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A Powerful Reminder of God's Faithfulness · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 1: Somewhere in the bowels of the city that never sleeps
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  Speaker 2: It's Kevin McCullough, Monday through Friday on That Kevin Show.
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  Speaker 1: hope that you'll do that. I really want to, I just,
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  Speaker 1: I am so overwhelmed with Thanksgiving today. I want to
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  Speaker 1: relay a story to you that I'm now officially, as
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  Speaker 1: of today, able to tell publicly. There were some details
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  Speaker 1: that needed to be confirmed and some people that were
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  Speaker 1: involved that wanted to, you know, we wanted to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that this was all done in good taste and
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  Speaker 1: good time. You may have noticed I raise a lot
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  Speaker 1: of money for organizations, organizations I believe in, organizations that
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  Speaker 1: are doing amazing work, whether it's freeing slaves or feeding
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  Speaker 1: hungry people or getting the Bible into the hands of
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  Speaker 1: people that don't have them. I feel like there's something
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  Speaker 1: that we can all do to make this world better
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  Speaker 1: on a regular basis. And so it's one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons why from the very first moment I ever had
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  Speaker 1: a chance to be heard across the country in syndication.
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  Speaker 1: I recognize it as a gift from God. It's something
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  Speaker 1: that he made happen, not me. It's something that I
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  Speaker 1: feel grateful for. And it's something that I want to
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  Speaker 1: give a part of my platform back to him in
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  Speaker 1: kind of a vocational tithe, if you will, in terms
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  Speaker 1: of using this Because a lot of people use the
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  Speaker 1: platforms that they build for all kinds of reasons, and
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  Speaker 1: some of them very good reasons. I think that trying
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  Speaker 1: to get the nation to elect honest people of integrity
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  Speaker 1: to office and fight for good policies and all that
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  Speaker 1: stuff really matters. I think that encouraging people in their
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  Speaker 1: faith and in their walk really matters. I think that
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  Speaker 1: all of this really matters.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I believe that pointing people to good causes and
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  Speaker 1: getting people involved in the fight is also good. And
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  Speaker 1: from my many days at Salem and before that with
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  Speaker 1: a network out of the South called AFR and before
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  Speaker 1: that with a network in the Midwest called Moody, helping
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  Speaker 1: raise money for those causes has just become part and
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  Speaker 1: parcel of my DNA. But I have never, and I
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  Speaker 1: mean ever, been more grateful to God for for his
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  Speaker 1: movement amongst listeners, like what we just experienced with the
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  Speaker 1: Bible League. And you may have noticed we haven't talked
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  Speaker 1: about it in the last several days. That's because we've
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  Speaker 1: completed our campaign with them, like we said was going
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  Speaker 1: to happen. But going into our final weekend, we were
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  Speaker 1: about 2,000 Bibles behind where we needed to be. And
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  Speaker 1: I was bothered by that. Because I know that giving
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  Speaker 1: Bibles to people isn't something that the general public is
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  Speaker 1: going to be strongly motivated to do. But I was
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  Speaker 1: hoping that there were enough listeners in this amazing audience
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  Speaker 1: from Anchorage to Key West, from San Diego all the
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  Speaker 1: way up to Kennebunkport and everywhere in between. I was
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  Speaker 1: hoping that there would be enough listeners that could get
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  Speaker 1: 10,000 Bibles to Christians who live in persecuted regions who
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  Speaker 1: have been asking for them to get them for them.
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  Speaker 1: When they only cost $ 5, I'm like, come on, we
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  Speaker 1: can do this. But going into that final weekend, we
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  Speaker 1: were about 2,000 down, 2,000 Bibles away from the goal.
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  Speaker 1: So I just spent some time in prayer and I
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  Speaker 1: asked God to move in people's hearts. And I know
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  Speaker 1: that there are some of you that even me mentioning
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  Speaker 1: prayer just already bothers you. Just keep listening. It's okay.
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  Speaker 1: My skin is thick enough. You can resent me praying.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine. I asked him specifically to move in people's
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  Speaker 1: hearts and in the hearts of listeners who had heard
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  Speaker 1: the campaign and maybe felt a pull but hadn't responded.
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  Speaker 1: I asked him to move in the hearts of those
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  Speaker 1: who had larger than average resources that maybe be able
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  Speaker 1: to step up and could champion this cause, one that
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  Speaker 1: primarily believers care about. And I made a final plea
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  Speaker 1: on that Friday along the same lines. Now, you have
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  Speaker 1: to remember, we had some spiritual opposition in this campaign.
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  Speaker 1: I read to you some of the emails from people,
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  Speaker 1: one specifically from a guy who said, there's no God
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  Speaker 1: that works miracles today and praying doesn't solve anything. So
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  Speaker 1: why are you asking people to pray and give Bibles
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  Speaker 1: to people? That's not going to help them at all. Well,
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  Speaker 1: consider this little story a piece of my argument back
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  Speaker 1: to that email. Because I prayed and I asked God
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  Speaker 1: for those things. And I prayed and then I waited.
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  Speaker 1: And then I prayed all weekend. And then that morning
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  Speaker 1: before we got our final report of what had come in,
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  Speaker 1: I prayed again. I prayed that the 2,000 Bibles would
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  Speaker 1: have been supplied. People listening that weren't believers were openly
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  Speaker 1: antagonistic in email throughout the campaign, more so than I've
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  Speaker 1: seen in the past. But maybe it backfired. Okay, Lord,
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  Speaker 1: you did it. You answered the prayers. Your people responded
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  Speaker 1: to your leading, and you did something that even the
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  Speaker 1: cynics pointed to and said couldn't be done. And then
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  Speaker 1: we got wind of another gift. that had begun processing
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  Speaker 1: by ACH. Do you know what ACH is? It's that
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  Speaker 1: bank-to-bank payment that ensures that it's actually money coming in
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  Speaker 1: and not credit card or not anything else. And when
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  Speaker 1: that ACH deposit had been completed and the accounting finally
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  Speaker 1: reflected it, that single gift was $ 111, 000 worth plus $ 218
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  Speaker 1: additional dollars. $ 111, 218 had been received in a single gift.
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  Speaker 1: So on the original goal of 10,000 Bibles, we missed it.
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  Speaker 1: We couldn't hit the goal. We just totally botched the assignment.
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  Speaker 1: Because instead of 10,000 Bibles, now 41,000 Bibles, when you
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  Speaker 1: included all the matching Bibles that were given too, now
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  Speaker 1: 41,000 Bibles missing. I get a lot of questions from
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  Speaker 1: people about how Salem.
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  Speaker 6: Has changed and is changing.
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  Speaker 1: Because we went private not long ago. And I get
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  Speaker 1: to tell them that we are on mission more thoroughly
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  Speaker 1: than we have ever been before. We are about telling
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  Speaker 1: the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are about speaking the
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  Speaker 1: truth to a culture that is lost. We are about
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  Speaker 1: providing hope when the world says there's no reason to
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  Speaker 1: have any. And for the foreseeable future, when I tell
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  Speaker 1: that story of being on mission and being in partnership
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  Speaker 1: with you, my listeners, this is the story that will
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  Speaker 1: be the picture in my mind for years to come.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for every single person who gave to BibleLeak.
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  Speaker 1: For every one of those 41,000 Bibles. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: showing and proving that God is faithful. and that even
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  Speaker 1: when cynics say that he is powerless and cannot work,
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  Speaker 1: he is in the business of proving the cynics wrong,
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  Speaker 1: not to make them feel bad, just to say he
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  Speaker 1: is God, and he will do what his will is.
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  Speaker 1: We get these reports that come in when we have
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  Speaker 1: these campaigns, and I'm printing the one out that I
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  Speaker 1: got today, because it shows the 41,000 Bibles accounted for.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to put it in a frame. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to hold on to it for a long time.
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  Speaker 7: Here he is from New York, that.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin, Kevin McCullough. All right, welcome back. It is the
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of That Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com. It is a
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  Speaker 1: somber day. It is a serious day. As I said
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  Speaker 1: in the opening, we're going to focus a little bit
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  Speaker 1: on what it means to be three years past October 7th.
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  Speaker 1: I've got more thoughts on that coming up. But before
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  Speaker 1: we get to any of the news, before we get
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  Speaker 1: to any of the cultural stuff today, I want to
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  Speaker 1: do what we always do. I want to stop and
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  Speaker 1: I want to ground our time together in asking the
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  Speaker 1: big question, how do we live? How do we live
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  Speaker 1: in a culture that despises God, dislikes His Word, and
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  Speaker 1: looks upon His followers with a lot of suspicion, does
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  Speaker 1: that change our mission? Does it change what we're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be about? I would argue not. And I would
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  Speaker 1: also argue that we need to be even better at
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  Speaker 1: living on mission because of all of that. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why I'm grateful for shepherds across the country who take
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  Speaker 1: a full week out of their busy month to spend
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  Speaker 1: it with us. And Senior Pastor Bill Bailey of Journey
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  Speaker 1: by Grace Church. He's going to figure it out eventually.
