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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jillets Stadium, and boy do we have a lot
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  Speaker 1: to talk about. You know. Topic number one is the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots game, Tom Brady halftime, that whole thing. But the
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  Speaker 1: AFC East, Holy mackerel. It was turned on its head
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  Speaker 1: last night with the Aaron Rodgers. Now we're finding out
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  Speaker 1: a torn Achilles out for the season. I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: a two horse race now, Patriots in Dolphins.
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  Speaker 3: Could you believe that? Like they ran him out with
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  Speaker 3: the flag? It was they know, like the September eleventh thing.
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  Speaker 8: He's waiting, so.
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  Speaker 3: I should have given Paul momentory. I just I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: believe that though, though, like when Aaron Rodgers went out
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  Speaker 3: with the flag, I'm like the Jets fans, they are ready.
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  Speaker 3: The highlight of this is it and then four minutes
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  Speaker 3: in just kind of awkwardly gets tackled. I couldn't believe
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  Speaker 3: it yet. I couldn't believe those long feet and you
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  Speaker 3: know that yeah angle what yeah, leverage?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I ever see his feet, He's got like size
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  Speaker 1: thirty feet.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't looking at people's feet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it's Grosso in the shoot cleats on. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't anyway, dogs were parking. So yeah, that that's that's huge.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get into that obviously. What does that
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  Speaker 1: mean for the Jets and for the AFC East. But
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  Speaker 1: let's go back to Sunday tough I thought for the Patriots,
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  Speaker 1: but like we talked about in the post game show,
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  Speaker 1: there was enough there both offensively and defensively where I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to see this game on Sunday, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: see what they can do against Miami. I'm excited. I
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  Speaker 1: think there was enough there to give me encouragement.
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  Speaker 3: That's a huge game. I don't know, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: you know, you don't overstate at week two, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: based on how things have gone against Miami and TUA,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think twas four and zero against the Patriots,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, like you said last night, the Bill's losing,
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  Speaker 3: the Jets winning. You know, you've just seen a lot
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  Speaker 3: of chaos here early in the AFC. So I just
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  Speaker 3: think for the Patriots to position themselves, you know, well
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  Speaker 3: for the rest of the season, they got to come
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  Speaker 3: out and just you know, play, play their best game
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  Speaker 3: in a couple of years to you know, and it's
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  Speaker 3: not gonna be easy. These guys are really good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they weren't a shootout with San
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  Speaker 1: Diego and Tua. It is probably gonna be Offensive player
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  Speaker 1: of the Week hands down. How many touchdowns three touchdowns,
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and forty some odd yards.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he was sixty six six chucking it all
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  Speaker 3: over the school yard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: They had seventeen explosive plays. Wow, seventeen twenty plus yard games.
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  Speaker 1: Jill had over two hundred yards catching.
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  Speaker 4: I think it truly just starts with eliminating the mistakes.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's just like a face palm when you see
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  Speaker 4: on the first drive of the game, I don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it happened last year first drive
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  Speaker 4: of the game against Miami. It's like, why does that
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  Speaker 4: always have to happen. Why does it always have to
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  Speaker 4: be a tip for an interception or a fumble. It's
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  Speaker 4: just can we have one drive where we start the
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  Speaker 4: drive with a touchdown and not a turnover? Like It's
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  Speaker 4: just it's hard to beat a team like Miami when
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  Speaker 4: you're digging yourself out of a hole.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna have to eliminate these mistakes for sure.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a I looked it up before the game
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  Speaker 8: to make sure I was right about this because I
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  Speaker 8: had a feeling that maybe they'd start well in this game.
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  Speaker 8: They didn't score their first opening drive touchdown until Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 8: last year. It was in Minnesota on Thanksgiving Night, was
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  Speaker 8: the first opening drive touchdown the Patriots had, and then,
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  Speaker 8: to Tamaar's point, didn't do it again this week either.
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  Speaker 8: So the starts are probably I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: So worried about not scoring a touchdown on the first drive.
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  Speaker 1: Just don't make it easy for them, you know, don't
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  Speaker 1: turn it over and give them a short field or
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, like not scoring right away. That's
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  Speaker 1: to me, that's the least of the problems, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that and finishing you know better, I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: you know, I still think there are threads from the
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  Speaker 3: past couple of years. But you know, I think, as
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  Speaker 3: Paul kind of said on the on the postgame, it
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  Speaker 3: did feel like they had a little more juice in
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  Speaker 3: this game on both sides of the ball. You know,
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  Speaker 3: But it's Week one. How's it going to play out
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  Speaker 3: over the next few weeks. They've got to get to
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  Speaker 3: another level.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we we went in, you know, finding out
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  Speaker 1: that stranger wasn't going to play on when you wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to play, and we were like, oh boy, right Parker.
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  Speaker 1: But I think the offensive line held up in pass protection, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that was a problem for the most part.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, it gave Mac, you know, ability
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  Speaker 1: to execute. I don't think the run game was that good,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, we can work on that. Again, there's
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  Speaker 1: enough there on both sides of the ball where I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know we can Let's let's see what happens this season.
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  Speaker 4: There is potential.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh boy, I really liked I really liked the defense.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not as high in the offense, but I will
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  Speaker 6: I will admit that we're going to get to this.
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  Speaker 6: It's going to be something I think we're going to
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  Speaker 6: talk about a lot of weeks offensively, but defensively, I
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  Speaker 6: haven't seen a lot of those performances since Brady left.
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  Speaker 6: Where they play against another offense that is considered to
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  Speaker 6: be one of the more productive offenses in the league,
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  Speaker 6: and they and they really controlled it two hundred and
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  Speaker 6: fifty yards. That's a really really low amount of yards
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  Speaker 6: for that kind of a team that wants to grind
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  Speaker 6: it out and wants to do different things with the RPOs.
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  Speaker 6: I thought they were really well prepared for it. They
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  Speaker 6: should be, you know, they had you know, six months
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  Speaker 6: to prepare, but I thought they really I mean, it's
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  Speaker 6: hard to tell and getting a guy's head, but I
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  Speaker 6: thought that they had Jalen Hurt's second guessing himself a
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  Speaker 6: little bit on some of his plays. But I was
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  Speaker 6: really impressed with a sixty minute effort on defense. I've
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  Speaker 6: seen them sort of start, you know, with a good
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  Speaker 6: game plan, and then the other team figures it out.
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  Speaker 6: I've seen them sort of struggle early on and then
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  Speaker 6: you know, get it together, but when the game's on
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  Speaker 6: the line and they have to finish it out, they
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  Speaker 6: can't do it.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I'm thinking of like Jonathan Taylor. You know against the
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  Speaker 6: Colts a couple of years ago, you know, the Raiders
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  Speaker 6: came on, you need one more stop to sort of
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  Speaker 6: get the ball back and complete a comeback, and you
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  Speaker 6: can't get it. Well, they did it twice. I was
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  Speaker 6: really I thought that that was probably the best defensive
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  Speaker 6: performance I've seen post Brady against a good team.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean they gave up eighteen points right the defense.
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  Speaker 8: And one of the West came on a short thing.
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  Speaker 6: You have twelve points.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so if someone had told you before the
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  Speaker 1: game that's what they were going to do, you'd be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: shock it up.
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  Speaker 3: I'd sign up for all of it.
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  Speaker 8: You know, that loan the loan touchdown drive came off
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  Speaker 8: after the Zeke fumble. So they started at the think
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  Speaker 8: the twenty twenty one four or something like that. Yes,
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  Speaker 8: I mean they really didn't give up a real touchdown.
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  Speaker 6: Drive twenty six defense in this game.
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  Speaker 8: And to Paul's point about their preparation, I mean this
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  Speaker 8: was like like they looked like they were prepared for
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  Speaker 8: like Super Bowl levels of prepared. They had said they
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  Speaker 8: had like everything, all the RPO and read option stuff.
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  Speaker 8: They had little wrinkles in for all of that kind
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  Speaker 8: of those kinds of things. They spun the dial on them.
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  Speaker 8: They had different disguised coverages like they they were ready
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  Speaker 8: to go defensively in this game. And I think, what's
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  Speaker 8: exciting before I trash the offense, what's exciting about the
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  Speaker 8: defense is that now they have the personnel that you
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  Speaker 8: feel like they have all the missing pieces that maybe
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  Speaker 8: they didn't have last year with Gonzales in place and
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  Speaker 8: Keon White adding into the defensive front. And we'll see
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  Speaker 8: what Marty map Who does with more exposure and more
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  Speaker 8: playing time, But in general, it feels like they have
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  Speaker 8: all the pieces. They have the coaching on that side
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  Speaker 8: of the football, and I was really encouraged by what
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  Speaker 8: I saw that Sometimes you turn on the film with
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  Speaker 8: defense and you're like, oh God, like Jalen Hurts just
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  Speaker 8: missed like ten throws that he could have made. This
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  Speaker 8: did not feel like that this was clean.
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  Speaker 4: How did you think it was without Jack Jones? Could
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  Speaker 4: you really tell that he wasn't there?
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  Speaker 6: Or no, he's so dismissive.
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  Speaker 8: I no, no, it's a good question. I mean to
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  Speaker 8: be dismissive. I just I'm on the fence on Jack
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  Speaker 8: Jones still like, I still don't know if Jack Jones
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  Speaker 8: is what some people think he is in terms of
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  Speaker 8: a football player. So I wasn't really missing Jack Jones
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  Speaker 8: to begin with, I guess, but I felt like, you know,
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  Speaker 8: Jonathan Jones played most of the snaps opposite Gonzales on
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  Speaker 8: the outside. Marcus Jones played a few. I think he
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  Speaker 8: had fourteen snaps on the boundary. So they made it
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  Speaker 8: work with those two guys and Miles Bryant a really
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  Speaker 8: good game for Miles Bryant playing in the slot mostly,
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  Speaker 8: and then Marcus was kind of like the fourth corner.
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  Speaker 3: That was the only time that maybe you could have
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  Speaker 3: said that they missed him wasich just when they had
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  Speaker 3: to put Marcus in on the outside, But it didn't
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  Speaker 3: really seem I don't know if on the touchdown he
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  Speaker 3: gave up if he was Jones on that just inside.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, I have a quick question, has unrelated to
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  Speaker 6: anything we're talking about, just to kind of a fact
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  Speaker 6: to it. According to the game book, it had Marcus
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  Speaker 6: Jones down as one offensive snap, Evan.
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  Speaker 8: Did you Yeah, so they faked the screen to him.
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  Speaker 8: Zeke fumbled it was on this Yeah, so Marcus Jones
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  Speaker 8: is in the game, and they faked the screen to
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  Speaker 8: him and it did.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 8: The play wasn't going to be that overly successful anyways,
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  Speaker 8: even if Z hung onto the ball. But the Eagles
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  Speaker 8: defense did panic a little bit, and they were waving
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  Speaker 8: like over on the the Marcus Jones's side of the field,
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  Speaker 8: like hello, like, this guy's in the game.
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  Speaker 6: We got to watch out for that design. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: get that.
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  Speaker 3: It just especially all eyes are going to be on
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  Speaker 3: him when he gets in there for that first snap,
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  Speaker 3: you know. But fortunately he's fumbled.
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  Speaker 1: So you weren't happy with the offense?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, careful no, I uh, not happy as strong.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, not happy as strong, not as thrilled as others.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think he's strong.
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  Speaker 8: I would agree. I think that here's the thing. There's
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  Speaker 8: a lot of like context and things to discuss with
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  Speaker 8: this problem that they have, but ultimately they don't. There's
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  Speaker 8: nothing explosive about this offense. There's nothing explosive about the offense.
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  Speaker 8: I just mentioned that Miami off the top had seventeen
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  Speaker 8: explosive plays. Now that's like ridiculous, that's off the charts ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: What if we find out about that Miami Miami game
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  Speaker 1: that the Chargers defense is absolutely horrible.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the Chargers defense is sketchy, it is.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't understand how they continue to blow leads
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  Speaker 4: like this, like they did the same thing against Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 5: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: How have you not learned anything over and into.
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  Speaker 6: Because whoa, that was a one score game the whole game.
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  Speaker 6: They didn't They've been back and forth, back and forth.
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  Speaker 8: I just think they were losing at the house.
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  Speaker 6: I don't understand. Yeah, I don't think they blew a
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  Speaker 6: lead on Sunday, that's all I mean. I know they
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  Speaker 6: had the lead in the fourth quarter, but Miami had
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  Speaker 6: a lead in the fourth quarter too, and went back
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  Speaker 6: and forth like this wasn't twenty seven nothing like they
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  Speaker 6: did before. I don't think their defense is very good.
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  Speaker 6: I know everybody keeps saying how badly the Chargers underachieved
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  Speaker 6: because they think that I don't think they underachieved, But
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  Speaker 6: that's the story for a different show.
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  Speaker 8: I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't.
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  Speaker 6: I think they're a good team. They're not a great team.
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  Speaker 6: People think they're a great thy people Chargers.
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  Speaker 8: People look at their roster and think that they have
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  Speaker 8: this all this roster talent, because they have a lot
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  Speaker 8: of really good players at the top of the roster, right,
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  Speaker 8: they have guys like Justin Herbert and Austin Eckler and
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  Speaker 8: Joey Bosa. But when you start to go down the
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  Speaker 8: depth chart with the Chargers and look at their roster depth,
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  Speaker 8: especially in the secondary, I mean they are they are
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  Speaker 8: thin back there.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't think the Patriots can win that game.
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  Speaker 3: You know that that's the game that the Patriots that
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  Speaker 3: that's a tough one for them if the defense doesn't
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  Speaker 3: get yeah, like, if the defense doesn't hold the team.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we've talked about twenty five, but you know, thirty,
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  Speaker 3: it's a it's hard to see them Penatal keep.
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  Speaker 1: Up in that game. I don't want to like go
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  Speaker 1: off on you want to Chargers team with Philly here.
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  Speaker 6: Still we'll do Miami tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: I still char I still want to talk about this
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  Speaker 1: Patriots offense a little bit because I think that I
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  Speaker 1: sense from Evan a little bit of dread going forward.
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  Speaker 8: Look, I think this is the this is the combination
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  Speaker 8: that I will try to keep short. Okay, The main
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  Speaker 8: thing is is that this offense needs to be really,
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  Speaker 8: really good on the margins because they don't have a
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  Speaker 8: quarterback who's a big time playmaker, and they don't have
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  Speaker 8: receivers that are big time playmakers. So when they have
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  Speaker 8: all these little just details that are not buttoned up,
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  Speaker 8: those add up to catastrophic moments like the Kendrick Bourne
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  Speaker 8: play on the pick six. The route in the spacing
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  Speaker 8: could have been a little bit clearer and a little
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  Speaker 8: bit better, the throw could have been a little bit better,
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  Speaker 8: and those little margins that are just yeah, it hit
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  Speaker 8: him in the hands, but it's not a great throw.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like in the air, I don't it's
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  Speaker 3: not behind him high.
