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EDP43: Zátopek 10 / European Cross Country / Hawaii Kalakaula Merrie Mile / Trianing & Race Recaps · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast.
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  We are recording live on Sunday the 14th of December in the
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  evening time, and just prior to this recording we've just heard
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  some of the monstrosities that have been going on over Eastern
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  Sydney. So I'm not too sure what's come
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  out of that, but it doesn't sound good.
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  So I hope all our listeners and all their friends and family are
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  safe. I hope is with everyone over
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  there, So I shall. Welcome to the show Dean
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  Menzies, who's just further up the coast than me in a stormy
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  path. How are you doing?
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  Good mate. That's right, it's all all Four
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  Seasons today. Irish heat wave in the morning
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  and then Irish winter in the afternoon.
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  That's been pretty crazy. It was, I reckon it hit maybe
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  like 37 at one point. And then you seen on the
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  forecast it was forecast for storms and you think, how's that
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  going to happen? And then all of a sudden, yeah,
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  the thunder's rolling in. Barely.
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  We're out getting ice cream this afternoon in the car.
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  Barely got home through the muck.
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  It was like cross country. Well, I was up in your neck of
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  the woods this afternoon, actually in the in the Swan
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  Valley. Oh yeah?
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  Oh, where'd you go? Called into Sandalford, done a
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  bit of tasting. Would you anything you like any
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  red white what we what was Yeah. Oh I purchased Chenin Blanc and
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  then the guy up sold me and also walked away with a bottle of
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  roses as well. I'm a sucker for a good story
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  like I'll just walk. It'd be any, any varietal and
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  I'll just they get me with the story and I've got a bottle.
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  I didn't even like the Chenin Blanc, but he said that was his
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  personal favorite. So I was like, I'll get it in
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  honour of you then. They feel guilty.
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  They're good like that. This is good fun, Noah.
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  How old were you when you moved away from living right next to
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  that area? Two years?
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  No. I was 25 when I moved out of
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  home, so I was in the belly. Taste and then.
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  Yeah, we would. Yeah, we grew up in and around
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  friends, worked at local wineries or breweries and few
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  missed paws and yeah, sampling the local product.
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  My parents actually have recently moved to a place that
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  has a some vines out the front of theirs and Yep, come March
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  next year will be picking the grapes and apparently we've got
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  enough for a barrel which is about 300 bottles of wine.
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  So you'll have to come over at some point and sample some
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  Menzies 2025 vintage. The Menzies reserve.
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  Yeah, handpicked as well, not machine picked, so top shelf.
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  Very exciting I when there's an excuse for you to hop back on a
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  plane. Yeah, guys, I wish.
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  I'm trying to convince myself there's something nice about the
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  dark mornings, the dark cold mornings, but there, there just
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  really isn't. And like, I'm trying to convince
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  myself it's going to be like this for like another couple of
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  weeks, but I'm going to have another three months of this.
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  So yeah, look, yeah, it's not the worst, but I do miss this
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  sunny mornings in Perth. So you've got your long run done
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  this morning already. Yeah, good.
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  Up early. Done 90, just 90.
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  Easy because I had the race yesterday, which we'll talk
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  about. But yeah, moving all right.
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  What time is daylight then? Sunrise is half eight, Yeah.
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  Shit, that's a long stint, isn't?
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  It so and sunset is going to be 4.
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  Yeah, if you reverse it back to the herdsman slot of 6:00 AM,
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  you could have two hour long run done and still be complete pitch
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  block. Pitch black.
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  So this morning, like I had to go out like with a headlight and
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  the hive is on just because like, yeah, it's dark, but it is
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  not when I'm going out. So look, I'm just happy I'm
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  running and I'm not injured, so I'll take it.
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  Yeah, low blow, mate, low blow. Which Speaking of the weather
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  and the cold, dark Irish weather right now, it's a nice time to
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  just say that the beanie hats which Owen has got together and
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  got in stock over in Dublin. There are online.
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  So if you jump on our Instagram page, which I never plug easy
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  double pod. And to be fair, we always share
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  the kind of like the start lists and the live stream links on the
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  Instagram as well. So it is worthwhile following
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  along if you're not already, but you can also pick yourself up a
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  nice winter beanie hat for the short price of 15.
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  Fine Irish EUR, European EUR. Although if you are in North
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  America, like someone reached out to us yesterday to have one
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  shipped to Canada. And yeah, the shipping is just a
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  little bit more expensive, but give us a message and we'll sort
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  you out. We'll find a way.
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  I also wanted to mention I've seen this rail the other day
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  that I don't think it has too much relevance to run in, but it
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  was in my notes for a few weeks and never got around to saying
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  it. It's, it's motivational.
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  So this guy says if I give you $10 million right now, would you
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  take it? Yeah, yeah.
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  You'd be, you'd probably be pretty happy and like thanking
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  me and asking me what God has done to provide you with this
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  $10 million wouldn't. You, you just ask no questions.
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  You just take it. What about if the criteria was
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  that you wouldn't wake up tomorrow if you took this $10
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  million? All right, I've heard this one
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  so many times. Fucking hell.
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  I was, I was down in the dumps when I seen, you know, they
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  taking. It no, because my life is worth
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  more than $10 million. Exactly.
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  So you wake up tomorrow with a bloody smile on your face,
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  whether it's dark and cold and raining or what.
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  Absolutely. Let's go.
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  You fancy a second long run now? So there we go.
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  Hopefully some listeners are tuning in on a Monday morning
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  that's going to help them attack the week.
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  Also before we get into the main crux of the show, Owen
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  interviewed Adam Fogg last week which was released and I really
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  enjoyed listening to that. Got me through an hour on the
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  cross trainer and thought you've done a brilliant job there,
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  Owen. Obviously Fog Dog is a great
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  speaker thanks to his YouTube channel.
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  I think largely so. Yeah.
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  You you took him through the the interview very well and it was
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  very insightful hearing about his crossover from UK to
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  Australia to the US. Yeah, I sort of messed up where
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  he where he was born. He quickly corrected me on that
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  one. He's not Coventry, he is
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  Warwick. It felt a bit like the we're all
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  in Liverpool, sort of, yeah. He's the same place.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I can.
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  I can relate. I was going to say he pulled you
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  up on a technicality, but I guess given that it's certainly
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  not a technicality, you tune in. Dean, did you manage to get
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  through it all? I did, yeah.
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  I mean, it's it's like you said, good speaker.
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  It was very easily, easily listening, which was good and a
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  few extra insights that you what you don't get from watching his
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  YouTube or we spoke about it before.
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  It's sort of, you know, he's come from running a bit in
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  ounces doing different things and then his progression from
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  just someone that's fairly relatable all the way to one of
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  the best models in the world. Really, it's it's cool.
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  It was a good story. Yeah, I was finding myself like
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  having to remind myself how good of a runner he actually is
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  because he's so like, as you say, relatable on a personal
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  level. He's so like normal and kind of
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  like almost like one of us. But then you think, no, he's
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  he's definitely not one of us. He's way and above.
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  Got good wheels? Which, Speaking of good movers.
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  Speaking of good movers, you know, you tell me about the good
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  movers. Used to wake.
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  Well, your way of probably running about the same pace as
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  the person we spoke to a little earlier tonight, which was Evan
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  Jagger, who in his role, he has recently swapped the spikes for
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  sprouts, which is a bit of a spoiler for what we how we into
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  was our Segway into our chat with him.
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  But we spoke to him just in his recently new role as I don't
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  know exactly how you define it. It's an athlete.
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  Relation. Thank you, Sir.
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  Yeah, athlete relationship manager and he came on and and
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  gave us some some insights into the product.
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  I think we've heard so much about Gnomeo and they were kind
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  enough to send us out some product to test ourselves and
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  we've been using it. So then we you yeah, got to pop
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  the hood on exactly what what it's all about really how to use
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  it, what it does, who they currently have on their book in
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  terms of other people that have signed up because they believe
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  in the product. And yeah, it's application both
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  in terms of sports performance, but in terms of general health.
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  It was a good chat. Yeah, bonus for us that we get
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  to talk to an Olympic silver medallist about part of his
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  career as well. So it's it's cool chat and we'll
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  release that later in the week, I guess.
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  And if you have any questions about the products, you can ask
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  us, we'll probably just point you back towards the the
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  interview given we're not product experts, we're not
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  ambassadors, we're not paid by them.
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  It was purely just a chat through just being inquisitive
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  really. But yeah, their website is full
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  of science and stuff which will answer all your questions.
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  We can as well though chat to the likes of Philip or Evan if
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  we need to clarify anything I'm sure.
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  Exactly right. Then structure of this show in
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  terms of the formalities, we've got European cross country
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  happening right now. So we'll see how we got on with
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  covering those results later on the show.
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  Owen is our virtual boots on the ground as he's paying as much
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  attention to Dean and I talking as he is to the live stream in
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  the background there. So no pressure with your review
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  of the races, Owen. I'm currently watching Isaac
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  Nadir come to the field of the mixed relay, an Italian guy his
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  way in front. Callum Elson from GBS in second.
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  France in 3rd Dennis, Portugal, Ireland are back in 6th.
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  On the the second turnover the Irish lad collided into the
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  Irish woman and she fell. But yeah, it's entertaining
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  stuff. This.
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  Cheers, Jeff back. See you in the studio.
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  We also had Zasapec 10,000 meter championships last night here in
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  Australia, specifically Melbourne, and there was a bit
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  of a crazy mile race that happened in, it was in Hawaii,
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  Honolulu with the mad deep field, both from a male and a
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  female perspective. So we'll chat about that
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  grandson track back in the news again.
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  I was thinking about this when I was doing the agenda.
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  Do we just boycott Grand Slam track items after this one and
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  draw a line under it? Or we'll see how we get on I.
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  Think they drew a line under themselves, but we'll get to it.
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  Yeah, and MJ is there with his rubber, like erasing that line.
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  I won't give up. All right then let's start with
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  Zasapec. Yeah, I can.
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  I'll, I'll start with the results and then we can talk
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  through how the race unfolded. But in the men's race, the
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  winner was Seth O'Donnell in 2759, Ed Marks was second in
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  2809, and Jack Rayner was third in 2815.
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  Yeah, I can start by pro providing I guess a bit of
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  context as to what the race was and how it played out.
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  But essentially Seth O'Donnell just started driving from the
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  get go, applied a lot of pressure, established a brake on
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  the chase group which had Jack Rayner, Ed Marks and was it, was
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  it Sam Clifford or was it Adam Goddard?
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  That was, I think. Adam Goddard was.
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  Yeah. Adam Goddard, Yeah, yeah.
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  So those three were the three chasers and the main 2 was Seth
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  O'Donnell and Stewie Mcswain. And I think they pretty much ran
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  more on that that 28 minute tempo.
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  So 14 minutes through through halfway and Seth did all of the
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  lead being I think Stewie maybe tried to fire a couple of shots
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  between say five and seven K. But as we knew, like Stewie's
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  sort of not been in has been he ran one good road race earlier
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  in the year in TASI I think, But then otherwise has didn't have
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  the best race at the Melbourne half.
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  But from all reports was training very well.
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  And clearly like when sort of Jack Rayner, who's quite fit and
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  and has quite the record in recent years is not able to go
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  with that Seth O'Donnell pace. You know, he's putting down some
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  serious pace. But Stewie looked looked very
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  good. But yeah, just couldn't,
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  couldn't keep with him. That's what I was thinking.
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  I was so surprised when you you see Seth and Stewie put like 5
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  or five more meters into Jack and the Chase Park, like within
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  the first K or two. I was like, Oh well, maybe
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  they've just gone a bit hard and like Jack will just kind of
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  bring them in over the next mile or so.
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  And it just never shifted, did it?
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  Could hear on the live stream there's some comments about hey,
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  like can they can that chase group bridge the gap?
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  But you know when you're on your on your absolute rivet when
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  you're just absolutely suffering and it is that 152025 meters,
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  which it's about a S, you know, 2-3 seconds, but two or three
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  seconds over 400 meters is a completely different zone and
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  trying to claw that back when you're on your rivet like we've
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  spoken about this before, but that lactate curve is not linear
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  it's exponential. And so if you want to dig
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  yourself that hole like it's hard to get out of.
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  So really what you're hoping to do is to define your legs or be
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  close enough light where you can just let that lactate climb and
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  you're not going to have. And you just hope you can run
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  over the top of them. Or you're hoping that at some
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  point those guys that have gone out hot just ease off slightly
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  and then you can start inching your way back.
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  But it just never eventuated. Yes, you mentioned that like
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  kind of 28 flat pace. I think on the stream they were
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  talking about 66 second laps a lot worthy.
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  So that must be what kind of equals 28.
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  And Speaking of the stream, how good was Mitch Dyer?
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  He he brings the energy, doesn't he?
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  Yeah, he's very good. That's the sort of commentary
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  that you hope to have at a lot of those major competitions.
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  Like it was such a shame for that world cross trials that you
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  didn't have the same colour being given to the, you know,
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  the commentary. But yeah, where where the race
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  got to is Stuart Mcswain ended up stepping off at around 7:00
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  or 8:00 KS. I think he then stepped back on
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  to try and keep going, but I'm not sure if he just run his legs
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  out from underneath himself or whether or not he was perhaps
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  injured. I don't know.
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  Yes, I was surprised to see Ed Marks end up coming in for
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  second finishing a Heather Jack given how many a Jack one prior?
