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UK Column News Podcast 9th April 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the ninth of April twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column News. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mike Robinson joining me by video link. We
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Speaker 1: have Charles Mallett, Vanessa Bailey and Sandy Adams Snyletter in
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Speaker 1: the program. We're going to be covering gene editing, the
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Speaker 1: Middle East and food security. But we're going to begin
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Speaker 1: with censorship because the news today is at Bitcherd, the
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Speaker 1: video sharing platform has decided to shut down operations in
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Speaker 1: the UK as a result of the Online Safety Act.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to do something I don't normally do. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to read the statement in full because I just
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Speaker 1: want to make it clear in their words why they've
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Speaker 1: done this. So they said that after careful review and
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Speaker 1: ongoing evaluation of the regulatory landscape in the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 1: we regret to inform you that Bitcherd will be discontinuing
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Speaker 1: its video sharing service for UK residents. The introduction of
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Speaker 1: the UK Online Safety Act of twenty twenty three has
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Speaker 1: brought about significant changes in the regulatory framework governing content
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Speaker 1: and community interactions. Notably, the Act contains sweeping provisions and
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Speaker 1: onerous collective corrective measures with respect to content moderation and enforcement.
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Speaker 1: In particular, the broad enforcement powers granted to the Regulator
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Speaker 1: of Communications Services OFFCOME have raised concerns regarding the open
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Speaker 1: ended and unpredictable nature of regulatory compliance for our platform.
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Speaker 1: The bit shoot platform has always operated on the principles
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Speaker 1: of freedom of speech, expression and association and strive to
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Speaker 1: foster and open an inclusive environment for content creators and
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Speaker 1: audiences alike. However, the evolving regulatory pressures, including strict enforcement
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Speaker 1: mechanisms and potential liabilities, have created an operational landscape in
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Speaker 1: which continuing to serve the UK market exposes our company
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Speaker 1: to unacceptable legal and compliance risks. Despite our best efforts
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Speaker 1: to navigate these challenges, the uncertainty surrounding the Online Safety
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Speaker 1: Act's enforcement by OFFCOM and its far reaching implications leaves
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Speaker 1: us no viable alternative but to cease normal operations in
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Speaker 1: the UK. Therefore effective immediately, Bitchhoot platform users in the
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Speaker 1: UK will no longer be able to view content produced
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Speaker 1: by any other bitshoot user, because the osay's primary concern
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Speaker 1: is that members of the public will view content deemed unsafe. However,
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Speaker 1: we will permit UK bitshoot users to continue to post content.
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Speaker 1: The significant change will be that this UK user posted
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Speaker 1: content will not be viewable by other UK users, but
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Speaker 1: will be visible to other users outside the UK. Users
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Speaker 1: outside the UK may comment of that content, which the
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Speaker 1: creator will be will continue to be able to re delete, block,
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Speaker 1: reply and flag. Users outside the UK may share UK
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Speaker 1: user produce content to other users outside of the UK
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Speaker 1: as normal. In other words, for users in the UK,
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Speaker 1: including content creators, the Bitchoot platform is no longer a
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Speaker 1: user to UK user video sharing service. We deeply regret
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Speaker 1: the inconvenience and disappointment this decision may cause to our
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Speaker 1: ukun and partners. This decision was not taken lightly. It
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Speaker 1: reflects our commitment to maintain the highest standards of compliance,
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Speaker 1: protecting our community and ensuring that our platform remains a
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Speaker 1: safe and sustainable place for creative expression globally. We recognize
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Speaker 1: the value of our UK community and extend our sincerest
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Speaker 1: apologies for the disruption caused by this necessary step. Our
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Speaker 1: support teams remain available to answer any queries of concerns
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Speaker 1: regarding this transition. We appreciate the support and engagement of
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Speaker 1: our community around the world and remain dedicated to providing
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Speaker 1: a platform that champions free expression and innovative content sharing
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Speaker 1: in an environment of regulatory certainty. Thank you for your understanding.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to say that's the end of their statement,
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Speaker 1: but I'm going to say that I do understand this absolutely.
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Speaker 1: But of course, for UK users, the way to deal
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Speaker 1: with this is to use a VPN, which everyone should
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Speaker 1: be doing by default anyway, because the particularly since the
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Speaker 1: requirement under the Investigator Pars legislation for Internet service providers
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Speaker 1: to collect all the metadata for every website you visit
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Speaker 1: on behalf of the British regime. So this is another
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Speaker 1: platform falling in the UK. And Charles, I'll be interested
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Speaker 1: to get your comments on this because it follows on,
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Speaker 1: of course, as we've been talking about over the last
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks, the announcement of small forums shutting down
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Speaker 1: because of the restrictions imposed by the regulatory regime around
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Speaker 1: so called user user platforms. What are your thoughts.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think in the first instance, although it's not
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Speaker 2: expressly written down in the Online Safety Acts twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: I think this is precisely the consequence that they have
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Speaker 2: been intending to engineer, now, of course with the assistance
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Speaker 2: of OFCOM, who, as they point out, have been handed
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Speaker 2: enforcement tools to the tune of being able to find
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Speaker 2: astronomical fee. So this is really exactly what was hoped
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Speaker 2: to be delivered, the shutting down of free speech and
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Speaker 2: indeed the gifting of the space to magnify the narrative
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Speaker 2: by the mainstream who do not fall out of this.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I use the rather crass analogy, but
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Speaker 2: what this has done is to turn responsibility for an
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Speaker 2: action into that of the holder or the hoster of
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Speaker 2: the of the platform. And I said it would be
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Speaker 2: a bit like a pub being held liable if a
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Speaker 2: fight broke out inside it. Now, unless the pub had
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Speaker 2: specifically conducted an action to incite such violence, then why
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Speaker 2: on earth should it be held liable. But in this instance,
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Speaker 2: of course, anybody that has what's described as a user
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Speaker 2: to user content is now being held liable.
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Speaker 3: So I can.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate exactly what it is they're saying. I think, of
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Speaker 2: course it's regrettable that they're not minded to challenge it,
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Speaker 2: because we at UK column certainly believe that the first
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Speaker 2: portacal is to is to challenge this in the strongest
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Speaker 2: possible terms.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's absolutely right, but of course by doing what
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Speaker 1: they're doing, they're vastly rising the profile of the situation,
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Speaker 1: so that's got to be a good thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, no, it has.
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Speaker 2: I mean I think I think you know, the majority
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Speaker 2: of people will of course be blissfully unaware of this,
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Speaker 2: and indeed, what possible gain does the mainstream have for
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Speaker 2: reporting this, Absolutely none at all. They fund off gone
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Speaker 2: and therefore there to be protected by it. So you
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Speaker 2: are quite right, and I think bitchet is fairly well
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Speaker 2: known across the board, so hopefully there will be that
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Speaker 2: sort of effect and that's I think that's what we
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Speaker 2: have to hope for. And of course that people are
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Speaker 2: watching this are going to continue to put that word out.
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Speaker 2: I think there is that sort of degree of separation
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Speaker 2: people not really understanding how freedom of speech is absolutely
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Speaker 2: directly affected by this.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and I'll just end by reinforcing the idea of
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Speaker 1: using a virtual private network of VPN, because although they're
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Speaker 1: not they don't do what they claim to do in
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Speaker 1: terms of privacy and protection and so on. At least
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Speaker 1: getting your connection to the Internet outside of UK jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: means that it's much harder for the UK government to
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Speaker 1: snoop on which website you're visiting and so on. Of
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Speaker 1: course it gets run in this particular limitation if you
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Speaker 1: happen to be in the UK. Now, related to this,
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Speaker 1: of course's data protection and well, let's just remind yourselves
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Speaker 1: about the UK's Data Use and Access Bill. It's been
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Speaker 1: mentioned many times on this program, along with its predecessor
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Speaker 1: of the Data Protection and Digital Information Bill. Now, the
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Speaker 1: main features of this bill are all encompassing. It's an
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Speaker 1: all Sorry, I'll try that again. The main features of
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Speaker 1: this all encompassing bill include a huge relaxation of data
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Speaker 1: sharing rules. It expands the definition of what are class
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Speaker 1: is legitimate interests. It creates a new pars for the
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Speaker 1: Secretary of State to amend the scope of Article nine
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Speaker 1: of the UK gdb R Prohibition on the processing of
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Speaker 1: Special categories of Personal data. Now what are those? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's things like political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs, genetic data,
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Speaker 1: biometric data, health data, these kinds of things. And it
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Speaker 1: also removes cross border restrictions on data sharing, allowing the
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Speaker 1: mass export of data to the United States in particular. Now,
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Speaker 1: this needs to be seen in the context I believe
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Speaker 1: of operational Operation Stargate and the massive building out of
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Speaker 1: the AI part bulk data processing capability which was announced
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Speaker 1: by the Trump regime immediately following his inauguration. So it
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Speaker 1: should perhaps come as no surprise then that the EU,
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Speaker 1: which is until now been famous for its regulatory regimes,
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Speaker 1: is moving in the same direction as it possibly can.
