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'Supermom' Sherri Papini Hubby 'Blindsided' Again · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 2: Imagine leaving your husband and children to suffer the unthinkable,
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Speaker 2: to believe mommy has been kidnapped, possibly even dead, and
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Speaker 2: to let that suffering go on for weeks. Well, that
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Speaker 2: is exactly what kidnapp fraudster Sherry Peppini did when she
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Speaker 2: pretended to have been kidnapped while taking a jog, leaving
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Speaker 2: her entire family, including children, husband, extended relatives to suffer,
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Speaker 2: only to find out she was hold up at her
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Speaker 2: boyfriend's house the whole time, then coming up with a
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Speaker 2: big lie, blaming two Hispanic women for the kidnap, even
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Speaker 2: starving herself, losing tens and tens of pounds bruises she
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Speaker 2: put on her face and body, even believe it or not,
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Speaker 2: branding herself. She branded her own skin as if the
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Speaker 2: quote kidnappers did it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean it goes on and on. But that said, now.
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Speaker 2: She's back in court again, demanding thirty thousand dollars. You
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Speaker 2: heard me right, kidnapped fraudster shehery Peppinie in court, poor mouthing,
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Speaker 2: demanding thirty thousand dollars. You know what she owes everybody,
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Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars for the pain and suffering she put
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Speaker 2: everybody through, much less the fact that she took away
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Speaker 2: time from real crime victims for herself centered Let me
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Speaker 2: just say, Lark, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. Why is Sherry Peppinie
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Speaker 2: in court whining she wants thirty grand because she's in
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Speaker 2: a custody battle against her ex husband g who should
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Speaker 2: have custody the loving father that supported the family or
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Speaker 2: the mom that freaked everybody up she had been kidnapped.
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Speaker 2: She's in court actually demanding he pay her thirty thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars in legal fees.
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Speaker 1: And the whole time she's.
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Speaker 2: Living in a luxurious for bedroom home owned by her
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Speaker 2: new boyfriend. Wow does he not have the Internet? Whatever
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Speaker 2: she claims, she only makes one thousand dollars a month
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Speaker 2: from a job and living with the boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: You heard me right.
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Speaker 2: California's Sherry Peppini faked her own kidnap and it was
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Speaker 2: kind of a gone girl style plot, and now she's
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Speaker 2: chasing down the husband she hoodwinked for lack of the
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Speaker 2: better term, she faked out for thirty grand to cover
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Speaker 2: legal fees and for the cost of a custody fight
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Speaker 2: she started. Now keep in mind all this is while
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Speaker 2: she's living a luxury life, the entire thing bankrolled by
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Speaker 2: her big bucks new lover. Now, Peppini was jailed back
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two over the plot. The plot she
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Speaker 2: cooked up where she vanished and I'm saying that with
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Speaker 2: big air quotes for three weeks. Then she lied to
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Speaker 2: police and to her husband about the fake kidnapping. Okay,
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Speaker 2: instead the whole time she was shacked up with an
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Speaker 2: ex boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: Now now she's living.
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Speaker 2: In a nearly million dollar mansion paid for by her boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: Who is he?
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Speaker 2: He is a widowed car dealer from Orland, California. And ps,
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Speaker 2: she's driving a brand new Jeep SUV. Wonder where that
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Speaker 2: came from. Let's just say she doesn't have any car payments.
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Speaker 2: But let me take you back to the time of
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Speaker 2: the kidnap. Well, I can't even see kidnap, of the fakery,
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Speaker 2: what happened? Let me just jog your memory because guess
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Speaker 2: what we have today for your viewing and listening pleasure.
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Speaker 2: Videotapes of Peppini sticking to her lies. She is in
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Speaker 2: interrogation after interrogation after interrogation.
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Speaker 1: I just can't stop looking at the lies.
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Speaker 2: This woman just comes from her mouth and she fully
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Speaker 2: expects everybody to believe her. But this is where it
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Speaker 2: all started. Take a listener. Our friends karc R.
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Speaker 3: Keith Pappini came home last Wednesday and his wife, Sherry Pappini,
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Speaker 3: was nowhere to be found.
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Speaker 4: In normal days, I would open the door and my
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Speaker 4: families comes and runs and gives me a hug.
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Speaker 3: But there were no welcoming hugs. So he searched in
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Speaker 3: the house and their property, but learned the children were
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Speaker 3: still at daycare. He found Sherry's phone down the street.
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Speaker 4: That's when I knew she had been, in my opinion,
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Speaker 4: taken or abducted.
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Speaker 3: Now days later, family, friends, the community, and law enforcement
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Speaker 3: are still looking for Sherry.
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Speaker 4: It's the worst thing in the world. It's the worst
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Speaker 4: thing ever.
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Speaker 3: Time going by slowly and their children don't know their
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Speaker 3: mother is missing.
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Speaker 1: It's hard waiting.
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Speaker 4: You know, you're waiting. You're waiting for a phone call,
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Speaker 4: You're waiting for something to tell us you know, this
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Speaker 4: is the direction, or this is the house, or this
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Speaker 4: is the car, and that is that is very difficult
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Speaker 4: right now, but.
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Speaker 3: Keith is determined to find her.
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Speaker 4: If she was listening, I wanted to say that we're
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Speaker 4: trying the best we can, and I'm so sorry that
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Speaker 4: I'm not there.
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Speaker 3: The family believes she was abducted and has this message.
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Speaker 5: Bring her home, bring her home?
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Speaker 1: Does bring her home?
