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Hutton & Withrow: Jalen Hurts Blood Clot Controversy, Peyton Manning to Colts? & College Sports Crisis | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: So Jalen Hurts is out for the season with blood
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  Speaker 1: clots in his lungs. And he goes and plays a
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  Speaker 1: game where he can't sleep. He's not allowed to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: He's up till 4 a.m. And he's told to do
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  Speaker 1: this because it's not beneficial for him. It's a problem
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  Speaker 1: where he could actually loosen a blood clot and potentially die. Chad,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles clear the play. He plays on no sleep.
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  Speaker 1: And then they fly him back, which is a pressurized cabin.
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  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do that at all. We just
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  Speaker 1: mentioned Clay Travis Law, but some people may be calling Clay.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows? I don't know how this happens, especially in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. And here's Nick Sirianni, who doesn't handle this
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  Speaker 1: well at all with the Philadelphia Eagles as the head coach,
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  Speaker 1: answering questions about it.
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  Speaker 2: Were you briefed by the medical team?
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  Speaker 3: Before you do this press conference on why he was
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  Speaker 3: permitted to fly despite the blood clot? Yeah, guys, I
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  Speaker 3: talked to them a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Can you give us the information?
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  Speaker 1: I talked to the guys.
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  Speaker 3: As a spokesman of the team, we're just hoping you
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  Speaker 3: give us some information for the public.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, I've addressed this. I've talked to you guys about this. Again,
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  Speaker 3: the medical experts are there. And I think I've answered
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  Speaker 3: this question multiple times. We put out a statement for
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  Speaker 3: you guys to hear, put out multiple statements for you
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  Speaker 3: guys to hear. And so and I told you guys
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  Speaker 3: that last week that I was going to leave it
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  Speaker 3: at that of where, you know, where we were on that,
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  Speaker 3: because we put out a detailed statement for you guys
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  Speaker 3: to hear and understand.
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  Speaker 4: We'll go to Brooke.
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  Speaker 1: Sirianni is among the most arrogant coaches, Chad, but the
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  Speaker 1: NFL is the most arrogant. Because teams now are just
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  Speaker 1: putting out statements and expecting us to just regurgitate this
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  Speaker 1: statement and just brush it away, under the rug. Where's
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  Speaker 1: the owner of the team? Where's the general manager? Where's
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  Speaker 1: the medical expert? The head coach doesn't need to be
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  Speaker 1: up there discussing medical issues every single day when he's
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  Speaker 1: talking to the media. Teams use the head coach way
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  Speaker 1: too often to cover and just get behind and really
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  Speaker 1: insulates the rest of the team, right? I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why they're not more accountable in issues like this specifically,
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  Speaker 1: where you have someone's life on the line, literally.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we needed Matt Rule in his press conference and
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  Speaker 2: that talking about everybody. Hey, it takes everybody. Where's the
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  Speaker 2: team doctor in here? Where's the analytics and where's the
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  Speaker 2: NFL health person? Where's the person who understands travel and
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  Speaker 2: what that does to the body when you have a
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  Speaker 2: blood clot, all these things. So Jalen Hurts' agent, Nicole Lynn,
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  Speaker 2: issued a separate statement with the Eagles also. And she
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  Speaker 2: clears some things up this way, which I still think
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  Speaker 2: this whole situation is as clear as mud.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Over the last few days, Jalen Hurts has received comprehensive
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  Speaker 2: medical evaluations by physician experts. In the interest of transparency,
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  Speaker 2: we are providing additional info on the diagnosis and treatment
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  Speaker 2: plan related to his condition. Jalen was initially diagnosed by
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  Speaker 2: specialists in London with a left calf superficial vein thrombosis.
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  Speaker 2: After further testing and monitoring, the current diagnosis is now
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  Speaker 2: a deep vein thrombosis, as well as bilateral pulmonary emboli.
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  Speaker 2: He is clinically stable and has no significant functional limitations.
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  Speaker 2: His treatment should only involve anticoagulation, i.e. blood thinners, during
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  Speaker 2: this time. He will not be allowed to participate in
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  Speaker 2: any contact activities, including football. Jalen's prognosis is very good,
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  Speaker 2: and we expect a full recovery. We anticipate that he
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  Speaker 2: will have the opportunity to resume contact football activities when
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  Speaker 2: off blood thinners. In the meantime, he will remain active
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  Speaker 2: around the team and continue to condition. More importantly, we
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  Speaker 2: anticipate that he will have no long-term effects. We are
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  Speaker 2: thinking of Jalen and looking forward to a strong recovery.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, to translate that, basically, he's on blood thinners.
