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Linh Le of Bad Cop/Bad Cop Loud, Proud and Uncompromising · Hold Your Ground

• joe: What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Hold Your Ground the podcast where you get working class culture without all the bigoted bullshit. I'm joined today once again by my absolutely lovely co host, not like children at all, Luis and Copy. What's going on, boys? How are we? Luis: I think being grounded sucks, Dad. Copy: Baby Louise needs to joe: What's going on, copy? Copy: stop being so sensitive. Luis: Wow, you're a Cho joe: Okay, s Luis: two, brother Copy. joe: so we got God on. Linh: He joe: Okay, cool. Well, it sounds like you guys are doing great. and Luis: We're normal. joe: all right. Well tonight we have a special guest once again. we got somebody who's been putting in the work in this scene for a long fucking time. Lynn Lee is the bassist and one of the vocalists for Bad Cop Bad Cop. And if you've been around the punk rock scene for any amount of time, you already know the band. They've spent years putting out music that actually has something to say about racism, sexism, immigration, inequality, and all the other bullshit that people would rather pretend doesn't exist. But what I respect about Lynn the most is that she doesn't just put that shit in a song and call it a day. She's also one of the people behind bassists against racists. the scene, the music, and the community around it to actually raise money and support people doing work against racism and hate. I think we can all agree that that's fucking awesome. So Linh: Thank you. joe: Yeah. You can call yourself punk rock, you can call yourself a skinhead, you can put every anti-racist band in your record collection. but sooner or later you're gonna have to decide what you're actually willing to do when shit gets real. Lynn's been doing a lot more than talking for a long fucking time. She's been putting in that work. So tonight we're gonna get into Bad Cop, Bad Cop, the Punk Rock scene, basis against racists, activism, being a woman in the scene and whatever Lynn wants to talk about. It's her fucking show. Linh: Hehehehe joe: So So with that, welcome to Hold Your Ground. How are you doing tonight? Linh: I'm doing all right, you know. Like again, giving the current client a little bit of things, like I st it's a real fucking shit show right now. joe: It has. Luis: Yeah. Linh: but you know, there's just part of me that all I can do is just light up a joint and laugh for a second joe: Word. Linh: and enjoy a glass of wine. Copy: Amen. Linh: Yeah. but thank you so much for having me. I I really appreciate it and And for all the wonderful things that you said, like that, thank you. Luis: Thanks joe: Absolutely. Luis: so much for being here. We really appreciate it. Linh: Yeah. I mean, basis against races I will say, like, I had to take a little pause on it, because it it just The you know, it things just got busy in my life. and I I just couldn't put the the time into it. I mean, you could still get the shirt that says Bases Against Races on there from Chaos Merge, like, you know, but it was just it was one of those things where like it was in twenty twenty and you know, the the pandemic and couldn't leave your house, but there were all you know, the the rise in Black Lives Matter marches and everything like that. I I I didn't I wanted something to do, to make an impact, if I could, you know, and I get that like we all want to try and do our parts to the best of our ability. And I think that the first step to that is just seeing what you can give a try with, right? because there's only so much that you can control. So when I was thinking, I was like, how do I how do I help? Like I can't I'm I'm not it was at the point where I wasn't ready to necessarily be in crowds. and you know, even with a mask, like I was still a little uncomfortable with that, but I was like, okay, well, how do I do this? How do I make an impact somehow? And it really was just, you know, I've thought of like, okay, I could raise money, try and raise money somehow. You know, that's the best, that's a massive source that you know fundraisers and charity groups can use. but how do I do this? And for some reason, like the phrase basis against racist, I was like, that that's Got a nice ring to it. but also it's exactly that message, right? and then I was like, okay, well well what can we do? And I thought it would be cool if and and especially to give some recognition. because let's be real, sometimes a basis is usually the butt of every band joke. Copy: Yeah. Linh: so joe: Mm-hmm. Linh: and but as an emphasis, but anyways, Copy: Ha ha ha. Linh: you know, we I was like, okay, well maybe I can figure out where I can reach out to different bases. And it didn't and I did at first I thought of the punk scene, of course, you know, just being a part of, you know, the Fat Record scene and whatnot. but I also wanted to reach out to other base like in other genres, like expand that demographic because you don't have to be just punk to be anti racist. So but so I I I started reaching out and I was talking to my friend Gabby, the base Of the Venomous Panks, which you should check out, by the way. they're there are sisters from Fe from Phoenix, and you know, they're they're they're absolutely wonderful. Their songs are fucking rippers, and they you know, I wanted to give a little extra shout out to them because they recently lost their drummer, Cassie Jalili. she passed away in April from cancer, and so which is still like Like still difficult to kind of grasp, along with all the other losses that we've had to endure this year. in a very short period of time. but they wrote songs that were also very, very political, also a, you know, a just like fucking in your face. And so I reached out to Gabby. She runs a screen printing company called Chaos Merch. And she was like the first person I thought of. She's a bassist and frickin' Prince Merch. And I asked her like, hey, like how do we facilitate this? Like how do we do this? And then I knew my our this this wonderful artist Paul Smith. his his label is zombie teeth. So he's a photographer, he's also a fantastic graphic artist. And you know, so we got into a meeting together. I'm like, okay, my idea is to see if A, I can find a bass that would be willing to be featured on a shirt that Paul can draw up that the bassist would approve, you know, like we wouldn't print something without their approval. and we do pre-orders for one month. And that way it'll go the proceeds of those pre-sales could go towards whatever anti-racist, pro LGBTQ plus IA, pro refugee and immigration, pro pro abortion related, you know, any of those kind like charities to their choice. And and it and I think the idea was to rage a little raise a little urgency because sure you can just ha you know print the shirt and you can get it at any point in time. But we wanted to get some sort of sense of urgency to be able to give an opportunity to raise money for all different organizations. and you know and treating it all the same. So I I mean it it was easy enough to start start with myself first. So we just We started like see let's see how let's see how this works. We already have I'll I'll be the first one to jump on this. Then all of a sudden, like I got hit up by people that were like, this was so cool. Like, how do you get to be a part of this? And and so we just you know, we we featured I can't well we featured Gabby, which is great. We featured Shaya Edelcon, who's the bassist for the gorillas. Ben McKee, who's the basis for Imagine Dragons, I believe. I apologize if I'm incorrect. So you know, if there's Copy: Yeah. Linh: but anywho, like you know, we did and it was running from 2020 till 2022. I'm don't worry, and and and we wanted to make sure that people could also purchase shirts that were available all the time. So we came up with, you know, the include the exclusive ones that were the each basis on the front with base skins races on the back. And then one that we can run, you know, all the time that just had basics against races. Brian Keelan wears his proudly. And I appreciate it, Brian. And we featured you too, which was fantastic. and and yeah, so it we were able to raise a you know a lot of monies for not for not just charities that were within the states. We even expanded internationally as well. And I and I had worked for a bit with T Mom merch to do to provide, you know, the pre sales for the for the international orders. And we you know, we worked with you know, we were able to contribute towards an organization that I love is Kindbach off Nazis. And and th you know, they work as you know, ex their their mission is ever you know everything to do with ensuring that spaces and you know the conversation is is leading towards anti racism and I want to make a huge emphasis that there is a very fine line but a line nonetheless of being anti racist and not racist. So I Copy: Amen. A fucking man. joe: Word. Word. Luis: Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah, speak more. Speak more on that. Linh: I yeah I not racist In my opinion, indicates you're still willing to tolerate enough. Just because you don't do it, somebody that would say something like that, that would that would be deemed racist, right? Like so, even and I was guilty of this before really just evolving my mindset on things, but like even something as stereotypical satire, right? and And yeah, like, you know, I've joked around in the past saying, like, you know, I I've I've been our driver for the band. Yeah, the only Asian in the, you know, in the band is the driver. but I I don't want to perpetuate that anymore. It was funny, sure, but is the f is the humor behind that honestly worth continuing tolerating this kind of language? So that's where I that's my perspective on it, you know, and I'm more than happy to have dialogues with people if they wanna go into that further. Luis: No, absolutely. Like Joe like Joe always says, when you know better, you do better. Right. And and Linh: Right, right. Copy: One. Luis: Joe Joe also throws out that, hey, if there's what three people at a table and you've got one of them a Nazi, a Nazi comes and sits down. Yeah, I'm a little stoned right now. joe: You want you want me you want me to re you want me to do it? If there's three Nazis at a table and you go fucking sit down and break bread, there's four Nazis at that fucking table. You know what I mean? Like I I Luis: There you go. Yeah. Linh: Yeah. Copy: Yeah. joe: agree with you a hundred percent that there's a line and it's like being fucking not racist, especially as a white person, which two of us on here are, right? As copy and I, this is something I I always fucking try to preach at the white people's being not racist is not fucking enough, especially the time in which we find ourselves. If you're not actively anti racist, and like working within yourself to confront your own internal biases and why you think shit's okay or funny or whatever, Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: you y you ain't fucking part of the solution, dog. You know what I mean? Copy: Well and to add on to that actually fucking be you know, being able to face your own fucking issues, being able to take the criticism from your friends that aren't just trying to fucking embarrassing you. They want you to Linh: Right. Copy: fucking be a better fucking person. So you need to be humble enough to fucking take that criticism for what it is. So you know I'm I'm an older fart, you know, I'm forty fucking almost forty six. So it's like I'm in that Gen X era where there's a lot of shit that was funny back in the day that Nah, dude, it's kinda fucking weak. Luis: I mean, Lynn, I don't know how you feel, but for me, just like it's all men till it's no men, it's all white people till it's no white people. Right. It 'cause it has to be. Linh: Yeah, I agree with that. And I I honestly it yeah, th because there's certain circumstances in which things are just blatantly one or the other. sure there's little branches that make it kind of deemed nuanced, but really in the end, it's about tolerance, right? And and that's just simply not something I'm going to tolerate. You know, and if that if that ends friendships it or whatever, then I'm sorry. I I'm I wish you well, you know. I'm not gonna wish I'm I'm a non-Scheiden foreign person, right? If I pronounce that correctly. If I didn't, I'm sorry. but but I don't wish I'm not I'm also very against like real revenge or wishing ill on somebody, right? I mean, yes, there are circumstances in which, you know, I my initial reaction's like, I'm a fucking I'm gonna beat the shit out of this guy, right? Copy: Ha ha. joe: I have that reaction often too. Copy: Yeah. I think we all do on that one. Linh: But but But like, you know, I think also I think it it it's circumstantial, I guess, in a sense too. but like if it's somebody like, you know, you tried to have a conversation with, right? You genuinely try to you know, come to some sort of maybe not compromise if it's about being racist or anti racist. But Hoping that you would actually like this is something that we all need to be on board with. Like we all need to make an attempt to be better and being better is not tolerating this. And and if that if they're just unwilling to do it without resorting to, you know Anger, like anger management, you know, trying to get physical, then it's like, okay, I'll cut you. I'm sorry. Then I can't be we can't be in each other's lives. I wish you the best, and I genuinely hope that you come to terms with these kinds of things. Because quite honestly, it's been this way. It has been this way for way longer than it hasn't. And shit has not worked and has been getting worse. So I would encourage I got to l I'm a terrible reader. I wish I read books. I like seriously. I I I'm pretty sure I have some sort of like r you know you know just I just have an issue with reading. I I read a page and then I end up like rereading