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Speaker 1: The European Commission has now finalized its plans to simplify
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Speaker 1: and potentially remove many of the regulatory requirements imposed by
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Speaker 1: the General Data Protection Regulation otherwise known as GDPR, which
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Speaker 1: has until now been widely seen as the global lead
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Speaker 1: in data protection legislation, but not for much longer so.
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Speaker 1: According to Michael McGrath, who is the European Commissioner overseeing
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Speaker 1: data privacy laws, the aim of the exercise here is
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Speaker 1: to quote improve the competitiveness of the European economy through
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Speaker 1: a whole range of simplification measures. Recently, he said it's
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Speaker 1: an objective of the European Unit to continue with full
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Speaker 1: implementation enforcement of the Data Privacy Framework, and he also
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Speaker 1: announced the EU's intention to permit data sharing with US companies.
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Speaker 1: It's my expectation, he said, because of the mutual benefits
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Speaker 1: that it provides for European companies for American companies that
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Speaker 1: there's a willingness on both sides of the Atlantic to
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Speaker 1: continue with this. So the question is, well, will Trump
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Speaker 1: pet tariffs on data? I suspect not. But meanwhile, here
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Speaker 1: in the UK, the Apple saga continues to rubble on.
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Speaker 1: And if you remember, under the latest iteration of investigatory
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Speaker 1: pars claimed by the Stormer regime, the UK government demanded
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Speaker 1: that Apple provide a backdoor to encrypt the data on
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Speaker 1: Apple's iCloud data storage infrastructure, and Apple refused to comply. Instead,
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Speaker 1: they remove the ability to enable advanced DITA protection functionality
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Speaker 1: on Apple devices here in the UK, and they then
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Speaker 1: took the case to the Investrary Pars Tribunal, which is
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Speaker 1: the core responsible for overseeing the use of this legislation.
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Speaker 1: But those hearings were to be held in secret. So
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Speaker 1: a group of privacy campaigners including open rights group, Big
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Speaker 1: brother Watch and Index on Censorship took this issue to
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Speaker 1: the tribunal and a judge is ruled that the hearings
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Speaker 1: should be heard in public. So the tribunal said that
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Speaker 1: it did not accept that the revelation of the bare
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Speaker 1: details of the case would be damaging to the public
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Speaker 1: interest or prejudicial to national security, and this is a
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Speaker 1: good step in the right direction. The Investory pars Act
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Speaker 1: and its recent amendments are really an anathemoutic data protection
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Speaker 1: and anything which helps expose it for what it is
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Speaker 1: is good news. But the key point here is that
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Speaker 1: while you and I want our data to be private,
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Speaker 1: and Apple, for marketing reasons, perhaps wants that to be
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Speaker 1: private as well, the regime in this country does not
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Speaker 1: want that to be private, and worse than that, they
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Speaker 1: want the fact that they don't want it to be
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Speaker 1: private to be private. So that means that under this legislation,
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Speaker 1: if you remember, it is against the law for a
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Speaker 1: tech company to let any individual know that the spooks
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Speaker 1: have demanded access to the personal DITTA. Again, Charles, any
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Speaker 1: thoughts on this, because this is I think a bit
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Speaker 1: of a win.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yes, I suppose we have to be
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Speaker 2: a little bit guarded in what we really do regard
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Speaker 2: as a win in the first instance, But no, I
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Speaker 2: mean I would absolutely totally agree with that. I think there's,
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Speaker 2: like with all of these sorts of topics, I think
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Speaker 2: that the main point is the hope that this goes
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Speaker 2: out to a wider audience, that people do actually get
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Speaker 2: some sense of not just what is going on, but
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Speaker 2: what has been going on. Of course, there's something that's
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Speaker 2: been covered on the news in its various guises for
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Speaker 2: so many years, and yet attraction that it gains is
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Speaker 2: invariably very very little, and often when it is appreciated
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Speaker 2: exactly what the situation is in ef fact, the door
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Speaker 2: has closed and it's too late. But yes, I would
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Speaker 2: absolutely agree, and let's just hope that we can put
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Speaker 2: it down as a win.
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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that, Charles. Now let's come on
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Speaker 1: to well, what you're calling a digital prison.
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Speaker 3: I'm calling it a digital prison.
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Speaker 2: I'm referring to what's happened just yesterday with the news
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Speaker 2: that company's house is to introduce a new verification scheme
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Speaker 2: for identity. Of course, the word verify creeping into virtually
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Speaker 2: everything that pertains to online or digital activity, as though
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Speaker 2: in some way it confers the idea of security, which
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Speaker 2: is one of the main selling points. But the reason
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Speaker 2: for describing it as a prison is it seems that
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Speaker 2: the walls are in effect closing in or there is
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Speaker 2: an attempt for the walls to close in from direction
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Speaker 2: over which people have very little control. So of course
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Speaker 2: company's house is the conduit that draws people in who
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Speaker 2: are going to be conducting any sort of business activity,
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Speaker 2: at least in the first instance where they're incorporating their organization,
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Speaker 2: and indeed they're going back to company's house to file
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Speaker 2: all the various documents that are required over the course
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Speaker 2: of the year. So it should be made clear that
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Speaker 2: first of all, this is not going to affect the
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Speaker 2: records that are already on the company's house book, but
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Speaker 2: this will take a future effect. And the reason that
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Speaker 2: this is happening is because of the Economic Crime and
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Speaker 2: Corporate Transparency Act going back to twenty twenty three. Now,
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Speaker 2: it really has a rather misleading title, as I'll go
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Speaker 2: on to articulate, but it's said that the role of
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Speaker 2: the Act was to reform the role of company's house
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Speaker 2: and improve transparency over UK companies and other legal entities,
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Speaker 2: to strengthen our business environment, support our national security and
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Speaker 2: disrupt economic crime. Now, I think it's questionable as to
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Speaker 2: whether any of those things will be achieved. Certainly not
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Speaker 2: all of them, and certainly not via the mechanism of
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Speaker 2: that particular piece of legislation, But there will be certain
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Speaker 2: other consequences which I would imagine are fairly predictable and
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Speaker 2: therefore have been engineered into the system, one of which
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Speaker 2: is reported by the UK Cybersecurity Sexual Analysis of this year,
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Speaker 2: published quite recently by the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology,
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Speaker 2: And of course no great surprize, but the industry has
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Speaker 2: swelled by over twelve percent in the last year and
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Speaker 2: now delivers a return of just over thirteen billion pounds,
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Speaker 2: and I think we can expect an exponential increase then that.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the important point to note is that many
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Speaker 2: organizations in that field are in effect covering both sides
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Speaker 2: of the fence by saying that they're going to provide
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Speaker 2: the security, but also providing the systems themselves that require
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Speaker 2: the security. So it's all fairly well covered off. One
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Speaker 2: might say, now this obviously relates to the notion of
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Speaker 2: digital identity. I just think it would be worth remembering
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Speaker 2: the facile terms in which the government put their message
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Speaker 2: for this in order to try to convince people that
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Speaker 2: it was a good idea. So here's Peter Kyle, the
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Speaker 2: Minister for the Department. We've just been speaking about trying
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Speaker 2: to advertise this product.
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Speaker 4: By mate, Can I get a pint of log of Police?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it's got someone here.
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Speaker 5: Hi for have a pint of Christmas cracker please. I
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Speaker 5: know it's a surprise for everyone, but I don't get
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Speaker 5: asked for my ID anymore. But for loads of young people,
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Speaker 5: they get asked all the time when they want to
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Speaker 5: buy a drink. So we're changing the law so that
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Speaker 5: next Christmas young people will have their ID on their phone,
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Speaker 5: so they won't have all the hassle of needing to
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Speaker 5: get ID or leaving their idea at home, or their
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Speaker 5: paper ID getting lost or damaged.
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Speaker 3: There's already fifty digital.
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Speaker 5: Apps like this one. But what it means is that
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Speaker 5: bar staff can scan to prove somebody's identity and it
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Speaker 5: doesn't give away any personal information. So it means that
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Speaker 5: giving a ID is safer than it's ever been before.
