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REWIND: Super Bowl XLIII · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Pittsburgh Sports Memories.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm your co-host, Steve Wirt, and as usual, I'm joined by Hi everybody, I'm Tim Hannon.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: And on today's episode, we're going to be covering Super Bowl 43.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_02: This actually had one of the wildest Super Bowl endings ever, would you say, Tim?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, pretty much ever.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: I can't think of too many others.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: We'll go that getting that maybe more at the end.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then I would say this is probably one of the most iconic plays in Steeler history.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_02: And um it's only the only the second play that ever gave the City of Pittsburgh a championship where you can say that play gave.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: There's maybe one other play where you can kind of say that, but not as dramatic as these other two.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll get into all that fun stuff.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: But first, the Steelers have made the Super Bowl.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: And uh so what's going on?
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: So just some miscellaneous stuff.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this game was on NBC, right?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it was an NBC game, and it was Al Michaels and John Madden.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: Do you believe in Miracles?
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Or Al Michaels, who is still broadcasting games, I think on Amazon Prime or with Herb Street now.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_02: But this was John Madden's last game as an announcer.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: And John Madden passed away, was it 2022?
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: He he's been in the Hall of Fame before that as a coach.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: But people probably more knew him as an announcer.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, for as much as he probably didn't really like the Steelers because of the whole immaculate reception thing, he really was a good announcer and he was fun to listen to.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: And if you go back and listen to this game, um he's a lot of fun.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: He still has it.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: He's not to a point.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: I think he picked a good time to retire because I don't think he was one of those people where he held on too long and he like he had like a really bad showing at the end.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: So good for John Madden.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there's a lot of Pittsburgh and Arizona.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: So the other team is the Arizona Cardinals, and um, I guess we're kind of going to get into them.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a lot of it's weird, there's a lot of connections between these two franchises, and you wouldn't think so because Pittsburgh, Arizona, not really a lot in common.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you think Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, you know, kind of more regional, but for some reason these two franchises have um have had their shared time together for whatever reason.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, actually, believe it or not, did you know the Arizona Cardinals are the oldest continuous professional football franchise?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: They were actually started in 1898, which is crazy because I think when when did Pitt, the University of Pittsburgh, start playing football?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: That might even be for no, I think Pitt was 20 years, 10 or 15 years before that, as what, Western Pennsylvania University or something weird like that.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: So um, they they were in Chicago at the time, and they were the Morgan Athletic Club.
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  SPEAKER_02: They joined the NFL in 1920 as a charter member.
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  SPEAKER_02: So um, whoever owned the team back then uh was at the Huttmobile dealership with uh George Hallis and all the rest, Curly Lambeau, I guess, or whoever owned the Packers back then.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um Charles Bidwell, he had actually bought the team around 1932, and um that was around the um the same time 1933, the Roonies came in to own the Steelers, and the Steelers joined.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: So the Bidwells and the Roonies kind of came in to the NFL around the same time, almost the same year.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_02: And between 1932 and 1988, the Cardinals had re relocated twice.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um they had gone from Chicago to St.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: Louis, and then in 1988, they finally went to Arizona.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, can you name a famous St.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: Louis Cardinal?
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't know, Dan Dierdorf, uh Roy Green?
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  SPEAKER_02: Who was their quarterback?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Neil Lomax.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there you go.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: But they didn't do I guess.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: I they didn't really win anything in St.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Louis.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: So Eric Metcalf's dad, uh Terry, Terry Metcalf.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: He was pretty good.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that's about all I know.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: They never they were they were always a like afterthought franchise.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so Charles Bidwell ran the team until he died in 47.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: His widow, Violet Bidwell, inherited the team, and she ran the team, actually ran the team until 1962.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, she's the first female owner in NFL history before Georgia Fontaine, who owned the Rams after Carl Rosenblum died.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think she was another.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, say that for people always criticize the NFL for not being diverse.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: They've they've had their share of female owners.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um her second husband moved the team to St.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: Louis, so that was his bright idea.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: And that was in 1960.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but Bidwell and his brother Charles, um, they both had owned the team.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: Charles sold out.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um now, Michael, who is one of the sons of Bill and his widow, they he runs the team now, Michael Bidwell.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_02: And he's a third generation owner.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: So once again, kind of like the Roonies, how like it's third generation.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: This the Cardinals, another franchise in the NFL that's third generation.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I would say there's only three like that in the NFL, Tim.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: Giants, Steelers, Cardinals.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, with the Maras and the Rooneys and the Bidwells.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: 49ers are the 49ers, would you I mean, Jed Jedke is his nephew.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess yeah, I don't know.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, the the close.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's as close as anybody else.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the owner of the Bears is is Virginia Hallis, but she's still alive and she's 100 years old.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: She's George Ellis' daughter.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm they're very close to a third generation, but I I thought she was gonna sell the team.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: So they are the houses are gonna keep the Bears.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Don't quote me on that, please.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea what the the uh political things are with the city.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they're moving they're moving the team out of Soldier Stadium, and that's a big brew ha-ha.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm sure Mayor uh Lori Lightfoot's right on top of that.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, enough Chicago Bears talk.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk for the other team that was in Chicago for a while.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the Cardinals on the field, um, so actually the Bidwells have owned the team for over a hundred years, much almost a hundred years now, since since 1920.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: So um on the field, the Cardinals have had not much success.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: They're actually awarded a championship in 1925 because the Pottsville Maroons uh they they cheated by playing a game against Notre Dame.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, Notre Dame, the fighting Irish of Notre Dame in Philadelphia, which was another team's territory.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: This is back in like the good old days of like barnstorming and stuff, and it's a whole story.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's definitely weird.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, their Cardinals, to the credit of the time, never claimed that as a title until Charles Bidwell bought the team, and he was like, hey, I'm gonna claim that as a title.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe they won a title in 1933, maybe they didn't.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: But in 1947, they won a for real title and they played in Kamiski Park and they beat the Philadelphia Eagles.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: And they were actually in the uh they went, they tried to go back to back and they lost to the famous uh 1948 snow game in Philadelphia.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if Tim, if you know that in NFL, that's where they played in like a foot of snow.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: And the guy who's like the MVP of that championship game literally rode like the trolley to the championship game.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's like he like his wife didn't, he was like, I told us, like, all right, I'm gonna go uh play some football, I'll be back.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: So so Steve, I might be stealing your thunder here, so I apologize.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: But that 1947 championship game is another interesting connection.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna talk more about the connections.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: The Steelers actually tied the Eagles that year for on the top of their division, and they had to play a playoff game.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't have playoff games back then.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: You you won your division and you played in the championship game.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: But because the Eagles and Steelers tied, they actually had to play a playoff game against the Eagles.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: So if the Steelers would have won that that one-game playoff, they would have faced the Cardinals in that 1947 championship game.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: I forgot it.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that was the only Steelers playoff game until 1972, wasn't it?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: I totally forgot about that.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: But oh, good good point by you.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: So another weird connection, Pittsburgh, Arizona.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, um the Cardinals really didn't do much until 2008.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think they had uh, what's his name?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: Buddy Ryan as a coach for a while, and they had a couple Dave McGuinness and Jake Plummer was recorded.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like they really did nothing.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: Josh McNown in that infamous play.