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  Speaker 8: But these just these little things when you take out
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  Speaker 8: the don't don't just look at the box score, like
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  Speaker 8: remove the fact that he threw for three hundred yards
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  Speaker 8: and three touchdowns, because ultimately, like who cares that. It's
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  Speaker 8: not fantasy football? Like, no, nobody cares about the stats.
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  Speaker 8: Right if you look at the actual film and go
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  Speaker 8: play to play with Mac Jones in this offense, there's
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  Speaker 8: so many little things. And I get it's Week one,
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  Speaker 8: but I feel like this has been happening for three years.
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  Speaker 8: Like this this is the story is that they don't
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  Speaker 8: have guys offensively, whether it's the quarterback or the receivers,
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  Speaker 8: to make it all up in one play. They don't
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  Speaker 8: have those types of players. So you need to be
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  Speaker 8: so precise to go ten eleven, twelve plays on a drive,
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  Speaker 8: to drive down the field consistently. And I think what
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  Speaker 8: you see is okay, like this throw the ball. You know,
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  Speaker 8: if he puts it on his inside hip, then it's
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  Speaker 8: a first down. But maybe the ball drifts to the
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  Speaker 8: outside a little bit and then just that little tiny
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  Speaker 8: bit of ball placement. That difference is a difference between
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  Speaker 8: a big play and a not big play. Or you
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  Speaker 8: look at the last play to Kaishan Booty, it just
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  Speaker 8: takes too long. The receiver takes too long to run
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  Speaker 8: the route, the quarterback takes too long to throw the football.
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  Speaker 8: And there's guys in this league. And this isn't to
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  Speaker 8: pick on Mac, but if Josh Allen is a beat
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  Speaker 8: late to a deep out like that, he can make
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  Speaker 8: up for it with velocity. He just throws it one
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  Speaker 8: hundred miles an hour. He can't do that. So if
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  Speaker 8: he's going to be a beat late to throwing to
• 15:36
  Speaker 8: Kaishan Boody, there and I get it. He's indecisive about it.
• 15:40
  Speaker 8: He's a rookie receiver that it was the right read
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: to make. On the play, he's hot because they're sending
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: a blitz at him, so he's got to get the
• 15:46
  Speaker 8: ball out. But on that particular play, he's a beat
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: late to it. And if you're a beat late with
• 15:51
  Speaker 8: that kind of arm strength, it's going to make it
• 15:53
  Speaker 8: a really difficult catch on the sideline for the receiver,
• 15:56
  Speaker 8: and Booty can't get his foot down the.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Game because Parker's not. If Parker is, does he make
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: that catch, I.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Think I think they win the game.
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: If Parker played, he definitely makes the back shoulder.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: There's no question the first one.
• 16:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know about this one. This is all
• 16:12
  Speaker 8: about the little little intricacies of timing and footwork and
• 16:17
  Speaker 8: ball placement, because the bottom line is is that he
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: doesn't Mac doesn't have the physical tools to just do
• 16:24
  Speaker 8: whatever he wants. He needs to be so perfect at
• 16:27
  Speaker 8: all of the little things so that he can maximize
• 16:30
  Speaker 8: every ounce of physical ability that he has, because he's
• 16:34
  Speaker 8: not going to just make it up in one play,
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: and he's not going to just be able to throw
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: off platform or off his back foot and have it
• 16:40
  Speaker 8: still go where it needs to go. So there's a
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: couple of plays too where he just looks like he's
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: stuck in the mud, like his feet are just kind
• 16:48
  Speaker 8: of stuck. And if he doesn't step into it, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: if he doesn't get his momentum into the throw, then
• 16:54
  Speaker 8: it takes a while to get there. And that can
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: be the difference between just completion and a completion with
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: yards after the catch. So I think what my frustrations
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: or my concerns come from is they have to play
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: so much on the margins offensively, and what happens in
• 17:15
  Speaker 8: the end of the game, is it just if you're
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: not perfect in those situations, you don't score.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm probably a little bit
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: more optimistic than Evan, but I understand exactly where he's
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: coming from. And I'm not necessarily looking at the game
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: Sunday because I thought they did some good things on Sunday.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: Now I know you're talking about the first drive. Fred,
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: you can't go turnover, turnover three and out three and
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: out three and oh right, okay, So now you're in
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: the middle of the second quarter without having even threatened
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: to score. Absolutely, you can't do that. So I think
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: a lot of people look, as Evan said at the
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: box score, Wow, three hundred yards to be touched up
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: twenty points is not a good total first of all.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: So the fact that they were all passing touchdown makes
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: it look like it was a better offensive performance than
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: it was. But my bigger point about the whole thing was,
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: I'm kind of having flashbacks to twenty one and I
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: think there was a lot of nice things that Bill
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: O'Brien showed on Sunday, and I think the league has
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: gotten their first look at some of the things that
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: they're going to do differently than last year. Yeah, and
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: about halfway through the year, I think you're going to
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: see a lot of that stuff exhausted and what happens
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: then Now, I'm not going to get him in trouble
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: for something that hasn't happened yet, as my boys like
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: to say on my shows, Right, you're not not going
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: to kill them for something that hasn't happened. Maybe Bill
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: O'Brien is better than Josh McDaniels and he's able to
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: continue to be a step ahead of the defense all
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: year round, and they won't have to drop off that
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: they did. I liked a lot of the stuff I
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: saw on Sunday. I'm wondering how sustainable a lot of
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: that stuff is.
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: I think that's where I'm coming from, is that because
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: it seems like everything is still kind of hard for them, right, where.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Like everything everything is a chore.
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and eventually you just need players to go out
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: there and make plays because the scheme can't carry you
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: every single week. You have to have some weeks where
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: they just go out there and make a play. And
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: you know, the fourth down play on the second to
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: last drive of the game, He's got Kendrick Bourne, and
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: Kendrick Bourne is open for a touchdown behind the linebacker level,
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: and when he comes out of the pocket and he's
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: on the move, he doesn't make that throw.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: Free talking about yeah.
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: He doesn't make that throw and I hate I go
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: back and forth with Barth all the time with Josh Allen.
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, but Josh Allen is making that play and
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: I'm not I'm not trying to like compare him to
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: the best quarterbacks every single week, but like, those are
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: the types of plays that he is not I don't
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: think capable of making on the move. So therefore he
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: has to just be so razor sharp on all the
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: other little things that happen over the course of a game,
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: and doing that every single week for seventeen games to
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: have it be consistent and good for the whole season
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: is really hard.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: So we're getting a lot of reaction off of what
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Evan is saying. We'll get to that, but you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I want to get everything on the table. Brady halftime,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: what did everyone think was? Were you satisfied with what happened?
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Because I've heard a lot of people, Oh, all they
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: did was make an announcement, That's what Hardy said. But
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you know, how did you feel about that? And are
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you excited about June twelve?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I liked it. I glowed a little bit. I know
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna laugh at me in the show because I'm
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: the guy that hates Brady, But when he ran out,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: when he ran out with his jersey on, you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that was when I first kind of caught a glimpse
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: of it, and I just thought it was super cool,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, even having been here for a
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: year of him and experienced it firsthand, I don't know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: it just was it was a nice moment. For me
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: just to see him right now. Of course, he said
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: all the right things and the presentation was great, but
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: for me, it was just the runout and seeing the
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: joy in his face and you know, really wondering if
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: he's ever going to do that run out again. You know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: could this be the last time. He's talked so much
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: about how much it meant to him to play in
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: front of so many people in the crowd and the
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: competition and all those things. So that was my that
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: was my favorite part.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love him being up in the lighthouse,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and I like the fact that the first time we
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: saw Brady on Sunday was when he was up there,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: so that was pretty cool. And I like when he
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: said I'll be a Patriot forever. You know, that's all
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I need. That's that's all I needed.
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: You know, that's it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a Tampa Bay shure somewhere like and
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: also a little bit Tampa Bay.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: So my question is, and I know that Tampa was
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: the last team to see him play, so maybe it's
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: not exactly the same, but like he's not going to
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: have that kind of like retirement moment with the Bucks, right,
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: I mean, he was only there for three.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Right, because to do something, they gotta do something. They
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: have nothing else but that that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: Was like to me, that was like the the icing
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: on the cake of the whole day. Was like, he
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: did this for the Patriots because you know, he still
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: recognizes everything that the Patriots meant to him, and he
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: recognized everything that he meant to the Patriots and all
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: that kind of stuff like that. The Bucks ain't getting that,
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: so we at least have that on Tampa Bay that
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: they're not going to get their little I think they
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: half times.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: They would look kind of silly if they made such
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a big thing. You know, yes, he won a Super
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Bowl with him?
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Does he go in their ring of honor?
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Though?
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I bet I bet they probably do.
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: You think they would do that his passing stats, I
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: think some of he has some of their franchise records.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: I would absolutely And I can think of guys that
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: I would honor like that here that we're here for
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: three years, Like Curtis Martin. I think of him like that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: He's not, No, he's not. But I'm just saying I
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: could make that argument.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: No I couldn't.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: No, no, Moss, Moss, No.
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: No, wait, you don't think ma should go in the
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: Patriots Hall fame.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: Oh gosh, I don't know about that.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: Well, I agree with you on Moss, but I don't
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: on Curtis.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Curtis was a great player.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: It's an individual thing, yeah, I mean I an individual whatever.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: So he said, you know, patriot for life. Now, will
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: you feel differently about that comment if he's starting a
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: quarterback for the Jets in two weeks.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: A little bit, just a little bit.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: What was all that talk about your pagero for life?
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: In all seriousness, did he make that call? You have
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: to make the call, right. I'm not telling you that
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: I don't think this. I never say zero as you
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: guys know, I tried not to say zero percent, but
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: probably less than one percent chance that he would say yes.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: But you have to make the qualify of the guests, right.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: He looks I don't think it's just played last year.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: He looks like he's embracing that life side.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I mean I know that Jets one. But now they
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: have the perfect excuse to not win and get a quarterback.
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: You know, but that's not going to happen. Why because
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: they're going to win too many games, just like they
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: did last year.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I said, right, but they if they wanted to, they
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: could make it so that they don't, you know, or.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: Do you suggest that they forfeit? And I cause you
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: can't have worse quarterback play than they did last year
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: and they still won seven games.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I know, but they weren't trying to lose last year.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that they could do the QT and and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: fans would understand the soft tank.
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't really understand, especially the quiet tank, especially
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: in this quarterback class. I mean, you're going to have
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: three or four guys at the top of the draft
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: that are going to be worth taking in the top ten,
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: like not like what we always do is like inflate
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: all these like this is you know, Drake May and
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: Caleb Williams are legit top five rushers.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: Just one year it's the Jets.
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: Cab is going to stay at school. Yeah right, Oh,
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: I don't think he's saying. I don't actually saying. But
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: did he say that. He didn't say about the Jets.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: He just said generally.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: He said, I want to be in a good situation.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: I think that's a great situation.
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and that's you know, credit to the
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Jets defense last night too, and Priests Hall coming back.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: That's I mean, it's it's I mean, I know, laughs
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: at Zach Wilson, but that's still a tough team that
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: it wasn't terrible.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, considering the circumstances, I don't think he looked good.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: I thought he looked a little times.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I am I scared of that Jets defense. Hell yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: they're they're good.
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: That picked him, Matt Malone, You're not terrible.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: I'm not afraid of defenses in general, you know, I'm not.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: That's great that in a cup of five bucks, will
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: buy your cup if what.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: If your offense is severely limited.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Defense, that's but that's on my offense. Like I need
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: to be better offensively, getting back to what Evan talked about.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: I need to be more consistent offense.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Garret Wilson nice catch too, I mean he's he's.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Play the fantasy team went down the toilet with that.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, so can I mean, I don't want to get
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: on a thing here, but like the Bills, it seems
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: like they got Dalton Kincaid and now they're a two
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: tight end team, and that's kind of what they're trying
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: to switch it up.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: He's not a tight end.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's like I get SICKI right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: I know they were saying that a lot last night.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: But regardless what you call him, that that's what the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: that's the receiver said is with David Well, that's what
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I was wondering when I watched it. And I mean,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: you know, you can call him what you want, but
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just I think the Brady Patriots and
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: teams that try to sustain success, you have to evolve, right,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: like you know, and it just and it feels a
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: little bit like the Bills are still kind of they
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: got one foot in and one foot out and heard
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: all this stuff Josh Allen making better decisions and I'm like,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: he took like three or four hits last night. Then
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I'm like, is he okay? I mean, I don't know
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: how he's gonna make it through a season.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: I don't mind it hits as much as everybody else.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: But what else. A couple of things that I saw
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: last night, and most of this was off of highlights
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: because I turned the game off when Aaron Rodgers got hurt.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: I was like, I have no interest in the rest
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: of this game, man, I only I was only watching
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: just to see how the Jets looked with Alan Rodgers,
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: and it lasted four plays. I saw like literally ten
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: other plays in the game live, you know, just clicking around.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Nice if you like football.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I do like football. I don't like Zach.
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: Exactly like I don't need to see that.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: I don't need to see that year.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching. I don't get how bad it was.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: I don't have the Jets.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: It was an entertaining game.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: I hate injuries in general, especially crippling ones, and that
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: one in particular has a soft spot in my heart
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: because I know how much it hurts.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Interesting though he kind of stood up first, was that
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: what you have with yours like it?
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: Don't for two and a half weeks before I went
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: to the doctors. That which that opened another scab last
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: night because Beth got to make fun of me for
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: like the next twenty minutes. Oh, big tough guy, you
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: want to just walk around and pretend if I didn't
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: make you go to the doctors, you still would be
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: doing I said, no, I think it would have rolled up.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: I don't think I would have been able to do
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: would have been at your mid knee.
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: But the Bills not to get back to football for
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: a second. The Bills, they desperately need a second wide receiver,
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: a second pass catcher other than Digs. And that's supposed
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: to be Kincaid, and he did nothing last night. I mean,
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: I know it's his first NFL game, but he was
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: the first round pick. Christian Gonzalez did something in the game.
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: So you know, you look at daland Kincaid and that
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: that's the that's the possession guy, right Like, that's the
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: guy that's supposed to move the chains for them in
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: the middle of the field and have Digs on the outside,
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: and they they really struggled to find like secondary receiving
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: help for Josh Allen. They obviously have Digs, but they
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: need those other guys.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: To your point, it was closing to you the Jets,
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: by the way, owned Buffalo. But anyway, to your point
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: about evolving from the early part of the game that
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: I that I did watch the actual drives, I did
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: think that they made a more concerted effort to try
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: to run conventionally with Cook. With Cook, then they got
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: down inside the ten and they had old pal Damien Harris,
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: you know, try to run it in So I think
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: that is something that might be evolving for them. It
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: is a change because they're used to just saying everything
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: for Josh.
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: But it's a good thing for the defense. Like every
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: time they turned it around and handed Harris, I'm happy,
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: like go ahead.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: So but at the same time, you're telling me that
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: they lost in the Cincinnati game because they can't run
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: the ball, did I yeah, you did. Cincinnati won the
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: game because they were better on the ground and when
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: there were things that I think that run counter to
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: how your game actually unfolded.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: The Belichick database, Paul has an argument database. It's argument fault.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: You can't remember your name.
