horror movies. I
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Speaker 1: think that when we say, like women's intuition we should
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Speaker 1: be saying women have been living in this world and
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Speaker 1: they know what's up, and men are so ready to
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Speaker 1: not believe them when they're like, I think something might
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Speaker 1: be a miss. So that's one thing where I'm always
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Speaker 1: like when I read these things where they're saying women
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Speaker 1: are more superstitious, I I think, really, it's women I
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Speaker 1: had to deal with being in fear when they go outside. Yeah, possibly,
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Speaker 1: and therefore they have more quote superstitions, um. On top
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Speaker 1: of that. I would be really interested to know if
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Speaker 1: there's any breakdown on Like I feel like we like
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Speaker 1: to dismiss women's intuition because it's women, but men have
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Speaker 1: their like sports jerseys that they wear and they have
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Speaker 1: to wear in every game, and I think that that
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Speaker 1: scene is something different even than a ruler. We're kind
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Speaker 1: of talking about the same thing, but because it's men
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Speaker 1: doing it, we're like, yeah, let them, let them do
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Speaker 1: their thing and have fun. When it's women, were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: she's very silly. Yeah, well, it seems like when it
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Speaker 1: comes to uh, men and their superstition. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: I've never seen men more angry than sports uh and
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Speaker 1: of course being called out for not being whatever. Really
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Speaker 1: like we're being told that there being in their mind
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Speaker 1: told that they're not mainly enough and or too mainly
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Speaker 1: Like those are the three reasons that really get super
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Speaker 1: angry apparently, But it does feel like when we see
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Speaker 1: men doing their sports thing, we as women are like
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Speaker 1: dismissive to like like whatever, okay, you do your thing.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, we can't tease it. We
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Speaker 1: can't do too much, uh too disrupted and if we
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Speaker 1: actually tried to stop it, as in like this seems
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Speaker 1: very sitcoming when women accidentally washed their jersey and they
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Speaker 1: they are like, oh no, you can't watch the jersey,
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Speaker 1: and it becomes a whole thing in a literal argument
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Speaker 1: and a plot point, like it's just a whole thing
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Speaker 1: and whole level of trying to uh dismiss a woman's
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Speaker 1: whatever their belief system is. And on top of that,
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Speaker 1: like astrology and all that, I get it. It seems
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Speaker 1: very mystical and out there, but there seems to be
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Speaker 1: some basis of at least people are studying stars insteady
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Speaker 1: you know, there's some scientific level to that. So perhaps
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Speaker 1: it's a little more than just doing a specific end
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Speaker 1: zone dance to continue on celebration and made the game
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Speaker 1: better or whatever, or rubbing a specific helmet or tapping
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Speaker 1: on as if you watched Friday Night Lights, which is
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Speaker 1: very problematic, and I still enjoyed it before I realized
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Speaker 1: how problematic it was where they tapped the top of
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Speaker 1: their little emblemnus as believe or something like that. I
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Speaker 1: think that's a ted last out thing. Now there's a
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Speaker 1: level of legitimacy of where that stands, but I again
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Speaker 1: hold to that might as well. Does it hurt anyone? No?
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Speaker 1: What did I sit here in manifest good things in
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Speaker 1: my head? I have really hope I did, But it
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Speaker 1: was just it was a minute of just sitting still.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with taking these special days or days that for whatever
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Speaker 1: reason have meaning to you and taking that moment and
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Speaker 1: kind of trying to center yourself and imagine what you
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Speaker 1: would like to happen or what would you would like
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Speaker 1: to work towards. Because I feel like a lot of
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about, whether it's kind of on the
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Speaker 1: sillier spectrum end quotes, are on a more serious spectrum
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Speaker 1: of your life, as opposed to want the sports steam
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Speaker 1: to win, which I know is very important to a
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Speaker 1: lot of people, so I'm not dismissing that, but like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's kind of the same thing.
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Speaker 1: But I guess that's my My issue with a lot
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Speaker 1: of this is that we do, in my opinion, sort
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Speaker 1: of legitimize when men do it versus when women do it,
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Speaker 1: where it's seen as sort of frivolous and weird and
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Speaker 1: and child ish. Like the whole conversation of being magic
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Speaker 1: and magical. It seems so childish, which just makes me sad,
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Speaker 1: because there's nothing wrong with magic and magical and wishing
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Speaker 1: it will existed to a certain extent. As we've seen
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Speaker 1: many fantastical movies, magic goes wrong very quickly. However, in
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Speaker 1: my mind, yes, like the idea of magic and magical
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Speaker 1: is also synonymous with childish and and imagination and all
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Speaker 1: of these things, and apparently that's a negative when you're
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Speaker 1: an adult, and that makes me sad. Yeah, yeah, and
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Speaker 1: you know, just to keep it in my brand. Also,
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Speaker 1: I have to say, I feel like a lot of
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Speaker 1: men with sports and their superstitions around sports and all
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Speaker 1: the things they do with sports and all the numbers
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Speaker 1: they memorize with sports nerds do that too. But when
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Speaker 1: nerds do it, that's that's ridiculously sad. But when men
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Speaker 1: do it, and especially fan girls, because fan girls, you know,
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Speaker 1: they've got like the I know where this musician was
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Speaker 1: playing on this date or whatever, and so on this state,
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Speaker 1: they know the set. It's the same thing. But because
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Speaker 1: men do it, we're like, Okay, that's all right. But
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Speaker 1: when girls and women nw it, were like, oh, that's
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Speaker 1: because it's a different type of admiration. Yeah whatever, yeah, whatever. Well,
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Speaker 1: this has been interesting. Yeah, I did have a good
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Speaker 1: I watched a lot of weird sci fi movies and
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Speaker 1: I who knows how that's gonna I'm I'm waiting because
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Speaker 1: I was also this whole like Pluto Rice girl. I
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Speaker 1: got real into it yesterday. I needed to know and
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Speaker 1: some good things. Apparently I'm coming our way. But I
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Speaker 1: also am a little fearful of the Year of the
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Speaker 1: Tiger because I am a monkey, and apparently the Chinese
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Speaker 1: signs the monkey needs to be calm and not do
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Speaker 1: anything serious in the Year of the Tiger. Oh my goodness,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to tell me more about all of this.
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Speaker 1: I'm ready, let's go. Okay, I'm very excited to hear
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Speaker 1: about it. I was told I have nothing coming my way,
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, they literally like pretty much every month,
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Speaker 1: but you good times coming. So I'm like, all right,
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Speaker 1: well I'm going to continue and I'm good, okay, But listeners,
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