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: So in 2008, they had a breakout season and playoff run.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: They beat the Falcons, the number and the number, uh, I think in the wildcard, and then they beat the number one seeded Panthers on the road in the blowout, and the six-seeded Eagles, who had uh beat the Giants, they beat them at home to secure the NFC championship and a spot in the Super Bowls in the Super Bowl.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so like we said, both the same ownership for three generations, both stunk from like 1947 on.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_02: And they even had a team together in 1944, the card pit team.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: That was due to World War II manpower shortage.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_02: So that's another pretty cool.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like everybody remembers the Steagles, but nobody ever wants to remember the car pits because they're pretty bad.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: They called them the car pits because they were so bad.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: But um so as far as the Steelers, um, they're going into their seventh Super Bowl appearance, and at this point they have won five Super Bowls, and they are tied with Dallas and San Francisco for the smoke Super Bowls in NFL history at this time.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I know that isn't currently the case, but at this time, this is what was going on.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: So my big you know, caveat there, I guess.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, caveat.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't know I knew that word, did you, huh?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so more fun backstories, Pittsburgh, Arizona connection.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, one would be the hiring, the head coach hiring craziness in 2007.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: So let's even go further, not further back, because we went all the way back to 1898, not quite as far back as that, at least this century, um, 2007.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Ken Wisenhunt, he was in, I remember after the Super Bowl 40, he was rumored for the Raiders job, but he decided to stay on in Pittsburgh.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: He had a feeling that uh Bill Cower was going to leave and not come back after one season, which is exactly what happened.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: So he was in the works for um the head coaching job.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Makes sense.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: Offensive coordinator, they've been pretty successful.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: He knows you know, uh Ben Rothesberger.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: So, but instead of waiting to find out if he had the Steelers job, he took the head coaching job with the Cardinals.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: I guess maybe the Cardinals had offered him first.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Did he just get a vibe or did he figure, hey, I already got this job, and if I turn it down and wait for the Steelers job, maybe I don't get it.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: So just the burden of hand is worth through the bush kind of thing, you know, just take what you got.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: So um also um Russ Grimm, who was the uh assistant head coach and offensive line coach, he's a pitolum.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: Grimm actually thought he had the job, and he was actually reported by the Tribune Review as being hired.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: That that was a whole weird thing with Russ Grimm.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was Mike Persuda, um, was the one that reported that.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: And he really was that who?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, and he really stood by that story.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he said that was the information I got from someone very much on the inside of the Steelers.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: He, you know, there's Steve and I were talking off camera before the this episode about some of the local Pittsburgh media personalities, and and there's certainly some that are just out for clicks and out for you know just throw things into the atmosphere to get people to Mike Persuda, yeah.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: But Mike Persuda was never one of those guys.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's a solid reporter.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: So if he said that that was true, then there had to be some truth to it.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it yeah, the whole thing was weird.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then they went with the direction that none of us expected.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe you know, sometimes somebody else in the organization thinks somebody has the job and the decision on another level hasn't been completely made.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know right.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you know they were misinformed.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: So umlin, Grimm, and Chicago Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera were identified January 15th by the Steelers as their three finalists, even though they knew they couldn't hold a second interview with Rivera until this until the week at the earliest.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: Rivera never did get a second interview.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Art Rooney II said Tomlin was the long shot when they began our discussions.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: So Mike Tomlin was a defensive coordinator at Minnesota, and they interviewed him due to something called the Rooney rule, which means you have to you don't have to hire, but you have to at least interview when you have a full-time coaching vacancy, one minority candidate.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: So um they actually interviewed two between Ron Rivera and Mike Tomlin, and um now interim coaching hires, you do not have to do that.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: So leave it to Jim Mersey to find a loophole.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: But um uh director of football operations, Kevin Colbert, wouldn't say why Tomlin was chosen over Grimm.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: And adding to the whose coaching was the Troop's front page headline Sunday that Grimm widely considered in Pittsburgh to be front runner would be announced as Monday as the Steelers coach.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: So um Rooney then said, I think on the agent's part, they tend to think in those kinds of terms.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think we made it clear at the time we spoke.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it was uh Gru Grimm's agent who had said, Oh, we got the job, but Rooney was saying that he didn't.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, It wasn't final, we're gonna speak again.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: And the agent was told not to say anything to anybody.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: And uh but he thought the league, he blames the league, Rooney blamed the league.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think that the league people caused some confusion, which was unfortunate, but that didn't come from us.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: So Rooney the second was blaming the league.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um the Steelers were furious over the reports on SI.com and ESPN that Tomlin had been chosen as their head coach.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: They insist they did not pick their coach until Sunday.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: Rooney blamed league people for those reports.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: Let's put it this way.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think I know where both of the leagues came from, and I think it's unfortunate when people talk about something when you're dealing with these things, then it ain't over till it's over, and people were claiming something was over when it was not.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: So Rooney cloated the famous Yogi Berra.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: So Yeah, that was that was interesting.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to read like a tell-all book about that whole situation.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if it was as dramatic as it sounded, or if it just like they were it was just dramatic because people were putting stuff out there that wasn't finalized, and then it sort of became dramatic.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it sounds like the yeah, the agent in the league got kind of involved and jumped the gun either way.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll all all I remember was like being shocked because yeah, Wisenhunt left.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: You really thought Wisenhunt was going to be the the prime candidate, and then he's he's gone.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then out and then out of those three guys, I mean Grimm was already there.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he he was the assistant head coach, so that was a natural fit.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Rivera, I mean, remember that was the that was the January that the Bears were in the Super Bowl against Indianapolis, and and it was wasn't because of Rex Grossman, it was because they had this really, really good defense.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so you like you just think about like Steeler coaching, it's always defense first.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: And you see, Rivera seemed like a really good candidate.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Tomlin, it's like, who's that guy?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know who that is, right?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then he ends up being the higher.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I remember that was pretty shocking.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, another weird connection was uh guy named Todd Haley, who you may have heard of.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um his dad, Dick Haley, coached the Steelers in the 70s, and he was the card coordinator of the Cardinals offense.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: He was a good coordinator, and uh Kurt Werner credits him for being like kind of the bad guy in the Arizona Cardinals coaching staff.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess he was he's like he's kind of like I don't know, he's abrasive, and I think he gets things done and he motivates people and he gets a lot out of his players.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: But like a lot of things, it I think sometimes it can wear thin after so many years.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think he was the guy they needed to motivate them.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe Todd Haley is the Cardinals Batman, you know, because he's the hero the Cardinals deserve, but not the one it needs right now.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: So whatever.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: Kurt Warner, um, our favorite grocery store bagger that turned the NFL quarterback.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: I really do like Kurt Warner.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: He it's a great story, he's a good person.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um he had gone from like that to the top, the NFL MVP Super Bowl winning quarterback, then they lost to the Patriots, and then they kind of stumbled around in St.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: Louis for a while, and he got hurt with the Giants.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: He messed up his thumb and he couldn't grip the ball anymore.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: That was his problem.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: So he couldn't really throw the deep pass or really much of any pass.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: So he was thought to be washed up, and then you know, they were having a bad season with the Giants, and he just said, Hey, just start Eli Manning.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: He's not learning anything on the bench, just have him start, and I'll back him up.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: So he actually revived his career.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: He came off the bench and uh replaced Matt Weiner, and um he he wants to he went the gloves, so he was like kind of like he went the gloves before Kenny Pickett did, and that really helped because that ligament in the stomach he couldn't grip the ball, and it helped him grip the ball tight enough to where he could throw the deep passes and everything again.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: So then there was some guy named Larry Fitzgerald.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember him, Tim?