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: You know, well, I remember saying that it is a
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: long time ago. But I also you know that game
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: was also weather related. So I don't know. I'm not
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: a big run run game guy, like especially again.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: And I don't want them to run a lot, but
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: I do think that they need to run. When they
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: try to run. It can't just be Josh Allen in
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: the spread and we're gonna just spread everything out and
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: then see if Devin Singletary can hit a crease. Sometimes
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: you just have to line up and run the normally.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: And I think that they at least tried to do
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: that early in the game. Now I evidently I didn't,
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: and I didn't watch much of this. Evidently it completely
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: fell apart for Josh Allen in the second half.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Cook look pretty good.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: I like James Cook. I think he's a good player.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Cody writes in I like what Evan is saying. My
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: one takeaway from this game was, man, could they wouldn't
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: they look good with the Wattle Hill Dag's Wilson type
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: receiver improved offense, But man, they just need a guy. Uh.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: And then Jack says finally had something to feel optimistic
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: about in the AFC East, with the Jets changing dramatically
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: for the worst, Josh Allen playing downright bad last night,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: and I thought the Patriots finally gave me some hope
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that we have something decent here. And then Evan brings
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: us all back down to reality. What a drag to
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: listen to?
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: He says, Well, I would say to just you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: and I you know, I hear everything that that these
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: guys are saying. But you know, you started two rookies
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: on the offensive line, like let's you know, let's get healthy,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not going
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: to argue about the Max stuff, but you know, I
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: think that they can get a boost, certainly from getting
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Michael and when you call Strange back, and you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: even Parker for for what he's for what he is.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: So I'll give you that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: Get the offensive line guys back and we'll see.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: We'll see maybe they can run the ball a little
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: bit more. Maybe it helps them establish a little bit
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: of a margin for error that I think we all,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of agree that just hasn't existed the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: last couple of years. It's you know, what the game's
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: going to look like. I think we all were thinking
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: the same thing when it was sixteen nothing. You're like, here,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: this game, if this is the same team as we've
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: been watching for two years, this game is over. It
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: was didn't even take the lead back they got, you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: they got within two points and that was encouraging, but
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: you know, still it's bad start.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: I didn't think the game was over.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: In fairness, people text me in the same to Paul,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: just get the knob.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: I did, and I did not. Now I did not
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: expect it to unfold the rest of the way the
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: way it did. So I don't want to be, you know, disingenuous.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: I didn't. I figured that the Patriots would, you know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: kick around. I figured Philly would lose interest in the game,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: would be a little closer than you. But that's not
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: what happened. Patriots outplayed the Eagles the rest of the game.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: You were almost ready to give the Patriots not the score.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: We were both like they're gonna win with certainty. I
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: thought the Patriots were going to score and after the fumble, yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: when they didn't score. When they didn't score after the fumble,
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: I didn't have the same confidence the second time they
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: went down.
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: Not to toot my own horn.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: But I was Evyan was doom and gloom because because
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: I just.
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: I saw that movie all last season, like how the
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: Bengals game, the Raiders game, Like I've just seen it
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: over and over again, that this team just can't come up.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: What does clutch? But you said the word consistency, and
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: I Paul about the offense, and that to me, it's
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: just how hard it is to be consistent at playing offense.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: This way, like you have to trick the other team
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: all the time.
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the scheme has to work every play. The quarterback
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: has to make the right decision with the proper read,
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: with the proper accuracy and the like all of these
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: little things that happen. Like you just turn on that
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: that Chargers Dolphins game last night, and I you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: I was watching the film during Monday night football, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: like the Dolphins like sometimes don't even look right, but
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: then Tyreek will just outrun everybody, and two it just
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: throws them the football and it's like they can have
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: seventeen other mistakes on one play, but eventually, like ten
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: is just gonna get loose and he's gonna score a
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: touchdown and the Patriots just don't have that luxury.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Neil says, based on the show opening, we should fire Belichick,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: trade our assets, start a new regime, and get a
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: top three pick for a new quarterback. That's insanely harsh,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: but that is what you're saying. Or we'll just go
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: eight and nine for eternity.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: Who said that us? That's what he You know, you
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: were talking about the Jets. You were talking about the
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: Jets when you said that they should just Yeah, no
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: one would know. I don't know I suggesting the Patriot
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: should tank.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what he's talking about. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: was talking about the Jets at that point.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to be clear on that. No
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: one said the Patriot should tank.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, Adam from Louisiana. I'm not trying to compare
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Mac to Tom because they're obviously not on the same level.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Evan was talking about how Mac can't make the throw
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: on the run like Josh Allen can, but Tom Brady
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: didn't make those either, So do we really need it?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: We proved with Brady that you don't need a mobile
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: quarterback to win. What are your takes on the need
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: of mobility and how you can overcome not having it
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: at quarterbacks?
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: It's not you overcome not having it at quarterback by
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: having like star wide receivers and speed wide receivers like
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Jalen Wattle or digs, but like you can't have.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Or you overcome it by having the greatest quarterback of
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: all times.
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: That it's I don't think it's about a question of
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: mobility versus not mobility. It's just you got to give
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: me one or the other. Like Brady was so efficient
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: and so sharp on every single time he dropped back
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: pretty much so that he made up for the fact
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: that he didn't have mobility with the fact that he
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: was just perfect all the time. If you can't be
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: near perfect in the pocket and you can't add plays
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: out of structure on the move, then you're just not
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: giving me either thing. And Mac I think can do
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: the consistency thing from the pocket in stretches and we
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: saw that in the second quarter of the game on Sunday,
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: But can he do it for four quarters? Can he
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: do it when it counts late in the game? Can
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: they do it? Not just him? And that's the difference.
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: Brady made up for all the mobility stuff because he
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: was perfect and not everybody's going to be perfect, but
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: you need to be consistent.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: H I feel like they're just relying so much on
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: their coaching and their ability to coach around the fact
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: that they don't have an elite quarterback and they don't
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: have elite receivers and it's like, how long will that ye?
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: How long will you be will you be able to sustain?
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: I just watched the punt return for the Jets game.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: How did they not call that?
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I know, block yep in the back it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: Was it was a block below the waist. It was
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: a trip Lake win.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there was some Twitter Twitter, people pointing
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: out that.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but that like that that could have been significant.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: That might have forced the Jets to get a first down.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I don't know who's taking a field seriously, Like that
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: was about the twenty five yard line. That's a fifteen
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: yard penalty for a trip.
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: It's from the spot of the foul, right, so it was.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: At the twenty five yard line. They might have had
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: to get a first down to get a field goal.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Who was it that said this game has an asterisk
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of that the rules of experts?
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Joe Perry or Joe Perry perros Man.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, did you see the old people want guitars for
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: the Rogers?
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: What do you think about that? That was somebody pose
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that should you know, uh, sports books, and I'll give
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: refunds for a situation like that.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Nope, I.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: Risk Yeah, that's why. Yeah, that's why it's gambling.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: What happens if you bet on a team in the
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: other team's quarterback gets hurt? Like, do you.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: Like the Patriots wouldn't have won ten games two years
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: ago if all the teams that they played were healthy, right, Like,
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: that's ridiculous.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I think I think they were talking about like season
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: long wages, but still right.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: No, I'm saying like people that bet the under of
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: a team's win total, right, and they end up instead
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: of winning five games, they win seven games because they
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: didn't they played the Jets without Aaron Rodgers twice.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Right, I wonder I'm surprised, like there wasn't anything like
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: that when the Bengals Bills game got suspended.
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: Like, I'm glad that people those bets were noll and
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: void were because of that game. Yeah, because it didn't.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: It has to go a certain amount of time.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a result. Shotty from Beirut Lebanon right. Sin
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Evan is absolutely spot on the amount of delusion and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: happiness that I've seen from the fan base for an
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: offense that scored twenty points and failed to win the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: game despite having two chances to do so is baffling
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to me. This is similar to every showing from last season.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: They're in a hole, they make a mini comeback and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: don't actually win the game. A question for everyone did
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: anyone think Mac would win us the game in either
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: of those two drives? I did not. It was an
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: all two fight script.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: The first ve when when Jabrill Pepper's forced to fumble.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: I thought they were gonna get out in the score.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: Me too, Yeah, I did not have the same confidence
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: the second time around because of what happened on.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: The first I had no confidence at any point.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: No, and Evan is not exaggerating. He was sitting he
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: really didn't. He was sitting between Mike and I and
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: he did not have any confidence.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I think once I see Mac complete a comeback, then
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I will have some confidence.
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: But for now, I don't that. I don't love the
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: stat of fourth quarter comebacks and game winning drives because
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of context involved in these stats. But
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: he is one fourth quarter comeback and game winning drive
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: the same game Houston his rookie season. One time he
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: has led a game winning drive in thirty three starts.
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: And that that to me is not just on the quarterback,
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: but just in general. Like I don't I don't know
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: if you can explain clutch, like how do you like,
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: how do you coach that? How do you cay But
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: we see this all the time out at practice where
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: Bill will say two minutes to go, you're down by four,
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: you need a touchdown, defense needs to stop a touchdown,
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: go play, And I don't keep track of who wins
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: every single time. But the point is is that they
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: run through these scenarios all summer long, and yet when
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: it gets to the game, they never have it, Like,
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: they never have the ability when the chips are down
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: and the money's on the line. And in this league,
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: that's such a big difference between ten and seven in
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: the playoffs and eight and nine and out of the playoffs.
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: Are these little swing games that happen, like that's a
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: game that if they're eight and eight going into the
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: last game of the year and they're out of the
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: playoff picture or whatever, we're going to look back and
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: be like, oh, they had a chance to play the
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: pill game.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was watching Cleveland and the Bengals and
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know, a real low scoring
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: game until the end, then they started putting points on it.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: That's the NFL these days. You know.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Let's just look at all of I mean, every one
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: of the Super Bowls that that they Patriots played in,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, every single one of them came down to
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: needing to be clutch at the end. I Mean, I
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: just think it goes back to the general sentiment about
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the team that it's just it's a very narrow path
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: to victory. And it's not just about the last drive.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It's about the whole game. You know, It's about the
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: mistakes that were made on the first two drives, you
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: know that eventually come back and catch up with you.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: It's not just you know, in a vacuum. Here, let's
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: run one drive at the end of the game.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Let's let's play a game. If the if the Patriots
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: offense is to improve, what will be their identity?
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Just I would have to be pinpoint execution. I think,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: you know, get healthy and you know, maybe involved Mario
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Douglas a little bit more. I mean, I'm sure we'll
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: get to talk a little bit about Juju. But you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I think everybody feels pretty good about Hendrick Born right now.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: You know, so was it Born Parker Douglas.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Will it be like an offense that shredsed that you
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: know a thousand cuts?
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, definite.
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think points spot on, pinpoint execution.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: It's gonna be precision and no mistakes at all. Like
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: it's gonna have to be like elite special teams, precision
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: on offense, no turnovers at all.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: It's gonna have you.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Perfect And then when they do have a that one
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: or two mistake per game, the defense bails them out.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, look, nobody's gonna play perfect, you know,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: like no offense should be expected like that. It's not
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: like you're on a razor's edge of you know, walking
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: that narrow. But you know, at least when you stack
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: eighty ninety percent of the game is excellent execution, then
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: it does give you a little bit of a margin forever.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: But certainly, you know, to Tesmaris, but you can't start
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: out in a sixteen to nothing hole, like this team
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: is not built for that at all. So fast starts,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: good finishes are imperative.
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: This game followed so many Patriots trends of the score
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: twenty five points exactly, they're oh to eleven with Mac
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: Jones as a starter when the opponent scores twenty five
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: plus comebacks, can't do it, like all these trends that
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: they over the last you know, two and a half
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: years of Mac, Like it's all the it's all the
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: same trends of this game. Check the boxes on. You
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: dig yourself into that hole. You can't mouth the comeback,
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: you can't score more than twenty five, Like those are
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: all the things that this team has just not been
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: able to do.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: I also feel like you just can't teach someone how
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: to be clutched or to have ice in their veins.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: You have it or you don't, and you can't as
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: much as you can work on it, like practice it
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: at practice, you just have it or you don't.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I'd say the same thing about greatness, you know, like
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: just greatness is innate, like you know, and I think
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: everybody agrees Mac works super hard, Like I don't think
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: there's a quarterback in the league probably that is putting
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: more of himself into his job and what he's doing.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: But you know, at some point, it just it has
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: to translate to a jump, you know. And I don't
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: think anybody, even those that are trumpeting the performance with
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: the yardage and the touchdowns, are saying that, you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: this is another level we haven't seen. Certainly deserves credit
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: for those touchdown throws in the red zone. I mean,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: we didn't see that last year, So I do have
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: to give them. And that's why I thought I thought
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: they were gonna win. I thought that they had a
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: little juice in the red zone. And you know, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: guess I'm I'm still used to when those things happen
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: with Brady, Like how many times did they come back
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: and not get the job done? Like I just thought
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: of San Francisco in twenty twelve where it was like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, come back, to come back, to come back,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: and then it's like not a comeback. You know, it's
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: a few times, but you just felt when the momentum shifted,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: they're going to face shit it enough.
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: Where you ye, well, that's the thing is Like I
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: feel like we always remember the Patriots front running in
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: the Brady years, like just killing every single team, But
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: there were so many games where they made a lot
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: of mistakes, you know, twenty eight to three, like right,
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: you need to just.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Make twenty thirteen the Broncos that huge hole.
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: You just make a n of mistakes and they just
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: were able to climb out of them all. And that
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: this team needs to front run, like they need to
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: play from ahead, they need to play at their tempo
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: and at their game script and then they can win.
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: But when the game script does, when the script doesn't
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: go to plan, they don't they don't have a plan
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: B Like they can't win those types of games. And
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: I think we always forget how many of those there
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: really were.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: And I think in terms of the script, I agree
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: with you one thousand percent about the game script. But
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: I also think that's largely true for Mac. I think
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: when he's shown like more often than not, that he'll
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: get the ball where it's supposed to go if everything
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: looks right. And I even go to that last the
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: last pass to Booty, I thought it was I mean,
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: I totally understand where Evan's coming from. You maybe it
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: was a little tick late and that allowed the corner.
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: I think it was Job. Was it the former Alabama
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: kid right that was sick during the week. Yeah, he's
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: the one that I thought made a really underrated play
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: by pushing Booty out of bounds. He's pushed the booty
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: and maybe you know, a savvy er wide out like
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: Parker who's excellent with the toe taps right, Ye, maybe
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: he drags the foot before that push comes. Maybe if
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: it throws a split second earlier, like Evan said. But
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: I thought that was one of his better throws of
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: the day, if not the best. Tha that's you know,
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: games on the line. But how did it come about?