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Speaker 2: Okay? I almost made a smart alic crack about waiting, waiting, waiting,
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Speaker 2: waiting for what you're lying wife to call him and say, oh, honey,
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Speaker 2: I fed up, But then I heard his voice crack,
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Speaker 2: and it reminded me of all the suffering that he
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Speaker 2: and his children and all Papini's family went through.
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Speaker 1: Daring your her hoax.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm going to introduce a whole panel, but let
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Speaker 2: me go first to Joseph Scott Morgan, professor Forrensis Jacksonville
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Speaker 2: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. He's
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Speaker 2: a star of a brand new hit series called body
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Speaker 2: Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart and Elsewhere. It's great,
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, I remember, at the beginning, the very beginning,
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Speaker 2: when Pepini went missing, you and I talked and I said,
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Speaker 2: you know something that's really bothering me about this whole thing.
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Speaker 1: About the kidnap thing.
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Speaker 2: Is that her phone was placed carefully on the ground.
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Speaker 2: It was placed somewhere where it would be found, and
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Speaker 2: it wasn't just thrown into the brush. And not only that,
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Speaker 2: the earbuds were attached with a wire and they were
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Speaker 2: wrapped very neatly around the phone and then play there.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, that one detail that doesn't
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Speaker 2: fit And I'm telling you, one detail can break a case.
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Speaker 6: Joe Scott can and a neat little feature that was
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Speaker 6: involved with this were a few strands for hair that
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Speaker 6: were caught up in that. And I look at this
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Speaker 6: now retrospectively, and I wonder, you know what, I wonder
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Speaker 6: if this was planned as well?
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Speaker 5: You rip some hair out of there. Yeah, you're pulling
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Speaker 5: your own hair out, and.
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Speaker 6: You're gonna wad it up in there too, neatly place
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Speaker 6: it out side of the road, because they use that
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Speaker 6: where's my iPhone out?
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Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that Jack pulling her hair
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Speaker 2: out in addition to branding herself and breaking her own nose. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I'd love to gab with you, but let's move forward
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Speaker 2: and take a listen to Alice and sudden this.
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Speaker 1: Is the woman that sees BUTPEDI by the side of
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Speaker 1: the road.
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Speaker 7: I saw her very very quickly. Her face looked I
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Speaker 7: thought her face was dirty, but based on what I
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Speaker 7: know now, I'm guessing that what I thought was dirt
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Speaker 7: on her face was the bruises restraints. It was so dark,
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Speaker 7: I barely barely saw her. And like I said, it
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Speaker 7: was a flash because that area is so dark.
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Speaker 2: Four thirty in the morning, Peppini is out wandering the streets,
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Speaker 2: covered in bruises and still in restraints. So just add
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Speaker 2: that to the listings restrained herself.
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Speaker 1: Now it keeps going. Listen to our friends at GMA.
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Speaker 8: Puppini seemingly disappeared in November of twenty sixteen, reappearing three
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Speaker 8: weeks later badly injured, claiming she was abducted by two
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Speaker 8: Hispanic women and physically and emotionally tortured, beaten, and drugged.
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Speaker 8: Her husband Keith, speaking exclusively to ABC News just days
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Speaker 8: after they were reunited at the hospital.
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Speaker 4: Well, the officers kind of like braced me and kind
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Speaker 4: of put his arm around me, and he said, you know,
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Speaker 4: prepare yourself. She's alive and you just got to be happy.
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Speaker 4: And they branded her and in her poor face got
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Speaker 4: like nauseat and just looking at her, it's so hard
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Speaker 4: for me to see her like they had And bruises
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Speaker 4: were just intends, the bumps from you know, being hitting,
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Speaker 4: kicked in whatever else you.
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Speaker 2: Know, do Doctor Angela Arnold, we're making light of it
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Speaker 2: because we know Sherry the pain. He's a big liar
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Speaker 2: and she costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to law enforcement.
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Speaker 2: But did you hear the husband? And what about the children?
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Speaker 2: They're going to remember the rest of their lives. Mommy
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Speaker 2: went missing and she.
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Speaker 1: Faked the whole thing.
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Speaker 9: Well, and I think, how can you do that to
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Speaker 9: your children? And I think the sad thing too, is Nancy,
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Speaker 9: what are they ever going to believe? What are they
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Speaker 9: ever going to be able to believe in their lives?
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Speaker 10: Again?
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Speaker 9: She has left them all with this hole inside of
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Speaker 9: them that they're not going to be able to believe.
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Speaker 9: She is cridwolf. They're not going to be able to
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Speaker 9: believe as someone is telling the truth.
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Speaker 2: Hey, doctor an Doughter, Angie, you've got to hear her
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Speaker 2: words from the horse's mouth. Doctor Angela Arnold with me,
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Speaker 2: renowned psychiatrist out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold md dot com. Guys,
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Speaker 2: take a listen to Sherry Peppini, so call super Mom
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Speaker 2: describing the chain the two Hispanic women. Remember, guys, they
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Speaker 2: didn't exist. She nearly got women arrested. They kind of
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Speaker 2: fit her fate composite, the imaginary Hispanic women placed imaginary
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Speaker 2: chains around her waist, and she says this with his
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Speaker 2: straight face.
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Speaker 1: Listen, these are our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 5: There was a chain around my waist. Do you know
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Speaker 5: what what you were affixed to? Was it tether? Was
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Speaker 5: it like a robe? A metal cable? About the bathroom? Teleclay?
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Speaker 5: It just was a standard.
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Speaker 11: There was a crack in the tile.
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Speaker 5: It was a light colored tile that was speckled. There
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Speaker 5: was a crack in the tile.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Sherry Peppini just cannot stay
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Speaker 2: out of the headlines, and not in a good way.