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  Speaker 1: He's only been doing it for 52 years. He'll get
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  Speaker 1: good at it one of these days. But he's going
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  Speaker 1: to be with us all this week. And we've been
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  Speaker 1: looking at Matthew chapter 11. And Bill, I've been very
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  Speaker 1: grateful for the reminder of what the path of the
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  Speaker 1: Christian is. And that when we come to Jesus, and
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  Speaker 1: even if we have heavy burdens... that he gives us rest.
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  Speaker 1: That's Matthew 11, 29. That's Matthew 11, 28. Matthew 11,
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  Speaker 1: 29 is what we're going to look at today, and
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  Speaker 1: it advances that thought considerably.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Kevin, it does. This is an amazing passage. It
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  Speaker 8: It's fodder for a lot of thought, that's for sure. Well,
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  Speaker 8: let me quickly read the text and then I'll make
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  Speaker 8: a few comments here. It's Matthew 11, 28, one of
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  Speaker 8: the great invitations of Scripture.
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  Speaker 6: Jesus said, come to me, all of you.
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  Speaker 8: Who are that labor and are heavy laden, and I
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  Speaker 8: will give you rest. And then he says, take my
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  Speaker 8: yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am
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  Speaker 8: meek and lowly. I briefly discussed these two verses yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: Verse 28 is a call to salvation. Verse 29, I think,
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  Speaker 8: is a call to discipleship. And Jesus makes this next
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  Speaker 8: statement very powerful. It's a very important statement, let me
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  Speaker 8: put it that way. He says, for my yoke, the
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  Speaker 8: next verse says, for my yoke is easy and my
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  Speaker 8: burden is light. Now, I'm of the opinion the reason
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  Speaker 8: Jesus is saying this is because really everything about the
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  Speaker 8: Christian way of life is driven by.
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  Speaker 6: The grace of God.
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  Speaker 8: Everything from beginning to end and everything in between, it's
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  Speaker 8: all driven by God's grace.
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  Speaker 6: And grace is the idea that God is the one who.
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  Speaker 8: Is doing the work. God works within us. And then,
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  Speaker 8: of course, he works through us. And it's always based
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  Speaker 8: on the principle of grace. And in my view, grace
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  Speaker 8: is the real charm of the Christian message. So I'd
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  Speaker 8: like to spend just a couple of moments.
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  Speaker 6: Thinking about this.
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  Speaker 8: And that means we need a definition to work with.
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  Speaker 8: And so first, I'll offer you a traditional definition and
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  Speaker 8: then give you my own. But the traditional definition, everyone
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  Speaker 8: has heard it before. It's the unmerited grace. undeserved favor
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  Speaker 8: and blessing of God. And of course, that's a good definition.
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  Speaker 8: It's always undeserved. It's always unmerited. But I don't think
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  Speaker 8: that definition goes far enough. I would suggest that grace
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  Speaker 8: as a Christian concept is all the blessing that God
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  Speaker 8: is now free to give us freely, all because of
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  Speaker 8: what Jesus accomplished in our behalf as our substitute in
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  Speaker 8: death upon the cross, removing the.
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  Speaker 6: Barrier of sin forever.
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  Speaker 8: And so my point is, on the cross, Jesus removes
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  Speaker 8: the barrier.
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  Speaker 6: Of sin forever.
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  Speaker 8: That had separated mankind from God since the time of Adam.
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  Speaker 8: And now, because of the cross, all that God has
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  Speaker 8: to give us is free for the taking as we
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  Speaker 8: receive it through empty hands of faith. Grace is the
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  Speaker 8: one thing that has been transformative.
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  Speaker 6: In my life, I can tell you. As a young pastor,
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  Speaker 6: I began....
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  Speaker 8: I began thinking that it was up to me to
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  Speaker 8: make everything happen. And so I started ministry in 1972
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  Speaker 8: or 75. And by the middle of 1980, I was
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  Speaker 8: ready to crash. I was ready to throw in the towel.
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  Speaker 8: Because I was laboring under the opinion.
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  Speaker 6: That if it is to be, it's up to me.
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  Speaker 6: I had to make it happen.
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  Speaker 8: And then I discovered this amazing truth about the grace
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  Speaker 8: of God. And it's been so transforming to let God
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  Speaker 8: do the work through me and through the people of God.
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  Speaker 8: And what a change that brings about in our lives. Now,
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  Speaker 8: I would also add, I found it helpful to consider
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  Speaker 8: the biblical categories of God's grace. For example, there is
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  Speaker 8: what theologians call common grace, and that refers to the
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  Speaker 8: grace of God.
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  Speaker 6: That we all share in common.
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  Speaker 8: There's another category of God's grace that I think is
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  Speaker 8: helpful to understand, And it's what I call logistical grace support.
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  Speaker 6: Logistics, of course, is.
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  Speaker 8: A military term that is all about the science of supplying.
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  Speaker 8: You can imagine you send troops into.
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  Speaker 6: The field of battle.
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  Speaker 8: We have to provide for them. And that's the whole
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  Speaker 8: concept of logistics. But I think that also applies to Christians.
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  Speaker 8: God has a plan for our life. He's given us
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  Speaker 8: a spiritual gift. And he calls us to serve him
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  Speaker 8: and to live for him. And he promises to take
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  Speaker 8: care of all of our needs, to supply us with
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  Speaker 8: the riches of his grace, is the way the scripture
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  Speaker 8: puts it. So we can count on God to take
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  Speaker 8: care of our needs, physical, material, and most of all,
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  Speaker 8: of course, spiritual, logistical grace. There's another category that is
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  Speaker 8: very important.
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  Speaker 6: It's what I call dying grace.
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  Speaker 8: David said in Psalm 23, though I walk through the valley....
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  Speaker 6: Of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil.
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  Speaker 8: As a pastor, I have witnessed dying grace hundreds of times.
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  Speaker 6: Being at the bedside of.
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  Speaker 8: True believers and to see how they pass from this life.
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  Speaker 6: Into the next.
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  Speaker 8: Boy, I have some amazing stories that I just.
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  Speaker 8: Goose bumpy, for sure, of things that have happened in
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  Speaker 8: that little time frame where a person transitions from here
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  Speaker 8: to the presence of the Lord. There's one other category
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  Speaker 8: that I'll mention. And in Ephesians 2, 7, Paul talks
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  Speaker 8: about the ages which are to come. and he says
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  Speaker 8: God is going to show the riches of his grace
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  Speaker 8: in our life throughout the ages.
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  Speaker 6: That are future to us.
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  Speaker 8: That's Ephesians 2.7. It's hard really to understand what is
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  Speaker 8: all implied in that, but we know there are ages
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  Speaker 8: in the future to come. We're living now in the
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  Speaker 8: church age, and the Bible talks about the millennial age.
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  Speaker 8: At any rate, there are ages to come, and somehow
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  Speaker 8: God is going to.
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  Speaker 6: Use us as a.
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  Speaker 8: Demonstration of His great love and mercy.
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  Speaker 1: Great reminders today on this big, big concept of what
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  Speaker 1: grace is. And Pastor Bill, we appreciate it. Looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to continuing this discussion tomorrow and Friday as we kind
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  Speaker 1: of bring the thoughts to a close and kind of
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  Speaker 1: wrap everything up and tell people how we can apply
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  Speaker 1: all this as we go into our weekend. But thank
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  Speaker 1: you for sharing your heart again today. We're so grateful.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you bet. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Kevin McCullough coming right back. It's That Kevin Show.
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  Speaker 10: Here he is from New York.
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  Speaker 4: That Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough. Welcome back to Times Square. Kevin McCullough, glad
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  Speaker 1: to have you with us. Always glad to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: And everything that we do is at the website, thatkevinshow.com.
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  Speaker 1: That Kevin Show, of course, the name of the show.
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  Speaker 1: And I am the aforementioned That Kevin. Always good to
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  Speaker 1: welcome back friends, longtime friends to the show as well.
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  Speaker 1: And Dr. Robert Jeffress is actually met me when we
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  Speaker 1: were doing something called the Fox News Strategy Room about
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  Speaker 1: 155 years ago that was just online. It was just
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  Speaker 1: an online thing that they had. And you remember that
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  Speaker 1: little hallway, Dr. Jeffress, in the back of the 12th floor?
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  Speaker 1: It was like about two feet wide, and that was
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  Speaker 1: the green room for the strategy room. Anyway, going back
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  Speaker 1: a ways. Welcome back. Of course, senior pastor of First
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  Speaker 1: Baptist Dallas, radio ministry, Pathway to Victory, and so many books.
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  Speaker 1: that have helped so many people. I can't even begin
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  Speaker 1: to name them all right now, but he's got a
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  Speaker 1: new one. This is it, Divine Invasions, Experience God's Miracle
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  Speaker 1: in Your Life Today. And Dr. Jeffress, it's great to
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  Speaker 1: see you.
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  Speaker 4: Great to see you again, Kevin. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: You've preached on a lot of different topics. You've exposited
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  Speaker 1: Scripture verse by verse through most, if not all, of
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  Speaker 1: the text of Scripture. Why a book about miracles for
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  Speaker 1: Robert Jeffress?
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  Speaker 4: Well, a part of it is my own faith journey.