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  Was he going for his fifth maybe, or going for his 4th?
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  I don't know not to check. I mean, he certainly won a few
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  and because I was so I've got some stuff on Seth here because
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  I was having to look thought you need to, we need to give the man
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  the credit that he deserves. Like because off I found that
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  say within the past 12 months or so, when you hear people speak
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  about Seth and his training and his results and stuff, he's
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  almost not taken as seriously as the performances he actually
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  delivers. And I don't really understand
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  why but he literally is the real deal.
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  He's run a 43 second PB last night to go sub 28 which makes
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  him the 25th man on the all time Australian list.
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  But in the last 10 years only six of those have gone sub 28.
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  So like the other 19 times are from prior to 2015 and those six
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  people who have done it in the last 10 years.
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  So this is the kind of caliber of athlete he's mixing it with
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  over a 10 year period is Morgan McDonald, Brett Robinson, Kai
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  Robinson, Stu Mcswain, Pat Tiernan and Jack Rayner.
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  So besides those who are like the best of the best of this
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  era, no one's been able to do what SAT's done over 10,000
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  meters. And I put money on all of those
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  guys weren't running gun to tape from the front for those 25
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  laps. So I would imagine a lot of
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  those races are set up to run fast, whereas he's literally had
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  to do it all himself. And that Lakeside Stadium, I
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  thinks it looks like a recently windy night too.
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  So it shouldn't have been as quick as like it wouldn't have
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  been the best weather. For yeah, like running sub 28 on
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  just in general is fast, but when you have to put it into
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  context, like he literally ran it from the front.
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  Yeah, it's it's, it's a crazy, crazy result.
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  And yeah, he needs to get more credit.
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  Arms arms rolling like imperfect looking form.
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  It got the got guys that have run what sub 3:30 for 1500 just
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  sitting on your heels and yeah, just too strong, too good.
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  Was very, very cool. And I also thought like, I
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  remember that it must have been the year before last I went to
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  the Zata PEC meet in person and I distinctly remember, I mean,
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  how how could you not distinctly remember Seth?
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  I didn't know he was Seth at the time.
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  I just remember him being that guy would like the crazy mullet.
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  And like people are almost kind of looking at him walk off like,
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  oh, like, look at that guy. Like he's he's a bit muddy,
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  finished like 2/3 of the way down the field.
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  And he was almost like, I'm going to say no one, but he
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  wasn't relevant in the race. So I looked at his kind of
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  disaster pack history and he's been there four years in a row
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  22232425 and his place in this have improved from 16th to 10th
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  to 5th to 1st this year. So it's just like the perfect
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  natural progression and that kind of shows the hard work that
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  he's been putting in over a period.
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  So you would look at maybe someone who finished 16th last
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  night and think well the almost compared to me they're very
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  relevant. But in that race they're pretty
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  irrelevant. But who knows, in four years
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  time they could be winning that race.
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  And he's now the current 5000 and 10,000 meter Australian
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  champ. People's hero, that's.
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  What they're calling him on AI still that?
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  Over the gun to town on him. Yeah, they cringe.
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  Because I think they've received some criticism in the past for
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  like almost not acknowledging them at all.
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  So maybe now that they're overcompensating?
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  I just strike that at the. Well, like he's giving them no
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  choice. Like he's really is like the
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  best distance runner in Australia at the moment.
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  Like his full stop. It's a credit zone.
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  Shit. Yeah, you, you go on that page
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  and of the the nine photos you can see on the grid, he has he
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  has three. Actually, where was that Jimmy
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  Wheeling guy? DNS which he was also DNS for
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  the cross country last week as well so unsure what's kind of
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  going on there. But like, he's flat out posting
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  on Instagram and stuff like that.
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  Always excited to see where he'd end up in that race.
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  Sure. The other thing was Jack Rayner
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  never in the race, like from the first lap when they put the gap
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  on him, surely, like obviously he's thinking, well, Seth's
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  going to come back to me and Stewie kind of traditionally
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  over the years has gone to the front and gone out hot.
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  But afterwards he must be thinking that's I feel a bit
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  deflated, like I never gave myself a chance.
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  Not only did I not win it, I never had a chance to win it.
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  But I just don't think he's like, he's not at the level of
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  Seth O'Donnell. Like Seth O'Donnell is just
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  better. Like I think what Jack doing
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  like going from World Championships to Melbourne, Like
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  I understand it from a financial point of view, but from a
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  running point of view, like it's just not good.
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  And I found if you had downtime known he's building back up.
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  But like, yeah, I don't know. Seth is just better at the
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  moment. Yeah, I mean, I looked at Jack's
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  results as and stuff as well. And obviously Seth won it in
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  2759 just sub 28th and like Jackson national record holidays
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  ran almost a minute quicker than that 27 O 9.
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  And he's also ran sub 28th in 2019.
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  So he's done it six years ago. He's then ran it in 2022-2023,
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  2024. So like that kind of shows where
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  he's at in terms of relative to his previous levels of fitness.
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  He's clearly not quite at his own peak.
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  Oh. Here quick one, Adam Goddard who
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  came sixth. He bet me by a second in the
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  Gold Coast 10K in 2024. Fun fact, he's now around 2844.
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  In that race I ran 303041 or 3042 or something like that.
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  So he's literally taken 2 minutes off it.
• 22:34
  There's that positioning thing, then reverse with Seth.
• 22:38
  So like, Adam Goddard's just finished halfway down the Gold
• 22:41
  Coast 10K and he's now like winning all these domestic 10 KS
• 22:45
  and Tassie and whatnot. Yeah, and Adam, God, I think
• 22:47
  he's young, that kid, he's only like 20 to 20, something like
• 22:53
  that. I mean to be fair, you shouldn't
• 22:56
  be so harsh on yourself given what you're doing on the cross
• 22:59
  cross country scene in Ireland, but we won't spoil your race
• 23:03
  recaptures yet. I don't think they're at the
• 23:07
  same level, but I'll take any better compliment.
• 23:10
  Like, yeah. Yeah.
• 23:13
  So I don't know, do you do you make much of the the whole MTC
• 23:17
  conversation like, yeah, again last night, Stewie, whether it
• 23:22
  might have been injury or not. So it's hard to like kind of
• 23:25
  attribute that to an MTC poor performance.
• 23:28
  But like Jack's performance clearly wasn't up to where he
• 23:32
  has been in almost each of the last five years.
• 23:39
  Well, yeah, just. I don't know I can an
• 23:41
  observation, but I think maybe 10 years ago there was one club
• 23:45
  that had a lot of funding and access to funding and therefore
• 23:49
  created a a good pathway for athletes to, you know, dedicate
• 23:54
  themselves entirely to running in Australia.
• 23:58
  You now have multiple pathways either staying in the US, like
• 24:02
  you see the likes of who we'll talk about Lauren Ryan or Morgan
• 24:05
  McDonald and Ollie Hall, those guys that have found a way to
• 24:10
  become professional athletes over there.
• 24:13
  Or there's the likes of the pro clubs that are doing it here or
• 24:18
  just direct access to shoe sponsorships.
• 24:20
  And you've just got a lot more. And I mean, we talk about this
• 24:26
  Evan Jagger chat. Oh, you'll hear hear from us.
• 24:29
  But were you watching? I watched the Rio final today
• 24:33
  for the staple Chase and the attendance in that final is
• 24:37
  pretty poor. Like from a crowd attendance
• 24:39
  perspective, I think runnings come so far in the last 10 years
• 24:43
  in terms of popularity. So there's just a lot more
• 24:45
  access to good facilities and funding.
• 24:48
  And so, yeah, it just, I don't know, it might to me suggest
• 24:54
  that there's multiple pathways now for Aussie athletes, which
• 24:56
  is, which is good. It makes for exciting as a
• 24:59
  viewer. It's it's exciting to watch.
• 25:02
  Yeah, so you're saying essentially the playing fields
• 25:04
  been levelled somewhat? I think so.
• 25:08
  If, to put it in AFL terms, if one team had been dominating and
• 25:13
  winning the being top of the ladder for five years and then
• 25:16
  all of a sudden it's between 5 or 6 different teams.
• 25:20
  And then in the women's race. Oh, sorry, Alan.
• 25:24
  Do you want to go back live to Lagoa and Portugal?
• 25:29
  Yeah, for the result crossover to Portugal.
• 25:31
  Yeah. So the result of the mixed relay
• 25:34
  was Italy one Portugal came through, they got second and GB
• 25:41
  got M bronze. So I'm yeah, your man Isaac
• 25:45
  Nadir done. He done.
• 25:46
  Well on his last leg he crawled back like 4 places and Carl
• 25:50
  Nelson finished it off for England.
• 25:52
  He'll be happy with the bronze. And now the senior women has
• 25:55
  just gone live with Nadia Badacladi out in front.
• 25:58
  So yeah. That's all I have.
• 25:59
  Italian double. Italian double.
• 26:01
  It could be, could be. So I'll keep it up to date guys,
• 26:04
  but that's it from Portugal. Appreciate it on it's good.
• 26:07
  It's interesting to hear that that did well at the world
• 26:11
  champs are carrying their fall over to the European cross.
• 26:15
  Yeah, yeah. So in the women's 10,000 meters
• 26:19
  at Zata Pack, the winner was Lauren Ryan in 32 O 6, Georgia
• 26:26
  Gregic Gregic from New Zealand, second in 3210.
• 26:32
  Leanne Pompiani was 303313, just behind.
• 26:39
  And in terms of the way this race played out, it looked like
• 26:43
  I don't know how early on, but it became a race in three and
• 26:47
  those Liam was doing most of the work throughout the race,
• 26:51
  driving it. Lauren Ryan was riding shotgun
• 26:54
  in second. And then I suppose a bit of a
• 26:58
  bit of a surprise was that Georgia Greg Itch was sitting in
• 27:03
  3rd and looking really good too, was moving really well.
• 27:06
  But Liam was, as expected, trying to, well, perhaps as
• 27:10
  expected was trying to run the legs out of the the other two,
• 27:13
  but just couldn't. Lauren Ryan looked really comfy
• 27:16
  and her last lap, I don't know if they closed in 66 or
• 27:19
  something like that, but they closed hard.
• 27:21
  I think the second last lap was 73 seconds.
• 27:24
  So they're winding it up. But yeah, Lauren Ryan didn't
• 27:27
  look the way that that they finished was was all dictated in
• 27:31
  that last 400 meters. And Lauren Ryan looked too good.
• 27:35
  Yeah, tough on Leanne. Like how I guess trying to run
• 27:40
  the legs off them is the only possible way.
• 27:42
  She probably could have won that race, but how are you meant to
• 27:45
  run the legs off someone who's run a minute faster than you?
• 27:48
  That would be like me trying to do it to you.
• 27:49
  It's not going to work. Yeah, I mean, I mean she.
• 27:55
  Went to bed the right way, but that Lauren Ryan is just better,
• 27:59
  isn't she? Like, there's no way Lauren Ryan
• 28:01
  doesn't win. Yeah, like you look at say, Seth
• 28:03
  O'donnell's race, right? If he doesn't take that from gun
• 28:07
  to tape, he he maybe lets in some guys that have got thicker
• 28:10
  wheels or guys that have got that that strong continuous
• 28:14
  drive for the last five laps. So I think he runs at the right.
• 28:17
  What right the right way for him.
• 28:19
  But he has the legs. And then in this race, like, and
• 28:23
  it was the same in the National Cross.
• 28:24
  He tried to do it and it just got done.
• 28:27
  Why Ken Myers, who's just had who had the aerobic capacity
• 28:32
  that he didn't have in the National 5K, you know, so he's
• 28:35
  just getting thinner and fitter, whereas in this race, yeah,
• 28:38
  that's right. I don't think she did anything
• 28:39
  wrong. She was just vetted by ladies
• 28:43
  that were just too fit, too good.
• 28:47
  Perhaps, just maybe not quite enough pressure.
• 28:50
  Like she was leading and she was from running, but it wasn't
• 28:54
  doing anything to damage the other two.
• 28:56
  Like they were just happy sitting there, like they were
• 28:58
  hardly having to hold on, or so it seemed at least.
• 29:02
  And then kind of in that last with the old, they were all
• 29:06
  together going into the bell, weren't they?
• 29:07
  But then as soon as it hit like 303 fifty, like Lauren passed
• 29:12
  that easily and gapped her straight away.
• 29:14
  And then kind of that Georgie, it wasn't quite as easy, but it
• 29:19
  Liam was never fighting back, shall we say.
• 29:23
  So yeah, maybe if she had, I think they were saying she was
• 29:26
  running, they were running like 7870 nines during like that
• 29:30
  middle section of the race. She probably would have had to
• 29:32
  squeeze a little bit harder and maybe she could have got rid of
• 29:35
  Georgie. But I think Lauren was always
• 29:37
  going to be there no matter what.
• 29:40
  And it's such a scary thing to do that far out, because you
• 29:42
  might run the legs out from underneath yourself and have
• 29:46
  what happens to Stewie where when the light goes, lights go
• 29:48
  out. It just cooked cactus.
• 29:52
  Yep, those were the races. It was a good, good mate.
• 29:55
  And the, the women's and men's under 23,000 meter races, those
• 30:00
  national titles, they're always, it's a bit like the in the
• 30:04
  Aussie rules, our draft, you know, we have like these under
• 30:06
  18 competitions and whoever fares well and those tend to go
• 30:09
  as some of the top draft picks in the AFL.