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Speaker 5: Changes like these are going to create economic growth for
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Speaker 5: our country, which is key to our plan for change.
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Speaker 5: You are great, thanks, you can put it on the
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Speaker 5: tapp So this means by next Christmas, buying a pint
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Speaker 5: will be a little bit easier.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure if it would have been able
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Speaker 2: to cram any more untruths into such a short video clip,
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Speaker 2: but he had a fairly good go at it. Of course,
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Speaker 2: first thing to note might be that the government minister
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Speaker 2: didn't try to help. A member of the public could
16:55
Speaker 2: just drop something right next to him, so I thought
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Speaker 2: it was quite indicative. But the point is that he
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Speaker 2: is really honestly trying to make a case for security
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Speaker 2: and convenience versus the possibility that you might occasionally drop
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Speaker 2: something that is physical on the floor, and that's really
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Speaker 2: his only selling point. But this is the direction that
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Speaker 2: we are to be consistently pushed. And that's why this
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Speaker 2: idea of verification scheme the companies so house trying to
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Speaker 2: roll out is just yet another trap by which people
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Speaker 2: are going to be ensnared and forced into something that
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Speaker 2: really has absolutely no benefit and plenty of risk. And
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Speaker 2: that's what I want to go on to talk about
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Speaker 2: because a report has been published by Tal's of all people,
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Speaker 2: the defense business of course, who stand again in this theater,
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Speaker 2: and they've constructed a report where they say that they're
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Speaker 2: concerned about digital identity storage on mobile telephones, of course
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Speaker 2: exactly what Peter Carl's been talking about. But he's suggesting.
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Speaker 2: They're all trying to suggest that because it's digital and
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Speaker 2: there's a biometric security verification, that it is impregnable, which
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Speaker 2: could not really be further from the truth. And so
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Speaker 2: this is referring to people who've got images stored of
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Speaker 2: identity documents and therefore there's a low security threshold there,
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Speaker 2: and therefore there should be a mechanism by which we're
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Speaker 2: able to deal with that via this much faunted idea
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Speaker 2: of digital ID. And so let's just have a quick
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Speaker 2: look at some of the companies that are involved in
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Speaker 2: this space, and we'll be holding some of the infrastructure
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Speaker 2: that we are supposed to rely on, one of them
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Speaker 2: being cap Gemini. And here's a piece from Hedgehog talking
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Speaker 2: about twenty gigabytes of sensitive information having been stolen. Now,
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Speaker 2: the reason I've highlighted them is because I put in
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Speaker 2: a freedom of information request to the Ministry of Defense
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Speaker 2: recently about the veteran ID card in order to find
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Speaker 2: out who's going to be dealing with the data, because
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Speaker 2: it certainly isn't going to be the Ministry of Defense.
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Speaker 2: And as se an on screen now, it says the
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Speaker 2: main third party provider of support to the development of
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Speaker 2: the digital card service is a company called cap Gemini,
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Speaker 2: so it's a fail for them. The next one we
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Speaker 2: look at is a data breach reported here by Bearings Law,
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Speaker 2: and in this instance we're talking about Shared Services Connected
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Speaker 2: Limited SSCL, and again in response to the freedom of
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Speaker 2: information request I put in, they state the Minister of
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Speaker 2: Defense state the personal information of veterans applying for the
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Speaker 2: Digital Veteran Card will be processed and held by Shared
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Speaker 2: Services Connected Limited, So they don't get it right either. Next,
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Speaker 2: of course, and entirely probably the whole company's house infrastructure
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Speaker 2: is run by Amazon Web Services. So first of all,
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Speaker 2: we've got the enormous conflict of interest when we're looking
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Speaker 2: at transparency and how companies actually conduct their business. And
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Speaker 2: it's worth noting that Amazon paid no corporation tax between
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, and yet here they
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Speaker 2: are providing the very basis upon which company's house is
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Speaker 2: trying to build all this nonsense. So we then see
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Speaker 2: that Amazon Web Services, of course certainly many government services
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Speaker 2: on the back of it, but they've had plenty of
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Speaker 2: breaches as well, so that doesn't work either. And I
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Speaker 2: think it's beginning to look increasingly like dropping your wallet
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Speaker 2: on the pub floor might be the best possible outcome.
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Speaker 2: And just to round this off, it's worth noting that
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Speaker 2: all this goes full circle because if there is an
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Speaker 2: issue with this, who do you get in touch with
20:18
Speaker 2: via the outsourced contact center service? None other than Hinduja
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Speaker 2: Global Solutions, and they are indeed part of the many
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Speaker 2: businesses that the Whodinja brother sorry Hinduja brothers involved in
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Speaker 2: the two thousand and one cash for passport scandal with
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Speaker 2: Peter Mandelson refers back to so really just an absolute
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Speaker 2: nest of incompetence and dishonesty and frankly, what should be
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Speaker 2: another nail in the coffin of digital identity.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Charles Zecky for that. Let's move to the
20:52
Speaker 1: Middle East then, and Vanessa, what's going on? Escalation happening
20:57
Speaker 1: in the region.
21:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely, it looks like some kind of escalation, But
21:03
Speaker 6: I would also say it's very much about fake news,
21:07
Speaker 6: both in the UK, the EU and the US to
21:11
Speaker 6: try and portray Iran as severely weakened prior to the
21:18
Speaker 6: indirect or direct according to Trump talks that are going
21:22
Speaker 6: to take place in Arman on Saturday, So let's have
21:25
Speaker 6: a quick look at a few of the reports that
21:28
Speaker 6: have been coming out in the last few days. So
21:30
Speaker 6: first of all, there was a claim and actually this
21:33
Speaker 6: was in the Telegraph Iran abandons whuties under relentless US compartment.
21:39
Speaker 7: This was a claim that Iranian advisors were fleeing Yemen
21:44
Speaker 7: under the US heavy bombardment, which of course has been
21:49
Speaker 7: denied both by and Schruller in Yemen and by Iran itself.
21:54
Speaker 8: And of course the.
21:55
Speaker 6: Fact is that while Trump is claiming that the US
22:00
Speaker 6: has basically beaten and troller back, of course it hasn't.
22:05
Speaker 6: The missiles are still coming both towards the occupied territories
22:08
Speaker 6: of Palestine and towards US and Israeli shipping in the
22:12
Speaker 6: Red Sea.
22:13
Speaker 8: Then this report came out again very recently, Iran backed Iraqi.
22:18
Speaker 6: Militious considered disarming amid threats from the Trump administration. Again,
22:23
Speaker 6: this is denied, but it was picked up by let's
22:26
Speaker 6: say soft Zionist media in Hrets which we can have
22:32
Speaker 6: a look at that report again. It talks about with
22:35
Speaker 6: disarmament of militious and Iraqi Iran signals and major strategic shift.
22:40
Speaker 6: It's saying that Proanian militias, of course, again describing them
22:44
Speaker 6: almost as proxies of Iran, which is untrue, have agreed
22:48
Speaker 6: to disarm.
22:49
Speaker 8: But it doesn't necessarily.
22:50
Speaker 6: Indicate a weakening of Iran's power in Iraq, but does
22:53
Speaker 6: point to Tehran recalibrating its strategy following the blows to
22:58
Speaker 6: its ring of fire, which cause include Lebanon, Palestine and
23:03
Speaker 6: the international coup in Syria last December. So effectively, what
23:07
Speaker 6: it's trying to say is that Iran is in a
23:11
Speaker 6: weakened position It's prepared to compromise during the talks on
23:15
Speaker 6: Saturday in Vermont. This is an article again in what
23:18
Speaker 6: I would call as a sort of soft centrist Israeli media,
23:25
Speaker 6: as reconstruction stalled. Some Lebanon victims of Israeli strikes, which
23:29
Speaker 6: was during the previous war between Hezbolara and Israel, say
23:34
Speaker 6: they won't bile to US pressure to normalize with Israel.
23:37
Speaker 8: So what is the US trying to do.
23:39
Speaker 6: It's trying to withhold funding for the reconstruction of the
23:42
Speaker 6: South and that includes the thousand southern suburbs of Beirut.
23:48
Speaker 4: Through the IMF and the World Bank.
23:50
Speaker 6: Which of course is a very typical strategy of the
23:53
Speaker 6: United States.
23:55
Speaker 8: On the sixth of.
