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Ep. 109 - The Simple Daily Steps to Staying Fully Recovered · Trudge Report

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SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another episode of Trudge Report.
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SPEAKER_00: Gentlemen, good evening.
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SPEAKER_00: Got the Trudge trio at the moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Big sh real quick, big shout out to uh Janine and Roy.
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SPEAKER_00: They've literally been sick and laid up for like over two weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I hope they're okay.
0:52
SPEAKER_00: I chatted with her yesterday.
0:54
SPEAKER_00: She said she was feeling a little better, but then her husband Roy got really sick.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: And then today she said that they were just both down and out for the count again.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what it is.
1:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's something going around.
1:04
SPEAKER_04: Like uh, I mean, I don't know if it's just out west or whatever, but it's something that starts with an M.
1:09
SPEAKER_04: My sister told me today.
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SPEAKER_04: But I guess like the whole family's been like sick for a month, and it's like COVID strep and something several other symptoms like all rolled into one.
1:19
SPEAKER_04: It's like taking three to four weeks to get.
1:22
SPEAKER_00: You know, there was the Wuhan virus a few years ago, guys.
1:24
SPEAKER_00: This is you know what this is?
1:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh this is the Iranian virus.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh it might be.
1:30
SPEAKER_00: It might be this is the Iranian Iranian bird flu or something.
1:34
SPEAKER_02: Maya's been sick for three days.
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SPEAKER_02: 103 fever, and she tested positive for strep, dude.
1:39
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
1:39
SPEAKER_00: Here we go, yeah.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: Here we go.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, let's let's go around the horn.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: Let's uh Danny P, we'll start with you.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: You're your top left of my screen.
1:46
SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
1:46
SPEAKER_00: How's everything, bud?
1:47
SPEAKER_00: All right, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I just told you guys, uh Maya Maya had to leave school uh early on Friday, and uh she had like a 103 fever and tested positive for strep, and uh she's she still had a fever the last two days, but she was feeling better finally today.
1:59
SPEAKER_02: So hopefully that's on the mend and doesn't spread like we just said throughout the whole household.
2:03
SPEAKER_02: We've been uh trying to uh keep that separate and by new toothbrushes and doing all the things.
2:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh we've had uh strep pass through this house like so many times, it's just wildly annoying at this point.
2:17
SPEAKER_02: Um strep's tough, man.
2:19
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, it's brutal, dude.
2:20
SPEAKER_02: It's brutal.
2:20
SPEAKER_02: But uh we had uh basketball playoffs uh Saturday.
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SPEAKER_02: We lost our morning game, but these kids uh we were shorthanded, missing our two best players, and these kids fought like champions, man.
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SPEAKER_02: It was like I was so proud of them.
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SPEAKER_02: We played like the best team in the league, they were undefeated, and we were within two points the whole game until the last minute, and it was it was just an amazing, overwhelming, heart-filled experience to watch these kids come together like a team.
2:45
SPEAKER_02: And now it's on to a little bit of softball, a little bit of excellent softball gonna be coming to you live soon.
2:51
SPEAKER_02: And um, I'm trying to think what else I have.
2:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh, UConn, because we gotta admit the losses too.
2:55
SPEAKER_02: We can't just say the wins.
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SPEAKER_02: UConn's awful loss, you know, but uh hopefully it's the motivator.
3:00
SPEAKER_02: We'll see what happens.
3:01
SPEAKER_02: You know, just shot the ball awful, but you know, we'll we'll we'll see what happens.
3:05
SPEAKER_02: Big big wins.
3:06
SPEAKER_02: Still almost pulled it out.
3:07
SPEAKER_02: Still, yeah, yeah, still almost pulled it out, man.
3:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're they had it right there.
3:10
SPEAKER_02: Just yeah, just I mean, it looked like a lack of effort all game.
3:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they were playing another competition the whole entire game.
3:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, trying to think what else is going on.
3:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's about it, man.
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SPEAKER_02: Work and everything's pretty normal, and I'm gonna be traveling out to Connecticut this coming weekend and buying tickets for the Big East Championship and hoping that UConn makes it there and go with my son and my cousin and everything like that.
3:31
SPEAKER_02: So we got that to look forward to.
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SPEAKER_02: And 70 and sunny today, 70 and sunny tomorrow.
3:36
SPEAKER_02: Let's go, baby.
3:38
SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
3:39
SPEAKER_02: Good stuff.
3:40
SPEAKER_02: What's up, Greg?
3:42
SPEAKER_04: Uh uh nothing, man.
3:43
SPEAKER_04: You know what grinds my gears anymore, dude?
3:45
SPEAKER_04: And and I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record or whatever for this.
3:49
SPEAKER_04: Daylight savings time can suck it, dude.
3:51
SPEAKER_04: I'm maybe and maybe I'm gonna sound old saying this, but like my my life is entirely too structured at this point to have to react to this lose hour, gain an hour, all that.
4:04
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I I can't stand it, dude.
4:06
SPEAKER_04: Like, we we really should just do away with it entirely, you know.
4:10
SPEAKER_04: Um but I digress.
4:12
SPEAKER_04: That's that's uh first world problems, I suppose.
4:15
SPEAKER_04: So um, what else?
4:18
SPEAKER_04: The oh, so we had uh Peyton had a couple back-to-back birthday parties he was invited to today.
4:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh that's a tough that's a that's a long day, right?
4:30
SPEAKER_04: Oh, dude, it's it was a long day, and it was a juggle because they overlap, so we had to like be the people that are like we gotta we gotta leave early for this one.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: So is he still at the age where you can't just drop him off and go, or do you gotta be with him?
4:41
SPEAKER_04: Well, the so we we would have um because we have done that a couple times before, but like the the couple that um uh the first party was for, like Lauren's been friends with them for for a for quite a while, so like since both uh their son and their oldest son and Peyton were like little, so we just hung out, you know, and then we stayed there, and then we had to take him to the other one, and those people are like our neighbors, and again, they've been friends for a while, so we just stayed.
5:08
SPEAKER_04: And they were both parties were at roller rinks, so Peyton got on some rollerblades for the first one, and he was like a little bit, he's struggling.
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SPEAKER_04: He definitely like hasn't skated that much, yeah.
5:20
SPEAKER_04: And I'm I'm I'm sitting there, I'm like, I wonder if I still got it or if I'm gonna end this day with like a broken elbow or kneecap.
5:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, we won't try it.
5:27
SPEAKER_04: And then we get to the second party, and it's also at a skating rink, and I'm like, you know what?
5:31
SPEAKER_04: Here's this is God, man.
5:33
SPEAKER_04: This is God telling my second one.
5:35
SPEAKER_04: Take my eight bucks and give me a set of quads, big dog.
5:38
SPEAKER_04: Let me go.
5:39
SPEAKER_04: And dude, it was it was like riding a bike out there, boys.
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SPEAKER_04: I I felt like I was in high school all over again.
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SPEAKER_04: All the all the terrible music playing and just good good time.
5:48
SPEAKER_04: That's awesome, man.
5:49
SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
5:50
SPEAKER_04: Your boys still got it on the skates, gentlemen.
5:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, boy.
5:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh so yeah, that was uh that was our weekend in a nutshell.
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SPEAKER_04: Um pretty pretty chill, uh fun time.
6:03
SPEAKER_04: Uh we do have uh a wedding venue picked, so we are going to be signing uh a contract, I believe, this week.
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SPEAKER_04: Let's go, baby.
6:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, congrats.
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SPEAKER_04: Big load off now it's on to all the other all the other fun stuff.
6:19
SPEAKER_04: So you guys think about this.
6:23
SPEAKER_04: Um what are what are your thoughts on this?
6:27
SPEAKER_04: I'm thinking about going the route of buying a suit as opposed to renting one.
6:33
SPEAKER_04: What do you guys think about that?