• 30:12
  It's the De Costello and Ondiaki 3000 meters are always hotly
• 30:18
  contested. And I don't know if we've got in
• 30:21
  front of us that the person that won the the men's race, but he
• 30:24
  closed in almost as quick as I think it was the second fastest
• 30:28
  time ever in 804 and at which I think the open men's 3000 meters
• 30:32
  was one in eight flat. So he looked very good.
• 30:36
  The top 2 looked incredibly good in that race.
• 30:38
  So they might be ones to watch. Alexander Cameron Smith, it was
• 30:44
  because he the name who the guy in second Lucas chairs that
• 30:48
  really stands out. And I think on the stream they
• 30:51
  were also kind of making a case that he was maybe the the big
• 30:54
  dog in the race. And then yet, shit, when that
• 30:56
  guy hit 200 to go, he absolutely powered away, didn't he?
• 31:02
  Yeah, he was like, yeah, barely touching the ground.
• 31:04
  Looked looked very good. Apparently that Cameron Smith
• 31:08
  guy is only new to, well, relatively new to running as
• 31:11
  well. So yeah, it could be one for the
• 31:13
  future. Well, he is one of the future,
• 31:14
  yeah. Check check his passports, he's
• 31:17
  in the under 20 race. He looks like fucking 25 year
• 31:20
  old running against kids. He's a big boy, yeah.
• 31:25
  Yeah. And then the women's was drama,
• 31:27
  wasn't it? Oh yeah, That was the one that
• 31:30
  was on the line, quite literally on the line.
• 31:35
  I miss I only got to halfway through that race.
• 31:38
  Oh, really? There's so the girl who's
• 31:41
  finished second, Imogen Baker, she'd kind of went off the front
• 31:46
  and had 1020 meters even going into the last lap.
• 31:50
  And then there's a New Zealand girl who was second, but she was
• 31:55
  making progress. And as you're watching it, it
• 31:58
  looks as though she's she's never going to close the gap.
• 32:01
  And then, you know, as as the lap progresses through 302
• 32:05
  hundred, you like you can see that the gaps closing and you're
• 32:09
  just wondering, has she given herself too much to do or she
• 32:13
  going to like time? It's a perfection.
• 32:15
  And then even coming off the last 100 meters, she's still got
• 32:18
  10 or 15 meters to close. And she literally, it's like one
• 32:22
  of those where they came through the line almost together because
• 32:27
  the difference in speed that they were travelling, as they
• 32:30
  hit the line, the New Zealand girl hit the tape, which is like
• 32:34
  a yard beyond the line, like clearly first.
• 32:37
  But as they physically crossed the line, it's like, how do you
• 32:41
  split that? And I think the official timing
• 32:44
  ended up splitting them by 5 hundredths of a second, which is
• 32:48
  F1 margins. And the girl who was chasing the
• 32:51
  gap end up getting the win. So that was Scarlet, Rob.
• 32:56
  There was no sort of crossy celebration from last year that
• 32:59
  that caused the upset. Thankfully not, but our
• 33:04
  heartbreak for the girl because they were saying that this
• 33:07
  happened to her last year and she finished second and she got
• 33:09
  done lace after leading the race.
• 33:12
  So you can you can imagine the drama and the in the tone of
• 33:15
  Mitch Dyer as the last lapse coming on.
• 33:18
  He's like died. Not again.
• 33:21
  He's, I think he's calling it our Ozzy and the New Zealand.
• 33:25
  They're like our Ozzy's got 10 meters.
• 33:27
  Come on, our Ozzy. That's so good.
• 33:31
  Last thing on Zata Pack was I distinctly noticed the there was
• 33:38
  still plenty of fans and stuff there, but compared to how it's
• 33:41
  been in previous years when on this kind of sponsored and
• 33:45
  supported the event, it it seemed like it was almost
• 33:48
  nowhere near what it has been. Because with on they bring
• 33:53
  everything that goes around the running as well.
• 33:55
  Obviously the running is the main event and rightly so.
• 33:58
  But there's food trucks, there's places where you can get a beer
• 34:02
  from. I'm sure they had that like beer
• 34:04
  tunnel on the back, in the back 100 meters.
• 34:08
  They had like a DJ on after the event previously.
• 34:11
  So like that would kind of entice the young crowds to come
• 34:14
  out and to hang around. And there was on themselves
• 34:18
  would do like they had wear tests of the shoes and they were
• 34:21
  doing like the other wheel to spin where you could win like
• 34:24
  free socks and free cap and all this sort of stuff.
• 34:27
  And yeah, just from last night, I could only see from the
• 34:30
  stream, whereas on the previous ones where on I'd been there,
• 34:34
  I'd been there in person and could notice the difference.
• 34:39
  Which is a bit of a shame because it seems like from
• 34:42
  everything else, athletics is trending in the right direction
• 34:45
  in terms of momentum and growth and bringing in a new market and
• 34:49
  a new kind of fan. Whereas last night was look like
• 34:52
  it's a bit of a backwards step. Yeah, it's a shame.
• 34:56
  I don't know if it's like they need to part fund, you know,
• 34:59
  with Athletics Victoria or whoever it is the the host to
• 35:05
  find a sustainable solution. But yeah, it certainly lost some
• 35:08
  of its shine compared to when it had the the backing of on and
• 35:12
  all the trimmings that came with it, at least aesthetically.
• 35:16
  Because there is still some like on track nights in Europe, like
• 35:19
  there's still one in Paris this coming year, there's one in
• 35:22
  Vienna. I don't know it has it.
• 35:26
  I'll just double check now because there was the night of
• 35:28
  the 10,000 PBS in the UK that was cancelled last year, so I
• 35:33
  wonder if on will have it this year.
• 35:38
  Yeah, that could be an interesting thing that you
• 35:41
  highlight there is, is the fact that they no longer have that UK
• 35:45
  race. Is that anything to do with it?
• 35:47
  Is there's a lot of stuff that we don't know about as to reason
• 35:50
  and as to why they've stepped back or who knows, it could be
• 35:54
  the event as chosen not to partner with on.
• 35:57
  But yeah, don't have that knowledge.
• 36:01
  All right, then over to Hawaii, which coast of America is.
• 36:07
  We've got some American listeners as well.
• 36:08
  This is going to sound awful. Is Hawaii off the east or the
• 36:11
  West Coast? West, isn't it?
• 36:14
  Is it? W is best apparently.
• 36:20
  I'll take your word for it. So this is a very interesting
• 36:23
  race whereby the women are given a 31 second head start, but the
• 36:28
  field is mixed so they all race the same race.
• 36:31
  The the race the same route and the men essentially chase the
• 36:36
  women and the 31 second gap is set up so that theoretically the
• 36:42
  playing field is evened and they would all cross the finish line
• 36:45
  at the same time given everyone's performances were
• 36:49
  equal to provide a bit of a handicap system.
• 36:52
  And the prize money is interesting because it reflects
• 36:55
  that. So the race is paid irrespective
• 37:00
  of gender first across the line. So if the woman takes the 31
• 37:04
  second head start and finishes ahead of the first man, she gets
• 37:08
  10K. And if the first man is the
• 37:10
  first man, he doesn't get 10K, he gets paid as the second place
• 37:13
  finisher. So how it works?
• 37:16
  10K for 1st, 5K for 2nd, 3K for 3rd, 1500 and 4th and $1000 for
• 37:23
  fifth. That's in U.S. dollars.
• 37:26
  And how they do compensate the poor males if they can't catch
• 37:30
  the women is that the first male across the line gets a $2500
• 37:35
  bonus. And what's interesting was they
• 37:38
  put a $10,000 world record bonus on the line.
• 37:43
  And the context is that Elliott Giles has the men's world record
• 37:48
  on the road mile of 351, which when we read the results is
• 37:53
  slightly irrelevant. It wasn't really close to that.
• 37:57
  However, the women's world record for the road mile is 4
• 38:01
  minutes and 20 seconds .98 from Welt Edgy.
• 38:05
  Now that is somewhat relevant given that Sinclair Johnson of
• 38:09
  the US finished first woman and 1st across the line overall in a
• 38:14
  421.66, so she's just missed the world record.
• 38:20
  That was had you one. She's dirty as well.
• 38:21
  She's got popped. Was it whereabouts so actually
• 38:26
  popped? Come on, let's be real, if
• 38:30
  you're not there, you're hiding. She was the one, yeah, who was
• 38:35
  like, pulled out or whatever, wasn't it?
• 38:36
  Yeah. Yeah, fucking Ethiopia.
• 38:38
  We're going to send her. And then why?
• 38:40
  They were like, no, you're not, but speaking about people who
• 38:45
  are doping, Umm Mokateer, he posted on Instagram the other
• 38:48
  day and umm, it actually sort of pissed me off.
• 38:52
  There's probably my double trouble.
• 38:55
  Umm like he was wearing like an ASIC like shoe that was like
• 39:00
  recently released. So ASIC are still like
• 39:03
  supporting him even though he's been banned, which is, I don't
• 39:08
  know, like I don't like that. Was he always an ASIC athlete
• 39:12
  though? I thought he'd maybe Adidas now.
• 39:15
  Now he's been at six for a long time.
• 39:18
  I think he's wearing the new Nova Blast.
• 39:20
  He's wearing ASIC super shoes that recently I like.
• 39:23
  I thought I don't know, ASIC should have dropped them.
• 39:25
  It's not great luck, is it? No, so I'm not buying their
• 39:28
  shoes anymore. We just did a wear test with
• 39:33
  them last week, Ron. We really like their products.
• 39:38
  Dean and I just started the relationship and there we go,
• 39:42
  fire all over. It Nathan, probably.
• 39:46
  No. I love ASIC.
• 39:48
  I love. ASIC, you have a great, great
• 39:50
  products. We think.
• 39:52
  Still support. Apparently he's running in sore
• 39:58
  apparel. No, moving on.
• 40:06
  Been there, done that. Back to the results of this
• 40:10
  race. So Sinclair Johnson won and she
• 40:12
  took 10,000 U.S. dollars home. If she was 7/10 quicker, she
• 40:16
  might have been taken 20,000 U.S. dollars home.
• 40:19
  But she beat Nikki Hilts then that was for AUS record, by the
• 40:23
  way. She didn't get the world record,
• 40:24
  but she did take the US record. Nikki Hilts, who has been
• 40:30
  probably the best US middle distance runner in the past
• 40:32
  couple of years, was second in 424.81.
• 40:36
  So Sinclair has won by over 3 seconds to one of their most
• 40:42
  fierce competitors. So that's a pretty dominating
• 40:44
  win in a mile distance. And then Josh Howie was third
• 40:49
  across the line, first male in 355.15 S, backing up his 600
• 40:57
  meter indoor world record from last week.
• 41:01
  Josh Howie there continue in great form over the winter
• 41:04
  period. Did you guys listen to the
• 41:07
  Coffee Club podcast this week? Yeah, they were going to go for
• 41:14
  the world. Record.
• 41:15
  Well George Beamish wasn't talking to BK, but Ollie Horan
• 41:19
  sounds like Jared were both iron off the world record, weren't
• 41:23
  they? Which, yes, so Yarid has
• 41:26
  finished 6th in 357, giving himself 6 seconds worth of gap,
• 41:32
  and Ollie Hall was 14th in a 359, which is 8 seconds behind
• 41:38
  the world record. I mean, I appreciate them kind
• 41:42
  of saying that because it makes it more fun when you put it on
• 41:44
  the line. But yeah, maybe they'll they'll
• 41:46
  get it next time. Yeah, but I could, I could go
• 41:50
  out and say I'm going to run 27 minutes in Valencia when let's
• 41:53
  be real, it's not realistic. Like, yeah, kudos to me for
• 41:58
  saying I'm going to do it, but like, it's not real, no.
• 42:04
  No, I agree it's a lot of people hide behind the goals though,
• 42:08
  and like so conscious of being criticized if they don't quite
• 42:12
  get there. So I, I think it's good that
• 42:15
  they say and then if they're all so happy to be poked for not
• 42:19
  when they don't get there, even better.
• 42:21
  Or if they come on and take the piss out of themselves.
• 42:23
  Like shit, we were, we were thinking we were in world record
• 42:25
  shape. We've we've, we've had a bit of
• 42:28
  a nightmare. And like there's a there's 180°
• 42:31
  turn in the race, which totally like breaks.
• 42:34
  Momentum isn't there in this one, is there?
• 42:37
  Yeah, I think so. Apparently that'll be where you
• 42:40
  come into it when you turn abouts.
• 42:43
  Yeah. Did you see the Japanese during
• 42:44
  their turns? The pirouettes, Yeah.
• 42:51
  Hobbs Kessler finished as the second male, so good to see him
• 42:54
  kind of getting back in the monks that he finished ahead of
• 42:58
  yard in the Goose. Who was the 3rd male?
• 43:00
  And then yeah, you've got Jodie Beamish, Nico Young, Donovan
• 43:04
  Brazier, Ollie Ho, Sage Herter Clacker, Heather McClain, also
• 43:09
  all the big names a lot further down the field.
• 43:13
  Sage has to Clacker there 435. Then you look at Sinclair
• 43:17
  Johnson is 14 seconds ahead of over a mile and you could think
• 43:23
  maybe that Sage has to Clack has just had a really bad run, which
• 43:26
  maybe she has had a bit of a bad run.