23:56
Speaker 6: April, the US envoy more so sorry Morgan O'tigers came
24:02
Speaker 6: to Lebanon, and of course she is pushing for the
24:06
Speaker 6: full disarmament of hes Bola, again using the threats that
24:11
Speaker 6: IMF and World Bank won't put any funding into the
24:15
Speaker 6: rebuilding of Lebanon, but also threatening that the US will
24:18
Speaker 6: withdraw from the Oversight Committee, which effectively will give Israel
24:23
Speaker 6: full freedom to act in the South without any kind
24:27
Speaker 6: of calibration by the United States. Next false report, Hesbla
24:32
Speaker 6: is apparently ready for disarmament talks if Israel withdraws from
24:36
Speaker 6: South Lebanon, well, Israel should have already withdrawn under the
24:39
Speaker 6: original ceasefire agreement, and in reality, what this is trying
24:44
Speaker 6: to do is to go for not only the withdrawal
24:48
Speaker 6: of Hesbella from the southern region to the north of
24:51
Speaker 6: the Litani River, which is part of the UN Resolution
24:54
Speaker 6: seventeen oh one, which was part of the Seaspire agreement.
24:59
Speaker 8: But as I've mentioned, and of course, Israel.
25:01
Speaker 6: Has maintained its presence military presence in five areas of the.
25:05
Speaker 4: South, five strategic kai areas from which.
25:08
Speaker 6: It is on a regular basis attacking civilians in that area,
25:14
Speaker 6: but it's also been carrying out as strikes on a
25:17
Speaker 6: regular basis, drome surveillance, drome strikes, drome assassination, so it's
25:22
Speaker 6: not at all holding to the ceasfire agreement. And then
25:29
Speaker 6: yesterday this was a major report that came out in
25:31
Speaker 6: Saudi Arabian media. Of course, Saudi Arabia working regularly to
25:37
Speaker 6: reinforce a Zionist agenda.
25:39
Speaker 1: In the region, and it looks like we have lost
25:46
Speaker 1: Vanessa unfortunately. So well, she'll be back in a second.
25:51
Speaker 1: But anyway, there is a final you're back. No, you're
25:58
Speaker 1: not back, Yeah, you're back, yes, okay, right, sorry, you
26:04
Speaker 1: were talking about rands alcude special forces or to smugger
26:08
Speaker 1: weapons for Hezbela.
26:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, which of course is clearly untrue, but it may
26:14
Speaker 6: signal an attack by Israel on the port itself. We
26:17
Speaker 6: could hear Israeli jets in the skies yesterday. And finally,
26:23
Speaker 6: there were reports on social media that there were special
26:27
Speaker 6: US representatives landed in Israel yesterday for talks. But also Benavia,
26:33
Speaker 6: one of the most extremist members of Netanyahu's government, has
26:38
Speaker 6: embarked on an official visit to the us after being
26:41
Speaker 6: boycotted by Biden administration. So what we seem to be
26:45
Speaker 6: seeing is a build up of stories to facilitate some
26:49
Speaker 6: kind of escalation, but also prior to the meeting on
26:53
Speaker 6: Saturday between Stephen Whitgoff and the Uranian representatives.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday interview Thinking with your Heart, this was yours, Charles.
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Speaker 3: It was indeed absolute terrific.
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Speaker 1: should be of importance to everybody. Vanessa, let me come
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Speaker 1: back to you then, And well we're looking at Iran again.
29:51
Speaker 1: But watch obviously net and Yah, who's meeting Trump in
29:54
Speaker 1: the last day or two? So what were they saying?
29:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I just wanted to play excerpt from the meeting,
30:02
Speaker 6: or rather the press conference between Trump and Latino, who
30:05
Speaker 6: which was what Trump said on the upcoming ran meeting,
30:10
Speaker 6: So let's just roll this.
30:13
Speaker 10: Wait wait, wait, we're having direct talks with Iran and.
30:19
Speaker 9: They've started.
30:20
Speaker 10: It'll go on Saturday, we have a very big meeting,
30:23
Speaker 10: or we'll see what can happen.
30:25
Speaker 9: And I think everybody agrees that.
30:28
Speaker 10: Doing a deal would be preferable to doing the obvious,
30:33
Speaker 10: and the obvious is not something that I want to
30:36
Speaker 10: be involved with, or frankly, that Israel wants to be
30:39
Speaker 10: involved with if they can avoid it.
30:41
Speaker 9: So we're going to see if we can avoid it.
30:43
Speaker 10: But it's getting to be very dangerous territory, and hopefully
30:48
Speaker 10: those talks will be successful, and I think it would
30:51
Speaker 10: be Interran's best interest if they are successful.
30:55
Speaker 9: We hope that's going to happen.
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Speaker 6: So here, Trump basically is saying, despite the reports saying
31:05
Speaker 6: that these talks would be indirect talks. In other words,
31:07
Speaker 6: they would be overseen or moderated, let's say by Oman.
31:12
Speaker 6: He's now saying they're direct talks with his envoy Stephen Whitzkoff,
31:18
Speaker 6: and Reuters picked this up said, Trump says US Iran
31:22
Speaker 6: set for direct nuclear talks. Tehran says that they will
31:26
Speaker 6: be indirect, and in fact, the Iranian foreign minister went
31:30
Speaker 6: on x immediately after to basically point out that as
31:35
Speaker 6: far as he's concerned, if we can just put the
31:38
Speaker 6: tweet up, Iran and the United States will meet in
31:41
Speaker 6: Oman on Saturday for indirect high level talks. It is
31:45
Speaker 6: as much an opportunity as it is a test. The
31:48
Speaker 6: ball is in America's court. Interesting that everybody seems to
31:51
Speaker 6: be using the ball in the court analogies, including of
31:55
Speaker 6: course the United States and Trump over the Russian Ukraine
31:59
Speaker 6: ne coach siations. But I think for me what this
32:03
Speaker 6: signals is America is basically setting Iran up for failure
32:08
Speaker 6: by Trump saying this will be a direct talk, by
32:11
Speaker 6: Iran basically saying no, we maintain that they should be
32:14
Speaker 6: indirect talks. There is potential, of course for the United
32:17
Speaker 6: States and it's slavish media to basically portray Iran as
32:23
Speaker 6: being obstructive even prior to the talk. So we will
32:27
Speaker 6: wait and see, and that, of course, in the context
32:29
Speaker 6: of the previous reports suggesting Iran's weakness in the region
32:34
Speaker 6: and the weakness of its allies that are under threat
32:38
Speaker 6: but are certainly not as weak as they're being portrayed
32:42
Speaker 6: by Trump and Western media. So we will see what
32:46
Speaker 6: happens on Saturday.
32:49
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Thank you very much, Vanessa, and
32:51
Speaker 1: I Dan Cleman was who was the crowd founder was
32:54
Speaker 1: for I do apologize Dan, I'm very sorry about that.
32:56
Speaker 1: I'm very embarrassed. But there we go. We will move on.
33:01
Speaker 1: Back in March, at the beginning of March, we introduced
33:04
Speaker 1: you to this company, Colossal, the genetic manipulators who are
33:08
Speaker 1: trying to raise money for Jurassic Park. It seems if
33:11
Speaker 1: you remember, they were into they are into gene editing
33:15
Speaker 1: to recreate what they say. So let's quote this the
33:18
Speaker 1: lost megafauna and other creatures of the past, but only
33:22
Speaker 1: the ones they say that had a measurably positive impact
33:26
Speaker 1: on our fragile ecosystems, like the wily mammoth. If you remember,
33:30
Speaker 1: they hope that having mammoths running around the Arctic tundra
33:33
Speaker 1: will encourage grasses to grow, which will capture loads of
33:36
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide. So if you remember, they edited the gene edited. Sorry,
33:41
Speaker 1: they gene edited a mouse to give it long hair
33:45
Speaker 1: as the first step to getting to the wooly mammoth.
33:50
Speaker 1: But don't worry, they will only start experimenting on actual
33:54
Speaker 1: elephants when they're convinced the process is safe and effective. Well, anyway,
33:59
Speaker 1: they've taken a step forward with the creation of three
34:03
Speaker 1: d wolves. So this is the announcement page on their website.
34:08
Speaker 1: The three dar wolves are called Romulus, Remus, and CALLIESI.