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  Speaker 11: You know, where, Kevin, I grew up in a theological tradition,
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  Speaker 11: went to a well-known seminary that taught the cessationist point
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  Speaker 11: of view, which simply meant that miracles have ceased. They
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  Speaker 11: were reserved for biblical times or pre-biblical times, but there's
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  Speaker 11: no need for miracles any longer. We've got the scripture,
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  Speaker 11: and that's how we validate whether somebody is from God
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  Speaker 11: or not. But I've just come to see both from
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  Speaker 11: the scripture and in my own experience, that's just not so.
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  Speaker 11: I believe God does perform miracles today. I think maybe
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  Speaker 11: one of the differences is, as my predecessor, Dr. Criswell,
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  Speaker 11: used to say, I believe in faith healing. I don't
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  Speaker 11: believe in faith healers. And there is a difference in
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  Speaker 11: the two. But I do believe God is at work.
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  Speaker 11: And I think you can go to extremes. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: there are some people who deny that there are such
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  Speaker 11: things as miracles today. The other extreme is, too, everything
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  Speaker 11: is a miracle. That empty parking space in front of Dunkin' Donuts,
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  Speaker 11: a miracle. Praise God, you know. And so I think
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  Speaker 11: there's a balance in there. And in this book, Divine Invasions,
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  Speaker 11: we're basically saying God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: He has a plan.
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  Speaker 11: And as James said, we have not because we ask not.
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  Speaker 11: I think we can get into this later. Probably the
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  Speaker 11: most important chapter in my book, Divine Invasions, is the
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  Speaker 11: chapter what to do when your miracle doesn't come.
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  Speaker 1: OK, I want to talk about all of those things
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think we could talk about anything that
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  Speaker 1: would be more practical to people's lives than what you
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  Speaker 1: have just said on so many different levels. But let
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  Speaker 1: me start with something elementary. What is God communicating to
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  Speaker 1: us when a miracle that we may be hoping, praying,
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  Speaker 1: asking God for doesn't occur?
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  Speaker 11: Let me just mention two of the things we ought
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  Speaker 11: to remember when our miracle doesn't come. I think, first
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  Speaker 11: of all, we need to maintain a ministry perspective. There's
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  Speaker 11: a reason God allows us to go through difficulties. You know,
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  Speaker 11: Isaiah 43 says, when you go through the water, when
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  Speaker 11: you go through the fire, when you go through the flood,
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  Speaker 11: I will be with you. God's plan isn't to take
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  Speaker 11: us out of every suffering, but he goes through it
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  Speaker 11: with us. And I think it's important as we go
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  Speaker 11: through it to remember to have a ministry mindset.
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  Speaker 4: Second Corinthians 1 says this.
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  Speaker 11: God comforts us in our affliction so that we may comfort,
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  Speaker 11: literally strengthen others who have suffered the same affliction. And
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  Speaker 11: I think about our friend Johnny Erickson Tata, nearly seven
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  Speaker 11: decades in a wheelchair. And somebody asked her, said, aren't
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  Speaker 11: you mad at God for not answering your.
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  Speaker 4: Prayer to be healed?
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  Speaker 11: And she said, you know, for God to bring healing
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  Speaker 11: to me and to bring healing to everybody, the only
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  Speaker 11: time that could happen is when there is an end
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  Speaker 11: to sin. Because sin brought about all the suffering in
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  Speaker 11: the world. So for God to remove all the suffering,
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  Speaker 11: he has to put an end to sin. For God
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  Speaker 11: to put an end to sin, Jesus has to come
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  Speaker 11: back again to establish his kingdom. And if Jesus comes
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  Speaker 11: back again, then all opportunity for repentance from others is over.
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  Speaker 11: And he said, I would rather sit in my wheelchair
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  Speaker 11: a little longer. if indeed it gave other people a
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  Speaker 11: chance to come to know Christ as Savior. That's what
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  Speaker 11: I call a kingdom mentality and a kingdom view of suffering.
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  Speaker 1: Truly a ministry perspective, as you described it, for sure. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to take a break in a second, but
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  Speaker 1: I just want to put a footnote on the story
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  Speaker 1: I was telling earlier. So we had these negative people
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  Speaker 1: that were saying what they were saying about us giving
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  Speaker 1: Bibles to people. And I said something about that on
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  Speaker 1: the air. And then as we were getting close to
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  Speaker 1: the end of our campaign, trying to get the last Bibles,
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  Speaker 1: we needed like 2,000 Bibles to get to the goal.
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  Speaker 1: I started getting some taunting emails from people saying, ha, well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see what God's doing. He hasn't even provided for
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  Speaker 1: your Bibles. What kind of miracle is that? Went into
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  Speaker 1: that final weekend, came out. But going into that weekend,
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  Speaker 1: I asked the listeners to this show and I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's people that just don't want those folks
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  Speaker 1: to have Bibles. If it's God's will, I would ask
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  Speaker 1: you to consider in your heart what he wants you
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  Speaker 1: to do. And Dr. Jeffress, on Monday morning, instead of
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  Speaker 1: having 8,000 Bibles raised towards our 10,000, 41,000 Bibles were
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  Speaker 1: handed to people in every third world corner of the
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  Speaker 1: globe that don't have access to them. And I thought, man,
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  Speaker 1: God's great. You just can't put him in a box.
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  Speaker 1: He's too big.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: And I tell you, when you pray that God will
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  Speaker 11: spread his word throughout the world, you know you're praying
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  Speaker 11: in God's will. A lot of times we pray something
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  Speaker 11: we can't know if it's God's will.
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  Speaker 4: We have to say if it's in your will.
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  Speaker 11: But when you pray for the word of God to
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  Speaker 11: be spread, you can know you're right smack in the
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  Speaker 11: middle of God's will.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break.
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  Speaker 6: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Jeffress is my guest. He's coming right back. Divine invasions.
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  Speaker 1: Experience God's miracles in your life today. This is what
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  Speaker 1: it looks like. It looks like it's a quick read.
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  Speaker 1: I just got my copy, so I haven't had a
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  Speaker 1: chance to read it yet. But we'll do that. Coming
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  Speaker 1: right back from New York. Don't go away.
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  Speaker 6: We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 7: Here he is from New York, That Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to have you with us. It's That Kevin Show,
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  Speaker 1: online at thatkevinshow.com. If you want to re-listen to this discussion,
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  Speaker 1: you can do that. The podcast is there. When this
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  Speaker 1: airs on Salem News Channel, the video will be there
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  Speaker 1: as well. And, of course, what we're talking about will
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  Speaker 1: be all linked up. We're talking about divine invasions from Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Jeffress. Experience God's miracles in your life today is
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  Speaker 1: the name of the book.
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  Speaker 6: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Jeffress, I'm sure that you have to do something about
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  Speaker 1: this in the text of the book, and I'm dying
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  Speaker 1: to hear how you answer it. But there are people
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  Speaker 1: that want to define all kinds of things as a miracle.
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  Speaker 1: And you referenced this in your opening statement. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: know that I'm guilty of what you said, almost verbatim,
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  Speaker 1: where I'll be going somewhere and you have no idea
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  Speaker 1: what a miracle it is. Maybe in the Dunkin' Donuts
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  Speaker 1: in Dallas, Texas, it seems like a miracle to get
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  Speaker 1: a parking spot. But in New York City, if you
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  Speaker 1: find a parking spot in New York, it is a
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  Speaker 1: miracle someday.
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  Speaker 4: Hallelujah.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not beyond saying under my breath. As we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what to do, Lord, just give
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  Speaker 1: me direction and there'll be a spot that opens up
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  Speaker 1: or there'll be something that happens. A fortuitous, a serendipitous
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  Speaker 1: occurrence that doesn't seem to be strongly supernatural necessarily in
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  Speaker 1: its presence. No one's leg got suddenly longer or longer.
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  Speaker 1: or cancer suddenly disappeared, but there's a parking spot. Is
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  Speaker 1: it right for us to be totally grateful to God
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  Speaker 1: for those tiny miracles?
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  Speaker 11: I think there's everything right with praying for those things.
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  Speaker 11: I think God cares about our smallest needs as well
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  Speaker 11: as our biggest needs. And I think, you know, the
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  Speaker 11: imagery of a child talking to a father, I think
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  Speaker 11: that's the appropriate thing here.
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  Speaker 4: That God tells us to ask anything.
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  Speaker 11: And he will answer according to his will. So there's
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  Speaker 11: nothing sinful about praying for those small things that make
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  Speaker 11: life easier.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the reason I ask about the definition, because
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  Speaker 1: you have the other kind of end of the spectrum here.
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  Speaker 1: I ordered a pizza from Domino's, and when it came,
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  Speaker 1: I saw the face of Jesus in the pepperoni. Or
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  Speaker 1: there was a tear, crying tears down the side of
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  Speaker 1: a concrete building, whatever. There are those types of elements
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  Speaker 1: as well. What's your take on those types of things
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  Speaker 1: that people call miracles?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm skeptical. I'm a natural skeptic of those things.
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  Speaker 11: But I tell you, Kevin, the older I get, The
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  Speaker 11: less limitations I put on what God can do.
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  Speaker 1: Say that again.
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  Speaker 4: I said, well, the older.
