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Credlin | 26 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up on the program this evening. Another day of unofficial campaigning.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister visiting a Victorian seat make you very
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Speaker 2: clear that Labour's worried and spending billions to sandbag seats
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Speaker 2: that should be safe plasters throwing political mud around change votes.
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Speaker 2: Have Labor got a boost out of the recent rate cut?
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Speaker 2: Expert Polster Coosamaris coming up in Sydney. One of the
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Speaker 2: Bankstown nurses accused of threatening to kill Israeli patients has
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Speaker 2: now been charged. Last and other court challenge today by
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Speaker 2: yet more foreign criminals resisting removal to NARU as a
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Speaker 2: convicted murderer and a known violent criminal head to court
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Speaker 2: accusations of the Prime Minister has misled the public over
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Speaker 2: live fire drills from Chinese warships off our eastern coastline.
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Speaker 2: The timeline as the Prime Minister presents it complete, doesn't
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Speaker 2: stack up and it reiterates his weakness in the face
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Speaker 2: of Beijing. The Peter Darton return serve as Labor persists
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Speaker 2: with its attempts to smear the Opposition leader.
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Speaker 3: I've said my piece, and that is that I've only
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Speaker 3: ever acted with integrity. If the Prime Minister has a
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Speaker 3: claim to make, why doesn't he get up and make it.
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Speaker 3: Because he's weak, he's out of his depth as prime minister.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment too, But first,
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Speaker 2: the desperation of a government that doesn't deserve to win
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Speaker 2: an election now extends to politicizing the public service. In
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Speaker 2: the last few days we've seen the government's dirt unit
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Speaker 2: try and smear Peter Dutton of a fanciful insider trading
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Speaker 2: claims dating back a decade and a half. But that
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Speaker 2: didn't stop one of the mean girls, Finance Minister Katie Gallagher,
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Speaker 2: kicking it along in cet and estimates.
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Speaker 4: You know, we have questions, question Rubby minister, you're better
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Speaker 4: than that.
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Speaker 2: Apparently it was just a coeen incidents.
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Speaker 5: Was it that there was a lot of shares purchase
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Speaker 5: the day before a bank outside this training on.
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Speaker 2: Then there's the Sustained Labor Lives accusing Dutton of cutting
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Speaker 2: Medicare when in fact health spending went up knocked down
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Speaker 2: under Dutton, and Bolk building rates were much much higher
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Speaker 2: under Dutton than they are now. Under alban Easy. Now
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Speaker 2: I've also learned the Treasury did a costing of the
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Speaker 2: Coalition small business policy that was both against the Public
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Speaker 2: service rules and also a pretty shoddy piece of unprofessional work.
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Speaker 2: But he who cares about the rules when it gives
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Speaker 2: the government a day of fun in the theater of
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Speaker 2: question time.
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Speaker 6: It's a workers should pay for some of their mates
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Speaker 6: to have lunch.
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Speaker 7: All we've got from them is lower wages for workers
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Speaker 7: and longer lunches for bosses. He wants workers to pay
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Speaker 7: for bosses lunches between one point six billion and ten
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Speaker 7: billion to shout their bosses lunch. We've done that work
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Speaker 7: for them. The policy that they are trying to inflict
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Speaker 7: on the Australian people would have workers shout lunches for
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Speaker 7: their bosses and would smash a ten billion dollar hole
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Speaker 7: up to in the budget as a consequence.
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Speaker 2: Now I know how it works. All that was designed
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Speaker 2: to help them in Newspoll. It didn't. Things have only
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Speaker 2: got worse. But let's go back to January. The Coalition
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Speaker 2: announced a plan to give small businesses a tax deduction
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Speaker 2: for business lunches, with customers capped at twenty thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: per business per year. Now, if a large business does
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Speaker 2: a catered lunch, it's a law firm for customers in
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Speaker 2: a boardroom. Well, that's already a tax deduction under the
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Speaker 2: current rules. So what the Coalition's trying to do here
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Speaker 2: is just level the playing field for businesses that don't
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Speaker 2: run to their own boardrooms. They didn't stop. The government
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Speaker 2: did it, accusing the Coalition of wanting to fund long,
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Speaker 2: boozy lunches, even though the Coalition plan specifically excluded alcohol. Now,
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Speaker 2: what's more, the government said the coalition's policy would cost
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Speaker 2: it least least one point six billion a year, possibly
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Speaker 2: as much, they said as ten billion dollars a year
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Speaker 2: if all the two and a half million small businesses
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Speaker 2: across the country claimed the maximum deduction. Now, this is
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Speaker 2: despite the fact the Coalition had its own costing from
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Speaker 2: officials government officials in the Parliamentary Budget Office that put
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Speaker 2: the cost of the policy at less than two hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty million a year. At the time, the Shadow
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Speaker 2: Treasurer Angus Taylor said the government had politicized the public service.
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Speaker 8: We have a longstanding custom in this country of not
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Speaker 8: politicizing the public service, but it is very clear today
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Speaker 8: the treasurer is intent on doing exactly that.
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Speaker 2: Well, we now find out Taylor was dead right emails
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Speaker 2: coming to light. This is through the Senate estimates process
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Speaker 2: between Treasury officials, specifically referring to the coalition's media release,
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Speaker 2: which proves, as the Coalition argued, these officials were operating
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Speaker 2: outside the rules but deliberately going after opposition policy rather
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Speaker 2: than doing what they're paid to do, and that's implementing
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Speaker 2: government policy, not playing politics as well. Treasury officials specifically
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Speaker 2: warned that their costing had quote low reliability as it
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Speaker 2: was based on quote limited data. It also seems that
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Speaker 2: Treasury's first costing was subsequently revised upwards. Now I'd assume
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Speaker 2: here that's after pressure from labor politicians or staffers to
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Speaker 2: the officials now naturally under questioning and estimates. The Departmental
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Speaker 2: Secretary Stephen Kennedy was stonewalling, even though it's clear he
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Speaker 2: and other officials knew exactly what was happening. They were
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Speaker 2: being asked to cost and opposition policy under the guise
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Speaker 2: of being asked by the government to cost something it
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Speaker 2: said it might introduce later. This is a sad commentary
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Speaker 2: on the decline of the partblic service that's allowed itself
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Speaker 2: to be exploited in this way. It looks like our
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Speaker 2: country doesn't just need a much better government, we also
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Speaker 2: need a much more professional public service. And if the
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Speaker 2: Coalition should win, Treasury Secrety Kennedy has got to be
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Speaker 2: the first to go. Meanwhile, the government's a rational fear
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Speaker 2: campaign against nuclear powers. On this week, modeling was released
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Speaker 2: from the stacked Climate Change Authority claiming that nuclear power
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Speaker 2: would mean higher remissions, even though nuclear power is itself
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Speaker 2: almost entirely emissions free, because waiting for nuclear power stations
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Speaker 2: to be built would mean keeping coal fire power in
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Speaker 2: the system longer, even though state governments like Victoria and
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Speaker 2: New South Wales are also spending millions in taxpayer funds
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Speaker 2: to keep coal fire power stations open longer in order
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Speaker 2: to prevent the blackout we would get because labor is
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Speaker 2: over reliant on it an intermittent wind and solar. Today,
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Speaker 2: the government released the tainted interim report of a labor
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Speaker 2: majority parliamentary committee, the claim that nuclear power would be
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Speaker 2: too expensive and unavailable until the mid twenty forties. Now
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Speaker 2: this is palpable nonsense. How can nuclear power be too
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Speaker 2: expensive when some thirty other countries are already using it,
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Speaker 2: including France, which has about seventy percent of its power
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Speaker 2: from nuclear and which also has lower power prices than
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Speaker 2: we do in Australia. And how can it take over
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Speaker 2: twenty years to open a nuclear plant when the UAE
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Speaker 2: has just installed one double the size of our largest
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Speaker 2: coal fire power plant, that's Arari in New South Wales,
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Speaker 2: and they've done it in under fifteen years from the
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Speaker 2: initial decision to complete the full operation as well, Let's
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Speaker 2: not forget some more modular reactors like nuclear power plants
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Speaker 2: that will have operating in our submarines, that have operated
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Speaker 2: in submarines in the US and elsewhere for more than
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Speaker 2: five decades, or these could be quickly built in a
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Speaker 2: factory and simply trucked onto site. How can even a
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Speaker 2: labor government which claims to be in favor of nuclear
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Speaker 2: power at sea be so paranoid about nuclear power on land? Now,
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Speaker 2: if we really have to get to net zero, the
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Speaker 2: only way to do so and keep the lights on
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Speaker 2: is with nuclear power, and with China increasing their military muscle,
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Speaker 2: and we can see that they're flexing it, aren't they
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Speaker 2: through their warships? Now is not the time to do industrialized,
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Speaker 2: not the time to give up our energy sovereignty. Now
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Speaker 2: the PM might want to bury his head in the
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Speaker 2: sand on this one, but voters, they are waking up
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Speaker 2: and this is part of what's driving votes away from labor.
