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Bama Bob on the College Bracket, Scott Dochterman talks College Football & Mr. Monday Night presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  I'm Miller Condon, Welcome back Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  Trenton Ken with you for another hour.
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  Bottom of the hour, Scott Dockerman covers college
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  football for the athletic. He was at in Indianapolis for
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  the Big 10 championship game. He was, I believe one of the
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  college football writers riding the Matt Campbell did a nice
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  piece on Iowa State football over the weekend as well.
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  So Scott Dockerman coming up at 1:30 Mr. Monday night with his
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  pick coming up on tonight's Monday Night Football game.
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  Right now, let's get to for buddy Bama.
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  Bob, the College Football Playoff committee has spoken.
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  The 12 teams have been determined like it or not, and I
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  don't, But none the less, no Notre Dame.
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  And then we move on. How are you, Bama?
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  I think they got it right, kid. Yeah, that's kind of I guess
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  down to your part of the of the country, right.
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  Feeling pretty good about the what the committee's work.
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  Well, I, you know, I, I'm kidding a little bit because I
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  think I, I think I said Friday on the show that I didn't think
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  the game would be that I thought the game would be competitive.
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  And if it was, then you couldn't keep Alabama out.
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  Well, it turns out that it wasn't.
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  And of course you, you know, you wind up with, you know, now, you
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  know, they had to play the extra game, the extra data point.
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  Does it matter? How much does it matter?
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  All this kind of thing. I would have been good,
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  honestly, with any of the three in, you know, you could have had
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  Notre Dame in there. You could have had Miami in and
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  you could have left Alabama. You could have dropped Alabama
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  to 10. I mean, when you look at it,
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  Alabama's resume, right, strength of schedule, FT all
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  these metrics that they use, the analytics that they use, they're
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  top ten in all three of them. And any any team, there's no
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  team that can match that. However, we hostile what they
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  looked like against Georgia and that was kind of continuing the
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  trend of struggling offensively down the stretch.
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  Oklahoma, Auburn a little bit against LSU and certainly
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  against Georgia. I think their defense played
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  well because you know, Georgia, you know, blocked punt sets them
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  up inside the red zone. The other pick by Ty Simpson
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  sets them up inside the 40. I think their defense can hang
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  the offense is something's wrong with it broken, whatever you
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  want to call it. Still no running game.
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  So again, I was shocked to see them when they came up at #9
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  that's what really surprised me. I thought they had a good
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  chance. And we can argue the extra data
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  point. How much should it punish him,
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  all this type of thing. But I think the committee and I
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  will buy that there's a little bit of bias in there.
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  Maybe not with the name, but you, let's face it, ESPN and to
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  some extent the SEC is what feeds all of this, right?
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  This whole this whole machine, if you start punishing a team
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  that makes the SEC championship and leave them out of the
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  playoff, I mean, you're there's some be you think you think the
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  Notre Dame maybe as upset today, right?
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  And he is and he's got a right to be.
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  I agree with it. I don't like them pulling out of
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  the bowl game. I understand why they did it.
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  I think as much as anything, it's kind of a middle finger.
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  You know, we're not we're not going to give you the Notre Dame
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  BYU consolation game, you know, for to for you to soak up 50
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  million viewers or whatever it is, you know, however many
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  millions. So we're not going to give you
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  that. But I again, any, any two of the
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  three you could have put in and and I would have, I couldn't
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  have really made it. I could have made a case for the
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  whoever got left out You could have made a case for, but you
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  also could make a case for the 2 that made it in.
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  The thing that really irritates me as much as anything is this
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  whole, well, we had to wait for BYU, you know, just no, you
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  didn't because you knew Tuesday night.
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  I hate it. The BYU was not going to be
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  11th. They were either going to win
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  the game and get moved up there by putting Notre Dame and Miami,
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  who were sitting at home next to each other, or they were going
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  to lose and fall out. So you should have had Miami
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  ranked ahead of Notre Dame Tuesday night.
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  That's the biggest beef I've got because that hole we had to wait
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  to see what happened with BYU is crap because something was going
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  to happen to BYU. Either win it or lose it.
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  They were going to move out of way from in between those two.
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  You should have at least flipped it.
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  I know that print hates the TV show I.
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  Do too now. It's done.
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  It makes no sense. It absolutely makes no sense.
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  And again, you know, there's So I think there's a lot of
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  politics at play here. I think they were tasked with a
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  pretty tough task, I'll say that.
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  The other thing is we've got to do something with these AQ's,
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  right? Yes.
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  James Madison being in this field is an absolute.
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  Yes, joke, but that's the river rules.
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  Here's my beef about it. They change the rules every
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  Tuesday. They change the rules every
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  Tuesday. It's like you've been listening
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  to me for however long this. Stupid.
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  Well, why couldn't you change this damn rule then?
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  And and put Duke in or put somebody else in, as opposed to
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  two, two, group of five. You would rather see Duke in
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  there. I'd rather seen anybody but
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  James Madison. Here's the good news.
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  The NFL is king and the NFL realized how stupid college
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  football's about to be, and they gave us Packers and Bears on
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  that Saturday night. I will not watch college
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  football. Yes, I'm going to cut off my
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  nose to spite my damn face because I love college football.
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  I won't watch a minute of that damn game.
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  I'll be watching Bears. Packers.
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  And it'll be relegated over to TNT.
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  And they did not probably get the games that initially thought
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  that they were going to get in this.
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  Prime time Saturday night we're getting we're getting the Tulane
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  game and the James Madison game. Bama, here's my biggest problem
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  with Alabama getting in is it is the brand.
