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Breaking News: Tire Doping Scandal Update · Kenny Wallace Media

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Well, here we go again. We're about one month later and
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this is Brian Carter. Brian is the CEO of the World
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Racing Group and the boss of the World of Outlaw Light Models.
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Once again, this is breaking news in the garage area for the
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World of Outlaw Dirt Late Models.
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Brian, I'll just do a little bit and I'm going to let you have
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it. The breaking news is your
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independent appeals Commission heard their argument.
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Bobby Pierce, Devin Moran, Kyle Bronson from the Tower
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situation. And today is big news.
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So if you wouldn't mind, would you please tell us what the
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Independent Appeals Commission and that group had to say today?
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Right, No. Well today they upheld the the
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the rule infraction and they adjusted the penalties based on
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the evidence heard. So the from a from a sanctioning
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body perspective, they upheld the lab results.
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They upheld the the rule violation which is the tire
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didn't meet the benchmark and then they looked into the
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context of the penalties in today's racing and they they
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took a hard review of that. So with the end result, you know
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the the the board is independent of World Racing Group.
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It is published in our rule book.
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It's available for everybody to see.
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Three, three members of that board independently heard it and
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they heard the evidence from the teams and evidence from us and
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and then they deliberate on that based on was the facts and the
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decision made at the time valid. And then they have the choice of
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either upholding the penalty, modifying and then modifying the
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result of the the fines and the penalties so they can either
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increase, decrease or leave the penalty alone.
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They actually chose to increase the monetary fine for Bobby
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Pierce but actually removed the suspensions from the from the
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teams really very much like what I would call a parts violation
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if they had an an illegal shock when they rolled across the
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scales at the end of the night you get disqualified last place
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points of money. It kind of took that approach to
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it this time which which I'm supportive of our process and
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and of the pellet board and and doing that.
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So it really approached it that way and and adjusted the
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penalties. But what I'm happy about is we
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went through the process. The teams got a fair shake
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independent of of our officials and and at the end of the day
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our processes was performed the way it's supposed to and I have
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an enforceable rule book. So it's a I'm not going to make
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everybody happy with everything we do and the appellate Board's
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not going to make everybody happy.
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But at this point hopefully there's some closure and we've
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answered some more questions. I'm sure there's more as we go
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forward and how to make this process better.
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But today we close that up and the Appellate board, you know,
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with a four race suspension and big points, I think they felt it
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was maybe too much of A death penalty.
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Even when, you know, I'm sitting here across the street from
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NASCAR and D when they issue a penalty really, does it
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completely kill an entire season?
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And I think that may have been one of the arguments that were
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most heard during that appellate board committee.
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OK. We're going to do a little bit
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like we did last time and hold. I like the.
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Darts throw darts at me. Let's have that.
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Yes. OK, so my disclaimer is that I'm
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a race car driver who accidentally has the Kenny
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Wallace show. This show found me.
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I didn't find it. Everybody knows that.
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I'm friends with Bobby Pierce because of Gary Sanson is the
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sponsor, which is low voltage. We all know that that's out
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there. That has to be said because I
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don't want to hear it. Of course, I'm friends with
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Devin Moran and Cal Bronson. Now.
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Now that that's all said, we're all racers here, OK?
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I'm going to throw the darts at you.
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I'm going to act like I'm the guy that's, I'm the guy that's
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been soaking my tires all year long.
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OK, Bobby Pierce, his penalty was he lost $9400 and points.
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I added this up because you charged him $400.00 for the for
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the tire sample taken. So once again Bobby Pierce lost
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$9400 plus the points Devon Moran for that night.
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Thank you, Devon. Moran lost $10,400 in points for
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that night. That's correct.
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OK, Cal Bron. Including the Including the
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Gator Championship money and any of the prize money we collect
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back will be redistributed to the teams that finished behind
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them. OK, thank you.
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Kyle Bronson lost $3400 in points for that night.
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That's correct. OK, so the penalties are still
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very stiff. These are big penalties.
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Now, you cannot tell me, and I already know this, but I'm going
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to ask it, who were the mature executives?
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Who were who? Who was on the board, you say, I
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can find this? Who heard the argument?
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Who were these people? Well, I can't.
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You know, our rule book specifies the group of people
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and that group of people will be selected as part of that process
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in the to to make sure there's no conflict.
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So the if you go to dirtcarmembers.com you'll find
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the rule book and you'll you'll actually find the list of the
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appellate boards. There's 10 or 12 I I don't know
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the exact number right here on my computer, but there's 10 or
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12 people that can be selected to listen to the appeal.