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Speaker 2: People know they can't afford labors and net zero. That
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Speaker 2: is not a joke. All right, Let's go to Campra
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Speaker 2: now for the headlines guy and his political reporter, Tunning Macintosh.
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Speaker 5: The opposition leader comes out swinging as Labour puts the
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Speaker 5: spotlight on his property and share portfolio.
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Speaker 3: I've only ever acted with integrity.
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Speaker 4: The nine newspapers revealed mister Dutton bought and sold twenty
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Speaker 4: six properties in thirty five years, totaling thirty million dollars
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Speaker 4: worth of transactions.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they've trowled through every transaction of my life
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Speaker 3: and they've come up with the fact that we've bought
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Speaker 3: and sold properties my father and I started with nothing.
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Speaker 8: I guess it also just goes to the point about
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Speaker 8: whether Peter Dutton is actually in touch with what Australians
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Speaker 8: are going through at the moment.
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Speaker 9: I make no comment about Peter Dutton's matters to matter
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Speaker 9: for him.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister has some claim to make. Don't get
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Speaker 3: his luckey's to push it out there, Get up and
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Speaker 3: make the claim yourself.
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Speaker 4: Peter Dutton also pressed on his fifteen year old share
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Speaker 4: trades in big banks out of Labour's global financial crisis bailout.
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Speaker 3: There's no information that I've been privy to that influenced
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Speaker 3: any decision about any share.
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Speaker 5: That i've and I think mister Dutton still has some
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Speaker 5: questions to answer, and Defense has conceded it didn't know
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Speaker 5: about China's live fire exercise until informed by a Virgin pilot.
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Speaker 10: So is it the case that Defense was only notified
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Speaker 10: via Virgin and Air Services Australia twenty eight minutes after
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Speaker 10: the firing window commenced.
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Speaker 3: Yes, the notification was that call that had made from
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Speaker 3: when the firing window opened, and that, in our view,
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Speaker 3: is inadequate notification as.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's not inadequate, it's after it started.
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Speaker 4: It appeared to contradict the Prime Minister's claim last Friday
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Speaker 4: that notice had been given.
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Speaker 3: Frankly, the Prime Minister should stand up and explain what
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Speaker 3: is a very significant.
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Speaker 11: Event cooperating we've been monitoring.
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Speaker 4: Trudy McIntosh, Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into those headlines. Joined now to
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Speaker 2: do that by Sky News host national affairs editor at
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Speaker 2: The Daddy Telegraph James Morrow and our senior reporter Carolyn Marcus.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Let's start. I'll get into the
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Speaker 2: personal attacks on the prime minister with Cos Samarus the
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Speaker 2: poster coming up, because I don't think they're working, and
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Speaker 2: Cos will tell us definitively, but sandbagging seats the prime
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Speaker 2: minister again in Victoria. Now, for many, many federal elections,
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Speaker 2: James Morrow, prime ministers from the labor side didn't really
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Speaker 2: have to come to Victoria. This was safe territory for them.
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Speaker 2: Is here frequently. He's actually in what I would regard
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Speaker 2: as a relatively safe labor seat, the seat of Hawk today.
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Speaker 2: That tells me a lot. And he was pledging more
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Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars. This is to bail out
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Speaker 2: Victoria for transport projects they should have done, like fixing potholes,
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Speaker 2: but also this suburban rail loop. This is interesting because
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Speaker 2: along this new rail line there's only one car park
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Speaker 2: for commuters. So two hundred billion dollars are going to
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Speaker 2: be spent on this train line and there's no way
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Speaker 2: to get there unless you want to walk to catch
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Speaker 2: these trains. And as I said, I think the fact
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Speaker 2: that he's in Hawk says to me Labour know they're
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Speaker 2: really strife in Victoria.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, Peter, I mean this is the same sort
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Speaker 12: of thing that I'm hearing all around New South Wales
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Speaker 12: as well. You know, seats like Weroa and Benelong are
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Speaker 12: all you know, looking very much in jeopardy for labor.
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Speaker 12: But Hawk's an interesting case here because it brings up
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Speaker 12: two interesting points. Number one, the fact that all of
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Speaker 12: us taxpayers, no matter where we live in this country,
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Speaker 12: are going to wind up being stuck with bailouts for
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Speaker 12: Victoria's fiscal profligacy and mismanagement for years to come. That
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Speaker 12: state's economy is going to be a dead anchor on
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Speaker 12: the rest of us for a long time to come.
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Speaker 12: But Hawk is really interesting because in the last election
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Speaker 12: it had a slight swing away from labor. It's still
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Speaker 12: very safe, but there was a lot of flow to
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Speaker 12: one Nation and some other sort of minor parties there,
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Speaker 12: which showed that there was already you know, people were
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Speaker 12: not thrilled with labor. I think that the suburban rail loop,
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Speaker 12: it's a real insult to everybody because of course, you know,
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Speaker 12: what do they think they're going to build high density
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Speaker 12: stuff around these reil stations in outer suburban Melbourne, But
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Speaker 12: that's not going to happen. And I think it just
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Speaker 12: shows how worried Labor is that everywhere. You know, it's
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Speaker 12: been a weak prime ministership, it's been a week premiership
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Speaker 12: and they're seeing these seeds that should be there really
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Speaker 12: slipping away. And I think the warning is that there
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Speaker 12: is no such thing for Labor as a safe seat anymore.
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Speaker 2: On these seats too, and this is the same in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Should be labor people, you know, on paper, they should
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Speaker 2: be labor supporters, but they lost faith with Daniel Andrews.