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  If Mississippi State had this resume, they're not getting in
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  getting blown out in two games like they did losing to a bad
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  Florida State team. Miami doesn't have a loss like
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  that. Notre Dame has doesn't have a
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  loss like that. They lost by a combined 4
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  points. Alabama got blown out by a bad
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  football team, was non competitive in their last game
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  of the year, squeaked by a average at best Auburn team.
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  This is not the team playing well.
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  This is not a team that has a resume.
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  What they did in October is what has elevated them.
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  That is it. You look at the rest of the
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  resume, there's not a whole lot left.
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  A one month of good football does not mean you are a playoff
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  team, Bama. And if it was Mississippi State
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  or Auburn, they would not be getting it.
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  It is the Alabama brand. I understand.
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  And again, no argument there. I don't think it, I really don't
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  think it's the Alabama brand as much as the SEC brand.
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  Now we can argue that and we can debate that and everything else.
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  But yes, they got in during that little that eight week stretch
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  they had where they where they went into Athens and won and
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  then they won I think the next 7 or 8 and they you know, they
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  beat the four ranked teams in a row and all that kind of thing,
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  right? But there's so many things that
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  you just look at this and and you know, what if Texas had beat
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  A&M, well, then Alabama sitting at home, we don't get to see how
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  bad they're playing again and they're in, right?
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  What if Texas had beat Florida? That's the big key that kept
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  Texas out, right? So now Texas maybe sits at home.
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  Well, and then you get this, you get this egg that Alabama laid
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  against Georgia. Well, now who are you going to
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  leave out? You leave out Oklahoma because
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  Texas beat them head to head. Well, then they're raising their
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  hand and go, wait a minute. You know, we want in we want in
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  Tuscaloosa. So it's there's so many little
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  data points. I have a thing.
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  Here's my conspiracy, if I can say it theory, right.
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  What if Virginia had won, had beaten Duke?
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  I don't think Miami's in. I think they were so afraid to
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  leave an ACC team out of this field.
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  I think I think Virginia gets in as that 11 seat and I think
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  Notre Dame is in and Miami is out.
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  Yeah. I mean, that's that's, you know,
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  if you want to really go scorched through conspiracies,
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  that's one. I mean, that's one that I'm
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  throwing out there because I think they were so afraid to
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  leave a powerful team completely out of this tournament.
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  But again, I think something that can be fixed just like we
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  fixed last year, right, We fixed the whole, you know, Boise
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  getting an automatic or a buy right, that was stupid.
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  We can fix somehow some way, some metric, whatever make it
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  up. I don't care.
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  They only have I think it is important that we have a group
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  of five representative. I don't care who it is every
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  year, whether one yes, but that's it.
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  You this whole thing about. Or you could be voted in.
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  There has to be. Yes, absolutely.
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  If you have a resume, yes, fine. If there's 213 to no teams in a
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  year like this, absolutely. Both San Diego State and too
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  late. Yes, absolutely.
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  In some years, not every year, but in some.
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  Years, right? OK, OK, yeah, I'm totally on
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  board with me, too. But this Hall, just because the
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  Sunbelt Conference champion finished higher than Duke.
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  OK, now the fact that James Madison is in here, again, no
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  disrespect to they'll actually disrespect you.
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  They don't belong. OK.
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  I mean, this is just, you know, I understand we want the best
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  12, but if you really look at I'll throw another thing out
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  there that doesn't hold a lot of water.
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  But do we get the best 68 in the NCAA tournament?
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  No, we get we get the MIAC conference tournament champion
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  and the Mac whatever, right? We don't get the best in the NFL
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  because every division winner gets a stupid whole.
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  Playoff game, maybe 7 of the right.
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  Yeah, NFC South this year, you know, that could be an 800, an 8
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  and eight team or whatever 9 and 8, whatever it is and you lose
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  somebody else out. But again, that's why I don't
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  have a problem with one, you know, AQ from, from a, from a
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  group of five, but you can't have two.
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  You just absolutely can't have two in there because that does
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  that does tremendously water down the field.
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  You're going to punish the Big 12 runner up for playing in the
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  conference game, but you're not going to punish the SEC runner
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  up for you just got to get on the same page you.
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  Remember, something has to happen.
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  Yeah. And, you know, and if we go to
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  16, does it help It probably. But you know, then we would be
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  arguing about Texas and Vanderbilt and BYU and, you
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  know, whoever is a little bit further down the list, OK.
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  And that's fine. Wherever you put the cut off,
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  you're going to make an argument.
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  But, and I'm not a proponent to go to 16, I'm really not.
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  I just think, I think at that point you're starting to have
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  everybody. No, I like the vice personally
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  for the. 4 When you play a 12 game regular season and you play
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  a conference championship game and then you're going to have to
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  play potentially four games to win in that, and that's an NFL
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  schedule, that's 17 games, I think that's too much for
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  college kids. Get.
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  Rid of the conference championship games.
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  See, that's the thing. But again, those make a ton of
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  money. Yeah, so will the playoffs.
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  They're not going to do it. They're just not going to do it.
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  Not not in the next 5-6, seven years.
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  They're not the the SEC is not giving up that game.
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  The Big 10 is not giving up that game.
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  The ACC might if you look at what you.
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  Said I did, Charlotte, by the way, I was, I was, I was
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  rooting. I was on the same page as Manny
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  Diaz when he was politicking for Duke to get in.
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  Yeah, I know he's making. You're making a lot of sense.
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  Well, he he stated facts, I'll put it that way.
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  Did it make much sense? No.
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  But it was fact. It was Who was James Madison?