it over and over again. but I do listen to audiobooks and there is an audiobook called How to Be an Anti-Racist by joe: Mm-hmm. Linh: Abram X Kendi. And that really helps with egg acknowledging and understanding it, but also learning how to Take accountability for your own behaviors, right? And also on top of that, intern, at least for me, and also I'm gonna add in I I do therapy and therapy really helps. I encourage anybody and everybody, no matter where you are at internally, therapy is such an essential, an essential source. and Copy: I agree a hundred percent. Linh: And along joe: Same. Linh: with like acknowledging and taking accountability of my past behaviors that have been, you know, that would I I would consider now like problematic. Like sure it was funny at the time, but like how how would that be now? And how what what how could that actually be how tolerating that actually it makes it worse? And so and with therapy, there I was finally able to kind of for forgive myself. for being that way. And it's it's still a constant process. There's still things that I'm just that make me giggle and then I'm like, shit, you know. You know, and it's a work, but I think as long as we're actively trying to move towards that direction in being better people, taking things and other people into consideration in spite of the fact that you have never experienced anything like they have. Copy: Right. Linh: It you know, compassion and empathy and consideration, they're all under that same umbrella. And and it's and it's the only way, in my opinion, how we're ever going to be able to move forward as a society, really. Like if there's joe: I Linh: you know, so Luis: So let me ask you, d do you have do you think we're gonna be able to move forward? Do you think that the elections and are are going to solve something? And before you s just to let you know, I think that the three of us consider the Democrats the liberal wing of the mega party, right? And that the Democrats continuously have Linh: Not far off. Luis: have betrayed working class people and you know The list goes down on who they betrayed. what do you think is gonna happen? Do you think a better world is gonna be in existence in your lifetime? Linh: No. I'm sorry to sound not that hopeful, but it doesn't mean I'm not. Okay. I think Luis: Right. No, I understand totally. Linh: that the move that New York City did with Zoran Mamdani, first off, okay, and also Copy: Hell yes. Linh: other politicians that are currently that I'm I'm trying to think of their names and I'm gonna let you know that I'm probably gonna Google them right now. Luis: It's okay. joe: That's all right. Luis: Like like we probably do the Copy: That's all right. Linh: Il Ilon Luis: same thing. Linh: I feel like Ilon Omar is another Luis: Mm-hmm. Linh: brilliant representative. and god, I can't think of her name right now. I see her face. and she is of Palestinian joe: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Linh: she she's Palestinian. Or I'm not sure if she's a hundred percent, but even she's joe: Yep, dry. Linh: it's part of her hair, you know. It's part Copy: Running the Michigan race. Linh: Yes, yes. Copy: Okay, I think I know who you're talking about. I can't I can't think of her name either. Yeah. Linh: Yeah, she's got long yeah, and with glasses, she amazing, right? but I think, you know, seeing that progress even as small as it is. Zoran Mamdani's example, like, as an example though, that gives that has actually lit that light of hope for me. because I think that he is proving he's only been in office for what? Nine months? Ten months? Right? joe: It hasn't been Copy: Yeah, joe: very long. Copy: and roads Luis: Yeah, not Linh: It has Copy: roads Linh: not been long. And look Copy: are getting fixed. Linh: at look at how much he has accomplished for that city. Not even just financially, but as a city, like as people. Who look who he's taking care of. Look who who he is, you know, having conversations with. You know, it is and and qu and you know, I I am I'm a socialist. I think socialism is if any sort of you know government branch to to really seek out that actually does help the people as a whole equally with their basic with the at the very baseline with the basic necessities. You know, it shouldn't it absolutely disgusts me that people choose between going grocery shopping or getting medicine. That is mind boggling. joe: Right. And you know what the craziest part with all that shit is too is that there's part of the thing with like American fucking culture and you you travel all over the place, right? I d I do as Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: well. And one of the things that I've noticed in the United States is that it it's it's ingrained into part of who you are. Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: as to what you do for a living, right? Like how much money can you Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: make for some ultra-rich asshole at the end of Linh: Right. joe: the day. You know, it's it's fucking Luis: How much respect should I give you? joe: it's fucking weird, dude. Like I tell these fuckers all the time, like in all of my I travel all over the fucking world. And I have never, ever had a fucking conversation start in a different country with what do you do for a living? Except for in the United States. The only Linh: Yeah. Yeah. joe: fucking place. Linh: Yeah. Luis: I like to tell people I'm a bum. And then the looks on their face, joe: Yeah, so we breed this clo Copy: And I would I Luis: they're like, What do you do? I'm like, Nothing. I'm a bum. And then they're just like Copy: Yeah, I mean that's what I do. I'm I'm a disabled vet, so I sit at home with my dogs all freaking day. So it's like I would love to have to not have that be part of our dialogue. Linh: But well this is another this is where I have to step in. And it's like there's a level of shame that is brought by that question. Like I know I've asked that question. What do you do for a living? Because I'm genuinely curious. Like, I don't Copy: Right. Linh: it doesn't being in your position, copy, I would never treat that as less than somebody that is like an acclaimed attorney or some shit. You know what I mean? Like It's a it for me it would just be a genuine question 'cause I'm trying to get to know you. Right? But but Copy: Right. I mean I ca I can understand that but I think we're more basing it like 'cause it's more for go ahead, Joe. joe: I was gonna say so Linh: well that joe: where I was going out with that, right, is that the United States we've breeded a culture of workism and individualism, right? Or as I like to say it Linh: Right. joe: rugged individualism. I mean, if you look back on all of our youths, we're all somewhat in that same age range. It was like glorified on TV to not know your fucking neighbors. Like I've lived next door to this person for ten years and we've never met, you know, and you look at fucking shit on like Seinfeld, you know what I mean? All these Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: fucking shows. the John Wayne's, you know what I mean? It was being that, you know, super stoic fucking individual tough guy fucking thing. Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: and then once again the culture of workism being, you know, I look at right now how fucking you know how how glorified it is to work You know, fifty hours of overtime in a week. You know what I mean? Especially in the blue collar world. you work sixty hours a week. I remember my first part-time job. You know, at the end of the day, like there's so much more to life than than going to work and making somebody else money, which that shit always irritates the fuck out of me, because we live on a planet that gives us everything that we need to sustain life. Somehow we fuck that up into wars and mortgages and credit scores. Linh: Yeah. joe: but I mean aside aside from that, like it just I don't know. When I try travel outside of this country. People are more interested in getting to know me as to who I am as a person, not Linh: Yeah. joe: as to what I do to make money to fucking put food on a fucking table. You know what I mean? Linh: Right. joe: And it's something where like It it is used to look down upon people so much, you know what I mean? Which Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: is so wild to me, especially like I was just saying with the with the hours thing, you know. I've I've had that shit. I've been a blue collar guy all my life, you know, between being a commercial fisherman, a fucking carpenter, an electrician, fucking Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: marine electronics, tech and shit, guys are like, yeah, you fucking work this, that, and you know, you only work fucking forty hours a week, and that's cool. I can work forty hours a week and I fucking make enough money to sustain everything that I need to and then some. Like, how is Linh: Yeah. joe: that a bad thing at the end of the day? day like if we look into labor history overtime wasn't a reward for the workers it was a punishment to the bosses you know what I mean why can't Linh: Right. Mm-hmm. joe: you get this job done in the fucking forty hours that's already allotted? You have to pay people more now. You know it's Linh: Yeah. joe: I don't know. It's a it's a weird Copy: Well night. joe: it's a weird fucking thing here in the United States with that. Linh: Yeah, and Copy: And that Linh: I think a lot of it Copy: that's the thing I would want sorry, go ahead. Linh: no, go ahead, I'm sorry. Copy: I I was just gonna say like I would rather have spent more time with my family than sit here fucking around dealing with some jag off boss telling me I need to work more hours. Linh: Yeah. I mean I think joe: So that Linh: so much of it is like w you know, within the states as like it's it's just this level of like sh just shaming people for not do like for for you know, you've worked like they don't deserve the things that they've got from, you know, working whatever hours they could or, you know You know what mean? Like the I think about when when you were talking about this, Joe, I was thinking about so I work for the Sidewalk Project as well, which is a nonprofit that actually Stacey D co-founded. and and we worked with a lot, you know, unhoused women, trans women, and like prominently women, trans women, non binary, with sex workers with, you know, with immigrant families and everything like that. And there's also and what we do is we've we've been able to we have a center where they can be somewhere safe but and provide supplies and whatnot. but we also provide an opportunity to grow. Like so we'll you know, if you if they you know are able to and we can make things work out we've hired on some of our participants you know so they're Copy: Yeah. Linh: so that way you know they they can do what they do but Luis: That's awesome. Linh: also kind of get their life back as as well and but I think in order to do that any like successfully in any way is by already considering that these you know the the people that are per are participants not less than because of their circumstances You know, and I thought Luis: yeah. Linh: of a I I think a lot of American culture is rooted in what you deserve versus what you should just have and be you know, be stoked Copy: Yeah. Linh: on. Like I've had the argument w with so many people about like I don't I don't think we should have universal health care. Why should my tax dollars pay for somebody else? Like, what you know, what is it doing? Like, what are they doing for me? I'm like, why wouldn't somebody deserve to have health care at all? You know? Yeah. Housing, basic human Luis: Care education, housing, food. Copy: Yeah. Water, fucking electricity. Linh: yeah, basic human needs. Why does somebody have to deserve having that? In spite of whatever you know, in spite of their cho you know, if they were decided to you know, be a sex worker. That's a l as long as it's a consensual line of work, fucking Luis: What's the matter? Linh: you know, look at Amsterdam. Copy: Yeah. Linh: You know? and and like but even, you know, with e you know, drug users and stuff too, you know, I think Taking away the stigma that they're bad people or that they're undeserving of it. Like, yes, there's some, but there's also some very bad sober people, too. There's also very bad people Copy: Yeah, exactly. Linh: that are currently in the you know, running our shit. You know what I mean? So we can't nip this butt down into drug users are bad people and undeserving of these opportunities and these basic needs. And Luis: Go ahead. Please. Linh: no, and so I think that if we remove that stigma, the the idea that somebody has to be deserving of things in order to receive them, like basic human needs, you know, I'll leave that as the as the starting point for things that people should just fucking get. As a human. Luis: absolutely. Our our our government should our government should be able to provide the basics, which is housing, education, healthcare. Right? Like Linh: Yeah yeah. Luis: the basics. other than that, yeah. Go ahead, Joe. What were you gonna say? joe: So I I just I don't know if you saw me looking down at my phone. I I know the numbers somewhat, but I wanted to make sure when I brought this up. We were talking about universal health care and why people are like or how people are like, why should my tax callers go to pay for these other people? So if we look at other countries that have universal health care, Canada, for one, right? Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: The price per person that the government pays in Canada for healthcare is fucking About seven thousand three hundred and one dollars per year, United States dollars, US dollars per person, right? They have universal healthcare. Hold on, hold Luis: How much do we pay in America? Linh: Yeah. joe: on, hold on. In the UK, once again, universal healthcare the NHS, right? So right now I think a pound is a pound sterling is like a dollar thirty-one US, right? So this one here it's four thousand nine hundred and sixty-six pounds per year. per person, right, which equals out to what about 6500 bucks if I'm doing math right, which I'm probably not. it's more than that. It's like 7500 bucks a year per Linh: Yeah. joe: person, right? You have any guesses on to what what's paid in the United States currently per person in the United States? This isn't per person utilizing healthcare. This is per person in the United States as an average of what is paid. Luis: Fifteen fifteen seventy five sixty. joe: Fifteen thousand four hundred and seventy-four dollars per year gets paid gets paid. I've Luis: Yeah, do you send me to the price is right? Fucking Fucking Copy: Jesus Christ. I know you need to, bro. Somebody call Drew Carey. Linh: my god, you Whoa. joe: I've talked I've we've talked about this a bunch, right? But we are paying almost double per person into healthcare what other countries who have universal health care are paying. The reason for that is you know it's unchecked fucking capitalism here in the United States. Copy: Yeah. Well it's it's Linh: One hundred percent. joe: word, you know what I mean? So it's it's wild Copy: well well fucking discuss joe: to me when people say, Why should my tax dollars go to pay for the shit? I'm like, motherfucker, they already do. That's the thing Linh: Yeah. Copy: Yeah. joe: is that they already fucking do. Copy: Well, and what I don't understand is how they can take like the fucking medical debt and putting that onto people's credit reports to fucking just stuff even further down into fucking debt to make it to where no, they can't get a like a basic apartment because now housing runs off your fucking credit. So if you want to get an apartment and you have shock credit, now you're spending three times, four times the fucking rent. So there's like ten grand you gotta fucking plomp out just to get a roof. Luis: Look, you guys, copy the the joe: And then we're gonna criminalize homelessness too. Luis: the answer to it all, you guys, is if you white people build a wall to stop my people from coming because we're taking your jobs. Now, here's the fucking problem with that, okay? We're not taking the good jobs clearly. We're not going Copy: No. Luis: after the surgeon jobs, we're not going after the CEO jobs. We're that's next. But if you guys build a wall, okay, and stop us from coming, your answers are All there for you. Copy: Yeah. Yeah, we've been seeing Linh: Ha ha ha ha Copy: that great. I don't know if everybody else has been paying attention, like if they come up on your feed, but all the farmers in the fucking Midwest, fuck all of you fucking pieces of shit. Like, my God, you were the reason that all none of your crops are coming out of the ground. You are the reason that none of your fucking cattle, your sheep, your lambs are going to slaughterhouses. That's your fault. Luis: I don't know if you saw that, but farmers here in the over in like Hood River and like Cascade Locks area, some of are abandoning their orchards already. Right? Because there's no workers. Copy: Good. Fuck them. joe: Well that's the thing, man. Copy: Like some of the joe: So we're we're gonna lose a big portion of this crop and this is something that I feel pretty confident speaking on because I was in food production for, you know, a majority of my life being a commercial fisherman and then I grew up in California like my uncle and my fucking grandpa had a cattle ranch and shit. A little, you know, mom and pop fucking ranch thing. You know, we're gonna lose a a large portion of this year's fucking harvest because of ice and the policies Luis: Good. joe: and executive orders of old Donnie J, right? Luis: Good. joe: And then next year. We're really fucked because we don't got the Luis: Good. Super. Copy: Yeah. joe: fucking we don't have the fertilizer and those things. Now you say good, dude, right? But like I don't say good to that shit. Right? Because I I don't. Copy: Yeah, it's gonna hit everybody equally. Luis: I do, bro. joe: You know why I don't? Is because fucking we are a powerhouse for food. We fucking produce food that goes out around the world and fucking feeds people. You know what I mean? Not to mention feeding people here, in the United States. So where I'm going with that, like I don't give a fuck about countries and borders and all that bullshit. Y'all know where I stand on that fucking nonsense. But what I do fucking stand behind is making sure that people have the ability to fucking eat food. And because of this fucking one regime's megalomaniac bullshit, we're going to have fucking mass starvation more so than we already fucking do. Luis: I hear you. Let's let's let's hope. Okay. And I hear you. And I say good because l what, dude. Change is violent, right? We all agree on that, right? And that fucking sometimes fucking Copy: Mm-mm. Luis: you know, you need something unfortunately drastic like that. Like I didn't vote for this dude, you didn't vote for this dude. Nobody here voted for this dude, right? But there has to be consequences for your actions, okay? If some dude walks down my street and calls me a spick. His actions are he's gotta swallow his teeth. If you abuse and fucking criminalize people based on the color of their skin for all the good that they do, you're gonna now see. Right? They're they're they're fucking actions for your consequences. Not that we're deserving of those actions, but someone is and good. Sorry. joe: Yeah, someone isn't good, but here's the thing, is that it doesn't make it fucking change for the better all of a sudden, dude. We see we've talked about this shit a fucking million times. We see we're having examples play out all over the world of what the fuck to do, but people in the United States won't fucking do it, right? So Copy: Yeah. Luis: Dude, because because we're racist Linh: Yeah. Luis: and we don't care. Like, like everybody cared about or all these white women or people cared about Miss Clancy and rightfully so and what happened to her. Nobody cares about brown girls in cages getting raped and impregnated by Leos. Nobody seems to care about that, joe: Ain't fucking wrong, dog. Luis: bro. We're a racist country. Lynn, what do you think about that, Lynn? Copy: Yeah. joe: Yeah, no, absolutely. You Luis: I'm just some stupid guy. What do you think about that? Copy: You're not stupid. Luis: I I'm not, but you know there's a point there. You you you know what I mean. joe: Debatable. Linh: I mean there Copy: Ha ha ha. My god. Linh: I mean in my p on one hand I agree with consequences need to be had for you know people's shitty actions. I agree with that. However, I also worry about how much worse those consequences, even though deserving would be on the peop like like you said, w we're people that would we don't deserve the the the that kind you know, that effect from that consequence. so yes, I I think my solution is expose every single one of those fucking ice motherfuckers, take off their fucking mask, take a picture of them, round them the fuck up, do not incentivize any sort of bonus with their stupid take down all the ads. Take down all the ads trying to recruit them. If there's any consequence to be had, it's those motherfuckers. It's not the people, Copy: Well and the the Linh: you know what I mean? And like, you know, yes, there's part of me that's like, yeah, I didn't vote for him, and you did, and this is the this is the you know, the the shit that you're gonna go through as a result of that. Part of me, yes, is like good, you you deserve that because you you you know, you voted for that fucking orange pedophile. But I also think though that it's also not going to resolve the bigger picture. joe: So straight up there's something that I always fucking say, is that you know, so y you're right, it's not gonna resolve the bigger picture because Donald Trump is a problem. He is not the fucking problem. Right? Like white supremacy is the motherfucking problem, dog. But so Linh: Mm-hmm. Not the problem. Luis: What's the problem, Joe? There you go. Linh: Yes. Yeah. Copy: You're goddamn right. joe: like going back to my argument with what I was saying there, and I don't wanna continue arguing with shit, but like when we're talking about people that are gonna be affected by food shortage, it's not these motherfucking middle class people, the upper middle class people, the fucking rich people that are gonna be affected by this. It's gonna be the fucking poor, the people who already don't have shit. You know what I mean? Everybody's Luis: Okay, so yeah. joe: gonna fucking feel it. The fucking poor, the poverty stricken fucking people of the world are the people that it's gonna fucking kill. Luis: I I I agree, but okay, so my counter to that is and again we'll we can have this again somewhere else, but like look for brown people bro, you our future, okay, our future quite honestly, is Palestine and fuck that. Right? Fuck that right now from the get go. Let's nip that like like like we're gonna be fucking the new Gaza strip, bro. For joe: Yeah. Luis: My people and Copy: Yeah. Luis: fuck that. And that's why I celebrate that shit now. Because fucking we start fighting like what what do we always say, Joe? We always say that the fight it's already too late to fucking really fight this shit. This shit is done. Fascism has joe: Yeah, it is. Luis: taken hold Copy: Yeah. Luis: and for the rest of our lifetime in the United States. Right? So joe: Yeah. Luis: I don't want my people to go willingly, dude. So we're gonna go with some consequences. And y'all know how I feel. Sorry, Lynn. Linh: That's okay. Hey, I'm here to have a conversation about this and everybody's Luis: We we get all caught up in fiery and we're and we're all stoners, except for Joe. Linh: Yeah. Copy: Well, and I I to piggyback on what joe: For me, I'm not. Copy: you were saying what you were saying then about the IS officers, they would you know, where the the catastrophic failures of that whole recruiting shit with now we're seeing all these guys when they finally are getting their background checks a fucking year later, Linh: Yeah. Copy: then they're getting fucking shit canned. I do like the the only positive thing I could say out of that is that they have to pay that fifty thousand dollar fucking bonus back. So go fuck yourselves, you know. I hate that. They're getting incentivized, like you said, but the fact that they're allowing these people to walk around with masks on. I I was essentially a fucking invader in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I didn't have a fucking mask on my face. So if you're if you got the balls to fucking do atrocious atrocities like that and like what you're committing right now on the streets of the United States and and what you're doing. Luis: Right. But but but but but Copy: To everybody, it's just appalling. Linh: It angers me to no end. Luis: copy, see, like like like we say, we're not here for for this regime's end. We're and for here for the the dissolution of white supremacy because like even ice is a symptom, right? Because Copy: Mm-hmm. Luis: we allow for profit prisons. Look at prairie land. So my next book, Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: as you guys know, is about prairie land. I've been looking into prairie land, right? And so that detention facility is owned by a it's not Owned it's owned by ice, but it's run by a private family. They Linh: Right. Luis: run it like a family fucking business. So the family Linh: Yeah, I've heard of that. Luis: business is putting people in cages, and if our cages aren't filled, we don't get paid. But who's gonna go in those cages, bro? People that don't look like you and Joe, people that look like me and Lynn, right? And if those cages are Copy: Yeah. no, I know. absolutely. Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: so, so like not even ice is the fucking problem, right? It's it's we Copy: It goes back down to white supremacy. Luis: We have this Linh: Yeah. Luis: education to prison pipeline, right? We have people like Joe Biden saying, Hey, I don't wanna bust my children into the jungle. We have Hillary Clinton calling youth of color super predators. Right? It's it's a it's a systemic fucking thing and that's just those those are just right there. And then it goes further and further and further down, right? Linh: Right. Yeah, I agree with you. I re I agree with you, Luis. Like, you know, it's about we we just have to and I again I hate to sound pessimistic about this, but it's I I don't think it's gonna happen in in my lifetime. It I mean, we're still so far along because these systems of oppression that are just you know it's about being it's about racism. That's what it is. You know what I mean? Racism and sexism. are like you know. Luis: Yeah. Here Copy: Absolutely. Luis: here in Portland we have what's that fucking cemetery that's in the middle city, boys? Pine hor Pinehurst, Lor You do you know Copy: Pioneer Courthouse or Pioneer. Luis: the one over by Central Catholic off of like fucking Copy: yeah, yeah, yeah. Luis: twin okay. So that one in the corner there, in the south southwest corner there, it was an Asian mass grave that they just set put the Chinese immigrants that built Portland when they died. They just threw them all in one f and that's progressive fucking Portland guys. Right? Copy: Yeah. Linh: Yeah. Luis: That this is progressive joe: Work. Luis: Portland. And and they're just now started because the community has made such a big noise. The Chinese community in particular. Like, why do you have a mass grave of Chinese people here? Like, so they're just now resurrecting everything and making it all right. But that's but that's in Portland. So How can we expect anywhere else like Nebraska? We're supposed to be fucking progressive here, right? I don't know. Copy: Well, I mean we are Linh: Call Nebraska the land of entrapment, but that's just me. joe: Words. Copy: I mean we like Linh: I had a bad