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: He was the greatest wide receiver in the University of Pittsburgh history.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: He got jobbed out of a Heisman by Ron Cook and Bob Smyzik because obviously he didn't play for Penn State.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, at this point, he had an unbelievable playoff run.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: He'd single-handedly been driving the Cardinals offense.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: Him and Kurt Warner just had been absolutely torturing people.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: He was unstoppable.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: You could double cover, triple cover him, it didn't matter.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: Larry was just he had a really good postseason.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the Cardinals were like nine and seven that year.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't have a particularly dominant regular season, but then they like a lot of teams, they got hot at the right time, and then they just rolled through the playoffs like you talked about earlier.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Their defense played decent.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't bad, but it really was on offense, it really was the Larry Fitzgerald show.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: So um the key players, Troy Palomolo, he just had a he had a pick six in the championship game on a previous episode, you know.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um that was a big part of why the Steelers where they are.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um this guy named Santoni Holmes, he made a big catch in the playoffs and a punter term.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: And uh another key guy that you might want to think about is Ike Taylor.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um Ike has the unfortunate uh I don't know, job of trying to cover Larry Fitzgerald.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: Now, Ike's pretty fast and he's pretty tall and he's got great long arms, but the one thing Ike doesn't have is he does not have very good hands.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: And for some reason, when there's a jump ball, that is like when there's just like a normal pass, like it seems he's okay, but when somebody just throws it up for grab, Ike is really bad at getting those.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: And the problem with that is the best player I've ever seen at get catching jump balls would be Tim.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Larry Fitzgerald.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that's a really, really bad matchup.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: So Ike might be able to keep up with him speed-wise, but I mean if the ball's in the air, I I just you know, nothing against Ike.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's just, you know, it's gonna be a bad day.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's get into the game.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: So, um, some key plays of this game.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: So here's Gary Russell.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: He the the Steelers have driven down to like the two, and here's Gary Russell scoring a touchdown.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's one of we covered this in our fun facts episode.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of my favorite trivia questions because Well, well, there's there's three touchdowns the Steelers score in this game, and the other two, like you're gonna talk about, are maybe two of the most famous plays in Steeler history.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: No one ever remembers who scored the other touchdown, and here it is.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Third and goal.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_06: Russell puts his head down.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_06: Does he get into the end zone?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_06: He does.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_06: Touchdown.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I think earlier in the game, Ben had tried to run for one and then it got reviewed.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: They called it a touchdown, then it got reviewed, and it wasn't a touchdown.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: And they had to settle for a field goal.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because remember what we talked about in our last game or in our last episode was that.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like it something and goal was a terrible situation for that team.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, even on the if you watch the video of that, like Gary Russell does not get in convincingly.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Barely it was like one of those ones where it's just like a massive humanity, and it's like, well, maybe he broke the plane, maybe he didn't.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that was that was third and goal.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think they had gotten stuffed on first and second and goal.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it they just they didn't have a good offensive line.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: They had a terrible offensive line.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't have a guy like Bettis.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Gary Russell was their goal line running back, so that tells you a lot right there.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: But they got in that time.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Now Ben throws an interception here.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: We'll go to that.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_06: Second down is four from the 22-yard line.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_06: Ben protected well, but then has it deflected and intercepted at the 33-yard line.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_06: Carlos Dansby with the deflection and the pick.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's what we're talking about.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_05: Carlos Dansby being very good in pass defense.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: So really, do you think that was Ben's fault?
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think that's just kind of one of those things it happens.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: I never blamed Ben for that one.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't a bad pass.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: It just kind of like the Cardinals defense made a play.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it got it got tipped way up in the air, and then it and then Dansby was in the right place at the right time.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: It it it was a big deal though, because that that Gary touchdown 10-7 at that point.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: The Gary Russell touchdown was 10-0.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: The Cardinals scored to make it 10-7, and then that was with like two minutes left in the half.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And now they're gonna get the ball at like the Steelers' 25-yard line with a chance to at the very least tie the game.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll go to probably one of the biggest plays in Pittsburgh Steeler history.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And and Steve set this up.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's the situation here?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: So we are first and goal, and this is this is still after the Ben Rothesberger interception, and the Cardinals have there are 18 seconds left in the half, and it is first and goal from what would you say?
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's the three.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: And if the Cardinals score, it's gonna be 14 to 10, and probably going into the half, because even if they score, it's either gonna be like very little time.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think you know the Steelers are gonna have time to even kick a field goal at that point.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: So this is a very critical drive.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: You're just thinking, okay, just hold them a field goal, it'll be 10-10 going in the half.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: Tide, we'll play the second half and we'll see how it goes, right?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: So Kurt Warner's back, and um, he's looking to throw a pass in the end zone.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: Let's let's see what happens next.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's Tony Romo.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see what happens next.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_06: They can pick down here from the gun.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_06: Steelers show glitch.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_06: Here they come.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_06: He gets it away and it's picked off at the goal line.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_06: There's a flag thrown on the run back, James Harrison to run it back, and Harrison is past midfield.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_06: Harrison going down the sideline.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_06: Harrison's still on his feet.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_06: Harrison is going to go all the way and waiting for the official to get there.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_06: Touchdown is signal.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_06: A flag is down on the run back at the nine yard line.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Far to the pass.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Personal foul.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: Offense number 74.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: The foul third winning last time down.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: The touchdown counts.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: So if you didn't gather what happened from the audio, this is one of the more unbelievable plays in Super Bowl history in general, Tim.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's a uh would you say that's a 14-point swing?
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: I I would say it is.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, so he was trying to throw the bold in there, it looked like, right?
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: 81, like like Madden called it before.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think they were trying to run a little pick play, which that works in man more than and like I think in the interviews after the game, Harrison just said he just kind of freelanced.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like he really was supposed to rush the quarterback, but for some reason he thought to drop back, and when he dropped back, Kurt Werner didn't see him, and Kurt Werner literally throws him the ball, and then a lot of like craziness happens on the way on uh on the next hundred yards.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like, number one, uh Shea Townsend is like, hey, give me the ball, give me the ball, and Harrison's like, no, I'm not giving the ball.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: So that's funny.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then so then Townsend like blocks Kurt Warner.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Lamar Woodley almost clips somebody, blocks somebody in the back.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh might have blocked them in the back, but they didn't call it.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then Larry Fitzgerald totally breaks the rules, but good on him, runs the whole way on the sideline and might have caught Harrison.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't he runs on in the people on the Arizona Cardinals bench?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: If they wouldn't have been in the way, he might have caught Harrison earlier.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: And he catches Harrison at like the two or one yard line and they both fall into the end zone.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I I think if somebody would have been in the way, like I've heard that too.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, if somebody would have been in the way on the Arizona Cardinals sideline, he might have caught him.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I can't I don't know who the player was, but it it was because Fitzgerald, it's not like he went like behind the bench to run him down.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: He just paint.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: And and you're not supposed if you're on the sidelines, you're not supposed to stand on the white paint.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: But one of the Cardinals guys was standing on the white paint.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: And if you go watch one of the NFL films replays, you see Fitzgerald run into the Cardinal guy that was standing on the white paint.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and he cat he did catch him and almost tackle him.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: They had to review it.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because he did tackle him, but it was like into the end zone.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: So all you had to do is catch him two yards earlier, and that's that's a 98-yard or 99-yard return that results in nothing.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's his time had expired, too.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: So that would have been a seven-point swing, but not a 14-point swing.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: So that's probably one of the greatest interceptions in NFL history.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's one of the most bigger game-changing plays.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: And to his credit, Ken, I remember Ken Wizenhunt went in and was like quite calm about it.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like he was like, Well, you know, it was a big play, but we still got the second half.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: He said something to that extent, we're gonna, you know, go in and you know make some plays in the second half.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought, buddy, you just I remember when he gave that interview, he said, What are you talking about?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: You just lost the Super Bowl.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: I thought at that point we'd won the Super Bowl, Tim.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't you?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: I thought there's no way we're losing this now.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's like any other Super Bowl I've ever watched, that's the nail in the coffee.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's the NFL films highlight of like Willie Brown running down, you know, the close-up.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: That that's the NFL films music.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's you know, John Facenda, you know, and then the Pittsburgh Steelers, you know.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's it, right?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I I totally agree.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: I thought the same thing.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that's interesting, Steve, that you brought up like past Super Bowls, because you're right, there's so many moments.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: The uh the the Super Bowl where the Raiders beat the Redskins, they got a pick six right before halftime.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: The Raiders did.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: And the and the Redskins never came back from that.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: The final was like 38 to 3 or something.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: That was the that was that that play that Joe Theisman still count complains about.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Jack Squirek.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was like like they called a screen pass on their own, like two-yard line or something.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was a terrible, it was a terrible call.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: But but but that that was this was even worse than that because they were in in their own end and they you know threw a dumb interception.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Here, the Cardinals were about to take the lead.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: They're about to take the lead, and now the Steelers have a double-digit lead as a result.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you don't come back from that.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I thought.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you can't come back from that.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: And and and then they have like.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: But you wouldn't think you come back from 28 to 3, you know.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but but but then they have the extended halftime where they have like the halftime trip.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like that super long halftime, and all you're doing that whole time is you're stuck with that memory of the very last play that happened was this devastating hundred-yard interception return.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: So you're right, I thought that's it, we won, game over.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: And probably if you had a guy that wasn't if you didn't have the people on this team, on that Cardinals team that they had, I mean, you have Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Todd Haley, Ken Wisenhunt, Russ Grimm, you know, you have some people that you know are kind of high character people, and that's probably a big reason why they it's like the more I think about this, the more I feel bad for the Cardinals.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: I I I I it's just like one of the Super Bowls, like you you almost feel bad somebody had to lose it.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I totally agree.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: They they deserved to win the game, they deserved to be there, they deserved a lot of things because that you're right.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: So many other teams would have just been done at that point.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it goes to speak to their character.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: They were a worthy NFC championship champion, and it's a it's a shame they didn't win it, but I'm not that upsetting.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wish they wish-a lot of those guys who I like.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I it's a different thing.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: I wish they would have been playing against somebody else.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: The Patriots.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: I wish they would have done that to the Patriots.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I digress.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um so um, let's go.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so what happens?