6:35
SPEAKER_04: I know I guess it depends on how you rented yours, right?
6:38
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
6:40
SPEAKER_04: Oh, you rented from the same spot that uh Bill did, right?
6:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, from yeah.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess it depends on if you plan on wearing it again.
6:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we got it.
6:48
SPEAKER_04: We just we um the the people that were throwing the party, one of the parties today, the the dad, he works, he's like uh runs one of the like high-end shops here, and uh, but they they don't rent, they just but you know, I'm thinking about it like I mean I guess if they're somewhat around the same price, that really doesn't make a difference.
7:07
SPEAKER_04: That's the thing is yeah, is if it's like the same price as a rental, why not take a nice suit out of the deal?
7:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, exactly.
7:12
SPEAKER_02: It would be a purely financial decision for me.
7:14
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
7:15
SPEAKER_02: If it was I would 100% keep it if it's like even within 50 bucks.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: Greg will be busting out excuses left and right to wear that bat right once every four months.
7:24
SPEAKER_02: I'm coming into Applebee's like the Don.
7:27
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So good stuff.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: Well, congrats on the venue.
7:32
SPEAKER_00: Good stuff.
7:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's awesome.
7:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, all good on over here, man.
7:35
SPEAKER_00: Busy, busy weekend as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Girls had golf and uh T ball yesterday.
7:40
SPEAKER_00: Those are always those are always busy days.
7:43
SPEAKER_00: We had a uh recovery event, recovery dinner last night, uh annual event.
7:47
SPEAKER_00: Took the wife and all the kids to that.
7:49
SPEAKER_00: It was wonderful.
7:50
SPEAKER_00: Sophia got asked to come on stage and be the pick the the raffle tickets out of the box and read the numbers.
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SPEAKER_00: So she was she was loving it, man.
7:58
SPEAKER_00: She takes after her dad on that.
8:00
SPEAKER_00: She likes being in the spotlight, but um she did good um today.
8:05
SPEAKER_00: Today was cool.
8:05
SPEAKER_00: I actually I played golf with three of my cousins and my dad.
8:09
SPEAKER_00: It was one of my cousins' birthday today, and I got to bring them to uh that we have a brand new course up by me that's like unbelievably nice, and for whatever reason, it's like dirt cheap still because it's so brand new.
8:19
SPEAKER_00: So I got to get them out there.
8:21
SPEAKER_00: It was just, I don't know.
8:21
SPEAKER_00: I I play golf with a lot of friends, and it's always fun, but like something special about playing with family.
8:26
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, one of my cousins that I played with, I used to drink with a lot, and um I owed him an amends when I got sober, and and I did, I did a lot of I was a huge pain in his ass for many years, and we're obviously many, many years removed from that.
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SPEAKER_00: He's married with a kid himself and and all that, and but it was just I don't know, it was cool, fun day.
8:45
SPEAKER_00: And then we had that same cousin whose birthday it was.
8:47
SPEAKER_00: We had family dinner at their house tonight and pizza and all that stuff.
8:51
SPEAKER_00: So just a just a busy weekend, man, but but full, all good.
8:56
SPEAKER_00: Greg, to the daylight savings point.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: I I love this time of year because it gets dark later.
9:02
SPEAKER_00: I get another hour of I get I get to play golf later and I get more daylight, and and then it gets to the point where it's light to like 8 30 at night.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: But I gotta admit, uh obviously our phones, our cell phones update automatically, right?
9:17
SPEAKER_00: But I still have a digital like old school alarm clock next to my bed that I have to manually change.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: That checks to like and I didn't have to get up super early, so I didn't set an alarm on my phone.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: So I just was like peeking at I was like, oh, it's 63.
9:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's all right, I'll get up.
9:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've got plenty of time.
9:34
SPEAKER_00: Take my time.
9:34
SPEAKER_00: And sure enough, I got up and thinking it was like 6:45 in the morning, it was really like 7:45.
9:41
SPEAKER_00: So I it kind of got me a little bit, but um, I don't really know what the point of it is.
9:46
SPEAKER_00: I know they say it was for farming at some point, but I don't I don't really understand.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: Like there's still 24 hours in a day.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
9:55
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
9:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't really understand.
9:58
SPEAKER_02: Did you guys know they don't do it out west?
10:01
SPEAKER_00: I just like out west in like California.
10:04
SPEAKER_02: Air, yeah.
10:04
SPEAKER_02: Airs, my my friend was in Arizona, and she was like, Oh, it's only two hours behind now, or and I was like, What?
10:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, they don't do it out there.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: I've heard that, but I wasn't sure I wasn't like positive if it was true or not.
10:15
SPEAKER_04: No, yeah, are you sure it's not just them like they've decided they're not gonna participate?
10:20
SPEAKER_04: No, because they were just visiting, just a neighborhood, yeah, yeah.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: Damn it, yeah, yeah.
10:27
SPEAKER_02: It was like the wild, I was like, I didn't know that was a thing.
10:30
SPEAKER_00: Half half of the city of Phoenix is late to work because they just refuse to participate.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:36
SPEAKER_02: Not that Migos, though, they'll be on time.
10:38
SPEAKER_02: Oh boys, dude.
10:39
SPEAKER_02: They'll always be on time.
10:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what's his name?
10:42
SPEAKER_00: Governor DeSantis over here in Florida was talking about doing away with it at one point too, but yeah, I don't know.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: They just better do they better do away with it the right way.
10:51
SPEAKER_02: Those politicians.
10:52
SPEAKER_02: Not the bad way where we get less light.
10:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, and make sure they make the right decision because I don't trust politicians to make that decision, right?
11:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: So, well, I mean, you guys, let's let's get the listeners what we're really all here for tonight is to uh you know break down the the war in Iran, um, each of us to give our our our expert uh legal, political, and military um guidance and advice.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I had some senators and some congressmen reach out to me over the weekend.
11:25
SPEAKER_00: And um, no, all kidding, all kidding aside, I was thinking about this today, and we're I know we're not getting political, and I'm not I'm not about to get political, but I but I think it's like a it's a really no matter who you are, where you live, it's gotta be a scary time to a degree, right?
11:43
SPEAKER_00: There's like a level of like OS S H I T, what's about to happen?
11:47
SPEAKER_00: And I think this is where I net out.
11:50
SPEAKER_00: And I and I truly feel like I think I I would say this no matter what the current administration is in our country.
11:58
SPEAKER_00: I know we, you know, everybody joked about Joe Biden and all that stuff and all that, but I have to believe that when it comes to serious matters like this, like at a certain point, they're not gonna listen to us, right?
12:10
SPEAKER_00: They're not even necessarily gonna listen to the quote people.
12:15
SPEAKER_00: I have to just trust that they know what they're doing, and I know that's a broad statement, it's like, well, maybe they don't, but like that there's a lot of really smart effing people in our military leadership and at that level of leadership that knows what they're doing and has studied this and has exhausted every single avenue and resource.
12:36
SPEAKER_00: And I just have to trust as a powerless American or a powerless human being that like they know what they're doing, you know what I mean?
12:44
SPEAKER_00: And also weird, but no, but like I I agree with that too.
12:48
SPEAKER_02: It's like going to the doctor, I don't Google doctor him.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: I I trust he knows what he's doing because I I'm not that much of an expert to where I it's the same.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: Like, I take that in every aspect of life.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh the car mechanic, you know what I mean?
12:58
SPEAKER_02: Like it's like that, but and also like they're also privy to just like a doctor or anything, they're privy to a whole bunch of information that we are not.
13:06
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
13:07
SPEAKER_00: That's what I mean.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: And they have all intents and purposes, whether you you you think the president's a doofus or not, or whether you thought the last president was a doofus or not, there's a lot of really, really smart people that 24-7 around the clock is like up to speed on this stuff and have assets in place and have intelligence and just all kinds of stuff, you know.