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  He told me a Power Four team that James Madison beat.
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  You can't. No.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  But you know, the problem is being that you lost to Illinois,
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  you lost to UConn, you lost to Georgia Tech, you lost to
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  Virginia. Every good team you played, you
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  got beat, except until you beat Virginia here.
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  So, I mean, but it's he he stated facts.
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  I don't think he had a point because you can't get in with
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  five losses. No, he didn't, and I knew that
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  he was. He was pissing into the wind,
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  but I was hoping that somehow. It was hilarious.
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  If you're, if you're sitting on a jury, you're like, well, you
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  know, maybe. Yeah, yeah.
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  What did you think of the Big 10 Championship game, Bama?
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  Were you surprised? No, I think I picked Indiana.
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  I mean, you know, on our show, on our segment on.
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  Friday, by the way, Speaking of picking, we're going to correct
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  our year's work on February on Friday, rather, because we got
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  Army, Navy and we do have a bowl game on Saturday night.
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  We do. Boise and Washington will
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  collide. It's survived.
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  What's the name of that thing? Is that the LA Bowl?
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  The LA Bowl? Yeah.
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  The LA Bowl, I think, yeah. So they are correct.
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  I mean, you don't talk about bowl games, man.
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  These these little minor bowls are, I mean, you got Appalachian
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  State and Georgia Southern here in the Birmingham Bowl.
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  How many tickets you think that's gonna?
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  Sell dozens. None.
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  Not for me. Look, there's some pretty good
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  ones you eat when you look out there.
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  I like Vanderbilt in Iowa. I mean, that's a good, that's a
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  good game. Illinois, Tennessee is good.
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  I think that's a fun one. Depending on who plays the Pavi
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  plays. It's a good game.
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  If he doesn't, nobody's going to.
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  Watch. Yeah.
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  What are we hearing, Trent? Along those lines, have you
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  heard anything from since the matchup's been announced
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  regarding? I would be absolutely
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  dumbfounded if he doesn't play. Right.
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  He's not going to the NFL. No, he's not.
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  He's not a That's the last chance.
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  Come back and play college. Again.
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  Yeah, it does. Yeah.
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  Go be. I hope he gets chance.
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  Come on to watch. Yeah, if you want to take an
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  anti Notre Dame approach, you're a Clark who said, listen, we're
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  not blaming anybody. We didn't want enough.
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  Yeah, you know, we'd have won one more game.
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  We'd have been in taken care of itself.
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  What I will say about the anti Notre Dame I am so I am I think
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  it's great that the AD what's his name Bivaqua is how you say
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  his name Bivaqua yeah Bivaqua he came out on Dan Patrick show
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  today and ripped the ACC and rightly so.
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  I remember about a month ago, boys, bringing this up with both
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  of you on either a Monday or Friday segment asking you if you
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  you'd seen the tweet from the ACC where they backed Miami at
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  the expense of Notre Dame. And they apparently that just
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  just the beginning, over the last three or four days, the ACC
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  Network on repeat replayed the Miami Notre Dame game.
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  I mean, what are you doing? What are you doing well?
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  He's right to RIP them, right? Because, I mean, if you took
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  Notre Dame, you used to, if Notre Dame just took the ball.
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  And went home as they should. Now I would.
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  As they should, especially in football.
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  Who I mean, that's that is I don't know how many teams are in
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  that stupid conference now. 1717, you know, probably, yeah,
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  probably what, 13 of them. That's their marquee game is to
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  play on the game when they go to Wake Forest or or, you know,
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  Syracuse or, you know, whoever, right?
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  That's their that's their gal. Oh my God, don't get me started.
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  You know, that's that's their marquee game, right?
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  So you pull that out and see how much that, yeah, I, I agree with
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  him on that. I do, I, I, I wouldn't like that
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  if I were their business partner.
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  But, you know, again, during the conference, I mean, there's, you
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  know, there's that argument too, but I don't think that's going
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  to happen either. There's just so much, there's so
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  many, you know, if, if one thing had happened even like, again,
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  go by, if Texas had beaten Florida, this whole, I think
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  Alabama's out at that point. I think you're going to put
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  Texas and OU in, but it didn't happen.
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  And there's just so many pieces you can go back to and you know,
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  the what if the what if the what if that gets everybody in.
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  But you know, if Notre Dame had kicked a field goal against in
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  them or whatever, you know, against Miami and held them on
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  the last drive. And I think I'll tell you
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  another shame is I think I don't know if Jeremiah Love is a, it's
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  got any more eligibility left, but if not, it's a shame that
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  we're not going to see him. Play.
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  He's done, yeah, he'll obviously he's done.
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  Yeah, but I think he would have been done if they would have,
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  you know, gone to whatever. Where where were they going?
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  Was it the Alamo? I don't know where they were
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  going, but whatever ball they were going through, he wasn't
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  going to play unless it was the playoff.
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  Yeah, I agree. And and it's it's a shame
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  because that kid is, I mean, he's, he's, he's as good as I
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  mean, I think he's a little better than Gentie was last
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  year, like Gentie with boys. I think his kids got a little
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  bit more, probably a little bit better in the pros.
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  But you know, look, it happens. You know, these kids, you know,
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  they use up their eligibility and everything else, But I mean,
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  these balls, these balls are in trouble, man, these secondary
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  balls. And that that again, that is
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  ESPN, you know, paying a bunch of money for the exchange.
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  Now, I think the only thing that's going to help, and we
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  talked about this, I think in years past, the thing that's
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  going to help these, you know, maybe stay a little bit relevant
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  in terms of ratings or numbers is going to be the gambling
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  aspect, right? People are going to bet on
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  Georgia Southern and Appalachian State.