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  Speaker 2: He can't play a contact sport while he's on blood
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  Speaker 2: thinners because of the risk of bleeding. during the sport
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  Speaker 2: and what could happen there, but everything else functionally is fine.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's able to condition, he's able to be
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  Speaker 2: around the team, he's able to do all those things.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I can't square in my mind with this
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  Speaker 2: whole situation. You had Nick Sirianni saying, we released a
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  Speaker 2: statement saying we care about the well-being of our players,
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  Speaker 2: first and foremost. I don't understand how that squares with hey,
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  Speaker 2: there's a risk of sleeping in this. You've been up
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  Speaker 2: till 4 a.m. Let's start you in the game. After
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  Speaker 2: a few hours of sleep, he was having to take
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  Speaker 2: a nap in the stadium. They found a private room
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  Speaker 2: for him in the stadium next to the locker room
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  Speaker 2: for him to go sleep. And this is not like
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  Speaker 2: Steve McNair would take a nap before every game just
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  Speaker 2: because he wanted to. He had to go sleep before
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  Speaker 2: the game, and they brought him out right before kickoff
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  Speaker 2: to go play that game, which ended up being a
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  Speaker 2: 19-17 loss to Jacksonville. I just do not believe there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people pointing to the toughness and, boy,
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  Speaker 2: look how much football matters to Jalen Hurts. I never
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  Speaker 2: questioned how much football matters to Jalen Hurts. My question is,
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  Speaker 2: how much does Jalen Hurts matter to the Philadelphia Eagles
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  Speaker 2: and that doctor that let him go out there and play?
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  Speaker 2: Because someone needed to step up and say, guys, he's
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  Speaker 2: got this issue with blood clots. It could become a
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  Speaker 2: bigger issue. Sleeping was a risk. He didn't sleep. You
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  Speaker 2: need to go with the backups. in this situation, and
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  Speaker 2: let's save him from himself and not put him in
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  Speaker 2: this situation. I'm thrilled that everything worked out where he
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  Speaker 2: didn't get worse with this and nothing bad happened. But
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  Speaker 2: with all the stuff going on, how do you put
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  Speaker 2: out a statement saying, well, we care about the welfare
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  Speaker 2: of the players more than anything else? It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Chad, where's the owner, the general manager, and the medical expert?
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  Speaker 1: We have a head coach and an agent discussing this
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  Speaker 1: with us through the team. You know, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: realize seriality doesn't look good there, but how, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it would be like us talking about this. I would
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  Speaker 1: be frustrated too, because I'm being put, put out there
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  Speaker 1: to the wolves and I'm the only one that's actually
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  Speaker 1: answering questions as a human and not writing statements from AI.
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  Speaker 1: That's that we saw the same thing with the Titans, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like just statements and different things. It just does not
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  Speaker 1: add up to me with the accountability in certain, certain instances.
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  Speaker 1: We still, I mean, we, we, We are not far
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  Speaker 1: removed from Tua Tagovailoa having that concussion issue. He's just
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  Speaker 1: out there playing. He can just go about his day.
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  Speaker 1: And we had players crying on air about it that
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  Speaker 1: night whenever those issues were popping up and he was
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  Speaker 1: on the field in that position. I can't settle that
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  Speaker 1: with myself, especially with the way the league is supposed
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  Speaker 1: to take health because of health concerns. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: change the kickoff rules and all these different things. But
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  Speaker 1: yet this happens? That doesn't register at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is nothing wrong. Remember the Tiger Woods press
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  Speaker 2: conference after the car accident where they had the doctor
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  Speaker 2: giving the chart of what happened and we know his
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  Speaker 2: recovery and everything? We've seen medical experts give a lot
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  Speaker 2: of press conferences over the years for different things, right?
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to see the Philadelphia Eagles team doctor or
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  Speaker 2: physician give Explain the protocol that happened. What got flagged?
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  Speaker 2: What was the warning sign of this? How did it
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  Speaker 2: not get flagged until you're in an evaluation in London?
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  Speaker 2: Did you know about this before? What are the risks
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  Speaker 2: involved with sleeping? What are the risks involved with flight
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  Speaker 2: on something like this? I got a thousand questions. Did
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  Speaker 2: you ever consider not playing them because of lack of sleep?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're playing quarterback at the highest level of
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  Speaker 2: professional football. You know, this is not going out in
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  Speaker 2: a rec league flag football game and playing. Sleep is
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  Speaker 2: very important if you're Jalen Hurts or any player in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. And if you are forced to not sleep
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  Speaker 2: and then go try to play an NFL game and
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  Speaker 2: process things at 1,000 miles per hour that you have
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  Speaker 2: to process, that is a huge disadvantage. Also, did they
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  Speaker 2: give him something to stay awake more at that time?
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  Speaker 2: What does that do to the heart? There's so many
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  Speaker 2: different questions that I would have for the Philadelphia Eagles doctor.
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  Speaker 1: And, Hutton, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to get any of those answers from
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  Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni because he does not know. Here's Nick Sirianni's
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  Speaker 2: involvement with this. He talks to the doctor and they
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  Speaker 2: say he's available or he's not. And then when they
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  Speaker 2: say he's available, he might go to Jalen Hurts and say,
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  Speaker 2: you good to go? You feel okay? Yeah, coach, I'm
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  Speaker 2: ready to go. All right, Jalen's our starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Boom.