34:14
Speaker 1: In a sobtter Game of Thrones, at least the last
34:16
Speaker 1: one is where dar wolves were a thing. Colossal says
34:21
Speaker 1: that on the first of October twenty twenty four, for
34:24
Speaker 1: the first time in human history, Colossal successfully restored a
34:28
Speaker 1: once eradicated species through the science of de extinction after
34:32
Speaker 1: a ten thousand plus year absence. Our team is proud
34:35
Speaker 1: to return the darwolf to its rightful place in the ecosystem. Colossals,
34:39
Speaker 1: innovations and science, technology and conservation made it possible to
34:43
Speaker 1: accomplish something that's never been done before, the revival of
34:46
Speaker 1: a species from its long standing population of zero. Well,
34:49
Speaker 1: of course, this is total nonsense. The reality is that
34:52
Speaker 1: they took an existing animal, a gray wolf, and they
34:54
Speaker 1: played with its genome very slightly. They in fact ad
34:58
Speaker 1: justin fourteen very specific genes make it look like the
35:01
Speaker 1: extinct darwolf, and then they declare that they've brought back
35:04
Speaker 1: the extinct species. They didn't bring back the extinct species
35:07
Speaker 1: and their claims are just as fictional as the CGI
35:10
Speaker 1: dar wolves in Game of Thrones. Now remember, in this country,
35:14
Speaker 1: this nonsense is enabled by the Genetic Technology Precision Breeding
35:19
Speaker 1: Act twenty twenty three and if you remember when it
35:22
Speaker 1: was introduced, Joe Churchill, Minister for agri Innovation, said new
35:26
Speaker 1: tech genetic technologies could help us tackle some of the
35:29
Speaker 1: biggest challenges of our age around food security, climate change
35:33
Speaker 1: and biodiversity loss. But as Charles reported some time ago,
35:37
Speaker 1: this isn't just about vanity projects like woolly mammoth's and darwolves.
35:42
Speaker 1: This is happening to our food supply and so the
35:44
Speaker 1: question is what could possibly go wrong. Well, let's let's
35:48
Speaker 1: have a look at it. Because meanwhile, in Australia, efforts
35:51
Speaker 1: are a food to deal with the kin toad problem,
35:54
Speaker 1: there by genetically engineering those animals to create a kin
35:58
Speaker 1: toad tadpole which never grows up. Instead, it remains a tadpole,
36:02
Speaker 1: a cannibalistic tadpole that voraciously eats other cane toad eggs.
36:08
Speaker 1: And the nut jobs have done this claim this will
36:11
Speaker 1: reduce the wild population of claim toads of cane toad sorry,
36:14
Speaker 1: which is out of control in Australia. Now. The project,
36:17
Speaker 1: which is a collaboration between a number of universities and
36:21
Speaker 1: foundations and also state governments, has so far received permits
36:25
Speaker 1: to run experiments in controlled settings in Western Australia and
36:28
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, and the gene edited tadpoles have not
36:32
Speaker 1: been tested in the wild yet, but field trials are
36:35
Speaker 1: expected in Western Australia later this year after what they
36:38
Speaker 1: laughingly call a risk assessment. Now, the depressing early here,
36:43
Speaker 1: of course, is that cane toads were initially released in
36:46
Speaker 1: Queensland in nineteen thirty five in order to control caine beetles,
36:49
Speaker 1: but ended up creating a bigger problem than the one
36:51
Speaker 1: that they were trying to solve in the first place.
36:53
Speaker 1: So again I'm going to ask what could possibly go wrong?
36:56
Speaker 1: What could possibly go wrong?
36:58
Speaker 2: Charles Well, I think the list is probably limitless. And
37:05
Speaker 2: as far as I recall, when Pandora's box was opened,
37:09
Speaker 2: it was it was not a great outcome. So I
37:12
Speaker 2: think this is absolutely extraordinary in so many respects. I mean,
37:17
Speaker 2: it's completely beside the point whether the technology exists or not,
37:23
Speaker 2: the idea that the introduction or the removal of one
37:27
Speaker 2: species can be done in such a way as to
37:31
Speaker 2: not disrupt that ecosystem with a negative and net negative
37:36
Speaker 2: outcome is perfectly extraordinary. Nobody knows. And so it's the
37:42
Speaker 2: same you know, with all of these things. To suggest
37:45
Speaker 2: that just because it can be done, that therefore somehow
37:49
Speaker 2: it's legitimate to do it is perfectly bizarre. And you
37:51
Speaker 2: know you refer to the gene editing the spring trials
37:55
Speaker 2: this year. I mean, if you read the safety data
37:57
Speaker 2: or the provisions place to try to stop anything happening,
38:02
Speaker 2: they're absolutely laughable. You just put a twenty meter strip
38:06
Speaker 2: around the edge of a field that you're growing something
38:09
Speaker 2: in and then you hope for the best. I mean,
38:11
Speaker 2: that is it. That is literally what you do. So
38:14
Speaker 2: this is I mean it's a terrible joke, but it
38:16
Speaker 2: is a joke.
38:17
Speaker 1: Absolutely sounding. Let me welcome you to the program then,
38:21
Speaker 1: and further related stuff, but let's look at beef prices
38:26
Speaker 1: to start off with.
38:27
Speaker 11: Yeah, thank you, thank you, Mike. I mean, obviously we
38:30
Speaker 11: were at the UK column conference at the weekend and
38:33
Speaker 11: there are a number of farmers there which was great,
38:35
Speaker 11: So interaction with them is always good to see what's
38:38
Speaker 11: going on on the ground, and there were a few
38:41
Speaker 11: very concerned beef farmers at the conference. Beef prices arising
38:46
Speaker 11: significantly and obviously this will affect both farmers and consumers.
38:50
Speaker 11: The decrease follows the sustained reduction in cattle numbers, influenced
38:55
Speaker 11: by factors such as declining direct payments to farmers and
38:58
Speaker 11: challenges in business profitability. Specifically, the beef female breeding herd
39:03
Speaker 11: experience of four point five percent drop to one point
39:05
Speaker 11: thirty four million per head, marking the largest annual reduction
39:09
Speaker 11: in cattle per head in the country in UK. Ever,
39:14
Speaker 11: the tightening supply has led to record high prices paid
39:17
Speaker 11: to farmers which are called farm gate prices, which is
39:19
Speaker 11: really the price they reach at market. For instance, farmers
39:24
Speaker 11: I spoke to at the conference said that beef had
39:26
Speaker 11: formerly fetched four hundred to six hundred pounds per animal
39:30
Speaker 11: at market and it's now fetching anything up to eighteen
39:34
Speaker 11: hundred pounds at market and rising. So farmers are facing
39:38
Speaker 11: high costs for feed, energy and transportation. Also, these combined
39:43
Speaker 11: factors have led to a noticeable price increases to know
39:48
Speaker 11: in beef and abatoires play a major role in influencing
39:51
Speaker 11: the price of the beef in the UK. Even though
39:54
Speaker 11: they don't officially set the prices, they exert power in
39:57
Speaker 11: the market, often to the farmers disadvantage. Their role is
40:02
Speaker 11: e grading pricing and controlling access to the supply chain
40:06
Speaker 11: gives them a sort of quasi pricing power. I think
40:11
Speaker 11: from what I can gather, the UK meat processing industry
40:14
Speaker 11: has been consolidated in recent years down to three larger corporations.
40:18
Speaker 11: I mean we're seeing this across the board, with this
40:21
Speaker 11: consolidation of power to larger corporations from small and medium
40:25
Speaker 11: sized businesses and that's what's happened to the meat processing
40:30
Speaker 11: And according to the Cattle and Sheep Farmers Association, a
40:34
Speaker 11: lot of the farmers feel that these companies are operating
40:37
Speaker 11: like cartels and they struggle to get a fair price
40:40
Speaker 11: at the markets. There are the three big companies that
40:44
Speaker 11: have consolidated are ABP Food Group, which is Anglo Beefproof
40:50
Speaker 11: Processors and they employ about thirteen thousand people across divisions
40:57
Speaker 11: and they operate in nine countries in Europe with a
40:59
Speaker 11: turnover five billion euros a year. Massive company. And there's
41:06
Speaker 11: another one called Dawn Meets which have been sort of
41:09
Speaker 11: amalgamated with Dunbia. Now there's a picture here of them
41:14
Speaker 11: and they they've invested nine million in net zero climate commitments,
41:20
Speaker 11: which is what they're getting that kind of what's happening
41:26
Speaker 11: in that photograph. They seem to be having a big
41:28
Speaker 11: confidence about it, and they have something called Pan four
41:32
Speaker 11: zero Plan four zero, which is targeting net zero operation
41:36
Speaker 11: emissions by twenty forty.
41:38
Speaker 12: So the next one is a Keypac Group.
41:43
Speaker 11: And Keypap is an Irish own company with significant operations
41:47
Speaker 11: in the UK, and that again reported a revenue of
41:50
Speaker 11: one point two billion in its financial years. So we've
41:55
Speaker 11: you know, these are big movers and shakers. So it's
41:58
Speaker 11: not about market.