13:30
SPEAKER_00: So I just have to trust that they know what they're doing.
13:32
SPEAKER_00: I pray for not just American lives, but all lives, you know, really and truly.
13:37
SPEAKER_00: Um really and truly just all lives and stuff.
13:40
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
13:41
SPEAKER_00: Felt like that was at least something we should put.
13:44
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: It feels it would have felt wrong not to at least bring it up because it's a major, it's a major thing.
13:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude.
13:50
SPEAKER_02: That's what it's it's it could turn into a whole, you know what I mean, a a a big ordeal.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: And I honestly do like me, like deep down, and like, you know, it probably won't happen, but like possibly that this could reach a point that maybe it brings people together more than more apart.
14:05
SPEAKER_02: That's like that's the way honestly, like I looked at it, because even like the Israel and US company, you know what I mean?
14:11
SPEAKER_02: Like, and I hear like a lot of people talking and stuff, eventually maybe it gets to a point that maybe some information is released as to why and as to these things, but that it could bring people together that we are really protecting uh American citizens and it could possibly bring it together.
14:26
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure wishful thinking, probably, but I that's the way I look at it.
14:31
SPEAKER_00: I get it.
14:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
14:34
SPEAKER_04: So this is your uh your weekly reminder to to not forget that all the crazy shit in the Epstein files.
14:42
SPEAKER_04: You know, there there's a lot of crazy stuff going on around the globe, but let's let's not forget that there's uh a huge part of our uh high society that's involved in some very nefarious um things.
14:56
SPEAKER_00: Didn't what's his name get how was I might have missed the boat on this?
14:59
SPEAKER_00: Prince was it Prince William, Prince Andrew?
15:01
SPEAKER_04: I know Prince Andrew got oh yeah, he got arrested, right?
15:03
SPEAKER_04: Yep, he's got he got arrested, yep.
15:06
SPEAKER_04: So the dominoes hopefully start falling.
15:09
SPEAKER_00: It is funny though, like all right, hold on a second.
15:13
SPEAKER_00: It is funny that the one the one person of real substance noteworthy that's been arrested is not an American, like it is a little but I I think it it it speaks volumes, and I think that we need to really kind of take that tack in America because you know, like the royals are supposed to be untouchable right in England, right?
15:35
SPEAKER_04: They they are they you know they don't they are not governed by the same set of laws that the rest of the people are, and for the royals to basically not only turn their back on one of their own, but then sit here and say, Hey, to the police, to you know, uh we're we're gonna cooperate fully, you know, we're we're behind you 100%, you know, do what you gotta do to the guy.
15:55
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, there's just there's so many levels to it because like I feel like it falls into the same category of what we just said that we're we're not privy to any kind of information or things or acts or what like you know what I mean, why this person's getting arrested or that it's like just so hard, man, to like you just gotta trust it and and it's like kind of is what it is, because who am I?
16:14
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Whether it's the government doing this or government doing that, or you know, people conspiracies about COVID and you know creating uh clones and all this.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
16:23
SPEAKER_02: It's just like dude, I'm not gonna.
16:24
SPEAKER_04: Well, and again, and not not to get too political and and whatnot, but I think a lot of it is very telling when you have um what you had happen over this past week in Congress, where they unanimously voted on both sides to not release um a lot of information on which one of them have which ones of them have uh had you know sexual harassment stuff filed against them and and all that kind of stuff.
16:51
SPEAKER_04: They they all uh voted unanimo well not unanimously, but it was overwhelming majority voted to keep that information all uh you know um classified.
17:03
SPEAKER_04: And I think that that is very telling.
17:06
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, heaven forbid the American people know who they're voting for.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: Right.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: I look at I look at I look at that opposite though, you know what I mean?
17:16
SPEAKER_02: Because uh Trevor Bau or Trevor Bauer, uh you know what I mean?
17:20
SPEAKER_02: You you have this one guy that has his ball player, yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:24
SPEAKER_02: So you have one secretary that said that you looked at her the wrong way, and now this guy and his family's life is ruined.
17:32
SPEAKER_02: You know, like I I mean I look at it as the opposite of that because you don't the same thing, man.
17:36
SPEAKER_02: The information is like you want them, you know, like to release, and that's kind of like you know, what the newspaper does is telling you they don't want you to release, like it's not in the conjecture that 60 million people were raped inside the White House and all these uh senators and stuff like that.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: I just look at it opposite of as like we live in a day and age where like you know, if there's something sustained that someone gets arrested, it should be released.
17:58
SPEAKER_02: But if these are human resource ref uh files and stuff like that, I mean I just don't think that we're privy to that.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: Because if there was something that was arrestable or an offense, that it's you know, I I just don't think it's worth ruining everyone's lives.
18:10
SPEAKER_04: And I and I do see that side of it as well.
18:13
SPEAKER_04: I I get that wholeheartedly, but at the same time, we are supposed to be we're electing our politicians because we're holding them to a higher standard, oh yeah, agree, uh a higher moral standard, um and and and ethical standard as well.
18:28
SPEAKER_04: So yes, and yeah, I but I can see your point for sure because yeah, like what does it take but one person's hearsay to ruin somebody's life as well?
18:37
SPEAKER_04: So there's that.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it goes back to what we said last week or even the week before, like you just don't still know what's true and what's not.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: There's so much out there.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: I do think that it's slowly the truth, or at least a clearer picture is slowly starting to come out.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: But I I don't know, man.
18:53
SPEAKER_04: It's it's it's so hard, it's so hard to um we to really figure out what is and what isn't wealth and knowledge at our fingertips, and yet we still uh it's there's the the misinformation out there makes makes the water so muddy, you know.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: Well it's kind of like that whole theory, like you just throw out a whole bunch of different scenarios, you know, you throw out as many as you can, and you point the finger at as many people as you can, and you smear the name and just mention the name of as many people as you can, and you just cause confusion, you cause mass confusion, and then you don't, you just literally don't know what's what's what and what's not.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, and it's it's it's so hard, man.
19:30
SPEAKER_02: Because like that's like the way I the lens I always look at through is like full sympathy, you know what I mean?
19:35
SPEAKER_02: To where it's like, you know, the one guy that will get swept up that did absolutely nothing, and now his kids can't go to school, and now his his his wife he gets divorced because of it.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: Like, that's the way I like you know what I mean.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: Like, I just like I feel like sympathy for that guy, but that doesn't make it right for everyone else to do what they do and not get exposed.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: It was like such a hard catch 22.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: Look at Bill Cosby, man.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: Innocent as can be, geez.
19:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm just kidding.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: OJ OJ Stimpson, let's go.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm just kidding.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: What was what was uh what was I forgot I done forgot his name, the quarterback, the tech Deshaun Watson.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: Come on, man.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: Like the guy can't even, you know.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, come on, no.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: I kid I just let him kidding for all the people who will never watch this to see our laughing faces.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: We take this stuff as a very serious matter.
20:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, all right, guys, let's let's uh pivot, as uh Ross from Friends would say.
20:25
SPEAKER_00: Pivot.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: Um all right, so a few weeks ago, a good amount of weeks ago now, we talked about inventory, house cleaning, cleaning our side of the street, right?
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Like getting this stuff out on paper, talking to somebody else about it, you know, make restitution, make amends, apologies where necessary.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: We enter a phase of of this recovery talk, and and for those who who have been around recovery, they I'm sure they've said they're sensing a pattern at this point.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: But we're we're entering a phase of, all right, we've kind of cleared a like in theory, we've cleared away all the wreckage of the past, or at least most of it, or at the very least, we're working on it, we've made a good dent in it, we've got it all down on paper, we've talked to somebody, we've made amends, we're cleaning our side of the street.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: But Greg, does that mean that like we're these perfect, recovered, sober human beings from this point, and we never make another mistake?
21:18
SPEAKER_00: I don't think it does.