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  Speaker 2: That's Nick Sirianni's involvement in the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So he should not be up there answering questions about it.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, and he's being told to refer to
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  Speaker 1: the statement. You know, like we put the statement. That's
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  Speaker 1: what he's told to do. And we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: hear from Jalen Hurts either because he's on IR. So
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't have to do the weekly.
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  Speaker 2: quarterback but this this whole dance of like I look
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  Speaker 2: I I revere football players also and the toughness of
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  Speaker 2: them and what it takes to play that sport and
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  Speaker 2: I watch it and we all love the sport and
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  Speaker 2: we think man that's awesome this guy's a warrior that's
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  Speaker 2: who you want on your team We have to walk
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  Speaker 2: that fine line, though, of, boy, you can tough through this.
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  Speaker 2: What a warrior to get back out there versus– you
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  Speaker 2: brought up a great one, Hutton with the Tuas, head
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  Speaker 2: injuries over and over. There comes a point where it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you feel a little gross. You feel almost like you
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  Speaker 2: need to take a shower when you see a story
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  Speaker 2: like this and it's like we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: how awesome this guy is, how awesome this team is
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  Speaker 2: for finding a way– to play him in that game.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have that reaction to the story, I think.
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  Speaker 2: There should have been some adult in the room with
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  Speaker 2: an MD that could say, guys, you can't do this.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to play him. It's not worth the risk.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to make everybody look bad. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: put him in jeopardy. You need to start the backup
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  Speaker 2: quarterback in this game. And they decided not to do that,
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  Speaker 2: and now we don't really get any answers because no
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  Speaker 2: one who had made that decision is going to speak.
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  Speaker 1: They just release statements and say, here you go, refer
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  Speaker 1: to the statement. America last. The influx of international players
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  Speaker 1: is squeezing out domestic college athletes, and Washington wants to
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  Speaker 2: before their games.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Krause joins us from sportandstate.com. Karen, great to have
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  Speaker 1: you back on. Hope you're doing well. Have you heard
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  Speaker 1: the discussion we were having just prior to you joining us?
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of all the statements released instead
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  Speaker 1: of the statements made behind a podium?
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  Speaker 5: It's so crazy. The WNBA brass refuses to even acknowledge
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  Speaker 5: this national anthem. Brouhaha. I guess they think that if
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  Speaker 5: they just don't release a statement, it will go away.
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  Speaker 5: But my read on the matter is that people are
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  Speaker 5: actually talking more about these two teams not staying for
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  Speaker 5: the national anthem than they are anything that Angel Reese
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  Speaker 5: is doing on the court or who is playing well
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  Speaker 5: or not.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 5: It's just been completely mishandled from the get-go.
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  Speaker 1: And no accountability from any of these leagues anymore.
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  Speaker 5: No. No transparency. This is what happens when you just
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  Speaker 5: have a lot of gatekeepers missing from doing real journalism
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  Speaker 5: and objective journalism as opposed to being advocates. Advocacy journalism.
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  Speaker 2: And Karen, we're going to get to your latest piece
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  Speaker 2: for sure, but it kind of harkens back to another
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  Speaker 2: piece you wrote at Sporting State about the bar in
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  Speaker 2: Portland and people just unwilling to speak to each other.
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  Speaker 2: And hey, you're wearing an XXXY shirt. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: kick you out of the bar because I'm uncomfortable and
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  Speaker 2: someone else is, instead of seeing that, hey, maybe you
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  Speaker 2: the great story about the older Kansas City Chiefs fan
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  Speaker 2: and the person in the bar that they got along
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  Speaker 2: and they actually had some commonalities they didn't see before.
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  Speaker 2: But the WNBA feels the opposite about everybody. It is, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you look different than our league does and our normal
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  Speaker 2: fan base does. So we're going to discredit and discount
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  Speaker 2: everything that you have to say and any question you
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  Speaker 2: may have about the league.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's just this misguided empathy, you know, like this righteousness.
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  Speaker 5: If I show that I'm for the down and out,
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  Speaker 5: I'm for biological males that want to play in women's sports.
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  Speaker 5: That just shows how much empathy I have. And you
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  Speaker 5: don't have it if you disagree with me. Well, how's
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  Speaker 5: that working out in Europe right now? Let's look at
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  Speaker 5: what's going on in France. How is that misguided empathy
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  Speaker 5: working out for them? They call it student protests, but
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  Speaker 5: the students are not the ones creating all of the
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  Speaker 5: rioting and the violence.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Krause joins us here on Hutton & Withrow. We're
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  Speaker 1: presented by Hard Rock Bet. You had a deep dive
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  Speaker 1: on the influx of international players squeezing out domestic college athletes.
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  Speaker 1: What led you to this idea, this piece? And you
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  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on it. And what did
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  Speaker 1: you find out ultimately about soccer and many other sports?