• 43:28
  But then like Heather McLean, who's also down there with her,
• 43:31
  she's another like fantastic middle distance girl, so.
• 43:35
  And it didn't sage her to Clacker just finished second at
• 43:39
  the trials for the world cross. So she's representing Team USA
• 43:45
  at their home world cross country championship.
• 43:48
  So she's just won herself a national vest in a very hotly
• 43:52
  contested race. So yeah, to I think it talks.
• 43:58
  And Nikki Hiltz has been was very dominant in the US trials
• 44:04
  and was the top place American I think at the world champs.
• 44:08
  So to dominate them, Sinclair Johnson must be absolutely fine.
• 44:17
  You'd wonder how an event like this makes money because every
• 44:22
  single athlete there is 100% like a paid to fly over.
• 44:27
  That's real. Like how does and there's big
• 44:30
  prize money as well. Like how do they make money when
• 44:33
  an event like that? I wonder if there's some other
• 44:35
  races are running festival in and around the elite race.
• 44:38
  But and also I wonder how much incentive they need.
• 44:43
  It's end of season and it's a beautiful destination.
• 44:46
  I wonder if they can leverage that plus a nice race hotel or
• 44:50
  something. But yeah, it would be a big
• 44:52
  investment for sure. Good sponsors so that maybe the
• 44:57
  GST sponsors pivoted. To your point about sage hair to
• 45:04
  Clacker as well, if you look in between them, what that Wayne
• 45:07
  Colossi is, is there. She finished 12th and didn't she
• 45:11
  win or was in the mix again in those trials?
• 45:14
  So just adds weight to how well that Sinclair Johnson has run
• 45:17
  there. So she's clearly chose not to do
• 45:21
  those trials. Focus on maybe indoors or
• 45:24
  something instead. And is it where you go?
• 45:28
  And just one other thought on the men's race, the fact that
• 45:31
  Ollie Hall was prepared to come out and say what he did say was
• 45:34
  that him and Jared are doing really good workouts.
• 45:37
  So they, they, they, you, when you're doing good workouts, you
• 45:40
  know, you're fit. And so these guys know they're
• 45:42
  fit and they got absolutely dusted by Howie.
• 45:46
  So suggests what sort of shape he's in, noting he just ran a
• 45:49
  indoor record or be at a 600 meter distance that's not really
• 45:53
  ran that often. Yeah, but like who the hell is
• 45:57
  in mile world record shape in December?
• 46:00
  Like how fit? I think he's just trying to
• 46:02
  convince himself he's fair 1. Because.
• 46:05
  His head isn't the strongest Dolly, is it?
• 46:08
  Well, for the past few years he's been in his own head,
• 46:10
  apparently. Well, he says this as well, so
• 46:13
  maybe he's just trying to reverse ecology.
• 46:16
  Well, he's on that mixed relay team, isn't he, for the world
• 46:19
  Cross, So he would have been wanting a good one here for a
• 46:21
  bit of a confidence boost. I'm not sure that really serves
• 46:25
  him in that sense. Probably get over the top of the
• 46:28
  Irish and the Brits. We'll see in a couple of weeks.
• 46:32
  Well, lots of things Irish are in, some that send in a mixed
• 46:35
  relay team. They're still running on that.
• 46:39
  No, they didn't do too well either.
• 46:42
  Unless we have any more cross country results, which I don't
• 46:45
  think we will, that's, that's us from a results perspective.
• 46:48
  And we'll, we'll move into the news agenda items.
• 46:53
  So I don't know if you've seen this, Boston announced their, it
• 46:56
  wasn't their elite field. It was kind of like the headline
• 46:59
  acts. So they announced 2 males and
• 47:01
  two females for the 2026 version of the marathon.
• 47:05
  So John Korea is back to defend his title, as is Sharon Lokhedi.
• 47:11
  So they've got both reign and champions from both the men's
• 47:14
  and the women's side. They've also signed up Connor
• 47:17
  Mantz who's the reigning current American or area record holder,
• 47:22
  and they've got Emily Sisson who is the female area record
• 47:26
  holder. So decent starts to their elite
• 47:29
  fields. Very decent like, but I don't
• 47:36
  know Boston given asterisks besides your results.
• 47:38
  If it's Boston, isn't it because it's not downhill?
• 47:41
  So like, they're just going there because they're going to
• 47:45
  get a. Fat paycheck.
• 47:47
  Yeah, it is. It's like a, if you're doing it
• 47:51
  from our point of view where we're just racing ourselves and
• 47:54
  trying to post a faster time than we ever have before, It's
• 47:58
  it's a hard 1 to justify, I reckon because like, I don't
• 48:02
  know, you just selfishly and you just want to be out there
• 48:05
  getting a better time. But then if you run, if you run
• 48:07
  a PB at Boston, can you even claim that that's your PB going
• 48:12
  forward? I don't know.
• 48:13
  This could get me in struggle. Yeah.
• 48:15
  I'm seeing a lot of people claiming that CIM times
• 48:18
  recently, you know, the how that was just raced.
• 48:20
  So I mean, I'll be claiming Boston over that.
• 48:26
  Yeah, I wouldn't claim. Likewise.
• 48:28
  Oh yeah, No, no, that would. Like I'd even struggle to claim
• 48:32
  a 5K road race time that isn't like athletic certified because
• 48:38
  God only knows if it's the proper 5K distance.
• 48:42
  No, you can't climb it if it's not certified.
• 48:45
  Yeah, that's like loads of these Irish Rd. races.
• 48:47
  They're not certified. This is my I think half the
• 48:50
  that's the thing with a lot of those Victorian races that a lot
• 48:55
  of them are on there. At least I never used to be.
• 48:57
  I'm certified, which is embarrassing given it's not that
• 49:02
  hard to. You literally have time and
• 49:04
  distance in racing and you can't get time.
• 49:07
  It's the same. We have this race down South in
• 49:09
  Busselton and I've emailed the organizers back in the day just
• 49:13
  to say I'll pay for the fee to get it certified and they said
• 49:16
  no. And it's like it just, it's
• 49:20
  disappointing. You literally have two things,
• 49:22
  which is you know, the time it takes you to run the distance
• 49:25
  and ensuring that the distance is properly certified.
• 49:31
  Yeah, I don't think it's, it's not eligible for world records
• 49:33
  and stuff, is it? Therefore my moral compass would
• 49:38
  steer me to be saying, well, it's not eligible for my own
• 49:41
  personal record if the fastest person in the world can't claim
• 49:44
  it. And the point to point element
• 49:48
  adds in the whole. Like you could run with a
• 49:50
  tailwind even if it was flat and had a legal elevation profile.
• 49:56
  If you had a tailwind then technically you could get away
• 50:01
  with claiming it, but morally you'd know deep down that you're
• 50:05
  stealing one. I think the issue is like, is it
• 50:08
  the OTQ blurriness of some of these like in the, for the US
• 50:13
  folks, they can, a lot of these races allow you to run an
• 50:17
  Olympic trials qualifying time. So whilst it's not eligible for
• 50:21
  those, it's eligible, it fits in with that.
• 50:23
  So that's where it gets a bit messy, but anyway.
• 50:28
  Yeah. So Boston is not eligible for
• 50:30
  world records because Rd. world record rules require a start
• 50:34
  finish separation of less than 50% of the total race distance
• 50:38
  and a net drop of less than one metre per kilometre.
• 50:42
  So Boston's point to point and net downhill beyond that
• 50:45
  threshold. So it hits neither of the
• 50:47
  criteria. Which?
• 50:51
  Just thinking on that, you could definitely find a race that fits
• 50:55
  within that. Like what does that mean?
• 50:56
  You're allowed 200 meters of elevation loss.
• 51:01
  Half a meter per kilometer for. 20 all right, half a meter per
• 51:06
  kilometer. So you're talking 20 meters.
• 51:08
  Fuck off. But then you could do it where
• 51:10
  the providing wind is for 50% of the race.
• 51:12
  So is it saying you can you can finish within 20 kilometers of
• 51:15
  the start finishing? Yeah, yeah.
• 51:19
  So if you like that, that's you could definitely manipulate like
• 51:22
  that to get a good outcome. That's to be 1/2 out and back
• 51:27
  half point to point, but you just take the tailwind for 75%
• 51:32
  before you turn back 25%. Yeah, punch into it.
• 51:37
  Punch into it for the with the pacemakers for the 1st 25%.
• 51:40
  Then hook around, peel off the pacemakers and send it.
• 51:44
  There you go. We'll, we'll utilize the Frio
• 51:47
  Doctor and we'll be running up the the Perth coast for about 30
• 51:52
  K easy double race gone. Boys, we're back over to
• 51:57
  Portugal. The women's senior race has just
• 52:01
  finished. Nadia Bad Katie well Nadia
• 52:05
  battle claddy from Italy. She crossed the line 1st 15
• 52:09
  minutes behind her is. 15 minutes. 15 seconds behind her
• 52:15
  is Megan Keats from England. She got second and then third
• 52:20
  was this Chan girl from from Turkey.
• 52:23
  She's umm Kenyan originally, but.
• 52:26
  She won it before. Yeah, yeah, she's all she's been
• 52:29
  there a long time. But it was just a trade on for a
• 52:32
  lot of the race and then by the cloudy just put on the burners
• 52:35
  Bush. Fun fact, the girl who finished
• 52:39
  the third in Valencia, Chloe Herbier for Belgium from
• 52:43
  Belgium, She ran 220 in Valencia.
• 52:46
  She came sixth. No way 6th or 7th in this race
• 52:50
  area. Bloody hell, that's what?
• 52:55
  Yeah, two weeks. No, it wasn't last week.
• 52:59
  It. Wasn't last week game, was it?
• 53:01
  Yeah, Far, yeah. So yeah, she probably didn't
• 53:06
  even jog until like, Wednesday. She have a shuttle know me after
• 53:09
  the race. So senior man is up next, so
• 53:18
  I'll go back to you guys in the studio.
• 53:21
  Thanks mate. What's the weather like on the
• 53:24
  ground there over in Portugal where you are?
• 53:27
  Yeah, it's a, it's pretty warm. Well, it's a bit overcast, but
• 53:31
  it's not like Ireland here. Ireland where it's like windy
• 53:34
  and wet. But yeah, I've got some cream
• 53:36
  on. What does?
• 53:38
  What does the course look like by the way?
• 53:39
  Does it look tough or pretty easy?
• 53:42
  It's, it looks like go Kart track.
• 53:44
  It's all windy and bendy and little hills and yeah, it's
• 53:48
  weird. Really, really weird.
• 53:49
  It's like on a sandy, gravelly sort of thing.
• 53:52
  I've seen a photo of Callum Elson when he was doing this
• 53:55
  little shakeout yesterday and he looked like he was handling over
• 53:58
  something if they got any objects on there.
• 54:00
  They just have 3 little like WAVY bumps if you get me.
• 54:07
  But yeah, it's a really unique course.
• 54:11
  OK, thanks. I'll let you go back to it.
• 54:13
  And TuneIn. Yeah, next item on the news
• 54:18
  agenda is Grand Slam track bankruptcy.
• 54:21
  So this week they released a formal press communications
• 54:25
  statement that they had a comp. They're going through a
• 54:29
  comprehensive reorganization to position the league for
• 54:32
  sustainable long term growth, which is like the headline
• 54:35
  sentence and then like shoved in there in the background is to
• 54:38
  facilitate this. We filed for voluntary
• 54:40
  bankruptcy trying to just slip it in.
• 54:45
  They intend to use this process to stabilize the finances,
• 54:48
  implement efficient cost and operating model and position it
• 54:51
  for long term success. They those couple of KPIs or
• 54:57
  whatever you call them, they should have thought about that
• 55:00
  before launch and really shouldn't they?
• 55:02
  I should have thought that with the term shape.
• 55:06
  They will have the ability to. Apparently this will help enable
• 55:10
  them to have the ability to return for future seasons.
• 55:14
  Make of that what you will. In the filing there's a few tick
• 55:17
  box questions where they have to state how many creditors within
• 55:22
  certain ranges, how how much liabilities and how much assets
• 55:26
  they have. So there are multiple options,
• 55:30
  maybe like 9 options within each question.
• 55:34
  So the creditors one falls between 200 and 999.
• 55:39
  So it could be anywhere there. That means how many people they
• 55:42
  owe money to and that was relative to the other options.
• 55:48
  I think it was maybe like the fourth or fifth highest 1.
• 55:51
  So wasn't crazy. But I mean, yeah, 200 to 999 is
• 55:56
  a lot of people. The liabilities, so kind of how
• 56:00
  much they're responsible for is 10 to $50 million.
• 56:05
  And that was one of the highest options that you could be
• 56:07
  choosing. Then the assets is listed at
• 56:11
  under $50,000 and that was one of the lowest thresholds they
• 56:16
  could be choosing. So they've if you were to
• 56:19
  probably score this from some relativity, it's probably like
• 56:22
  the worst sort of answers they could be providing their.
• 56:28
  The statement isn't looking too good and dare I say, without
• 56:33
  some crazy unexpected investment, the league will not
• 56:37
  be returning for future seasons. And they probably won't be
• 56:41
  settling with any of these creditors either.
• 56:44
  Did I hear that they have set the money they give to the
• 56:47
  athletes they have to get that back off them?
• 56:50
  Yes, something like that, wasn't it?