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  Okay, I'm right Trent people are going to bet on it so that
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  that'll help but it's just I don't know we knew we were going
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  to be here I'm I'm I am surprised I I will be I will
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  stay I was shocked when I saw Bama come up at 9:00.
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  I can like wow, they didn't even move.
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  Didn't. See Heather Dennich's face?
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  Did you see her reaction? They had a camera on her.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  She's getting ripped for it, too.
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  I don't know why. Yeah. 15 of the last 16
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  conference champion losers has fallen in the rankings.
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  The one that hasn't? Alabama Crimson Tide.
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  Different. Different rules for the Crimson
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  Tide, but that's our reality. BMI want to throw this by you
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  because I, I heard this from somebody that was at the SEC
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  championship game, he said. Everyone was good.
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  It was good, but it's not like it was in the past.
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  No. Big 10 championship game number
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  one verse #2 both teams knew they were getting buys.
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  And I heard more clamoring than I ever had before from SEC
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  people saying, you know what, maybe 16 is not a bad thing.
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  Maybe 24 is not a bad thing. With the conference
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  championships, I know there's money, but there's also money to
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  be had in a playoff bracket. And the amount of negativity we
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  saw from Texas Tech being the four seed, they want to be the
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  five because they wanted to host a game when we get more playoff
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  games on campus. They say that.
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  They absolutely did. People wanted a home playoff
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  game. We saw what it was a year ago
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  and this ability. Now, again, for these top flight
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  teams that are not going to be able to have a home game, bam, I
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  think bracket creep is coming and I think the BLOB and
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  conference championship games are going to go away.
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  And it's going to give hope not just for the Texas and the
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  Vanderbilts and the Notre Dames of the world, but even the next
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  tier, that next tier of team to still have an opportunity,
• 18:19
  something to play for when they get to November for the
• 18:22
  betterment of the sport. I think it needs to happen.
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  That something has to be right. I mean, you look at the three
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  home games or three of the, was it three of the four SEC teams,
• 18:32
  right? Oklahoma's hat.
• 18:33
  Oklahoma's a static right now. They get Alabama coming to
• 18:36
  Norman. I mean, old miss gets Tulane,
• 18:39
  A&M gets Miami or Oregon. You know, they get a home game,
• 18:43
  but it's basically just a tune up.
• 18:44
  But by the way, how about Oregon's path?
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  Did you see that? What are you going to do if
• 18:49
  you're a Duck fan, you got a home game, right?
• 18:51
  Yeah. If you win, you go to the Orange
• 18:53
  Bowl. Yeah, two weeks later you go to
• 18:56
  the Peach Bowl in Atlanta and then if you win that, you're
• 18:58
  playing in Miami. How the hell are you going to do
• 19:00
  that? If you're a Oregon fan, you're
• 19:01
  going to afford 3 cross country trips.
• 19:04
  Forget about the team flying. I mean, that's bad enough.
• 19:07
  So the 20th of December, you're going to be in, you're going to
• 19:11
  be at home. Then you're going to go to the
• 19:12
  Orange Bowl on the on January 1st, 9 days later you're going
• 19:16
  to be in Atlanta and then you're going to be back in Miami.
• 19:20
  Should you get? Should you get to the
• 19:21
  championship game? Yeah, exactly.
• 19:23
  Oh boy, all all three what three time zones ahead, every one of
• 19:27
  them and what 2500 miles, 6 hour flight.
• 19:31
  I don't know what it is from, you know, Portland to to Miami,
• 19:34
  but that's that's got to be a pretty long flight.
• 19:37
  Same with Atlanta and you know, back to Miami again, it they're
• 19:41
  kind of the only ones with that path because Indiana, Indiana or
• 19:45
  the Rose Bowl. And if they win that they go to,
• 19:49
  you know, they go to Atlanta, they have that same path.
• 19:51
  Georgia gets the Sugar Bowl, Ohio State gets the cotton and
• 19:56
  then those two would play in in the in the Fiesta.
• 19:59
  So I mean, I don't know it's and I understand you have to.
• 20:05
  You have to do preset. No, you don't get away with
• 20:10
  them. Do away.
• 20:11
  I can't wait for the NFC Championship game between the
• 20:13
  Rams and the Packers played in flipping Tampa Bay.
• 20:15
  No, knock it off. Play these games on campus, kill
• 20:19
  the Bulls, and if they all go away, so be it.
• 20:22
  So who plays in the cotton? Bowl, I don't care.
• 20:23
  Nobody get rid of them. You can.
• 20:26
  Why, why, why can't we have these games on campus?
• 20:30
  I would be so much better than having to have Oregon fly to the
• 20:33
  other side of the country 3 consecutive ways.
• 20:35
  It's stupid. It's absolutely idiotic.
• 20:37
  Play these games on campus. What about northern schools?
• 20:41
  What about Wisconsin? Great.
• 20:42
  Iowa State, did you enjoy? Watching Buffalo and Cincinnati
• 20:45
  in the snow. Yesterday I loved every minute
• 20:46
  of it. Thank you.
• 20:47
  Yes. Well, this if you were to move
• 20:51
  the Fiesta Bowl up one week and and let Oregon play in that
• 20:55
  should they win, right, that would have made a little more
• 20:58
  sense. But I, I am here, I am OK with
• 21:02
  with the current setup or if you go to 16 or whatever it is the
• 21:05
  play the first two rounds on campus, right?