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  Speaker 5: So this was a story I pitched to Dom during
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  Speaker 5: my job interview. I had actually tried to place this
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  Speaker 5: story in mainstream media outlets and nobody wanted to touch
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  Speaker 5: it because they looked at it as, oh, this is
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  Speaker 5: a sporting version of not wanting open borders. So I
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  Speaker 5: was a swimmer at USC in the early 80s. I
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  Speaker 5: swam with Olympians from Australia, Canada, England, Sweden, Japan. It
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  Speaker 5: was a wonderful experience. But when I started looking at
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  Speaker 5: the numbers, I realized that the Karen Krause today would
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  Speaker 5: have no spot on that USC roster because the rosters
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  Speaker 5: are smaller now for a number of reasons, a lot
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  Speaker 5: having to do with the NIL and such. And also
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  Speaker 5: there's just this influx of international student athletes. And I'm
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  Speaker 5: not saying that's a bad thing that I would have
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  Speaker 5: had to go somewhere else, but I just wanted to
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  Speaker 5: try to understand what is behind this influx. And then
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  Speaker 5: I thought, what better way than to use men's soccer
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  Speaker 5: just months after the North America co-hosted the World Cup,
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  Speaker 5: the Men's World Cup. Missouri State, a program that's three
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  Speaker 5: hours from Kansas City, which hosted numerous World Cup games,
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  Speaker 5: sparking the interest, no doubt, of young boys wanting to
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  Speaker 5: grow up to compete in the World Cup. But the
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  Speaker 5: chances of them playing at a college like Missouri State
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  Speaker 5: in their home state is really slim. They have a
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  Speaker 5: 27-member team, 26 of which are from outside the United States.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: So that's sort of what led me down this rabbit hole.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It's also, Karen, it's Missouri State University, right?
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: A publicly funded university. Yes.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: And I always think back to, you know, we've worked
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: with a lot of charities over the years and a
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: lot of local charities, the sales pitch to people is, hey,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: it's great to give wherever you want to give, but
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: when you give to you know, starving kids in Africa,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: know that there are kids in your community that don't
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: have enough to eat also. And we're going to represent
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: people in our area, in our community, in our state
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: that are suffering through poverty. So think about those here also.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: What is the responsibility of an athletic department when it
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: comes to those, that local thinking of let's serve our state,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: our community first, let's bring in athletes from this area
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and let's worry about Americans before we worry about wins
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: and losses, because we're going to go get the next
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: best Colombian midfielder that decided not to go play at Duke.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: So I grew up in California at a time when
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: the UC system, its mission statement was that it wanted
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: to provide a university education for the students in state
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: first and foremost. So that's the principles that I was
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: raised on. It is interesting. Michigan State and Washington, two
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: public universities, are both in the top 15. And Washington's
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: entire roster is U.S.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Born.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: And of that roster, I think at least 20, maybe 21,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: are from the state of Washington. They're in-state. Same with
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Michigan State. A huge portion of their roster is from
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: michigan so there are universities who understand that mission and
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: are upholding it but i think there's other factors here
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: that you've got a cottage industry that has grown around
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: the money that is to be made in college sports
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: so you have these european athletes not just in soccer
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: my goodness in tennis it's 64 percent of the participants
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: in division one are from outside the united states they're
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: in essence people who have played professionally kind of um
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: struggled and because they didn't make enough money they're able
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: through some loopholes to come to U.S. and go to college.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: And not only do they have more experience, they are also,
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: they tend to be older. Think about an 18-year-old going
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: up against a 22 or 23-year-old. It's a huge difference.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: And that's what Patrick McEnroe was speaking to when he
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: appeared before the House of Representatives subcommittee in Washington, D.C.,
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: But it is the $ 64, 000 question. What is the role
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: of college athletics, especially in publicly funded universities? Is it
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: to entertain the local populace with the most competitive teams,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: no matter where the student athletes come from? Or is
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: it to take care of local and in-state student athletes first?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Karen, I ask this because you were someone who competed
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: in what some would call it non-revenue sport in college, right?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Which is a big part of college athletics. Most of
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the sports that don't make a lot of money. Big
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: picture question here. As we move towards more of a
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: world where everything is based on the money makers at
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a school, how much money are you paying the football team,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the basketball team, and how much money are those sports making?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: We've heard many ADs say, we're going to have to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: start cutting other sports that don't make us money. I
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: hear what you just said and what you've written about
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: that 64% of tennis players on scholarship in Division I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: are from another country. And I think to myself, how
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: long before every single school in America says, we're cutting tennis?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Because all this does right now is it's a way
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to get foreign-born athletes a full ride or a scholarship
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: to our school, and that doesn't make any monetary sense
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: for us. So tennis is no more in American college
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: sports for every program that's out there. It feels like
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: we're headed downhill towards decisions like that being made, especially
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: when I hear that statistic.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: It's really interesting that you say that because at the
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Paris Olympic, there were 1,200 athletes who had some kind
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: of NCAA experience, past, present, you know, ties. Of those, 800,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: a little over 800, I believe, were representing countries outside
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: other than the United States. So this has very practical
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: repercussions for our Olympic movement. And when you look at
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: the House versus NCAA settlement, one of the ramifications of
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: that is you can now, there's no limit on the
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: number of scholarships you can offer in these non-revenue sports.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Soccer used to be capped at 9.9 now they can
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: offer 28 or 20 28 if they want but they're
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: now capping the number of athletes that can be on
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: a team and i really think it's already happened i
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: have friends who coach in the uc system and they
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: used to have teams of 25 to 30 now they're
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: down to 20 and i really do believe chad that
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: it's a matter of time before some of these universities
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: say you know This just isn't cost effective for us.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: And a lot of these Olympic caliber sports or Olympic
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: sports are going to be dropped. I really think that's
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: going to be the next shoe that falls. And when
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: we bemoan the absence of them, it's going to be
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: too late. And it's really going to have ramifications for
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: how our country fares at the Olympics. Now, whether that
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: matters or not is a separate conversation. But I do
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: believe we are headed down that path.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Karen Krause joins us from sportandstate.com. What are the financial
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: incentives here to get these players, these athletes to college
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: in the United States? What kickbacks are happening? I'm assuming
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: there has to be a matchmaker.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yes. How do they find these guys?