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These are all stakeholders, very important to the industry,
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knowledgeable of the issues that we deal with either as a track
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promoter or a manufacturer or a series official independent of
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our racing group. So it's it is made-up of people
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that have devoted their lives to the integrity of Motorsports and
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we are very appreciative of them serving in a very it's a very
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it's a there's a lot of lack of gratitude but they really don't
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people don't appreciate how much there are there is going into
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all of this and our appellate boards are very important part
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of the process is it is a resource for all of our dirt car
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members. Every dirt car member has the
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ability to appeal any penalty that were racing group issues.
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It's part of the integrity of what we're trying to do with the
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sport. I I feel like that was missing
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for some reason. It was thrown around when we
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started this a month ago that it was done.
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But all along those drivers could appeal the process, and I
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do like it that this process did work out.
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Now I want to paraphrase this. I'm going to say this for
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everybody and then you tell me if I'm wrong.
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The tires did not come back right.
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Penalties were upheld. However, they felt the penalties
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were too stiff and they are going to be able to keep on
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racing. That's correct.
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It was, It was, you know when you look at the evolution of the
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tire doping call it whatever you want to call it treatment.
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Originally this was very toxic chemicals, right.
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There was this very cancer causing chemicals and early it
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created risk not only to the competitor but to the event
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itself and to the rest of the competitors.
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We had tire delamination problems and all the rest and as
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that that process has evolved you can almost buy this on
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Amazon now. I mean it's kind of I know that
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there are chemicals I can buy on Amazon that will have an effect
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on a race tire and and so I think there was a little bit of
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context maybe in the current environment that maybe should it
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be more egregious penalty even to the somebody who was hiding a
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spring rod in some place and that was found when it crosses
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the scales or a spoiler that's two inches too tall.
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So, you know, it's a, it's a process that the appellate board
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has asked me to review going forward in the context of what
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this tire treatment is. Additionally, there was, you
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know, there's some question as to should this be a death
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penalty for a team. And and you know I can believe
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that I was, I was tasked with the idea of a second penalty for
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any of these teams will come with a very, very steep penalty
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and suspension. So that's that's really what I
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what I'm looking for is again direction on how to guide the
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sport going forward and then create a process that I don't
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care what color the car is, these guys are all friends, I
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care about everybody on the racetrack, but I can't be biased
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in my decision making process. So from that perspective, the
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pellet board supported our lab procedures, supported our
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collection and sampling and the way in which you're trying to
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eliminate any of the variability that our officials or racing
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group can introduce. But did have some question as to
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in the context of dirt tire chemically treating or or
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conditioning, wanted to look at the severity of the penalties
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and they adjusted those based on that.
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So the other dart that I'm going to throw at you is what if Bobby
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Pierce, Devin Moran and Cal Bronson?
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What if they have a second offense?
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What will you do to them? Well they're they'll be they've
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been they're on probation now in the in the appellate board I
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believe. Well we're going to be very
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again I don't care what color of the car is when it when it comes
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in the racetrack and we want to be fair to everybody.
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These guys have had a chance to to state their case.
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They, I think they understand better our testing policies.
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Hopefully they understand the the confidence that I have in
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our lab and our processes. And I know that the general
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public may not understand everything about these chemical
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experiments that's happening inside these tires.
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And I don't know how I got there.
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I just know that the tire at the end of the night that was in
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competition didn't match the benchmark.
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If that happens again to the same three teams or any of these
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teams, it's going to be viewed as a very negative and have a
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very negative effect. And I would expect us again,
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we're racing group, Steve Francis and myself, we issued a
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penalty that was at the bottom of our rule book, the minimums,
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the minimums that that we could have done.
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It will not be the case next time.
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Was Bobby Pierce, Devon Moran and Kyle Bronson?
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Were they there at the Independent Appeals Commission?
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Yeah, They each had their own standalone separate appeals and
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they all presented their cases independently, went right
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through the process. There's a, there's a evidence
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presentation and our official presentation and then additional
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questions by the appellate board and then rebuttals.
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And it's a it's a full process actually administered by an
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attorney that help us administer that doesn't have a voting
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right. So again we try to again provide
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all of the defenses for everybody.
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We want to make sure that the facts are laid out and that we
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do the best we can making a decision at the time and that we
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are our penalties are fair and and can be withheld.
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So I think it's I think all of that process was followed and
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I'm I'm confident with that. I know that again, we're not
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going to make everybody happy, but I'm confident in Again, my
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goal is to I I don't want to find this stuff at the
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racetrack. I want this stuff to go away.