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: Back foot snap, backfoot balls out, boom, nothing to look
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: at nothing to think about the this is where I'm going,
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: and I'm gonna throw with conviction. But to your point
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: on the fourth and three, I think that might have
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: They might have been trying to get Juju on some
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: kind of an option route that he was not prepared for.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: And I heard a lot of people talking about this
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: yesterday in the radio. I watched the same play. I
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: kind of got the same you know when you said
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: he may may have had born to off script, off platform,
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: And this is why, like I sort of bristle at
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: the well, Brady couldn't throw on the run either. No,
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: Brady wasn't a great on the run, like stripped on
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: the run passer, but he could move around off platform
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: and make plays. And I think back way even early
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: in his career to that bomb in overtime to Troy Brown,
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: where he's buying time in the pocket, back pedaling and
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: throwing the ball sixty yards downfield to you know, in
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: stride to Troy Brown for a touchdown. Mac doesn't and
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: it's not about like Armstead. He doesn't. I don't think
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: have the ability to rip the ball unless he's really
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: got his base underneath him.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Rhythm in rhythm and he can do it like grow.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: It's arm strength is not a problem when everything is
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: okay when it comes into play and we how many
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: times do we say, my god, he's just like floating
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: them into you know, traffic and defensive team meetings. Two
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: is very similar. I think these two quarterbacks are really similar.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: And I watched a little. I didn't watch the whole game,
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: but I watched a little of the highlight package. Two
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: was going to give you some chances. He gave the
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: Chargers some chances for picks the other day. Only one
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: of them got intercepted. I would say the same thing
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: about Mac. You know, he's gonna throw it fifty four times.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: The Eagles got their hands on five or six of
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: them or had a chance even if they didn't hit them,
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: they had a chance to make a play on more
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: than the one that they picked off.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Eight five five pats five hundred is the ace ticket
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: hut line. Let's open the phones up. We'll go to
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Sean and Vancouver. What's up, Sean?
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I, like the most rest of you, or just
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: about everybody, I was disappointed that didn't win, but I
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: was encouraged because you know, as you probably know, my
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: focus is more on the future. I didn't expect the
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: Patriots to beat the Eagles. This is a game that
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: was a huge, huge challenge, and you know, the Patriots
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: made mistakes. We've been pointing them out. They need to
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: work keeping the ball down and a pop is not
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: that tall. They need to make better decisions like taking
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: points and believing in your defense. That's something they need
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: to do as well. And wide receivers that work on
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: those tool taps. As a rookie, you can do that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: And I have some confidence that these things will happen
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: over the year and they'll be better moving forward. And now,
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: like I said, this Eagles game was a huge challenge.
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: Areas that the Patriots had to work on that were
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: problems last year. Stopping mobile quarterbacks.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: They did that this.
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: Game, you know, keeping yards down against top offense, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: they kept the Eagles down mostly. Again, the defense played
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: really well and you know, depending the tight ends. Sure
• 46:53
  Speaker 9: the Eagles only target at Dallas Dot Are once and
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: it's probably open, but we don't know if he'll catch
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: a ball, so maybe they were good at that too.
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: Also giving up pressure like that. Had that offensive line,
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: my god, they had two rookie backup guards in there
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: and the right tackle that never played for the Patriots
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: were not even in the three seasons Calvin Anderson. I
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: think he did pretty well and they didn't give up
• 47:15
  Speaker 9: a back until the end of the fourth quarter. But
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: most importantly, and Fred, you were saying, this is a
• 47:19
  Speaker 9: key for this moving forward is mac Jones has to
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: be better than he was two years ago. And I
• 47:25
  Speaker 9: have confidence now I haven't seen it, but now in
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: this game it looks like, yeah, maybe he can't. Sure
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: they don't have a deep threat. The running game didn't work,
• 47:35
  Speaker 9: so he had to do the quick throwsers like no
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: chance to play action with you know, being down sixteen early.
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: But maybe if they have someone besides Born to go deep,
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: that will work moving forward. So that's what I'm saying
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: is I'm encouraged and I'm optimistic now from that game,
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: even though it was a really disappointing loss.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks Sean.
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: I just don't know where they are optimism comes from.
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry. I don't mean to be so negative, but like,
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: what what what have they shown that they're gonna especially
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: at the quarterback, that he's going to take like some
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: giant lead forward. I just I don't know where that defensively,
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: I get it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: Like everything Sean said about the defense, I would agree
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: with him and I and I get the optimism there.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: The other part, like, I think we're talking about this
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: team like it's a little engine that could and I
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: don't think we should be in that situation four years
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: into the rebuilt process. I like the fact that some
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: young guys got their feet wet the other day. But Mike,
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: this is something you harp on a lot, and I
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: agree with you. That'd be great if you retain you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: the almost two dozen guys that are going to be
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: coming up. You know, you know where's Douga going to
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: be next year? Where's or when You're going to be
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: next year? You know, whiz gonna be. I mean, I'm
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: not advocating that they all return. I don't think that's
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: the right way to go either. Don't fall in love
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: with all of your your own players. But if all
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: of those guys are gone and then you know, okay,
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: great because we have Keyon White and Marte Mapu, but
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: only for three more years after this, Like that's not
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: like then you're constantly in this thing and the age
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: of the roster, to me is I don't care like
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: everybody says how young they are because they have eleven
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: rookies on the on the team. Well, I saw a
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: stat that like in terms of average age, they're like
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: twenty sixth.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, they got a bunch of guys that skew that,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Like who Slater?
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: Who else?
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Other people?
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: I mean with with you cut the thirty eight year
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: old kicker. That was the thing. Last year you had
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: Slater and Folk. Now you just have Slater. One guy
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: ain't skewing.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Fifty three And that's the front of the line. And
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I it's lots of dissect there. I mean,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I think I said it to Evan during the game.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, so you're gonna kind of play dugger at
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: free safety now, so he's not going to really have
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: the play making that he did.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: I'm not even getting into I'm not even getting into
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: the dark place that you're going with.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: So you know, you're kind of setting it up as
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: he's not going to have a statistically productive year. He
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: might be very value.
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: We're going to try to keep his market value down.
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: I'm not even going to that dark.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying that it's and I'm not
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: saying that it's that it's you know, purposeful. I mean
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: I think that he probably is their best option. And
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: and you know they spun the dialogue like you know,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Pepper's had a nice play playing free safety, Like you
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: know Moles would be back there a little bit, but
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: the same thing he played twenty four snaps, you know,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Like I mean, I know, it's a mobile quarterback and
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: you know it's not the drop back passer.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: And that's that's what a guy like that, that's that's athletic.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Well, certainly a guy that you know, had what twelve
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: sacks last year and is going to be a free agent,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: is probably going to have a demand as a pass rusher.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: And you know he's still just a role player in
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: this defense. And I just I wonder how much they
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: value him. And then you got two rookie guards who
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: were both getting experience right out of the gate. What's
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: that going to do for Michael and win?
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: You?
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you really what if? If?
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: If so?
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, Evan, I think you wrote you like so
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: better as a as a guard. I mean I think
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: you look better too. He wasn't great, but I mean.
• 50:57
  Speaker 8: Had some struggles, but but he was better.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: But you got some you have something to.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: Work right back.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they gave up a lot of pressures to be sure,
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: but they tried, so Fred, Yeah, they passed fifty eight
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: six fifty eight.
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: He dropped dive fifty eight times with penalties and stuff
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: like that.
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, so I mean they get up a I
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: think I saw something from PFF. I don't know if
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: it's accurate that they was about a third of the place,
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: about third of the pass player. They got pressure one,
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: which is a pretty I mean that's a pretty significant total.
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: But to Fred's point, it didn't break down the offense. Yeah,
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: when Fred, you said that off off the at the top,
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: they did. They did a great job of getting the
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: ball out really quickly. Mac took some hits, to be sure,
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: and some of those hits that he took, he delivered
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: pretty good passes on. Yeah, in fairness to him.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: And that's why I wonder some of you know, not
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: all of it, but some of you know when you
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: have a bad offensive line, you're gonna throw a lot
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: of screen passes. You know you're gonna tempt an aggressive
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: front four with screen passes. And were there too money? Probably,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: but you know, I just think that probably an underrated
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: element of all this is just they had a lot
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: of stuff they were working around here in this first game,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: and that's not an excuse. They might have to work
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: around it this week too. But I do think that
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: there were at least some early elements you could point
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: to that that could see.
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: Sixteen targets for running backs in this game.
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, past yeah, the blocking. I thought pass protection wise
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: they were at thirty one percent. Was there the pressure
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: rate against and anywhere between thirty and thirty five you're
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: like in the danger zone, but you're not really it's
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: not danger I don't think it was. I don't think
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: it's the Travis thirty five plus is like, okay, this
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: is this is a bad game, Like this is a problem.
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: You know, Jalen Hurds has at forty two percent, so
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: the defense got after Jalen hurts. But I would just say,
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: you know, the biggest thing I thought was that the
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: individual pressure is added up because how many times they
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: dropped back. So I don't really like hurt them that
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: much for that. The run game, though, was was a mess.
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: They had a lot of trouble. Now, this group that
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: hasn't worked together a lot, so when you start talking
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: about working combination blocks and timing and rhythm in the
• 52:55
  Speaker 8: run game. And you have Soe who played tackle the
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: entire summer and now he's playing guard and you have
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: all these different moving parts. That's part of it. But
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: the run game was really worried something that the past
• 53:06
  Speaker 8: protection was better than I expected.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Christians in La.
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: What's up?
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Christian? Christian? Christian in La? Going once twice sold? Let's
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: see what this mouse is stuff? John is in Louisiana.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: What's up? John?
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: Hey? What's up?
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: Y'all?
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Hey John?
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: I'm I just feel like y'all giving Mack a little
• 53:32
  Speaker 11: too much on the shoulders. I mean, can we talk
• 53:34
  Speaker 11: about the play calling towards the end of the game.
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: I mean, and in the ball off is on the
• 53:40
  Speaker 11: what third and three?
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Terrible call?
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: I agree with you, John, I didn't like that call
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: at all.
• 53:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: And I think even though we know Mac doesn't have
• 53:48
  Speaker 11: the ability to get out of the pocket, it is like,
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: let's I don't like the third and lungs that. Then
• 53:53
  Speaker 11: now Mac has to be extra, you know what I mean?
• 53:55
  Speaker 11: I like to be com from anywhere third and four
• 53:58
  Speaker 11: thirty three and stuff like that. But my last question
• 54:00
  Speaker 11: is how do you feel about discussion on both us.
• 54:02
  Speaker 11: I don't think we did some.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Good about special teams.
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: Little bit of a mixed mixed bag.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Thanks John for the.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: Patriots special teams. I thought Marcus Jones had a terrific
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: punt return in his first attempt. Then I think he
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: lost his mind for the rest of the game, right.
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: I thought he made some very questions every time now
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: very questionable decisions, fumbled one of them fortunately went out
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: of bounds. Ty Montgomery had one really good kick return,
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: so that would be the positive stuff. The two plus returns,
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: I thought Barringer was a little inconsistent, bad touchback on
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: one of them. Another one where I thought he had
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: a chance for a plus fifty. I think he got
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: to the like eighteen, which okay, goes down is inside
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: the twenty, but not a great kick. They lost on
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: one of Barringer's really long punts. They lost containing gave
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: like a thirty yard return the other way. I think
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: it was like twenty five thirty yard, So mixed bag.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: I didn't think it was bad, it wasn't last year,
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: but I thought it was a little mixed bag.
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: Would you guys think, Yeah, it sounds about right, Yeah,
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: I didn't think it wasn't anything that they like. It
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: wasn't a game changing difference, you know.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't see a lot
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: of flags on the Patriots on special teams, which.
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: I don't think there were any real flags on special teams.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I think there was one, No, was there. Yeah, I
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: think there was a hold maybe on I think there
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: was at least one. But anyway, but we saw a
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: lot of that last year. We didn't see that. Yeah.
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: The one the one nipick I had about the special
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: teams was they got to do a better job blocking
• 55:36
  Speaker 8: the gunners on the punt team. I'm not really sure.
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: They have this new thing that they were doing where
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: they had Slater in the middle and he was at
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: like about eight to ten yards, and then they had
• 55:47
  Speaker 8: Jabriel as the up guy, which they've done in the
• 55:49
  Speaker 8: past with like Ammondola and Edelman. So they have the
• 55:51
  Speaker 8: short guy they received the short punt, and then the
• 55:54
  Speaker 8: Marcus Jones all the way back deep. But when you
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: have three guys in the middle of the field like that,
• 55:59
  Speaker 8: you're one on one on the outside on the gunners.
• 56:02
  Speaker 8: So a couple of the times that Marcus Jones field
• 56:04
  Speaker 8: to the ball and you know, took some of those hits.
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: I agree with Paul that I think he was trying
• 56:08
  Speaker 8: to make a play. I think, you know, he knows
• 56:10
  Speaker 8: he's one of the more explosive guys on the team,
• 56:12
  Speaker 8: and he's trying to make something happen. But I wonder
• 56:15
  Speaker 8: if maybe they start to double team the gunners.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I remember saying, where's the vice guys?
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I just thought, and I know why.
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: Evan's absolutely right, that's why Marcus Jones is choosing to
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: make those plays. But man, they were fortunate not to
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: lose the ball at all, and I think there was
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: two of them.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Daniel Wright saying, can someone explain to me what
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Bill was thinking to go on fourth down rather than
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: kick the field goal. I was at the game and
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: when they went for it, everyone was shaking their heads
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: and figured it would cost us, and sure enough it did.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it seems like, well, I mean there's
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: a couple different things we're talking about, right, Like to
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: midfield goals.
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: I mean there was four they went for it four times,
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: so there's a bunch of different scenarios to work through.
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: But the one at the beginning in the fourth quarter,
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: think there's about nine minutes to go, and they went
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: for it on four down, down eight, and I that one,
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: to me was like what are you doing? Like you
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: make it a five point game? Now a touchdown wins
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: the game. Instead the Eagles get the ball back and
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: go up eleven. I hated it, and because to me, like,
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: I don't know how you guys feel, but like eight
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: points to me is a two score game because you
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: need the touchdown and you need the two point conversion.
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: So you need to make two things happen in order
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: to get up at eight point. So I always love
• 57:26
  Speaker 8: if you're down eight, like, eliminate the two point conversion,
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: Like it's easier to kick a field goal, I think
• 57:31
  Speaker 8: sometimes than it is to get the two point conversion.
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: So that's the one that I would.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good way to think
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: I don't look at it that way. I mean Evan
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: and I arrive at the same spot in terms of
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: our thoughts on the To me, eight is still you
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: know it's one. All you need is one score, one
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: possession to get eight. I get the the thing, but
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: I there's a couple of things here. That really bothered me,
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: and you know I won't. I know, I've been through
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: this with you guys, so I'll do the abridge version.
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: The first they had fourth and eight and they could
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: have had a fifty four yard field goal, and they
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: chose to go for it. Okay, that to me is
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: at least understandable. It's the fourth quarter of an eight
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: point game, and you don't want your rookie kickers first
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: ever NFL attempt. I think Evan, you said this to
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: me during the game, to be a fifty four yard attempt,
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: you know, in rainy conditions. Even if it wasn't raining
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: per se at the time, it was obviously sloppy. So
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: maybe that's why he passed that one up, got bailed
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: out by an unbelievable Hunter Henry one handed catchy. But
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: you have fourth and three from the seventeen with ten
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: minutes left in the game. I don't think that one's defensible.