21:20
SPEAKER_00: No, no, it doesn't.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: Um so talk, talk, so that was a to set that up.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: So I want to talk about a little what do you do on a daily basis to keep your side of the street clean?
21:32
SPEAKER_04: Well, um, you know, like we like this whole thing hinges on, and we've talked about numerous times.
21:38
SPEAKER_04: Like I talk to my higher power.
21:41
SPEAKER_04: I I have a daily conversation with my higher higher power um i upon waking and before I go to bed.
21:49
SPEAKER_04: And that, you know, those kind of things are uh, you know, absolutely vital.
21:54
SPEAKER_04: It is a um non negotiable as far as uh I'm concerned.
22:00
SPEAKER_04: And that's that's the way that I was brought up.
22:02
SPEAKER_04: But do I always do it immediately upon rising out of bed?
22:06
SPEAKER_04: Hit my knees.
22:07
SPEAKER_04: No, no, I don't.
22:08
SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, but I I find when I do like like things get better, you know, and and things get you know um much clearer, much quicker.
22:17
SPEAKER_04: But you know, um there's times I wake up at four in the morning, I'm trying to be quiet and and not rumble around the bedroom and wake up my fiance, you know, um, things like that.
22:27
SPEAKER_04: So uh, but I I have a daily conversation and um just like our literature talks about, I keep it very close to what that is, is like I look for um throughout my day, you know, in the in the morning I'm asking for God's grace, right?
22:43
SPEAKER_04: I'm asking for uh you know direction in my day.
22:48
SPEAKER_04: And then um upon, you know, uh in the evening, what I'm looking for is where have I been selfish, dishonest, resentful, fearful, um, self-seeking, all that kind of stuff.
23:01
SPEAKER_04: Where where have I treated uh the rest of God's kids not so fairly, not so well, not nearly as well as I know that I'm able to.
23:09
SPEAKER_04: Um and sometimes like I don't wait until nighttime when that happens, you know.
23:14
SPEAKER_04: I like sometimes I can I can do like that spot check on the spot when I'm in the wrong.
23:20
SPEAKER_04: And maybe, maybe I'm heated in the moment, maybe maybe the ginger heat has come over me and my face is flush, and and I I you know gotta stomp around by myself for a minute and then I go back into whatever situation I'm in, but damn, you know what?
23:33
SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry, man, I was wrong, you know, I was wrong for that.
23:36
SPEAKER_04: Um you know, please forgive me, you know, and or or or however that conversation goes.
23:42
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I I do um, you know, in essence, a nightly inventory, and I think that that's very important, you know.
23:49
SPEAKER_04: If is you know, the our literature talks about, and you know, I know from from working in my line of work, like uh a business that doesn't take a regular inventory goes broke.
23:58
SPEAKER_04: So this this process was not meant to be worked one time, right?
24:01
SPEAKER_04: Do I need to get every single thing down on paper?
24:05
SPEAKER_04: Maybe you know, or maybe I don't, maybe I can do it um, you know, uh through through prayer and through some self-reflection.
24:14
SPEAKER_04: But either way, regardless of how I do it, like it still needs to be done on a daily basis if I'm going to um keep check of of my actions, my behavior for sure.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: Dan, what about you?
24:27
SPEAKER_00: What do you obviously you know I made the joke, are we these perfect human beings?
24:32
SPEAKER_00: Now the answer is no, obviously not.
24:34
SPEAKER_00: What do you do on a daily basis to keep your side of the street clean, to set right any new mistakes?
24:39
SPEAKER_00: How do you go about that?
24:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh set setting down to my knees in the morning, man, you know, and asking for direction.
24:46
SPEAKER_02: And for me, it's mainly to uh uh to ask to be relieved of the things that hamper me, selfishness, you know, self-seeking, and all the things that will block me from the, you know, as it says, the entering the world of the spirit, man.
24:59
SPEAKER_02: Where everything inside and everything that I do needs to be based on how can I be most effective to others, yeah, whether at work or whether it's holding a door for somebody or something like that.
25:11
SPEAKER_02: And for me, like after that, like when I don't do that, because there's days, like you we just said, you know, we're not perfect.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: There's days when I have to get up, I woke up late and I gotta go, gotta go, gotta go.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: And you know what I mean?
25:21
SPEAKER_02: And life takes over, and I do that, and you feel that, you feel that, and you you might not feel it right away, but I love like when Corey said, breathe in that fresh air, it's such a profound statement for the way that we live our life because it's so true, it's so true.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: Breathing fresh air, you can feel when you're in that smog and you feel like you're walking around China, you know, you can feel it, man.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: You can, you can feel it.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: Or San Francisco, yeah, yeah, or San Francisco, yeah.
25:45
SPEAKER_02: But you can feel it blocks you off and it blocks you off from the from the spirit, from God in your life, you know, it's like it blocks you off from being a being a good person and helping other people.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: And then for me, I I have to do like daily spot check, you know what I mean?
25:58
SPEAKER_02: And that's usually bouncing stuff off of other people, you know, whether it's my friends or you guys or something like that, where it's like if I feel something in that moment, I have to spot check it.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: Cause for me, it's like uh to make it real in my head, and I'm not at home or I can't write it down at that moment, I have to bounce it off somebody, and then it kind of like sets in my head, like, all right, and then when I get home at night, my biggest thing is writing stuff down because writing it down makes it and seeing the words makes it real, and it's just the littlest thing in the world.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: And I just had this conversation, I think, with Alyssa, or yeah, I think it was with Alyssa, just had this conversation with her about it, is that I always over talk and I over talk to the point where like with my customers or whoever, just to make sure they're okay and I'm being of you know what I mean.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: Like it's you're guilty of that too, Dan.
26:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, always dude, because I always feel I want to make sure everyone's okay, and it's you know, it's kind of like a people-pleasing thing, but it's also just one like I want to make sure I'm doing my best to be most effective in this situation.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: Is there anything like at the end of every job?
26:54
SPEAKER_02: I ask customers, hey, you know, how is my performance during the job?
26:58
SPEAKER_02: And if there was things I could have done better, what are they?
27:00
SPEAKER_02: So I can be most effective moving forward.
27:02
SPEAKER_02: And I treat that in life in the same thing because with people that are my best friends, you know, is there something I did that could harm me?
27:08
SPEAKER_02: What could I have done better in this situation, or when someone's complaining to you or, you know, just spilling the beans, and so many times that I won't listen, I want to react with a response and give them an answer or give them advice when all they want is me to listen, you know, and I realize that situation didn't go well and ask like, how can I be more effective?
27:27
SPEAKER_02: And that's God in your life and asking him, taking that step back and taking that breath.
27:32
SPEAKER_02: For me, taking that step back and taking that breath, and and then I can really see clearly kind of what's going on, you know.
27:38
SPEAKER_02: But that's uh spot checks during the day is huge for me, especially because my days with work and customers and stuff, they're all over the place.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Maya, this, that, the other thing going on.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: Is that if I don't do spot checks, then by the time seven o'clock comes, I'm past the point of return.
27:52
SPEAKER_02: And you know what I mean?
27:53
SPEAKER_02: In my spiritual being, where it's like it gets to a point, and I had to feel that to correct that course, you know.
27:58
SPEAKER_02: But like I said early on, it was a lot more simpler because life wasn't as lifey as we like to say, you know, not as much responsibilities.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: My biggest worry was, you know, am I gonna make the five mile mile mile walk to the hall?
28:11
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
28:12
SPEAKER_02: And what am I gonna eat?
28:13
SPEAKER_00: You know, sorry, I drank the guy's milk in the halfway house.
28:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
28:17
SPEAKER_02: Who's gonna steal my cornbread?
28:20
SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, I mean, spot checks are huge.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's it, you know, like every morning, gotta hit your knees and and ask for direction, you know, and uh feel that relief of whatever problem that you have this day is going to be okay no matter what.