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Speaker 2: They didn't lose enough faith to lose the seats, but
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Speaker 2: there were certainly big swings in these outer Melbourne areas
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Speaker 2: and I think we'll see that again come the federal election.
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Speaker 2: I think that's what Labour's internal polling is certainly showing them. Caroline.
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Speaker 2: Big news today in relation to these Bankstown nurses. One individual,
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Speaker 2: Sarah Abu Lebda, now has been charged. What can you
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Speaker 2: tell us.
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Speaker 13: Well, Peter, the twenty six year old nurse was arrested
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Speaker 13: last night after she turned up to a police station
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Speaker 13: in South Sydney and investigators have charged her with three
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Speaker 13: Commonwealth offenses threatened violence to a group, using a carriage
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Speaker 13: service to threatened to kill, and using a carriage service
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Speaker 13: to menace, harass or offend. The New south West Police
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Speaker 13: Commissioner Karen Webb also revealed that the cops had received
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Speaker 13: legal advice only yesterday from the Commonwealth Director of Public
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Speaker 13: Prosecutions that allowed them to proceed with these charges, and
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Speaker 13: she said the case involved jurisdictional challenges. The influencer who
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Speaker 13: filmed the video featuring these nurses is in Israel, while
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Speaker 13: the nurses are of course based here in Sydney, and
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Speaker 13: that may explain the delay in police laying these charges now.
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Speaker 13: In the footage, Miss Abu Lebde is heard telling the
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Speaker 13: Israeli influencer you will die the most horrible death, and
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Speaker 13: she also says that if an Israeli patient turned up
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Speaker 13: at the hospital, she won't treat them, she would kill them.
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Speaker 13: She was granted bail to appear in local court that
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Speaker 13: will be in three weeks time, and her co worker
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Speaker 13: Ahmad Nadeir, who's also in that video, he remains under
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Speaker 13: police investigation. He's not yet been charged.
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Speaker 2: All right, I won't ask any more questions on and
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Speaker 2: this is before the courts and I don't want to
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Speaker 2: do anything to jeopardize the full weight of the law
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Speaker 2: being felt on these individuals. Let's go to ASIO. The
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Speaker 2: director general there, Mike Burgess, has told a Senate committee
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Speaker 2: that the rise in antisemitism in Australia is now the
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Speaker 2: top spies biggest concern. Have a listen.
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Speaker 10: What it's your assessment about the increase in the level
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Speaker 10: of antisemitism right now?
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Speaker 14: In terms of my organization, our threats have faced, threats
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Speaker 14: to life, threats to way of life. In terms of
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Speaker 14: threats to life, it's my agency's number one priority because
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Speaker 14: of the weight of incidents we're seeing play out in
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Speaker 14: this country.
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Speaker 10: Well, when would you have ever said before that a
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Speaker 10: form of racism was the number one concern for RASIO.
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Speaker 14: I don't believe we've done that in a history.
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Speaker 2: And look just on this the video has emerged of
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Speaker 2: dozens and dozens of school children chanting akbar outside of
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Speaker 2: Sydney Public School in protest of their support officer. This
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Speaker 2: is Sheik Wessam Chakawi, who was ordered by the new
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Speaker 2: South Wales Education Department to work from home after he
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Speaker 2: defended the two nurses in an Instagram post. Have a listen, James,
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Speaker 2: this is shocking, Peter.
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Speaker 12: I mean it's like, how do you watch that and
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Speaker 12: not think, are we you know, in the Middle East somewhere.
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Speaker 12: That is just shocking vision there. It shows I heard
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Speaker 12: some commentators on you know, the radio earlier today and
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Speaker 12: they were saying, oh, well, you know, it really shows
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Speaker 12: you've got to keep politics out of the schools. I
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Speaker 12: think that's completely the wrong point here. I think the
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Speaker 12: real point here is that we have communities in our
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Speaker 12: western suburbs in Sydney, and I think you do in
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Speaker 12: Melbourne and in other cities as well, where there is
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Speaker 12: basically no integration with wider Australia. There's no assimilation with
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Speaker 12: Australian culture, where these sorts of you know, grievances and
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Speaker 12: political grievances and religious grievances are brought here, lovestock and barrel.
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Speaker 12: They are nurtured here. No one here seems say, hey,
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Speaker 12: you know what, like you're here, we don't do this here.
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Speaker 12: We don't you know, support people who support people like
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Speaker 12: this here, we don't do all these sorts of things here,
17:38
Speaker 12: and we certainly don't go storm out of class screaming
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Speaker 12: a lot who actpar this is. This is not I
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Speaker 12: think the multicultural Australia that we want to live in.
17:48
Speaker 12: And I think that it comes from a real failure
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Speaker 12: of all sides to think about, you know, what our
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Speaker 12: immigration policy looks like, but also what our policy looks
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Speaker 12: like once migrants get here in terms of turning them
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Speaker 12: into Australians. And I think we need to have some
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Speaker 12: really hard discussions about this. We've seen what happened in Europe.
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Speaker 12: We do, We've seen other countries where they haven't dealt
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Speaker 12: with this. We need to get on this now, James.
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Speaker 2: This is the topic I've written about for my Australian
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Speaker 2: column tomorrow, and I make the point we're happy to
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Speaker 2: talk about the volume of our migrant population coming in
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Speaker 2: and the pace, the speed at which our intake is
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Speaker 2: we're very reluctant to talk about the composition. And as
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Speaker 2: I and Herciali said to me in London, she thinks
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Speaker 2: multiculturalism is dead. And that's pretty much the theme of
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Speaker 2: my column tomorrow. Let's just go just on this point
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Speaker 2: about you know, political parties giving them cover, and I'd argue, Caroline,
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Speaker 2: we certainly have seen that with the Greens. Listen to
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Speaker 2: this Labor in the WA election, for all the posturing
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Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister. Have a look at what I
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Speaker 2: came across in relation to the Labor candidate Frank Paulino.
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Speaker 2: This is in the state WA seed of Mount Lawley.
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Speaker 2: Look at that brochure. You will see that Labor is
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Speaker 2: preferencing the Greens. The first preference there goes to Lucy
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Speaker 2: Nickel from the Greens. Now I understand, Caroline, this area
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Speaker 2: in Wa has a large Jewish community. So what does
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Speaker 2: this say to you.
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Speaker 13: Well, it says to me that the Labor Party is
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Speaker 13: not serious about confronting the scourge of anti Semitism. It
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Speaker 13: says to me that it doesn't take their Jewish voters seriously.
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Speaker 13: And it says to me that a lot of the
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Speaker 13: tough words that we've heard that have struck us as
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Speaker 13: really just words, has no real meaning behind it, because
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Speaker 13: not only have we seen federal Labor try to talk
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Speaker 13: tough on anti semitism. Finally, and yet Anthony Albanizi has
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Speaker 13: repeatedly refused to rule out preferencing the Greens and doing
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Speaker 13: any deals with the Greens to form government. Now we're
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Speaker 13: saying it at a state level too, and in Perth
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Speaker 13: in the past few week they've seen a shocking number
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Speaker 13: of anti Semitic attacks in which property has been vandalized
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Speaker 13: with swastikas, with f Jews and other derogatory terms. We
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Speaker 13: even saw this labor candidate, this MP come out and
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Speaker 13: say that those attacks won't stop me from standing up
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Speaker 13: for all members of my community, including the Jewish community.