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: He what really bugged me was the postgame talk where
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: he said we didn't know how many more times we
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: were going to be down there, which is understandable because
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: you don't expect in the last ten minutes of the
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: game to be inside the red zone two more times,
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: but at least once, but once you could have expected
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: to be down there. And I think that what ended
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: up happening is he put it in a situation where
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: the Eagles could kind of close the game out with
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: one drive, and that's exactly what happened. The Eagles took
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: the ball after that failed fourth down, drove down the field,
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: kicked a field goal, and made it a two score game.
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: Now you fortunately had another chance because the Eagles turned
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: it over their last two times that they had the ball,
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: and you couldn't certainly couldn't rely on that. But when
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: Bill said there was six minutes left, that bugged me
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: because either he was not remembering the situation, which is
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: not good, or he was purposely trying to be cute
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: there and see if he could get one past everybody.
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: And either way, I didn't like it. And I also
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: thought on fourth and seventeen, you have to punt after
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: the Jabrill Peppers force fumble. Patriots ended up getting sacked
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: on that drive. Then they take a delay a game.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: It's fourth and seventeen from the forty eight yard line,
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: punt the ball pin them. It makes it easier to
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: play defense again. He got b out by his defense,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: which forced to four and out. But you again, do
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: you think they were going to go for fourth down
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: from their own fifteen if you punted right? So you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: put the you make your defense's job even harder.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 8: I saw my question to Bill, and I because I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: the postgame thing bubbed me a little bit too. I
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: was like, that's it's not you're not that's not the right,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: That's not what the question was about. The question was
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: about the nine minute mark why he didn't kick the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: field goal, And I just wonder. I asked him a
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: few years ago about using analytics with those types of things,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: and he completely scoffed at any sort of math being involved.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: Is it analytics? Like who's responsible now for being in
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: Bill's ear and saying, this is what our chart, whatever
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: it is that they use, whether it's a chart or
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: it's what if it's just him, If it's just Bill's gut,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 8: then that concerns me. I don't need it to be
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: like some nerds win probability calculator necessarily, but there has
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: to be like a method to the madness. And if
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: he's just going based off of feel, then that's concerning.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: And so and just to clarify because there's been a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: lot of talk about the time on third and three
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: from the seventeen They snapped the ball with ten minutes
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: and thirteen seconds left. That's a long way from six minutes.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: That's a long way from six minutes. Like everybody's like, oh,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: it was like nine minutes late. He was off by No,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: he was off by four minutes. By the time they
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: snapped the ball on fourth down. There was still nine
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: to thirty nine left, not six minutes. So either he
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: was talking about something else or when was the lost.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: When was the because they went for it on fourth
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: down again after that and doing for it on fourth
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: and seventeen, right, that was after that?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, the fourth and seventeen was later in
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: the game, so that was much.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: There was no fourth down that maybe could have been
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: at the six minute mark that he was confusing with, yeah,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 8: because there was four of them, So like I, you
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: weren't really.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: Fourth and seventeen happened with two twenty four left in
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: the game.
• 1:01:59
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  Speaker 6: One thing I am sure of and that will never
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: change is that I am a Patriot for life.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: And there's a give up the middle of a fixed
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: preech through the left side across at twenty five with
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: a cut.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 10: To the outside cast mid field, tackled by Mafu Gaywell
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 10: finished strong last year for the Eagles, had a terrific postseason,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 10: and he's got Philly in a first down in New
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 10: England territory. After that run, that hurts with another first
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 10: intent from a Patriots twenty two.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sent somebody here.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 10: He works with two receivers right q left, including a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 10: ton on the wing, a thing to the inside.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: Hurts on the run.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 10: Well, you got it, cost Well, and he spills in
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 10: front of the I'm coming Bentley. He goes down for
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 10: the loss.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: Back up the twenty four.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 13: If they're gonna do a lot of these RPOs and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 13: had decision makings on Jalen Hirts Etcentia awakens, breaking somebody
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 13: from the backside, so that time's Shayalen Mills down in
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 13: the box.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: He blocks off that right hand chases him downhill. Nowhere
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: to go for hers make him make quicker decisions his nap.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 10: He's a pressure by Judin pick get to the quarterback,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 10: put a sack at the fifteen.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: The first of twenty twenty three for mat you don
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: Philadelphia blue lit line call. Here the right tackle didn't
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: extend at all.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: He came down with the cord.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 13: So whatever the call was from me from Travis Kelcey
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 13: in the middle case at Kelsey, his brother made the
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 13: call and it squeezed the tackle down, which free Judah on.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: Us, Kennedy said.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 10: Jones takes the step format rush good to the nearsid ball,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 10: letters off my hands afore and picks off slave las
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 10: it along the nearside mass at fifty across the point
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 10: as caught white past Johns. Goodbye to the twenty fifteen
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 10: to ten. You're gonna turn in a high step into
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 10: the end.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: Zone for a pick six. It's a bath throw you
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: got all day. He had all day.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 13: You're able to step up in the pocket and he
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 13: throws a high ball to KP Kendrick Bourne.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: When it's raining the way it is now, the ball
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: is slick. You gotta have that ball low.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 13: That's the second high pass the game off the deflection
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 13: and it's pick six, great return for a seventy yarder,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 13: and now you're fighting.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: Up pill again.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 10: Instead, it's a Philly first and goal to go just
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 10: outside the five. Late in the first snap to hurtz
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 10: Design roll to the right, looking at the end zone,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 10: throws on the go low throw to the sideline and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 10: that passes cockper a touchdown jail it. It hurts connects to
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: Davon die Smith.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 13: To any mistakes, penalties and turnovers turnovers for touchdowns.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: Elliott with an other kickoff hid to the goal line
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 10: handled by Montgomery, runs it left side of the ten
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 10: tige across the twenty a sprinted twenty five thirty Montgomery
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: outside the forty yard line and Montgomery shut down of
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 10: Allens along the far side in front of the Patriots bench,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 10: Ringo with a shove out as the last man back
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 10: for Philadelphia at the New England forty four.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 13: There ain't no flags, all right, You do something with
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 13: this now, sixteen zip get the ball in midfield.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: Can't have a three and out.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: Now the Patriots stare at a third and ten down
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 10: sixteen to nothing. Here of the first quarter, two O
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 10: three to go, Stevens and chips to the right of Jones.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 10: It takes the snap, Eagles rush four pocket collapsing, Jones
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 10: rolls out left being chased. He throws along the far side.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 10: The pass broken up and again a dangerous throat well
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 10: covered along that far side. Three nine get ship starting
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 10: safety for the Eagles with a breakup. Here come the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 10: boo birds get a buzz kill and Fox crows above
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 10: the excitement with Tom Brady on hand watching this game.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 10: Now who the owner's booth with his family next to
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 10: the crass that's.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 13: Getting dressed up, putting on cologne, little uh, little deodorant.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 13: Going to pick the girl up at the house and
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 13: the thors a lot and she's not home.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 10: Must kill a second A goal to go from outside
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: the Philadelphia eight left hash marks.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: It came ins into the back field as Jones takes
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: the snap. He's cracking. He throws at left corner and
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: the hand up Henri putch down. Patrians, there you go,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: captain to captain. First tucks down of the year where
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: Jones and Henry. It's a good quick to sice it
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: thrown by Joones. He didn't labor he got it. It's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: off the back foot.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 13: It's a double sea level left, but it's a nine
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 13: yard touchdown.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: He takes the snap, he stands and he stands in.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: He fires toward the end of the.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 13: Patrians a laser by Jones to Kendrick Board.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: That's the mac Jones from two years ago. Holy folks,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: he had mustard on.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 13: That one, nineteen yard dagger off the skinny.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: Tell you what, Kendrick Born can run the skinny pose.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: We haven't seen it since Dallas two years ago. That's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: the one he creased it on. And man, it's a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: bat bang Port knew he had it. Split the coverage.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: We got a game.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 10: Fourth down and eat from the Philadelphia thirty six New England.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: Isn't he all Donica Blue? And defense is playing well?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: Why Hurts has not been lighted up? Defense feels pretty good.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 10: I like the factor golf court here, Jones steps forward
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 10: to set the protections, pointing with his left hand and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: he motions Kenry to the left with his right hand.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 10: He extends the hands. He takes the snap, he stands in,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 10: He kill the punches.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: He throws a quick.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 13: Want to catch on one roun A penny folds across,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 13: but twenty.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: Five with a perst down. Oh Man pointed.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Hunter, Henry, save you right here because.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: This is a tight window. Oh Jones held on to it.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 13: Henry gets hit off the route, catches it off the
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 13: bigger Tips rills it into the Patriots to go fast.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: Now some hesitation. Kausiki started off the far side line
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: for the Patriots. He's called back.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 10: No sign of the field goal unit here with a
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 10: fourth down and a long three coming up.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: The ball on the right hatch of the Eagles seventeen.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 10: The already one for once tells you a goal looking
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 10: for poet chair Elliott to the right of Joe. Three
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 10: receivers dispersed Wye to the left, one receiver to the
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 10: right to snap to Matt Jones back in the pocket,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 10: rolling try to keep.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: The play alive.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 10: He's hit Clo with the ball incomplete to the right
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 10: flat for Zee. Gilliot just reddit got to the quarterback.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: Kendrick Horn was there and the Patriots will turn it
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: over on downs. Horne was there, Mac couldn't find.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 10: Him still snap to herts Playfa dropping back pressured by
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 10: Gonzalins fins down Kid a sack for the rookie. He
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 10: came on the corner blitz and dropped bass in the
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 10: forty eight streaky corner blitz. This is an opportunity for
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 10: the Eagles placekicker, the veteran Jake Elliott, who followed Stephen
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 10: Gostkowski at Memphis down his seventh season.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: To make it a two score game.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 10: Going to be a fifty one yard try from an
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 10: air hash Lovado's staff handled by Sipos. The kick is
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 10: lifted to the uprights right down the middle to make
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 10: it twenty five fourteen. Max Netson throws to this.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: Head by board, his second puts down of the day.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: On the headline is he cuts down.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 14: With a throw by Joe.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: Told you this kick could be a weapon. Don't tell
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: me Mac Jones can't throw seeds. Matt Jones trying to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: catch his breath.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 10: With Henry, Smith, Schuster and Born spread out light side left,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 10: Kasiki along with Booty to the right.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: The snap is back on the twelve. Mac goes into
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: the end zone.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 10: It's going to be dropped, nearly intercepted at the goal line.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 10: They had Hunter, Henry and Gisiki along with Smith Schuster
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 10: all in.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: The same vicinity. You gotta careful there too, because that's
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: the kind of play that can be returned.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 6: For a score from Philadelphia.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 13: They had like a fluster route there, because there's no
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 13: way that both guys end up in the same spot.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: One's supposed to continue, the other one supposed to undercut it.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 10: After Hurts, he's going to run through the left side,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 10: a gaping hole, and he's.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: Gonzala. The Patriots have it a fumble recovery at the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: twenty one.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 15: What a the call?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: What are you doing?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 10: And now fourth down and twelve of the Patriots after
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 10: the fumble forced out Hurts two twenty four to go,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 10: twenty five twenty Cats still have all three timeouts left.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: Plush with the doomnute warning Elliot to the right at Jones,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: Matt takes the steps timeout.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: Tickets kick would a fourth down mom a.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: Late timeout just before the statut we're.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: Good game offense, it's year penalty.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: It's still fourth.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 10: Down, I thought as the back Jets dropped the flag.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 10: Now we see the flag drop to the turp of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 10: the delay game. I thought Philadelphia was calling the timeouts
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 10: at two and so now the Patriots are looking at
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 10: a fourth down.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: At seventeen. Stap his back.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 10: Jones stands in slides right, moves up, throws it right
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 10: Henry there.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 16: Make no, he can't make the catch.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 10: Throw his hands at the thirty five and he likely
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 10: would have been tackled short of the line to gain.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's still not good.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: It's still not good. I mean, you're wor's the fuck
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: you got to get to the sticks or four seventeen
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: you're gonna get to the sticks.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 10: This is the game right here, Philadelphia, twenty five the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 10: Patriots twenty exactly two.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: Minutes to go.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 10: This guy in the backfield of the left of hurts
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 10: one receiver left three to the right wive side of
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 10: the field.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurt leans forward.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 10: Stops the right foot, does the deep knee bet he
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 10: that snap of the line. Hurts again. Now he takes
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 10: the snap, he's looking to throw. A slugging across the
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 10: middle down dive into function by Gunzellas breaks the past
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 10: crow for Smith.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: And the Patriots, with one more opportunity.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 10: Dons the Jones format rush Max Stanzi In throws it
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: left for.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: Foot on it pitch batl over in their sideline.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: What they say, he's in bounds?
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: Hey, perfect throwing on target. Hend On time to get
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: up and get a play, let's go get up and snapping.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: Eagles are out of time out.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 10: But remember reviews initiated from Tabooth, So I don't think
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 10: that left book got in bound.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: And that's the second time in the field.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 10: Of a complete at pask is under further reviews. The
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 10: second time today is that the young receiver, the rookie
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 10: from LSU, has been unable to get that second foot down.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 8: The receiver did not get the second foot in bounds.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 13: The pass is incomplete, it's a turnover on downs, it's
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 13: first down.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 10: Philadelphia victory formation, Hurts takes the stats, drops to the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 10: right knee, and the final twenty four seconds will elapse.
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  Speaker 10: In this season opener, and the defending NFC champions survived
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  Speaker 10: as the Patriots stumbled out of the game, fell behind.
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  Speaker 5: Sixteen nothing, staged a late rally, gave.
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  Speaker 10: Themselves various opportunities to overtake the Eagles.
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  Speaker 5: In the second half, and again they come up short.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I saw a lot of things live. I
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  Speaker 3: That's the NFL quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Rick and Dallas says, I watched the game on Sunday
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  Speaker 1: and walked away feeling good. There they held on all
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: game with one of the best teams in the league.
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  Speaker 1: I went to work yesterday and proudly defended my team
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: and how optimistic I felt as the season progresses. I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: even came up with a scenario where the Patriots could
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  Speaker 1: actually be in first place by week three. I excitedly
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  Speaker 1: clicked on the Patriots app at eleven am my time,
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to another great episode of Patriots Unfiltered. Reality
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  Speaker 1: is no fun. I get that everything is saying is accurate.
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  Speaker 1: I even get that the insights are probably correct, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep living in my fantasy world. Everything
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  Speaker 1: is fine. The defense looked great. The offense looked improved.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be a good season. If I
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: keep saying it with my eyes shut, eventually it'll be
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  Speaker 1: true good.
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  Speaker 8: I think that that both things can be true. The
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  Speaker 8: defense did look great. I thought the defense looked great.
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  Speaker 8: The offense did look better. I just think it's back
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  Speaker 8: to Paul's point of just consistency and just overall ceiling, like,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: like is better? Can you do this for more than
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 8: just one quarter like offensively?