experience. you know, Lincoln is fine, you know, we've played in Lincoln and it's been fun there, but you know, getting from Denver to Lincoln and that stretch and it's like, you you look like that. Never seen one of you before. So Copy: Yeah. Luis: That's what we're talking about right there, right? I mean that's Linh: Yeah. Luis: that's your law enforcement. Linh: Yeah. Yeah. So but I will say Copy: No. Not mine. Luis: Not not either. Linh: though, like I do I mean it's just There's just I mean, there's so and there's also like there's so many pieces that were never taught to us either. They were just hidden and put under the rug, you know? and it and it's about like, you know Our generation, maybe, you know, a little bit younger and whatnot. but it's just about understanding that these things are in existence. All because they're not d maybe they're not directly affecting you. So, and it's like, what isn't my business? Shit doesn't have to fucking affect you personally for fucking shit to actually exist. And and if you are c okay with that or don't do anything about it, and I'm not saying, you know, to start a march necessarily, you know, like, but doing what you can, what you have the ability to do to help. fight against this, you know, then you are also complicit. Luis: Joe often says that if we I knew it, see joe: I was just gonna bring that up. Go ahead. Luis: this is how often he says it, that if we all do a little, a lot gets done. Copy: Like it's done. You're turning into an AA group with that that that one statement. It is absolutely. Linh: Yeah. You know, I think that Luis: Right. joe: So Luis: No, but it's true. Right. joe: My my take on that my take on that is that so many people they tend to focus on the broader picture and it is overwhelming. And there's not much Linh: Yeah. joe: that I'm gonna do here on the corner of bum fucking you got a perd of mouth an organ, that's gonna make a worldwide fucking change or even a nationwide change, right? Individually, there's Linh: Yeah. Yeah. joe: not a lot that any one of us is gonna do. but Linh: Sure, but joe: if we all focus directly on our communities and making sure that we're keeping our side of the street clean and that our fucking the people in our fucking direct communities are safe and fucking fed and fucking not being, you know, fucking murdered in the streets. If enough of us do that, it makes that big change. Linh: Yeah, Copy: Does. Linh: exactly. It's kind of like the, you know, that whole you know, if that there's a dam holding water, right? And then it just takes a small hole to start that and it it grows bigger and bigger and bigger if it's, you know, not tended to, but th those little bits though, that little movement helps that move through, you know. I mean yeah, I think the real question I think if anybody wants to Actively consciously try to work towards being better, doing better, right? Is have I exhausted everything I could at this time? Like, I'm gonna say this: Luis: That's why I'm voting. Linh: voting, y'all motherfucking vote. Okay, I am like Copy: Yeah. Linh: sorry. I don't care if I lose friends or whatever that people that are like, well my vote doesn't even matter or whatever. Like what it what would my vote change? Your ch your choice, your conscious choice to not partake in it, already tells me you're already okay with shit. Luis: So yeah, I have to agree with that, Lynn. I'm not a big voter federally. I've always voted locally though, right? But Linh: Yeah. Luis: here's the thing, as an anti fascist, if we're not willing to use every tool in our toolbox, right? Like every tool, then we're not real about our anti fascism, right? So like meaning Linh: Right. Luis: that like, yeah, I'm absolutely down to go run ones in the street, but I also have but part of my tools are also voting. And Linh: Yep. Luis: I have to use that tool along with running in the street and doing whatever, whatever, because they go hand in hand. Right. So yeah. Linh: Yeah. Right. Yeah. joe: Yeah. Luis: We absolutely get out there, you guys. Vote. and and vote blue ish. Like try to vote democratic socialists, but no Linh: Yeah. Luis: matter who, vote blu vote. Linh: Yeah, I agree with that too. Copy: Well vote a vote a conscience. joe: Shit. Luis: There you go, dude. I did it. I did Copy: See my Luis: it. joe: Dude, no now I will I'm gonna push back. Like not on the voting thing, but on the fucking no matter who vote kinda blue. Like fuck that, dude. Luis: Kinda bro. Copy: Vote conscience. joe: Vote for who you fucking think is gonna do the best for the fucking people, right? And that's definitely not Linh: Yeah. joe: voting red, but that doesn't necessarily mean voting Copy: Right. Linh: Yeah. joe: fucking that doesn't necessarily mean voting fucking blue for fucking that shit either. You know what I mean? Yeah, Luis: Fair enough, vote green, dude. I don't care. joe: no, so I'm just saying vote Copy: Yeah, I mean joe: you Linh: Yeah. joe: use your fucking power to vote even if you don't think that it fucking matters, right? It is a Linh: Right. joe: tool that needs to be exhausted. But vote for somebody who you think is actually going to fucking do something for the people. I don't give a fuck if they're not on the ballot. Write a motherfucker. Luis: And if you don't know who joe: it. Luis: if you don't know who, write in copy the Ronin skin. Okay? Copy: Fuck no. Luis: Like if you don't know who, write in copy. joe: Ha ha ha. Copy: No, don't write me in. You don't want me leading this fucking country. Jesus Christ. Actually you might. I don't know. No Luis: Copy with our listeners, you don't even have a shot, bro. Like if we ever had numbers like that, like Copy: No, I exactly. Well, I you know, the the big thing when it comes to voting is actually educate yourself on the fucking issues, and especially when it comes to your local fucking elections. Like today I got my voters' pamphlet in the mail. So like just thumbing through it, I haven't really gone through everything, but there's a Linh: Yeah. Copy: lot of independence for different yeah. See, for for my area, I have a lot of independence for counselors, county, blah, blah, blah. But Linh: Mm-hmm. Copy: please. Educate yourselves and don't just rely on your fucking friends and Facebook. Do your own goddamn research. Linh: Yeah, I agree with that. especially partaking, I mean yes, taking part of like federal and state, important. People need to understand though, it is just as if not more important to vote in your local elections. and and I think that you know, and I also want to say this is just my opinion on things. My argument with people that are like, well, as long as it's, you know, democratic, it's gonna be the or the people that are like, you know, pissed because you didn't vote blue, you voted for somebody. Like for me, I I often choose a more socialist candidate. And and I got shit on by people I know that were like See, you just wasted your vote, you know, you don't you know No, I didn't. The thing is, is that the person that you voted for has a lot of policies that are still damaging to the public. And unless we actually move away from the idea of the lesser of two evils Copy: Yes. Luis: Yes. Thank you. Linh: Then we're not gonna fucking get out of this fucking cycle. And again, that Luis: I think people Linh: little, little light, light nonetheless, of Zoran Mandani's fucking mayor win is fucking proof that we can and what he's done is fucking proof that we can actually do shit for the people. Copy: Yeah. Luis: Okay, so I have a question now, okay? So we ball agree vote! We're all we're all Linh: Yeah. Luis: on board. Do you think these white nationalists are actually going to let this election through? Like, so to be honest with you, what what I think the three of us see because we've talked about it enough, is some kind of Reichstag attack. Some kind of emergency at the last minute where they'll blame anti fascists, right? Because the one thing Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: that even though Trump ha has he's incredibly unpopular, he still has that card in his base, right? Or he still Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: has that that card in his pocket that he can be like Antifa, right? And they can go after all of us. So do you think an election's Linh: Throwing the blame. Luis: even gonna happen or that the will of the people are gonna go through? Is gonna go is going to go through, are going whatever. You know what I mean. Linh: Hehehehe Honestly, I don't really have an answer for that just because shit has just gotten so insane that I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen because I didn't think a lot of the shit that's currently happening now would be happening. You know what I mean? I think if there were if there was any like stipulation I could put out there. Is that the people in the fucking that were involved in the fucking January 6th insurrection are not allowed to vote. Like, you Copy: Right. Linh: know, that'll wipe out at least a small percentage, I would imagine. Copy: Well, I got a personal beef every once in a while with Joe 'cause he's like, How much worse can it get? And I'm like, Stop fucking saying it Well Well it's a joe: That's not what I say. That's not what I say. I say every day I wake up and I ask myself, how fucking what what can top the dumb of yesterday? And then I'm like, well god, here we go. Copy: Now. Yeah, but that's still bringing the dumber shit into fruition, Linh: I know it Copy: goddammit. joe: Well, no that's the thing, is that we're on this fucking downward spiral. Luis can Copy: Yeah. joe: attest to this. There's fucking videos of me saying this shit. Fucking last year at this time, I said, Man, in fucking six months, you're gonna look back and say, Man, I sure wish it was like it was six months ago. And then in January of this year, I said to Luis, while we were in a fucking TikTok live together, man, in six months you're gonna look back and say, I sure wish it was like it was fucking six months ago. And that has been held that is held fucking true the entire time because every day we enter some new realm of what the fuck is this that kinda makes me fucking buy into the conspiracy theory that COVID was worse than we all fucking realize and that we all fucking died and we're just sitting in like this purgatory hellish fucking Luis: So joe: fucking half spirit world. Cause what the fuck? Luis: So two things. Okay. So so two things. A, Luis was on board with that when we because we we we said it together. So I just want to put that out there that like that that that joe: Absolutely. Luis: went through this mind too. And B, your your conspiracy theories are kind of right, but kinda wrong. You gotta think more like what's that movie called that I never saw? were the asteroids coming? The asteroids coming. Yeah, I never saw that joe: don't look up. Copy: Which one? Which one? Luis: movie. I saw like the last 30 seconds, and I was like, cool, I know how it ends. So anyway, Linh: Ha ha. Luis: but Copy: Yeah, we get smacked by an asteroid. Luis: That's the only answer, right? That this gigantic asteroids coming here. Why else would you burn up this fucking place and not give a shit the way people give a shit? They're building their bunkers and we're not getting in, boys and girl. We're not we're not we're not getting in. I mean Copy: No, yeah, look at look at that. What is it? Twenty twenty nine? It's twenty twenty joe: Yeah. Copy: nine. There's supposed to be that giant asteroid that's gonna be like super close flying by. Luis: Here's the thing, quite honestly, I have a better chance of g getting in than you or Joe copy because I'm Brown. I might be a servant. That might be my way in, bro. Like just being just like a butler, right? Maybe a shoe shine boy. I don't Copy: Jesus Christ. Luis: care. But do I really joe: You do realize that like we literally just fucking had a whole ass conversation about this shit, Luis: You are brown. joe: fucking what? Luis: What what? I saw I was like, You are brown. That's right. We did have that conversation. But you kinda. But you're you're joe: I'm not brown. No, we all Copy: You're you're Linh: Yeah. Copy: a lot browner than I am. joe: just had we all collectively just had a fucking conversation about the Luis: About what? joe: racist tropes and whatnot and fucking, fucking, maybe that's not the best idea. We literally just had that like fucking 20 minutes ago, dog. Luis: yeah, we just did. Yeah. Well, well, I I wasn't trying to be a trope. The only way that I get in is if that's my job. It wasn't a trope, dude. I was just like, they're not gonna let me in because I'm like, I Copy: Yeah. Luis: have the answers, right? Smoke more weed, right? They're not gonna Linh: Yeah. Luis: let me in for that. Copy: Ha ha. joe: So what I will say is this we've been on now for fifty five minutes, which is awesome. And yeah, Luis: You should also do like who we're talking to in a recap. Copy: shit. joe: no, okay, we are talking with Lynn Lee from the band Bad Cop, Bad Cop. Copy: Yeah Luis: Woo! Woo! joe: bass player Linh: Do joe: and and co-vocalist of Bad Cop Bad Cop, which is fucking amazing. And one of the things where I was saying it's been 55 minutes, this was nowhere where I was like envisioning this whole entire interview going. And I love it. I'm not saying that we need to shut it down at all. But I did want to reiterate that we have Lindley from Bad Cop Bad Cop. Luis: So so first of all, I'd like to say that opener for Rip You to Shreds, I love it. That that that Linh: Thank you. Luis: vase. I I I I love it. That that that's that's awesome. Linh: Thank you. I I've I played you know, rock and billy music for quite some time, so twelve bar blues is kind of like yeah, got a little swing of things, you know? Copy: Ha ha joe: yeah. Copy: ha. Luis: Nice. I don't know where do you want to go now, Joe? joe: We can keep on with it. I was just saying, like, I wanna reiterate that we have Lindley from Bad Cop Backup. You're the basis Luis: Okay. joe: from Bad Cop Backup. For those of you listening, Copy: Well, I got a question. Linh: Heh heh. joe: this isn't just a bunch of people going off on random stuff. So whatever we Luis: Well I do too, so you go first. You go first, copy. joe: can keep up with politics. We can go into band stuff, scene stuff, whatever. Go for it. Copy: all right. I was gonna ask. So you, you know, being a woman in the scene and in the industry and the music industry, we have had previous conversations about the silent and the skinhead is for misogyny. What are could you like point out some of your experiences that you'd be willing to share with us? what your opinions are of how to get. Men what you would like us as men to fucking do better at. Linh: I think just as an overall suggestion, treat us as as an equal. It's that easy. You don't have to be condescending to me or act as if I don't know what I'm requesting in my monitor. you know, it it's also, you know, I It's it's such a crazy well not crazy, but it's just it's a pretty interesting topic because it you know, for so long, like just just being, you know, I I I played in bands for a long time. And I re when I first moved from I'm from the East Coast originally, you know, born and raised in Rochester, New York, and I lived in Philly for ten years and I've played in bands with men, just just men, you know. and I moved to California And I I was all I was drunk. But on the patio of a bar in in Huntington Beach and I was just like, you know, I really you know what? I just wanna start a band with all women, but the toughest thing to find is a female drummer, like which It was 2010. I didn't know any female drummers. and I I had met Jen Carlson, who was A the original bassist for Bad Cop. but also she was just like, hey, I play drums. You wanna hang, you wanna be friends? And I I got to meet Stacy and Myra and Jenny through through Jen. and so and I mean you know, bad cop started, and then Jen decided not to she didn't want to, you know, partake in it anymore, and she had referred me, and that's the rest is history. but but you know, and and it was it the idea of playing in all female, but yes, and internally it feels awesome, you know, and it's one it's a wonderful thing, but it's not a genre. And I I'm gonna emphasize Luis: You already. Linh: this so much. Because now we have s and and there's a rise in all female bands, you know. I'm gonna re rephrase that. Bands who are all female. and and there's also a rise in in queer folk, tr you know, trans and non binary people that are in bands and stuff too, and and it's like it's not our sexuality's not our genre, right? So I'm gonna treat that as that. And I've you know, and then the you know, my experience in the past was, you guys sound great for a girl band. And nothing makes my eye twitch more. so first off, you could just say, hey, you guys f y'all rule. And I'm also gonna try to emphasize and I'm trying my best at this too, and it slips out you guys it and yes, it could be an androgynous term. If it's taken that way, but I I've been making it a point as a part of my journey of being better and doing better is using the term y'all. Y'all agree. Luis: Worry. Linh: Y'all are fantastic, you know. and also gonna point this out. One thing that that cis dudes can do is be okay with actually saying your pronouns and and accepting Copy: Yeah. Linh: other people's pronouns. you know, it's part it's something that I've tried to you know, try to be conscious about. and so when I meet new people, I more often than not, I should do it all the time, don't get me wrong, but it's just saying, Hey, I'm Lynn, she, her. What's your name? And what are your pronouns? And then it it and it's not an offensive thing to ask. It's actually a very considerate thing to ask. And if it annoys you, get the fuck over it. Because it's about Luis: Word. joe: Word. Linh: how your actions can actually affect somebody else. It's Copy: Yeah. Linh: a part of that line of consideration, which also going back to being anti racist, happens to be too crazy. Copy: Yeah. Linh: Turns out if you're anti racist, you consider other pe you consider the feelings and act of your actions of that would affect other people. Turns out crazy. But you know, going back to you know, the whole what what men can do better is again, it's like, you know, just treat us an as an equal, you know? And also if you feel compelled to hit on us, please don't. Copy: Please don't joe: Ha ha ha Luis: No. Copy: to joe: ha. Just fucking don't. Linh: Just just don't like I can Luis: Word. Linh: I can take I can I I'm okay there's certain phrases, right? Like there's certain phrases that and you know would insinuate something. So there's one thing to say, hey look hey you look great. Thanks. Appreciate that. damn girl, you look good. It's like K, Copy: Yeah, you Linh: but there's a better way of saying that, you know? Or Luis: Yeah. Linh: you know like or just you know Again, we're here to fucking work and not here to be your unsolicited date. So Luis: Word. Copy: Yeah. Linh: hold those joe: Word. Linh: comments back or don't even think about them at all because chances are we're not interested. So Copy: That's that's something I was a bouncer in strip clubs in Portland Luis: Yeah. Copy: for quite a few years, and that is something that I've never understood about what dudes don't get. These ladies are there to work. They're not Linh: Yeah. Copy: there to they're there to give you the image of an experience. They're not Linh: Mm-hmm. Copy: your property just because you threw a few bills out. All like that mindset of dudes in sex workers and how they treat sex workers has always been astounding when it's just they're they're a human being. Linh: Yeah. Luis: Does does it does it scare you that we're going backwards? That it seemed like for a minute there Linh: Yeah. Luis: in the United States that the Me Too movement was, you know, moving forward and stuff. And we see now that with the Cornell seven that things haven't changed and they've just gone fucking backwards. Yeah. The fifty absolutely the fifty seven. Yeah. Linh: I'm gonna add a five in that number. I'm gonna add a five to that number. Yes. Copy: Yeah. Linh: yes, there is definitely a part of me that is incessantly like it incessantly scared. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I you know, I like to I like to jokingly consider myself as adorably terrifying, right? Like that's just like the image that I want to. But it's also something that I I genuinely want to be. Like I wanna be, you know, I want to look in the mirror and be like, I'm adorable. but I also wanna be like, also don't fuck with me because I will figure out a way to end you. So Luis: That's awesome. No, my my partner's the same way. Copy: That and that's the I Luis: They're the type Copy: love that. Luis: my partner, she's the tiny demon. but no, Linh: Yeah. Luis: I ask because you know, like when I I scroll through like Facebook or TikTok on those reels, you know, and you see Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: those adverts for like, I'm your fake AI girlfriend, right? And Linh: Ugh. Luis: and and it's just like that's conditioning like this whole group of boys, right? That are going to grow up and and just continue on and become the Cornell Seven. That will then possibly go on to be like Supreme Court justices. Y y you know? yeah, that's really how that kind of fucking works. Linh: Yeah. Yeah, it's really how it works. And you know, it's like Hehehe It's not even just the AI though. It is people and their influencers and podcast like I'ma say I'ma say isn't it? Fuck Andrew Tate. Fuck that little smagle. Fuck you. Fuck you and Luis: Fuck you, Andrew Tate. Fuck you. Linh: your stupid fucking face. Like, I have ne I I'm not gonna lie here. This is where this is where the vengeance part of me comes in, and I'm like, okay, I'm actually gonna be okay with this. But like so much Luis: Come out, bring it out, bring it out. Bring it out. Copy: Let it let it let it flow. Linh: of me, it's just like throw me in the fucking cage with that motherfucker. Like, Copy: Yeah. Linh: I don't know, I don't know what my body is necessarily capable of, but I feel like all the rage that is consist constantly building up and the anger and rage that I have for for my god. I'm like I'm getting it tense. Luis: No, bring let let it go. Talk. Like yeah. Linh: but no, like my I d I don't know, even if I come out of it fucked up, right? holy shit, would it be worth it though? Like it is it it it but a lot Copy: You would fuck him up. Linh: of that, you know, anger also is instilled in that fear too, because like I shouldn't have to be perceived as terrifying or tough. Like I like it as my own personal confidence. Like I like to think of myself as, you know, a baby linebacker or something, you know? but Luis: That's a football position, Joe. Go ahead, Lynn. joe: Thanks, bud. Appreciate that. You know what? I I care about that 'cause Copy: Ha ha goddamn. Linh: Well I only joe: you care, dog. Luis: Thank you for caring about what I care about. joe: All right, let Lynn finish her thing. Linh: Well no, I will say this, that's the only like fo like American football position that I know. And it Copy: Yeah. Linh: it kind of it kind of matches like my name a little bit. like I ha I have a sign thank you, Reverend Guitars, for gifting me the opportunity of having a signature bass for me. And it's called the Lil Linbacker. Cause a Rickerbacker linebacker, Luis: That's awesome. That's awesome. Copy: Ha that's dope. joe: Nice. Linh: I was like, But anywho, like and also I'm I'm like a real football fan. Copy: Excellent. Linh: I'm a footy person. So but anyways, yeah, like I think so much of that anger and fear and and the f and Roe v. Wade being overturned was like I cried so hard that day. And like screamed like into my pillow. Thank God I lived by myself. but you know, I could I could not believe that. And so I was like thinking to myself, okay, what can we do? Cause our shit was already in jeopardy before. And so I actually work pretty closely with an organization called Shout Your Abortion. I think they're they're based in Seattle, I think. but anyways, and they provide like resources for where, you know, like where you can get you know, the the abortion pill, or like other resources of like clinics and stuff like that and they provide you know, and then they fundraise and and and I worked really closely with them because like, you know, we travel all over the states And yeah, sure we have our merch table because you know we're banned and we make some money to pay the overhead costs. but Thankfully, we this we this is an opportunity that not only we've seen, there's awesome organizations like Punk Rock Saves Lives, for example. and, you know, and and we there's a table of resources. So we provide, you know, there's there's free condoms and you know, and I would get a supply of plan B pills. I'ma give them out for free, and especially in places in which you cannot get those items. Luis: Absolutely. Linh: and so and narcan, you know, fentanyl testing strips, and and punk rock saves lives also Copy: And the drink testing strips. Linh: encourages people at shows to take 30 seconds of their day to get a mouth swap so they can be on the bone marrow transplant list. You have to do it once, and that's good for the rest of your life. You don't have keep doing it or anything. It is the least that you can possibly do to make a wild impact. And Luis: So Rob Rob did start a good organization. I I Linh: He really did. I love Rob so much. Luis: I appreciate him. The problem comes with that organization, like seriously, is at the local level, right? Is that Linh: Yeah. Luis: with within Punk Rock Saves Lives, quite honestly, because I've had to write some articles about different chapters that that but again, like and I've talked to Rob about that. That's not necessarily his fault, but just you know. Copy: Side. Luis: I I Linh: Sure. Luis: I the a lot of dickbag dudes can hide in a lot of organizations and Linh: Yeah. Luis: we gotta do a better job of rooting those dudes out when we come across them. Linh: Yeah, I agree with that. And that that certainly happens. That r and and it it's really fucking shitty, but you know, that is unfortunately still part of the reality that we live in. And unless people are actually consciously wanting to be open-minded and willing to do and be better people and take real consideration into their actions and how it would affect anybody around them, anybody that they don't even know. then it th these things are still going to exist. And and so, you know, for for me, like, you know, like I said, when we play these shows nationwide, we make it a point to to ra not only raise awareness but do what we can when we can in providing resources to people that come to our shows that may not have it before, you know? And what I do, my contribution just on myself would be, okay, I'm playing on I'm playing on a stage in the US, you know it's a fucking issue right now, getting abortion pills because women are Are being fucking prosecuted for fucking miscarriages. It is insane to me. Copy: Yeah. Linh: Insane how this has gone. And so, you know what? I'm I'm totally okay with wearing a shirt that has a QR code that said you can get your abort you can click, you know, take a picture of it, and it leads you to plan C pills, and you have the the fucking abortion pill mailed to you. Like Luis: That's fucking dope. That's fucking Copy: Yeah. Luis: dope. Linh: You know, they and Shout Your Abortion was in charge of creating those QR codes. So not only do I have that shirt, and I encourage anybody out there to get that shirt. It is it's so, you know, like not only to support like a fantastic organization, but it's also like it's informative. It's impactful. And they also have stickers. So you know what I do is every truck stop that I'm at, you bet your ass, those fucking stickers are going in every single stall that I have access to, as well as get