41:59
Speaker 12: Control, it's it is about market control.
42:02
Speaker 11: The dominance of these large processes means that they have
42:05
Speaker 11: substantial control over the meat supply chain, and this consolidation
42:09
Speaker 11: can limit the bargaining power of individual farmers. What we
42:14
Speaker 11: have to remember, also going back to Dunbainit Dunbia, which
42:19
Speaker 11: is one of the biggest meat processes, is that they
42:24
Speaker 11: are aligning to the seventeen goals. Now, given that the
42:28
Speaker 11: government net zero policies call for no meat production by
42:32
Speaker 11: twenty forty nine, will they collapse the meat processing eventually
42:36
Speaker 11: to fulfill their commitment as a plan for zero focuses
42:40
Speaker 11: on environment, food, farming, and society. And it would seem
42:45
Speaker 11: that meat production is a bit of a conflict of
42:48
Speaker 11: interest for these corporations.
42:50
Speaker 12: So what is really happening anyway?
42:55
Speaker 11: That aside, the recent price increase in beef is forcing
42:59
Speaker 11: some farmers to sell sooner and de stop, especially those
43:02
Speaker 11: struggling with rising input costs like feed, fuel, energy, interest rates,
43:07
Speaker 11: and tax so you know, a lot of them fearing
43:11
Speaker 11: a price drop. There's a sort of selling and de stocking,
43:16
Speaker 11: and it's keeping farmers in quite a high anxiety state
43:20
Speaker 11: because some of them are exiting the industry altogether due
43:23
Speaker 11: to you know, regulations or financial pressure. But in the
43:29
Speaker 11: long term, this reduces a breeding herd, which tightens the
43:32
Speaker 11: future supply and drives up the prices. So will this
43:35
Speaker 11: push up the supermarket beef price, Well, of course it will.
43:39
Speaker 11: You know, we expect continued price hikes or smaller portion
43:42
Speaker 11: sizes in what they call shrink flation, you know, when
43:45
Speaker 11: they reduce the size of the product but sell it
43:48
Speaker 11: at the same price. So also the supermarkets could easily
43:54
Speaker 11: push the sale of cheaper, lab grown, highly processed artificial meat,
43:58
Speaker 11: and I think they will. With real meat being priced
44:03
Speaker 11: out of the supermarket, what a great opportunity to replace
44:05
Speaker 11: it with all these meatless products. Supermarkets are profit driven,
44:09
Speaker 11: and alternative proteins offer lower production volatility.
44:14
Speaker 12: And higher margins.
44:15
Speaker 11: And they also appeal to the e SG investors and
44:18
Speaker 11: net zero agendas which are being pushed by the UN.
44:22
Speaker 11: So we've got all these these agendas all pushing pushing
44:26
Speaker 11: the meatless market if you like. So you know, they've
44:31
Speaker 11: got control over you know, food supply chains and they
44:34
Speaker 11: don't have to deal with stubborn farmers and activists and stuff.
44:37
Speaker 11: Now supermarkets are already subtly nudging. They're being pressured really
44:42
Speaker 11: with ESG frameworks and government incentives to promote sustainable proteins,
44:47
Speaker 11: which increasingly includes you know, lab grown you know, insect
44:51
Speaker 11: based or plant based substitutes.
44:54
Speaker 12: Lab grown meat is on the horizon.
44:57
Speaker 11: It's it's getting regulatory approval in their markets in the UK,
45:01
Speaker 11: and that's next in line. We've got three D printed meat.
45:04
Speaker 11: Its in this early stages pilot testing mostly abroad, but
45:09
Speaker 11: it's a flashy tool for shaping texture and the poor
45:12
Speaker 11: product and fake meat. Obviously, plant based is already here
45:18
Speaker 11: in our supermarkets with products like beyond Coorn Vivera, and
45:22
Speaker 11: it's likely to be heavily promoted if beef prices stay high.
45:27
Speaker 11: And as we know, it's all part of ur and
45:29
Speaker 11: environment program to fulfill the SDG goals and to promote veganism.
45:36
Speaker 11: So this isn't just about price, It's about control and
45:38
Speaker 11: reshaping the food system. You know, high beef prices, farmer hardship,
45:44
Speaker 11: consumer anxiety, which creates the perfect opening to push solutions
45:48
Speaker 11: aligned with net zero synthetic food economies and vertical integration
45:53
Speaker 11: that's vertical growing. The UK Government has allocated approximately seventy
45:57
Speaker 11: five million towards the development of sustained protein sources including
46:02
Speaker 11: cultivated meat, inset protein, all of that kind of you know,
46:07
Speaker 11: meatless agenda staff and to facilitate the introduction of labrary
46:11
Speaker 11: meat products. The Food Standard Agency has received one point
46:16
Speaker 11: six million to establish efficient safety assessment process for all
46:20
Speaker 11: these novel foods. Meanwhile, Morrisons and other major UK supermarkets
46:25
Speaker 11: have been closing their fresh meat and fish counters. Morrison's
46:30
Speaker 11: announced in March twenty twenty five that they planned to
46:34
Speaker 11: close thirty five meat counters and thirty five fish counters
46:37
Speaker 11: by April.
46:38
Speaker 12: By the end of.
46:38
Speaker 11: April, and already Tesco and Sainsbury's have already closed their
46:43
Speaker 11: fresh fish and meat counters. Well, supermarkets can continue with
46:48
Speaker 11: their meatless agenda and pedal inferior highly processed meat products,
46:53
Speaker 11: I mean fake meat products, but I think it will fail.
46:59
Speaker 12: You know, really is.
47:00
Speaker 11: Time that we moved away from from the supermarkets. You know,
47:03
Speaker 11: we know that yes, farmers are under pressure, but the
47:07
Speaker 11: future del depends on us. Really, it presents a crucial
47:11
Speaker 11: moment for consumers to make informed choices that support the farmers.
47:15
Speaker 11: By prioritizing high welfare and socially locally sourced meat and
47:22
Speaker 11: you know vege can you know all those locally sourced
47:26
Speaker 11: vege and meat products, consumers can help sustain British farmers
47:31
Speaker 11: and rural communities. While the UK beef industry faces significant,
47:36
Speaker 11: significant challenges, it's not doomed. Instead, it's an opportunity for
47:41
Speaker 11: all of us to see it as a sector of transition,
47:45
Speaker 11: you know, requiring the support of conu consumers and so
47:49
Speaker 11: really the answer depends on our collective choices. We have
47:53
Speaker 11: to support our farmers it's in our hands and it's
47:56
Speaker 11: a perfect opportunity for people to rethink the way they
47:59
Speaker 11: buy their food.
48:01
Speaker 1: It certainly is, particularly if the price is getting closer
48:05
Speaker 1: in the supermarkets to good quality food that's available direct
48:09
Speaker 1: from the farms. Thanks Sandy and Charles sticking with food security, then.
48:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, very closely related.
48:18
Speaker 2: But really, as Sandy articulates, the question is what is
48:21
Speaker 2: either the response of the public or indeed government to
48:24
Speaker 2: any of this. And this concerns what's being referred to
48:26
Speaker 2: as a wheat strike, the farmers encouraged by the Farming
48:31
Speaker 2: Forum to withhold wheat supplies from flour millers, which has
48:37
Speaker 2: been described as being likely to give rise to a
48:42
Speaker 2: shortage of bread and other sort of bakery products in
48:47
Speaker 2: the shops, particularly in relation to Easter weekend coming up,
48:50
Speaker 2: and of course hot cross bunds and that kind of thing. Now,
48:53
Speaker 2: I will be playing the ball and not the man,
48:55
Speaker 2: but it does bear relation to think that the person
48:57
Speaker 2: behind this is chap called Clive Bailey, who, as I say,
49:00
Speaker 2: has been managing the Farming Forum, and it was he
49:02
Speaker 2: that was coordinating gatherers and protesters in London back in
49:08
Speaker 2: November twenty four and inviting people to register via a
49:13
Speaker 2: digital platform. Now, it was said at the time that
49:15
Speaker 2: the data was not being held, but nonetheless there seemed
49:18
Speaker 2: to be a few question marks around that. Now, another
49:20
Speaker 2: person who's been involved in this chap called Olli Harrison,
49:23
Speaker 2: just shown there on the tweet and obviously this has
49:28
Speaker 2: been pushed out by some of the sort of the
49:29
Speaker 2: usual channels, So we're just going to have a look
49:31
Speaker 2: at what he himself, Olli Harrison says about the intent
49:35
Speaker 2: behind this. Withholding of wheat, you.