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there we go.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh a little later, Kurt Werner finally throws his fade pass to uh the rookie out of Richmond is the running back.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_06: And it's gonna be a fade for Fitzgerald who's gonna go up and make the catch with a touchdown.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: Ike Taylor didn't have a chance against Larry Fitzgerald.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: It was first and goal from the Steelers won.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, come on.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: How many times did I sit in my end zone seats at Pitt and watch him do that with Rod Rutherford against you know, good corner?
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Ike Taylor, no offense.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: He's a good corner, he's a good player, but he wasn't gonna stop Larry Fitzgerald on the fade, who's outside of outside of Chris Carter.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, who else was better at that?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're you're absolutely right.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I let's let's back up just a little bit though, because I do want to I do want to bring up something that happened before that.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: So that was with seven minutes left in the game.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and the Cardinals were lose losing 20 to 7.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: So like we we talked about high character and they didn't give up, but but the entire third quarter and half of the fourth quarter, they didn't score any points.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: And and the Steelers really had a chance in between that time to really put the game away because they got inside the 10-yard line, but then they couldn't score because, like we said, they stunk inside the 10-yard line, so they had to kick a field goal.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: But on the field goal, do you remember what happened on the field goal, Steve?
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: What happened on the field goal?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: So that we made the field goal, but one of the Cardinals smashed Mitch Berger, who was our holder and our punter, like in the face, and they call it a personal foul.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: Is that when we took the points off the board?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: We took the points off the board, we get half the distance, so now we've got first and goal from like the three, and we ran three plays and couldn't get in the end zone and had to kick the field goal again.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so that made the score 20 to 7 when it could have been 24 to 7.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I just it was unbelievable that because I I just felt like that was that was really, you know, yeah, the Cardinals weren't giving up and all that stuff, but boy that could have been the that really could have been the death nail.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: And and stop them stopping us six plays inside the 10, six plays, uh, and only holding us to a field, I felt like gave them momentum back, and that's when Fitzgerald got that touchdown on the next drive.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I think too, like, that was kind of the Steelers' MO that year, is like they couldn't put anybody away because they couldn't run the ball.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so every they had a really good defense and a pretty good passing game and a really good quarterback, but when they just needed to run the ball and pick up some first downs and put the game away, they could never do it.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because they had a terrible offensive line.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was their one that was the team's one Achilles Hill, and you'll get to it later.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: That almost literally caves in the whole season.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: So now we're gonna skip ahead a little bit to the next crappy performance by the offensive line.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, to set this up, we're at the fourth quarter.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: There's three minutes and four seconds left.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: The Steelers are third and ten at their own, I don't know, get out your ruler here, folks.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: Six-inch line.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's barely not in the end zone.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, if basically with three minutes and four seconds left, if the Steelers get a first down here, the game's over.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's Super Bowl, game over.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's 20 to 14.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: The card, you know, okay, you could say, oh, Larry Fitzhiro got his one kind of garbage time touchdown.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, who cares, right, Tim?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that that's kind of and that's the way most NFL games end, right?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's like uh 2014, somebody scored a meaningless touchdown.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's like when Stahlbach threw that like last-minute touchdown and getting two rolls against the Steelers.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a big who cares.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: The game was over.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, three minutes.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: They maybe the Cardinals get the ball back.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: They had they at that point they would have had to have scorned a touchdown.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it it would have been even if they would have got the ball back, it would have been a very slim chance of them doing anything.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: So you're right, a first down here is huge.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: If they don't get the first down, they have to punt from their own end zone.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's the worst case scenario, right?
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you would think.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: You would think.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: So here, let's listen to what happens next, Dave.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_06: Ben they could take the safety here out of the gun.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_06: Rothesberger is gonna throw over the middle, and the pass is going to be caught by Holmes at the 21 yard line.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_06: Santonio Holmes gets inside Rogers Tromarty and a flag is down.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Holding offense number 62.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's a safety.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: The foul occurred in the end zone.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: Safety safety.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_06: So it's kind of home.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_06: Navy securing party trophy.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_06: You've got a safety, you've got a 20 to 16 game, and you have a kick coming from the 20-yard line.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_06: Look at this.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: That was a heck of a catch by Holmes, too.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: That pass was behind him.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: He like had to reach behind.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: That was a very, a very clutch play by Santonio Holmes.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: Boy, that guy seems to be clutched today, Tim.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was that was that was great announcing there by Michaels and Madden, too.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're really good.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Really good.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like Mad like Madden knew before it was even called that like, oh, that's a safety, and Michael's kind of setting up like instead of a Lombardi trophy, now it's a four-point game, and you have to you have to kick off to them from the 20-yard line.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: That was that was just well, I don't know, uh described, I thought.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so um, so whatever, right?
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta kick off.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's you still got a four-point lead, right, Tim?
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, but boy, that was the it it would have been different, Steve, if like Ben would have got sacked in the end zone.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was even more deflating because Holmes made that catch, and because they would have had a first down.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like if if it's if it's he gets sacked, then it's like you didn't see what could have happened.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: But here it's like literally they converted it.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: They did it.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think that takes him to the two-minute warning, too.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't see if the Cardinals had any timeouts.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't if I don't think they did, because again, you heard Michael say like that would have basically secured the Lombardi trophy or gotten very, very close to it.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: And instead, so that I think him making the catch, like them actually making the play and then finding out, like, oh, hang on, there's a flag, that was extra deflating.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: So um, I guess uh are you ready for some pain, Tim?
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Even more pain.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: As bad as that was, what happens next after the Cardinals get the ball back?