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: These recruiting agencies, that's what I meant. Thank you for
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: getting me redirected. I got off point that there are
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: recruiting agencies that have sprung up to essentially play matchmaker
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: between these European athletes and US universities. And in the
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: course of my reporting, I was told absolutely there's nefarious
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: activities going on where there are coaches who will take
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: players from certain recruiting agencies, which allows the recruiting agencies
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: to say, look, we have a 100% placement rate and
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: they are getting kickbacks as a result. But it's interesting
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: because I spoke to a student at Missouri State who
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: had played, he was from Ireland, played in, he had
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: signed a youth contract for one of the team, pro
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: teams in England, and they did not renew his contract. Now, he,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: was he technically a pro in the United States? We
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: would say yes. The NCAA says, well, he wasn't making
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: enough money to qualify as a pro. He was basically
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: getting his expenses paid. It'd be like being at a
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: boarding school here, I suppose. And he said, I didn't
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: even know anything about U.S.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Colleges.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: I had never heard of Missouri. I had never heard
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: of Missouri State. I had never heard of the coach,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Michael Siebel. But then a recruiting agency reached out to him,
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: and that's how he wound up in Missouri. Now, will
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: he add value to the local area?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: He's coaching at one of the youth teams there. So he's,
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: he's pursuing a graduate degree, wants to become an athletic trainer.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Maybe he'll stay in the United States and apply his trade,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: but these are, you know, we need to be at
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: least starting this conversation. Is this what we really want
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: from collegiate athletics? Is this the role of collegiate athletics specifically? And,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: of universities in general.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling, Karen, that you're not done with
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: this yet.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: I hope this will lead to more stories. There are
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: plenty more to be told. You know, Chad, like you said,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: the ASU women's tennis team is entirely foreign born. And
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: it's not like Arizona is a wasteland in tennis. The
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: weather is, allows people to play tennis 12 months a year. Well,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: if you can play early in the morning in the
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: summer months, but it's fertile territory for tennis. And yet,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: if you're a young kid growing up in Arizona, your
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: chances of playing tennis, if you're a woman anyway, at
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: your local school right now look very, you know, very bleak.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a great piece and it can relate to
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: so many different stories in sports. Karen, we had on
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: a coach here locally, Engel Martin, who coaches football at CPA,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and there are a number of private schools in the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: state of Tennessee who have left the state classification because
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: there are a few schools who are boarding athletes from
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: all over the place, and they're dominating the sport. Baylor
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and Chattanooga is the classic example. They got a guy,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: David Gabriel Georges. He's from Quebec, and he is a
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: French-speaking Canadian player who's dominating the high school football, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: is going to go to the University of Tennessee and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: be their starting running back probably a year from now.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: But there's this big debate about what are high school
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: athletics even for, not just college athletics. Clay Travis and
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I have had this discussion. What do you feel like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: if you are paying full tuition to go to Baylor
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and your son never gets a chance to see the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: field because the entire starting 22 are from somewhere else,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: either somewhere else in America or somewhere else? And they're
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: all being boarded for free at the school. You get
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: a chance to win state titles, but you don't really
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: get a chance to see the field. And it just
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: goes back to the fundamental question of what are we doing?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: What's the purpose of it? And I feel like if
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you say, you know what we need? We need less
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: foreign-born players in all of college sports. We're immediately going
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: to be deemed as hateful or not accepting of other
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: cultures or whatever. And my response to that is, is
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: it hateful to local kids to include them and not them?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, where is the balance in all of this?