28:33
SPEAKER_02: And you just need to face it, you know what I mean, whether it's you know anything personally with your kids or whatever, and that gives you the power and the strength to be in the spirit, and um, you know, just to it says in our literature effectiveness, you know what I mean?
28:48
SPEAKER_02: Effectiveness as a human, effectiveness as a mentor, effectiveness like that's you know, I want to try my best, and through God's power that I can be most effective in life, you know.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yep.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: I Dan, the over talking thing is I dude, I'm I've gotten I've gotten better at it over the years, but here's where tell me if you can relate to this.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: I think not only do I know what you're feeling and what you're thinking, I think I can articulate and explain how you're feeling and your thinking better than you, and I can also also offer a solution and an explanation to how you're feeling and you're thinking.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: And I dude, I'm I'm guilt, like I'm so guilty of it.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: And I sometimes just need to be a good listener, right?
29:31
SPEAKER_00: I just need to shut my mouth and listen.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it comes from a good spot.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
29:35
SPEAKER_01: Like we're trying to, yeah.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: I'll say this it it's it doesn't come from a malicious spot.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, it's still selfish, it's still self-me thinking like, oh, I know what's best for you, but it's not I'm not trying to be mean with it, I'm not trying to be malicious.
29:50
SPEAKER_00: But to your point, it's like I think I can make this all okay, or I can I can just don't worry, like you don't even need to speak.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: I can explain this for all of us, and I I've fallen to that, and uh some of them very aware of that, and like the I over-explain myself too sometimes.
30:03
SPEAKER_00: Like I I kill, I put a point to death by just talking about it.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: I've gotten much better at it over the years, but it's something I'm something I'm aware of.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: And um, so it's funny, Dan, you say all that.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: I want to read something from our literature real quick because this this will sum it up.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: And you you talked about the effectiveness.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, but it says this thought brings us to a point in our recovery where we continue to take personal inventory and continue to set right any new mistakes as we go along, right?
30:31
SPEAKER_00: So it says continue twice in that sentence.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, we vigorously commenced this way of living as we cleaned up the past.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: So this it kind of goes in tandem with this whole amends process.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: Like this is something we should be doing while we're we're working on this list and this, these amends, and all that.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: We have entered the world of the spirit.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: Our next function, this is what to what you said, Dan, our next function is to grow in understanding and effectiveness.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: I was taught that that specific line, I'm not trying to understand myself or my own spiritual condition better.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to specifically grow in understanding and effectiveness for everyone who came after me, right?
31:13
SPEAKER_00: So it's whether it's the new, the brand new person to recovery, trying to put my trying to remember what it was like to be two months sober and not 14 months and 10, 14 years and 10 months sober, right?
31:25
SPEAKER_00: I can't talk to a newcomer from 14 and a half years of sobriety because it's a whole different wavelength.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: I got to try to remember what I felt like at two months of sobriety and talk to that newcomer just like that.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: It's it's growing in understanding and effectiveness of others, right?
31:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then it says, this is not an overnight matter.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna be perfect at it right away or ever.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: It should continue for our lifetime.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: And here's here's what I love.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: This is like the specific instruction guide for people like us.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: Continue to watch for selfishness, dishonesty, resentment, and fear.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: When these crop up, meaning they are going to crop up, I promise you they will.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: We ask God at once to remove them, we discuss them with someone immediately, we make amends quickly if we've harmed anyone, then we resolutely turn our thoughts to someone we can help.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: Love and tolerance of others is our code.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: And I know you guys are very familiar with that.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: I know you know we've all we've all read that, but that is, you know, I you know me.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't like I never like to say, oh, this is more important than this part of this, or that's more important, but but this is kind of like okay, we've worked this process up to now, we've done the inventory, we've you know talked to someone about it, we've made these bulk of our amends from our past, but now it's about living that spiritual way of life from here on, and that is sometimes more challenging than any of it and the rest of it.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: Um so, Greg, like this idea of progress, not perfection, or progress versus perfection, right?
33:02
SPEAKER_00: Because there's another point in our literature that says uh we claim spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: And many people take that out of context, and what do they say?
33:10
SPEAKER_00: They say, Oh, it's progress, not perfection, and no, no, cliche.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: It's not what the literature says.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: The literature says spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: But with that thought in mind, Greg, how do we keep from falling into what we would call morbid reflection or beating ourselves up for every tiny mistake?
33:30
SPEAKER_04: Well, uh, in the in the words of our um currently absent co-host, I would say, Oh my god, spare me, right?
33:42
SPEAKER_04: Um and that's just it, dude.
33:45
SPEAKER_04: With the morbid reflection, it goes right back into the victim mentality, the woe is me that we spent so many years living and wallowing in.
33:57
SPEAKER_04: I mean, that that's it right there.
33:59
SPEAKER_04: We are spiritual beings living a human existence, right?
34:06
SPEAKER_04: Traveling wildlife through this the this uh sack of meat and bones, right?
34:13
SPEAKER_04: We are gonna make mistakes, right?
34:15
SPEAKER_04: We are gonna make a lot of them.
34:17
SPEAKER_04: Um this is the you know, the process we just talked about is is what we need to do to fix those things on the daily, but to drift off into oh, I'm just I'm just such a horrible person, and why can't I just stop being like this?
34:31
SPEAKER_04: You can, you absolutely can.
34:34
SPEAKER_04: It it it's it's done through action.
34:36
SPEAKER_04: The with the passage that you just read, Sean, the two words that stick out to me the most vigorously and resolutely, right?
34:44
SPEAKER_04: So we're not only doing this, we're we're we're action with great energy or or robust force, right?
34:52
SPEAKER_04: But the resoluteness of it, right?
34:54
SPEAKER_04: The the deep down in my core, I know that these are the things that I must do if I want to be a good human being and be worthwhile to my brothers and sisters out here on this planet, right?
35:06
SPEAKER_04: And it that that those are the two things it comes down to for me.
35:10
SPEAKER_04: It's so it's not do I don't drift off into morbid reflection.
35:14
SPEAKER_04: Are there times where I might say to myself, hey man, you knew way better, you knew better, and you just need to be better?
35:23
SPEAKER_04: Sure, absolutely.
35:24
SPEAKER_04: I think I think that's a true measure of a man, right?
35:27
SPEAKER_04: There is to be able to to really sit there in silence and look at your mistakes and analyze them and say, Hey, like we both know you we you know, we know we're better than this, right?
35:39
SPEAKER_04: Um but to to sit here and and like that that victim mentality um is when it when it says later on in our literature that we recoil, um, you know, if if tempted by by alcohol or or drugs or whatever, that we recoil from a hot as as from a hot flame, I recoil from that.
36:00
SPEAKER_04: And I'll I'll tell you, like, the times I've need there's times I've needed to stop myself from, you know, when I'm talking to a newcomer or talking to somebody who's who's not even a newcomer yet, but they're still drinking, they're still using, because when that victim mentality starts to pour out, like I see so much of myself in that and the way that I used to be, and blame the world for all of my problems that I I almost like I gotta stop myself from like letting that person have it because it's not yeah their fault they're stuck in it, you know, at that moment.
36:32
SPEAKER_04: But I was stuck in it for too long, I don't need to be stuck in it anymore.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Dan, why is it so important that we we the word promptly, right?
36:43
SPEAKER_00: We like right away promptly.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: Why is it so important that that that word exists, that we carry out this practice promptly, that we don't let it go for days and days and days, and god forbid weeks and weeks, that we take when we become aware of a mistake we've made that we owe an amends, why is it so important that we do it promptly?
37:03
SPEAKER_00: Why is that vital?
37:05
SPEAKER_02: Because the last step of the relapse is taking the drink.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: You know, so that's really the biggest thing to me is that I know all the things add up.