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: The Steelers are gonna pull it out.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: They got the number one defense of probably one of the top defenses to ever play in the NFL.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: They still got a four-point lead.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: So they can't all be bad, right, Tim.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: So now that was with there were still three minutes left.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: So now there's two minutes and forty-eight seconds left.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it's second and ten.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: Arizona is at their own 35.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: So this is probably one play after the kickoff, right?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, probably.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: So let's see, uh, let's see what happens here.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_05: Now they got those safeties deep again.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_06: Second and 10.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_06: Warner has Fitzgerald into Steel of Territory.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_06: 30, 20, 10, Arizona has the lead.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: I thought of Larry Fitzgerald Sr., by the way.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: It was Larry, Larry's father who was a reporter.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: He wasn't even cheering.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: He was abiding strictly by you know the press watch, you know, the I I the better man than I.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: But um yeah, uh the the Cardinals, but Fitzgerald just flat out burns uh Ike Taylor.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: They they've gone to Larry Land and it's not been a pleasant experience.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: James Harrison couldn't run him down, which you know probably is understandable.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Larry Fitzgerald is really good.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: This just didn't him.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um I wonder if Bob Smyzick is gonna change his Heisman vote.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: That was that was so so devastating.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: So you talked about like the play that like should have won the Super Bowl, you know, talking about like the interception.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about how like that's that's your NFL film's play.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, it's like down four with two minutes and thirty seconds left, completing the largest comeback in Super Bowl history.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: Larry's the MVP for sure, not even close.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: Kirk gets his second one, yeah, you know, yeah.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and and then it was so it was so painful because it's Larry Fitzgerald.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the guy we loved, it's our favorite player coming back to like beat the Steelers in a Super Bowl in a game we had totally in control.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Our offensive line, you know, we did that episode about the uh the 93 Steelers and the special teams and how they kept blowing it all season and then they finally blew it for real in the playoffs.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: That was our offensive line.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like we had a we had a good team, but our offensive line just blew it and and that's that.
• 41:25
  unknown: Right?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: The Cardinals are gonna win the Super Bowl.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, Ben did have a pretty bad Super Bowl in Super Bowl 40.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: He's not had a horrible Super Bowl this one, but we got two minutes and uh 37 seconds, right?
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, yeah, let's see what happens.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh right, you got a chance.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Got a punchers, chance.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_05: They didn't do it.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_05: And now the Arizona defense, not a great start defense.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_05: Two minutes and thirty seconds.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_05: Are they going to do it?
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_06: From the 22-yard line.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_06: Four-man run.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_06: Rocklessburg revives time, dumps it off underneath, flags down again.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, not a bad start to the drive, right?
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_02: Timmy dumps it off the middle before, gets five yards.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, they always say the first completion of the drive, right?
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's the big one, right?
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_05: 16 accepted.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_05: Probably on the Cardinals, right?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, John Madden.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: Pittsburgh holding offense number 68.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Two yards to the leak.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: And Terry McCaulay's still a jerk.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: Started a riot in Cleveland.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_06: There's been in the regular season since 04 when he came in the league.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_06: 17 game-winning drives in the fourth quarter.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: Fun fact, he would have finished his career with 41 game-winning drives.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know who the only other two people have more?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Brady.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: Montana, who Brady and Peyton Manning.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like Manning only has 44, and I think Brady just without he just had one the other day, is up to 45 or 46.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe maybe this Rothesburger guy has something up his sleeve.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think, Tim?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see what happens.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_06: Which is where we are right now, first and 20.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: From the 12.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know what's better than first and 10?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: First and 20 for me.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_06: Rothesburger avoids the sack.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_06: Dockett chases him.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_06: Throws on the run.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_06: Fought.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_06: He extends the play again.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_06: It's Antonio Holmes, makes the catch 27 yarded line.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: You wonder if the Cardinals would have been better just dropping all 11 guys and make Penn Ben like throw the ball against zone or something.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like he that's literally what happened is they got like our offensive line was so bad it actually benefited Ben.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, because like he loves to run around and just throw a ball.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like they got pressure on him.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: He runs away and finds Antonio Holmes.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: And there's still two minutes and ten seconds left.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_06: I don't believe they're going to be able to get the well, they do, just before the two-minute warning.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_06: And Ben's going to go deep downfield.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_06: And that pass is going to be tipped and incomplete.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_06: And no flag.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_06: Intended for Nate Washington.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_06: Remember that guy?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he he makes a catch here later.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_06: Tampa, Florida, Super Bowl 43, Al Michaels and John Madden with you.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_06: What a game.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_06: 23 to 20.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_06: Twists and turns and just about everything imaginable.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_06: The Harrison play at the end of the first half.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_06: There's your quarterback comparison right now.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: Right now, Ben 17 for 25, 186 yards, no touchdowns and interceptions, and a 73 quarterback rating.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: So Kurt Warner's over 300 yards passing, and that's three touchdowns and interception, which is a pretty good day for a quarterback.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_06: Warner with the numbers one and two marks in Super Bowl history and in a three-point game.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_06: This would rank sixth right now.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: This is just gonna be a shame for Kurt Warner, isn't it?
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: This is just there's just no other way to put it.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_06: He doesn't gain another yard.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_06: No Super Bowl game has ever gone to overtime.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_06: They've been close, but never into 0-2.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_06: It's third and six from the 26.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_06: Card showing blitz.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_06: And here they come.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_06: And Rocklesberger escapes and throws, and the pass is caught.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_06: Holmes reaches up, makes the catch.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_06: Dansby was back there in
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: Another like one of those patented Ben.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: He actually stays in the pocket on this one in like what double triple clutches before he finally goes to Holmes, who makes a nice like leaping catch on that.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_06: And he can keep the clock rolling.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_06: He's doing the most who makes the tackle against Pittsburgh at least.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_06: Trying to get into field goal range for one of the better kickers in the league, and there he is.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_06: And it's become a little bit windy here.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_06: And Night has started completely windy.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_06: 70 seconds to go.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_06: First and 10.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_06: ten.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_06: Rothesberger stepping up.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_06: He's gonna run.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_06: Not far.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_06: He's gonna be taken down at the 46-yard line.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_06: And the tick, they tick, they tick, tick, tick, take, tick.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_06: Pittsburgh Steelers are going to spend a timeout.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_06: They have one left.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: There was no wind in Tampa that night.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what they were just.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: They were just like, I don't understand why they were like harping on this.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's like literally 60 degrees.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's perfect football weather.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: I I I don't know what they're even complaining about at this point.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's interesting because uh, you know, so there's what 62 seconds.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're in Arizona territory.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: They're definitely not in field goal range.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: But that's kind of the goal at this point is to just maybe get 10, 20 more yards.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Jeffrey's reliable.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_02: He's he's good in the clutch.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: He kicks in Hinesfield, like they said, which is impossible to kick in at this time.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: So he he I had no doubt once they got inside the 30, he was gonna hit the field.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: They're at least going to overtime.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_06: Rushing five.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_06: Ben comps, flows, caught, Holmes.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_06: Francisco falls down.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_06: Holmes is gonna take it inside the 10 and he's gonna get to the five-yard line.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's probably one of the like more underrated plays of this game.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that that was like what a catch for 30 yards.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: And the defender did, like he Al Michael said, Frank uh, was that Francisco fell down?