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  Speaker 11: I get, I put the less in the limitations on
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  Speaker 11: what God can do.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that?
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  Speaker 11: You know, for example, you hear in the Middle East
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  Speaker 11: about the spirit of Jesus appearing to Muslims and given
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  Speaker 11: a divine revelation of himself. And I used to say, oh, no, no,
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  Speaker 11: that never happens because everything we need to know about
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  Speaker 11: God is in the Bible. But Kevin, what about those
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  Speaker 11: who don't have a Bible? What about those who don't
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  Speaker 11: have a translation available to them? I'm not going to
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  Speaker 11: put God in a box and say what he can
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  Speaker 11: and can't do. He can do anything as long as
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  Speaker 11: it's consistent with his will and his character. God can't
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  Speaker 11: do anything that's outside of his character.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's the point of even the signs that
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  Speaker 1: he worked when he walked among us, is it not?
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't that he had the potential to do these
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  Speaker 1: amazing things. People joke often that when he raised Lazarus,
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  Speaker 1: it was very important that he put Lazarus's name before
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  Speaker 1: the command because at the announcement of the Almighty for
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  Speaker 1: the dead to come forth, he would have emptied every
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  Speaker 1: grave in Jerusalem that day.
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  Speaker 11: And think about what a lousy thing it was for Lazarus.
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  Speaker 4: He had to die again. He had to go through
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  Speaker 4: it twice.
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  Speaker 11: So the miracle was not for Lazarus's benefit. He had
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  Speaker 11: a short-term benefit. It was to prove that Jesus was
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  Speaker 11: who he said he was.
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  Speaker 1: There's an ultimate miracle that took place on the cross.
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  Speaker 1: And we know it best through the eyes of one
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  Speaker 1: of them that were hanging next to him. The ability
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  Speaker 1: for Jesus to give grace and mercy and forgiveness to
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  Speaker 1: even someone who couldn't go to Sunday school or give
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  Speaker 1: an offering or. go to a men's group or go
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  Speaker 1: to a seeker service or there was nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Or get baptized.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, none of it. No good works, no actions at all.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to me about the miracle of salvation and why
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  Speaker 1: that's the primary miracle that really we as believers should
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  Speaker 1: be championing above all others.
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  Speaker 11: Well, I can't believe you haven't read my book because
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  Speaker 11: you just got the last chapter. And instead of a
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  Speaker 11: divine invasion, I call it the divine invitation.
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  Speaker 6: Hmm.
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  Speaker 11: God's divine invitation to all of us is to come
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  Speaker 11: to faith in Christ. And Kevin, here's the miracle that
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  Speaker 11: those of us who are spiritually dead can suddenly become
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  Speaker 11: spiritually alive. Those of us who are on the road
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  Speaker 11: to hell can suddenly be on the road to heaven.
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  Speaker 11: That's the greatest miracle at all. By simply confessing our
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  Speaker 11: sins and our need for a Savior, we can enter
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  Speaker 11: into God's forever family and be a child of God
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  Speaker 11: with all the privileges that go along with that, including
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  Speaker 11: the privilege of of asking anything in his name that
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  Speaker 11: we desire and knowing that he will answer it according
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  Speaker 11: to his perfect will.
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  Speaker 1: About half of the people that are listening to this
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  Speaker 1: show right now are on stations that don't claim any
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  Speaker 1: form of faith. And I'm just wondering, Dr. Jeffress, if
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't take a second to talk to that person
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  Speaker 1: that may be listening right now about why, if you
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  Speaker 1: were on the path, you would take Jesus up on
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  Speaker 1: that miracle.
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  Speaker 11: You know, for whoever's listening right now, you don't need
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  Speaker 11: a Baptist preacher.
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  Speaker 4: To tell you that you've made mistakes, that you've sinned.
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  Speaker 4: I've sinned. I've sinned terribly.
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  Speaker 11: The Bible says all of us have sinned and fallen
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  Speaker 11: short of the glory of God.
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  Speaker 4: But God has provided a.
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  Speaker 11: Way that we can be forgiven of our sins. And
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  Speaker 11: that's believing that when Jesus died on the cross, he
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  Speaker 11: didn't die for his sins. He didn't have any sins,
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  Speaker 11: but he took the punishment from God that you and
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  Speaker 11: I deserve to take. And the greatest decision we can
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  Speaker 11: ever make is to allow Christ to pay for our
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  Speaker 11: sins instead of us trying to pay for our sins
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  Speaker 11: throughout eternity. And if anybody out there listening to this
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  Speaker 11: right now would love to have that forgiveness, the assurance
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  Speaker 11: that when you die, God is going to welcome you
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  Speaker 11: into his presence. I want you to pray this simple
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  Speaker 11: prayer with me wherever you are. Dear God, thank you
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  Speaker 11: for loving me. I know I have failed you in
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  Speaker 11: many ways, and I'm truly sorry for the sins in
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  Speaker 11: my life. But I believe what I've heard, that you
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  Speaker 11: love me and don't hate me, that you love me
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  Speaker 11: so much you sent your son Jesus to die on
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  Speaker 11: the cross for me, to take the punishment I deserve
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  Speaker 11: to take. Right now, I'm trusting in what Jesus did
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  Speaker 11: for me on the cross, not in my good works,
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  Speaker 11: but in what Jesus did for me on the cross
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  Speaker 11: to save me from my sins. Thank you for forgiving
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  Speaker 11: me and help me to live the rest of my
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  Speaker 11: life for you in Jesus name.
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  Speaker 8: Amen.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 12: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Jeffress, appreciate this so much. You just can't explain it.
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  Speaker 1: Divine invasions, experience God's miracles in your life today. Brand
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  Speaker 1: new from Dr. Jeffress. Go get it. Dr. J, we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk to you again soon.
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  Speaker 4: Can't wait, Kevin. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough coming back to Times Square.
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  Speaker 13: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 9: Stick around for more of That Kevin.
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  Speaker 6: Next.
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  Speaker 9: Serving it up with a no-drink minnow.
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  Speaker 1: It's that Kevin Mac show.
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  Speaker 14: All right, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough, glad to have you with us. Final bit
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  Speaker 1: of hour number one, and it's time to play Kevin
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Plays Stuff Off of X, which is twitter.com if you're
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: not for sure what X is. It's not something that's inappropriate,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: although sometimes crazy people say stuff like this.
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  Speaker 15: Less than 30 days until the midterm election, President Trump
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  Speaker 15: is out on the campaign trail defending the war in Iran.
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: But it's those comments he made about the regime taking
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  Speaker 15: out two American cities that is prompting swift and fierce
• 36:44
  Speaker 15: backlash this morning.
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  Speaker 1: OK, he didn't do that, by the way.
• 36:47
  Speaker 15: This morning, President Trump facing growing criticism after suggesting Iran could, quote,
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  Speaker 15: take out Los Angeles or San Diego, two American cities
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  Speaker 15: run by Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what he said.
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  Speaker 5: Take out a city. Let him take let let him
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: take out Los Angeles. Let him take out San Diego.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: This is a very small price to pay, and it's
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: going to be over with very soon.
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  Speaker 15: Those comments sparking fierce backlash from Democratic leaders in California.
• 37:14
  Speaker 15: Governor Gavin Newsom calling President Trump deranged and dangerous.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: The mayor of San.
• 37:19
  Speaker 15: Diego, Todd Gloria, writing, San Diego is not collateral damage.
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  Speaker 1: He never said you were, but go ahead.
• 37:24
  Speaker 15: We are never a small price to pay. And L.A.
• 37:27
  Speaker 15: Mayor Karen Bass.
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  Speaker 1: Adding, She's a giant intellectual.
• 37:32
  Speaker 15: Not to actively threaten it and encourage attacks on American lives.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not what he did.
• 37:36
  Speaker 15: He's campaigning in Nebraska, defending the war he started in Iran.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: He didn't start the war in Iran.
• 37:43
  Speaker 15: But under pressure to ease the pain before the midterms,
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  Speaker 15: Trump's signing an executive order aimed at bringing down the
• 37:49
  Speaker 15: cost of diesel.
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  Speaker 6: Look at that, isn't that nice?
• 37:52
  Speaker 15: The president won Nebraska by 20 points, but the Senate
• 37:55
  Speaker 15: race is tight. Farmers there and in battleground states across
• 37:58
  Speaker 15: the country have been hit hard by those record diesel prices.
• 38:02
  Speaker 15: Now it's $ 6.
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  Speaker 9: 30 a gallon.
• 38:05
  Speaker 15: The president's executive order will temporarily allow the use of
• 38:08
  Speaker 15: so-called red-dyed diesel, a tax-free fuel typically reserved for heavy
• 38:12
  Speaker 15: machinery like farm.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Equipment and construction.
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  Speaker 15: But some analysts warn the effects will be limited and
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: will not have much impact on prices due to a.
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  Speaker 4: Lack of global support.