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what I asked the Missouri State coach, Michael Siebel, who,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: to be fair– is very involved and has been throughout
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: his adult life in the growth of US soccer. He's
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: been a part of developmental teams. He's very involved with
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: the Springfield youth soccer team. So he's not a bad
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: guy in this, but he has a pragmatism that says,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go after the best available athlete. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: in his eyes, the best available athlete that he's able
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: to draw to Springfield, Missouri, tends to not be from
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Springfield or Missouri or from the United States. And I
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: do think it's going to have a trickle down effect.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I've talked to coaches who have said, parents have said
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: to them during the recruiting process, my child must get
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: some scholarship money to justify the costs that we have
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: spent in developing them to this point. So what is
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: it going, what's trickle-down effect going to be in youth
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: sports when parents realize that their 7, 8, 9, 10-year-old
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: really has very little chance of getting not just a
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: scholarship to play sports in college, but even a roster
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: spot to play sports in college? does that child still
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: continue on the sports path? And as a former walk-on,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: I'm going to shout this from the mountaintops. There's so
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: much good that comes out of sports participation that has
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: nothing to do with the extrinsic results. I learned so
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: much that has been helpful to me in my life path.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: And I've made friends for a lifetime during my childhood
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: participation in sports. So It wasn't all about scholarship money
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: and the like for me, but I fear that that
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: participant is going to be lost as this landscape broads
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: to include, as you said, not just college, but high school,
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: and then who knows where it goes from there.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Karen Krause has been our guest. You can read the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: deep dive on this at sportandstate.com. Karen, thank you for
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the time. Great, great job with this. And we're, we're
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: glad that Dom hired you off of this.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Thank you. I appreciate it greatly. You know, I'm just
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: a right wing blogger according to some media outlets, but I'm,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: I wear that with honor.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: If you attended a WNBA press conference, you'd definitely be
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: referred to as a right wing blogger and would not
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: be granted a question. It could be much worse.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Karen. We appreciate it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Yep. Go read, uh, more of this at sport in
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the state.com. Check it each day. Uh, bookmark it. Why
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: don't you, uh, good decision by Dom.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: You're right. Good decision by Dom to hire Karen. That's a,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that's a thought provoking piece. And to see that division
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: three in college is basically the only place that American
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: born soccer players or tennis stars can go play where
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you have to pay your own way. By the way,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: there's not athletic scholarships. It's crazy to see.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It's the Camelot for tennis is division three. Chad, uh,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: also a good decision. I mentioned this last week. Um,
• 31:53
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• 31:58
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• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I bet it was Georgia that did it. Probably. I'd
• 33:24
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• 33:27
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• 33:28
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• 33:32
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• 33:33
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• 33:34
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• 33:41
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• 33:43
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• 33:47
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• 33:50
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• 33:54
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• 33:58
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• 34:01
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• 34:10
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• 34:14
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• 34:21
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• 34:29
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• 34:33
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• 34:38
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• 34:42
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• 34:46
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• 34:51
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• 34:56
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• 35:01
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• 35:05
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• 35:10
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• 35:13
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• 35:17
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• 35:20
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• 35:24
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• 35:28
  Speaker 4: to happen. Doing your due diligence, why wouldn't you? I
• 35:32
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• 35:35
  Speaker 4: of years ago. I said, hey, would you ever think
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: about Peyton as a part owner? And he wasn't interested
• 35:41
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• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Now it's different.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: You guys have run through quite a few quarterbacks, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: you're not even sure now if Daniel Jones is your future,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: which he probably isn't. Now what do you do with
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: your running back, Jonathan Taylor? What do you do with
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Quentin Nelson, a future Hall of Famer? Do you do
• 36:01
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• 36:06
  Speaker 4: will Peyton Manning play in this? Now, I'm just kind
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: of throwing it out there. You know, we do this
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: show live, and I'm thinking out loud. But, you know,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: this is a source who just sent this to me
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: about Peyton Manning, that the first call should be if
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: it hasn't already happened to Peyton Manning. And would he
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: want to be the GM and then have part ownership there?