37:13
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like that and same thing where we are now is that we talked about it last week, man.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: You know, uh someone told me, All right, all right, now you're done drinking, now what?
37:21
SPEAKER_02: It's the same on both sides of the street, you know what I mean?
37:24
SPEAKER_02: Because that's like you're gonna lead up to like the stuff in the middle, you know what I mean?
37:28
SPEAKER_02: Hopefully there is no end, but the stuff in the middle is the meat and potatoes, you know, and there's a reason, like Sean, you said that you know, no one part is better than the other and stuff, but there's a reason for me and my mentor, and he put him uh him in my life, you know, the the first thing we ever did together was working on a morning and a nightly routine.
37:47
SPEAKER_02: Yep, that was the first we didn't read one page, nothing like that, is the first thing he set me up to do a nightly inventory and what I needed to do in the morning just to set a baseline for this.
37:57
SPEAKER_02: So, like everything that with this is encoupled in the spiritual life, it really is.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: And like, you know, the morning start to me is like super key.
38:07
SPEAKER_02: But Greg said it too, man, is that being a man, you know what I mean?
38:11
SPEAKER_02: How whatever way or a woman, whatever, you know, like but being able to look your mistakes in the eye and to try and make them right and not woe is me and say, but I could have did that, you know what I mean?
38:24
SPEAKER_02: Just saying, hey man, I messed up.
38:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, let's make it right.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: What do I gotta do to make it right?
38:31
SPEAKER_02: I I even I even refrain from saying because it could be a lie.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: I do not say I won't do it again.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: I will never say that.
38:39
SPEAKER_02: I will never say that because that's the you know what I mean.
38:41
SPEAKER_02: I can't speak that with 100% certainty that that's going to be a thing, and I won't do that and say that lie because that's back to the uh using days, you know what I mean?
38:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh mama, I promise it won't happen again.
38:52
SPEAKER_02: It was only 20 bucks, you know, like but like those are like things that's you know, I I won't say that, but yeah, I mean, it really to me, like you have to do the stuff in the middle because it all adds up, man.
39:04
SPEAKER_02: It's just slowly that little thing that you know you didn't hold.
39:07
SPEAKER_02: I mean, for me, it's like it's like stupid little stuff.
39:10
SPEAKER_02: I didn't hold the freaking door for that woman that was behind me, and that'll eat me up, you know what I mean?
39:16
SPEAKER_02: And it's like that uh or I didn't do this for this other thing, or dude, I I mean, I don't know how you if you guys ever experienced that.
39:21
SPEAKER_02: Like if you go into a gas station or something like that and someone doesn't have enough money to pay, I will always pay every single time.
39:28
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
39:29
SPEAKER_02: Like, and it's just these things that add up, and you know, uh people call it karma or whatever, but that's like the spiritual life that you live and those things and how you're going to be effective, you know, in your in your spiritual life to other people, you know, whether it's you know, people in a recovery meeting or whatever is just the effectiveness takes the totality of who you are as a human being in the world to be effective.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: Dan, I love I love how you open that with because the drink is the last part of the relapse, because man, you're absolutely right.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: Like all these little things, these little missteps, these little you know, mess ups that we have, in and of themselves, they don't make us bad people.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: We're not bad recoveries, we're not this, we're not that.
40:15
SPEAKER_00: But like if we let them pile up and they continue, um, as as my you know, late mentor, Papa Rahan, would say to me, he said, son, I don't care if you make a hundred new mistakes today.
40:27
SPEAKER_00: He said, just try and not make the same mistake over and over and over again, right?
40:31
SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, we let those things pile up, and you're absolutely right.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: And it kind of brings into another point that I want to talk about, but like you let all these little things pile up, and that produces guilt, shame, remorse, whatever, you know, whatever you want.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: And that is what shuts us off from this eventually that breeds resentment.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: That's what shuts us, or at least it's easier to catch a resentment, right?
40:57
SPEAKER_00: When I'm not in a good place and I'm riddled with guilt, shame, and remorse, it's much easier for me to catch a resentment than if I'm in fit spiritual condition.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: And if I have all those things and I catch that resentment, I shut myself off from the sunlight of the spirit, and now I'm in real dangerous, real dangerous territory, you know, heading, heading back for the drink.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: So that that kind of brings me to, and I don't really know how I want to frame this, so maybe you guys can help, but the emotional hangover part, right?
41:23
SPEAKER_00: I get, you know, this part of the process, the the spot check inventory, the trying to correct any new mistakes as soon as we become aware of them.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: Let's say these occur in the grocery store, in the workplace, even at home, right, with our loved ones.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: Should we try to correct these as soon as they happen?
41:46
SPEAKER_00: Or I guess this is three part, as soon as they happen, or once I become aware of them, because those two things are not always simultaneous.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: I walk away from a situation many times thinking, like, I didn't do anything wrong.
42:00
SPEAKER_00: That person's the more at fault, I'm good.
42:03
SPEAKER_00: And then two, three hours later, a day later, whatever, I'm like, you know what?
42:08
SPEAKER_00: Damn, I I did I did mess up, I did have a fault.
42:12
SPEAKER_00: I was selfish or dishonest or whatever the case may be.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: So is it should I do it right away?
42:17
SPEAKER_00: Should I do it as soon as I become aware of it?
42:19
SPEAKER_00: And then the third part of that is are there situations where I should maybe wait a little bit, let things cool down, let cooler heads prevail, and then seek out a conversation.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: Greg, what do you think?
42:31
SPEAKER_00: Did that make sense?
42:31
SPEAKER_00: Do you guys kind of get where I'm going with that?
42:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
42:34
SPEAKER_04: Um, I think that it, you know, it's it's all situational based.
42:39
SPEAKER_04: I mean, obviously, if it's something like in the middle of a grocery store or something like that, and and you really you do feel even in the moment, um like you're in the right, but then it very quickly becomes like it doesn't at the at the end of the day, this a lot of these things don't boil down to right or wrong.
42:58
SPEAKER_04: It boils down to hey, we we interfered in somebody's day in a not so great way, and even though if we didn't think it was negative, maybe they thought it was, and so maybe we need to make that right.
43:08
SPEAKER_04: So I think you know, something like that uh should be handled right away.
43:13
SPEAKER_04: Um I I have said this before, and I I firmly mean it.
43:19
SPEAKER_04: Like I think that the key, uh the one of the biggest keys to success in a relationship with your loved ones, especially with your spouse or significant other, is uh communication, right?
43:31
SPEAKER_04: Um because the the communication will help to eradicate resentments before they start to really grow and faster.
43:41
SPEAKER_04: Um I don't we well, Lauren and I, we don't go to bed angry.
43:46
SPEAKER_04: That's not to say that we don't go to bed sometimes with some things that might need chewing on for a day or two, uh you know, for sure.
43:55
SPEAKER_04: But you know, if if it like I can't sleep, you know, you know what I'm saying?
44:00
SPEAKER_04: Like I I can't like I I'm I'm I'm big on my sleep boys.
44:04
SPEAKER_04: I like my sleep.
44:05
SPEAKER_04: I usually fall asleep real easy like a baby.
44:07
SPEAKER_04: But well Big Red sleeps hard there, Danny.
44:11
SPEAKER_04: Sleeps hard, boys.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: But it gets so bad when you sleep so peacefully in a fight though.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: I know.
44:17
SPEAKER_04: And I can't, dude.
44:18
SPEAKER_04: When like we're like really kind of if we're button heads, like I can't.
44:22
SPEAKER_04: So I have to talk that out at least to a point where it's like, hey, you know what?
44:27
SPEAKER_04: There's some stuff we got to talk about, and we'll talk about it tomorrow.
44:30
SPEAKER_04: We'll talk about it in a couple days.
44:31
SPEAKER_04: But I love you.
44:32
SPEAKER_04: Um, you're the person that I chose, and uh, you know, good night type deal.