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I need it to go away. And I think that based on the
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conversations with the teams, not only the three teams in
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question, which you've had long dialogues with, but the rest of
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the industry, How do we continue to refine and enhance the
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process so there's more confidence in what we're doing
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and more confidence in the ability to detect these pieces
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and and understand the effects of these chemicals.
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And I I think the teams are going to help us continue to
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weed this stuff out. Where did this independent
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appeals Commission with Bobby Pierce individually and then
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Devin Moran came in and then Kyle Bronson, Can you give me
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the setting? Where did this take place?
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Yeah, well, the power of technology, nobody has to come
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together. So you know we're we're pulling
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from people all across the country in order to get people
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that are really industry experts are not going to come from the
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same region. So we all do this with
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technology. So it's a it's a conference
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call, it gives everybody some comfort in their own
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environment. So we want again we want it to
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be a fair and equitable process. So we're in our, we're in our
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offices and the teams are at their shops I'm sure and each of
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the people that are listening are are in their own
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environment. So I think that that has boded
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well for all the appeals. Thank goodness we don't have
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these very often and we don't need them, but when we do have
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them, we have an effective way of doing this.
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Did Bobby Pierce, Devin Moran, Kyle Bronson?
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Did they have anybody to help them speak?
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You know there were there were car owner representatives.
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I mean Kyle owns his own car but there were Kyle, there were car
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owner representatives. It was again they can bring a
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representative to help them explain their case and and add
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evidence to the to the process. So you know, everything was done
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in a very professional manner and very happy with the way that
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went. It went the way it's supposed to
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and professional racing organizations, which these three
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teams are and so are we. So at what racing group.
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So it's, I think the process served.
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It served the industry and the sport well this time.
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So deep breath everybody. Yeah, I mean, this is, this has
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been a lot. So this is Kenny conversation
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now. I'm going to switch over and I'm
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going to, I'm going to be a character.
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You're always a character. Yeah, yeah, I am.
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And now I'm going to be the Kenny Wallace Show.
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I'm going to be a character. Well, hell, you didn't do
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nothing to them. I'm going to keep soaking my
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tires because all you did was find a money and points.
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So what do you say to those local racers out there now that
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are going to keep spending the $200 a gallon or the $50.00 for
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the tiling? I know all about this stuff.
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What do you say to them now? The same thing I said two weeks
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ago. If you're going to put it in the
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tires and we test tires, we're going to find it.
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We're going to find it. I'm confident in the lab, we're
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going to find it. You know that that's the one
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piece. You know for a for a non touring
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guy or somebody who's not traveling with us, there's
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suspension and stuff. Definitely doesn't matter.
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The money is the penalty, 'cause they they can go run whatever
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they're gonna go run their their regional or local or another
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national tour from that perspective.
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So the national guys really get a hammered on for this kind of a
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penalty. And so from that perspective
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it's the same. I mean, we're still talking
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about a lot of money, 10s of thousands of dollars, a penalty
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that the key for me for for that team is to know when you're
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coming in our pit area, you're not running against that.
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We're gonna do everything we can to hunt it down and and get it
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out of our pit area. So I didn't think about asking
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this question, but at the top of your head, we want we want the
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sport to be cheaper, but yet the competitors spend more money.
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So it's like, hey, buy some of this tower dope, I'm going to
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charge you $102.00 a gallon, whatever it is.
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How much money you think is being spent in the industry?
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Is it? Is it hundreds of thousands?
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Is it thousands, hundreds of dollars?
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What do you think? Well, we all know where we can
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get this stuff done. We know the shop it comes out
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of. It's 300 bucks a tire to get it
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done. I mean, it's not this is not a
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this is not a private industry. Everybody loves to have dirt on
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everybody. $300.00 a. Tire to have this done by a
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professional person who preps and sends the tires back every
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time he does it. And the thing about it is what?
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I'm listening. You're just teaching me a little
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bit. Hey, I don't know everything.
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I don't. Know if these I I'm not.
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I'm not saying that these this person had anything to do with
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any of these three tires. I'm just saying.
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You know, people. Think we're sleep.
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You know I'm not in a clock. We're we're racing family.
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We're racing. We got racers.
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I got, I got racers. In my business, we know exactly
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what where to get it. Who's selling it.
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Who's prepping tires and in the shops that are doing it.