• 21:07
  You can do the semifinals fine. That's two trips, OK and you
• 21:11
  know, make it then make it the Rose Bowl and or or whatever
• 21:15
  however you want to do it. You'll make the Fiesta, make a
• 21:17
  West Coast game one of them. But I just think it's crazy to
• 21:20
  ask Oregon fans to to travel that.
• 21:23
  And again, what's the team going to do, right?
• 21:25
  If I'm just guessing, it's just a guess, right?
• 21:29
  If they get to Miami, if they get to Miami for the Orange
• 21:32
  Bowl, are they going to fly all the way back home and then back
• 21:35
  to Atlanta? Are they going to try to stay
• 21:37
  out there? Probably stay out.
• 21:38
  There I would stay, yeah. I would too.
• 21:39
  And then what are you going to do if you win that you're going
• 21:41
  to stay out there another 10 days, right?
• 21:43
  Well, these guys are students. They got to go to class, right?
• 21:46
  Yeah, right. Hey, brother, we're out of time,
• 21:48
  buddy. We'll talk on Friday.
• 21:49
  We'll correct our work from the preseason.
• 21:51
  We'll take a look at Army, Navy, which has a chance to be really
• 21:53
  good game, and then Boise State and Washington.
• 21:57
  Washington will be part of it as well.
• 21:59
  Yeah, Good stuff, buddy. We'll talk to you Friday.
• 22:01
  Thanks, Emma. Take care guys, always enjoy it.
• 22:03
  Thanks. Good to talk to you, Bama, Bob,
• 22:05
  Trent and I around college football.
• 22:06
  Scott Docman from The Athletic is next.
• 22:08
  Miller and Condon talking sports with you on Des Moines sports
• 22:12
  Station One O 6.3 KX&O. I'm Hillary Cotton, just passed
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  1:30 on a Monday off the bench, top of the hour.
• 22:28
  Mr. Monday night to come. Before that, however, let's get
• 22:30
  our brother and Scott Docman in here.
• 22:32
  He covers college football for the Athletic.
• 22:35
  He was in Indianapolis for the Big 10 championship game and he
• 22:39
  joins us. What a crazy, crazy last few
• 22:42
  days in college football in our state and throughout the college
• 22:46
  football landscape with the playoff rankings and the 12
• 22:49
  teams that heard their name called this past weekend.
• 22:52
  And Scott joins us. Crazy weekend.
• 22:54
  Scott Dockerman, your thoughts? Where do you want me to begin?
• 22:58
  You want me to begin local or national or they're about?
• 23:01
  Where? Take a swing and we'll follow
• 23:03
  your lead. How about that?
• 23:04
  OK, Well it it is interesting. I mean, whenever you get the
• 23:09
  playoff involved and it doesn't matter if it was the old BCS
• 23:12
  where you had two teams and Auburn gets left out, is it
• 23:15
  undefeated? Or if you're talking about the
• 23:17
  fourteen playoff and TCU and Baylor get left out or are you
• 23:20
  talking about this and Notre Dame gets booted, It's always
• 23:23
  going to be crazy. And it will when it's 16 teams
• 23:26
  and it will when it's 24 and it will on on up.
• 23:29
  So, so I, I would say to start off by just saying that when you
• 23:34
  came down the stretch, the committee had an unenviable task
• 23:39
  because Miami's clearly the best team in the ACC, but it's not
• 23:42
  the champion. So then therefore it had to ruin
• 23:47
  somebody's day and season between Alabama, among Alabama,
• 23:50
  Miami and Notre Dame. And all of them were semi
• 23:54
  existential when you think about it, which is Miami, you're
• 23:58
  leaving out the AC CS best team or ACC in general.
• 24:03
  And not only that, but you did it two years ago out of the 14
• 24:06
  playoffs with the Florida State, then you know, with Notre Dame,
• 24:10
  they, they've proven themselves all year outside of those two
• 24:14
  losses that they are as good as any of the top four or five
• 24:17
  teams in the country. And then Alabama, if you believe
• 24:20
  them out, which I think they are the weakest of the three teams
• 24:23
  on paper, but they already were voted by the committee as being
• 24:28
  #9 going into a conference championship weekend.
• 24:31
  And if you take them, if you allow that loss to boot them
• 24:35
  from 12 team playoff, they're no longer going to play 12 T
• 24:40
  playoffs in the future. So I just think this is or I
• 24:43
  mean, a conference championship games, I'm sorry.
• 24:45
  And and so there was really no way to win.
• 24:48
  And so I think that's why we had the result that we did.
• 24:51
  And then Notre Dame said, well, we're just going to take our
• 24:53
  golden helmets and and go home for the winter.
• 24:56
  Very disappointing, but not a surprise.
• 24:58
  They've done that in the past and they'll do it here.
• 25:00
  Different circumstances missing in the playoff with Notre Dame.
• 25:03
  Does it change anything? Does it push him closer to
• 25:07
  joining a conference or does it push him further away and
• 25:09
  digging in their heels, something that they're very good
• 25:11
  at, digging their heels in even more about maintaining their
• 25:14
  independence. When you look at Notre Dame and
• 25:16
  kind of the future going forward, what do you think it
• 25:18
  says about the Irish? Well, then they are they put
• 25:22
  themselves into this position of special status, special favored
• 25:26
  nation status, if you will. You know, where they, they have
• 25:29
  all the benefits of being independent without any of the,
• 25:32
  the issues of, you know, that conferences and, you know, have,
• 25:37
  you know, I mean, they can do whatever they want.
• 25:38
  And so like they didn't have to pay a $500,000 fine if to, you
• 25:43
  know, back out of a bowl game, they just decided to back out
• 25:46
  and, and, and I think find the ACC.