• 56:51
  They'll they've like approached them to ask for it back because
• 56:55
  in like the legality of it all that when it comes down to in
• 56:59
  which priority they owe money to that athletes aren't the first
• 57:03
  ones. Which I don't think I'd be given
• 57:07
  that money back now, to be fair. No way you'd be ghosting them,
• 57:12
  wouldn't you? Especially when you've only been
• 57:16
  paid half in the 1st place and then they're asking for that
• 57:18
  half back. Yeah, you take a hike.
• 57:22
  How have they cooked this so bad?
• 57:24
  I do not understand. Like from the outside, it's just
• 57:29
  like it was never going to work. MJ's had a dream and he's had no
• 57:34
  one to check his dream. They've all just rolled with it.
• 57:39
  So yeah, I mean, I don't know whether we'll we'll speak about
• 57:42
  it again because it's always like the same kind of story and
• 57:48
  it's never really like clear doesn't actually provide me with
• 57:52
  much insight or anything. It's just like, Oh yeah, Grand
• 57:56
  Slam's in the shit again. But they're trying to position
• 57:58
  it that they're not that bad. And then a couple of weeks later
• 58:01
  there'll be another story where it's slightly worse.
• 58:04
  So unless anything drastic happens, we'll we'll leave Grand
• 58:08
  Slam here. Last item on the news agenda was
• 58:12
  I seen a reel. I think I sent it to you.
• 58:14
  Or maybe you want to use sensor to me where some you know, these
• 58:17
  like meta glasses where you can like it's got a camera buried in
• 58:21
  them, but they're just a pair of sunglasses.
• 58:24
  Oh, and she said, Oh God, did you see the the Oakley ones?
• 58:28
  Where on the image it it must sink to your watch in your heart
• 58:33
  rate strap because when you play back the video record and it's
• 58:37
  got like live your pace and your heart race.
• 58:41
  I was literally thinking of this on my long run this morning.
• 58:45
  So you can say, oh meta, how fast am I going or like, what's
• 58:50
  my heart rate instead of literally just looking at your
• 58:52
  watch, like putting your eyes down to look at your hand and
• 58:56
  looking at the right, like I really, really do not.
• 58:59
  Maybe from a content point of view because there is the camera
• 59:03
  and it's sort of like of real like life view of what you're
• 59:06
  looking at if you're as you're racing, but for the general Joe.
• 59:10
  So it is the biggest waste of money ever.
• 59:13
  Now, to be fair, I bought a pair of Oakleys and when I came to
• 59:17
  Australia because like, oh, it's going to be sunny.
• 59:19
  I'll need them. Biggest mistake ever.
• 59:21
  There's such a waste of money. Any pair of glasses will do
• 59:24
  exact same job. Right, So there's Oakley and the
• 59:28
  bin as well. Dean, I've got to the list.
• 59:33
  No, I I agree people are going to be wearing them to be like,
• 59:38
  come with me on A5 Ki don't want to see any of that stuff.
• 59:42
  But like the way Josh Kerr wears them on the track.
• 59:45
  It's probably doesn't give you too much insight for a track
• 59:47
  race, but say in the marathons if people are wearing these,
• 59:52
  imagine the level of like analysis and insight you're able
• 59:55
  to get compared to just watching these streams which we often
• 59:59
  criticize and missing the moves because of outbreaks.
• 1:00:02
  Imagine you can literally tune into the athletes vision and see
• 1:00:06
  what their heart rate is and how it changes when they like.
• 1:00:09
  Try and break away from that group and you can see exactly
• 1:00:12
  when they're falling off. Yeah, on that.
• 1:00:15
  I don't doubt you guys and I know we're we're limited on our
• 1:00:19
  non running chat, but we've maybe got a little bit of a
• 1:00:22
  quota here. But were you watching the T100
• 1:00:25
  finale by any chance? It was on Friday afternoon, but
• 1:00:29
  the final race I think was in Qatar.
• 1:00:31
  Hayden Wilde was off in front. Then there was 3 chases all
• 1:00:36
  running together. And then there was Morgan
• 1:00:38
  Pearson, who you might hear the coffee club guys sometimes talk
• 1:00:42
  about. I think he trains out of
• 1:00:43
  Colorado sometimes. He was running the quickest run
• 1:00:46
  splits of anyone, running about 3 minute K pace for this 20 odd
• 1:00:49
  K run. And he just gobbles up these
• 1:00:52
  three guys in front of him and one and they're all got heart
• 1:00:55
  rate monitors on, so they're all showing percentage of Max heart
• 1:00:58
  rate. And the guy on the front who's
• 1:01:00
  the least credentialed runner of the three of these three chases,
• 1:01:04
  he, he's already at about 90% of Max heart rate.
• 1:01:08
  And then the other guys are sitting mid 80s.
• 1:01:10
  And then Morgan Pearson comes past And this, this guy who's
• 1:01:14
  the least experienced goes with Morgan Pearson holds on.
• 1:01:18
  And you can see that it's that that changes colours, the, the
• 1:01:21
  percentage of Max once it gets to a certain colour.
• 1:01:23
  And this guy's completely redlining and his heart rate's
• 1:01:26
  telling the story. And sure enough, as you know,
• 1:01:28
  with that lactate curve and the, you know, those inflection
• 1:01:31
  points and he's, he's spending time above that holds with these
• 1:01:34
  guys for about holds Morgan Pearson's wheel or fate for
• 1:01:38
  about all of two or three minutes, but then creates a gap
• 1:01:41
  on these guys then for another chaos.
• 1:01:43
  So holds off them. And then sure enough, the
• 1:01:46
  inevitable happens. He's absolutely flooded, gets
• 1:01:48
  gobbled up, get speed out the back.
• 1:01:50
  And so it's just cool insight. And it's also just good to
• 1:01:54
  explain Physiology. And that's where sometimes data
• 1:01:57
  has a a useful place around your physiological limits.
• 1:02:02
  But sure they did only glasses to it's.
• 1:02:04
  Just a high right there. It's a technology already, yes.
• 1:02:09
  I think it would be cool to see like, Josh Kerr's perspective if
• 1:02:12
  he was wearing them, like to see the chaos in Let's See a 1500,
• 1:02:15
  because sometimes they are totally chaotic.
• 1:02:18
  I think it would be cool, like, to see like where he's looking
• 1:02:20
  or like that sort of thing. But umm, yeah.
• 1:02:24
  I don't know if there's a place for these glasses for like,
• 1:02:29
  let's say us. What about adventure racing and
• 1:02:31
  stuff maybe? Oh yeah, that'd be cool.
• 1:02:35
  That sort of stuff. You don't want to see them on
• 1:02:37
  bloody influences, do you? And you just know that's where
• 1:02:40
  they're going to go. Probably from like a brand
• 1:02:42
  strategy point of view as well. That's where they'll push them
• 1:02:45
  because that's where the market's just booming.
• 1:02:47
  All these like kind of the the new to running scene who are
• 1:02:51
  buying every kind of which gadget that's going.
• 1:02:57
  But yeah, there's definitely. Faster.
• 1:03:01
  They make you walk faster. How much are they?
• 1:03:04
  I'm looking it up here. This could be you.
• 1:03:08
  Instead of the treadmill, get a pair of glasses.
• 1:03:10
  Imagine that we see that cross country from yesterday.
• 1:03:13
  Imagine if you could, we could have just streamed that straight
• 1:03:15
  onto the website onto, you know, easy double Instagram live.
• 1:03:23
  Straight up athlete's eyes. The £500, $500.
• 1:03:31
  Yeah, we've got a little kiss, guys.
• 1:03:33
  We do not have a Kitty. Well, it's Christmas is coming.
• 1:03:37
  Your new your race in Valencia. Oh, you've already had your
• 1:03:41
  Christmas present. I've knew you've got the new
• 1:03:43
  Pumas. Yeah, that is my Christmas
• 1:03:46
  present, Yeah. So hopefully they do me good.
• 1:03:52
  All right, see then I've between your Portugal coverage of you
• 1:03:57
  got time, is now a good slot for you to do your race recap or
• 1:04:00
  should we go to Dean first? No.
• 1:04:03
  Well, I'll go through my week because the men are just
• 1:04:06
  starting off, so by the time they're finished you should be
• 1:04:09
  good. OK.
• 1:04:12
  So let me just get Strava. Maybe do you want to just give
• 1:04:16
  us a race recap maybe or like the likely not the weekly and
• 1:04:20
  then like say 4-8 hours out maybe.
• 1:04:23
  Yeah, perfect. Umm, So I didn't really taper
• 1:04:28
  too much for this race because umm, it's not like a big like
• 1:04:34
  wasn't worth really tapering for because the Valencia one like
• 1:04:37
  there's no point tapering like loads now before Valencia.
• 1:04:41
  But so Friday I jogged. So I've sort of this thing where
• 1:04:48
  normally I take a rest day on a Friday, but I always jogged
• 1:04:52
  today for a race. The Thursday I done 60 minutes
• 1:04:57
  and then 10 by 10 seconds, rides just chilling.
• 1:05:01
  And the 60 minutes was 15 kilometers at 434 pace.
• 1:05:06
  So yeah, that was the Thursday. Then Friday, I normally take a
• 1:05:11
  rest day, but because it was Dave Forays, I just got out for
• 1:05:14
  30 minutes, shake out the legs at six KM, 430 fours.
• 1:05:19
  And then for the race, I just got it from my usual warm up, 15
• 1:05:25
  minutes, then two by two-minute threshold.
• 1:05:28
  And then, yeah, I knew there was another good guy in this race.
• 1:05:32
  His name's Kevin McGraw and he's run like 148-4800 there two
• 1:05:37
  weeks ago. He's around 1414 for a 5K on the
• 1:05:40
  road. So like he is, he's really fast,
• 1:05:43
  put it that way. And I knew he was either going
• 1:05:47
  to work out to one of two ways. He was going to go off really,
• 1:05:50
  really hard. And if that happened, I was just
• 1:05:54
  going to well, depending on how hard he went down, I was going
• 1:05:57
  to let him go a little bit and try and reel him in or he was
• 1:06:01
  going to just sit in behind me. And as soon as he don't ended up
• 1:06:06
  doing that and I was like, OK, I'm going to have to just push
• 1:06:10
  here from the from the off because I cannot have this.
• 1:06:13
  I just sitting in my me. So that is what I did and
• 1:06:16
  conditions were pretty mucky, umm there was a few green areas,
• 1:06:20
  but like again 15 mil spikes, umm, they weren't much good and
• 1:06:25
  it was really, really mucky. So it was a 5 lap course.
• 1:06:29
  So I think after like 2 1/2 laps I sort of gapped Kevin a little
• 1:06:33
  bit and then to be honest he just sort of jogged it in and I
• 1:06:36
  just kept on going. So I ended up winning by a
• 1:06:38
  little bit but umm yeah, it was just nice to win the so that was
• 1:06:41
  like my area, so the Mead senior cross country.
• 1:06:44
  So it's nice to win that. And the team actually won gold
• 1:06:47
  as well. The first time my team, Tara, we
• 1:06:51
  won gold since like 1978 or something like that.
• 1:06:54
  So yeah, it's my first time actually ever having a team,
• 1:06:57
  like a running team basically to like compete well, running as
• 1:07:03
  part of a team. So yeah, it was really, really
• 1:07:04
  cool just for the parish. And also, yeah, I was happy when
• 1:07:07
  it was sort of caps off like a nice cross country season.
• 1:07:10
  And so he's pretty solid highlight under sub 150.
• 1:07:13
  Is it 500 and 1410 for 5K? Yeah, and I don't know what his
• 1:07:19
  mile time is. I'll get it here now as well.
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  He's a lot for him. Yeah, yeah.
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  So like he is he is really, really good and he's, I think
• 1:07:27
  he's definitely in sub 4 minute shape.
• 1:07:29
  He just needs the race. And so yeah, like he won the
• 1:07:34
  national indoor 800 last year. So he is really, really good.
• 1:07:39
  And see, I just was not letting him sit behind me because it
• 1:07:42
  would be just a little set kick for him.
• 1:07:44
  Yeah. Shit, so you didn't want the
• 1:07:47
  smoke off the turn off laps? No, but he's got like cross
• 1:07:51
  country, like the way the cross country, it's so mucky.
• 1:07:55
  It suits me down to the ground because I've big, massive like
• 1:07:58
  tree trunk legs. So I'm able to sort of withstand
• 1:08:01
  the sucking of the muck a little bit more than he's really
• 1:08:04
  lightened. It just wouldn't be his cup of
• 1:08:07
  tea at all. So if it was a dryer course, he
• 1:08:09
  definitely could about me. But because it was just that
• 1:08:12
  sapping energy muck, I'm just that little bit stronger.
• 1:08:17
  But yeah, how? Did you feel no taper?
• 1:08:21
  I felt all right. I did feel good.
• 1:08:23
  So like I had I done a session actually it was a big storm in
• 1:08:28
  Ireland on the Tuesday, so I had to do my session on the
• 1:08:33
  treadmill. So I had to drive to like the
• 1:08:35
  gym and do my I think was like 8 by AK and I've sent them K's and
• 1:08:40
  three minute kilometers off 62nd break.
• 1:08:43
  So like I am fit and I sort of I'd ask myself to be able to I
• 1:08:48
  could be stronger than I'm like 5K on the road is totally
• 1:08:52
  different to AK cross country in the mock.
• 1:08:57
  Like it's just it's a totally different game.