• 47:43
  unknown: Yeah.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: But Ben, that was another Ben like double triple pump play.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: And and he stayed in the pocket, though.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: He didn't run around.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: He wasn't running around.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's staying in the pocket these last couple plays.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're right, though, that that's that that's sort of like one of those forgotten, like all-time great plays because that takes they weren't even in field goal range, and now they're at the they're they're at the five-yard line.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: And and that was that was maybe what Steve, maybe like 10 yards in the air, and then Francisco kind of slot like slips on the turf, and then Holmes runs the rest of the way, and he he like almost scores.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was unbelievable because now you're like, oh my god, now they they could actually win this thing.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_06: With 49 seconds and Rocklesberger trying to get up to the line of scrimmage, but they will take a timeout.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's not a bad timeout to take.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean Ben was running up to the line like he wanted to spike it.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: That would have been a waste of a down.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I'd rather have the down than the timeout.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: As long as even if Ben, as long as Ben doesn't take a even if he takes a sack somewhere, as long as it's on third, as long as it's not on third down.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: There was still enough time.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there was 50 seconds or 49 seconds left.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's enough time.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_05: Watch Ben, he pumps it, and his hands are so big and strong.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_05: He pumps it like he's going outside, holds it, brings it back, and then gets it to San Antonio Holmes.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_06: Holmes has caught eight for 125 yards.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_06: So they can't take a timeout if Santonio doesn't get that ninth catch, Tim.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: I hope so.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_06: That Arizona defense so tough, deep in its own territory, they'll have to be tough again.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_06: Stealers spread it out.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_06: Three men to the right, two to the left.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_06: Four man rush.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_05: Ben coming back the other way, and Holmes can't make that catch.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, he was he was open and the ball went right through his hands.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Madden's right.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: That that hit him in the hands, didn't it?
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't realize that hit him in the hands until just now.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: I knew he missed it, but it was high, but it was catchable.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it would have been it would not have it wasn't like it was an easy catch, but he's a he's an NFL wide receiver, and he was yeah, he could he that should have been a catch.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think Ben can throw it any lower.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: He risks interception, so yeah, he had to put it where he had to put it.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: And he was open too, and he was and he was like had a bunch of space in the end zone on like the the play after this.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_02: So we're still looking for that ninth catch, Tim.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_06: Warren Holmes are both lined up to the left side.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_06: Miller slot left.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_06: Washington outside left.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_06: Rothesberger has time.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_06: Throws to the back of the end zone, and it is caught for a touchdown by Holmes.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_06: Unbelievable.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_06: Incredible.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_06: The official comes in.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_06: Let's just make sure he's in on a play like this.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_06: Obviously, they will take a long look upstairs.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_06: Ben under the end zone.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_06: Does he get both feet down?
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_06: Left definitely did the right tap as well with control.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_06: He has to throw both feet down.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_05: I say yes, I say both feet in, both feet down, and control of the ball.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_05: Amazing.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_05: Three cardinals are there, you got three guys.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, they basically ran the same play as they did the play before to the opposite side of the field.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: Only this time the throws a little lower and Holmes makes the catch.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: And would you believe there's still people in Arizona that don't think he got his feet down?
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_02: I I I always thought from the beginning he had both feet down.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: He had it, he had his feet down.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's the the I think I think the the crowd that believes that is is in the minority.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: They're delusional.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: All right, Terry Vicully said it was a touchdown, so it's a touchdown, too.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_02: In case you were wondering.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_06: So they need 77 yards in 29 seconds.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_06: Golden, Fitzgerald, and Brest of all 3,000 yard receivers lineup on the right side.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_06: Jeremy Irvin lines up to the left.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_06: Warner, line turns over the middle.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_06: Fitzgerald makes the catch.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Fitzgerald with another catch.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: He's unstoppable at this point.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_06: Gerald gets the ball out of the 44-yard line, and Arizona is compelled to take a timeout.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_06: You just have to take it here.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_06: You can't try to spike it.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_06: They have one left, 22 seconds.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: So it's first and 10.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: There's 22 seconds left.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: I think Cardinals are still on their own side of the 50, but I mean Kurt Warner's old, but he can still probably make the ball, make it to the end zone from here.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think, Tim?
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: He can probably still make it, and they still have another play if they wanted to.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: They have a timeout, so they could still complete another pass and get it closer.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: And their biggest ace in up their sleeve is they have the greatest jump ball receiver of all time.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's the scary part.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's and you have Ike Taylor guarding him, is the problem.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_02: Is like, I mean, you if I I mean, I'm not Dick LeBeau, but I would have Troy.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_02: Anywhere Larry goes, you go, Troy.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: You're falling 11.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_02: Wherever 11 goes, you go, you know, at this point.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's your best defensive secondary player.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_02: You put him on him.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_02: That that would be my philosophy.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: And you really don't want this ball fluttering down in the end zone with Larry Fitzgerald getting his hands on it because that's going to be a Super Bowl win for the Cardinals.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: Would you not?
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, yeah.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: Totally agree.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like all they all they really had to do at this point is get another 10 or 15 yards, which probably would have been easy because the Steelers are playing way back.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then he he might even have two chances to throw the in the end zone at that point.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they still have a timeout left.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_02: They can still throw in the middle of the field.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: So let's see what happens.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_06: First down, 22 seconds, one timeout.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_06: They have to go 56 yards.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_06: Warner going underneath.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_06: And it's to the 44-yard line.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_06: And this is Arrington making the connection.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I forgot they ran that play.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_02: They were at the 44 now.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_02: They actually got 10 more yards there, Tim.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's exactly what we just said there, right?
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 10 more yards, and now they use their last timeout, but they have 15 seconds.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're at the Steelers, what?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: 44, 45.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's two shots.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's at least two shots to the end zone.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: At least one.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: At least, well, yeah, but probably two.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: With 15 seconds, you could take two.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_06: Van Rocklisberger with a 256-yard night, one touchdown pass, and it may be enough to win Super Bowl 43.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_05: You know, a lot of things in football it's when you do them.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, there's not some people have numbers and they do this and that.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_05: But did you do it?
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_05: And you had to do it to win the game from the 44.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_06: Ruston to the left, three receivers to the right.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_06: Warner stepping up, buying time under pressure, trying to sling it away.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_06: Was the arm coming forward?
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_06: It's Lamar Widley who's back there, and Lamar Widley creates the fumble and a Pittsburgh recovery with five seconds left.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_06: Brett Keisel recovered it.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they even reviewed this, did they?
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they even did.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's been that's another one that Arizona fans have kind of complained about, but I think his hands going forward without the ball, and that's the empty hand.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that's the correct call.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: And that's a big play.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: Woodley makes a huge play because they that, like we are saying, that ball floating in the end zone with number 11 lurking.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like my chances.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think the odds are actually against you, which is kind of scary because most times the odds are against the offense in that situation.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't know.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen Larry Fasciro catch that too many times.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing what a split second game that football is because one split microsecond later, he gets that ball off.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: I his that's that's why there was you said there was a little bit of controversy because he was throwing the ball when he got hit.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: So he was about to quirk that thing into the end zone.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: So we were we were like a split second away from finding out whether or not Larry could have caught that ball.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the mistake Warner made there was he ran around for a while, and I'm not sure he would have had a chance to throw a second Hail Mary.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: Time might have expired right there.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean they would have had a shot at it if Woodley doesn't make that play.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: So that was very very big.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that's game.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's game.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's the uh fumble.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's called a fumble on the field.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_02: The Steelers take a knee, game over.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, that that's it, man.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so uh the aftermath, which was uh much.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: Let's start with the Arizona aftermath.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Ken Wizon, he never gets back to a Super Bowl.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: He did get them the 10 and 6 record.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he got fired in 2012.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_02: He coached with San Diego for a while.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_02: He head coached the Titans for two years, but he had such bad years.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_02: He he he got fired.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_02: He's now with Penn State actually as an offensive analyst, whatever that is, Tim.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_02: Analyzing the offense, I guess.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, you know, we suck.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we should do better in big games.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um Russ Grimm, he coached with Wiz and Hunt in 2012.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_02: Arizona really was like Pittsburgh South there for a while.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then he went to Tennessee, followed Wizard Hunt, and he's retired.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: I think Wizard uh I think uh Grimm has to be in his late 60s by now, right?
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean he definitely so he's retired.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: He's in the Hall of Fame as a player.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's a pretty good coach, had a pretty good coaching career, won Super Bowl 40 with the Steelers, so coached in another Super Bowl.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I think did he win Super Bowls as a player with Washington?