• 25:49
  You know, how much more is it worth to you to have this
• 25:51
  relationship with them? Certainly in the other sports,
• 25:54
  you know, it can't be that valuable and basketball and
• 25:57
  everything like that. And so when you're talking
• 25:59
  about, you know, football is is important and they've always
• 26:04
  wanted them to be in football, but you're playing them five
• 26:07
  games, they're hurting you. And then this weekend, the troll
• 26:10
  job that the ACC Network did was, was kind of hilarious, you
• 26:15
  know, you know, to, to really put it on.
• 26:17
  So I mean, at some point you just wonder, I mean, are they
• 26:20
  going to, you know, are they, are they going to end up, you
• 26:25
  know, saying, you know, we're just going to sever this, this
• 26:27
  bond this, or are we going to go ahead and and then join another
• 26:32
  con, join the big 10 or somebody like that?
• 26:34
  Or are they going to just say, you know what, we're just going
• 26:36
  to do it independently. But I think that would be kind
• 26:38
  of a, you know, off in themselves a little bit as a as
• 26:41
  a program because if you end up not having any bonds with any
• 26:46
  conferences, your strength, the schedule is going to be really
• 26:48
  bad. Yeah, I mean, I was just blown
• 26:50
  away the ACC willing to go down that path both with their
• 26:53
  network and their social media over the last couple or more
• 26:56
  than a couple of weeks, making very clear which side they were
• 26:58
  on. That was Miami side at the
• 27:00
  expense of Notre Dame. Well, let's move the College
• 27:02
  Football Playoff to the side for a second Doc and and go.
• 27:06
  He wrote a good piece on Iowa State and their fan base and
• 27:08
  what they have to go through and what it's like to be a Cyclone
• 27:10
  fan. I thought I read most of your
• 27:12
  comments or the comments in this after your pieces.
• 27:15
  I normally do. This was very well received, I
• 27:18
  think by most everybody, which is rare, as you very well know.
• 27:22
  So just a whole Matt Campbell to Penn State now where this leaves
• 27:26
  Iowa State going forward, your thoughts and what transpired in
• 27:29
  Ames beginning, you know, on Friday when the announcement
• 27:32
  became official. Yeah, I, I think more than
• 27:36
  anything I felt kind of sad. It wasn't that, that, you know,
• 27:41
  sometimes you get that anger feeling that, you know, he said
• 27:45
  lover type. And I don't feel that way about
• 27:47
  this. This was one that I think
• 27:49
  everybody kind of knew at some point was going to happen,
• 27:51
  whether it was the NFL or is, you know, Ohio State or
• 27:54
  Michigan. He's from in that part of the
• 27:56
  world. And for this one to end up this
• 27:58
  way, it makes sense. But that doesn't make it any
• 28:01
  easier. And I think that at some point,
• 28:04
  I think most of at least the Iowa State fans I've spoken with
• 28:09
  since this all took place, it's just they, you know, it is kind
• 28:12
  of that that, you know, this sucks and this happens, but
• 28:15
  they're not, you know, they don't really hate math for it
• 28:18
  and they shouldn't. And I think at some point
• 28:20
  there's going to it's going to be a relationship.
• 28:22
  I would kind of a lot like Lude Olson with Iowa fans after
• 28:27
  leaving and going to Arizona, there was some burp for a while
• 28:30
  that kind of subsided. And then by the end, you know,
• 28:33
  they could really get past everything and and feel special
• 28:37
  and and they should. I mean, Matt Campbell did it
• 28:39
  was, you know, the best coach they've ever had in any sport.
• 28:42
  I mean, I know wrestling, they won titles and everything, but
• 28:45
  there's really nothing that, you know, comparative that he was
• 28:48
  able to do. And and I think you saw that
• 28:50
  emotion out of Jamie Pollard on Friday night and then even today
• 28:54
  I've been watching Matt's press conference.
• 28:56
  He got emotional several times, especially when he talked about
• 28:59
  Iowa State. So it mattered to him.
• 29:01
  And and so, you know, we're now going forward.
• 29:04
  I think that's a really good hire.
• 29:05
  Jimmy Rogers did a nice job at a very short period of time at
• 29:09
  South Dakota State as a head coach.
• 29:10
  And then this year that was not easy.
• 29:12
  I mean, right now Washington State is in a, you know,
• 29:16
  purgatory of of as a program and to go to Virginia, to go to Wash
• 29:22
  Old Miss and the way they did, I thought that he did, he did a
• 29:26
  nice job of galvanizing everybody out there.
• 29:28
  So I don't think this is going to be, you know, depending on
• 29:31
  what happens with the players, it may be a step, slight step
• 29:35
  down, but I don't think this is just going to be a collapse or
• 29:38
  anything. Speaking of the players, the
• 29:40
  players made the decision not to play in a bowl game.
• 29:43
  Them K State both opted out, were hit by fines by the Big 12.
• 29:47
  What do you read into that, doc? Is it the concern about just the
• 29:51
  number of players that'll be available and what the transfer
• 29:53
  portal likely is going to look like for Iowa State?
• 29:55
  Or is there something deep in there with Iowa State deciding
• 29:58
  not to play in this bowl game? Yeah, from from what I gathered
• 30:02
  and, and yesterday when I was juggling about 15 things and
• 30:05
  this was among them and, and it was just AII that that there are
• 30:11
  there are a lot of players that are in positions that are pretty
• 30:14
  injured. If the coaches were there, I'm
• 30:16
  sure they would play or at least the the other ones would play.