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Speaker 2: Despite her extremely silverspoon privileged lifestyle. She has now gone
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Speaker 2: into court and planed poverty and trying to force her
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Speaker 2: ex husband, you know, the one she faked out, the
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Speaker 2: one who was crying and upset on TV begging for
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Speaker 2: her return. That guy to cough up thirty grand to
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Speaker 2: pay for her share of a legal fight for custody,
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Speaker 2: a fight that she started. Now, remember Puppini convicted back
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two for faking the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: What more does her husband have to endure? Now?
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Speaker 2: The husband, Keith Pappenie, is vehemently opposed to giving Sherry Pepini,
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Speaker 2: his ex any more access to their children.
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Speaker 1: He wants her to see a shrink.
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Speaker 2: Do you blame him and undergo a psychological evaluation and
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Speaker 2: be barred from seeing the children unsupervised? Now, I gotta
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Speaker 2: tell you this is conjuring up images of Josh Powell. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Josh Powell. I don't know if that's ringing a bell
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Speaker 2: to you. Josh Powell, I'm convinced murdered his wife. He
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Speaker 2: murdered the mother of his two little boys. His wife,
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Speaker 2: Susan Powell, a wonderful lady.
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Speaker 1: She went missing in.
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Speaker 2: The middle of the night with some bogus story by
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Speaker 2: Josh Powell that they went camping in sub zero temperatures
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Speaker 2: with their little boys in toe.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that and happen She's dead.
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Speaker 2: And when friendsic Specialists asked the little boys what happened,
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Speaker 2: they drew pictures of mommy in the car trunk and
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Speaker 2: then they said, mommy's in the crystal minds. In other words,
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Speaker 2: their dad killed her and upped her body. That's what
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Speaker 2: that means. Anyway, back to Peppini in the Josh Powell case,
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Speaker 2: he was supposed to have supervised visitation with the boys.
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Speaker 1: What happened?
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Speaker 2: The ding Dong defects worker takes the boys to his
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Speaker 2: front door. He snatches them inside, then he kills them
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Speaker 2: both with an axe and blows up the house. Thanks
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Speaker 2: de Facts, you score it again in this case here
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Speaker 2: with Sherry Peppini, she needs a psychological evaluation to make
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Speaker 2: sure that she can take care of those children, and
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Speaker 2: she should never never see them unsupervised after what she did.
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Speaker 2: She treaked the whole country, Cops, all sorts of law enforcement,
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Speaker 2: her family, her husband, all for attention. Oh hln, No,
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Speaker 2: she is not having unsupervised visitation. But let me jog
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Speaker 2: your memory again about what happened when Sherry Peppeni quote
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Speaker 2: went missing end quote.
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Speaker 1: Wendy, thanks for making time to be with us.
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Speaker 2: You know, I always look for stories if I'm deciding
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Speaker 2: about credibility of a witness, and I have directed and
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Speaker 2: cross examined over ten thousand witnesses in one way or another,
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Speaker 2: whether it's a motion to suppress, whether it's some other
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Speaker 2: sort of preliminary motion, whether it's a witness trial. It
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Speaker 2: goes on and on. You know, they really rack up
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Speaker 2: Wendy when you're trying cases. But long story short, I
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Speaker 2: look for richness in detail. Like if some if Jackie
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Speaker 2: were telling me, oh, I'm going to be late to
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Speaker 2: the studio today, I'm like, why long pause?
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Speaker 1: Car problems? What kind of problem? Flat? Where are you?
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Speaker 1: Big long pause? Are Mike? Wait? Weren't you taking an
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Speaker 1: ober this week? Bigger pause?
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Speaker 2: So if you question and you're looking for detail, it's
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Speaker 2: not that hard to crack a story. And this woman
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Speaker 2: is full of details, right down to the crack and
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Speaker 2: the tile.
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Speaker 12: And you know, Nancy, that really was what broke the
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Speaker 12: story for investigators is there was so much details. There
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Speaker 12: was an overabundance of dramatic detail that actually ended up
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Speaker 12: being suspicious. It wasn't an issue of pausing. It was
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Speaker 12: almost an issue of having precreated this, hope, this story
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Speaker 12: that was just a little too fantastic. And as you mentioned,
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Speaker 12: investigators no not only what to look for, what to
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Speaker 12: ask about, but then how to compare the way a
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Speaker 12: story changes and all of those details made her recitation
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Speaker 12: suspicious right from the beginning.
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Speaker 2: I never have a problem with the witness adding to
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Speaker 2: the story because under the correct questioning they may say, well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: and she gave me a diet coke, or she this
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Speaker 2: or she that under the right questioning, But to actually
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Speaker 2: change the story as a whole other can worms. And
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Speaker 2: you hit the nail on the head when you said drama.
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Speaker 2: Let's hear more from Sherry peppeni But what about this rope,
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Speaker 2: this chain, and what about the so called boyfriend, the
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Speaker 2: ex boyfriend she's somehow convinced to join her in her
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Speaker 2: crazy scheme.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our buddy, Matt Gutman it.
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Speaker 13: Over the next six years, investigators would piece together how
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Speaker 13: Peppenie had lied about everything from her fictional abduction to
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Speaker 13: injuries which were largely self inflicted DNA from her clothing,
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Speaker 13: eventually leading them to her ex boyfriend, James Rayes.
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Speaker 5: I didn't get that her, you know, I just friend
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Speaker 5: in need asking pro and that was that? What did
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Speaker 5: she say? She was ranging away from her resident are
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Speaker 5: having d two here? Hasn't read for you. I don't
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Speaker 5: know what her jale.
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Speaker 14: Was look at my room in the closet, and I'm
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Speaker 14: sure Sip it's the same as she described it.
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Speaker 1: Ding ding ding ding ding.