the the hand dryer or the fucking paper towel. I put them in every bathroom. Copy: Hit the gas pumps too. Really Luis: That's so dope. Copy: fuck with everybody. Linh: At the gas pumps. It doesn't matter. I've done it outside of like, you know, I got a sandwich at some deli somewhere and I'm like, okay, well, this is gonna go on the door. And if it's, you know, you know, sometimes I do ask, like big corporate fucking places, I don't give a shit. Like, you know, truck stop, fucking, you know, TNAs or whatever. And also, fuck Buckies. Fuck Buckies so hard. Luis: Yeah. Copy: Yeah, no shit. joe: Say all right, it's bussies. Linh: It makes me so mad. Copy: Ha ha ha. Linh: And I did buy John Oliver's stuff called Buck Off that It's fantastic. Luis: Yeah. Linh: and and actually the proceeds for that go went to a Hunger First, I think. so, you know, he just basically anyways. but yeah, like if it's a corporate chain that I'm stopping at, I do not ask for I will not ask for permission. What what are they gonna do? Also and Luis: Yeah, absolutely, right. Copy: Tell you no. Linh: if they you know Best case scenario for them, they could just fucking take it off, whatever. But I'm making the effort to just fucking do this, you know? and and worldwide like I know that this the the QR code doesn't really have any effect internationally. So you know what I fucking do is I bring awareness to fucking Palestine because it's fucked up. It is so fucked up to me that like that the idea Of being, you know, speaking up against it is a fucking like palpable, beyond palpable genocide that is in front of our eyes. And you know, I've been called anti-Semitic. I'm like, you need to look up the word, you know, the difference between Zionism and Judaism, but Luis: Yeah. Right? So right. Linh: Yes, that is another fact. And so, you know, but it but the thing is is that I will emphasize this, and I don't expect everybody to be on board with this at all, but I know that for myself, as somebody that is actively trying to do better and be better, my way of doing that is I am gifted, and I'm gonna capitalize the word gifted, the opportunity that a lot of bands do not get. Okay, I know you know, people know us. We're not like, you know, stadium huge, but it doesn't have to take that. It doesn't take away that I get an opportunity to do this. And so it's it's an opportunity for me to not take that for granted. And so as long as there's systems of oppression and you know, active like open acts of violence, you know, gender-based violence and and apartheid I'm not gonna fucking be quiet about it. You know, I will use my sta I will use that stage and wear a free marijuana bagote fucking shirt. Or wear it Luis: Yeah, we're Linh: jerse, you know, a kit that has, you know, Hindrajab's name on there. Of course. It may it may make a very, very tiny impact, but at least I'm trying. Luis: I think we try to joe: I love the Luis: do the same over here. We try we we try the same. I I I try to make it a little bit more personal. that every vote that I've ever voted for a president, I have voted for the murder of children that look like my children. Regardless of political party, right? Like every time I have voted for a president, I have voted for genocide, one way or the other, because Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: every every party both parties have s made a history of A strong support of Israel, right? And and we'll Linh: Yeah. And I was very I was very naive to I didn't I I had no understanding of that before in the pa you know, before in the past. And quite honestly, yes, I will admit that like it took the events that happened today for me to actually do a deep dive into the history behind this. Because I you know, growing up you always heard about like peace in the Middle East, you know. but I didn't think anything of it. A, I was also still in the mindset at that point in time that if it didn't affect me, I don't need to know. But Luis: Word. Copy: Yeah. Linh: that therein lies that problem. Therein lies that internal taught ideology that if it doesn't affect you, it doesn't matter. And a lot of that is stemmed around capitalism as well. That as long as I'm doing all right. It doesn't matter about anybody else. And anybody else that doesn't work as hard or achieves the things that I do is not deserving of these things, too. You know? So, yeah, like I and and I'm actively trying to do better. Like I'm not saying that and also nobody needs to strive to be perfect either, because perfect is quite fucking boring anyways. but but knowing that and and being conscious conscious of how what what will I s like how do my actions affect the people that I care about, the people I don't I care about but don't know, and the people that I just don't know. You know, and and it Luis: Word. Linh: it is something that I I think about all the time, you know? So I don't know, it's it's it's just one of those things. Like I I I I hate bearing witness to all the fucking shit that's happening to, you know, I mean, look look at the femicide that was happening in South South Africa, you know, and and Copy: Mm-hmm. Linh: you know, many other places in the world that gender based violence is is in is in full form and Luis: I mean just US citizens, US women, Puerto Rican women, right? Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: That that again do not have water right now. Can you imagine if like say Connecticut had no water? Like it would be all over like the state of Connecticut. Like Copy: The white fuckers would flip the fuck out. Luis: ri literally the island of Puerto Rico has no water and nobody gives Linh: Yeah. Luis: a shit. And a as well as the femicide towards Puerto Rican women. Like something Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: like half of Puerto Rican women were sterilized without their consent. Or Linh: yeah, I read about Luis: We we Linh: that. I couldn't I couldn't even believe what I was reading. I like you know Luis: Right. And that's happening to the brown girls that are in cages right now in this fucking Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: country whose only crime is fucking being brown. But these fucking white people, I'm sorry. And it's it's white leftist women too that don't seem to give a shit about them 'cause it's not them and it's not their kids. Fuck that. Sorry. Linh: Right. Right. Yeah, no, I agree with that. And also I want to acknowledge the violence against you know, our our queer community. Like, you know fuck JK Rowling Fuck her Luis: Yeah. Fuck her. Copy: Ha ha. Linh: so hard. I'm I'm just only saying that because how dare you exploit and profit off the ideology of inclus inclusivity. And are not fucking inclusive yourself. How fucking dare you? Had to say that for a second. But you know, it it it is it you know, it's just this lack, but this massive lack, and it and it is taught. It is taught at a young age, honestly, in a lot of cases, where a only you matter, which Yes, I I'm all about self-care, you know, and taking care of yourself. Because if you don't take care of yourself, how can you expect to help the other people? That is a very, very true, true statement. But you're not the one that only matters. Copy: Yeah. Luis: There it is, right? Stop raising your little Tobies to think that the world revolves around them. They're fucking mediocre. Linh: Little Toby's. Copy: Well, since we were talking about the violence towards the queer community, you know, it's like people didn't really look into the fact that it was just the anniversary of Matthew Shepherd being murdered for doing nothing other than existing. That was it. Linh: Nothing. Mm-hmm. Copy: All he did was exist. Linh: Yeah. I think that the idea of somebody is less than just because of their existence. I think that's one of the most like That is one of the most like disgusting characteristics that anybody would want to be proud of. Luis: you know what? So we see it all the time. The three of us, we sometimes when we're bored, we go on TikToks just to chat with each other, right? And it's amazing. The three of us, we know each other in real life, we're friends, we talk, right? it's amazing how many just right wing chodes try to come into that room and and just say something inflammatory just to get the attention, right? Linh: Yeah. Luis: and and I don't know about them, but for myself, TikTok has made me see that there is no hope for this fucking dumpster fucking garbage hole of a country. Like I I like Linh: Yeah, I mean Luis: it's gonna get so much worse. And I feel so bad for my queer kid and everybody else's queer child and everybody that's got every woman and then every brown person on top of that, right? Like like I mean the list is is long. Those of us that are gonna suffer. And even though I'm all like That's the way we get change, it's still going to suck. Like we're gonna wish, Linh: Yeah. Luis: like Joe says, I'm gonna be wishing for October seventh, two thousand Copy: Yeah. Luis: and twenty six, 'cause I'm already wishing for October seventh, two thousand and twenty five. Copy: Yeah. Luis: I'm already there. Linh: Yeah. joe: Yeah. Linh: Yeah. Like it's unfortunately I think like sometimes it takes something really like a really a giant pile of shit for a tree like a little tree to grow, you know? Luis: For second harvest. Linh: Yeah. Copy: Yeah. Luis: Sometimes you gotta go through the poop to get a second harvest. Linh: Sometimes yeah. W you know, I joe: Sometimes Linh: mean I I genuinely hope that that's not the case. I hope I really, you know some I mean there there are times where my brain is just like yo, we are fucked. And I'm gonna like I would extend the in that word so Luis: Yeah. Linh: much longer if I actually express how I felt. But it also gives me i a little bit of motivation and I'm not saying a lot because it should just be this way quite honestly but it just gives me a little bit of motivation to just be like, hey, you need to be louder about this. You need to be you need to do what you can because if you don't do what you can and contribute towards this the a a positive solution or at least going you know, moving that that arrow towards that direction. If you don't make a contribution, then you then that that that that demise is there that's gonna just stay there, you know, and it's g and it's it it not only it will affect you, but it'll affect fucking everybody. And do you want the people that you care about or do you want people in general to have to keep going through this shit? Not even just about you, you know? Like, do you want everybody to keep going through this shit? 'Cause this shit gonna repeat again if we don't fucking try. You know? Like, again, I have that little Luis: Yeah. Like I s like I like I said, we Copy: Who don't study history. Luis: become Palestine. If we don't stop it now, we become Palestine. Like especially down by where you live. You you're close to the border, like you said, right? Like that whole area would be horrible. Linh: Yeah, like you know, that that little bit of hope and and drive, you know, I mean I appreciate and I'm you know, it is inspiring to watch the pup the the p the public step up, you know, in a lot of ways, you know, and and it's and it's been inspiring to see there's there's a you know, there are people that are louder than before. So there is a very small you know, increase, but at least it's coming it's becoming more of an increase. And I think that for the people that have made the awful, awful, unforgivable dis decision to be an accomplice to all this bullshit, but if they are if they're at a point now, and I'm gonna say now and hopefully moving forward, in which their their the light has changed for them. and they're taking accountability for the bullshit mistakes that they made before and actually doing something that is going to be productive and helping go towards that direction that we need us to go to, that is something that I'm willing to also maybe not forgive, maybe not forget, but also work with. Luis: Holy shit, you guys, Lynn is a lot more hopeful than the three Eeyores that we are. Like I'm just sitting Copy: Yeah. joe: Ha ha ha ha. Luis: here realizing, like the three of us are like fucking Egors. We're like, it's gonna be bad. And it's gonna go worse. Copy: I I'm all for giant meet I'm Linh: I'm not saying it's not. I'm not gonna I'm not saying it's Copy: I'm all ready for giant meteor twenty twenty six right now. Linh: Yeah, like I mean Luis: There is no forgiveness. Right? That's like Copy: Mm-hmm. Luis: the three of us. Like, there is no hope. I'm getting the fuck out of here. joe: No, so like straight up so like Linh: Like, joe: I go ahead, go ahead, Lynn. Linh: no no no. I'm not saying it's not gonna be fucking shitty, you know, but I gotta hope at least I gotta be because it's really it's also part of that motivation is having that hope too. and I gotta believe, or at least really try to believe that we even the people that have fucked up royally will Something will change. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Then we're still going to be fucked and people are gonna fucking keep seeing Luis: The only thing the only thing that's gonna cause them the change Linh: this shit. And I'm not saying that that's not a chan there's not a chance of that that happening. But Luis: Un unfortunately the only thing I think that's gonna cause them to change, Lynn, is like right, like is when they're personally affected, right? Like I've seen so many people Linh: Yeah. Luis: in life become like I hate AIDS. AIDS sucks and then they get AIDS and then they're like an activist, right? Like once these Linh: Yeah. Luis: people lose their homes, once they start losing their jobs to these robots that don't give a shit, they just make money for the the the CEOs, once their Linh: Mm-hmm. Luis: children start to die. Then a and their children Linh: Then they're gonna step in. Luis: right and their children can go to jail and their children get raped in jail, then they'll give a shit. Till then Linh: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree that that's going to be the majority, yeah. But even having that is still it's shitty, it's going to be shitty, but at least that that chang that opportunity to change is there. As opposed Luis: Fuck yeah, huh. joe: Word. Luis: I like that. joe: And I I see I see that change happening with some people, right? Whether it's Linh: Yeah. joe: whether it's momentary or it's not a complete change and it's just fucking Donald Trump was a mistake. You know what I mean? And like I said earlier, Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: Donald Trump is a problem, he's not the problem. So like I'd like to see people go beyond that. But At the same point, like, okay, like I I get that you're changing. They need to realize too though, because I've seen this shit happen quite a few times, where people are like, Yeah, I was wrong, you know, I mean, and then they're lamb-basted, which okay, rightfully so, right? and then like, you know what? Fuck you. And it just pushes them right back over to being, you know, the fucking ultra Copy: Deckweed. joe: maggot out fucking dork, which is fucking to me, it's like, all right, so you didn't actually change, you wanted to be more accepted, right? So like if you want actually make that change if you're some right winger that's listening to this, like the dipshits who like to come onto our fucking social media and fucking run your mouth for fucking days, because that is somehow you're super, super tough, bro. you know, Copy: Goofy bastards. joe: no, when you're fucking making these changes, that like not everybody likes you, right? And they're not going to, and that's okay, right? You need to change because it's something that you fucking feel is really fucking wrong, straight up. And so, like you were saying earlier, there's something that we the three of us like to say continually on this show and you know in in in our lives in general and it comes from Tupac right we're like I want you to eat dog it just might not be on my fucking table you Luis: I'm Linh: we can have I would love to have that discussion with you off camera at some point, but I'm interested in hearing this. Because if you Luis: We will have it. We will have it. Linh: t want to talk about like are you if you're talking about the topic of you know performative shit. Luis: Absolutely. Linh: yes, I I cr I cr I I cringe so hard. because the bottom line to change to be better is not necessarily the goal to be liked. It is about doing the right fucking thing and having the end Luis: Right. Right. We right. Exactly. Linh: result benefit everybody as a whole. So if Luis: And the problem is that we see too many people with big social media numbers. And if you have big social media numbers, you're not worried about change. You're worried Linh: No. Luis: about getting a paycheck and you're using Linh: Yeah. Luis: marginalized communities. Linh: Yes. And and like there are some people with large numbers that actually do make a real big like an a a genuine impact. And like, you know, that's fantastic. I'm glad that that's happening. But yes, there are definitely a percentage that use it to just get followers. And and that is like it's I guess it would be a double-edged sword in a sense, because yes, the you're you're you're Your your goal is to get as many likes and as many and and getting that paycheck. But is that also that performative act also doing the work as well? ev even if it it it's out genuinely outside of you. Yours is just the post, right? It's like, hi, look at me. I'm at this, I'm at this fuck ice rally here today. great. I'm glad you're there. And all a lot of followers that you have will see that this is happening, be like w you know, hoping that some of them be like, shit, you know, there's there that there's this rally happening. Let's fucking go too. And yes, there are going to be people that are gonna be following those same people and being like, let's go there because famous people are gonna be there. And we can get pictures with them. and so it's like a photo op thing. But I think that part of it, as much as I fucking hate it, as performative as it can be, if if it overall makes the positive impact that it does for the end goal, I can't harp on it too much. But I cannot s but I will say this that do I necessarily need to like these people or follow these people on my own or try to collaborate these people because I know that their fucking shit is only surface level and not genuinely caring. then yeah, they you know not having them in my life or, you know, whatever, it it has no impact on me. Like it doesn't as long as it's doing the work, I that's what I'm most happy about, but I don't have to like it. I could just be like, you know, bye, you know, I don't need like, thank you for informing me that this rally's happening there, but I'm not gonna go try to hound you down and fucking be like, my God, let's take a selfie. because you have, you know, Luis: I like how you do that voice. Linh: yeah. my God Copy: That valley girl. my god. Luis: Joe, joe: So like I have I have a Linh: Ha ha ha. Luis: did you have something? 'Cause I'll go behind you. joe: I have a pretty interesting view on this being that at one point I was that person with that large fucking social media presence, you know what I mean? Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: Like I had I was right up there with the fucking Jolly Gingers and the fucking USMC Angry Veterans and all the fucking you know, all these big time fucking leftist creators, I was right up on there with them with the numbers on the fucking TikToks and all that shit. You know what I mean? Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: And I'm not saying it necessarily against those two creators, right? I was just using them because they're well known right now and they have big numbers, you know what I mean? but what I will say is when it comes to social media and shit, so like I had I had multiple people that have reached out to me over my time on social media and asked me for help with situations, whether it was from something that stemmed off of social media that, you know, transcribed into real life, whether they were lured off of social media by somebody Who was claiming to be Mr. Fucking good guy leftist and then fucking taken advantage of or sexually assaulted. That's happens all the fucking time. And Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: you know, I had one young woman in particular who hit me up, and I won't say her name, and I won't even go into the into the story for her safety and her anonymity. And I can't say that word. Y'all know what I mean. Thank you. yeah, that one. Linh: Short. Animidity. Animidity. Copy: Anonymity. Luis: Well worried. joe: but She had hit me up and she said, Hey, I know that you're into the punk rock shit and that, you know, you have this big fucking following. And I have hit up this person, this person, this person, this person, this person, and this person, and they either just didn't respond or told me to get fucked. because there is another person who is in the punk rock fucking doing air quotes, your community, that Copy: In crowd. joe: has a huge fucking following on the TikTok that you know, lured me there as him being a good guy and we were going to date and do this, that, and the other, and yada yada yada. And then I showed up and he raped me. And Linh: my god. joe: it happened to another fucking young woman on here too. And here's the screenshots of him even admitting it that he did these things and that it was okay because those were his needs and fucking yada yada yada. And was like, yo, what the fuck? So you have people that were more concerned with their numbers than they were with doing the right thing, right? And that's where I was like I was like, yeah, let's fucking burn every fucking account down. And I've always been that way with it. Whereas like I don't give a fuck about the numbers, the followers, the likes, the fucking I've never taken a fucking single penny from social media. If it's the right thing to do, let's burn this motherfucking account down. Let's burn this podcast down. It doesn't matter. Hold on, let me finish what I'm saying, Louise. Luis: It right. joe: You know what I mean? It it doesn't fucking matter. And so I see that aspect from the influencer side, from the TikTok side where or from the, you know, that fucking creator side where people are more worried about their numbers. The other thing is that I'm also tied in with people all over the fucking country, right? And one of the things that I've noticed that has been a huge, there has been a huge uptick in is that you get people who want to be famous on the social media. So they're showing up to these events, these rallies, these protests, these different things. They show up with absolutely no regard for the local community. They make a fucking ruckus. They make the situation worse. They get their fucking Linh: Yeah. Copy: Even split. joe: 30-second or 60-second clip, and then it's fucking deuces, they're out, right? And it makes a fucking Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: a more hostile and a more dangerous situation for the people who live there and are on the fucking ground every day. And so, like, while there is Linh: Yeah, you're right. joe: good that can happen from social media, I think that it's being used incredibly. Irresponsibly, and people really need to you know, if you are if you are somebody on social media who's going to try to use it to get famous or get coverage or go cover events, this, that, and the other, and you're going to somewhere that's not your fucking home. I want to put this out there to all of you. Talk to the people who are fucking there on the ground every day and see what they fucking need and what they want. This isn't about you. It's not about followers, it's not about fucking any of that bullshit. It's about fucking Linh: Mm-hmm. joe: trying to make a difference in the fucking cause as it moves forward. And if you're a person that has the ability to do that, by all means do that, but do it fucking responsibly. Sorry, I'll end my rant. Copy: Well, and Luis: No, that was it Linh: That was great. Luis: that that that was that was a beautiful rant. Copy: the only thing I wanna throw on there is if you're gonna be doing anything, don't just do it like every let everybody's been talking about the performative shit. Do the right thing even when nobody's fucking watching, dude. That's the most Luis: Okay, now Copy: important thing. Luis: I'm gonna eyore now. Okay. That fucking I am. Because look. Okay, joe: Okay. Copy: Okay. Luis: we've been dude you guys were out there in the streets Linh: Okay. Luis: with me in 2016, 2017, 2018, 19, everything hit in 2020, black lives fucking and I put this in air quotes because in this country We've shown black lives don't matter because why aren't we in the street for Nolan Wells? But that's a different conversation, okay? So we've seen that social media just adds to the short time span that American leftists have, which isn't very long. Because what? In 2020, in 2018, I occupied an ICE. That shit went around the country. Fucking what happened? Ice came back. We stopped about ice. Then we went to Black Lives Mattered as a whole bunch of leftists. Then we were like, well, that didn't work out. Right? Then fucking Biden fucking got elected. We were like, woo, we won! There's no more fascism. Okay. And then and then we were mad about trans people for a minute. And then we were like, this is a marathon. So we just left them out to dry. Right? Then we went to the fucking Palestinian people and we were like, this has been going on for 75 years? Yeah, we're gonna pass. Okay. Fucking Copy: Yeah. Luis: then we went back to ICE again. We were like, hey, stop shooting white people. Okay? And then The regime heard and they like, we gotta stop shooting white people, but they kept shooting everybody else. Like Linh: Yep. Luis: it just it it they don't care about us and anybody, even the Jolly Gingers, the whoever, bro. They're just using us like they've always used us before. Right? That's just my opinion. I'm sorry, we're going on fucking near almost two hours, you guys. This is one of our this this is one of our longest ones. This is a good one. This has been fun. Sorry for us. Copy: Yeah. No, it's all good. No Yeah. Yeah. Linh: Sorry, I'm a talker. joe: We are now it's all good. Copy: This is what we're about. joe: It th yeah, by Linh: No. joe: by all means, like I said, this is not where I envisioned this episode going, Linh: Ha ha joe: but I'm fully happy that it did. Like like I said in the beginning though, we're taking it wherever you wanna go, you know what I mean? And this is the route that we went, and I fucking down with Linh: Yeah, no. joe: it. Luis: You are my f you Linh: Honestly, like Luis: you sparked up right when you were like, we're all sparking up? Dope. Fuck it. And Joe went, Copy: Yeah. Yeah. Linh: Sweet. joe: Ha ha ha. Luis: fuck. Like internally I saw him go like that. Uh-huh. Copy: You fucking stoners. Linh: man I know joe: Feel like I'm at a fucking Linh: man. joe: dead fucking reunion tour 76. Fucking Don't eat the brown acid, it's poison, dog. Fucking Luis: Seventy six fucking Sh Sinaloa. It's my favorite album. Copy: Hey, come, joe: Jesus Christ. Copy: Uncle John's band. joe: The fuck Luis: Something something joe: is that, dude? Luis: the devil's a friend of mine. joe: Alright, fuck you guys. Copy: Dude, I was fucking I grew up in Eugene for fuck's sake. My mom's office where she worked was right next to Hudson Stadium. I heard the dead a lie. Luis: As we often say though, we Linh: Ha ha ha. Luis: are grateful that most of them are dead. Right? Fucking yeah, absolutely. Copy: yeah, absolutely. joe: yeah. Yeah. Luis: Worst fucking band to write one song for thirty years ever. joe: Don't forget about the fucking grateful dead to fucking Nazi pipeline, goddammit. It it is real. And you all laugh, but I'm fucking serious. Luis: my God, it it does. It's real, bro. Fucking I tell people you listen to the Grateful Dead, you're gonna be a white supremacist. Copy: Yeah. No Linh: my god. Copy: dude, here in Luis: It's fucking a given. Copy: Oregon, I especially in the Willamette Valley where I grew up, the hippies, quote unquote, and their fucking communes out in the in the sticks outside of Eugene are the most racist asshole motherfuckers I've ever come across in my entire natural life. Luis: People people that don't believe me about the dead to Nazi pipeline, I just point out John Mayer. 