• 1:08:59
  So yeah, I did sort of back myself, but yeah, I just, it
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  was, I was so happy for the team to win like gold just meant a
• 1:09:06
  lot to me and the lads. And it was like this time last
• 1:09:10
  year, umm, the chairman of my club, they Tara finished second
• 1:09:15
  last year. So this time last year I was in
• 1:09:18
  Australia obviously and he was like, oh, and we're after
• 1:09:20
  finishing second, when are you coming home?
• 1:09:22
  So it was like it was like a year in the making.
• 1:09:24
  This was and that's cool. There was, I think there was
• 1:09:27
  like 12 lads on the team so like everyone gets a medal and yeah
• 1:09:31
  no, just it meant a lot for everyone.
• 1:09:33
  That's cool. How many have been in the race
• 1:09:36
  then if there's 12 per team? There was like, no, we just had
• 1:09:39
  a load of boys. I think there was 60, but it was
• 1:09:42
  the biggest turn out in a meet senior cross country event.
• 1:09:46
  So yeah, I know they've done it well.
• 1:09:49
  So that senior races were on 1st.
• 1:09:51
  So it was like loads of little kids along the course, like
• 1:09:54
  watching yeah and cheering you on.
• 1:09:56
  Yeah, it was cool. No, I haven't quite got to the
• 1:09:59
  point where there's an easy double shout out just yet.
• 1:10:02
  We're still still trying to work that.
• 1:10:06
  In Yeah, yeah. I know I was looking for the
• 1:10:10
  heart. I just met but did anyone know
• 1:10:13
  does any? Do people recognize you based on
• 1:10:15
  the just from knowing you as a local?
• 1:10:18
  No, unfortunately. Not no.
• 1:10:21
  Someone tagged us in the story. Was that the guy who came second
• 1:10:27
  Kevin Kevin McGraw The kids can all so Kevin Mcgraw's share the
• 1:10:32
  rail of him and Owen running through the mud and then the two
• 1:10:35
  of them do like an interview afterwards.
• 1:10:37
  Pretty cool so far and he's put the kids can laugh at me now.
• 1:10:43
  Easy double pod man himself. Great running Owen.
• 1:10:45
  Oh, there you go. But the lad who made the reel,
• 1:10:48
  his name's Vlad and he's he's based in Dublin, but he's mates
• 1:10:54
  with a few boys from me. So he came.
• 1:10:56
  He's sort of like does this like he's really good on Instagram
• 1:11:00
  and TikTok. He's sort of like a running once
• 1:11:02
  the influencer was sort of him. He documents his training, let's
• 1:11:05
  say a lot. And so he was there and he's
• 1:11:07
  handy with the, he's pretty good, like editing and all that.
• 1:11:10
  So he made the real and it turned out really, really good.
• 1:11:14
  Shout out to shout out to Vlad. Yeah, he done well.
• 1:11:17
  You didn't do too bad on the camera there went went shy.
• 1:11:20
  I feel like doing this podcast has made me way more
• 1:11:24
  comfortable, like public speaking, like even in work they
• 1:11:27
  asked me to do, they asked me to do a thing for like men's mental
• 1:11:30
  health and like, I actually didn't mind.
• 1:11:32
  Like talking to the camera and answering questions just makes
• 1:11:34
  you more confident. I don't know.
• 1:11:36
  It's, it's, it's weird. Umm, and then this morning I get
• 1:11:41
  out for just 90 minutes easy. Umm, I think I've done like 21 K
• 1:11:45
  for 14 or something like that. So umm, yeah, next week will be
• 1:11:49
  another big week and then I've erased the phone on week and
• 1:11:52
  yeah, just trying to try to take them off now.
• 1:11:57
  Good. 100 and 119 K for the week, something like that.
• 1:12:02
  Glad to see Tara on the map. Yeah, rapping did.
• 1:12:07
  There was a few Irish followers come through as well.
• 1:12:09
  Must have been on the back of Mr. Mcgraw's share maybe?
• 1:12:13
  Your man Vlad creating the real. I think he's like got like 4K
• 1:12:16
  followers so he's like he's a nice bit of reach.
• 1:12:21
  Good stuff, good week. Another solid race.
• 1:12:24
  You haven't really had there in all the races that you've done
• 1:12:27
  since you got back Fit. Have you had, like a bad one?
• 1:12:29
  Really. Lots of jinx, yeah.
• 1:12:32
  Have I had? Yeah, I just read Provalenza.
• 1:12:34
  You're thrown this on. Have I had a bad one?
• 1:12:41
  Wouldn't I wouldn't overthink it.
• 1:12:43
  You did. Five mile in the park was an
• 1:12:46
  amazing. 10 mile, I got a really bad stitch, yeah, and bought odd
• 1:12:52
  and I've been pretty, pretty lucky.
• 1:12:54
  So fingers crossed. Well, to be honest, when we
• 1:12:58
  started this podcast, I had probably a few couple of bad
• 1:13:01
  races. So I sort of used on my bad
• 1:13:04
  races for the year then. But when the next January the
• 1:13:07
  resets, yeah, we're known as this hopefully, yeah, we keep
• 1:13:12
  the good luck that Roland. Sweet Dean, how have you been in
• 1:13:18
  the return to run? Yeah, yeah, pretty similar.
• 1:13:23
  So slightly more case this week or at least I think I was up to
• 1:13:28
  just under 70 case this week, run an hour today.
• 1:13:31
  So that's my longest run and felt good as if it's everything
• 1:13:36
  feels like mechanically it's clicking.
• 1:13:39
  Had an appointment with the sports doc on Friday and I think
• 1:13:45
  I'm suffering a little bit from a bit of an overactive like
• 1:13:49
  pelvic floor perineum sort of area, but apparently that's
• 1:13:53
  fairly common, but not not anything to get too worried
• 1:13:55
  about which is good. So but otherwise they're happy.
• 1:13:59
  I think all things going well, a couple more weeks of this return
• 1:14:03
  to run before I start to reintroduce some form of
• 1:14:06
  training. So yeah, what shoes?
• 1:14:11
  Did you wear for your hour run? Did you wear your Adidas evos?
• 1:14:16
  Yeah, SL. No, no, I've not.
• 1:14:19
  I've, I've I've. So they, I wore them for one of
• 1:14:24
  my last steady runs. So now I'm a little bit gun shy
• 1:14:27
  with them. OK, OK, so I come, I'm sure they
• 1:14:31
  have absolutely nothing to do with with it.
• 1:14:35
  But I've actually, I bought a pair of Zirconi shoes that are a
• 1:14:38
  bit lower stack, like pretty low stack.
• 1:14:40
  So just intentionally trying to keep like if my ankles and
• 1:14:44
  calves get a bit stiff and sort of that's probably a bit safer.
• 1:14:47
  But so I'm just running in some lower stack shoes at the minute.
• 1:14:50
  But but nothing, yeah, nothing's feeling too, too bad.
• 1:14:55
  So I think that's the most important thing every week to
• 1:14:58
  week things are getting better and this week in particular was
• 1:15:01
  definitely the best week I felt so, which is nice.
• 1:15:03
  So I just need to keep jogging for a couple more weeks,
• 1:15:08
  introduce my, you know, drills and strides.
• 1:15:10
  So I've started to introduce those.
• 1:15:12
  Those feel all right. So I just need to keep feeling
• 1:15:14
  good and hopefully I'll be doing some workouts in the new year,
• 1:15:18
  albeit that I'll probably keep my cycling, my Saturday long
• 1:15:22
  ride and my Thursday threshold workout in for at least a while
• 1:15:25
  yet is the plan. How assuming like hopefully you
• 1:15:30
  feel OK tomorrow on the back of this hour, how does the hour
• 1:15:33
  then fit into next week? Like can you do that a couple of
• 1:15:37
  times in the week? I don't think so.
• 1:15:41
  I like, I think I'll, I don't think so.
• 1:15:44
  I think I'll do. I think that was more like a
• 1:15:47
  long run. Oh gosh, I need to check what it
• 1:15:50
  says. I've got a bit of a plan written
• 1:15:52
  out for me, but my I thought perhaps where I'm trying to get
• 1:15:56
  to is where I can do my 240 odd minute commutes once I'm back
• 1:16:01
  doing those and not pulling up so then things are looking
• 1:16:03
  pretty good. Yeah.
• 1:16:05
  OK. So that was a bit of a push the
• 1:16:06
  boat out for a tester and hopefully it responds positively
• 1:16:11
  and you compound and go again. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:16:14
  So it was no running the day prior, tested a bit for a longer
• 1:16:19
  run. Make sure that that's looking
• 1:16:21
  pretty good. Like haven't done many more
• 1:16:24
  minutes than the last. I've run about the same, similar
• 1:16:28
  amount of minutes than the last two weeks.
• 1:16:29
  But I've run some longer runs in this week.
• 1:16:32
  Like I've not run over 30 minutes until this week, whereas
• 1:16:35
  I've done some, I think a 45 minute run, a 50 minute run in
• 1:16:38
  an hour. Yeah, good.
• 1:16:42
  But yeah. I'm still in the gym as well.
• 1:16:44
  Still in the gym. I couldn't believe it when I saw
• 1:16:47
  you in there. I nearly fell over.
• 1:16:50
  But. I don't think my muscles could
• 1:16:54
  believe it based on the response the next day either.
• 1:16:57
  Well, you're pretty sore. After the first one, but then
• 1:17:00
  last week's wasn't so bad. Yeah, but the first one, shit, I
• 1:17:04
  was like, you know, when you, I was walking like to, to and from
• 1:17:08
  the toilet in the office, I was like, felt like my feet went
• 1:17:12
  leaving the floor. I felt like I was just shuffling
• 1:17:14
  and like physically having to think right, pick your kneecap
• 1:17:18
  or as you step in because my quads were just gone.
• 1:17:21
  You were lifting the warm up weights for Hales as well.
• 1:17:24
  I thought you would have put it down.
• 1:17:29
  Oh. God, and how about your week?
• 1:17:31
  Your week was pretty quiet, hey? Yeah, pretty non eventful really
• 1:17:36
  you could say. Yeah, I'm trying to take the
• 1:17:40
  silver lining from it in that. Do you?
• 1:17:42
  Want to talk through talk through the event?
• 1:17:46
  Yeah, I'm going to preface it with some context, you know, to
• 1:17:50
  help stay the narrative in my direction.
• 1:17:55
  So you just got to think, has Ryan still got that competitive
• 1:17:58
  drive in him? Does he still want it?
• 1:18:01
  Yeah, so. Also will also take into account
• 1:18:04
  Ryan is possibly the worst cyclist ever so just keep that
• 1:18:08
  in your mind as well. So competitive.
• 1:18:11
  Ryan and Ryan made a bad cyclist.
• 1:18:13
  Put them together and you'll get this story.
• 1:18:16
  I'll also give you what my mom said as well because you'll
• 1:18:19
  probably take some humor from it.
• 1:18:22
  So yeah, at the end of the ride, those for those who are familiar
• 1:18:25
  with Perth and the Narrows Bridge, I was coming back over
• 1:18:28
  the Narrows Bridge in towards the city and unwritten rule, it
• 1:18:34
  seems over that Narrows Bridge is you just go single file.
• 1:18:37
  It's quite narrow irony and people are either finishing the
• 1:18:44
  ride off because they're heading into the city or the start in
• 1:18:47
  the ride. And given the make up of this
• 1:18:50
  little section, there's literally no need to push it.
• 1:18:53
  You'd be quite stupid to do so. And then as you come up onto the
• 1:18:57
  bridge, it kind of winds left, winds rice.
• 1:18:59
  And then you hit like the straight section.
• 1:19:01
  And as we've kind of just come on to the straight section, this
• 1:19:04
  guy peels off from behind me and looking sends it up the bridge
• 1:19:08
  as they go. I didn't realize it was going
• 1:19:11
  too slow for you mate. So then I followed him and then
• 1:19:16
  he must have sensed that I was following him.
• 1:19:18
  So we're now there's probably only space for 2/2 passing
• 1:19:22
  vehicles on this bridge. So we're probably in the, the
• 1:19:25
  wrong side of the road of the path here coming into oncoming
• 1:19:29
  traffic, which spikes the adrenaline somewhat.
• 1:19:34
  So then he's obviously sensed that I'm behind them.
• 1:19:36
  So he's continuing to push because he's like, why is this
• 1:19:39
  guy following me? Probably.
• 1:19:41
  And then I need to kind of do like the 180 left turn at the
• 1:19:45
  bottom to wrap back around underneath the bridge and head
• 1:19:48
  home. But that also means I need to
• 1:19:51
  slop back into the traffic that we're now on the wrong side of
• 1:19:54
  the path for. And then we'll come in towards
• 1:19:57
  the turn and I'm like, right, well, I'm now travelling
• 1:20:00
  downhill. I've put a bit of power into
• 1:20:02
  this. And I need to somehow get in
• 1:20:05
  line, also come to a stop so that I'm not going to send the
• 1:20:10
  guy behind me straight into the back of me because he's
• 1:20:12
  obviously travelling at some speed and then all of a sudden
• 1:20:15
  the corner. Is downhill off that bridge.
• 1:20:19
  Yeah, yeah, the you're rolling if you if you tickle the pedals
• 1:20:24
  a little, you're rolling and then all of a sudden the corner
• 1:20:28
  presents itself before I've had too much chance to do anything.