49:39
Speaker 13: Might be wandering why bread and hot Cross browns are
49:43
Speaker 13: being short at shops at the moment, and I'll tell
49:44
Speaker 13: you why. Because million wheat is staying on farms farmers
49:49
Speaker 13: that have grow in Millingwe have gone on strike from
49:52
Speaker 13: the first of April. There will not be loading any
49:54
Speaker 13: trucks with a million week and we're probably going to
49:57
Speaker 13: run out flour, which we're resulting run out of hos
49:58
Speaker 13: Cross buns and bread. So if you want to why
50:01
Speaker 13: the shells are empty, get onto your local MP and
50:03
Speaker 13: say you need to help these farmers out. You can't
50:06
Speaker 13: carry on put an amount of business. It's not good. So, yeah,
50:09
Speaker 13: if there's rash and bread and cakes and heart Cross bonds.
50:13
Speaker 13: It's the politician's fault.
50:14
Speaker 3: It's not our fault.
50:15
Speaker 13: We can't carry on along it or we won't be
50:17
Speaker 13: in business.
50:21
Speaker 12: Now.
50:21
Speaker 2: I can't be sure exactly who came up with the
50:23
Speaker 2: idea or indeed what sort of take up there's been
50:25
Speaker 2: from farmers, and what the effect will be either with
50:28
Speaker 2: the millers or with the shelves in shops and supermarkets.
50:32
Speaker 2: But there do seem to have been a number of
50:35
Speaker 2: considerations that have not been taken into account, one of
50:39
Speaker 2: which is the sort of legacy effect of the poor
50:41
Speaker 2: harvest last year, and indeed the effect of the environmental
50:46
Speaker 2: land management schemes that have been introduced by the previous
50:49
Speaker 2: Conservative government and then brought in and indeed changed recently
50:53
Speaker 2: by the Labor government. So we have the Agriculture and
50:55
Speaker 2: Horticulture Development Board here stating that there's likely to be
50:59
Speaker 2: an increase in imports by thirteen percent, which equates to
51:02
Speaker 2: about two point seventy five million tons of.
51:05
Speaker 3: Week this year. So the point there is that in.
51:07
Speaker 2: Actual fact, if it were necessary, it seems possible to
51:11
Speaker 2: imagine that this shortfall in week from UK producers could
51:16
Speaker 2: easily be augmented by imports, which course would entirely nullify
51:21
Speaker 2: any attempt at protests via that. But also, you know
51:25
Speaker 2: worth pointing out this doesn't actually affect the government, not
51:28
Speaker 2: even one bit, but it seems to be indirect response.
51:31
Speaker 2: What he's referring to is the instant withdrawal of the
51:34
Speaker 2: Sustainable Farming Incentive SFI and the inheritance tax changes that
51:40
Speaker 2: were made in the autumn budget. But the point with
51:43
Speaker 2: this is that SFI was not a food growing scheme
51:47
Speaker 2: in the first place. The whole point of it was
51:49
Speaker 2: that it was supposed to take land out of food
51:51
Speaker 2: production in order to supposedly benefit the environment, with the
51:54
Speaker 2: effect that one hundred and sent percent increase in uncropped
51:57
Speaker 2: arable land became an almost immediate content once as the
52:00
Speaker 2: scheme was oversubscribed, which is why it's been stopped. So
52:04
Speaker 2: it's almost as though these people are wanting to have
52:07
Speaker 2: it both ways by complaining about a scheme that's been
52:10
Speaker 2: stopped but also suggesting that food should be withheld. So
52:16
Speaker 2: it really all is leading to the same place, which is,
52:19
Speaker 2: as he quite rightly identifies, a food shortage. Now, the
52:22
Speaker 2: problem with that is that it's an absolute gift to
52:24
Speaker 2: the government because it illustrates that there is an emergency
52:28
Speaker 2: that the government needs to take control of, and that
52:30
Speaker 2: in itself is a problem. Now, the other thing I
52:32
Speaker 2: want to draw attention to is Olly Harrison himself. I've
52:35
Speaker 2: showed this before. His pin tweet on Twitter is reads
52:40
Speaker 2: the number of people who've died from glyf state exposure
52:42
Speaker 2: in forty years zero, number of people died from consuming
52:45
Speaker 2: GMOs in twenty two years zero. It carries on in
52:48
Speaker 2: this vein. The point is that he is very much
52:50
Speaker 2: invested in what's become a traditional and very destructive form
52:54
Speaker 2: of industrial agrichemical farming. Now, I would just like to
52:58
Speaker 2: point out that safety data sheet from Bayer, the manufacturers
53:01
Speaker 2: of Life's Sake, via many of their round up products,
53:04
Speaker 2: runs entirely contrary to what he says, And I think
53:07
Speaker 2: people just really do need to think about this. I've
53:09
Speaker 2: just drawn out a few To humans, it causes serious
53:11
Speaker 2: eye irritation. I mean that, frankly, the least of your worries.
53:15
Speaker 2: It's toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects. It's
53:18
Speaker 2: toxic to honeybees are chief pollinators. And it talks about
53:22
Speaker 2: avoiding risks to human health and the environment. So this
53:26
Speaker 2: is not a good thing to be splashing about the place.
53:29
Speaker 2: And if you consider that it is applied very liberally
53:32
Speaker 2: to crops, and indeed to exactly the sort of he's
53:35
Speaker 2: pointing out that's going to flower, Miller's how is your
53:38
Speaker 2: body supposed to cope with that? First of all, it's
53:41
Speaker 2: coated in a highly toxic chemical. But secondly, that is
53:44
Speaker 2: a chemical that the crop itself is able to withstand
53:47
Speaker 2: because of various processes via either hybridization or gene editing
53:52
Speaker 2: that it's undergone. So I think that's in relation to
53:55
Speaker 2: human health, that is something that people really do need
53:57
Speaker 2: to consider on that score. The government have just reinforced
54:03
Speaker 2: the point that they made a change to the law
54:05
Speaker 2: in November. This is to do with birth defects, which
54:08
Speaker 2: they say are going to be prevented by fortifying flower
54:10
Speaker 2: with folic acid. Now the drama with folic acid. They
54:14
Speaker 2: say here that they're going to fortify bread with it,
54:16
Speaker 2: reducing neural tube defects by twenty percent in the UK.
54:20
Speaker 2: How on earth can they know that, the answer, of
54:23
Speaker 2: course is they can't. The NHS here saying about folic acid.
54:26
Speaker 2: Polic acid is available on prescription. Your doctor will explain
54:30
Speaker 2: how often to take it. Exactly like fluoride, it is
54:33
Speaker 2: a medication. It therefore requires a dosage that is appropriate
54:36
Speaker 2: to the person taking it. So to apply it liberally
54:40
Speaker 2: or in whatever quantity to a bread that you cannot
54:43
Speaker 2: regulate the consumption of is reckless in the extreme, and
54:47
Speaker 2: people should be made very very aware of that. So
54:50
Speaker 2: we've got glate and folic acid coming together. Also, to
54:54
Speaker 2: refer back to the state of emergency, the government may
54:58
Speaker 2: easily extract from this or start to dictate in a
55:01
Speaker 2: way that they might not be doing. Now, I point
55:03
Speaker 2: back to the National Preparedness Commission, which has had specific
55:06
Speaker 2: insight into the idea that there is going to be
55:09
Speaker 2: a food security. Of course, we should bear in mind
55:11
Speaker 2: that food security is really a completely nebolous concept anyway
55:14
Speaker 2: in terms of national self sustainability, because we have had
55:19
Speaker 2: not really more than about fifty percent capability for a
55:23
Speaker 2: long long time, certainly one hundred percent capability since the
55:27
Speaker 2: eighteenth century. So this is sort of slightly arbitrary debating. Now,
55:34
Speaker 2: I would just like you to draw your attention in
55:36
Speaker 2: closing to a couple of things. First of all, I've
55:38
Speaker 2: written an article that's been on the UK column website
55:40
Speaker 2: for a little while, but suggesting really that the chief
55:43
Speaker 2: target here is supernational. This is exactly what Sandy has
55:47
Speaker 2: been talking about. This is the sustainable development goals of
55:49
Speaker 2: the United Nations and so much else besides, but also
55:52
Speaker 2: the specter of climate change and of course the nonsense
55:56
Speaker 2: that's behind that. And also please go to the farming
55:59
Speaker 2: section on the u K COLMN website where us so
56:01
Speaker 2: much more about all of this sort of thing.
56:05
Speaker 1: Thank you, Charles Vanessa. Let's finish off with you then,
56:09
Speaker 1: and more on the Trump and net and Yahoo meeting.