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Speaker 13: And that was only three weeks ago that he made
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Speaker 13: those comments. So how are people expected to believe those
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Speaker 13: words when he preferences and puts number two on his
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Speaker 13: how to vote the Greens candidate Lucy Nickel. I don't
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Speaker 13: know much about her personally and her comments, but certainly
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Speaker 13: the party of the Greens at a federal level at
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Speaker 13: it suddenly at a state level in New South Wales
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Speaker 13: and around the country has been at the forefront of
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Speaker 13: this extremist rhetoric of supporting these protests which anti Semitic
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Speaker 13: chances had been have been added. So if he puts
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Speaker 13: her at number two, he can't really be serious about
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Speaker 13: supporting Jewish voters.
21:08
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Foreign detainee's issue because it's not
21:11
Speaker 2: going away for the government. Tony Burke was planning to
21:14
Speaker 2: send three of the nz YQ detainees. These are foreign
21:18
Speaker 2: criminals or a mind everyone off to Naru. Well that's
21:21
Speaker 2: been derailed. One of them has taken him to the
21:23
Speaker 2: High Court. Another now a federal has gone to the
21:26
Speaker 2: Federal Court. This is a convicted murderer and as well
21:29
Speaker 2: a known violent offender. They were all due to be
21:33
Speaker 2: deported on Monday. Now an Iraqi man was convicted of
21:36
Speaker 2: aggravated kidnapping. That's what I mentioned in relation to the
21:39
Speaker 2: High Court James. Last night, when I spoke to Sedata Patterson,
21:43
Speaker 2: he made the point he's pursued this in said and
21:46
Speaker 2: estimates the government has still not used those special powers
21:51
Speaker 2: they ran through the Parliament in December twenty twenty three.
21:56
Speaker 2: We're now almost March twenty twenty five. Like, throw the
22:00
Speaker 2: hands in the aid. I said, I can't do anything
22:02
Speaker 2: about these violent criminals. They're not even trying.
22:08
Speaker 12: Well, you know that's the thing, Peter, that's this is
22:10
Speaker 12: the weakness of this government, you know, on every single issue.
22:14
Speaker 12: As you say, they created the tools, they made a
22:17
Speaker 12: huge song and dance in the Parliament. You know, they
22:18
Speaker 12: got it thrown a bipartisan basis and all of that,
22:21
Speaker 12: and they said, hey, we're going to be harry tested
22:23
Speaker 12: and tough on all these refugees, and you know, no
22:26
Speaker 12: one believed it. Then. I think we both said on
22:29
Speaker 12: this program, I don't believe that they're ever going to
22:31
Speaker 12: be tough on these characters. And you said, no, I
22:33
Speaker 12: don't think so well either, And of course you know,
22:35
Speaker 12: here we are two years later, and yeah, guess what's surprise, No,
22:38
Speaker 12: they have not done anything about it. But there's got
22:40
Speaker 12: to be a bigger question here too about the rights
22:43
Speaker 12: of appeals that we let people who shouldn't be in
22:46
Speaker 12: this country have to stay in this country. There's ninety
22:49
Speaker 12: one thousand people who are waiting deportation who have exhausted
22:52
Speaker 12: all their appeals and we can't get rid of them either.
22:54
Speaker 12: So I mean there's a much bigger problem we have
22:56
Speaker 12: here beyond you know, these horrible characters involved with these case.
23:02
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has flagged constitutional change if he becomes PM.
23:05
Speaker 2: He says that's got to be on the table to
23:07
Speaker 2: consider it. I think he's probably right, Thank you both. Right,
23:10
Speaker 2: let's go down to Labour's spear campaign Day two with
23:13
Speaker 2: that spear campaign against Peter Dutton yesterday, as I said
23:16
Speaker 2: all about shares he bought sixteen years ago, properly declared,
23:20
Speaker 2: I might add during the GFC, and I made the
23:23
Speaker 2: point at the time I was the Secretary to Shadow Cabinet,
23:27
Speaker 2: there was no special briefing from Treasury officials about what
23:30
Speaker 2: the government was going to do or what was happening
23:33
Speaker 2: in relation to the GFC provided to Shadow Cabinet or
23:36
Speaker 2: to my knowledge ever provided to Peter Dutton. So I
23:38
Speaker 2: don't know how he's supposed to be an insider in
23:40
Speaker 2: terms of insider trading today, though more smears regarding his
23:44
Speaker 2: properties bought in the past. Why they would do it
23:48
Speaker 2: is beyond me because we know the Prime Minister and
23:50
Speaker 2: his clip top mansion hasn't helped him the PM, though
23:54
Speaker 2: he pretended this was nothing to do with him, but
23:56
Speaker 2: he sends out his attack dogs to make some noise.
24:00
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton and his colleagues had a fair bit to
24:01
Speaker 8: say about the Prime Minister buying one house last year.
24:05
Speaker 8: We'll see what he's got to say about the twenty
24:07
Speaker 8: six homes that he's bought and sold over the last
24:10
Speaker 8: couple of decades, some of which he hasn't declared.
24:13
Speaker 9: I make no comment about Peter Dutton's matters. That's the
24:18
Speaker 9: matter for him.
24:19
Speaker 3: Prime Minister has some claim to make. Don't get his
24:22
Speaker 3: lucky's to push it out there. Get up and make
24:25
Speaker 3: the claim yourself.
24:27
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about this the campaign more broadly.
24:30
Speaker 2: Expert director at Redbridge cos Samaras Cosse, thank you for
24:34
Speaker 2: your time in terms of this sort of stuff. These
24:38
Speaker 2: smear campaigns, personal attacks cutting through with voters, what do
24:44
Speaker 2: you think of them these days? In politics?
24:47
Speaker 11: Doesn't cut through?
24:48
Speaker 15: But we've been doing groups now in out of somebodys
24:52
Speaker 15: in Melbourne, Sydney for the last couple of weeks specifically
24:55
Speaker 15: talking about the federal election and not really picking up
24:58
Speaker 15: all that much. But I would say that the brainiacts
25:03
Speaker 15: who actually thought up this attack on Dalton probably don't
25:06
Speaker 15: have not thought.
25:06
Speaker 11: Through the consequences of what they've actually just done.
25:09
Speaker 15: They've just brought to the surface again a discussion point
25:13
Speaker 15: around why our political class are living a life that
25:17
Speaker 15: is completely separated from the average voter, That includes the
25:21
Speaker 15: Prime minister. So, just in case people have forgotten about
25:24
Speaker 15: the mansion, they've just basically provided a news cycle.
25:28
Speaker 11: It's reminded about it. It's crazy.
25:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just given me a reason to remind people
25:34
Speaker 2: about his cliff top mansion. If he wants to have
25:36
Speaker 2: a war on aspiration, and good on the PM for
25:39
Speaker 2: being able to afford that house. I just think it's
25:41
Speaker 2: done politics right now. But good on him. I believe
25:44
Speaker 2: in aspiration, but if you're can have a war on aspiration,
25:48
Speaker 2: it goes both ways, that's right.