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  Speaker 6: And that's to me what you know, I would pump
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  Speaker 6: the brakes from the defense. The offense was disimprovement. I mean,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: did it look better at times, Yeah, But I think
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  Speaker 6: overall it was very similar to what we saw a
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  Speaker 6: lot of times last year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I mean, for me, I
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  Speaker 3: think you can tell that they are all kind of
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  Speaker 3: more on the same page. Now, Like execution wasn't there?
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  Speaker 6: You like it better? So and they throw a touchdown
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  Speaker 6: pass when two guys are standing in the same spot.
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  Speaker 6: Matt Patricia didn't call the play, I don't know, and
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  Speaker 6: that's what happened. But that's like the two guys in
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: the same spot.
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  Speaker 3: I know, but that's just become like I feel like
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  Speaker 3: that's a talk radio buzz thing of like two guys
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  Speaker 3: are too close to each other, Like I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what the route spacing is in front of you.
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  Speaker 8: No, No, I agree with you to an extent that
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  Speaker 8: the spacing thing does get overblown a little bit. They
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  Speaker 8: actually ran the same exact playout to the other side
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  Speaker 8: on Kendrick Bourne's touchdown later in the game and the
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  Speaker 8: two receivers ended up in the same spot again. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: So I don't know if that's just the design of
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  Speaker 8: the growing.
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  Speaker 3: Growing pains in a functional offense versus nobody has any
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: idea what they're doing and everyone's just kind of freelancing,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Like that's where I see the difference. Like
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 8: They're oute running with the spacing and all of the
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  Speaker 8: was significantly better than last year. Like I look at
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  Speaker 8: the Kendrick Bourne's first touchdown, That entire play was the scheme,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: the bunch formation, the way the routes were run, the
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  Speaker 8: timing of it, like all of that was the spacing,
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  Speaker 8: Like that was pretty like that was a lot better
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  Speaker 8: than anything they've put on film last year.
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  Speaker 1: Andy in Cleveland says Paul if I heard him right,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Belichick meant to imply they were six
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  Speaker 1: minutes on the clock when he went for it. I
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  Speaker 1: think he means he went for it because he didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize at the time that the Eagles were going to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: give us more chances with six minutes left. Unless he
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: literally meant what I'm saying. But Slyly said it weird,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: so some people might forget the situation and think he
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  Speaker 1: meant your version.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that people have tried to make that
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: argument that you just made. I do not think that
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  Speaker 6: that's what he meant. I think he was trying to
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: sort of downplay it.
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  Speaker 1: Becka and Walpole, I don't understand the negativity about the offense.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Two horrible mistakes in awful weather. They were dead, but
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: clawed back and had an opportunity to win if Bill
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: took a field goal. Last year, they lost a lot
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  Speaker 1: of winnable games and were there at the end to
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  Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. People seem to forget at the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Vikings game, which was another winnable game. They did all
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: of this with a defensive coordinator calling the shots. They
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  Speaker 1: have better offensive weapons, especially if they use the weapons
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: they just chose to ignore last year in a capable coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: I think people are really counting them out when they
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be. I listened to both Jets and Bill's local
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: radio this morning, both saying it's a two horse race
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: in the East. Nobody is even considering the Patriots, which
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I think is a mistake. Defense is great too. I'm
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: ordering my key on white Jersey.
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  Speaker 5: Huh. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: It is a two horse race, but it's the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: and the Miami Dolphins.
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  Speaker 8: For the wants us to respond to that one. There's
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  Speaker 8: the beginning part of the email. I don't remember exactly
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  Speaker 8: what was said, but I just I don't know. I
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  Speaker 8: guess I just don't share in the optimism because for some.
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  Speaker 6: Reason, everybody is fixating on the two turnovers and they're
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: forgetting the numerous three and outs, right, Like, who do
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: you think played better offensively on Sunday? The Eagles are
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: the Patriots?
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  Speaker 8: Eagles?
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  Speaker 6: Who do you think play better offensively? Offensively?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 8: I think the Patriots might have played better.
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  Speaker 6: I think the Patriots played better too. Do you think
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: the Patriots played better than the Eagles. Who do you
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: think hunted more?
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  Speaker 8: Probably the Patriots. Yeah, yeah, Well, it's also like the
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  Speaker 8: last two drives have to matter too, right, like, and
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 8: the first five half to matter too.
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  Speaker 4: Like.
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  Speaker 6: They had a great and I don't mean good. They
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: had a great stretch in the last half of the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: second quarter where they went boom boom and it was
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: like wow, I think, except when they did nothing the
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  Speaker 6: remainder of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if the offense played great, they would have won
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  Speaker 1: the game. It obviously didn't play great, but I just
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  Speaker 1: saw signs of improvement. I'm encouraged.
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  Speaker 6: That's fine. That I think is a very balanced way
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  Speaker 6: of looking at it. Yeah, this improved weapons. When the
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  Speaker 6: guy you let go had nine for eighty one and
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: two touchdowns to get replaced by I think this might
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: be a good time to serve up Evan by Juju
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: Smith Schuster like.
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  Speaker 4: I also think this show is called Patriots Unfiltered, and
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: if you wanted fluff, it would be called Patriots Fluff filtered,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: but it's not. It's unfiltered, and so therefore I think
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: that people are everyone's entitled to their own opinions.
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  Speaker 1: In this time of transition. With this franchise. We owe
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: it to fans to be honest what we honestly.
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  Speaker 6: Feel, and I would say that I honestly feel there
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: were a lot of things to be encouraged about offensively
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  Speaker 6: on Sunday. I do I honestly feel that. However, don't
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  Speaker 6: use last year and put the bar down there as
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: your barometer. Use the NFL as a barometer. Did they
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: play good offense for the NFL?
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  Speaker 1: Probably not, Kyle and Pembroke, Evan, the optimism comes from
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: our QB throwing three hundred yards and three touchdowns on
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: the rare day. On the rare day, our running game
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: was shut down. Can you say in good confidence that
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Stevenson will constantly be held to two yards to carry?
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  Speaker 1: Can you say in good confidence that you don't think
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: the offense will continue to improve under O'Brien as it
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: gets more time.
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  Speaker 6: Can you say in confidence that mac Jones will only
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: turn it over once and throwing the ball fifty four
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 6: times and it.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Continues to get healthier. I usually like your takes, but
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: this Debbie Downer stuff is rare for you.
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  Speaker 8: I don't I don't even think. I don't even think
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  Speaker 8: what Evan said was being.
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  Speaker 6: Like we're wondering where the static was.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I got it.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: I think Evan's being real. I mean, this offense, if
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: it keeps going down this road, could end up being
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: really predictable by week six. So I think that Evan
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: is just you know, prepared everyone for what could potentially come.
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  Speaker 8: I just I you can take your your three hundred
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 8: yards and do you know what with it? Because it
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 8: means nothing. It means nothing. How many points did they score?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 8: What did they do when it mattered most? Those are
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 8: the two things that mattered to me. How he could
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: throw for five hundred yards and it wouldn't matter to
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 8: me if he had two chances to win the game
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 8: in the end failed both time.
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  Speaker 6: What do you think the zeitgeist? Because I know you
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  Speaker 6: like to listen to the zeitgeist. Thanks the New England
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 6: zeitgeist thinks.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Of tour overrated?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 8: He threw for four.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: Hundred and sixty six yards and three touchdowns. I know,
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  Speaker 6: so you think he stinks. When I say you, I
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  Speaker 6: don't mean Fred, I mean the zeitgeist. They think two
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: of stinks. He threw for four to sixty six and
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: lady last minute touchdown drive to win a game with
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: thirty six points and you think he stinks. But I'm
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: supposed to just stop everything because Mac threw for three
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: hundred yards and scored twenty points and lost Bennett Brooklyn
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: right trying to die.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: I was at the Zinci game, and some folks are
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: comparing Sunday's loss to that, in that the Patriots were
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: right there but couldn't get the job done. I see
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: it differently. If you made a list of all the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: issues we've had in recent years, can't stop mobile quarterback,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: can't limit elite receivers, lack of sideline to sideline speed,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: no pass rush, complete lack of organization on offense, no
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: pass rush last year, born in the dodge house, no
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: tight end production, questions about the old line. It seems
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: like we've made progress in most of these areas. The
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: game also reminded me of some of those early Bledsoell games.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Far from perfect, but you could see the start of something.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: This is not the start.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 8: So if you just replace Bloodsoee Mac with Tom Brady and.
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  Speaker 1: It's the start, it's a new start. I think think
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: after last year it's a new start.
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  Speaker 6: Well, then you're gonna have to do it with a
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: whole new cast. Of characters because you're gonna lose a
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 6: lot of these pieces Fred right, I know, but.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: It's a new start in that, like it's a real offense.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: Henry Bourne KASICKI Trent Brown. When you you have a
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: chance to lose half your offense, like this is this
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: should be the where you want to be, not where
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: you're going.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Should be, but it isn't. So we have to show
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: with what we have, no I know.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: So you try to make the best of it. But
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 6: like this whole like new beginning thing is not accurate.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: It's a new beginning.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: They have like twenty something pending free agents.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 8: Okay, but we're also in year three of Mac Jones
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 8: being the quarterback of the offense. And like the silver
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 8: linings in the in the oh, well they were close
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 8: or oh they you know, they did some things well,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 8: like at some point those that has to I mean,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 8: the victories are getting old.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna pop over to the defense though, and I
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: feel really good about the defense. I feel like this
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: is a little bit of a new beginning. I think
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: with Christian Barmore kind of elevating playing early down snaps.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: We all saw what key On White did, which was
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: just kind of an appetizer. I feel like for what
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: he's going to be able to do. You know, I
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: just think Christians also, those are these are the kind
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: of players that you need to build an elite defense.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: And these are three rookies that all got in there
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: right out from the get go. So you know, you're
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: seeing the older defensive lineman, which I think skew some
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: of what we talk about with those guys are kind
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: of pulling back a little bit. Certainly Gotschaw still in
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: the middle of it, but you know, you're starting to
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: see key on White, You're starting to see more Julyani Tavai,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: who I like as a player. So I I think,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: I think, you know you don't like them.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: I don't, but I can't do it. Is a promising guy.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 6: I definitely agree with that. I would absolutely and this
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: is my whole thing on the defense. This is what
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: I just wrote about two for this morning. This is
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 6: the part that I would agree with. All the optimism
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: with the fans is like people said, like someone I
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: think just wrote in and said it was similar to
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: the Cincinnati game, And I don't think this had anything
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: like the Cincinnati game except for the way it ended.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: They got dominated for sixty minutes by the Bengals, and
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: the Bengals just kept handing them opportunities to do things
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: picks like the offense couldn't do a thing. It was
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: four hundred and twenty some odd yards of offense to
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: two hundred. It was twenty eight first down Like the
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: Bengals completely controlled the game, but they kept making mistakes
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: that allowed the Patriots tot That's not what happened on Sunday.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: The Patriots controlled the Eagles offense for sixty minutes. That
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: to me is a huge difference. I haven't seen that.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: I haven't seen that since Brady left.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: It's a really good defense. I beat Lane Johnson twice
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 8: and that is the best right tackle in football. So
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 8: the fact that he was able to beat.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: I think you could say he was you know what
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: what I what stood out to me?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: It's just his athleticism.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: When he has the star, change direction and chase a guy.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: He can move for a big dude, and that jumps
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: out to me.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 15: What he so?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: I just what do they got planned for him? I
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: asked Mayo a little bit about him today, but I
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: I just think I don't want to say the sky's
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: the limit, But I think he could be a very
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: very good.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 8: Time that player where he puts my lot on skates,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 8: walks him right back into Hurts. Then Hurts breaks the
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 8: pocket and he just puts his foot in the ground
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 8: and chases him into the sideline. And I was like, whoa,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 8: Like that's that's a freak like that. You can't do that.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 6: With the tackling, The tackling was really really good, especially
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: for early season.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Bill Bill mentioned that too, he was pleased
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: with the tackling.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Pat Naguam says, I value and respect all of your opinions,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: but Evan, I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: this offense having to have everything perfect in order for
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: it to be effective. How about they just don't dig
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: themselves into a big hole that they can't get out of.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Mac was right after the game.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: How many times are you going to date? Not date?
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: Like that's the definition of perfect right.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: Also, the thing is is that stuff happens in sports.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 8: You make mistakes, you fall behind, you give up a
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 8: pick six, you go three and out for the first
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 8: like this. That's that's football. And if you have a
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 8: team that can only play from ahead when things are
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 8: going well for you, and the game script follows a
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 8: certain script, and that's the only way that you can win.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 8: And that's problematic, Like you have to be able to
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: overcome mistakes, and I feel like we always just forget
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 8: that over twenty years, we think that everything was just
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 8: perfect all the time. They overcame mistakes. Brady would throw
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 8: picks and they would overcome it.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty to three. Are there other teams like this in
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: the NFL? Like we've been kind of watching the same script.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: We've been talking about for a couple of years now,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: that the Patriots are a good team that beats the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: bad teams. They play a good team and things don't
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: go right, they struggle. I'm I can't, off the top
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: of my head, really think of another NFL team that
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: kind of plays that way. Like I don't know, just
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: it's it seems like such a kind of unique thing
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: to them.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 6: May average teams, I think there are a lot of them.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of average teams in the league.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: That's probably the biggest chunk of.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: Because they're just inconsistent and they play good in one
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: week and they don't play good the other week, and
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: you know, like it's like, because I think the Patriots
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: are a well coached team. I think that teams around
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: the league respect them. But you know, it's like you're
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: hearing all the Eagles say all this thing's like that's
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: a great defense, that's a great you know. I'm like, well,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: why can't they beat the good teams? Then, you know,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: like that's that's what the hang up is.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would look at the you know stuff,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: the perfect like you know, the guy says, you know,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: he takes issue with Evan saying that everything has to
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: be perfect, and then he says, you know, if they
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: didn't make the mistakes at the beginning, that's Evan's point
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 6: is everything needs to be perfect because if they make
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: a mistake or two, they can't overcome it. And I'm sorry,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: Oh and twelve when you allowed twenty five or more
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: points is what it is. That's a fact. That's not
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: a lot of points in the NFL twenty five.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the phones. We'll go to Christian
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: and dare is this Chris with a T, I A N. Yes,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: it is, okay? What's up?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 14: I was? Uh, I was, I was feeling pretty good
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 14: after Sunday and then I listened to the first ninety minutes.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: Of the show.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: I know so much.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Now I brought the energy in the postgame show.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: Yes it is.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 14: I just I mean, I think Evan, you know, you're
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 14: talking about where's the optimism coming from, just because we're
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 14: so starved from what we saw last year on offense.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 14: And Fred repeatedly came on the show and said, what
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 14: we're watching is not an NFL offense. And you look
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 14: at Billy Oh, and you know that that's the guy
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 14: that's done it. And this hope there, and I think
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 14: that's what we're all latching onto, is that the hope
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 14: of getting better. And I'm with you, I don't care
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 14: that max group of three hundred plus yards, Like you know,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 14: the start of the game, you had those three drives.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 14: I think they went three plays and they had three
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 14: drives in a row. They had three plays and they
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 14: barely got like eleven or twelve yards or something total.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 14: So like that's frustrating positively for me. A lot of
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 14: the rookie plays, A lot of the rookies play, which
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 14: I loved. The offensive line. I don't think anybody saw
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 14: them going box to wire playing all eighty snaps so
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 14: like I come out of that feeling pretty good. That's
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 14: where and the defense obviously too, like like Paul said,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 14: the defense hasn't made those types of stops when they
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 14: needed to in years, really going all the way back
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 14: probably to like this, the last super.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 16: Bowl they won.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 14: So I think this room for improvement. And I feel
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 14: a little bit better than I did, not necessarily the
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 14: seven to eight win, but maybe close to the nine
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 14: or ten, if you know, they just start to gell
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 14: And that's that's where I'm coming from on it. And Fred,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 14: can I say something about the halftime ceremony?