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  Speaker 1: Of course the critics would say that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 15: So diesel has skyrocketed about 77% this year due to
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  Speaker 15: this ongoing war with Iran. Now in its seventh month,
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  Speaker 15: President Trump promises that it will be over soon, but
• 38:32
  Speaker 15: this deadline has shifted multiple times. And right now there
• 38:35
  Speaker 15: is no end in sight, George.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So that was from ABC News on Good
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Morning America this morning. And The fact that she got
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: the mayor of San Diego and the mayor of Los
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Angeles and the governor of California to come out and
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: say really dumb stuff doesn't shock me. These kind of
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: people are kind of gifted at that. But ABC and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Good Morning America should know differently. It's one thing for
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the politicians to say stuff like, oh, he advocated that
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: our cities be blown off the map. Not what he did.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: But for her to act as though that was, in fact,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: anywhere close to the context of what he said is
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: just it's just dishonest. It's just utterly dishonest. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why I feel like it's really important for us to
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  Speaker 1: hold the media accountable for exactly what they're trying to pull.
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  Speaker 6: He doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't say that he was going to fight to stop
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Iran from having the ability to take out... He was
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: saying he was going to stop Iran, and he's fighting
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Iran to stop them from having the ability to take
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: out LA and San Diego with a nuclear weapon, which
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: they would if they had the chance.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: He is not.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: talking about the idea that, oh, well, we could just
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: let him do it. And the fact that she could
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: go public on network news and be this slanderous, this
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: libel with what he actually said to me is kind
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of remarkable. I'm even more amazed at this because we
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: at Salem, we just had this big editorial meeting with
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: the entire company, hundreds of people on the call talking
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: about how responsible we need to be in what we
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: say from these microphones. I would Pray that the same
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: thing happens to this girl, Rachel Scott, that happened to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: CBS News and 60 Minutes in the deceptively edited Kamala
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Harris tape. Because this is worse. This is actually slandering
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: what the president said and taking him completely out of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: context and just lying about it. It's really, really, it's disgusting.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It's pig-like. Kevin McCullough coming right back.
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  Speaker 10: The only thing that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Could be greater, of course, would be that Donald show.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: But we don't have that, so we have that Kevin show.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Featuring the music of Dick Tunney and the Dream in
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  Speaker 2: the top headlines of the day and a perspective that
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• 41:41
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  Speaker 2: It's Kevin McCullough, Monday through Friday, on That Kevin Show.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: And now, from the Connors & Sullivan Broadcast Studios, the
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• 42:05
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome into Hour 2. Kevin McCullough, glad to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: have you with us. We will deal with some wellness
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: stuff this episode and looking forward to getting into that
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: with Dr. Monique Yohannan. The Russian plague. What is the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Russian plague? Is it going to take us all? Is
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it going to take us down like COVID? We'll talk
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: about that. We've got some measles updates. We've got some
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: vaccination chat. We've got a whole bunch of stuff going down.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: Dr.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Monique Yohannan, my special guest as we discuss wellness. In
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the next little bit. But I want to talk about
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: something else, because today is October 7th in the Western calendar.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: It was the day that they observed two days ago
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: on the Hebrew calendar, but today it's the Western calendar.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: And last Wednesday, a co-pilot on a fly Dubai flight
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: bound for Tel Aviv attacked his captain mid-flight with a
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: crash axe, trying to seize the plane and commit a
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: 9-11 style attack. flying bomb that wounded pilot and a
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: plane load of strangers stopped him and then just yesterday
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  Speaker 1: Al Qaeda's propaganda wing praised the attempt by name they
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: invoked September 11th directly and called for copycat hijackings against
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: American and Israeli aircraft I will note this was not
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: this was an Arab aircraft Americans and Israelis have kind
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: of caught on by now I hope I wrote recently
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  Speaker 1: about 25 years plus 9-11, and now today we're three
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: years plus October 7. And I didn't think I'd be
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: writing again so soon about an attempted mass casualty atrocity
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that the people cheering it are openly calling a sequel.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: But here we are. So let me ask the question
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: plainly instead of dressing it all up. What exactly have
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: we learned? I'm starting to think the honest answer is
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: not much. And I'm tired of pretending otherwise for the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: sake of sounding gracious. After 9-11, President Bush stood in
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: a mosque and told the country Islam is peace. I
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: understood his impulse behind it at the time. Nobody wanted
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: ordinary Muslim neighbors paying for what 19 men did. Fine.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: But 25 years later, I'm done granting that strategy the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Just because the intention sounded nice,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: a slogan isn't a policy, and repeating it for two
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: and a half decades while the ideology that produced September
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: 11th kept finding new recruiters and new platforms and new
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: sympathizers in plain sight is not evidence that the strategy worked.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: It's evidence that we mistook saying the kind thing for
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: doing the hard thing and never circled back to check
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: whether it was true. After October 7th, the same reflex
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: showed up again, dressed in slightly different language from different administrations,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: aimed at the same reassurance. And I watched the same
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: pattern play out on a faster clock. Hamas filmed its
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: own atrocities and uploaded them for the world to see.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And within weeks, the loudest voices on American college campuses
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and American airwaves weren't condemning what they'd watched. They were
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: explaining it and contextualizing it and cheering it outright. That's
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: where we got a fellow by the name of Hassan Piker.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: He built an audience doing exactly that. Abdul El-Sayed wrote
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: on the record, equating the deaths of 3,000 Americans on
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: September 11th with American deaths in the wars that followed
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: in the same breath, like two sides of a ledger
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: that balance out. Zoran Mamdani has spent a career refusing
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: the easy and obvious condemnations that should cost a public
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: figure nothing to give and gave them anyway, as though
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: withholding them was the braver position. Ilhan Omar has spent
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: years testing exactly how far just asking questions can stretch
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: before it becomes something else entirely, and rarely has found
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the edge of it. I'm not interested anymore in being
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: told this is a fringe phenomenon. Fringe movements don't produce
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: sitting members of Congress and mayoral nominees and the loudest
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: voices in Democratic primaries. This is not the fringe. This
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: is increasingly the mainstream of one entire wing of American politics.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: And pretending otherwise is its own kind of dishonesty. And
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: now I watch Tucker Carlson, a man who built his
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: name on refusing to take the establishment's word for anything,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: treat genocide as settled fact about Gaza. On the same week,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Gaza's own health ministry released mortality data that cuts hard
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: against that claim. And Tucker turns his fire on American
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: officials who were trying to do the genuinely difficult thing,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: protect innocent Palestinians without pretending Hamas and the ideology behind
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: it don't exist. I don't know what moved him there.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: When I'm done speculating about motive, I only know what
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I watched happen. The skeptics stopped being skeptical exactly when
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: skepticism became inconvenient. So 25 years out and three years out,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: here's where I actually land. And there's no bow on this.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: The Islam is peace framing wasn't dishonest because every Muslim
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: who says it is lying. That's not an argument I'm
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: willing to make. and I'd reject it from anyone who
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: tried to make it to me. It was dishonest, or
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: at best naive, because it let American leaders avoid a harder,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: more specific conversation. Which organizations, which mosques, which funding streams,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: which ideologies are actually producing the next axe-wielding co-pilot, and
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: which public figures in our own country are providing cover
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: for them once they emerge? 25 years of pleasant rhetoric
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: didn't answer that question. It postponed it. A man tried
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: to fly a plane into the ground over Israel last week.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: He failed by luck and courage, but not by policy.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Al Qaeda is already asking, who's next? I don't know
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: if we've learned anything in 25 years that actually prevents
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: that question from having an answer. I'd like to believe
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: we have, but I no longer assume it. Friends, it's
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: not just that. The guy that went on to Fort Hood,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: the Army base, and shot all those servicemen and women
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: in an unarmed area of the base. Nidal Hassan. He's finally,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: after all these years, now finally received the death penalty
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: and will be put to death. But how long did
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: that justice take? You see what's happening and you see
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the apologists see people like Tucker and sometimes people like
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Megyn Kelly and some others who are more angry at
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Israel than they are at the terrorists that attacked them
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: where 3,000 of their own people were victims on October
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: 7th and 3,000 people to the land of Israel is
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: a much larger percentage than 3,000 Americans to the land
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: of America I would beg us, as we go to
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the polls this November, to consider what it all means.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Our country has been here for 250 years. It's been
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: 25 years since the worst attack against our homeland and
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: our nation's history. It's been only three years since the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: worst attack against Israel since the Holocaust. And my fear
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: is that with people becoming household names like Piker and
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: El-Sayed and Omar and others, that we are quickly forgetting
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and being distracted by the stupid. We need to remain focused.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: We are a country that has been given many gifts
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: by God. Our freedom... and our right to worship Him
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: most among them, it is time for American leaders to
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: stand for America and to do so in good faith
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that we are one nation under God and that when
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: we are, we are indivisible. With liberty, we seek justice
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: for all. That's my thought. Maybe you disagree. That Kevin
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• 51:10
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• 51:16
  Speaker 1: go back and re-listen to when we have great health
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: experts that come on with us and help us understand
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: what's going on in the public health arena. And Dr.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Monique Yohannan is one of them. She is the one
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: at Independent Women that probably has by far the most
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: credentialed expertise in various fields of medicine and wellness. And Dr. Yohannan,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: you speak with us often, and we're very, very grateful
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: for that. I started seeing this word bubble up in
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: news reports last week. Maybe it was the weekend before
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that even of plague. And, you know, in the aftermath
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: of COVID, I will just tell you A lot of
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: my mom listeners get really nervous about outbreaks that start
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: bubbling up around the world, wondering, being concerned, thinking, what
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: if this turns into another COVID epidemic or pandemic? And
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're anywhere near ready to go through
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: one of those things again, especially with our lack of
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: trust in the big health institutions in the country, the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Trump administration doing everything they can to correct that course.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: But There's just still a lot of sticker shock from
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: COVID in general. So what do we need to know
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: about this plague? Where did it start? What's causing it?