25:50
Speaker 15: And the other thing that the strains really really hate
25:53
Speaker 15: right now is exactly this from mud at each other.
25:57
Speaker 11: No vision.
25:58
Speaker 15: Yes, there's been some policy the announcements, which people would
26:01
Speaker 15: say are welcomed, but they all basically make it very
26:04
Speaker 15: clear that they think that these are not silver bullets
26:07
Speaker 15: to fixing the problems, and so they were still waiting
26:10
Speaker 15: to see what the two major parties have got to
26:12
Speaker 15: offer that they think are going to fix their problems.
26:16
Speaker 2: All right, let's just talk about some of those announcements.
26:18
Speaker 2: I'll get to many scare in a moment, but just
26:21
Speaker 2: on the medicare announcements from the PM matched by the coalition,
26:25
Speaker 2: many billions being spent. Has that shifted votes to labor?
26:31
Speaker 15: Not really I mean, I think again, as I've stated,
26:33
Speaker 15: I think on your show before that the Labor campaigns
26:37
Speaker 15: really focused on their base. They know they're going to
26:40
Speaker 15: they're going into minority and they need to basically hold
26:44
Speaker 15: as many seats as possible to ensure that Alberanizi has
26:48
Speaker 15: the first move or advantage when negotiating with a cross bench.
26:51
Speaker 15: So this campaign is pitched towards their base. Because when
26:54
Speaker 15: we speak to again those same voters that I reckonced before,
26:59
Speaker 15: there is response is yeah, I don't think that's going
27:02
Speaker 15: to scratch the sides or it's welcomed, but you know,
27:05
Speaker 15: the problems out there are massive.
27:07
Speaker 11: I've got to wait for five weeks.
27:08
Speaker 15: Before I then get to see a GP even then
27:11
Speaker 15: if they bok the or they don't. And so it's
27:15
Speaker 15: the waiting lists that are in place that it's forcing
27:20
Speaker 15: a lot of Australians to actually take our private health
27:22
Speaker 15: insurance when they don't need to, and also go to
27:26
Speaker 15: the emergency department when they should not.
27:31
Speaker 2: Medicare medi Scare two point zero. Will that work?
27:34
Speaker 15: Again, It's pretty hard scaring people about a system that
27:39
Speaker 15: they think is broken. So you know, Labor can come
27:43
Speaker 15: out there and say look, you know it's going to
27:44
Speaker 15: be worse than the Peter Dutton. Well, most Australians, particularly
27:48
Speaker 15: those living in the outer suburbs and regions where this
27:51
Speaker 15: election is going to be decided, will tell you that.
27:53
Speaker 11: Now I think Medicare is broken.
27:58
Speaker 15: The last time I was able to easily get myself
28:00
Speaker 15: a booking with a GP and BO bill was.
28:02
Speaker 11: About four or five years ago. Three years ago.
28:07
Speaker 15: It just does not match lived experience and so there's
28:10
Speaker 15: nothing to scare them about because they were living the
28:12
Speaker 15: night meat.
28:15
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the out of Subebs. I
28:17
Speaker 2: make the point, you know, I only know one person
28:19
Speaker 2: in my immediate family and friend group who lives in
28:22
Speaker 2: the inner city. Everybody I know lives in the commuter
28:25
Speaker 2: belts of Melbourne or regional Victoria, and these are absolutely
28:30
Speaker 2: in play. I mean, this is where the election will
28:32
Speaker 2: be one or lost in Victoria and New South Wales.
28:34
Speaker 2: You and I talk about this. Interesting to see the
28:37
Speaker 2: PM out in Sunbury. This is the seat of Hawk.
28:41
Speaker 2: It's notionally safe labor It's a seven point six percent seat.
28:46
Speaker 2: It says a lot to me that Labour's are there,
28:48
Speaker 2: that the PM's repeatedly in Victoria, and people on both
28:52
Speaker 2: sides are telling me places like Hawk are absolutely in play.
28:57
Speaker 11: Yeah, We've got some data coming out through News Call
29:00
Speaker 11: on the weekend.
29:00
Speaker 15: That probably will put some more apply, some more evidence
29:05
Speaker 15: to what you're talking about, and that is the election
29:08
Speaker 15: is going to be determined.
29:09
Speaker 11: The news of wells in Victoria and Victoria is a
29:11
Speaker 11: big problem for the Labor Party.
29:13
Speaker 15: The brand Labor brand, both at a state and federal
29:17
Speaker 15: level in Victoria is in the toilet and the swings
29:20
Speaker 15: are going to be significant. Now, the question is how
29:22
Speaker 15: many seats is that going going to cost Albanezi. We
29:25
Speaker 15: don't know yet. I'm pretty confident to lose seats in Victoria.
29:28
Speaker 15: I'm not sure how many.
29:32
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the teals. There are some reports
29:34
Speaker 2: out today so say that said Allegra spend in particular
29:38
Speaker 2: on track to hold the seed of Wentworth. I think
29:41
Speaker 2: that's probably pretty accurate. I was over in Curtain not
29:44
Speaker 2: so long ago. This is in wa one point three
29:46
Speaker 2: percent there. My sense of it is that seat's absolutely
29:49
Speaker 2: likely to go liberal if it keeps moving the way
29:52
Speaker 2: it's moving. It's a bit of a mixed bag across
29:54
Speaker 2: the board though, with the others. How do you see
29:56
Speaker 2: the teals playing out?
29:59
Speaker 10: Ye?
30:00
Speaker 15: Right, So we'll go to perfin curtain as federal set
30:03
Speaker 15: of curtain. Cheney had the lowest primary out of all
30:08
Speaker 15: the independent tills that in twenty twenty two. Again, you know, yes,
30:14
Speaker 15: if we wire to pick a seat which is going
30:16
Speaker 15: to go back to the Coalition, it will be that seat.
30:18
Speaker 15: There's obviously also Goldstein in Victoria. Again, that Middle Eastern
30:23
Speaker 15: conflict is playing into this election in many many ways,
30:27
Speaker 15: not just with the Greeds but also with the Independence.
30:31
Speaker 15: So that Jewish community, we know, even progressive Jewish Australians
30:34
Speaker 15: in that seat of choosing to vote for the Liberal Party.
30:38
Speaker 15: So again that may have an impact. So I think
30:40
Speaker 15: that we'll see possibly at most two seats lost back
30:44
Speaker 15: to the coalition.
30:45
Speaker 11: And then of course then does.
30:48
Speaker 15: Do the Independence win a seat like Bradfield, So that
30:51
Speaker 15: we don't know yet, but that's again we probably see
30:53
Speaker 15: the exchange of seats here and there, but on the
30:55
Speaker 15: edges nothing quite substantial.
30:57
Speaker 2: Though, I just quickly I want to touch on this
31:01
Speaker 2: before we go. We say, you know, young women don't
31:04
Speaker 2: vote for the center right side of politics. That's not
31:07
Speaker 2: the case in Germany certainly wasn't the case in the
31:09
Speaker 2: United States, but there were some really interesting stats coming
31:12
Speaker 2: out of the election race in Germany talk us through
31:15
Speaker 2: particularly the demographics on young people.