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Chad, this is the right call. This is the structure
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: of a team that knows how to get things back
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: on track from a football perspective, a football organization. It's
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: exactly the path that we saw in Las Vegas with
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: the Raiders and Tom Brady.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. And like you, Hutton, where you
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: laid this plan out for the Titans, I wish that
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: we were talking about Dan Patrick getting tipped off from
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: a source about the Titans doing this. Or something like
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: it with a Peyton Manning type. I think it's brilliant.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's brilliant for the Colts. We'd like to
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: make fun of her on the sideline with the headset
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and everything else. But I think this would be awesome
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: for the Colts. And key point in what DP was
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: saying at the start of that was Shane Steichen is next.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: He just laid it out. We got one out. Now
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the next one, they're going to let him play out
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the season probably. Then he'll be fired. Then there'll be
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: a complete restructuring of everything, maybe led by Peyton Manning.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know that Peyton Manning wants to do this.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I thought he'd get into it a lot quicker post-playing
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: career than he has so far. He really likes doing
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: his media stuff, I know also. But would this be
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: a good thing for the Colts? We don't know how
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Peyton would be at running an organization because he's never
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: done it. But I got a pretty good idea that
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: he's going to know football. And he's going to understand players.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And he's going to understand what a fully functioning, well-run
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: organization looks like. And he's going to be able to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: lead one of those. I feel confident in that.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And, again, this is part ownership, right? Tom Brady likes
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: his media stuff, and he's still doing that with Las Vegas.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: There are ways to go about this and be the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: football perspective of the organization. Chris Ballard, by the way,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: real quick, he left them with– he went all in,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: all chips on the table– The Jets have Indianapolis' 2027
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: first-round pick, so they don't have a first-round pick next year.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones extended this offseason. Alec Pierce, who's hurt, overpaid
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: $ 114 million for Alec Pierce. They're not going to get
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the return on Sauce Gardner that they traded away. Quentin
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Nelson's contract expires this year. I mean, they're going to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: have a fire cell. And there's an out that they
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: can have on Daniel Jones. They're going to cut him.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: They're going to release him. because no one's going to
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: pick up his contract. But they're cleaning house, and that's
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: what you have to do. Not just hire a GM,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: keep the coach, then fire the coach, and then pair
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: him with that GM who you're going to fire. Just merry-go-round.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Clean house and bring in everyone at the same time.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That's the way I think you structure an organization in
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a rebuild. Buckle up Colts fans, because it's going to
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: be a little while. You don't have a first-round pick
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: to go get a quarterback next year.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: It is a serious move. And it also seriously acknowledges
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: your own issues. And that is what Titans fans want
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the Titans to do. And that doesn't mean going on alone.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: local TV station and answering softball questions and not taking
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: personal accountability. This is a move done by ownership that
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: is going to, for good or ill, and I think
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: when you look at the Colts right now losing the
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Titans on Sunday, can't get much worse than what we're
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: seeing right now. But for good or ill, this is
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: an attempt at a reset to do something different and
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: acknowledge that you're not good enough right now. So I
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: applaud Carly Ursae Gordon and her sister and whoever else
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: involved with this decision, if true, with what Dan Patrick
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: was reporting. I love it. Yep.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: You at least have to make him an offer, you know.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: We also love the SEC schedule week to week. We're
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: going to take a peek at the SEC lines, courtesy
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: of Hard Rock Bet. We'll see– Who's favored, who's not,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and why? And our early picks going into the weekend.
• 40:20
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• 40:54
  Speaker 1: our SEC power lineup. Chad, let's take a look at
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the SEC lines that came out early this week. And
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: you can roll with us as we go through these games.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Early game this week, LSU and Auburn. The line LSU,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: 7.5 on the road, over under 50.5. I don't see
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: much respect here, quite frankly. I feel like this is
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the same setup as we saw in the Bluegrass State
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: against Kentucky for LSU.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and LSU could get their third loss in this
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: game also. That does feel like a bit of a
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: big line with Auburn and what they just did against Georgia.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: And you also said that Auburn, a little bit like
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: a northern person would, where you put the emphasis on
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the burn. Auburn.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Auburn.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: And then instead of Auburn, for people down south, it's
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: all Auburn.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Auburn.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like Auburn in that one. I think Oklahoma,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: favorite at Mississippi State, has everything to do with Kamario
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Taylor and his health because I just don't see it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: If he's playing, I think that Mississippi State could be
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: a double-digit favorite in that game if he's for sure playing.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: So that's all that is. And then how about South Carolina,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: a favorite over Tennessee after the complete flip-flop of Tennessee
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: opening as a two-and-a-half point favorite?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't get it after what we saw.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Tennessee comes out of the game relatively healthy, correct?
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. To my knowledge, yeah, they don't have any issues.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: At what point are we going to see– at what
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: point do we see both quarterbacks, Chad? I thought we
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: might see them against Alabama.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I'm less confident that we're going to see Faison Brandon
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: with the way George McIntyre played on Saturday. I don't
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: know they're going to mix and match right now because
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: George McIntyre, I mean, he's not been perfect and he's
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: not necessarily been explosive, but he's made some big plays
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: on his own. with keeping his eyes down the field
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and finding someone open. And he has been very under control.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: His clock management has been expert in that one drive
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: and everything else. He has got everything, play clock, everything
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: seems to be under control for him. So I don't
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: think we're going to see Faison Brandon anytime soon.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: He is calculated. I saw him warm up. So I
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: was like, man, this vibe seems off. You know, just,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it looked like he was just kind of lackadaisical. That's
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the wrong word. Just, just not lazy. Just, How about off?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: He's not even warming up. He's just kind of standing