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: What do we know about it?
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 52:36
  Speaker 12: So I'm going to caveat everything that I'm going to
• 52:38
  Speaker 12: say is this.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Is coming from Russia. And we have reports.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: Huge grain of salt.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 52:46
  Speaker 12: No independent confirmation on any of this. The World Health
• 52:50
  Speaker 12: Organization has said they don't have any reason to disbelieve
• 52:54
  Speaker 12: what's coming out of Russia.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: But again, no.
• 52:58
  Speaker 12: Independent verification coming from Russia. So, again, take all of
• 53:03
  Speaker 12: that for what you will. So what we know is
• 53:06
  Speaker 12: there's a single case of this virus. The current issue
• 53:10
  Speaker 12: started September 25th. There's a lab worker. She works in
• 53:15
  Speaker 12: Irkutsk in a plague research lab in Siberia. She is
• 53:21
  Speaker 12: reported to have come in contact with a vial of plague,
• 53:25
  Speaker 12: which is a bacteria that causes it. It's a bacteria
• 53:28
  Speaker 12: we know how to treat. That bacteria, according to what
• 53:32
  Speaker 12: we've heard, a vial broke September 25th, September 29th. She
• 53:37
  Speaker 12: was reported to go to the hospital with pneumonia type symptoms.
• 53:41
  Speaker 12: She died on October 2nd. 200 people who had come
• 53:45
  Speaker 12: in contact with her have since been monitored and extensive monitoring. Again,
• 53:50
  Speaker 12: what is reported, not a single person has come down
• 53:54
  Speaker 12: with any symptoms. because it's a research lab for plague
• 53:59
  Speaker 12: virus or plague bacteria, because they're looking at this and
• 54:04
  Speaker 12: because this kind of death is relatively uncommon, that's what's
• 54:10
  Speaker 12: got people worried.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: But there is no current outbreak.
• 54:14
  Speaker 12: But I can say that just in general, there's a
• 54:17
  Speaker 12: little bit more about plague. I can fill you in
• 54:18
  Speaker 12: if you'd like more detail on it. But let me
• 54:21
  Speaker 12: pause and see if you have questions.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a scary word. And so just when that
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: pops up and, you know, we think of, you know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: the plague that hit Ireland and the potato famine and,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: you know, what happened with people and other biblical forms
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: of plague. It's not a word we use a lot now.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: And so when it does get invoked, I just think
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: there's fear attached to it all the way around.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 54:46
  Speaker 12: So the reason we get worried about the idea of
• 54:49
  Speaker 12: this plague, this type of bacteria is It dates back
• 54:53
  Speaker 12: to the Middle Ages when 30 to up to 50%
• 54:56
  Speaker 12: of the population of Europe died.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: From what we now know was a.
• 55:00
  Speaker 12: Bacteria that infects fleas that like to live on rats.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: So there was a rat infestation.
• 55:06
  Speaker 12: This is before we had modern abilities to detect bacteria,
• 55:10
  Speaker 12: long before we had antibiotics. So 30 to 50% of
• 55:13
  Speaker 12: the population dies. Plague, this bacteria, which is called Yersinia
• 55:18
  Speaker 12: pestis for people who are interested in That bacteria actually
• 55:23
  Speaker 12: continues to circulate. We have several cases of plague every
• 55:27
  Speaker 12: year in the United States, but it's been 100 years
• 55:31
  Speaker 12: since we've had an outbreak in the United States. The
• 55:35
  Speaker 12: fleas that like to host this bacteria, they live on
• 55:39
  Speaker 12: rats and sometimes on cats. So In theory, you can
• 55:45
  Speaker 12: get this from an infected cat or from, say, fleas
• 55:49
  Speaker 12: that are on a rat that you might have an
• 55:51
  Speaker 12: exposure to. Say you got bitten by fleas. There was
• 55:55
  Speaker 12: a case in the Southwest in 2025 where a guy
• 55:59
  Speaker 12: got it from infected cats that coughed on him.
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: So.
• 56:03
  Speaker 12: Don't be afraid if you have cats. If you have
• 56:06
  Speaker 12: an animal and you're worried about this and you have
• 56:08
  Speaker 12: a kitty that is coughing, call your veterinarian.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Get the cat into a vet.
• 56:13
  Speaker 12: If you get sick and you've been exposed to a
• 56:16
  Speaker 12: sick cat, you've been exposed to rats that have fleas
• 56:20
  Speaker 12: for whatever reason. And I don't want to know your
• 56:22
  Speaker 12: life if that's not seeing it in the subway. then
• 56:26
  Speaker 12: go to the emergency department. But bread and butter, respiratory
• 56:30
  Speaker 12: symptoms outside of a sick animal, outside of those sort
• 56:35
  Speaker 12: of flea bites, that's not something to worry about.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: But if, God forbid, you were.
• 56:40
  Speaker 12: Exposed, this is a treatable bacteria with common antibiotics we have.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: So what are the, well, I was just going to
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: ask you, what is the treatment of plague? And why
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: do we have a few cases of it each year?
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: in America, if it's been something that we've found a
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: solution for?
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just a bacterial infection.
• 56:59
  Speaker 12: Just like community-acquired pneumonia, there are certain bugs that live
• 57:02
  Speaker 12: in our community that crop up. We see the last outbreak,
• 57:06
  Speaker 12: as I said, was about 100 years ago. It was
• 57:09
  Speaker 12: in a community in California with Mexican immigrants who there
• 57:12
  Speaker 12: was a rat infestation in the community. And the fleas,
• 57:17
  Speaker 12: just again, this is before antibiotics. And there were a
• 57:19
  Speaker 12: few dozen cases in that instance. In modern times, we
• 57:24
  Speaker 12: haven't had this sort of outbreak. Again, it is very
• 57:27
  Speaker 12: treatable with antibiotics, including oral antibiotics. But you need to
• 57:33
  Speaker 12: get treated early. But this is not something that commonly
• 57:36
  Speaker 12: is spreading. So basically, there are a few ways it
• 57:39
  Speaker 12: can spread. The fleas can jump on somebody. They can
• 57:43
  Speaker 12: spread an infection that gets into the lymph nodes or
• 57:45
  Speaker 12: the blood and into the lungs.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: And people can spread it by coughing.
• 57:50
  Speaker 12: That's the cat that was coughing on the person in 2025.
• 57:55
  Speaker 12: But again, we haven't had outbreaks in the United States
• 57:58
  Speaker 12: in 100 years. And the case in Russia, single case,
• 58:02
  Speaker 12: 200 people exposed, not a single person. had any signs
• 58:07
  Speaker 12: or symptoms yet right now.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: So how long does it stay dormant if it does incubate?
• 58:13
  Speaker 12: So generally speaking, we see symptoms that can become severe
• 58:19
  Speaker 12: within four to seven days of an exposure.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: And is it only upper respiratory? There's no skin... Affliction
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: or anything associated with it?
• 58:26
  Speaker 12: Well, actually, the reason it was called bubonic plague is
• 58:31
  Speaker 12: when the fleas bite the person, it can spread through
• 58:34
  Speaker 12: the lymph nodes and those lymph nodes can swell up.
• 58:38
  Speaker 12: And you might see these big swellings. Those are called buboes, B-U-B-O.
• 58:43
  Speaker 12: That buboe is why we called it bubonic plague. But
• 58:46
  Speaker 12: the way it's generally spread, the way you get bigger
• 58:49
  Speaker 12: outbreaks is that spreads to the lymph nodes or the
• 58:52
  Speaker 12: blood can also infect the lungs. And coughing is a
• 58:55
  Speaker 12: good way to do it. But this is not casual transmission.
• 58:58
  Speaker 12: This is, again, there is not an outbreak that Russia
• 59:01
  Speaker 12: has reported. Asterisk, like it is coming from Russia. So
• 59:05
  Speaker 12: we have to depend on the information as Marco Rubio said,
• 59:09
  Speaker 12: we really hope that they're being forthcoming with us.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: This is not something to play around with.