44:36
SPEAKER_04: Um, and and that's that that's what it has to be, you know.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, so let me let me paul me stop right there because I I I I agree with that because and I think we talked about this not too long ago.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, people a lot of you hear a lot of people say, and if if this is their how they deal with it, fine, totally cool.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: They their situation works for them.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: We say, Oh, we never go to bed angry, or we never go to bed without resolving an issue.
44:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, sorry to break it to you, when you've been married a long time or just together with someone for a long time.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes there are arguments or conversations that you are both you are not going to come to a resolution at 10:30 p.m.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: on a Tuesday evening.
45:15
SPEAKER_00: Right.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: And to your point, Greg, I love you, you're the person I chose.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing that can change that.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: Let's go to bed and reconvene in the morning.
45:22
SPEAKER_00: Like, that is, I think that's just a healthy way to go about things.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes, not all the time, but like sometimes it's okay to do that.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's all.
45:31
SPEAKER_04: I just want to say, and well, and like I need to remind myself of that sometimes because I'm the one that like if there's something wrong, I'll be what's what's wrong?
45:41
SPEAKER_04: What's what's the and like I'll pick out?
45:43
SPEAKER_04: Tell me, tell me what's wrong, right?
45:45
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
45:46
SPEAKER_04: And sometimes I need to take my own advice, which is like, hey, be a man, shut up, you know, sit in the silence and just you know, be okay with it and and just take it all in.
45:57
SPEAKER_00: So our significant others, they know that they can talk to us anytime they want about anything at any point in time.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: We don't need to like if we can tell something's wrong, what's wrong?
46:08
SPEAKER_00: Tell me, let's talk.
46:09
SPEAKER_00: What do you come on?
46:10
SPEAKER_00: Like, I can be okay not knowing for right now.
46:15
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
46:15
SPEAKER_04: And that, like I said, I gotta tell myself that quite often, but but it it is, it's it's part of it, is this process that we're talking about, right?
46:23
SPEAKER_04: Is this it's coming from that.
46:24
SPEAKER_04: Like, I want to resolve it, and I think that's that's part of the thing, right?
46:28
SPEAKER_04: Is like our our own kind of um inner selfishness is uh is is kind of brewing and tied right into that because it's like like I want to solve this, I want to right.
46:39
SPEAKER_04: Maybe that's not the right time, maybe we do need to just chill and and kind of let those things play out.
46:45
SPEAKER_04: But I don't think the uh the answer is ever to let them linger to a point where there is, you know, like I said, some some serious resentment brewing.
46:55
SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, and and that's not even just with our significant other.
46:59
SPEAKER_04: I think that that goes with the people you work with the the friends, the friends you have, yeah, all that, your family, all that for sure.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: Danny, so let's let's you I'll use your work as an example if that's all right.
47:12
SPEAKER_00: Like when you have a misstep with a customer or a client or a uh another business, maybe you get supplies from materials from, are you correct in that right away?
47:22
SPEAKER_00: Or is it like, you know what, I'm gonna circle back at the end of the day and talk to that vendor and talk to that whatever or that customer.
47:30
SPEAKER_00: What how what does that look like, or is it all situational dependent for you too?
47:33
SPEAKER_02: It it's kind of situational, but I would say 85% promptly.
47:38
SPEAKER_02: You know, uh it's you know, situated because a lot of my customers are like family man, where it's like I know their schedule and I'm like, you know, he's with his kids at night and stuff, so I'm gonna let that simmer till the morning.
47:48
SPEAKER_02: I'll see him.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: Most of the time, if I there's any qualms with anybody, uh hey, are you gonna be home?
47:54
SPEAKER_02: I'll be there in 10 minutes and it's face-to-face.
47:56
SPEAKER_02: I won't do text, I won't do phone calls.
47:58
SPEAKER_02: It'll be uh uh a face-to-face conversation because that's the only way that I feel it's okay to get my point across of hey, I'm sorry, man, I didn't mean to do this and stuff like that, where via text and any of that stuff.
48:10
SPEAKER_02: That's that's huge to me, is face-to-face actual communication, right?
48:14
SPEAKER_02: You know, not doing it via text and phone.
48:16
SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, I mean, that's kind of situational.
48:18
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that stuff promptly.
48:20
SPEAKER_02: But I love like what you guys said.
48:21
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's uh we're a big proponent of that here, too, is you know, like uh in a relationally is uh, you know, the simple you okay, you good, and then if there's an answer, cool.
48:30
SPEAKER_02: If there's not an answer, moving on.
48:32
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
48:33
SPEAKER_02: Because like that's just that's just a little check-in, you know what I mean, where it's like uh because I I've been asked, Are you okay?
48:38
SPEAKER_02: And I was kind of waiting for her to ask that, and then I spill all the beans, and same thing on her on her level, you know what I mean, where you just do that, but like also, like you said, like trusting that they're they feel okay to say something to you, but it's just like that little nudge, and then if there's any kind of qualms, sleeping on it in a relationship to me, like that's the best thing you could do because everyone comes back to it with you know I mean, a wider perspective on things.
49:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's not there's I always have a better and a better perspective in the morning, usually after I've had a good night's sleep and said some prayers and spent some time with God in the morning.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: Um so I want to kind of close this part of the segment with one more reading that um you guys are very familiar with.
49:21
SPEAKER_00: But I I again, you know, I hesitate to say that any any part of this recovery process is more important than the other.
49:28
SPEAKER_00: But I do think that where we're at right now, what we're specifically talking about today is vital to sustained and continued recovery, right?
49:38
SPEAKER_00: Because we've talked about it.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: It's it's one thing to make the decision and tell somebody else about it and put it on paper, like that's all vitally important as well.
49:46
SPEAKER_00: And I get up to a certain point and I start to make a lot of these amends for past mistakes, but I have to live now, right?
49:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm living in this in the spirit world now.
49:56
SPEAKER_00: God wants me to live in the here and now, the fourth dimension, as our literature calls it.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: So if I'm making all these, and we know people like that that just continue to to butt heads with people in recovery currently, and time and time again, and um it's probably a deeper conversation, but um this this should kind of wrap things up as best we can.
50:18
SPEAKER_00: It says we have ceased fighting anything or everyone, even alcohol, right?
50:23
SPEAKER_00: I don't see threats anymore the way I used to.
50:26
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
50:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, but when I was drinking, you were definitely you were trying to steal my girlfriend, you were trying to rob me, you were trying to whatever, get my money.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everyone's out to get me, mentality.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's out to get me, you're talking shit about me, whatever.
50:39
SPEAKER_00: I don't see the world that way anymore.
50:41
SPEAKER_00: I have a vastly different perspective on the world.
50:43
SPEAKER_00: I don't see threats anymore.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm content with self.
50:46
SPEAKER_00: Are there things I'd love to like change?
50:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, would I love to shed a few pounds and get more in shape and do this and make more money?
50:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, obviously.
50:54
SPEAKER_00: But like those are just and those can be positive, ambitious things too.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: But but when all said and done, like I am comfortable with who I am, I'm comfortable in my own skin, I'm comfortable with my family.
51:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, so like the I'm not I don't see threats in the world like I used to.
51:11
SPEAKER_00: So I've I've ceased fighting anything or anyone.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, sanity has returned.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: I'll seldom be interested in liquor.
51:19
SPEAKER_00: If tempted, we recoil from it as from a hot flame.
51:23
SPEAKER_00: We react sanely and normally, and we will find that this has happened automatically.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: We will see that our new attitude toward liquor has been given us without any thought or effort on our part.
51:33
SPEAKER_00: It just comes.
51:34
SPEAKER_00: That is the miracle of it.
51:35
SPEAKER_00: We are not fighting it, neither are we avoiding temptation.
51:38
SPEAKER_00: We feel as though we have been placed in a position of neutrality, safe and protected.