31:18
Speaker 15: Absolutely, it's a misconception to say that young women are
31:21
Speaker 15: not only going to vote for the parties of the
31:24
Speaker 15: left if they're living in certain parts of whether it's
31:27
Speaker 15: in Europe, whether it's in this country or in the US.
31:30
Speaker 15: So professional women in this country, for example, in the
31:33
Speaker 15: inner parts of Albourne and Sydney, absolutely voting for the parties,
31:36
Speaker 15: that no question about that. But when we go to
31:39
Speaker 15: the outer suburbs and we're talking about women in their
31:41
Speaker 15: thirties having kids, and we've got some data coming on
31:45
Speaker 15: that in the next couple of weeks during the campaign
31:48
Speaker 15: which illustrates this, visually illustrates it that women are not
31:54
Speaker 15: what people think they are as in progressive voters and
31:58
Speaker 15: chumping at the bit the base voted as the coalition,
32:01
Speaker 15: that's not the case at all. They are the ones
32:03
Speaker 15: suffering the most from the cost living crisis. They've got kids,
32:06
Speaker 15: they're taking on extra jobs, extra hours at work, They're stressed.
32:11
Speaker 15: They are depressed because they can't spend as much time
32:13
Speaker 15: with their kids as they used to do in the past.
32:15
Speaker 11: They're stuck in traffic again.
32:17
Speaker 15: You know, the Labor Party was announcing some roading for
32:20
Speaker 15: structure upgrades today and Victoria good reason for that. You're
32:22
Speaker 15: stuck in ours in traffic that's going to hit women
32:25
Speaker 15: the most. So, yes, young women in outer suburbs and regions.
32:29
Speaker 15: They are definitely not voting in accordance with their counterparts
32:33
Speaker 15: and the inner parts of our large cities. And that
32:35
Speaker 15: obviously applies in Europe as well.
32:39
Speaker 2: I might just said before we go, you know what clown,
32:42
Speaker 2: knowing all of that, knowing that them mums with the
32:44
Speaker 2: pusher are trying to get the train into town. What
32:46
Speaker 2: clown would build a two hundred billion dollar rail line
32:50
Speaker 2: and only put one one commuter car park along that line.
32:54
Speaker 2: What you're supposed to walk four or five kilometers with
32:56
Speaker 2: two kids in a pram and your shopping back to
32:59
Speaker 2: your house, get on the train. It's nuts. I'll leave
33:01
Speaker 2: it there, thanks, case catch up.
33:03
Speaker 1: Soon.
33:04
Speaker 2: Right after the break, the US and Ukraine reach a
33:06
Speaker 2: deal on minerals. So what's this mean for the war
33:09
Speaker 2: and the prospect of peace? Plus a PM accused of
33:12
Speaker 2: misleading the country. More details emerging out of estimates regarding
33:17
Speaker 2: China's hostile naval drills. Welcome back. I've got some more
33:26
Speaker 2: information on Labour's dirt unit. We'll get to that in
33:29
Speaker 2: a moment, but first, in a positive sign that perhaps
33:31
Speaker 2: tensions between the White House and the Zelinsky government at easy,
33:35
Speaker 2: Ukraine has oven art agreed to a mineral's rights deal
33:38
Speaker 2: with the United States. It's expected to be finalized Friday.
33:42
Speaker 11: It's a very big deal.
33:43
Speaker 6: It could be a trillion dollar deal, it could be whatever,
33:46
Speaker 6: but it's rareer and other things.
33:50
Speaker 2: Joined me now. Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, Michael Shubridge. Michael,
33:55
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. We haven't got a whole
33:57
Speaker 2: lot of detail. But in terms of the war effort
34:01
Speaker 2: and any perspective piece deal, what do you think this
34:04
Speaker 2: all means. Well.
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Speaker 11: I think it's a positive.
34:09
Speaker 6: But in Donald Trump's mind, this is all about Ukraine
34:13
Speaker 6: paying overdue bills for help America has already provided. It's
34:18
Speaker 6: not anything about what America might do to support Ukraine
34:22
Speaker 6: in the war from now. But I think at least
34:25
Speaker 6: it's drawn some of the poison out of the Trump
34:28
Speaker 6: Zelensky relationship. Maybe that means it's put a flaw on
34:32
Speaker 6: the bad news, and there's some hope that things can
34:36
Speaker 6: be built from here. But unfortunately, mister Trump still seems
34:40
Speaker 6: to think the war is Ukraine's fault, and that is
34:42
Speaker 6: not a good position for negotiations.
34:47
Speaker 2: It is not, and it's actually incorrect, and that's shrewd analysis. Michael.
34:51
Speaker 2: Those are Chinese live fire drills, and the revelations shocking revelations.
34:57
Speaker 2: The only way we actually knew about it was because
35:00
Speaker 2: we were contacted by a commercial Virgin pilot. The only
35:06
Speaker 2: way you knew about this was because a Virgin pilot
35:10
Speaker 2: heard about it and called in it. Correct, Virgin, you
35:16
Speaker 2: were ahead of defense on this.
35:18
Speaker 14: I wouldn't say we were ahead, it's we became aware
35:21
Speaker 14: of the situation because.
35:22
Speaker 2: Then you fed that information. Now this flies in the
35:27
Speaker 2: face of the Prime Minister claiming that the Chinese Naval
35:29
Speaker 2: group gave them notice of the drills. Now we are
35:34
Speaker 2: weak in relation to China and the military, Michael. We've
35:36
Speaker 2: seen it before in these earlier incidents, and now this
35:40
Speaker 2: we've got China drawing red lines all all over the
35:43
Speaker 2: place and we let them cross them with impunity.
35:48
Speaker 6: Well, exactly this is Remember the government, mister Miles, and
35:53
Speaker 6: mister Albanezi told us this was an unprecedented surveillance operation. Well,
35:58
Speaker 6: it was unprecedented in its failure to not do the
36:02
Speaker 6: simple things. Whereas I've brought to mind another maritime surveillance
36:07
Speaker 6: operation called Operation Sovereign Borders or Stop the Boats, which
36:11
Speaker 6: was an outstanding success, not over days and weeks, but
36:15
Speaker 6: over a long period of months, and that was because
36:18
Speaker 6: of the relentless focus of the then Prime Minister Tony
36:21
Speaker 6: Abbott you know him well, the key ministers and them
36:24
Speaker 6: pushing all the bureaucrats and leaving nothing to chance. In
36:28
Speaker 6: this case, this operation Watched the Boats is about three warships.
36:32
Speaker 6: The Prime Minister and the Defense Minister are like a
36:36
Speaker 6: couple of snow white, sleepy and dopey dwarfs, asleep at
36:40
Speaker 6: the wheel, not across basic detail, and defense underneath them
36:46
Speaker 6: has unfolded a debacle.
36:50
Speaker 12: Yeah.
36:50
Speaker 2: Look, from day one, these guys are not serious. I've
36:53
Speaker 2: never had the right people in the room. They don't
36:56
Speaker 2: follow up, they don't know about caravan's full of bombs,
36:58
Speaker 2: they don't know about warships. For a pilot flying overhead
37:03
Speaker 2: to put a call through to cameras say hey, we're
37:04
Speaker 2: a bit worried about the Chinese downstairs on the ocean
37:08
Speaker 2: live fire rounds. I mean it feels like Dad's army
37:11
Speaker 2: and that's being kind. And there's talk that there's a
37:14
Speaker 2: Russian sorry, there's a nuclear sub with the mix here.