• 59:14
  Speaker 12: But right now, fortunately, of all the people exposed, they're
• 59:19
  Speaker 12: not reporting any spread beyond that individual who worked in
• 59:23
  Speaker 12: the lab.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Well- We shouldn't have played around with potential bat jumping
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: virus species of virus to humans either in labs in China.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: And that didn't stop some from doing that. So I'm
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: glad that you're able to talk to us on this
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: level about it because it brings me a lot of
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: understanding and hopefully friends where we're going to see a
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: much different. outcome here. Hopefully, there's not much of an
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: outbreak at all besides what this one case has been.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I do want to talk to you about something that
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: you mentioned in relationship to that issue, though. And you
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: said that when the plague was last an outbreak in
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the U.S., that it was attached to immigration. And one
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: of the things that we're dealing with here Um, and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I think a little bit in the Midwest, in Pennsylvania
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and Western New York and some of the rural areas
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: is this outbreak of measles. I'm going to talk about
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: that in a second, but in discussing some of these
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: issues with someone yesterday, um, there was a, there was
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  Speaker 1: a big willingness to put a lot of blame on
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  Speaker 1: the resurgence of what we're seeing in terms of some
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  Speaker 1: of these dead or mostly dead or gone or bypassed
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: era diseases that, um, that they were attributing to an
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  Speaker 1: influx of people being here that have been given immunity
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  Speaker 1: from having to get vaccinated. I'm curious, we've only got
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: about a minute before our next break, but is that
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  Speaker 1: something that you actually are concerned about, that we have
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of people being given vaccine immunity, if you will,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: and we have people that are not getting their MMR
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: and some of the other stuff that's not, we're not
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: talking about controversial stuff, we're not talking about COVID jabs,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: we're talking about the stuff that actually has helped keep
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  Speaker 1: us you know, healthy for the last 50 to 100
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: years in ways that we haven't before. Actually, let's just
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: go ahead and take that break. And when we come back,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you time to answer that.
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  Speaker 6: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Monique Yohannan is with us. She's from the Independent Women,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: longtime private practice, lots of public policy experience. She kind
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: of uses all those skill sets now to try to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: advocate for common sense, medical reforms and policies that help us.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful that she's willing to spend some
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: time with us here at That Kevin Show. Don't go anywhere.
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• 1:01:41
  Speaker 10: Here he is from New York.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 9: That Kevin.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 1: And we're back. It's Times Square. It's Calvin McCullough. It's wellness.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: We're always talking about good stuff, trying to help you.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: And Dr. Monique Yohannan is back with me from the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Independent Women.
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  Speaker 6: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Yohannan, before we went to the break, I asked about
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the implication of immigrants coming into the country. And we had,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, 10 million of them in the four
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: years before Trump was reelected. Many of them not getting
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: or having requirement for any vaccines or any kind of
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: treatment of that sort at all. Do you see a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: connection between that and some of the kind of more
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: rare things that we're seeing kind of outbreak this year?
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  Speaker 12: Well, Kevin, I'm a little upset that you didn't want
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 12: to be controversial because I'm going to say a couple
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 12: of things about this that might be controversial.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm fine being controversial, but I'm also not an
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: expert as you are. Hence, I want your expert opinion
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  Speaker 1: on this.
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  Speaker 12: Well, here's one of the things that I think should
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 12: give us pause. Um, Generally speaking with measles with immigration,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 12: we have used a passive surveillance. So unless we're sure
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 12: that there's an outbreak and public health authorities locally get
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 12: called in, we're not actively looking for this. But there
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 12: was a case a few years back where we did
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 12: actively look, and that was a migrant shelter in Chicago
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 12: that had a large Venezuelan cohort. And there was a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 12: case of measles, and the people at that shelter decided,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 12: let's proactively test measles. And there were dozens of cases
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 12: of measles and they found an incredibly under vaccinated population.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 12: So the one time that we looked at a shelter
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 12: that happens to be in Chicago.
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  Speaker 3: And then I'm going to put another spin on this.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 12: In Minnesota, we have seen, for example, an outbreak in
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 12: the Somali community there.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this is outside of a shelter.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 12: But in Somalia, people actually were not getting vaccinated. When
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 12: Somali immigrants came to the United States for the first
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: couple of years, they actually got vaccinated against measles at
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 12: incredibly high rates.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: And then for whatever.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 12: Reason, they saw rates of autism that still are dwarfing
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 12: the usual community. Now, we don't have any evidence that
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 12: say that this is what caused autism. But when those
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 12: parents have been asked to They are very concerned. So
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 12: the Somali community in Minnesota has basically opted out. Only
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 12: about 30 percent or so of them are getting vaccinated
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 12: against measles because they are afraid of an association.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: This is and the reason I bring it up is this.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 12: We can have public health authorities shaking their fingers at
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 12: parents saying you have to do what we say when
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 12: parents see something. And they are scared, wagging your fingers
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 12: at them and saying, well, people in Denmark have no
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 12: problem with this.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: So shut up and get the vaccine. That's not working.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 12: So, yes, we do have immigrant related outbreaks for a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 12: few different reasons, part of which we don't bother to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 12: check the shelters because I think we don't.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Want to see what we're going to see.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 12: And part of which, because as with always, we seem
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: to want to ignore parents when parents express concerns.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: That's kind of both ends of the opposite spectrum. So
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: what is the solution? If you were king for a day,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: queen for a day, what would Dr. Monique Yohannan suggest
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: in terms of, particularly when you've had massive numbers of
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: people coming illegally, we really don't know what people, I mean,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: we may have an idea of someone's medical history if
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: they come here legally and go through the channels and
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: have a doctor's checkup and other things as they're coming in.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: But people that arrive here without any documentation, that's that's
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  Speaker 1: impossible for us to know.
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  Speaker 14: So what do we do?
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think we have to start with the premise
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 12: that our pretest probability. What's the likelihood that somebody who's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 12: coming in here illegally, often from an impoverished area, that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 12: they had proper vaccinations, that they were fully vaccinated?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Probably not great.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 12: So let's be proactive and actually be testing people. And
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 12: actually be very proactive. And before people are going out
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 12: into the community, making sure these people are getting tested,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 12: making sure they're getting vaccinated.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: We're not doing that proactively.
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  Speaker 12: And so I think minimum people who are coming here
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 12: who we know are unlikely to have an optimal vaccination status.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: I think we need to make sure that we're actually.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 12: Looking for this and not waving it off because you're
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 12: afraid that it'll play into a narrative. People's health is
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 12: important and playing games with it politically, the way that,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 12: for example, I think Governor Shapiro, the way Governor Hochul
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 12: have done, those political games do not help anybody.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Well, we can talk about that in depth a little
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: bit more for sure. But let me ask you this.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: In that same discussion that I've had with people, there
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: seems to be a dividing line. And I've got a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: lot of maha moms that listen to me and a
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: lot of people that, and I was an outspoken critic
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: of the mandates of the COVID vaccine. I didn't think
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: it was tested long enough. I didn't think we knew
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: enough about it. I didn't think there were a lot
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: of things about it that were, that it should have
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: been considered in the category of being able to be mandated,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: et cetera. Is there a difference between And if so,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: what is the distinguishing characteristic between vaccines that have worked
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: for a century and we know that it actually has
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: contributed to community health and standards and safety in the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: way we live in ways that previous generations have not
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: experienced and. the mRNA, the COVID vaccine, the technology that's
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: coming along and says we can manipulate a little bit
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: of this DNA that makes your body think, oh, I've
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: got to create this anti-agent that fights off whatever it
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: is that we're trying to build up immunity for. It
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: seems like in the modern anti-vax versus traditional medicine kind
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: of viewpoints that there is a There is a dividing
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: line somewhere. Where do we draw it? How do we
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: know what it really essentially should be considered? Let's take
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: another break. Give you plenty of time to answer that
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: when we come back. Keep throwing these hard ones at
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: you before we go to the break. But I want
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you to have plenty of time to think about it.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: So stay with us.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: Here he is from New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. Glad you're here. Times Square, Kevin McCullough,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: That Kevin Show, thatkevinshow.com for everything.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 13: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Monique Yohannan, is there a dividing line between vaccines we
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: can have solid faith in? I still don't know that
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you have to mandate everyone to get them all the time,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: but is there a safe bet that we can say
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: we know this is Good research. And should we still
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: be have some skepticism about some of the new stuff
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: that's coming out? What say you?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Let's start first principles. We are Americans. Our religious liberties
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: are central to what it means to be American.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 12: We do not give up our religious liberties for any
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 12: medical intervention. I just I start with that as first principles.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 12: I can be a scientist and be a person of faith.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: I am both. It is essential to me.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 12: That we don't deny religious liberties. And actually, the administration
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 12: just spoke about this, that you can't deny religious exemptions.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 12: That's the first piece.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: High level.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: And I support that 100 percent. I just want people
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: to understand.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 12: And so there are vaccines like for diseases like measles
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 12: that spread casually.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: That really it's hard to opt out of an exposure.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 12: A three-month-old baby is at high risk, and that baby
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 12: can't get vaccinated. If most of us aren't vaccinated, that
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 12: baby isn't protected. But there are vaccines that only protect
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 12: an individual. So the hepatitis B vaccine, for some high-risk communities,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 12: it provides individual protection. It doesn't provide herd immunity. So
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 12: I don't think you have to be completely anti-vax, pro-vax.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 12: I think they're vaccines that are part of a community