56:13
Speaker 1: Don't worry about the time, just take your time and
56:15
Speaker 1: do it.
56:18
Speaker 6: Yes, it's so interesting that the Economist has actually just
56:23
Speaker 6: very recently published an article talking about Turkey and Israel
56:28
Speaker 6: are becoming deadly rivals in Syria. Of course we've been
56:32
Speaker 6: talking about that at the UK Column for some time now,
56:34
Speaker 6: a few months now. How the Economist frames it, it's
56:38
Speaker 6: very much that Israel fears that Hamas will end up
56:42
Speaker 6: in Syria and under the umbrella of Turkey. Turkey fears
56:48
Speaker 6: the relationship between Israel and the Kurdish factions in the
56:53
Speaker 6: northeast of Syria. But both of them are united over
56:56
Speaker 6: the common ground of keeping Iran anywhere influence out of
57:02
Speaker 6: the region. Now, nata Yahoo has been lobbying the US,
57:06
Speaker 6: in particular Marco Rubio, who's known to be one of
57:10
Speaker 6: the most ardent Prosionists in the administration, although the entire administration,
57:15
Speaker 6: I would argue, is pro Israel prosionist.
57:18
Speaker 4: So he's been regularly calling Rubio to tell.
57:22
Speaker 6: Him to cancel the sales of F thirty fives to Turkey.
57:28
Speaker 6: And I just want to roll this again the section
57:31
Speaker 6: of the press conference between Natanyahu and Trump where Trump
57:39
Speaker 6: covers the Turkey issue.
57:41
Speaker 4: So let's have a look at this.
57:45
Speaker 9: And I told the Prime Minister, I said, just maybe
57:50
Speaker 9: if you have.
57:50
Speaker 14: A problem with Turkey, I really think I'm going to
57:52
Speaker 14: be able to work it out. You know, I have
57:54
Speaker 14: a very very good relationship with Turkey, with their leader,
57:59
Speaker 14: and I think we'll be able to work it out.
58:01
Speaker 14: So I hope that's not going to be a problem.
58:02
Speaker 14: I don't think it will be a problem. Now, with
58:05
Speaker 14: that being said, I believe it was Turkey. And I
58:06
Speaker 14: said that to him. I said it. I said to congratulations,
58:12
Speaker 14: You've done what nobody has been able to do in
58:14
Speaker 14: two thousand years. You've taken over Syria with different names,
58:18
Speaker 14: but same thing. I said, you've taken it over. He's
58:21
Speaker 14: taken it over through surrogates. He goes, no, no, no, no, no, no,
58:25
Speaker 14: it was not me. I said it was you. But
58:28
Speaker 14: that's okay, you don't have to say, well, sort of
58:30
Speaker 14: maybe was me. But what he did, he said, Look,
58:33
Speaker 14: he's a tough guy and he's very smart, and he
58:37
Speaker 14: did something that nobody was able to do. You know,
58:39
Speaker 14: you got to hit it up. Any problem that you
58:43
Speaker 14: have with Turkey, I think I can solve.
58:48
Speaker 6: Now. What's interesting here is that Trump is actually laying
58:52
Speaker 6: the blame for the international crew that finally toppled the
58:56
Speaker 6: Syrian government after fourteen years of regime change, which was
59:01
Speaker 6: backed by the US, the UK, the EU, the Gulf States, Israel,
59:06
Speaker 6: and suddenly it all becomes Turkey's problem.
59:09
Speaker 4: That's one aspect of this.
59:11
Speaker 6: The other thing, of course, is that Trump is pushing
59:13
Speaker 6: for deconfliction. In other words, I think what he's pushing
59:16
Speaker 6: for because his attitude towards Israel, in my opinion, would
59:22
Speaker 6: be favorable to that of his attitude towards Turkey, even
59:25
Speaker 6: though Turkey is a nati Member State. And what's interesting
59:29
Speaker 6: is the slight change in rhetoric from Turkey not since
59:33
Speaker 6: the meeting, but just leading up to that meeting. And
59:36
Speaker 6: of course we can assume that there were back channel
59:39
Speaker 6: conversations going on with Turkey.
59:41
Speaker 4: So let's have a look at what.
59:45
Speaker 6: Mister Fidan, the Turkish Foreign Minister, has said.
59:49
Speaker 4: So he's basically.
59:50
Speaker 15: Saying the bottom section.
1:00:04
Speaker 1: One by one, all these capabilities that the new State
1:00:08
Speaker 1: can use against ISIS and other terrorist threats.
1:00:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:00:13
Speaker 6: So basically, of course, what they're referring to is Israel's
1:00:17
Speaker 6: bombing of the t For airport and Palmira and also
1:00:21
Speaker 6: Hamar to the south of lab So they're basically making
1:00:25
Speaker 6: the claim that they're only installing air defense and military
1:00:29
Speaker 6: capabilities for Jiolani's government in Damascus in order to combat ISIS. Well,
1:00:35
Speaker 6: I mean, where if we heard that one before and
1:00:39
Speaker 6: he says it again here basically, sorry, Mike, you can
1:00:42
Speaker 6: just read that for me again, I'd really appreciate it.
1:00:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it says so basically, what Israel is doing in
1:00:47
Speaker 1: Syria is not only threatening the security of Syria but
1:00:50
Speaker 1: also giving the way for future instability of the region.
1:00:54
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's good for Israel's future in
1:00:57
Speaker 1: the region.
1:00:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, So again we have here Turkey using the combating
1:01:04
Speaker 6: ISIS card, which again was used for years by the West,
1:01:09
Speaker 6: while of course ISIS is a proxy of the West
1:01:12
Speaker 6: inside Syria. So now Turkey and Israel mull a deconfliction
1:01:17
Speaker 6: line in Syria. So again this is post the Trump
1:01:22
Speaker 6: press conference. So Trump is clearly, in my opinion, putting
1:01:26
Speaker 6: pressure on Turkey to back down and basically retreat behind
1:01:30
Speaker 6: in a greed line which doesn't appear to yet have
1:01:33
Speaker 6: been finalized.
1:01:35
Speaker 4: But I just wanted to show here why this area.
1:01:39
Speaker 8: In particular is so important.
1:01:41
Speaker 6: So I've put in a circle there basically the area
1:01:44
Speaker 6: that Israel has been intensively bombing that Turkey was planning
1:01:48
Speaker 6: to move forward with air defense and military capability in
1:01:53
Speaker 6: order to allegedly combat ISIS.
1:01:57
Speaker 4: But look how close that entire circle.
1:01:59
Speaker 6: Of military basis is to the potential of Israel's expansion
1:02:04
Speaker 6: up that eastern corridor. So the last thing that Israel
1:02:08
Speaker 6: wants is a Turkish expansionism into that central Syrian area.
1:02:14
Speaker 6: And of course, again just to remind everybody, Israel is
1:02:17
Speaker 6: looking to partition Syria. Turkey is looking to maintain a
1:02:23
Speaker 6: so called unified Syria under Turkish control. And one interesting
1:02:29
Speaker 6: point that I just wanted to make This actually came
1:02:31
Speaker 6: out in Newsweek and it's talking about Syria's new resistance.
1:02:36
Speaker 6: There are a number of resistance factions forming in Syria
1:02:40
Speaker 6: since the international coup in December last year.
1:02:43
Speaker 4: But this is a fairly.
1:02:44
Speaker 6: Interesting and in depth article on the formation of what
1:02:48
Speaker 6: is known as Bulli Albas, which is effectively claiming to
1:02:53
Speaker 6: represent a segment of the population in southern.
1:02:56
Speaker 4: Syria to combat Israeli.
1:02:59
Speaker 6: Expansion in the south of Syria, which of course has
1:03:03
Speaker 6: been ongoing since December the eighth. So again interesting regional developments,
1:03:09
Speaker 6: but the potential for conflict to some degree between Techi
1:03:13
Speaker 6: and Israel is definitely still there with the US Trump
1:03:16
Speaker 6: showing that he wants to act as arbiter in that
1:03:20
Speaker 6: potential confrontation.
1:03:23
Speaker 1: Brilliant. Thank you for that. Well, we've got to leave
1:03:25
Speaker 1: it there for today. I would say thank you very
1:03:27
Speaker 1: much to Vanessa, Charles and Sandy for joining me today.
1:03:30
Speaker 1: Thank you all for watching. We'll be back in a
1:03:33
Speaker 1: few minutes for UK column News Extra. If you're a
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1:03:39
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1:03:44
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1:03:47
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