37:17
Speaker 2: Defense won't rule that out now if that's the case.
37:21
Speaker 2: Is that concerning, Michael.
37:25
Speaker 6: Well, absolutely, And it's more concerning that the head of
37:28
Speaker 6: our Defense force says publicly, I don't know if a
37:32
Speaker 6: submarine is there. It's possible, as if he hasn't got
37:36
Speaker 6: a care in the world. He was equally dopey and
37:40
Speaker 6: asleep at the wheel about the fact that through the
37:43
Speaker 6: military chain there's fifty five billion dollar military machine that
37:47
Speaker 6: we spend that much money every year. It was an
37:50
Speaker 6: hour later than the Virgin Airline pilot called in that
37:54
Speaker 6: his military chain passed information to Defense. So the problem
38:00
Speaker 6: is it's an incompetent failure and the Prime Minister and
38:05
Speaker 6: the responsible Minister, Richard Miles, seem completely happy with this.
38:11
Speaker 2: I reckon the poor old Virgin pilot should be made
38:14
Speaker 2: the chief of air force. We might be better off,
38:16
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. I'll make the point two. Keir Starmer
38:19
Speaker 2: has announced in the UK two point five billion, sorry,
38:23
Speaker 2: two point five percent of GDP will be the defense
38:25
Speaker 2: spend there by twenty twenty seven. We're not even close
38:29
Speaker 2: to one point eight promised two long way off that
38:32
Speaker 2: also came out of revelations today. Or right, quick break
38:35
Speaker 2: up the break my panel, recruitment crisis in the ADF
38:38
Speaker 2: Wait till you'll see what's happening there, and we'll look
38:41
Speaker 2: at the shameless use of treasury for the dirt unit.
38:49
Speaker 2: The wonderful Curl Richard's coming up at first, my panel.
38:52
Speaker 2: Let's bring them in. Senior fellow at the Men's Research Center,
38:54
Speaker 2: Nikata Little MP from South Australia, James Stevens. Gents, welcome,
39:00
Speaker 2: Coolish James has accused the Treasury Department of breaching the
39:03
Speaker 2: Public Service Act. This it's pretty serious. This is a
39:06
Speaker 2: relation to costumes work they did regarding opposition policy. That's
39:11
Speaker 2: not on that's against the rules. It's been revealed though,
39:15
Speaker 2: because only because of a Senate order. That excuse me.
39:19
Speaker 2: Some of the financial assumptions were based on old social
39:23
Speaker 2: media posts almost a decade old. What do you make
39:27
Speaker 2: of this?
39:31
Speaker 16: Well, Peter Jim Charmers runs a political hit job like
39:34
Speaker 16: he does an economy pretty poorly, frankly, And yeah, these
39:38
Speaker 16: revelations are in some ways not a surprise because when
39:42
Speaker 16: Jim Charmers released this information it clearly didn't stack up.
39:45
Speaker 16: The criticism was way off. And now we find that
39:48
Speaker 16: Treasury have conceded, through the release of these documents that
39:52
Speaker 16: the way in which Jim Charmers characterized what they've done
39:55
Speaker 16: is completely inaccurate. And I think there's more questions to
39:59
Speaker 16: be asked about the conduct of certain Treasury officials on
40:02
Speaker 16: this matter. But also Jim Chalmers needs to front up,
40:05
Speaker 16: he explain himself and apologize for misleading the Australian people.
40:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think after the revolution, if it was to happen,
40:13
Speaker 2: I think Stephen Kennedy, they had a Treasury with the
40:15
Speaker 2: first to go on my list, let's go to energy, Nick.
40:19
Speaker 2: Because something unusual is happening in the business community. We're
40:24
Speaker 2: starting to see business stand up and defend Australia's national
40:27
Speaker 2: interest on energy. A whole lot of the energy groups
40:30
Speaker 2: have come out there and then one of them, particularly
40:32
Speaker 2: Beach Energies in the Australian Today, saying that voters, if
40:36
Speaker 2: you hand over the keys to government to a minority government,
40:39
Speaker 2: that would be horrific outcome for Australians who are already
40:43
Speaker 2: suffering from cost of living pressures now is not wrong.
40:46
Speaker 2: But we've also got BP announcing plans to cut back
40:50
Speaker 2: on its renewable energy investments and put its focus back
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Speaker 2: on fossil fuels. So Nick, what's happening, Well, it.
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Speaker 17: Would BP announcement is very interesting. BP was British Petroleum
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Speaker 17: until two thousand and one when it changed its name
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Speaker 17: to Beyond Petroleum because it thought it was on old hat.
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Speaker 17: Now they say they're going back to fossil fuels, presumably
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Speaker 17: largely to oil and petrol, which is their core business
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Speaker 17: and where they became a very successful company.
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Speaker 1: And we see this.
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Speaker 17: Of course, they're just following the market on this one,
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Speaker 17: in the sense that renewable electric vehicle sales have declined
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Speaker 17: around the world or plateaued everywhere except places like China
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Speaker 17: where they're heavily subsidized by the government, and this is
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Speaker 17: a recognition I think that we're not going to get
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Speaker 17: to those ambitious twenty thirty targets, so we better just
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Speaker 17: focus on keeping the lights on. And they're following many
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Speaker 17: other companies around the world, particularly the high tech companies
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Speaker 17: in America in recognizing this. But I think that just
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Speaker 17: goes to show how out of step our government is.
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Speaker 17: It's now pushing against world trends on this, and I
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Speaker 17: think I share those concerns very deeply about the election
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Speaker 17: of a minority labor government would have to rely on
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Speaker 17: either the Greens or the Teals or both. And I
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Speaker 17: think when you see what Kate Cheney came out with
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Speaker 17: on Monday, TELMP for Curtin in Western Australia and saying
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Speaker 17: she didn't want to see the gas industry.
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Speaker 1: Given a new lease of life.
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Speaker 17: So basically the end of gas offshore gas in Wa,
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Speaker 17: that would be a disaster not only for our economy
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Speaker 17: but certainly for our energy system because we're going to
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Speaker 17: be stuck with so much unreliable wind and solar we
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Speaker 17: are going to need gas to back it up.
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Speaker 1: That is simply a fact.
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Speaker 17: So that's not a political point, that is an engineering fact,
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Speaker 17: and we'll be in deep trouble without it.
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 2: We've been talking about defense, so we talked about defense
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Speaker 2: a lot, obviously, but the threat of China is real.
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Speaker 2: So estimates have revealed that the new recruiting firm hire
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Speaker 2: to fix the eighty. IF's recruitment woes is almost thirty
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Speaker 2: percent behind and its target. It's also had its performance
42:56
Speaker 2: period extended. I might add it takes sort of eight
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Speaker 2: to twelve months to process any applicants and by that time,
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Speaker 2: James Stevens, ninety percent of them are dropping out. It
43:07
Speaker 2: just takes too long.