• 30:19
  But I think that there were a lot of her players as well and
• 30:22
  really wanting to determine what's their future status and,
• 30:26
  and, and so that, you know, they all voted against it.
• 30:29
  And when you when they vote against it, then you just
• 30:32
  really, if you push him to play that way, it doesn't do anybody
• 30:35
  any good. And, and I know the fine 500K
• 30:38
  for both Kansas State and Iowa State.
• 30:40
  That's that's fair because you have, you know, contracts with
• 30:45
  these bowls and these bowls are really excited.
• 30:46
  I talked to Scott Lightman on Saturday night, who's the head
• 30:50
  of PR with the the insight bowl or being the rate bowl and out.
• 30:57
  And he was so excited about Minnesota, Iowa State, because
• 31:01
  that's what was going to happen. And he thought that even though
• 31:04
  the Ireland factor and even though, you know, the people
• 31:07
  went there and even though Matt Campbell was leaving, he
• 31:10
  thought, you know, it's still going to be a good turn out.
• 31:12
  We've got a lot of Iowa State fans here.
• 31:14
  I think people are really excited.
• 31:15
  And so I imagine that there was some heartbreak with this one.
• 31:18
  And, and it's unfortunate, it's unfair, but it is kind of a
• 31:21
  product of the system now. Whenever, when people leave,
• 31:24
  it's not like it was before. We're all right over the
• 31:26
  coordinators, the the interim head coach until he leaves.
• 31:30
  You know, now everything's kind of scattered to the wind.
• 31:33
  Last thing for me, Doc, you were in Indianapolis covering the Big
• 31:36
  10 championship. Indiana got the better of of
• 31:38
  Ohio State terrific football game.
• 31:41
  This signeti I I don't know if it can be duplicated if you can
• 31:44
  just take this blueprint and now now that's the way to to do it
• 31:48
  If you want to get that success as quickly as he did.
• 31:51
  I don't believe it can be done. But it was of all places,
• 31:54
  Bloomington IN that basketball factory for so many decades has
• 31:58
  become a football school. What did what were your
• 32:00
  takeaways on the game itself? From what I saw Doc through my
• 32:05
  television set, this was not a fluke.
• 32:08
  It's not a fluke at all. I mean, Indiana is a quality
• 32:12
  football program and they can go toe to toe.
• 32:14
  And that's always the thing you kind of worry about, you know,
• 32:17
  concerned about for a team like Indiana.
• 32:20
  KU for a little while with Mark Mangino was kind of the same way
• 32:23
  as you start to wonder, OK, can they go?
• 32:25
  Can they physically match up along the line of scrimmage both
• 32:28
  sides against a team like Ohio State?
• 32:31
  And they could. They actually dominated that
• 32:33
  game on defense to be able to hold them.
• 32:36
  I think it was 58 yards rushing to get 9 tackles for loss.
• 32:40
  They were really impactful on that end of the on that side of
• 32:45
  the ball and they have been all year.
• 32:46
  This was not a one time thing wasn't special for Ohio State.
• 32:49
  It was it's what they have done and they are really good at it.
• 32:53
  And I think, you know, I, I see them as the two best teams in
• 32:57
  the country. I think maybe Georgia and Texas
• 33:00
  Tech, possibly Oregon might be in that ballpark.
• 33:02
  I thought Notre Dame definitely was in that discussion, but it
• 33:07
  wouldn't shock me at all if they play again.
• 33:09
  I I think that, you know, Ohio State last year galvanized, you
• 33:13
  know, use that loss to Michigan to kind of fuel them and and in
• 33:17
  some ways, maybe they they get their little bit of their
• 33:20
  comeuppance here. And because when I participated
• 33:24
  in a news conference with Ryan Day, a lot of what he had to say
• 33:27
  about this game was, well, we can secure the number one seed
• 33:30
  overall. And it wasn't as much about the
• 33:32
  Big 10 championship. Whereas Indiana, I mean, Indiana
• 33:36
  won the Big 10. I never would have dreamed this
• 33:39
  would have happened. I mean, this is like, it's like
• 33:41
  if KU did it, you know, in the old Big 12.
• 33:44
  It's just something you don't expect.
• 33:47
  Last thing for me, Doc, the TV show, a lot of pushback.
• 33:51
  Finally, now I've been screwed about this thing.
• 33:53
  Yes, the Tuesday TV show on ESPNI saw Stuart Mandel has a
• 33:58
  article up about that and haven't had a chance to crack
• 34:00
  into it. It was just posted a moment ago.
• 34:02
  But there's still what, 6 years left on the contract for the TV
• 34:06
  show that hurts things. What is the future of this and
• 34:09
  what what can be done? Because it paints the committee
• 34:12
  in such a box week after week, year after year.
• 34:15
  It's a bad look and I think it's bad for college football.
• 34:19
  I agree with you, Trent, on this.
• 34:20
  I, I think that ESPN has been the, the focus of this.
• 34:24
  And then we all read into it so much and what they're trying to
• 34:29
  do and, and this committee is a voluntary committee.
• 34:31
  I mean, they ask people to join up.
• 34:33
  They, they try to evaluate the teams as best as they can and
• 34:37
  they get painted into this box. And, you know, whether it was
• 34:40
  the, the Indiana, Alabama, Notre Dame situation.
• 34:43
  But then you know, like, like last year, ESPN was so over the
• 34:46
  top and its criticism of Indiana after, especially after losing
• 34:50
  to Notre Dame and so effusive in its praise for the SEC.
• 34:54
  It's really it, it really needs to take a step back, need some
• 34:57
  self-awareness And and that the show I think is interesting and
• 35:01
  it kind of helps you figure out kind of where things are.