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 12: obligation and vaccines that are for a parent to decide
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 12: about the individual protection. But as a final thing, I
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 12: would say with this, when I'm looking at the decisions
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 12: for the mRNA vaccine, just when I think about mRNA,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 12: here's what scares me about it. I think of three
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 12: patterns of inflammation. One, within a day or two of mRNA.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Huge inflammation.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 12: That's why you get the muscle aches, the fever. Then
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 12: you get a... That's really nonspecific. Then you get a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 12: few months of a generally specific response against the bug
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 12: in question. And then you get low-grade inflammation that lives
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 12: what we're seeing for months, if.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: Not years, in many people. And we don't really know
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: fully the long-term harms.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 12: As a quick and dirty vaccine in the middle of
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 12: a pandemic, I can... I can understand Operation Warp Speed
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 12: and President Trump's emphasis on this. That's when we have
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 12: a lack of information. But when we are years out
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 12: and we have the information we have, relying on that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 12: kind of quick and dirty vaccine and that sort of
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 12: overall inflammation and the potential risks for this, I am
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 12: still very concerned about the myocarditis, the heart inflammation, about
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 12: the potential.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Risks for cancer.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 12: I'm not saying it causes those definitively in everybody. I
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 12: am saying there's, in terms of the long-term risks, I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 12: just don't think mRNA.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 12: In general, is something that I'm a fan of outside
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 12: of an emergency context.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: It hasn't proven its worth yet is what you're saying.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to jump in, Kevin.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 12: For young men from this vaccine for myocarditis, those risks
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 12: were real. And anybody who tries to conflate that with
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 12: the risk of myocarditis for these otherwise healthy young men,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 12: I take strong issue with that.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: This is the vaccine that.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 12: MRNA for cancer treatment, good. MRNA for immunotherapy, good. MRNA
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 12: for vaccines outside of an emergency, I really take issue with.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Okay. I'm going to have Dr. Siegel back and we'll
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: go deeper on that because I think that there's great
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: understanding and hearing both sides of something. And I appreciate
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: that strong pushback because we have not had that in
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: that way. But let me just quickly add, the bigger
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: issue over all of it was the mandate. To force
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: people to do it was what was wrong. Do you
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: feel like Hochul and Shapiro in the Pennsylvania, New York
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: measles situation are establishing these protocols and safety procedures and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: things that they want to pull in place? Because there's
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: just this itch by power to always grab a little
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: more when people are vulnerable.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, I can certainly expand on it.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 12: But yes, I think when we look at vaccine law, though,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 12: you go back to the early Supreme Court cases. This
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 12: is about using the police power of the state to
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 12: take away the right to your body. Now, think about
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 12: what that means, that your bodily integrity to take away
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 12: the rights to your own body. You can use the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 12: police power of the state to take away your right
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 12: to an education, to take away your right to work,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 12: to take away Your fundamental rights to be free in
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 12: the United States for a disease that outside of older
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 12: people who had multiple other medical conditions.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Was not a serious disease.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 12: That from a practical standpoint, that we exaggerated the risk
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 12: to people who were much younger.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: We exaggerated the risk. We shut down businesses. We shut
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: down lives. There was a huge cost.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: You set our children back a year and a half
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: in school.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Well, a year and a half.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 12: But with consequences that I think our children are still
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 12: facing now.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I agree with you on that.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 12: And so when I look at this, to me, anytime
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 12: you take away the rights of individuals, that you need
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 12: to do this as.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Narrowly as possible and with the best evidence.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 12: And the reality is that long after we had evidence
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 12: that this was lower risk in the general population long
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 12: after we were told, well, a vaccine is here and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 12: then we're going to open the schools. People, I don't
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 12: think that they have earned our trust back on this.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 12: And I think they're using some of the outbreaks now
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 12: as a way to gain some of that power back.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Which brings us full circle back to plague. That's why
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: we need to make sure that, you know, all information
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: being put forward is reliable because we're not The population
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: of this country is not willing to go through what
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: we went through in COVID again, which is not going
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: to do it. There's going to be massive rebellion if
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: the government tries. And I don't care who's in office.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: You come at them with the you have to do
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: this or else, and that's going to be the end
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: of their day.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 12: I think a bunch of people say, fine, just arrest me.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 12: I think at this point, the idea that people are
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 12: just going to fall in line, I think they shot
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 12: their shot.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: They overplayed their hand.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: And did so deceptively and dishonestly.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: I agreed. And will Dr.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 12: Fauci or anybody ever actually really be accountable? You know,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 12: I don't think so. If we want to re-earn trust
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 12: in public health, we have to start first by saying
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 12: we're sorry, acknowledging what we did and why.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: We're going to do better going forward.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 12: I would love to see some people in public health
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 12: actually do that.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: I see Dr.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 12: Paul actually fighting the good fight on this, but we
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 12: need people to do better.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Well, we are grateful that you're there, Dr. Johannon, so
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: thank you for being a strong voice for clarity, and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Kevin.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Happy to be here. Kevin McCullough coming right back. It's
• 1:16:35
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• 1:16:37
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• 1:16:52
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• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. Final few minutes of the broadcast today. Friends,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: the videotape keeps giving me more and more things. We're
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: going to have to play another round of Kevin Plays
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: stuff from Twitter because it wasn't just Rachel Scott on
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: ABC News who is making the claim that Donald Trump
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: said that he wanted Iran to take out San Diego,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: or Los Angeles. Evidently, the girls on The View were
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: a little confused about it, too. Take a listen.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 16: You know who held a midterm rally in Nebraska last
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 16: night where he tried to defend his deeply unpopular war
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 16: in Iran that's sending gas prices soaring, and he claimed.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: This is Whoopi Goldberg, in case you're confused.
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  Speaker 6: Will have to be made.
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  Speaker 1: By that male-like intensity.
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  Speaker 4: Take a look.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to see a tremendous victory. You want
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  Speaker 5: to see a tremendous victory because it verifies all the
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: things we did.
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  Speaker 6: And again, remember... With the war, it's just artificial. It's
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  Speaker 6: a little bit high.
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  Speaker 5: It's a small price to pay for keeping the world safe.
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  Speaker 1: OK, he's saying and we're going to do what they
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: don't do. We're going to break down the tape. He
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: is saying in this soundbite, the the price of what
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  Speaker 1: we're paying right now is a small price to pay
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  Speaker 1: to keep Iran from getting a weapon.
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  Speaker 5: Our country says they can take out a city. Let
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: them take let it let them take out Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 5: Let them take out San Diego.
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  Speaker 4: This is a very small price to pay.
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  Speaker 6: And it's going to be over very soon.
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  Speaker 1: Now, listen to these girls go.
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  Speaker 16: How this has not enraged.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: People in government.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, this is supposed to be the President of
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  Speaker 16: the United States.
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  Speaker 4: And they say, oh no, he's.
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  Speaker 1: Is she drunk? Is she slurring her words? It sounds
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: like to me Whoopi is a little.
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  Speaker 16: He doesn't sound like he's kidding. Cavalili says, take out
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  Speaker 16: San Diego.
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  Speaker 17: Take out L.A., Which is what they could do if
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 17: they had a weapon. If Iran has a nuclear weapon,
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  Speaker 17: they would be able to take out San Diego or
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 17: Los Angeles. For you, Whoopi Goldberg, who just said.
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  Speaker 14: Well, it's deeply unpopular war that's in Iran and he's
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 14: driving up gas prices.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, Mr.
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  Speaker 6: Whoopi.
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  Speaker 1: The issue here is that he's trying to keep them
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  Speaker 1: from having the nuclear weapon. and end the war so
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: that they don't take out a city, which they would
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: have the capacity to, to take out a Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: or a San Diego, if in fact they had the
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: nuclear weapon. Now, so which is it? Do you want
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: him to end the unpopular war?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 14: It's very unpopular war.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, I know. You already said that, Whoopi. You don't
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: have to repeat it. Or do you want him to
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: prevent them from getting the nuclear weapon so that cities
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: like San Diego and Los Angeles can't be taken out?
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  Speaker 16: Governor Newsom called his comments deranged and dangerous.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 14: Yeah, Governor Newsom. We all know about Governor Newsom. Governor
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 14: Newsom is crazy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 1: Newsom, Bass, the mayor of San Diego, who's... I don't
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: even know who he is. These three politicians, they all said...
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: How dare he? How dare he say that we were
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: that we were collateral damage? No, he's saying that you're
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: not going to be collateral damage. And for Rachel Scott
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: at ABC News and for Whoopi Goldberg on The View,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: this is an ABC thing. ABC's got a problem. What
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: do you want to bet that tonight Kimmel says something?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Just lay some money on it. I'm going to lay
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: money on Kimmel tonight saying something along the lines of, oh,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Trump wants to take out San Diego or Los Angeles.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: I bet.
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  Speaker 6: I bet.
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  Speaker 4: But why isn't this why?
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  Speaker 16: Why isn't anybody on fire about the fact that the
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 16: man is talking about taking out states in his own?
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  Speaker 1: Because, Mr. Whoopi, that's not what he said.
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  Speaker 13: Why isn't anybody worried about it? Why are they saying
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 13: nothing about it? Because that's not what he said. Maybe
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 13: people would be worried about it if a president had
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 13: actually said that. But he didn't say that.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: That's OK. Kevin will play more stuff from X in
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: the future. Kevin McCullough saying thank you for spending part
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: of your time with us today. Really grateful and very
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: grateful for what you did in giving those Bibles to
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: those people that need them. We'll see you next time.