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Speaker 9: This apartment, this closet, and this bathroom.
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Speaker 2: Looked just like the place that Sherry says she was
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Speaker 2: held captive. Wow, where the two Hispanic women hailed her
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Speaker 2: captive and starved her and bade her looks just like
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Speaker 2: the inside of her ex boyfriend's apartment where she hid out.
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Speaker 1: Take a listener.
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Speaker 13: More authority say Pepped's allegations of abuse against her husband
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Speaker 13: were unfounded and that James Reyes had no knowledge of
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Speaker 13: her plan, and with Rais's cooperation, investigators now believed they
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Speaker 13: had solid proof Sheriff Peppedi's kidnapping was a hoax that was.
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Speaker 5: On you belongs to James Race. You talked to him.
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Speaker 15: We've been on a polygraph. We talked to everybody around him.
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Speaker 15: We have the rental agreements, phone mental the car mental agreements.
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Speaker 15: The reason why you lost so much weight is because
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Speaker 15: you stopped eating. The reason why the brand is because
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Speaker 15: he went to the store and bought the brand Natols
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Speaker 15: and branded you. The reason why your nose was broken
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Speaker 15: it is because of a hot stick.
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Speaker 2: Well, so she branded herself and broke her own nose
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Speaker 2: with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave Matt Dave,
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Speaker 2: Where do you get a brand? I mean, I've been
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Speaker 2: in plenty of hardware stores, but a brand.
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Speaker 10: Actually, Nancy, it was a woodburning kit. Remember the little
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Speaker 10: kits we buy for our children where they can make
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Speaker 10: their own little designs with the little hating element and
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Speaker 10: little yes, a kind of that's what they used. And
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Speaker 10: actually they picked out it was a woodburning kit. And
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Speaker 10: then that kit it has certain symbols and in this
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Speaker 10: particular case, letters and numbers, and that's what they used.
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Speaker 2: Look, I know she's cost a lot of pain, but
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Speaker 2: a kid's woodburning kit?
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Speaker 1: Jack, did you hear that? Do we know what symbols
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Speaker 1: she used?
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Speaker 2: It was always kind of held tight to the vest. Okay,
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Speaker 2: you pull it up, guys, I want to skip forward
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Speaker 2: to our cut sixty five. I've got to hear more
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Speaker 2: of Sherry Peppenie and you let me know when you
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Speaker 2: find out what the brand was. Anybody that finds out
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Speaker 2: what it is, jump in and remember, guests.
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Speaker 1: This is not Tea at High Grove. Okay.
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Speaker 10: Jump in the Bible verse was Exodus twenty one sixteen.
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Speaker 2: Exodus twenty one sixteen. I know Bob's Bible scholar.
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Speaker 1: What's Exodus twenty one sixteen? What does that mean?
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Speaker 10: It's actually it's actually about kidnapping the oh.
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Speaker 1: Dear Lord, and she dragged the Bible into it.
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Speaker 10: Yes, And the Exodus twenty one sixteen is anyone who
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Speaker 10: kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the
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Speaker 10: victim has been sold or is still in the kidnappers possession.
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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that tidbit.
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Speaker 2: Let's go forward with Sherry Peppini under inch irrigation by
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Speaker 2: Shasta County Sheriff's detect is this is our cut sixty five.
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Speaker 16: She's the reason what to men that she means the
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Speaker 16: younger one letter ago? Right, So we're referring to we're
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Speaker 16: not gonna find her, and we can we can just skip.
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Speaker 5: To we can skip to the rock into the water
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Speaker 5: and ruffle up upon if we want to now again,
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Speaker 5: this is your last opera. This is the last time
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Speaker 5: if you want to do this alone or with Keith.
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Speaker 5: Keith spinning through this also on a different level.
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Speaker 15: So I'm I'm ready just to I'm ready to move
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Speaker 15: on and throw.
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Speaker 5: The dark and throw the rock and see what happens
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Speaker 5: for the water. But sure, look at me, what do
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Speaker 5: you want? I don't want her to get in trouble.
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Speaker 5: She's not gonna get in trouble.
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Speaker 17: So the DNA came back to James Rid okay, So
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Speaker 17: she's sticking to her story. DNA is found connected to
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Speaker 17: Sherry Peppenie that no doubt about it is her ex
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Speaker 17: boyfriend James Rays.
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Speaker 1: But she is sticking to her story.
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Speaker 2: What is she saying, Dave Max, She's saying, I don't
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Speaker 2: want her to get in trouble, and she says it,
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Speaker 2: so call me. Is she still she's going down with
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Speaker 2: a ship about the two Hispanic women.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, And what she had told you that previously was
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Speaker 10: that the younger of the two Hispanic women held a
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Speaker 10: gun and told her to leave, and saying that it
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Speaker 10: was the younger of the two kidnappers that actually let
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Speaker 10: her go. And as she says, you know, giving me
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Speaker 10: the chance to see my children.
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Speaker 2: Now think about it. Sherry Pepinie is living in a
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Speaker 2: million dollar home. But now not only is she demanding
21:43
Speaker 2: thirty grand, she's asking well demanding the ex husband hand
21:48
Speaker 2: over in a ray of items from their marital home
21:51
Speaker 2: for instance, Grandpa's truck, an inflatable water slide, go buy
21:57
Speaker 2: one at Target, woman Alia Blower, and.
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Speaker 1: A smart TV.
22:02
Speaker 2: You know what, As far as I'm concerned, she gave
22:05
Speaker 2: up rights to any marital property when she pulled her
22:08
Speaker 2: stunt an expense declaration. We managed to get our mits
22:13
Speaker 2: on shows. Peppini claims to have an income of one
22:16
Speaker 2: thousand grand a month. You know what, get a second job, woman.