'Cause fuck that guy too, dude. Okay? Because that joe: Ha ha ha. Luis: dude was all like my dick's David Duke. Fuck your dick and fuck you and fuck your music. Fucking Copy: Your body's at Wonderland. Luis: No, it's not. I've seen your butt, bro. It's not a wonderland. I'm just saying. He was sorry, Dad. See, we told you, Lynn. If it w it if it if it wasn't joe: Word. Alright, alright, all right, all right. Stop. I know, I'm just saying just stop. Just fucking stop. Copy: Yeah. Linh: Ha. my god. That's okay. No, this is hilarious to me. Luis: for Joe, we would have made so many one eighty degrees copy and I and gone down s just wherever. Linh: Ha Copy: There would be federal agents at my door at this point. joe: Yeah. Luis: What? Really? I'm done. Linh: Honestly, I you know like I've just you know from traveling and stuff like that, you know, there was a point where you know I was being told to like tone it down a little bit on stage. And I'm just like, no, I'm not gonna do that. Copy: Ha ha ha. Linh: Like, they're like, well, they're they're calling us anti-Semitic. And I'm like, who? You know? And it's like, you just see these posts on Facebook. I'm like, you know those are bots, right? Like Luis: Yeah. Linh: what the fuck? Like, you know that Luis: Hm. Yeah, we Linh: wanting me to be qua dimmed down a bit is them do th we'll do we'll be doing exactly what they want. Like Luis: We had that same offer as a podcast that we had to that joe: Yeah, we did recently. Luis: we had a really big opportunity to grow and get lots of money. We had to we well w who's the old jump Pete Best. We had to Pete Best one of us and it wasn't me and Copy: It was me. Luis: and we cursed and we cursed too much. And joe: It wasn't me. Yeah. Luis: and so we came back. You should go back and listen. Well we we'll have Joe send you the link. to that episode because that's a chef I I think the episode should just Linh: Chef's kiss. Luis: be called Fuck You. Yeah, it was Chef Kiss. It was about how it was about how we can't be bot. joe: Ha ha ha. Copy: Yeah, I I I generally I don't try to go after Linh: What was it more like Copy: I generally Linh: like Copy: don't try to go after anybody individually that hard. But when somebody comes at me, they don't even know me. This person didn't know Linh: Yeah. Copy: me at fuck all. They have no idea Linh: Yeah. Copy: what my background is. It's like fuck, I spent 10 years in the military in the infantry. Fuck is my most common word to this day. So like why Luis: I was I was a little disappointed from that Copy: Don't come after me and it don't Linh: So Luis: situation because I was waiting for the hey Luis, you know it's all you, right? You know it's like that's what I was waiting for. I was all like, joe: You're the star. Luis: yeah, it's all you, Luis, you should do your own thing. But it was like nah, it was you and Joe really have something going. Linh: my god. Copy: And I'm the asshole ruining everything. joe: Yeah, fucking copy. Now you know though, Lynn, like Copy: Hey, you know, hippity hop. Linh: Yeah. joe: back to a little bit of a serious note with this shit. Like I I I personally I applaud you that you are so willing to make your politics part of your public persona because there's so many people who aren't, you know what I mean? and Linh: Yeah. joe: and that's it's incredibly brave to do, especially when you are a woman who is traveling all over the place in new areas, often and you know, always around new people and shit like that. It's a it is a a rad stance to take. And like I said a second ago, I'm talking in circles now, but I fucking seriously I applaud you for it. It's it's good Linh: Thank you. you know, joe: Yeah. Linh: and it and I and I appreciate that. Thank you so much. And and it's not even just being a woman, but I'm a queer woman of color as well. So it's, you know, and it's not something that like A, I didn't expect to do this. it just you know, I it there's just so much shit that like how can I how can anybody not, you know, like I mean and and I kinda lost my train of thought just now. no it's Luis: Sorry, I I I lost where you were talking to you. My dog joe: It's all right. Luis: farted himself awake. I'm sorry, I thought you heard that. Like I thought that's why you lost your Linh: I think Luis: train of thought. He farted himself awake. He's right here. Sorry. Linh: my god. I love that. I love that so much. No, I and again, thank you so much for saying that, Joe, and for Luis and Copy for having me a part of this. this is not something that like I am here to necessarily be praised for. Like, it's just what needs to be done. You know, I I appreciate Luis: Word. Linh: it. Like, don't get me wrong, I'm not like, you know, like trying to be dismissive or anything like that. But but honestly, like You know, I I'm I'm a performer that happens to be, you know, given you know, gifted the opportunity to be a musician that tours. And so and I'm you know, I love performing. I love it as an art form, you know, and you know, music just happens to be that catalyst. but also like you know, I can't I it I don't know if it's just it's just what I can't let go of. I can't sit behind and not try my best at doing something to steer this in, you know, in a better way. Or and, you know, and sure, you know, we all as individuals inherently do something that is, you know, you know, selfish. I mean, like even if it means helping other people and in turn it does feel good internally too. But but the bottom line is just that you I just can't just can't sit back and be like everything's fine in the world right now and when when I could be like you know what I could just use this opportunity to raise awareness about like you know about the issues that we have with immigration and and the stigma that we have behind you know immigrants and and refugees like it it's it's still it's mind boggling to me and it's even more mind boggling that you know I'm I'm you know I'm Vietnamese I'm first generation Vietnamese and my parents came here in seventy six you know and it shouldn't have to take my p my family's experience. I shouldn't have to be, you know, a daughter of Vietnamese refugees for me to feel this way. But also I think it's important to like Put out that perspective in hopes that people will receive that and be like, wow, like that's that's an intense thing for anybody to go through. I can't imagine what that would be like. Why would I want to not give this person the opportunity to to be able to get the things that I'm already able to get? You know? Luis: Word, word. Linh: And and so and I'm gonna say this too to all the Vietnamese people out there, because I know there are a lot of you out there that fucking voted for Trump too. I saw that South Vietnamese flag in a picture of the January sixth insurrection, and how fucking dare you? That's all I gotta say about that. It is it is beyond like it is like a stab in my own person like not like my fucking heart matters to people that don't fucking know me, but it is a stab to you as as a heritage. It's like it you know, you c you also came from these things. And you're voting for, you know, you're you're putting in people in power that did that want to do the exact opposite and actually kind of punish you for who you are. Luis: Absolutely. Like I can never forget that those that will betray the working class or refugee families or anything generally come from those classes, right? Like it was Fred Hampton's personal bodyguard who betrayed him to the cops, right? That that that revolutions are always betrayed by the inside, right? Yes, like for example, yes The Nazis were rounding up Jewish communities, absolutely. But there were also Jewish bootlickers within those communities that were helping them to round Linh: Yeah. Luis: up their people because they got a little bit of and I hate to I'm not religious when I say this, but they got a little bit of Judas gold, right? Betrayers' money. And Linh: Mm. Luis: and we see that all the time. And yeah, what you just said is right. So like when I think about like that Latinos voted overwhelmingly for Trump, I just you know, Think about what Malcolm X said when he said that those from the oppressed that stand with our oppressors are the worst of the Uncle Toms. Linh: Yeah. Luis: And that's right now that's all I and that they'll fucking swing too, just like the rest of them, right? But one day. Patience. Linh: Yeah. I mean it's just something that like again I don't think we'll make will we'll be you know I don't think we'll see it in our lifetime in which we'll see a world in which things are you know are in the way that we, you know, we w hoped it would be, right? I hope it happens. I genuinely hope it happens. but the fact that it's it's gone so much further back from all the progress forward we tried to make a little bit, you know. I mean it was you know, there were still very problematic things that were in existence in the past, obviously, that we just you just you know we just amplified further. but you know, but there were so many you know great things that revolutionized us as a society that we've now just stripped away. And and Luis: Absolutely. Linh: and so that's I think that's one of the most that's the Eeyore in me, you know that that it's heartbreaking. Luis: Yeah. Linh: It's absolutely heartbreaking because this the whole point in my opinion, in living is is to continuously learn and grow and evolve, but we should be able to do this as a collective. You know, it's typical that we all say, you know, we bleed the same blood. It's fucking true. We're Copy: Yeah. Linh: all made, you know what mean? Like, but it it it's, you know, until we understand it like, and I'm c I'm talking about a true understanding of love and compassion and empathy, consideration. thinking, you know, outside of, you know, it it doesn't it if it doesn't affect me, why should I even bother? You know, Until we have a real understanding and accountability for those for actually leaning towards those, like I don't I don't see necessarily it moving and you know, and changing all that much during our lifetime. I hope it does. I hope y'all could if people out there that are gonna fucking change and whatever, like if y'all can prove me wrong on that, awesome. Please, please Luis: Ha ha. Linh: do me the favor of proving me fucking wrong. But right now Copy: White people. Luis: I think I think we're gonna leave it on that on that positive note. what I will ask, because we're almost at the two hour mark here, right? Like people Linh: Ha ha ha. Luis: Americans and their attention span. I hope you come back in season two, because we are gonna have a season two. Woo-hoo. but yeah, and I hope you come back and I think we're gonna wrap it up now. before I go into my spiel boys, do you guys have anything you wanna say? joe: This was a great conversation. Copy: Ha ha. joe: I I really enjoyed it. It was great having you on Lynn and getting to know you a bit more, you know what I mean, than what we all see online and whatnot. It's it's truly an honor to have you on. Copy: Yeah, for sure. Linh: Thank you so much. It's it was an absolute pleasure. And again, I'm I'm you know, I'm of course flattered by any opportunity to to kind of put something out and and be able to speak openly about these things. So Luis: Thank you so much for being here, copy. Copy: I just wanna add at the end here to just reemphasize as a white person, white people We're the problem. Luis: Word okay with that we've been talking with Lynn from Bad Cop Bad Cop. if you care about next week, we'll be talking with Chris Sharp from Red Bricks. then the following week, Mr. Linval Golding, and then the following week, Yale anti-fascist professor Tariq Khan. Okay, in the meantime, if you're looking for some of copy thoughts, head over to bmgportland.com. And go look up copies fuck the world on the website. And while you're at the fucking website, check this out. Get this Copy: Yep, boom. Luis: new book, right? How the anti-fascist saves Christmas. It's about look what they did to Santa Claus, Lynn. Look what Trump did to Santa Claus, right? joe: Not Trump the evil wizard, dog. Linh: Yeah. Luis: Trump the Copy: The evil wizard. Luis: and look, here's Joe right there. There's Joe in the book, you see. joe: Ha ha ha. Luis: And and and and and here's the evil wizard, right? And it even comes with With an anti-fascist Christmas playlist, right? Of really rad punk rock songs. So open your fucking wallets, white people. Break bread. This is a case of if we all do a little, a lot gets done, because five dollars from this book goes to a queer indigenous youth fund so they can do whatever they need in their fucking life. So motherfuckers Copy: Fuck yeah. Luis: break bread, bmgportland.com. We'll see you next week. Joe, you got anything? Lynn, thanks for being here. joe: I do actually Linh: Thank you so much. joe: I want to add real quick to your spiel that this book was written by an indigenous person and the fucking art in there was done by a young indigenous person as well. So instead of AI sloping bullshit, you have an actual young artist who happens to be an indigenous person. It's all around a good thing to fucking support and go fucking spend some dough on. Plus, it's a dope story. Luis: There's Joe again. Copy: And if you listen to the if you're listening to this podcast, go do it before I find out where you live. Luis: Word Linh: Yeah. Luis: and once again suck it.