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: there just staring around.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: He's cool, calm, and collected. Yeah, he was. He's going
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: to have to play pretty bad, I think, for Tennessee
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to make the move to Faison Brandon.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't mean like bench him. I meant
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: more like just a package or two. Yeah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: And you could see that. I would also say keep
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: getting Mike Matthews the ball in those packages.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: No doubt, man.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I'd rather him run it than Faison Brandon. You know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: if you're going to have somebody just to pick out
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: to run the football, he's looked really good. So I
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: would definitely do some more of that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Are we about to see double the spread, Alabama against
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Texas A & M? A little boat race action here
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: coming off of what happened in Knoxville. I got two.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Being pushed around.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I got two double the spread options. Also, I don't
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: think Texas should be favored over Ole Miss. I'll go
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: ahead and say that right now. I'd flip-flop that. I'd
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: go Ole Miss minus three and a half right now.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I think Alabama's double the spread. And sorry, Vandy fans,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Kentucky's double the spread.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: They're going to blow out Vandy in Lexington. That's my pick.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: That Vandy thing is close to unraveling. here in the
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: back half of the season. So those are two I'd
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: go big with Kentucky at home. I'd go Ole Miss
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: money line at Texas also right now from what we've seen.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: And the over-under at 52-and-a-half, I think if we're going
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: money line to Ole Miss, that's also going to over
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: in that game.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, Hutton, we put the poll question out there.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Either or, 10-2 UCLA or Iowa or any 9-3 SEC team,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: who are you taking for the college football playoff? I
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: argue any SEC team that finishes 9-3, based off those schedules,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: should get in over 10-2 Iowa or UCLA.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Should.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Based off their strength of schedule. We have Stacey Cameron,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: who tweeted me about this and said, 10-2 Indiana is
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: greater than 11-1 Tennessee. Okay. I'm trying to follow this
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: logic here, okay? Right now, Indiana's biggest win of the year,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: by far, is at Nebraska. Okay?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I think Tennessee beating Alabama is bigger than Indiana winning
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: at Nebraska. They lost at home to Ohio State. Tennessee
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: lost at home to Texas. But if Indiana– this is
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: not even them winning out. They've got at Michigan, Minnesota
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: at home, USC at home, at Washington or Purdue. They
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: would have to lose one of those games for this
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: scenario to come out, which I don't know which one
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: is a good loss right now for them. None of
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: those games. And then still– Your biggest win could be,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: let's say they lose at Michigan but beat USC. Your
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: biggest win is at home over USC, and you're telling
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: me that that's better than a Tennessee team that if
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: they go 11-1 would then go on the road and
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: beat South Carolina, beat a top 10 Kentucky team at home,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: add a top 15, top 25 win over LSU at home,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: win on the road at Texas A & M, and
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: beat Alabama. And finish 11-1. I mean, he may be
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: trolling here, but this is a guy who does not
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: want to hear about the Big Ten not being on
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: par with the SEC. And I hate to break it
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: to him, they're not this year. The SEC is far better.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I would say both are getting in. Yeah, I think
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Indiana would likely get in. Indiana's the wrong team to use.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: But to say that you're going to slot them higher
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: than an 11-1 Tennessee team is insane.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Well, they probably would in the committee. based on just
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: last year. Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm not saying that Indiana wouldn't beat Tennessee head-to-head, right?
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: But I get into this all the time. To me,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: it's not about a projection of what you think is
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: It's about what have you done?
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Who did you beat? Did you play close in your losses?
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Do you have any bad losses? You've got to look
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: at the whole thing.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And as long as that is the standard for the
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: nine-game conference schedule, the coaches, I mean, they're not going
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: to like it, but I would say deal with it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: And if it's not strength of schedule, then they're screwed.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, if I had to pick somebody right
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: now in a playoff game who wins, Kurt Cignetti in
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Indiana or Josh Heibel in Tennessee, I'd probably take Kurt Cignetti.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't change the fact that if Tennessee was
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: 11-1 and Cignetti and Indiana were 10-2, that game should
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: be played in Knoxville if we're ranking the teams based
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: on what happened in the season. Chad, I'm headed to
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: see Dave Chappelle tonight.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Are you really?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Where's he at?
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I believe he's at the arena.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, nice. Does he make people turn in their cell phones?
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to find out. He's at the Ryman.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: He did. He would stop his show and point out
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: people and the security would come and grab them and
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: kick them out. He's not going to be able to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: do that tonight. But, you know, whenever he's making the
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: circuit and the tour at the smaller venues, he's setting
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: up whatever he's doing tonight. I don't know if this
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: is eventually going to, not here, but I don't know
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: what his tour is eventually going to be put out
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: on Netflix or wherever he is for this. But I
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: can't wait. It's always great.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: We need to put in the notes right now. Let's
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: get a review from you tomorrow of Dave Chappelle. I
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: can't wait to hear it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks to Alex. You've met Alex before.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: He's in New Orleans with us. Yeah, he offered me
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the ticket. I'm like, absolutely.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Heck yeah.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Let's go. So I'm looking forward to that. I can't
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: wait to go for the bundle tomorrow. We'll see where
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Chad's going to be in the Friday night locks as
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: well later in the week. Plenty to discuss. Get you
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: ready for the college football and NFL week ahead. Chad,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: have a great day.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Same to you, Hunt.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: We are back at it tomorrow. Hope you'll join us
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: 8 to 10 a.m. Eastern. And stay tuned. We've got...
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: The next round coming up and plenty more across the slate.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Kelly and Ariel, along with Joe, good luck putting up
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: with Chad.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Congrats to Ariel on her move also. I saw that
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: she's officially a Jersey native now.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: Oh, nice.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Congrats, yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Catch you tomorrow.