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Speaker 16: Well, Peter, this is one of many reasons why we
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Speaker 16: need Andrew Hasty to be Australia's Defense Minister as soon
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Speaker 16: as humanly possible, because this is one of many things
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Speaker 16: that we can't be casual about, and the Labor government
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Speaker 16: are clearly dismissing very genuine concern about the ability to
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Speaker 16: hit these targets. It's something that we all recognize is
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Speaker 16: vitally important for our national security. We're investing enormous amounts
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Speaker 16: of money into capability, but we need the personnel to
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Speaker 16: be recruited in the ADF too, of course, do what
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Speaker 16: needs to be done to defend our nation and our
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Speaker 16: national interest. Labour's casual attitude is completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: Nikatie, you wrote a terrific piece about Tony Burke's citizenship bleeds.
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Speaker 2: We've discussed here on the program. I think all Australians
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Speaker 2: should be horrified about what he's doing with the politics here.
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Speaker 2: But you argued interestingly that he made a tactical error
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Speaker 2: by drawing attention to immigration ahead of the election.
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Speaker 1: I think it was a huge error, Peter.
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Speaker 17: So in search, it's obvious to what he was doing
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Speaker 17: was enrolling people as citizens, fast tracking them because you know,
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Speaker 17: the view is that they were more likely to vote
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Speaker 17: Labor than the Coalition. Not all of them will vote Labor, incidentally,
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Speaker 17: so if he's you know, for six thousand citizenships certificates
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Speaker 17: he'd handed out like confetti at the weekend, the number
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Speaker 17: of actual votes coming to Labor across a range of
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Speaker 17: seats is going to be pretty small. But the consequence
44:39
Speaker 17: of that, of course, is being on television in these
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Speaker 17: massive sort of almost like the old Korean mass weddings,
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Speaker 17: you know, in front of all these people, wonderful people,
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Speaker 17: all of them, I'm sure, and we welcome them as
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Speaker 17: Australian citizens. But the optics for Tony Burke and the
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Speaker 17: government at this time when they really are on the
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Speaker 17: nose with immigration is deeply troubling. I mean, I hear
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Speaker 17: from on the ground in Cunningham and Whitlam, which are
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Speaker 17: down in the Ella Warum region. That the number one issue,
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Speaker 17: of course, cost of living, number two issue immigration.
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Speaker 1: People are really.
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Speaker 17: Concerned about this and I think if the government doesn't
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Speaker 17: lose this election on cost of living, they will lose
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Speaker 17: it on immigration.
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Speaker 2: You're probably right, Nick, I think about socio cohesion being
45:24
Speaker 2: part of that as well. Gentlemen, Thank you Nikata there.
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Speaker 2: James Stephen, I might add, we had a look where
45:29
Speaker 2: the Prime minister was last Friday, you know, around this
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Speaker 2: whole Chinese naval drill issue, when he wasn't briefed as
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Speaker 2: he should when the version pilot basically was protecting our coastline.
45:40
Speaker 2: Where was the Prime Minister? Well, he was in the
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Speaker 2: Illa Warra. You heard he was there there from Nick Cator.
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Speaker 2: He was in the Illa Warra doing fundraising events for
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Speaker 2: the labor candidate for Whitlam, Carol Berry. That's interesting, isn't it?
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Speaker 17: All?
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Speaker 2: Right? After break, Calviriches welcome back, joining me as he
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Speaker 2: does every Wednesday day. Wordsmith and broadcast Kel Richards Kel welcome.
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Speaker 2: Great to be back in the same country as you. Hey,
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Speaker 2: we've got some great words this week. John wants to
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Speaker 2: know what are the origins of spin doctor?
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Speaker 18: Okay, we know what it means. You know what it
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Speaker 18: means that our viewers know what it means. It's a
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Speaker 18: media handler, a political media handler, trying to get us
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Speaker 18: to believe a particular version of a story turned up
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Speaker 18: in America nineteen eighties, first in the Reagan White House,
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Speaker 18: but the compound now came along a bit later. Before then,
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Speaker 18: in the nineteen seventies, just the word spin was being
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Speaker 18: used to mean the same thing. But why spin now,
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Speaker 18: I've looked at all of the possible suggestions, and I'm
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Speaker 18: convinced it comes from sport. It comes from what a
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Speaker 18: clever player can do with the ball in cricket, on
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Speaker 18: a snooker table in baseball, where they put a spin
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Speaker 18: on the ball and instead of going straight, it deviates
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Speaker 18: to the right or to the left. I think it's
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Speaker 18: that spin.
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Speaker 2: Ah. And why the doctor, a specialist at the spin
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Speaker 2: is that.
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Speaker 18: Because they fixed things. Doctors fix things. If the story
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Speaker 18: is bad story, the doctor will fix it.
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Speaker 11: Put a spin on it.
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Speaker 2: Got it. Marilyn wants to know where does the expression
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Speaker 2: at loggerheads come from.
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Speaker 18: It's quite old and it obviously means an irresolvable sort
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Speaker 18: of conflict. And the Oxford say We're not too sure,
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Speaker 18: but they've got a good guess. It's an interesting guess.
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Speaker 18: Many years ago, a loggerhead was a thing. It was
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Speaker 18: a tool or an instrument with a long iron handle
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Speaker 18: and a big iron ball at the end. Was heated
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Speaker 18: in a fire and then used to heat liquids in
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Speaker 18: a pot, or to melt pitch or tar, that kind
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Speaker 18: of thing. And the theory that the Oxford experts have
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Speaker 18: come up with is if a couple of people are
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Speaker 18: having an argument and they grabbed a couple of these things,
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Speaker 18: these big heavy iron things, and hitting each other, then
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Speaker 18: the argument was so irresolvable, irresolvable. They were then at loggerheads.
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Speaker 18: So it came from this funny old implement. That's the theory.
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Speaker 2: This is one I often use. I've got no idea
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Speaker 2: where it comes from. Storm in a teacup. Joel wants
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Speaker 2: to know what are the origins here.
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Speaker 18: It's a great one because it's the ancient Romans that
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Speaker 18: gave this to you. There is a classical Latin proverb,
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Speaker 18: and because it's a proverb, we don't know who came
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Speaker 18: up with it in the first place. But a proverb
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Speaker 18: about a tempest in a ladle now that's in Latin,
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Speaker 18: and any schoolboy who studied Latin for many years learned it.
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Speaker 18: And all the different variations we know, storm in a teacup,
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Speaker 18: tempest in a teapot, all of those appear to be
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Speaker 18: to have come out of the same ancient, classical Latin proverb.
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Speaker 18: So you can thank the Romans.
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Speaker 2: Tempest in a ladle. I quite like that one. Hey,
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Speaker 2: impact and affect? Do we have time for that one?
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Speaker 2: And wants to know?
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Speaker 18: Okay quickly? Can impact be used as a verb? You know,
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Speaker 18: the policy will have will impact the economy. It irritates
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Speaker 18: lots of people, and I think the reason it irritates
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Speaker 18: them is there is a missing participle. If you say
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Speaker 18: impact on the economy, suddenly the participle appears. Suddenly you understand. Yes,
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Speaker 18: it makes sense and it's grammatically okay. It's the missing
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Speaker 18: participle that makes people irritated by the word impact.
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Speaker 2: Got it and all over it. We'll go back to
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Speaker 2: all of this next week. Thank you, kel, Thanks for
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Speaker 2: your company. See you tomorrow night at six