• 1:20:32
  So I've like flung it into the corner like proper aggressively
• 1:20:36
  tried to last minute panic like, well, if you lean in hard, you
• 1:20:40
  might just be able to like almost take it at full speed.
• 1:20:44
  And then as of this is all coming to me now whilst I'm
• 1:20:48
  thinking about it as I'm trying to lean in hard to I've realized
• 1:20:51
  there's no chance of making it round that it's basically 180°
• 1:20:54
  pivot on the spot. So I've slammed on the brakes
• 1:20:58
  and in slamming on the brakes, the bikes leaning into the
• 1:21:02
  corner and it's like just said absolutely not and flung me off
• 1:21:07
  towards the right. And I remember like whilst I was
• 1:21:10
  in the air like some reason thinking unclicked from the
• 1:21:13
  pedals. So I've gone one way, the bikes
• 1:21:15
  gone the other way. And unfortunately because it was
• 1:21:18
  like 7:30 in the morning, there's like 5 or 6 commuters
• 1:21:21
  like going the different ways around this complete
• 1:21:24
  intersection isn't it? With like 4 different ways to
• 1:21:27
  go, I'm on my back, the bikes 5 yards away from me and a few
• 1:21:32
  people saying are you OK? I did say and it's quite funny
• 1:21:36
  that the guy who I the guy who I was chasing and also the guy who
• 1:21:42
  had caught in front of to try and take the corner, they both
• 1:21:44
  just cycled off. Probably fucking idiots anyway.
• 1:21:51
  So I got up and put the chain back on as fast as I could
• 1:21:55
  because highly embarrassed and just peddled home.
• 1:21:58
  Got a shower locked on for work and I didn't put my T-shirt on
• 1:22:01
  because my arm was like bleeding.
• 1:22:03
  And then after an hour or so I went to put my T-shirt on and I
• 1:22:08
  was like oh fuck I can't even lift my arm up.
• 1:22:12
  Went and got it scanned at Royal Perth.
• 1:22:15
  It took about 2 1/2 hours and they found a fracture in the
• 1:22:19
  radial head which is the bone which goes from your wrist UPS
• 1:22:23
  your elbow. So the good, I don't know if
• 1:22:26
  it's a good thing it's not in. Usually you break a bone like
• 1:22:30
  and it snaps. That hasn't happened.
• 1:22:32
  It's just a fracture in the head of the bone, which on Tuesday
• 1:22:36
  when it happened, my range of motion was literally like about
• 1:22:41
  35°. That's what the doctor said.
• 1:22:45
  And then I was amazed by Wednesday it was a lot better.
• 1:22:48
  Pain hasn't been so bad at all. It's just a little bit bruised
• 1:22:52
  and a little bit swollen, but I pretty much got full
• 1:22:56
  functionality back in the arm. It's just through weight bearing
• 1:22:59
  where it's like quite sensitive. So I'm hoping by next week it's
• 1:23:03
  almost back to normal. Yeah, that's the recap.
• 1:23:07
  What have we learned? What have we learned from this,
• 1:23:13
  Ryan as well? It's like this.
• 1:23:15
  I told my mom and she was like, you know, I was just waiting for
• 1:23:18
  that to happen to you one day because you're bloody reckless,
• 1:23:21
  aren't you? So, but the main thing was I was
• 1:23:30
  like, oh, no, I'm like just getting to the point where I'm
• 1:23:33
  starting to physically be able to run again.
• 1:23:36
  Like I can run a kilometer in a row now I'm not going to be able
• 1:23:40
  to run, nor am I going to be able to cycle.
• 1:23:42
  So I'm, I'm going to take a backward step with my running
• 1:23:45
  and I'm also going to become unfair like massively.
• 1:23:48
  But the next day I was able to do my return to run program just
• 1:23:52
  through like the they say because it's in the elbow,
• 1:23:56
  you're not supposed to sling it. So if you lock it in a sling
• 1:24:00
  like that, because in your elbow, the joint just like kind
• 1:24:02
  of fixes on itself, it needs to be free.
• 1:24:07
  So I was able to run, I've been able to cross train, not cycle.
• 1:24:12
  So it hasn't been a great week in terms of training, but I've
• 1:24:14
  got by and I'm up to 6 minutes in the run.
• 1:24:17
  So things are looking up in some senses and looking down in
• 1:24:22
  others. And how's that, How's the
• 1:24:24
  feeling when you're doing your 6 minutes?
• 1:24:26
  Is it feel like it's progressing?
• 1:24:30
  Starting to feel like I'm actually running again, which is
• 1:24:32
  nice rather than the heart rate going to 1/4 see within 30
• 1:24:37
  seconds. Not that any of this is about
• 1:24:39
  fitness, but you know, it's, it's a bit more enjoyable now
• 1:24:43
  and you, you get to run for longer, which makes you feel
• 1:24:47
  like you're actually running rather than like stupid one or
• 1:24:50
  two minutes just feels like you're not even running.
• 1:24:55
  And I was saying to Steve and RAF yesterday mentally, I've
• 1:24:59
  noticed that I've turned the corner because I'm now starting
• 1:25:02
  to like think about, oh, can I do 8 minutes instead of 6?
• 1:25:06
  Or can I reduce the rest time? Obviously I'm not and I'm it's a
• 1:25:12
  good thing that I'm aware that I'm starting to think like this
• 1:25:14
  because it means I can self regulate it.
• 1:25:17
  But it's also a sign to show that I've got a bit of
• 1:25:20
  confidence in my body back because prior I was when I first
• 1:25:26
  went out I was petrified because I was scared for a bad response.
• 1:25:29
  Whereas now I'm confident and hopeful it'll be a good response
• 1:25:32
  and I just want more and more. Yeah, can completely relate to
• 1:25:36
  that. Spend a lot of time because you
• 1:25:39
  know, the whole point is just reload.
• 1:25:41
  It's not to develop aerobic fitness, but but you're so
• 1:25:45
  paranoid about the discomfort you're in and your your mind
• 1:25:48
  tends to rather than celebrate the fact that you get to do
• 1:25:51
  something, spends most of the time fixated on that rather than
• 1:25:55
  the excitement of actually being able to exercise.
• 1:25:57
  I think today was the first time I actually felt like my
• 1:26:00
  cardiovascular fitness was the limiter on my run, not my body,
• 1:26:04
  which is which is a nice feeling.
• 1:26:05
  It's fun when it's feels like it's not just you just thinking
• 1:26:09
  about mechanical issue rather than actually just being a bit
• 1:26:14
  puffed. Yeah, hopefully we both turned a
• 1:26:18
  bit of a corner a few weeks behind you.
• 1:26:21
  But yeah, one thing I did think about was it's no wonder that
• 1:26:27
  people fail on like their return to run or like when you get
• 1:26:32
  injured and then try and come back, it's no wonder people get
• 1:26:35
  reinjured so often when they're not following a strict protocol
• 1:26:39
  like this. Like how long is it taking you
• 1:26:41
  to return to running an hour? It's taken me about four weeks
• 1:26:46
  to run 6 minutes in a row. And that's because you're using
• 1:26:49
  like safe and proper measures. Whereas if you didn't have like
• 1:26:53
  the support in place from a physio or someone to guide you
• 1:26:56
  properly because you've run 150 KS in a week, you think I'll
• 1:27:01
  just go off tomorrow and try and run for 45 minutes, see how it
• 1:27:04
  feels. But you need to do so many
• 1:27:08
  things before you get to that point to kind of protect
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  yourself from taking a massive backward step.
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  Yeah, and it's also nuanced, like it's all very difficult to
• 1:27:18
  know exactly what, what's the right amount of discomfort?
• 1:27:23
  What is the right type of discomfort?
• 1:27:25
  What's what, what, what are we trying to achieve by each run?
• 1:27:30
  What should we be focusing on in between runs?
• 1:27:32
  Like there's so much, it's not that simple.
• 1:27:35
  So ABS absent the ability to get gained insight over all
• 1:27:40
  different parts and things like that, it's just really
• 1:27:42
  difficult. And another thing, it's a lot
• 1:27:46
  easier to lie to yourself than it is to lie to a physio or
• 1:27:51
  someone. So for example, with the pain
• 1:27:53
  scores, you can say you're allowed one or two out of 10,
• 1:27:57
  but ideally like one or none. That's all going off.
• 1:28:00
  In Portugal, judging by the stream, you can come in in a
• 1:28:05
  minute. If you're allowed like a one out
• 1:28:08
  of 10 score, you're easy. If that's real, realistically 3
• 1:28:13
  out of 10 when it happens, it's so easy for you to convince
• 1:28:16
  yourself that was only one out of 10.
• 1:28:18
  Like it didn't really hurt that bad like this and that.
• 1:28:21
  Whereas if you have to go and sit down and explain to someone
• 1:28:24
  what happened and how it felt, you know in your own head if you
• 1:28:28
  kind of like lying or justifying.
• 1:28:32
  Whereas if it's just you're justifying to yourself, you can
• 1:28:36
  almost just park it and be like, no, that was fine.
• 1:28:38
  It was it was only this and move on.
• 1:28:41
  Yeah, I suppose 2 good pieces of feedback I have is Steve does
• 1:28:46
  these functional tests to make to see where things are AT.
• 1:28:49
  And this is this week those tests responded the best I've
• 1:28:53
  had so far. So that was like a more
• 1:28:55
  objective marker and then the scanning the imaging like I'm
• 1:28:59
  booked in for another scan. So you can if you, if you trick
• 1:29:03
  yourself all you want, but if the scan doesn't show positive
• 1:29:06
  improvement, all these like strict functional assessments
• 1:29:09
  where you put in the joint or joint under stress and it's not
• 1:29:13
  responding positively like then you're not going to, you're not
• 1:29:16
  taking it forward. So when you've got the scan this
• 1:29:21
  week. No I won't be till end of Jan
• 1:29:24
  the next. Oh yeah.
• 1:29:26
  And that's hopefully to like kind of underline everything by
• 1:29:29
  that point, give you like a full confidence boost.
• 1:29:32
  Yeah, I think, the sports doc said.
• 1:29:33
  In the nicest possible way. I hope I don't see your gift.
• 1:29:37
  Is she's like, if you keep fucking taking my bloody MRI
• 1:29:41
  referrals, I'm going to kill you.
• 1:29:43
  I know how, which I appreciate. It's nice when they don't cost
• 1:29:47
  cost a cent. Do you get them entirely free?
• 1:29:51
  Yeah, on as a British national, I get 80% back.
• 1:29:56
  Yeah, not entirely free, which is handy.
• 1:29:59
  Because they're what, like 400 odd dollars otherwise?
• 1:30:01
  Epson Yeah. Right.
• 1:30:06
  Portugal correspondent what's happening?
• 1:30:09
  Owen muted guys that senior men's race was unbelievable and
• 1:30:16
  so it wasn't a 2 horse race really from like a long way and
• 1:30:21
  Grezier and this Thierry none did none did a Cam Mayo.
• 1:30:30
  He's a Spanish guy, but them two were just like going head to
• 1:30:33
  head the hallway and I told Greg that you'd back.
• 1:30:39
  Well, this cherry I'm after looking off on World Athletics.
• 1:30:42
  So Ninder Kameo, he's run a 5K on the track, 12475K on the
• 1:30:48
  road, 13 O 8, which is a Spanish national record.
• 1:30:51
  He's run 10K2750. He's pretty legit, but he yeah,
• 1:30:58
  Sprint finish. It's really technical at the
• 1:31:00
  end. There's a a big a left hand
• 1:31:02
  turn. So basically if you've got the
• 1:31:04
  inside line, you're pretty set on winning and then it's just
• 1:31:08
  like 100 meters last 50 meters and yeah, your man the Spanish
• 1:31:12
  guy in then to cut him away. Oh, he back resi.
• 1:31:17
  And then for third it was Scott B and another guy and I think
• 1:31:22
  Scott B, he might have gotten him on the line.
• 1:31:24
  It was a lunge. He'd literally jumped for A and
• 1:31:27
  after going on a freaking break and top performance from
• 1:31:31
  Ireland, I think Jack O'Leary got fifth.
• 1:31:33
  I think Ireland got a second in the team, which is just this a
• 1:31:37
  testament to how deep. Irish nationals were.
• 1:31:41
  Blood like in the so on the 20 trees one team.
• 1:31:44
  Oh and the lads came second like Nick Griggs won the It's just
• 1:31:50
  ridiculous how deep Irish male running is at the moment And but
• 1:31:56
  I'm not sure. I really hope Scott BE got got
• 1:32:01
  third, that'd be unbelievable. I think Rory Lander was a bit
• 1:32:03
  back and I don't know where I can get the live results.
• 1:32:08
  Shit. Well, on the on the men's list,
• 1:32:11
  there was a few big names as well.
• 1:32:13
  There was a Chip and Ellie, that is the Italian guy, that Dominic
• 1:32:17
  La Barlow and Jonas race. I think they're both Swiss
• 1:32:21
  athletes. Yeah, some like serious guys.
• 1:32:25
  But Labalu doesn't go well over in the grass across country.
• 1:32:29
  He's yet to like really, really. He can't run out the park.
• 1:32:34
  But yeah, no, it was like, obviously yak big Britain's not
• 1:32:37
  there, who is just the headliner and he totally changes the way
• 1:32:41
  the race is even run. So no, it was really, really
• 1:32:47
  good. I'm just trying to see if Scott
• 1:32:51
  Beatty got it. So what Team GB have featured?