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 14: I wept like a baby when he said a Patriot
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 14: for life. I'm not going to lie. Who was Niagara
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 14: Falls with a seminar hold.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 10: I loved it.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 14: I was hoping though, that there was going to be
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 14: more of an announcement of like whether it was a
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 14: Jersey retirement or like that they were going to have
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 14: like an announcement that they're going to put like the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 14: statue of like the size of the Statue of Liberty
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 14: out in front of.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 15: The lighthouse or something.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 14: I hope for a little bit more like that. And
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 14: I know you only at thirteen minutes, like you said,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 14: you got to get the stage off and on the
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 14: field all that stuff post game. But I kind of
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 14: was just hoping for a little more. And I know
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 14: there's going to be the ceremony on the twelfth of June,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 14: but I was kind of hoping for a little bit more.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: I just don't think they know, like beyond having this
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: event on the twelve, I don't think they know what
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: and putting him into the Hall of Fame. They don't
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: know what they want to do, whether it's a statue
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: or you know, all that stuff. They don't want to
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: retire his number because I know they want to get
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: rid of those There's too many people with retired numbers
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: that shouldn't have their numbers retired on this team, so
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: that whole tradition. I think they want to get rid
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: of that instead of extending it. But in terms of
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: what they want to do, that's I don't think they
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: know yet.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: We're gonna have a brainstorm about that.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: We might yeah we should, thought, yeah we should.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 8: I appreciated Christian laying out where the optimism comes from,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 8: because I think some people just say, well I'm optimistic,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 8: and it's like why.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: And that's fine, Like and That's how I was in
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: the post game show. Right to be fair, I mean,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: I thought there was more to be optimistic about Sunday
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: than the other.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: I went into this game and I didn't think that
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: I was going to see Mac throw for three touchdowns.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 6: But why, like you've never seen that?
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Because because I didn't think they'd be ready for that yet.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't think the offense would come out and be
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: able to.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 10: Do that yet.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: I feel especially.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 6: Like, but I just like the bar is so incredibly low.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 6: You didn't expect them to be able to score three touchdowns.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 6: I don't understand that they score so they had to
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 6: be throws. You to be encouraged, Yeah, I think like
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: it wouldn't be encouraging if ro mondra Stevenson at three
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 6: one yard touchdown runs.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: No, but this season, this season, I don't get it.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: This season is predicated on the play of Matt Jones offensively.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: The fact that he comes out in the first game
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: and throws for three touchdowns to me, is encouraging.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: It's it's encouraged to be more encouraging if they if
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 6: they scored thirty five points and he threw fifteen Okay,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 6: that's all I'm.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Saying I didn't expect that either.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 6: Again, this is a new start for this offense in
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: my opinion, Okay, I just don't see it that way.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: It's I think it'd be encouraging if Mac was a rookie,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: but he's not, and it's year three, and like, we
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: really need to see.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 8: Improvement at this point.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: But was last night a last year and patting the
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: Patriots on the back for having an offensive coordinator, having
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: an offensive coordinator and running an actual offense or an offense?
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: So last year when I went nine for three to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: eighty two and three touchdowns, that was a last year
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 6: because a defensive coordinator was calling the plays.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Oh but it wasn't.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: I don't think it was a last year. I think
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: that he didn't play that well. I don't give him
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: the out that everybody else does. That's different. That's why
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: my bar is not down on the floor, so like
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 6: everybody else's is.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: So you're not blaming Matt Patricia.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: Well I blame Matt Patricia. Sure this we can't have
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: more than one guy at faulton.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: I sure he didn't play well, but it was a
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: lost year in terms of his development.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 6: Right, And according to a lot of people that would
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 6: be the consensus opinion. Do you not mine?
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: No, you think he should have gotten better.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: I think you should have. I think he should have
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: played better than he did. Yes, And I think he
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: showed that in the second half of the year compared
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: to the first half of the year, when he did
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 6: play better than he did. He did improve down the stretch.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 6: And I know no one wants to hear that because
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: that's not fitting with the narrative. But if you look
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: at the second half of the year, his numbers were
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: light years better than they were in the first half.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 8: I think that you can improve individually without the results
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 8: actually being better. And what I wanted to see was
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 8: Mac take last year as that learning experience of what
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 8: did go wrong and what did go right and what
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 8: he does need to work on, and then just do
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 8: it now in a much better offense. Like I'll give
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 8: them on Sunday that the film is so much cleaner
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 8: than it was last year in terms of just the
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 8: overall operation of the offense, the route running, the spacing,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 8: the timing, like all the little intricate details that I
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 8: nerd out about, Like all that stuff was so much
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 8: better than last year. You can just tell that when
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 8: they say to break this route off at twelve yards,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 8: they don't let guys get away with breaking it off
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 8: at ten anymore. Like we said twelve, So break it
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 8: off at twelve. And that's happening again, which is positive.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 8: But I just think it comes back to at the
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 8: end of the day, do they have enough talent, Like,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 8: do they have the talent to do more than just
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 8: run the scheme and make it look like a presentable
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 8: NFL offense? Like to Paul's point, that's that's on the
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 8: floor that bar up.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: It may not, they may not, but I'm just talking
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: about Mac. Right. I didn't think I come into this game,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: I thought the offense would struggle, you know, and it
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: did in the first half, but it.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: Got better in the second half, you know, and he
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: scored six points in the second half.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: I just I just thought that Mac.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: I'm just giving you the fact.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought Mac looked better.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, it took over twice at the other team's
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: forty yard line with the game on the line and
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: couldn't score.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: It proved as the game went on, but they were
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: in a tough position. They put themselves in a tough position,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: and they were always chasing.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: And so my point is if we just keep saying
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 6: he got better as the game went on and ignored
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: the fact that his best play was in the second quarter,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: then what are we doing.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: Well, it's week one.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: I didn't say he played badly. I said on Sunday
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: when we talked about in the postgame show, Mac was
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: the least of your problems in this game. You didn't
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: lose this game because of Mac Jones, but you also
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 6: didn't win it because of Mac Jones. And he didn't
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: do what he needed to do. And to say that
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 6: he got better as the game went on is not accurate.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: They scored six points in the second half, despite taking
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: over and plus territory twice. They scored six points.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and that was because of his play.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: I didn't say it was because of his play. I'm
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: talking about the offense context. Okay, Well, on fourth down
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 6: he couldn't complete passes. That's the context. So if you
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: want to put that on Mac Jones, put it on
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 6: Mac Jones. The ball was right there, and people's not
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 6: on fourth and three, it wasn't.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the long fourth down that was born
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: down the middle.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 6: That was third down.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 8: Okay, but you know that was a good throw.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: It was that it was a good throw to Booty.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 8: He made three really good throws, you know, like.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: Sometimes you're who who whoa who WHOA? Have him repeat
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: that what.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 8: He made three really good throws in the game, and
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 8: that's one of them.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, only three good throws.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, made three good throws.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, the quote including the touchdowns.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 8: The touchdown of Kendrick Bourne was a good throw. The
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 8: touchdown to Hunter Henry was a good throw. And throw
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 8: you just mentioned was throw. No other good throws, all
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 8: other throws, all the other throws were throws at every
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 8: quarterback in the league and make it. Okay it terms
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 8: of like those I'm not taking it that far, those
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 8: those high level like wow, big PFF calls them big
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 8: time throws, whatever you want to call him. PFF gave
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 8: him four he gave They gave him the to Mario
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 8: Douglas corner route too. They like that was BTT big
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 8: time throw. So he had four big time throws in
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 8: this game. But not just my migrating by their grading
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 8: as well, that means all the other completions that he
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 8: had in this game. They feel like every starting quarterback
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 8: in the league makes So I'm just telling you he
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 8: made them. Yeah, that's what I'm not holding it against.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: So now we're now style points. Now, now we're now
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: we're you know, giving him no lower marks because they
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: weren't big time throw.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: I'm not giving him lower marks because I'm giving the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: lower MUCKs because they didn't score points. Yeah, I'm really
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 6: I'm really tricky with that. If they scored a lot
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: of points, I usually give the offense credit and that's fine.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: But listen again, I I think that there's enough to
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: build on here.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: I would agree, So I would agree, But I don't
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: think that they showed this t mendous improvement. They were better.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, again putting words in my mouth. Did I ever
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: say tremendous improvement?
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: I think you did?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: No, I didn't, Okay, I never did. Well, what you
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 6: phrase it the way you want to phrase it.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: I said I was encouraged. I think there's things to
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: build on it.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 6: You also said he got better as the game went on.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah I didn't.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: I do I think he got more confidence? I think, yeah,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: I absolutely do. I think that he's got to have help.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: You know, Booty's gonna make that catch. What's going to
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: make that catch? You know you can't. You know our
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: quarterback can't throw it and catch it all by him?
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 6: Does Hunter Henry have to make that catch on fourth
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: and eight? Those are the kind of things you need, exactly.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 6: It's a great catch when you don't have the guy.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: Those are the kinds of things you need, you need
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: sometimes you're going to get them. On once, Hunter Henry
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: did it on down.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: The greatest quarterback in the ever needed that once in
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: a while too.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but they would think they need it to win games.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 8: You would think that they're gonna lose if they don't
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: get those plays. And Hunter Henry made one of them
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 8: and extended a drive. And then when they had the
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 8: next fourth down and they needed that, he could think.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Even I think even Tom Brady had some help once
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: in a while from his from his receivers.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 8: Very very similar guys, but they have very similar similar
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 8: The head coach here seems to ignore the fact that
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 8: that Rob Gronkowski used to play for this football team
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 8: like that, that's that to me is like I treat
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 8: I try to treat it as two different things, like
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 8: that's like an offseason topic to me, of like the
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 8: team building and that sort of aspect where I'm as
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 8: for this game. I'm just like grating the film of
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 8: this particular game. But you can make that argument that
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 8: I and I would make it with you, Like the
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 8: fact of the matter is that they didn't do enough
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 8: to put enough talent around him. Now, is that because
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 8: Max is not good enough to elevate the talent? Probably,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 8: but that you still have to you have to call
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 8: a spade a spade. And if you think that mac
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 8: Jones is gonna make Hunter Henry and Kendrick Bourne and
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 8: Kaishawan Boody and all these guys that they have out
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 8: there elevate them to this level, then you're lying to yourself. No,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 8: I know, I'm just saying that that's how they built
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 8: the roster. They the roster thinking that the quarterback was
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 8: going to be able to do enough with the weapons
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 8: that they put around him. And the weapons aren't good
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 8: enough for this quarterback. I think for some quarterbacks they
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 8: might be, but for this quarterback in particular, it's not
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 8: be nice.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: If half of them were playing, you know, well maybe
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: no one could talk about Juju.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: Half we can didn't play.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 8: It's not gonna be People are getting on me for
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 8: being negative. It's not going to be positive.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: And I think like part of this part of this
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: fread was like last week we were all saying, like
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: we have hope.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 8: We you know that if you can't be positive right now.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: When can you a round pick?
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: Fred, come on, well, he hasn't played. He's supposed to
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: be the guy.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 6: This is the guy that people wanted to cut because
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: they like to Mario Douglas. Now you missed him on side.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 8: The bottom line, in fact.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Is he had a second round pick. Who who's not
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: playing to.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: Mario dollars Ago.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 8: How many snaps can you give to Mario Douglas Because
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 8: there is not a number that is too many. He
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 8: needs to be on the field for I think those
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: I think they will seventy five plus. I think they
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 8: have to be because he's Douglas and Born are the
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 8: two guys that are dynamic. They're the two guys that
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 8: run dynamic routes, that are good with the ball in
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 8: their hands. You know, they're though, two guys that are
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 8: quote unquote explosive in your offense. The guy that you
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 8: signed from Kansas City and free agency does not qualify.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 8: So if by the end of the year, Douglas is
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 8: ready to take on more and more and more as
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 8: the year progresses. I would play with Pop Douglas over
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 8: Juju right now, So I would.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 6: We can move on from one of our typical Paul
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: Fred semantic arguments and go to what to make of
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 6: Juju's lack of usage? You know, once that fourth bound
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 6: play happened, the fourth and three with ten minutes to go,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: not six. From that point on, he didn't play a
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: whole lot. What do you make What do you guys
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 6: make of that?
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: It's a good question.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: I haven't I mean, look we said coming in, I
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: haven't been impressed with him just I mean, he didn't
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: really practice at all, right in ot As. We never
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: saw him in ot As. We finally got to see
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: him in training camp. Never really looked explosive, kind of
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: reserve judgment because felt like he's a tackle breaker, he's
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: a guy real football, he'll show up. I was discovered.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Doesn't it start with the reports about his knee?
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, and that's what that's what I wonder. I
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: wonder is he injured or is he washed?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 6: He certainly looks to me like he's he's injured, like
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 6: but you know, he doesn't run well, get better later
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: on in the season, injured or this is what.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: Are they monitoring him?