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We do know this. People think that we don't know
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this is ridiculous. So I'm telling you, I want this
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crap out of our business and if you come in to race with us, I'm
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going to do everything in our power to make sure that it is
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you're not racing against it at any of our events.
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That's my job and I'll do my best.
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I can only do my best. Yeah.
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Well, you've done a lot. I want to thank you for coming
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on Kenny conversation so that the penalties the money is big.
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They lost their points. It's it's been a rough deal.
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In my notes I wrote down here. I feel like this was one big,
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big family argument and everybody is completely
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exhausted right now. Do you feel like and we're
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ending now. Do you feel like the World
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Racing Group is in a in a better place now?
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Because inevitably you know everybody across the board has
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been calling me. My phone's been ringing off the
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hook. Everybody says to me that
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although this has been exhausting, they think we're in
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a better place now as far as getting rid of this this toxic
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chemical. I want to be in a better place
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every day. So every day we're trying to
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figure out a way to make it better.
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So, you know, I think we definitely move forward.
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We learn something from it every time we do an iteration of this.
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You know, people were like, you know, the bricks that they get
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from Hoosier, 10 years old, we have, we actually got 3 new
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tires that matched the date codes that were bad.
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We tested them to the lab, didn't know what was going on
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and they all came back clean. So it's like, you know, we
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continue to to learn and evolve every day.
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Or I'm not, you know, I'm not If you're not going forward, you're
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stopped. So I'm, I'm moving forward and I
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feel like we're in a better spot.
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I hope, I hope that the, you know, the confidence in our
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ability to detect this stuff is higher.
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I, you know, the idea of false positives, the track, you know,
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the track contamination. You know, I have all the
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equipment. You've been to Volusia plenty of
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times. I've been accused of putting
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crap on my race track. It's like we have all the
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equipment and the expertise to do anything we want to do with
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that race track for whatever kind of cars on there.
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And I have guys that I I task with that and they do a great
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job of it. We're not putting chemicals on
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our race track. I've heard that crap too.
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So what I want is, again, a higher level of confidence
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knowing that we're going to do everything we can to make it a
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fair and safe place to come racing.
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And I want the local guys, I want the regional guys, I want
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the national guys to know what they're getting when they come
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and race with us. And I think that, you know, the
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appellate board was sympathetic to a a seasoned killing penalty
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and that there are some things that may be out of the control
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of the racer before they put that sample in the bag.
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You know, that's something I don't know, but that does give
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him a, you know, opportunity. So the first offense on this
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stuff is a little lighter than it was in the past.
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But you know what? It's still my job to go have an
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enforceable rule book and enforce the rule books as it
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exists. And we're going to continue to
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do that. And I'm.
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I feel like we're doing a better job of that every day.
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And this will be my my last question.
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Blue Ridge lab is a good lab. You're the lab of choice, and
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they're not a bad lab. I'm just saying what I've heard.
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Blue Ridge lab is 100%. Yeah, they are a race lab that
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have evolved with us to help us continue to chase the product.
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Again, this isn't the the stuff that the sniffer we used to do
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this with a sniffer and a durometer.
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You know you still you can't do that anymore with what's what's
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being used. So our lab is committed to
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accuracy committed to a process. I have all of the documentation
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of how they clean the machines between samples and how they
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start up the machines and how they do the testing.
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And we talked last time on the last one about how we submit
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samples of things we know are bad things we know are good
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things we know that are simple green or different race tracks.
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So we've done all those pieces. And again, like I said, Blue
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Ridge has been 100% every single time.
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And I have to stand on that. And I have all the confidence in
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the world of that. That's the answer.
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You know a false positive. You know you don't end up with
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doing. I I looked at my financials, we
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spent a lot of money, a lot of money over the last few years.
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You do not do that and end up with three bad samples, A1 bad
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sample last year there. The process is not broken.
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I thought I was done, but I really am done here.
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I'm. I'm trying to D bullshit.
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Everything the fans are going to say, hit me.
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With them I'm good. OK, now I I don't expect you to
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answer this, but I'm going to throw the dart.
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Why does Lucas Royal Late Models not use Blue Ridge Labs?
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That's something you're gonna have to ask Blue Ridge or you
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can ask Rick Shwalley or you can ask Lucas.
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You know they have their process and I've listened to Rick and
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all this and he has confidence in his lab.
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So I again, he can't challenge how I base my trust and
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confidence and I'm not gonna try.