• 35:04
  But they've got to evaluate this because who's going to want to
• 35:08
  be on that committee? I mean, it's just it's a you're
• 35:11
  such a lightning rod and and I don't think ESPN handles it very
• 35:15
  well. And I mean, I know over the
• 35:17
  weekend, Booger McFarland really made himself look stupid.
• 35:21
  Be honest with you when he says that.
• 35:23
  I when it comes to Ohio State, you know, it's like, you know,
• 35:26
  there's not a real dominant team in the in the college football.
• 35:29
  And, you know, in Ohio State, I only seen him once and they were
• 35:32
  against Texas. And I'm like, if you're going to
• 35:34
  say you only saw the the defending national champion in
• 35:37
  top ranked team play once all year, what are you doing?
• 35:40
  Are you don't go just do the NFL.
• 35:43
  And I think ESPN has to address that because right now it is
• 35:46
  1000% biased towards the networks that it it towards the
• 35:50
  leagues that it shows. Scott, document from the
• 35:52
  Athletic doc Great stuff this weekend and it will be busy this
• 35:55
  week as well. And if your schedule allows,
• 35:58
  we'll run you down next Monday. Scott, thanks for jumping on.
• 36:00
  We appreciate it. Yep.
• 36:02
  Have a good one guys. Thank.
• 36:03
  You Scott Dockerman as we checked in on college football
• 36:07
  overall. 1:45 with Miller and Condon.
• 36:10
  We'll come back Mr. Monday Night Eagles favoured on the road by
• 36:13
  two Sound right? Haven't looked at anything all
• 36:17
  day, but yeah, right in that range.
• 36:19
  There was 2. Lucas has 2 1/2 he had made that
• 36:22
  pick on. Friday, does he?
• 36:24
  Yes, FanDuel still has 2 1/2 soda Circa right now are we?
• 36:29
  I mean, I had a crappy weekend, yeah.
• 36:32
  Did you do OK? Well, I didn't miss anything.
• 36:35
  You, you got them all right. Yeah. 5 and O you went five and
• 36:38
  O Yes. Thank God, Doug, I needed you to
• 36:42
  pull your share of the rope. Back over Mount 500.
• 36:45
  Good for you. That's awesome.
• 36:47
  So we must still be I'm. I don't care if I beat you or
• 36:49
  you beat me. We've done that back and forth
• 36:52
  for. Years we have, yes.
• 36:53
  I want to beat those knuckleheads from 2:00 to 5:00.
• 36:56
  Lucas is hot on your heels for first.
• 36:58
  Place I know he is. So you're a Chargers fan?
• 37:00
  You're always a Chargers fan? Well, yeah.
• 37:02
  How much you love a team in your own division, I'll never get.
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  I just want to bet on them when they win.
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  Tomorrow, can we talk about Bears?
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  Packers? Because boy, was that a that.
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  Was a hell of a game. Yeah, it was a hell of a game.
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  Yes, we'll do some NFL tomorrow. Absolutely.
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  Hopefully some baseball tomorrow.
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  Yes, absolutely. Winter meetings going on.
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  Miller and Condon back with Mr. Monday night it's the Iowa
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  Sports Radio Network. All right, Miller and Condon,
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  welcome back. Final couple of minutes here on
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  a Monday off the bench. Coming up next, Sean and Lucas
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  will take you until 5 O clock overtime Iowa 5 to 6 and every
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  single day Monday through Friday starts with the first quarter.
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  Heather Burnside, Alec Bussey, They do a three hour stint from
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  6:00 until 9:00. All three of the shows will be
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  at Jordan Creek for the variety Club 2 day telethon that will be
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  a part of Thursday and Friday. Coming up this week, Jordan
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  Creek Mall Mr. Monday night is here.
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  The Eagles on the road, A2 point favorite the Chargers.
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  Justin Herbert's left hand is broken.
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  You underwent Sergio, but apparently he's going to play
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  Mr. Monday night. My friend Ken Miller says take
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  the Chargers. Mr. Monday night's going to take
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  the Chargers. Yes.
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  Well, the Eagles are broke. I think they are too.
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  But wouldn't this? Be but it would be eagles like.
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  Wouldn't it? Yeah.
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  Go out to LA who they? Where they normally play well in
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  LA. Have a dinner together.
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  They'll be a crap ton of Philly fans there, you know that?
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  Oh for sure. And maybe, just maybe, they look
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  like the team that they should look like.
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  They just look miserable. They do.
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  They're not having fun. We see that so often in
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  basketball, like you can just tell right?
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  We've seen it so many times in our state alone.
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  Sure we're just the chemistry doesn't work.
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  It's so rare in. Football though, well, there's
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  so many more players. Yes.
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  And Kate, you need chemistry. You don't need the same kind of
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  chemistry on a football field. It's just going out there and
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  smash the guy, right and doing your job, those kind of things.
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  It's different in basketball, but this, it looks like one of
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  those basketball teams, like these guys don't like each
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  other. I think you're right.
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  You know, we talked briefly just because it's the unbelievable
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  event. Iowa State men's basketball
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  over. Purdue got overshadowed by their
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  football program. The Hawks came back and beat
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  Maryland. We both said a lot of people
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  said you have to be 1 in one. They crushed Maryland.
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  That was a dominating. It really shot it really well
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  early on. Defense looked outstanding.
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  Do you have any chance Thursday? None.
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  We will talk about that. Obviously building up to
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  Thursday and Wednesday with the women.
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  We're out of here. We're glad you're with us.
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