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: He was part of that offensive line.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that was the funny thing, is that we had that, you know, he was he that's why one of the reasons Washington won Super Bowls back then because they had that great offensive line that he was part of, and then he was coaching on the Stewart, where they had just a terrible offensive line after he left.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Todd Haley.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um he actually becomes coach of the head coach of the Chiefs for a couple seasons, but they never really had a quarterback.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think would they have like Elvis Kerr back or somebody, not Elvis Kerr, they had somebody horrible.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_02: Tyler Calco for a while.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think they had Matt Castle.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think he had to go.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and uh he had Trumal, Jamal Charles, who kept getting hurt, but that was their kind of the running back.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um he got fired because I like I said, I think Todd Haley just has a shelf life.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: He's a good coach, but he just he's so abrasive.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_02: So he comes to the Steelers and he really makes Ben into a first ballot Hall of Famer with that that great offense with Bell and Brown.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um Larry Fitzgerald, um, he has a great career, but he never gets that's his only Super Bowl.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's a shame, like we said, he really deserved uh uh another Super Bowl run.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: And he's only played for the Cardinals.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_02: He to his credit, he never left Arizona, he stuck with them and a great player.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_02: He's a he's a Hall of Famer for sure.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think uh Bob Smysick doesn't have a Hall of Fame vote, so can't keep him out of that, can you, Bobby and Ron Cook?
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_02: So good luck with that.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: Not that we're holding any grudges here or anything.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Kurt Warner, um, and he had a great game.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um he had a great game in 2009.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_02: He threw five touchdowns against the Packers that they won in overtime.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um he made the Hall of Fame.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_02: He probably should have three Super Bowl rings instead of just one.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_02: He just ran into like two like legendary teams and Tom Brady with the Patriots and Ben Rothesberger with the Steelers.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: So uh Kurt Warner just kind of tough luck there, you know.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like you look at him the way he played in the fourth quarter of those games, he really played like a champion in all the like he made plays, like he made that pass to Ricky Troll, he made the pass to Isaac Bruce, and he made a pass to um Larry Fitzgerald.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_02: And those are when all those passes happened with like what less than three minutes to go in the Super Bowl.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: They should have won all three of those games.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, so I I Kurt Warner's in the Hall of Fame deservedly so.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um Dick Lebeau, he leaves his coordinator in 2014.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, I guess it was time to go in a different direction.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um at 77, he told the Urbana, Ohio Daily Citizen that he was not retiring and he was actually resigning.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm resigning in this position, not retiring.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_02: I had a great run in Pittsburgh.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm grateful for all the things that happened to me, and I'm thankful for all the support I had.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_02: Just time to make to make a break.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_02: He goes on to 2017 coaches with Tennessee with Mike Ballarkey.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: Then he retires in 2017.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_02: He's in the Hall of Fame, probably more as a coach than as a player.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_02: Bruce Arians, we really haven't talked about him much, but he was the offensive coordinator.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_02: And despite his success in Pittsburgh, he had his fair share of critics.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_02: He was more of like a gambling guy.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_02: He liked to take risks.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: And he liked, you know, instead of running, they would go for the D pass and uh kept getting bad hit.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_02: So uh, you know.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_02: According to Arians, he got booed at the Super Bowl parade.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_02: And people were yelling at him to get a fullback.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, his kind of saying was no risk it, no biscuit, you know.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: So you know.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_02: He went to he had a stint, uh his kind of his comeback stint was with Indianapolis.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_02: He took over for Chuck Pugano, who actually had leukemia.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_02: And uh that gets him hired in where else?
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_02: Where does Drew Sarians go to get his next head coaching job, Tim?
• 1:02:24
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_02: Where else but the Arizona Cardinals?
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_02: They are in love with the Steelers organization, but he actually has a decent run.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_02: He gets in the playoffs, but his quarterbacks keep getting hurt.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_02: So he actually I think he what uh draw play Drew, didn't he?
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh from the kid from Michigan State got them to the playoffs one year.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, Carson Palmer, too.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: They had Carson Palmer for a while.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he actually got hired with Tampa Bay in 2019, and then he got some guy named Tom Brady, and he won a Super Bowl with him.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_02: Then uh he had that whole falling out with uh uh Antonio Brown.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um and he he retired, kind of went to the front office.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I don't know.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think he had a falling out with Tom Brady, and that's why he's in the front office.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Tom Brady's gotta leave Tampa here or retire.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe he'll just retire.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know after the season.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_02: I know Tim you had a different theory on that.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I yeah, I don't if Tom Brady will play like ten more years and beat the Steelers like ten more times.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um the the the it was interesting what you said about the parade because uh remember when Todd Haley was the offensive coordinator and so many people hated Todd Haley, you know, then then the criticism was, oh, you ran Bruce Arians out of town, and now look what he's doing with the Cardinals, and and he could have been your offensive coordinator, and and and why did the Steelers treat him that way?
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like you guys were booing him at the Super Bowl parade.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing like how everybody hates the coaches until the other coach, until they're gone and replaced with somebody like the like we all wanted, but then we hate that guy so much that we pine for like the guy that we we hated.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever pine for Joe Walton?
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, boy, that Joe Walton could really coach a Bobby Brister code like that might be the one exception.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: But but it's he's having this great career, Robert Morris.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_02: Come on, he's Joe Walton.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, but everybody forgets that they hated Bruce Arians, right?
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, but then it's like when he's doing well with Arizona, it's like, oh, why did we ever get rid of that guy?
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh gosh.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I just people people just have such short memories and they romanticize the past.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: They did that with Cower, too.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: So many people hated Cower because he always lost big playoff games, but now he's a saint every time Tomlin screws up.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I wonder why Cower doesn't want to come back to coaching, Tim.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um so James Harrison, he actually plays until 2017.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_02: He bounced between the Steelers, Bengals, and Patriots.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he never does win another Super Bowl.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and if not for St.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: Antonio Holmes, uh, he's probably Super Bowl MVP of Super Bowl 43.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_02: So um Lamar Woodley, he played on the Super Bowl 45 team and made three tackles.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_02: He plays with the Steelers in 2013.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_02: He goes to the Raiders for one year.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_02: And then of course, where does he end up retiring?
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_02: What team do you think he joins and retires from in 2015, Tim?
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Some team in the desert.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that would be the Arizona.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's like you know, where you go to retire when you're from Pittsburgh.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_02: Is that where we're going, Tim?
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna go to Arizona and become Cardinals fans or something.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_01: There could be worse, there could be worse places to go and worse teams to root for.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_02: The bit I think the new bidwell, this Michael, seems to like actually knows what he's doing.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, except for his deck deck goofball coach he's got right now, but I digress.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_02: We'll save that for the Arizona Cardinals podcast.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_02: What happened to Ben Rothesberger, Tim?
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he got an even bigger head if he didn't need one already, and he started acting like a total jerk.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: Had a bunch of sexual assault charges brought against him.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_02: He actually almost got traded to the Raiders.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_02: In 2010, he got suspended for six games.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that was for all the off-the-field stuff.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_02: He does clean up his act, but the damage had already been done.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I would say these charges pretty much haunt him for the rest of his career.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_02: And uh that pretty much ends like somebody was telling me Tom Brady already has like whenever Tom Brady retires, right?
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: He has like a broadcasting career with yeah, they already gave him a job for like it's it's old.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_02: So like like Ben couldn't have had something like that.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, because of all his silliness and the way he acts, he's never gonna have that.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_02: He gets to do a podcast with his friend in his basement.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, you know, your actions have consequences sometimes, you know.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_02: It is what it is.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta live with your gotta live with your past sometimes.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with doing a podcast with your friend in the basement?