22:20
Speaker 2: She had been awarded ten grand in her divorce. In
22:23
Speaker 2: order to pay half a three thousand dollars debt, she
22:27
Speaker 2: racked up on a best Buy credit card. She did
22:31
Speaker 2: that after she was arrested April twenty twenty two. Who
22:35
Speaker 2: is her landlord? Her new boyfriend, that is her landlord,
22:41
Speaker 2: a widowed car dealer man. This girl, she jumps from
22:46
Speaker 2: one pot of honey into the next. The four bedroom
22:50
Speaker 2: home where she's living has a rental value of over
22:54
Speaker 2: three grand a month. Now, that's according to Zillo, that's
22:58
Speaker 2: over six times what she claims to pay to.
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Speaker 1: Her quote landlord.
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Speaker 2: Mmmmm, okay again, you have to take this all with
23:11
Speaker 2: a box of salt, and with the backdrop of what
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Speaker 2: she did to her husband and children. Let's hear some
23:18
Speaker 2: more Schery pet Peeni. Okay, it's just like the SNL
23:21
Speaker 2: quote more cow Bell, I gotta have more Shery Petpenny.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen.
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Speaker 15: The reason why you can describe the rooms is because
23:28
Speaker 15: you stayed in the room in the dark for hourd
23:30
Speaker 15: for days on end. The reason why you lost so
23:33
Speaker 15: much weight is because you stopped eating. The reason why
23:37
Speaker 15: you got a rash on your parm is because he
23:39
Speaker 15: cleaned his house. The reason why the brand is because
23:43
Speaker 15: he went to the store and bought.
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Speaker 5: The brand and tools and branded you.
23:46
Speaker 15: The reason why your nose was broken is because of
23:49
Speaker 15: a hockey stick. I know all of those things, and
23:52
Speaker 15: I know there.
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Speaker 5: Was no sex.
23:54
Speaker 15: I know all of that because he passed a polygraph
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Speaker 15: test that said it's not an abduction.
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Speaker 5: She asked me to come to give her so I
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Speaker 5: readed a car for a loop and picked her up.
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Speaker 5: He passed the polygraph test.
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Speaker 15: Here.
24:09
Speaker 2: Okay, it goes on and on and on talking about drama.
24:14
Speaker 2: So in what kind of a mindset would she be
24:19
Speaker 2: doctor Angie Arnold to literally starve herself.
24:23
Speaker 1: I recall she lost I think forty pounds.
24:26
Speaker 2: I can't remember how much weight she lost to break
24:29
Speaker 2: your own nose with a hockey stick, and to Jackie
24:32
Speaker 2: is very kindly, thank you Jackie for saying this is
24:35
Speaker 2: something I can't get out of my head where she
24:37
Speaker 2: literally burned letters into her skin.
24:42
Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, she was telling a lie and she has
24:46
Speaker 9: gotten so caught up in this lie, and I imagine
24:49
Speaker 9: it became harder and harder and harder, and she felt
24:54
Speaker 9: like she needed to do more things for people to
24:56
Speaker 9: believe this lie. And you know what, Nancy, we don't know.
25:00
Speaker 9: Maybe she got into it too. I mean, there are
25:02
Speaker 9: people who self harm. How do we know she's not
25:05
Speaker 9: a self harming person.
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Speaker 2: Okay, there's self harm for reasons that you as a
25:13
Speaker 2: shrink understand, and then there is self harm to further
25:17
Speaker 2: your big fat lie. We have no evidence she suffered
25:22
Speaker 2: from self harming before she had to convince her husband
25:27
Speaker 2: and law enforcement that she truly had been kidnapped by
25:30
Speaker 2: two women. And she says it with a straight face.
25:35
Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut sixty seven. She is
25:38
Speaker 2: absolutely not giving up with this, even when confronted with
25:41
Speaker 2: polygraphs in DNA.
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Speaker 1: Listen, that's not what happened.
25:43
Speaker 17: What didn't happen to change, there's no way, it's change.
25:50
Speaker 5: A way way DNA doesn't lie. His DNA is nasig.
25:56
Speaker 5: There's no way Robert saw in the house.
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Speaker 15: You were down there while everything is far control, his cousin.
26:04
Speaker 5: Why everything ran out of control on the initial There's
26:08
Speaker 5: no way it's Roberts.
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Speaker 14: James's DNA even collected blond hairs from the room.
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Speaker 5: There's no way. Why are you saying it's.
26:23
Speaker 2: Not jac Guys, I'm not a shriek, I'm just a
26:28
Speaker 2: jd okay, Joscott Morgan, do you hear this woman just
26:32
Speaker 2: screaming there's no way it's not James. And James is
26:36
Speaker 2: the ex boyfriend, and they're like, ms p PENI, we
26:39
Speaker 2: have his DNA, we have your hair in his home.
26:44
Speaker 2: And she's like, who's Robert, And they're like the guy
26:48
Speaker 2: that kept coming into the apartment while you were there,
26:50
Speaker 2: and you talk to him, that's James's cousin. And she
26:55
Speaker 2: she will not she will not give up.
26:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's steering straight down the barrel of mathematical probability
27:03
Speaker 6: at this moment. Nancy, everybody you see all those memes
27:06
Speaker 6: that float around and say math is hard, Well, this
27:09
Speaker 6: is the reality of why you need to understand statistical analysis,
27:12
Speaker 6: the odds that her hair would be there and that
27:15
Speaker 6: her boyfriend's DNA would be on her are absolutely astronomical.