• 1:32:55
  They get a bronze now. It would be.
• 1:32:58
  I don't know. I really don't know.
• 1:33:02
  This is how live the coverage is.
• 1:33:04
  The results are still coming in. Guys.
• 1:33:07
  Our correspondent would have been doing his job.
• 1:33:13
  No, it's like incredibly hard to track how A-Team score comes
• 1:33:17
  through. Yeah, especially like they just
• 1:33:22
  keep on filtering. On when you're on X when you
• 1:33:25
  search, I'll just search Gracias names and then we like featuring
• 1:33:28
  the results. It says third Labarlu for Scott
• 1:33:31
  BC, but they've both got 2223 as their times.
• 1:33:35
  There was literally also Labarlu.
• 1:33:37
  Who's with him? Think so, yeah.
• 1:33:39
  As pair there, sure. It doesn't say any of the team's
• 1:33:42
  results. France got third.
• 1:33:47
  France third. Yeah, so Spain first, Ireland
• 1:33:51
  second, France third. Jack O'Leary was fifth, Brian
• 1:33:56
  Faye 10th, Cormac Dalton 11th for Ireland, like 5th, 10th and
• 1:34:01
  11th. That's.
• 1:34:02
  Yeah, she was. Yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Jack O'Leary came from really deep as well.
• 1:34:06
  Jenny Mac. Yeah.
• 1:34:10
  Will that is your team for worlds already set or was it?
• 1:34:15
  How's that work? I don't know how it how they
• 1:34:18
  pick the world and now if they come second in Europe, in Europe
• 1:34:22
  you have to send them to to world, even though it's I think
• 1:34:26
  it's very expensive to send a team to world cross country.
• 1:34:30
  But still I think you have to give credit to the athlete and
• 1:34:33
  send them. And Ireland have, yeah, just the
• 1:34:37
  fact that they only sent 5 to this when you can send a team to
• 1:34:41
  six makes it look that Irelander aren't, I don't know, sending
• 1:34:48
  full teams. So you never know.
• 1:34:49
  Flush. Hey, jeez.
• 1:34:53
  Oh well, that's exciting. I look forward to watching that
• 1:34:55
  back. Gracie like to bounce back from
• 1:35:00
  his gold medal in the 10K at Worlds and he's back doing his
• 1:35:05
  business. I know you said about a double
• 1:35:08
  trouble earlier. I've got 1 penciled in here, so
• 1:35:11
  we might as well get it done and then that could be us.
• 1:35:14
  Unless you guys have anything else you want to share before we
• 1:35:17
  bring the show home. Well, usually I forget to plug
• 1:35:23
  the ah, sorry, I've just got a twinge in my back.
• 1:35:27
  Usually forget to ask for a rating until it's like the last
• 1:35:30
  thing we say, which people have probably turned off by then.
• 1:35:32
  So if you're still tuned in now, we got a really nice review come
• 1:35:37
  through on the Apple platform, do the day.
• 1:35:40
  So yeah, we do see them and apparently they help us.
• 1:35:44
  So if you're still listening, just flickers 5 stars.
• 1:35:48
  That's if you enjoy what we speak about and what we say.
• 1:35:50
  Hopefully you do. We give you a couple of hours of
• 1:35:53
  our week each week to talk running and share it with you,
• 1:35:56
  so it would be much appreciated. Now the double trouble is we've
• 1:36:01
  got a group chat between the three of us and we were speaking
• 1:36:03
  about this earlier in the week. I couldn't.
• 1:36:06
  I should preface this with I think the value of a coach is
• 1:36:09
  genuinely invaluable. Like since having one, I don't
• 1:36:15
  think I must never say never, but hopefully I'll never be self
• 1:36:19
  coached because I feel like you always need someone there to
• 1:36:23
  guide you and help you make decisions because you can kind
• 1:36:26
  of like blind yourself and trick yourself into thinking one
• 1:36:29
  thing's right. But the coach, besides all their
• 1:36:32
  knowledge and expertise and training, they help provide that
• 1:36:36
  objective view. And now this double trouble
• 1:36:39
  comes at coaches who are mainly in the online format and through
• 1:36:46
  like they have big Instagram followings with bloody blue sex.
• 1:36:51
  You kind of can probably build the picture of what I'm trying
• 1:36:54
  to paint because I stumbled across this guy.
• 1:36:56
  I went and share his ass because that's a bit too far during the
• 1:37:00
  week. And he seemed to do a few
• 1:37:04
  triathlons here and there, do a couple of marathons here and
• 1:37:07
  there, but kind of like a a semi serious participant in endurance
• 1:37:11
  sport, shall we say. And he was kind of preaching
• 1:37:15
  that he was like an online coach in these disciplines and he
• 1:37:18
  clicked into his page. And again, I think the value of
• 1:37:23
  a coach is invaluable and whatever your coach may charge
• 1:37:27
  is hopefully very appropriate. But this guy is charging £70 per
• 1:37:33
  week, which is £280 a month. In dollars, that's over $500 a
• 1:37:39
  month. And now that that just seems
• 1:37:43
  obscene, especially given he is pitching towards clientele who
• 1:37:49
  are maybe on the entry level or just kind of participating in
• 1:37:55
  the sport rather than seeking to perform at like a high level and
• 1:37:59
  stretch every possible thing that they can stretch and find
• 1:38:03
  those extra percentages that they haven't been able to find
• 1:38:06
  over years of trying. It just seems like he's kind of
• 1:38:10
  extorting and taking advantage of people's like, passion to get
• 1:38:15
  involved in things. And maybe he's very aware that
• 1:38:19
  he has a decent Instagram profile with a decent following.
• 1:38:22
  It looks good when you go on. He's got all the photos and he's
• 1:38:26
  just, yeah, he's taking a few people for a ride there.
• 1:38:29
  So wasn't too happy with that. And I don't know if that's kind
• 1:38:33
  of like a mid ground price for coaches.
• 1:38:38
  Like, I don't know if other people are charging similar
• 1:38:40
  amounts, but if they are, I would be amazed.
• 1:38:43
  I feel like this guy's a bit of an outlier, yeah.
• 1:38:47
  So if he's got a big clientele as well, he's obviously making a
• 1:38:51
  shit ton of money. And I would imagine they all get
• 1:38:56
  a very similar program because he's just got them on the
• 1:39:00
  conveyor belt one end, print and send to them and then on to the
• 1:39:05
  next. And like a lot of them boys are
• 1:39:09
  just putting their like they're just getting generic programs
• 1:39:11
  off ChatGPT and charging extortionate prices like that's
• 1:39:17
  the same. So same with that runner app.
• 1:39:20
  Like it's all AI generated. So fair enough.
• 1:39:24
  It will get you to a certain level.
• 1:39:26
  But if you want to actually really do well in the sport,
• 1:39:30
  you're going to need more specific training does tailor to
• 1:39:33
  you. So like any idiot can tell you
• 1:39:37
  to run three days a week, do a session, you're going to get
• 1:39:40
  fitter if you keep it up. If you're starting from nothing,
• 1:39:43
  you do that, you're going to get fitter no matter what.
• 1:39:45
  And that's what Ron is basically doing.
• 1:39:48
  So I think I remember the Inside Running podcast, Brady got a
• 1:39:53
  subscription for like a couple of times a couple of weeks and
• 1:39:55
  he's wanted to run like a 216 marathon or something.
• 1:39:58
  And I was telling to run like 70 KA week or something like stupid
• 1:40:03
  because it's just not tailored for like that level.
• 1:40:08
  If you get me now 216 is an incredible, but umm, yeah, I
• 1:40:12
  feel like for the average runner, it will get you by.
• 1:40:16
  But if you want to actually do really, really well, umm, or
• 1:40:20
  just improve more, umm, yeah, you're certainly going to need a
• 1:40:24
  tailored. And program by a person who
• 1:40:27
  knows what they're talking about.
• 1:40:30
  Yeah, Runner is 1 bridge. I won't mind you burning because
• 1:40:35
  I don't think we'd kind of align to those sort of copy and paste
• 1:40:40
  like program, 10K program, 5K program.
• 1:40:43
  Like that's not how it works, is it?
• 1:40:45
  The sad thing is they're obviously Runner and this coach,
• 1:40:49
  they kind of aim towards those people who are new to training,
• 1:40:53
  so they don't actually know can. They may not know what training
• 1:40:57
  looks like or how it should look like.
• 1:40:59
  So when they receive it from whichever source it is, it's
• 1:41:03
  going to be good regardless because it's structured week.
• 1:41:06
  You do different types of runs, but it's not structured to that
• 1:41:10
  given person. And yeah, unfortunately, there's
• 1:41:15
  plenty of people out there making a shit ton of money from
• 1:41:18
  probably doing not too much runner included.
• 1:41:22
  And when you see this could be offending some listeners here,
• 1:41:27
  but I don't reckon we might have too many in this post.
• 1:41:30
  But when you see at Runner in someone's bio on Instagram, it's
• 1:41:34
  a bit of a red flag for me. There's a full blown red flag,
• 1:41:37
  but it's ground to a certain level like runner, like I.
• 1:41:42
  It's a waste of money, but it's grand to a certain level if
• 1:41:43
  that's what you spend your money on.
• 1:41:45
  Yeah, it's like a it's a couch to 5K type thing, isn't it?
• 1:41:49
  Yeah, it has like. You don't need runner.
• 1:41:52
  You don't even be paying money to runner to get what's telling
• 1:41:56
  you. You can literally put into
• 1:41:57
  charge, put whatever you want into ChatGPT and I'll spit you
• 1:42:00
  out the exact same what runners doing for free.
• 1:42:03
  So yeah, I actually do not know how runner is still actually
• 1:42:08
  like a thing. Because it went through the
• 1:42:11
  bloody merger with Strava and now the bloody printing.
• 1:42:16
  Yeah, but it's it gets people into running which is which is 1
• 1:42:21
  good thing like some people are using it.
• 1:42:25
  I guess it's a good starting point.
• 1:42:26
  It helps you kind of learn the the day-to-day in the process
• 1:42:31
  what how weeks might be set up and stuff.
• 1:42:33
  But if you're looking to get the best out of yourself, maybe not
• 1:42:39
  Dean. We need you to stop sitting on
• 1:42:41
  the fence and Give your opinion on this one.
• 1:42:44
  It goes on me. Yeah.
• 1:42:49
  Is it Kaizen? Is that another app which I'm
• 1:42:52
  not super familiar with, but I understand it's actually much
• 1:42:55
  more. There's a lot more data, I
• 1:42:57
  think. Is that the one that's got a bit
• 1:43:00
  more guts to it? Is that where it like consumes
• 1:43:03
  your training and maybe algorithms help make predictions
• 1:43:07
  or something? Yeah, I feel like maybe that's
• 1:43:09
  got a bit more substance to it, but but yeah, I think paying
• 1:43:14
  overs for a coach and the coach maybe not being that, well
• 1:43:17
  credentialed is, yeah, I agree with you, Ryan.
• 1:43:20
  It's not a good thing to be doing.
• 1:43:21
  And that's hard. Like as these like things
• 1:43:24
  emerge, like 1520 years ago, I don't think there was much by
• 1:43:28
  way of formal running groups and running programs.
• 1:43:31
  Like it wasn't as much a thing. It was all pretty amateurish.
• 1:43:34
  People would join a coach and you'd often wouldn't even pay
• 1:43:37
  them. They would just volunteer some
• 1:43:38
  time. You'd run in a group and then
• 1:43:40
  you'd sort of self direct what you did and you learned what to
• 1:43:43
  do based on magazines and talking to people on long runs.
• 1:43:46
  So their whole industry has evolved a lot.
• 1:43:48
  But as it has, it's not really all that well regulated.
• 1:43:52
  And as a result, you can have these people come in and claim
• 1:43:55
  that they're amazing and should pay him a lot of money.
• 1:43:58
  But yeah, buy beware. It's probably not the best way
• 1:44:02
  to spend your spend your biggies.
• 1:44:05
  I remember when I was first getting into it thinking I feel
• 1:44:09
  like a right plan pass getting a coach, like I'm not good enough
• 1:44:12
  to have a coach. But it's how how quickly has the
• 1:44:15
  that like mindset or landscape changed now?
• 1:44:18
  Like if you don't have a coach, just like, Oh well, do you not
• 1:44:21
  want to get better? It's the second time this week
• 1:44:25
  I've heard you use the term plant pot.
• 1:44:27
  Let's go on. What else do they use it for?
• 1:44:30
  Must describe it myself. Describing yourself a better
• 1:44:33
  just when you met voice memo how you fell off your bike.
• 1:44:40
  It's a PC term to describe, but yeah.
• 1:44:44
  Guys got Scott, BE got fourth. Unfortunately your man Labalo
• 1:44:49
  got third after me saying he bronze medal.
• 1:44:53
  He got baited, yeah. He got beat.
• 1:44:57
  Yeah, nice. Thanks very much for wait.
• 1:45:01
  That's me from Portugal, guys. I'm going to get back inside.
• 1:45:05
  The sun's burning down on me. So yeah, only got in.
• 1:45:10
  Oh yeah, safe flight home. Thanks guys.
• 1:45:12
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:45:15
  Thanks for joining us for another week.
• 1:45:17
  We'll be back next week to do it all over again.
• 1:45:20
  See you guys. See you mate.
• 1:45:22
  See you guys.