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I'm not gonna challenge his. So from that perspective the
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idea they of just the sampling, the the how they do the samples
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are going to be different. It it introduces inconsistencies
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that I just I, I I I can't do right now and I don't think Rick
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can can agree to do it our way because he doesn't have that
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confidence he he has a long standing relationship with his
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lab with ARDL or Akron. So it's it's one of those things
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that we have to figure out a way to do this as consistent as we
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can so that the racers know what they're getting.
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And you know, I I think you need to ask if you ask Rick that, you
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know I would love to figure out a way to create a a systematic
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process that everybody has confidence and I'm hoping that
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every day we build a little more confidence into our process.
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Yeah, I don't want to ask him. And here's why, because it's not
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what I do. This was just such a big deal.
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I've been running UMP my modified for a long time.
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I'm doing this as a service for our dirt racing community so we
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can all heal and move on. And and of course the very last
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question, the, the big one, everybody thought that if you
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penalize these three drivers that you had a deal with Lucas
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Oil that they could not run Brownstown IN.
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What happened there? Was that false?
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Well, you know, the the the bullshit that was coming up at
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Speed Weeks was the idea of heats, heat cycling, the tires,
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freezing them to retain whatever's created at the close
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to the surface, blah, blah, blah.
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And was, you know, was that sort of ridiculousness of the process
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at the racetrack. To the extent that I even think
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I heard that they were asking for delays not at our event
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between qualifying and heat race so they could do another cycle
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in the tires is like that's the stuff we all agreed was going to
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be no go, no way, no how. So I think that the strength in
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the sport is creating consistency as best we can
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across the series so that when we have something egregious that
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we can both enforce the rulebook because that way that if
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something is truly creates a risk for the competitors or risk
23:39
for the event or the fans, then we have a penalty that can be
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enforced across all the series. So it's not just a run here or
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run there or run there in other places.
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It's it's much more a broader sort of suspension if it gets to
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be that egregious. You know that that that
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collaboration on the rule book has been great.
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The collaboration on the the processes at the Racetrack that
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are introducing another layer of BS that we don't need at the
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Racetrack collaborating on that piece.
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But we've never on the late model side because we use
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different labs and we use different processes.
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We've not been able to to uphold suspensions across the two
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series. We have done it where we share
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those, where the where there are other series on the Sprint car
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side where we share the lab and we hear the processes when we
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understand that and it agrees with ours and we can uphold
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suspensions across sanctioned bodies And we've done that in
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the past when lay mall aside, we've just not been able to do
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that And I hope to someday to continue to make more and more
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of our sport that way and if we and you know if we can we we're
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going to do the best we can at that.
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Man, I'll tell you what. Bye.
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You took every dart I threw you. I asked everything and I want
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to. I want to thank you Brian for
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coming on. This is an emergency press
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conference as we kind of joke around and say I've been working
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on my modified I'm getting ready for this Saturday night at Kenny
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Schrader Ray Mahler's I-55 Raceway.
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So we have our opener. I'm super excited to race this
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Saturday with my with my my Jags.
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That's my late model that I ran, but I my modified and Brian,
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thank you for taking all the darts and I think I did every
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disclaimer. I think you did too.
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And I like like a big family that does a lot of arguing.
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Hope for everybody that loves each other as we start racing.
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Racing's right around the corner.
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Yeah, it's it's a great. It's great to have so many
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people so passionate about what we do and just trying to guide
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it in the best way that we know how to do it.
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You know, I'm very proud of our team and I'm proud of all of our
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racers. Actually, I've got a lot of
25:47
calls from tracks and trying to help them implement a process
25:50
because they don't want this in their pit area either, including
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Mr. Schrader and Mr. Marler. So it's a it's a it's again a a
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constant evolution of the sport and constant evolution.
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The racers want to play in that Gray area.
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We're going to chase them. They're going to run outrun us a
26:04
little bit just like the last show and and in the end of the
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day we all want the same thing. We want to enjoy our lifestyle
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of racing and entertain some race fans and have a good time
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with our friends and it's it's the same way for us here at War
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Racing. Group All right, everybody,
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let's wrap it up. This is it.
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It's over. So Bobby Pierce, Devon Moran,
26:23
Kyle Bronson. The the fines, the points have
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been upheld. However, the Independent Appeals
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Commission felt that not letting them race was too much.
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So they are going to be able to race.
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All right, everybody. Remember, we are in podcast
26:42
form. We are on iTunes and Spotify.
26:45
You can listen to this development, developing news on
26:49
your way to work and on your way home.
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And Brian, I guess I'll see you at the races, my friend.
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Can't wait. We'll see you soon.
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Thanks, Kenny. Goodbye everybody.