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh I I enjoy it, and it's good for a guy from uh Beachview, but uh, I mean maybe a Super Bowl-winning quarterback might want to shoot their sights a little higher.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: I don't maybe you know, Steven, there is no higher duty than uh podcast in your basement, right?
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing is higher than that.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_02: So take that, Tom Brady, and your Tom Fox.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's guaranteed for life.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he did lose Super Bowl 45 to Aaron Rodgers, who's another guy who'll never get a job in the media.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_02: Can you ever see Aaron Rodgers do anything that isn't a podcast out of his basement?
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe him and Ben can do a podcast out of their basements together.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um professionally, uh Ben really did thrive under Aryans, and the Steelers got rid of him.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that was due to not protecting him.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: They hired Todd Haley, and you know, Ben continues to develop into what he became.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Santonio Holmes um never did release, I realize his full potential.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_02: He's another way got into trouble with some embarrassing pictures of himself on the internet.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_02: He started taking naked pictures, and I'm just gonna say put this out there to all our young listeners out there.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not a woman, and I'm not claiming to be an expert, a relationship expert here, but I think I can safely say that there is no women on earth that ever want to see a naked picture of a dude.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_02: And that's probably not going to like win you much.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, maybe if you've been together for a while, you want to spice things up, but early on in relationship, I'm gonna say no on those naked pictures.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's not like sound relationship advice, Tim.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, that's not that's not a way to whenever somebody you're getting to know and trying to get to like you.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's usually not a good pass forward.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_02: But Santonio I think yeah, I think Santonio got confused.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you like, that's not what they like.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I digress.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he also got in trouble, had to pay a fine.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_02: And some about he was some involved in the assault case, domestic violence.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I my goodness.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, never did really much with the Jets.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he retired in 2014 with the Bears.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't know what else to say about Santonio, except he kind of flushed his career down the drain there.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_02: Seems like there should have been more meat on the bone with him there.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I totally agree.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_01: I it man, that 2008 season was just one of the best seasons anyone's ever had to this day in a Pittsburgh anything uniform, not just Steelers.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and that was his third year in the league.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it just felt like there was so much potential ahead, and then like you said, it he was gone.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's that when they made the Super Bowl again two years later, he was on the Jets.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a shame, but I mean, at the same time, we'll always have the 2008 season in that catch.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like he'll always be a legend in this town just because of that.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, what about Mike Tomlin?
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_02: He has only gone to one Super Bowl since then, and um, he's never the 2011 Tim Tebow game is kind of the end of his playoff success so far.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, at least that since 2016, that other championship game where they got blown out by the Patriots.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_02: They really Tomlin hasn't even had that much success in the playoffs.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_02: So uh we can go into legacy and what-ifs.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_02: The Penn would win a cup later that year, making two iconic plays in Pittsburgh sports history within the span of five to six months.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um so Pittsburgh has the Stanley Cup and the Super Bowl in one year.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we're one of the few towns that could say that.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_02: City of Champions.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think Tampa did that.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Tampa did do that too, couple, yeah, with Tampa Brady Lightning and the Buccaneers.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Once again, Tom Brady.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Boo hiss.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh was that the pinnacle of these teams, the 2004 to 2011?
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, do you think they maybe should have another Super Bowl win in there, Tim?
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh maybe, but I mean it's so hard to win Super Bowls, right?
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I I tried to, you know, after this game, I I tried to like soak that in and say, you know what, you know, Steve, you and I we we weren't around for the 70s, or we were babies in the 70s.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we watched the Steelers for years and years and years and never got anything.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Then they then they go in this great run in 2005, right, where they they're the number 60, they win a Super Bowl.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's Betis' last game, and then they come back three years later with a lot of different people and a different coach and everything, and then they win like the greatest Super Bowl ever on a last second play that we'll all remember for the rest of our lives.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I tried to remind myself at the time, like what if they never win a Super Bowl again the rest of my life?
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, will I be happy?
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I wanted to remember to appreciate that, right?
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, yes, could they have won more?
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think they could have for sure, but man, I I don't want to complain either, if that makes sense.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was really hoping they would have won that third Super Bowl because I think they would have fit in like how the Washington team fits in in the 80s.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're not the 49ers, but they were still a really good team and they won like like three Super Bowls.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_02: So um I uh where does this team fit in with the greatest teams of Super Bowl history?
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think I've done this before.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_02: I ranked the Steelers Super Bowl teams.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Super 13 over Dallas the second time, that's probably the greatest all-around Steeler team.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_02: I put this one, this went second because of the tough schedule.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Super Bowl 10 over Dallas, the first one was third.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_02: Super Bowl nine over Minnesota.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_02: They they had a good defense but no offense.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_02: Zero 40.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_02: Ben played so bad in that game, but they still won.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I put that over Super Bowl 14 because that that's almost like the same kind of game.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like the Steelers pull it out over a Rams team that wasn't too great, but the Steelers were fading.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_02: They had to come behind to win that.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_02: Zero 45 was the last Horace of that Steelers dynasty, and of course the Super Bowl 30 lost.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_02: That that Steelers team was probably the weakest of all the Steelers teams that made the Super Bowl.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so in Pittsburgh sports history, how does it rate?
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_02: Where does it come up against the Mazhoe run, the flurry save?
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, the flurry save happened what three months later?
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_02: The Hornkest goal in the last minute at 2017 that won the in the Immaculate Reception or the Ben Tackle.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like I said, you can only really point when you point to plays that won a championship.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't know if the flurry save is quite because it's not I mean it it preserved the championship, but like I don't know.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like like the Maz who runs in game seven, that was do or die.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_02: This is definitely do or die if they don't.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, maybe they kick the field goal and go to overtime, but who knows?
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't know.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_02: What do you what what do you think, Tim?
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Is it up there with the Maz?
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Is it like kind of competing with the Maz a little higher than that flurry save or the I I think so?
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it competes with the Maz home run because I mean they were losing at the Maz home run, the game was tied.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_02: Tied, yeah.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and here they were losing.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, they're on the seven-yard line, they're probably gonna at least tie it, but there's no guarantee of that.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so they were losing the game with you know 43 seconds left.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_01: I I think that's you know, the Hornquist goal was tied, the flurry goal, the flurry save, we were in the lead, the Immaculate Reception was not a championship game, and the Ben Tackle was not a championship on the line kind of game.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_01: So out of all those things you mentioned, I mean you have to rate it pretty high because of the the situation they were in.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: They were losing a championship game with you know under a minute left when it happened.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the Steelers after this win, they had the most Super Bowl wins by a franchise at that time.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_02: And like I if you don't think that bothered the people that are up in Boston, think again, why do you think Spygate happened, Tim?
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_02: Because you know, they were so desperate to catch up with the Steelers, they would do anything, and they have done anything to win, so there you go.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Take that, Robert Kraft, and then your sixth Super Bowl.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we showed him uh Matt Ryan.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_02: What is wrong with you, Matt Ryan?
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh um once again, we'll save that for the Atlanta Falcons broadcast.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but uh thanks for joining us.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you enjoyed it.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_02: This is one of my favorite games of all time.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: I like Super Bowl 40 a little better just because it's like more like I know it's not the as good a game as this, but that was like, you know, that was the one that put us over the top.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_02: But this is like definitely second, you know, not far.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I wasn't alive for the 1960 World Series game.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, you know, that those Penguins championships were really cool, but this was much more exciting, except for that game against Detroit, that game seven against Detroit.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_02: That was just nerve-wracking.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_02: That was more nerve-wracking than this was exciting.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's a good way to put it.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:16:47
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• 1:16:53
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• 1:16:56
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• 1:17:06
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• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is the 80th.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, 80.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_02: So you have 80 other topics to choose from, or well, 79 other topics to choose from.
• 1:17:18
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