51:43
SPEAKER_00: We have not even sworn off.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: Instead, the problem has been removed.
51:47
SPEAKER_00: It does not exist for us.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: We are neither cocky nor are we afraid.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: That is our experience, that is how we react, so long as we keep in fit spiritual condition.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: Now, I know we all read this and were introduced to this earlier on in our recoveries, and it's specifically in this context talking about alcohol, but I truly believe that it has a much deeper meaning in context, and we can take the word alcohol away and say, for by this time, sanity will have returned.
52:16
SPEAKER_00: We will seldom be interested in self, right?
52:20
SPEAKER_00: We are still selfish at times, but we are less and less selfish.
52:23
SPEAKER_00: We are more and more, what can I do for you rather than what can you do for me?
52:28
SPEAKER_00: Um we go, we will see that our new attitude toward life, toward whatever has been given us without any thought or effort on our part.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, we're not if uh we're to say we are not even sworn off, instead, the problem has been removed, it does not exist for us, right?
52:45
SPEAKER_00: These are things which we can carry on in our life as a result of everything we talked about tonight, of what we're gonna talk about in the coming weeks, but most importantly, circling back to that decision we made to turn our will in our lives over to the care of God.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: Um we get to this point in the recovery work this the first time around, we're not living for ourselves anymore.
53:09
SPEAKER_00: We're living for God, we're living for other people, right?
53:13
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: Um closing thoughts.
53:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, it's always so wild, you know what I mean, the the full spectrum, you know, 360, you know what I mean, that you're you're doing when you uh when we were out there being selfish and all this stuff, and then you realize that all I had to do was be in well, you know, believe in believe in a higher power, you know what I mean, and be unselfish and these things like when I all the time thought that I could fix every single problem, I could do this, I could do that.
53:43
SPEAKER_02: And it was just like the revelation of like wow, that was a lot easier than uh I thought it could have been.
53:48
SPEAKER_02: You know, I had so many answers that they never worked, it was so weird.
53:52
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's just wild.
53:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, anything, anything, Greg?
53:58
SPEAKER_04: I well, I just think that like I do like what you said about how we can we can kind of plug anything into that piece because certainly I I remember the feeling, uh actually very vividly.
54:11
SPEAKER_04: I remember the feeling of the first time where it was like, oh, that's uh that's just booze, or that's just whatever it is, and and I don't I don't feel the need.
54:21
SPEAKER_04: I don't feel not even that I don't feel the need, I don't really feel anything about it.
54:25
SPEAKER_04: It's not it's not, oh my god, get that away from me.
54:29
SPEAKER_04: And it's also not um on the other side like that I'm overthinking about it.
54:33
SPEAKER_04: It's just oh there's some booze or there's some people smoking weed.
54:37
SPEAKER_04: I'm at a concert, you know, you know, big surprise there or whatever.
54:41
SPEAKER_04: Um but I I I certainly do think like yeah, we can we can put other things into there and um and see that that this process is working in in our lives um for for a lot of stuff, you know, because like I said, the drugs and the alcohol could be uh further couldn't be further away uh nowadays.
55:02
SPEAKER_04: It's it's the thoughts of am I doing the right things for my family, am I doing the right things for other people?
55:07
SPEAKER_04: Am I trying to uh go out there and be the best human that I can be?
55:12
SPEAKER_04: You know, and and we fall short of that ideal at times, you know, but this is this is part of the work.
55:17
SPEAKER_04: But um the the whole goal like you were talking about is you know, maybe maybe we aren't necessarily like going through the whole process again um and thank God for that, right?
55:31
SPEAKER_04: But but we are doing this this daily stuff to maintain our spiritual condition, and not even maintain it.
55:38
SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't maintain is not the right word, I would say to grow it, to grow it, right?
55:43
SPEAKER_04: You know, so that that we keep continually hopefully striving towards the goal that our higher power has set for us.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh we need each other to do that, we need to be able to push each other and hold each other accountable, yeah, even when we make mistakes and missteps.
56:00
SPEAKER_00: So we all we each of us have solid women on our sides to help us do that.
56:06
SPEAKER_00: That's right, you know, in one form or fashion, whether we like it or not.
56:10
SPEAKER_00: They are they are quick to to tell us.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: Hell, my kids are quick to tell tell me and point out when I'm being grumpy, you know.
56:18
SPEAKER_00: So they're the most honest ones.
56:21
SPEAKER_02: They are true, truly, truly.
56:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh, is um Sean, does cat does Catherine ever when you start over speaking and giving giving her words, Alice?
56:29
SPEAKER_02: Does she give you the eye?
56:30
SPEAKER_02: Alyssa gives me the eyes.
56:31
SPEAKER_02: She's like, stop, stop putting fancy words in front of my face right now.
56:34
SPEAKER_00: Just stop she Catherine has this, she gets this look and she'll the way she, yeah, it's it's she gets a look and she'll start to she'll just start to hit me with the the hand.
56:47
SPEAKER_00: Okay, whatever, Sean, whatever.
56:49
SPEAKER_00: And that's how I know that I've I've hit that point, and that anything I say from here on isn't getting through, yeah, and she's not coming to the table on, but I still think I can.
57:00
SPEAKER_00: I still think I gotta drive that point home sometimes, but no, she is.
57:05
SPEAKER_00: We it's good stuff, so all right.
57:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, real quick before I totally not I meant to bring this up in the front of the show.
57:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, so anybody who does not like college basketball can totally just stop listening at this point to this episode, but real quick.
57:21
SPEAKER_00: But Greg, Dan, the Miami of Ohio Red Hawks.
57:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, dude.
57:29
SPEAKER_00: Bro, I have been I I started really paying attention when they were like 20 and oh, so like 10, 11 games ago.
57:36
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, just wild games, wild finishes.
57:41
SPEAKER_01: Do you watch the game recently?
57:43
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I watched the most recent one Friday night.
57:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's crazy, crazy.
57:47
SPEAKER_00: Two Mac teams putting up 110 plus points.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: 110, bro.
57:51
SPEAKER_01: I was like, what?
57:52
SPEAKER_00: And the little point guard man, he's and it was 108 at end of regulation, too.
57:57
SPEAKER_00: You know, it was 100 already.
57:58
SPEAKER_00: It was wild, just wild stuff, highly entertaining, highly, highly entertaining.
58:03
SPEAKER_00: It shall be an interesting tournament.
58:06
SPEAKER_00: But uh I'm hoping in all seriousness, because I think I think even if they lose first round of their conference tournament, I think they're gonna get an at-large bid, not not be part of Dayton, not in the the the play-in.
58:19
SPEAKER_00: No, they bet they'll get a seed.
58:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even if they lose.
58:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I I would love to see them get to the Sweet 16.
58:25
SPEAKER_00: I think that is that is not too far-fetched, especially matchup dependent, you know what I mean?
58:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that would be a wildly, wildly successful story if they could get to because if they get bounced in the first round, it's like then it's like, oh yeah, they were undefeated, but they didn't play anybody, which which is not untrue.
58:44
SPEAKER_00: They really don't, they really haven't played, uh, and not for lack of trying.
58:48
SPEAKER_00: I know they tried to schedule, but just some awesome finishes, awesome games, down to the wire, clutch shots.
58:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, what a what a Travis Steele, what a highly entertaining group to watch.
59:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you talk about Cinderella, man.
59:02
SPEAKER_02: The way they've won these games, like that's this would be the most epic college basketball movie ever, if they could ever just make it to the final four, it would be amazing.
59:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it would be wild.
59:12
SPEAKER_00: So I'm excited.
59:15
SPEAKER_00: Love it, love this time of year.
59:16
SPEAKER_00: One more week, conference tournaments, and let's rock and roll.
59:20
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59:23
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59:24
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59:35
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59:43
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59:46
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59:51
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