27:21
Speaker 6: And she understands enough to know that she's staring down
27:24
Speaker 6: this from an evidentiary standpoint. But Nancy, I'll shut up
27:28
Speaker 6: after this. I got to tell you, I see a lot,
27:31
Speaker 6: a lot of parallels between this person and that scumbag
27:36
Speaker 6: in South Carolina, Susan Smith, all those years ago and
27:39
Speaker 6: what she perpetrayed. Remember she called out African Americans in
27:43
Speaker 6: that particular case and said that they had kidnapped those
27:47
Speaker 6: babies and they had disappeared. She's pleading, asking, and she
27:51
Speaker 6: gets wrapped up in this over and over again, and
27:55
Speaker 6: you know, to go to doctor Angie's point. She keeps
27:58
Speaker 6: playing along with it and burned deeper at the math
28:01
Speaker 6: reveals and numbers reveal.
28:03
Speaker 5: She was there. She knows what.
28:05
Speaker 2: Okay, Joe Scott, did I ever tell you that I
28:07
Speaker 2: was in the middle of trying a case solo, And
28:10
Speaker 2: of course I got into trouble in court like I
28:12
Speaker 2: always did with the judge, and I called uh, the
28:16
Speaker 2: guy that we were running the court together. I called
28:20
Speaker 2: him herman Sloan and it asked him to come to court.
28:25
Speaker 1: I said, bring the law quick, I need help. I'm
28:28
Speaker 1: gonna get evidence ruled out.
28:29
Speaker 2: So he races to court to help me and successful,
28:33
Speaker 2: I might add, he's a brainiac.
28:36
Speaker 1: And I looked at him and went herman, oh my.
28:38
Speaker 2: Stars, you look exactly like the composite Susan Smith gave
28:43
Speaker 2: the guy that took her children. You got an alibi
28:48
Speaker 2: because I think somebody had already told him that, exactly
28:51
Speaker 2: like Herma Slim, who, by the way, went on to
28:52
Speaker 2: become a judge not connected to Susan Smith.
28:56
Speaker 1: So yes, I mean, you're you're you know.
28:59
Speaker 2: Another one that would just went down with the story
29:02
Speaker 2: is Jody Arius. Jody Arius stuck to her story, un
29:07
Speaker 2: tell she was absolutely cornered.
29:09
Speaker 1: Then she came up with another lie. First I wasn't there.
29:13
Speaker 2: Then okay, I was there, but they were two guys
29:16
Speaker 2: dressed as ninjas and all black and they killed him
29:19
Speaker 2: and I got away. Then it turned into self defense.
29:22
Speaker 2: Yes I did it, but it was self defense.
29:24
Speaker 1: Remember that, Remember that Joe Scott Morgan.
29:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, I sure do.
29:29
Speaker 6: And this idea that you know and look again, not shrink,
29:33
Speaker 6: that's doctor and Angie's round. But it's almost like this
29:35
Speaker 6: delusional thing they wrapped themselves in. But it's not a delusion.
29:39
Speaker 6: They're playing a part. At this moment in time, this
29:42
Speaker 6: woman was playing a part, you know, running off to
29:44
Speaker 6: the boyfriend's apartment like this and dragging him down this
29:47
Speaker 6: road with her. It's baffles mine.
29:50
Speaker 2: I mean, apparently she tells the boyfriend, my husband beats me,
29:53
Speaker 2: my husband rapes me, when in reality, the husband practically
29:57
Speaker 2: worshiped her.
30:04
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
30:10
Speaker 2: In the court filings, she herself described she lives in
30:14
Speaker 2: a quote beautiful new home in Shingleton, California, where she
30:20
Speaker 2: says the children will each be allowed to have their
30:22
Speaker 2: own room and that she will redecorate them to the
30:26
Speaker 2: children's liking if she has that kind of money. She
30:30
Speaker 2: doesn't need his money. She also claims to have a normal,
30:33
Speaker 2: routine and stable job, a quote consultant position.
30:37
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
30:39
Speaker 2: She says she has it with a small La based
30:42
Speaker 2: literary agency called Lady Moon Entertainment. Okay, what is Lady
30:49
Speaker 2: Moon Entertainment? And do they not have Google? Okay? Back
30:57
Speaker 2: to Sherry Peppini's stunt that broke the hearts of her family,
31:02
Speaker 2: let's circle back to cut sixty four. Sherry Papinia. Now listen, this.
31:06
Speaker 1: Is what she's talking about.
31:08
Speaker 2: She quote, I don't want you to find the person
31:12
Speaker 2: who helped me escape, you know, the one that held
31:14
Speaker 2: a gunt in my head.
31:15
Speaker 15: Listen, we're not to a point where anybody's going to
31:18
Speaker 15: jail yet.
31:19
Speaker 5: We're not to a point of any anything like that.
31:22
Speaker 5: We're just still at the talking stage. We're at the
31:25
Speaker 5: control stage. Yeah, you seem scared.
31:29
Speaker 14: Shanks scared, but.
31:35
Speaker 18: When you don't answer sharing, it makes me concerned because
31:38
Speaker 18: I want to heal it, shar answers, and I want
31:40
Speaker 18: to be able to.
31:43
Speaker 5: Understand any way to control things your throat.
31:47
Speaker 4: You know, I don't want you to find her.
31:50
Speaker 5: We're not going to find her.
31:52
Speaker 4: She's the reason why I get to see my children
31:54
Speaker 4: every day.
31:56
Speaker 5: I agree, we're not going to find her.
31:58
Speaker 1: Okay.
31:59
Speaker 2: Suddenly, several she goes up. They say, Sherry, you seem scared,
32:04
Speaker 2: and then she says, I don't. And then remember she's hysterical,
32:10
Speaker 2: and then suddenly she's very calm, says I don't want
32:13
Speaker 2: you to find her. She's playing them like a fiddle,
32:18
Speaker 2: a strativarius fiddle. Let me add that in and then
32:21
Speaker 2: she drags her children into it.