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 11: You know?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: But if they're monitoring him, then I would think that
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: you'd save him for the end, you know, Like it
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: seems the opposite, Like they couldn't use him at the.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 8: End if he if he was like if his route
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 8: running was good and his hands were good, the fact
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 8: that he doesn't have the burst that he used to
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: have wouldn't be that concerning. But the the part that
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 8: was most concerning to me in this game was I
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 8: don't think he was really running the right route all
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 8: the time. And so on the fourth down play, a
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 8: third down play at the beginning of the game where
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 8: he the ball went through his hands. Everybody and myself
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 8: included to watch that play and was like, you know,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 8: Mac short armed it right, Like there wasn't enough velocity
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: on the ball.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: He did a little, but it's still was catchable.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 8: It was the wrong route. Yeah, I think I don't
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 8: know that for a fact. It's just a theory. But
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 8: when you watch the play, the corner is sitting outside
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 8: of Juju, and I think Mac is expecting him to
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 8: return back into the middle of the field and cut
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 8: back inside when he makes that cut, and Juju can
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 8: continue to cut outside. And you look at the reason.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 8: I think it was partial because he dropped it, but
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 8: also because Bill O'Brien on the sideline after the play
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 8: looks disgusted, like throws his hands like this and just
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 8: made him play and and just walks away.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: And that could be. That could be why it could
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: be more less the knee and more he's not on
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 8: Page, right, And then on the fourth and three play, okay,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 8: so different play, Okay, that was this was early a
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 8: third down early in the game. That with the ball, Yeah,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 8: fourth down play late in the game. They put him
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 8: in the weak spot in their empty formation, which is
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 8: it might not have been empty, but they put him
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 8: in their week spot, which is the playmaker spot. That's
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 8: that's the spot. We're gonna get you a matchup. You're
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 8: gonna go one on one against somebody, and we're gonna
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 8: expect you to win the route. And Juju was in
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 8: that spot and he ran a lazy route. You just
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 8: didn't make a move off the line of scrimmage, didn't
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 8: really do anything to get open, and Mac had to
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 8: hold the ball. And that's when the play broke down
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 8: and we have the whole thing. I really was concerned
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 8: about this film for Juju. I mean, he caught a
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 8: pass it in the flat and he had one on
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 8: one with some space and just got tackles like that.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 8: You know, he tried to make a move and just
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 8: couldn't go around the guy. I'm not ready to write
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 8: it off because it's one game, but this was concern.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: I gotta, I mean, I gotta not give Paul a
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: little not because I felt like, you know, when they
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: traded him, when they're not traded him, when they got
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: him and let Meers walk, you know, initially it felt like,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: all right, he's got a little bit, a little bit
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: more juice than my It's like, how can you swap
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: somebody from Myers and somehow you got slower? Like I
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: don't know, I really don't know if this is like
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: salvageable with him, if he's going to get better and
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: it'll start to come on, but like mental mistakes, health issues,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 6: I was just looking and listen, Evan's right, it's one game,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 6: so I'm not taking any victory lat But what I
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: my feeling was they had virtually the identical stats. I
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: think I want to say it was twelve point three
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 6: per catch. They both a twelve yards per catch, and
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 6: somehow Jujus were considered to be far more impressive because
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 6: he averaged more after the catch, which is great if
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 6: they're both averaging twelve yards per air and then Myers
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 6: is going down and Juju's getting ten more yards. But
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 6: if they're averaging the same amount every time they catch
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 6: the pass, why does anybody care if you're just catching
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: it and getting tackled, or catching it three yards from
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage and running nine yards, if it's
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 6: resulting in a twelve yard game on average. I didn't
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 6: know thought it was that.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 8: Bill O'Brien is a yak coordinator, right, Like he's the
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 8: guy that sets up the yak and they you thought
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 8: that he was going to be like a catch and
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 8: run player. But I'll say this for Jacoby, who I
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 8: was in favor of signing Juju over Jacoby, I was
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 8: that fourth and three, Jacoby gets open. Yep, Jacoby gets open,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 8: like because it's not they're not asking him to create
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 8: this like sixty yard explosive play down the field. They're
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 8: asking him to.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: Get four yards. Yeah, and Jacoby makes a move and
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 6: gets open. And in terms of that kind of player, I,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 6: you know, since the second year in the league, I've
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: never you know, and that's when he got the really
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 6: bad knee injury. After that year he had like one
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 6: hundred and some odd catches for like fourteen hundred yards.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 6: He hasn't been that kind of an explosive guy since
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 6: he came back from that knee injury. And that's not
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: just like two years ago. We're going back five years now.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 6: In that offense last year in Kansas City, with Mahomes
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 6: twelve yards to catch is what it was, he had
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 6: a lot more space to work with. And I just
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 6: feel like he's not an explosive player anymore. And I
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 6: didn't think he was an explosive player last year where
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 6: I saw it.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 6: I'm not trying to tell you that I think Myers is.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 6: I don't think he is either. But again, I am
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 6: not necessarily more impressed by a guy who catches screens
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: and runs twelve yards as opposed to a guy who
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 6: catches a pass that goes twelve yards.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: All right, let's quickly hit on these phone calls before
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: the end of the show. David's in New York. What's up, David? Hey, guys, good,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: Thanks for holding on. All right, So I got a.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 17: Couple bones to pick here, respectfully, with having and Paul.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 17: Who should I go for first?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: You can lump him in together.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you can go to me.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: We're pretty negative, pod go ahead.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: I think Evansky more pessimistic than I am.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 8: Probably I grew up with Brady.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 9: Since you were.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 17: Since you're keeping receipts here today for arguments, I have
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 17: to bring up something that you said in the postgame show. Okay,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 17: on Sunday, you had a response to people saying that
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 17: they've seen this movie play out in regards to the
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 17: final drive, you know, the Mountain, the comeback, not being
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 17: able to complete it after being down yep, multiple score.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 17: I do remember saying that you said you haven't seen
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 17: that played out.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 6: Not like not like it did on Sunday, was my point. Yes,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: I did say that. I remember.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 17: I don't know though, I disagree a little bit because
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 17: it was kind of like the Dallas game, kind of
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 17: like not the same as the Cincinnati game, kind of
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 17: like the Raiders game, kind of like the Tampa Bay game.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 17: It all seemed like the same sort of ending to me.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're unquestionably right. You're unquestionably right. In terms of
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 6: the way the game ended. Dallas had about five hundred
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: and fifty yards of offense, turned the ball over one
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 6: hundred and ten times, three of them in the end zone.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 6: They should have won the game by about four touchdowns.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 6: Tampa is a different story because it was a torrential rainstorm. Yeah,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: I guess you could say it was kind of similar
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: to this, but I don't think the rain had much
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: of an impact on this game on Sunday. I think
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 6: it did have some impact on the Tampa game, Cincinnati
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: and some of these other games. I didn't feel like
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: the defense played very well. I thought they would flat
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 6: out terrible in that Dallas game from a couple of
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: years ago. I thought the defense was really really bad
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 6: that day. I felt like the defense was excellent on Sunday.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: And that's the part that I you're right. At the
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 6: end of the game, it was very similar Patriots trying
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 6: to get over the hump, falling short, you know, kicking
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 6: ourselves at the end with all the mistakes that we made.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: I get it, that's that's fair. Tampa would be closer.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 6: Tampa would be closer.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 17: Yeah, real quick. For for Evan, I have to say
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 17: I didn't I didn't expect this show from you, Evan
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 17: today because us an explosiveness in big time throws is
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 17: your main argument for why we should not be.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: An hour and a half into the show.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 17: So the the other thing that I heard you say
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 17: that you keep bringing up is you know you'll you'll
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 17: mention a couple of throws that Mac missed or or
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 17: you know you could have thrown better. It'll be like Alan,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 17: Josh Allen would have made that throw er, Josh Allen
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 17: would have made this throw that back. Then it's it's
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 17: kind of contradictory to what kind of quarterback you specifically
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 17: have been preaching that we should have, which is a
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 17: guy who doesn't make mistakes, you know, doesn't turn the
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 17: ball over, and is safe with the football. When we
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 17: just saw proof of what Josh Allen is last night.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's proof of what he is, what he can be.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 8: I mentioned Josh Allen once on the fourth down play
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 8: because I thought that Josh Allen or take any justin
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 8: Herbert Josh Allen Patrick, like, take any quarterback that you
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 8: want that can move a little bit and throw on
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 8: the move and make those second reaction plays. I thought
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 8: that they would have hit Kendrick Bourne on that play.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 6: That that's it.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 8: That's that's all I was saying. But in terms of
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 8: the like big time throws and stuff like that, like
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 8: we were just talking about that, you know, the good
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 8: throws that he made, that's not my main argument. My
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 8: main argument for Mac is again that I feel like
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 8: he has to be so so buttoned up on all
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 8: the details of his game to maximize the physical stuff
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 8: that he doesn't have. And in order to do that,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 8: you are towing a really really thin line where like
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 8: you have to be perfect.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: And you're saying it would you're saying it'd be nice
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: once in a while to have those big plays.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 8: It would also just be It's also just really really
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 8: hard to be as sharp as that is he needs
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 8: to be all the time. And that's why this offense
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 8: to me feels like it's such a roller coaster every
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 8: game is because in order to be as perfect and
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 8: every like pinpoint detail that he needs to be perfect
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 8: in for sixty seventy plays a game like good Luck, Like,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 8: that's a really hard thing to do. I think only
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 8: a couple quarterbacks have really done that and they happen
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 8: to have one for twenty years.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Dave. Let's go to Chad in La.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: What's up, Chad?
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 10: Hey?
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 11: How are you guys?
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 6: Hitch? I?
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 16: Hey, hey, I'm one hundred percent on board with Evan.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 17: I think we are a five hundred team.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 16: I think we're not going to get past thirty points
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 16: unless we get a defensive score. And I go back
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 16: to the clutch conversation you guys had earlier. What's mac
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 16: Jones's identity? When he was drafted, we were sold on
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 16: intelligence and mobility. How has he shown that so far?
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 6: I don't think mobility is I think accuracy, intelligence and accuracy.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 6: I think he has shown that. I think he doesn't
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 6: make a lot of really egregiously bad decisions.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: No, and when it's when he can have some time exaccurate,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: I think he.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 8: Made He's a great decision maker.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: Like that.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 8: I think this film has really not a whole lot
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 8: of like head scratching, like what was where is he
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 8: going with the ball? Like the intent of the throws
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 8: that he made were really good. I just don't always
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 8: think the throws are really good, Like I think that
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 8: sometimes the ball dies on him, especially going into the
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 8: sideline and.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 6: That at least a real hard time outside the number,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 6: unless it's down the field that you know, where it.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 8: Leads to some incompletions or tougher catches or like, you know,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: you keep this guy on his feet instead of making
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 8: him go down to catch the ball. Maybe there's yards
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 8: after the catch available, like stuff like that.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 15: Hey, guys, I'm kind of among the same thing. It's right,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 15: I'm pretty I got, you know, a warm, fuzzy feeling
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 15: by seeing Mac not die in the pocket and actually
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 15: make some throws. But my feeling is that this team
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 15: is the way that the team is being built by
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 15: Bill is he doesn't believe that it's important for the
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 15: players to elevate each other. He believes that the coaching
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 15: is what's supposed to be doing that. And I think
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 15: that's why Brady got so frustrated when his last year's here,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 15: is that Bill just does things his way, and he
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 15: hasn't adapted, and he hasn't involved.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 11: In the game.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 15: He doesn't realize you need playmakers to try to bring
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 15: up your entire team. And he's always been saying, hey,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 15: you know, I got my middle class. Like at my
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 15: middle class, I'm good to going and on offense especially
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  Speaker 15: it doesn't work. And I'm just curious as to what
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  Speaker 15: you guys think, is he going to be able to,
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  Speaker 15: you know, get over the hump? And I don't know
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  Speaker 15: if he'll do it with Mac or if you need
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  Speaker 15: somebody else there, but you know, he just he seems
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  Speaker 15: to think that he can the coaches can make something
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  Speaker 15: happen with whatever they got, and I just feel that
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  Speaker 15: that's that is a big, big drawback for his style
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  Speaker 15: and the team in general. Thank you.
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  Speaker 8: We went into this season like and I think so
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  Speaker 8: much of what our conversations were about or exactly what
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  Speaker 8: played out on Sunday, and I think that that's where
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  Speaker 8: my I am so frustrated about it is because we said, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: it'll look better and they'll score more points or they'll
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  Speaker 8: be more efficient offensively. But when it's third in whatever
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  Speaker 8: and they need a play, do they have a quarterback
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  Speaker 8: and do they have receivers that can go out and
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  Speaker 8: make a play and they it played out exactly like that.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see. Cody writes in last year was absolutely a
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  Speaker 1: last year was a fireable offense by any other person
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  Speaker 1: in the league not named Bill Belichick, if they would
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  Speaker 1: have made that decision to let Patricia run an offense
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  Speaker 1: a last year plus, no talent on offense is going
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  Speaker 1: to make it impossible to win shootouts of any kind
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  Speaker 1: of game where they need drives and playmaking. If the
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  Speaker 1: forty nine ers drafted mac Jones instead of Trey Lance
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  Speaker 1: three years ago, the forty nine ers may be on
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  Speaker 1: a three peat. Watch it matters who is coaching, what
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  Speaker 1: playmakers you have. Mac Jones has had below average situation
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  Speaker 1: in both categories.
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  Speaker 3: Do we really think that I've heard that set a
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  Speaker 3: lot that the forty nine ers would be a dynasty
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  Speaker 3: right now if they had mac Jones.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think it, because I think at some point
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  Speaker 6: to win titles you have to win games that are
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  Speaker 6: different ways, high scoring, come from behind, I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: But if you have the players around you, you have
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  Speaker 1: different ways to win the game.
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  Speaker 6: That's one of the great unknowns. You might be right right,
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  Speaker 6: you don't know, it might be right here.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not dismissing that like that he would be
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  Speaker 1: good with forty or a team like that.
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  Speaker 3: Sure it would be good.
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  Speaker 6: There's a difference between being good and being going for
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  Speaker 6: three Okay, that's yeah. Like, but I think to win
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  Speaker 6: it all, you need to find a way to win
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  Speaker 6: a game in a different way.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that brock Party is made
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  Speaker 1: It's made to look better because of that team, of.
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  Speaker 6: Course, of course, but brock Party hasn't won anything. He's
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  Speaker 6: won games, right exactly, And I think Jones won games
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  Speaker 6: two except for one. Yeah, okay, but he doesn't lose
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  Speaker 6: because it happened in a different way.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 4: To the point, I've said this multiple times on this show.
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  Speaker 4: When you look at Mac Jones at Alabama, he had
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: five star everything, elite everything, like he never if he
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: had to play Georgia now, like the Georgia now, he
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  Speaker 4: would have had to find a way to win it
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  Speaker 4: in a different way. He didn't have to do that then,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: and that's why he's struggling so much now. He never
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: had to persevere, he never had to have ice in
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: his veins, he never had to be clutched.
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  Speaker 5: He was just good.
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  Speaker 8: So he had great talent around. But now, and that's
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  Speaker 8: again like people that say, oh this is like a
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 8: good we're thirty three starts into it. Yeah, and so
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 8: he hasn't shown that ability that you just laid out
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  Speaker 8: in thirty three games that he started in the NFL.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 8: So I just at some point you got to show it,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 8: like you have to have actual results. It can't just
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  Speaker 8: be like, well it could be there, like it's got.
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  Speaker 10: To be a boy.
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  Speaker 6: Fred I like their chances to do it Sunday night
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 6: against Miami. I do yeah, Oh I like the spot.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. We'll get the pitch later in the week.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: But that's it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll
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  Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. Anything going on today, man, I need
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 6: No, all right, have one last line, just to go
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 6: back to that caller Cherry picking the absolute worst game
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 6: that Josh Allen's ever had in his career and saying
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 6: that's what he is is like beyond Paul like disingenuousness.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 6: That was literally the worst game Josh Allen's ever played
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 6: and that's.
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  Speaker 5: What he is.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: That made me like, well, I think the Jets had
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: something to do with that, but okay, no, but.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying he played an awful game. He did,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 6: and that's what he is. Just what's the comment, Well.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: He's becoming what he's supposed to be.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 6: Let's put it, okay, the second best quarterback in football
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 6: last year.
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  Speaker 1: The Windows Closing All Right, can give yourself that.
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