32:23
Speaker 1: The reason I don't want you to find her.
32:25
Speaker 2: The woman that stood by while I was branded and
32:27
Speaker 2: beaten and my nose broken, I was starved. I don't
32:30
Speaker 2: want her to go to jail because she's the reason
32:32
Speaker 2: I get to see my children every day. Hey, let's
32:35
Speaker 2: hear sixty four one more time. Listen to the tonal
32:38
Speaker 2: quality and the dichotomy and her first answers versus Suddenly
32:44
Speaker 2: she gets calm an answer.
32:45
Speaker 15: It's not to a point where anybody's going to Tralia,
32:48
Speaker 15: or not to a point of any anything like that.
32:50
Speaker 5: We're just still at the talking stage.
32:53
Speaker 18: We're at the control stage. You seem scared, Shrek, What
33:01
Speaker 18: is it when you don't answer sharing it?
33:05
Speaker 14: It makes me concerned because I want to heal with
33:07
Speaker 14: you answers, and I want to be able to.
33:12
Speaker 5: Understand any way to control things you're threat.
33:15
Speaker 4: You know, I don't want you to find her.
33:19
Speaker 5: We're not going to find her. She's the reason why
33:21
Speaker 5: I get to see my children every day. I agree,
33:25
Speaker 5: we're not going to find her.
33:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not going to find her because she's not
33:27
Speaker 2: real joining me right now, a private investigator renowned throughout
33:32
Speaker 2: her area, Monyque Investigations joining us out of Omaha.
33:36
Speaker 1: You can find her on Twitter at mona Que Monique.
33:41
Speaker 2: How many times have you questioned someone and you just
33:44
Speaker 2: keep asking them questions because you know they're lying. Did
33:49
Speaker 2: you see the tonal quality of her answer shift? At
33:52
Speaker 2: first she's saying, anyone, I'm scared, and then I meet
33:56
Speaker 2: and suck it up a lot of snock into your
34:00
Speaker 2: Then she goes very calmly.
34:04
Speaker 1: I don't want you to find her about twenty.
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Speaker 19: Seconds later, but yeah, she You know, her body language
34:11
Speaker 19: tells us a lot, Her voice inflections tell us a lot.
34:16
Speaker 1: And enough right, tell me what do you mean by that?
34:18
Speaker 19: The way she's she's so calm and collected. At some
34:23
Speaker 19: point she's hysterical. At other points she doesn't look at
34:25
Speaker 19: the police officers, the detectives.
34:27
Speaker 9: In the eye.
34:30
Speaker 19: Another thing, getting back a little bit to the information
34:33
Speaker 19: she's giving. She thinks she's in control, and she gives
34:38
Speaker 19: so much detail, so much detail that you'd think that
34:42
Speaker 19: they would be able to, you know, crack the case,
34:45
Speaker 19: follow up, have leads to go on.
34:48
Speaker 6: I've worked so.
34:48
Speaker 19: Many cases over the years, over thirty some years, I've
34:51
Speaker 19: never received this much detail from any witness. But yet
34:55
Speaker 19: it's a little bit of information I have gotten has
34:59
Speaker 19: led somewhere most cases. But she gives, you know, volumes
35:04
Speaker 19: of very detailed information and it goes nowhere. You know,
35:08
Speaker 19: they don't.
35:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
35:09
Speaker 2: And what's amazing is they tell her straight up, we've
35:12
Speaker 2: got DNA, we have your boyfriend, we've got your boyfriend's
35:17
Speaker 2: cousin who will state. They're all stating you were there,
35:20
Speaker 2: and you lie to them, and she still is not
35:25
Speaker 2: giving it up. Okay, guys, listen to this. Now we
35:29
Speaker 2: see a little crick Take a listen our cut sixty eight.
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Speaker 11: At the at the end of everything, once we've you
35:38
Speaker 11: had to have known that this was going to come
35:39
Speaker 11: at some point. But then, how did we get to
35:56
Speaker 11: Costa Evanson?
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Speaker 5: How are we going to know it?
36:02
Speaker 15: There's a big jump in a leaf from talking to
36:04
Speaker 15: them in to getting in a car with somebody. Pout,
36:09
Speaker 15: getting into a car with somebody because somebody you had
36:11
Speaker 15: a relationship with.
36:14
Speaker 5: He told us about the abortion.
36:15
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, abortion what abortion? Dave mac How did
36:20
Speaker 1: I miss? Abortion? What abortion? What?
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Speaker 10: They don't go into detail on her nancy, but what
36:25
Speaker 10: they were trying to do is a pusher to letting
36:28
Speaker 10: her know they've talked to this guy, they've already gone
36:30
Speaker 10: over what he's told them, and they're telling her that
36:34
Speaker 10: we know that you guys were so close that he
36:37
Speaker 10: knows you had an abortion. That's what they were trying
36:40
Speaker 10: to set up, that you're acting like this is two women,
36:43
Speaker 10: and that James Reyes is just kind of out here
36:45
Speaker 10: in the periphery. But we know who he is to you,
36:49
Speaker 10: and we're telling you right off, you guys are so
36:52
Speaker 10: close that he knows about your abortion.
36:55
Speaker 1: Okay, now I get it. Now.
36:57
Speaker 2: Remember she's saying it's my fault because as I talked
37:01
Speaker 2: to guys. What is that supposed to mean. I talked
37:04
Speaker 2: to guys. I talked to guys every single day of
37:06
Speaker 2: the week. My husband talks to women every single day
37:09
Speaker 2: of the week. How is that supposed to get you
37:11
Speaker 2: in trouble? But here we hear more of it. She's
37:14
Speaker 2: still sticking to her lie. Don't get me wrong, our
37:18
Speaker 2: cut sixty nine fault.
37:23
Speaker 5: My fault was flirting with other men.
37:25
Speaker 1: It was a stupid thing to do.
37:31
Speaker 20: Children's understandable. Flirting with other men not a crime. Lying
37:40
Speaker 20: to me today yes, a crime.
37:44
Speaker 15: Big difference telling your story of what happened to you
37:48
Speaker 15: isn't a crime.
37:48
Speaker 14: And I know you're scared of what Keith is going
37:50
Speaker 14: to say and do, what's going to happen with you
37:52
Speaker 14: and your family. Those are real concerns, but we also
37:56
Speaker 14: need to understand the truth.
37:59
Speaker 2: What about her body language? Were you noticing Moni quay, Well.
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Speaker 19: You know, she looks down a lot, She's kind of
38:08
Speaker 19: curled up. She's not confident in what she's saying. She's
38:12
Speaker 19: giving so many different detailed and so many stories that
38:17
Speaker 19: she can't keep some of her stories straight, so they're conflicting.
38:21
Speaker 10: And you know that's a dead giveaway.
38:23
Speaker 19: And when she can't remember something, she said she sleeps
38:26
Speaker 19: a lot. I mean she said she slept when they
38:28
Speaker 19: picked her up. She couldn't give some details about the
38:31
Speaker 19: direction the car may have gone because she was sleeping.
38:34
Speaker 19: Yet she was just supposedly abducted.
38:39
Speaker 10: You know.
38:40
Speaker 12: Another thing that this is Wendy Patrick. Another part of
38:43
Speaker 12: her body language which I found striking was she was
38:45
Speaker 12: all she was closed. You know, you talk about opening
38:48
Speaker 12: closed and who's approachable, and she couldn't be more defensive
38:51
Speaker 12: and closed. It was almost like the way she curled
38:54
Speaker 12: herself into a ball in her art and her legs
38:56
Speaker 12: were crossed. There was everything about her body language that
38:59
Speaker 12: just transmitted I'm stuck on corners. She was like an
39:02
Speaker 12: animal in the quarner of a cage. And that is
39:05
Speaker 12: one of the huge tells that really was leading these
39:08
Speaker 12: detectives to agree that you know, they had all the
39:10
Speaker 12: evidence they needed. This was a staging act. This was
39:13
Speaker 12: not something any.
39:14
Speaker 10: Part of it that was credible, right, I agree? I agree.
39:18
Speaker 19: I thought her buddy language said a lot.
39:20
Speaker 2: What about the husband, Keith Peppenie, who has stood by
39:25
Speaker 2: her from the get go? Take a listen to our
39:26
Speaker 2: cut seventy on the husband and stayed around.
39:29
Speaker 4: The whole time all so I feel like my whole
39:33
Speaker 4: world being flipped outside now again?
39:35
Speaker 5: Why is that? Why am always getting held out of it? Like?
39:37
Speaker 5: Why can't you just hit me with it? Yeah, because
39:42
Speaker 5: this happened London. You're saying you can't tell me helps.
39:46
Speaker 14: That that's so ongoing investigation.
39:48
Speaker 5: So you know I'm going to find an answer me
39:51
Speaker 5: this a ways?
39:54
Speaker 4: Can you help me get throw me a bone and
39:56
Speaker 4: I go make you made it up?
39:57
Speaker 5: Is that where we're going right.
39:58
Speaker 14: Or is she trying to come over the whole Before
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Speaker 14: I can give you any invidual details. Obviously you've heard questions,
40:03
Speaker 14: so you can read through some of those, and I
40:05
Speaker 14: understand you've seen some of the photos, so you know
40:08
Speaker 14: some of the investing. Yeah, yeah, but if you can
40:13
Speaker 14: also notice your reaction compared to.
40:14
Speaker 10: Her reaction, he filed for divorce. As things sit now,
40:18
Speaker 10: he did walk away. You heard him right there, this
40:21
Speaker 10: cut and dry. He walked into that last interview Nancy
40:24
Speaker 10: as the doating husband who believed everything she said. And
40:27
Speaker 10: we're talking an hour and a half later, he's he
40:30
Speaker 10: is gobsmacked. You know, he doesn't he didn't know this
40:33
Speaker 10: was going to happen, and boom. That's why he says,
40:36
Speaker 10: you know, my whole world has flipped upside down again.
40:40
Speaker 10: And then he says, you know you just heard he said, well,
40:42
Speaker 10: can you help me throw me a bone? You know
40:44
Speaker 10: she made it up? Is that where we're going? Is
40:46
Speaker 10: she trying to come up with a whole nother story?
40:48
Speaker 17: Now?
40:48
Speaker 10: I mean that's this guy was rocked.
40:51
Speaker 19: To his core.
40:52
Speaker 2: You know, I was just looking through these documents. The
40:55
Speaker 2: penny writes, my whole life has been planned around my children,
40:59
Speaker 2: and I will continue to adjust to their needs for
41:02
Speaker 2: the rest of my life.
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Speaker 1: Really, I'm sorry.
41:06
Speaker 2: I just can't get past your big fake kidnapping where
41:11
Speaker 2: you made them suffer. I remember being on the hunt
41:16
Speaker 2: to find Sherry Pepenie, and I'm telling you this ex husband,
41:22
Speaker 2: this dad has been through enough. Hey, lady, you know
41:28
Speaker 2: what you can do with your leaf blower. Okay, I
41:32
Speaker 2: won't finish that thought. Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend.