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NFL Week 15 TNF Showdown | Chargers @ Raiders | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  All systems going clear the left up. What's up? Everyone? Tyler Tamberline
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  More football. Got a big Saturday game Saturday slate this week, two
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  three games. We'll have another show tomorrow talking about that. You and I.
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  Yeah, a lot of action moving forward. You got the UFC pay
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  the DraftKings Football Live Final. It's a it's a busy weekend for sure.
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  It kicks off tonight with Yeah, what is you know, looks like a
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  shitty game for sure, and you know a lot of both quarterbacks or one
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  of the quarterbacks out in Herbert. Looks like Jacobs is gonna miss He's listed
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  doubtful. So you got a three k running back that's gonna get like all
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  the work. So, I mean there's different angles here. I mean,
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  I'm not absolutely hating this game. You have some high volume guys in Austin
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  Eckler and and DeVante Adams, you know, two unknown quarterbacks which you know
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  should keep people off them maybe a little bit. I don't know. It's
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  for the afternoon's. That's huge. And this is a real quick note.
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  I love all those comments and Sean said it just now Sean Sullivan, great
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  member. Appreciate the support. As always said, DFS Juice is the man.
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  This is the first win when DFS Juice turned eighteen bucks into eighty k.
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  But I'm not sure if you guys looking at that poor guy in seventh,
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  look at that poor guy in seventh, Yeah, we don't need to
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  talk with that guy. This is the great story though. DFS Juice is
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  my process. I played him all the way through. I haven't won much
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  on him lately. But then on the other night on the two Gamer he
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  plays them again and rolls them out for like another fifty k plus. He
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  goes, yeah, just stick with your guys, that's how you do it,
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  and shout out to Drea. I missed you too, Drea. We
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  haven't seen you for a minute. We always appreciate you. I saw you
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  in the discord earlier today or yesterday and missed you there, but nice to
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  see you here. Thank you guys all for watching title. Anything else you
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  want to bring up? Man, If not, you can get to your
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  I'm interested to hear a grand scheme overview for this game in particular, but
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  please take us into him. My man, what do you got? Oh
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  gosh, it's a gross one. I mean, two backup quarterbacks. I'm
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  not even convinced Aidan O'Connell like if he comes out and plays poorly in the
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  first half. Pierce wasn't even sure it was gonna be him until late yesterday,
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  so I think Jimmy g definitely could make an appearance if it's ugly early.
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  On the other side, yeah, we saw easton stick. He actually
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  looked okay. He has a little rushing upside as well, so I definitely
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  prefer him over O'Connell. No Jacob. So we get white priced under Abdulah,
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  which is very interesting. Last week we get the Austin Eckler. They're
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  going to ride the hot hand Isaiah spiller, Joshua Kelly. It was pretty
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  much Eckler, hardly any Kelly, some spiller. Kelly's way miss priced.
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  I mean, what a weird, weird slate. What I do know is
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  we got to get hooped to go get on that Hunter renfro Jersey, because
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  he's back, baby, he is on the field. He is the number.
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  He took over the number three. Finally he was getting work in that
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  second half last week. And uh yeah, I like me a little hunt
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  un five four or five. All right, he's I'll be back. Don't
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  mind if I do. You don't have to tell me. I love it.
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  Also, Eastern Stick for those that don't know, like Tokyo Swansas can't
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  be a real human. I don't know if he is. He's actually a
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  hockey stick. So shout out to all my Canadians out there growing up the
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  goalie stick, the Eastern ones and now they got the synergy g X.
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  We could do a whole ad for this, get off Manscape today and bring
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  up the Eastern stick. But I used to rock the O stick, tam.
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  But what you know about the little Oa stick? The hockey man,
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  I'm the worst Canadian. People know that. I always say it, but
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  uh, I think it's funny. His name is literally a hockey stick out
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  there, so it's pretty funny in that sense. But you brought up like
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  Jimmy g We've already got like you said, so Herbert on the ir keenan
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  Allen out, Jacob's downgraded to doubtful. Now we got all kinds of stuff
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  going on there. We're gonna get the hoop's opinion first. But just off
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  the top title, well, he's taking a quick break. We'll go there
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  like being reversed now. But like captain wise, do you think people are
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  just gonna condense the captain heavy today and just say forget it? Or are
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  they gonna stretch it out a little bit because there it's some uncertainty in other
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  places and they know that there's gonna be more condensed ownership on some of these
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  big name guys that we have left over. I think it has to be
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  condensed because it's just so gross to click some of these names. Salary is
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  in a big issue. You have Davante, you have Eckler, and then
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  I think it's gonna probably be the mere White just because he's the lead back
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  and he's so free that allows you to do a lot of stuff. So
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  I think you click any captain name outside of those three. I mean not
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  that you can just jam in all the chalk leaves zero dollars and be good,
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  but you'll be different right away outside of those three, is how I
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  see it. Yeah, Wop kick it back to you. I know you
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  went and got the jersey, so you can show that off for those that
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  don't know the story, but then also your just thoughts on how you think
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  this game is actually gonna play out with the setup that we've got here,
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  feeling good and Renfrow jersey fits well, it's one of the nice ones too.
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  It's like got the stitched on like letters and stuff that signed it to
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  me, Like I don't know the story from last year. It was funny
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  because I don't know. We're on a show and I said, if you
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  got over what twenty five or something, I'd get a jersey, and he
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  went off for like thirty six and you can't find the jerseys, Like you
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  couldn't even order my mind, you actually had to like go to the stadium
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  and buy the jersey on a show. I was just like, hey,
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  you know, if someone can go to the stadium get me a jersey,
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  that would be great. I end up getting like five Renfro jersey, so
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  I kind of gave him away. But that was very nice of the listeners
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  that go take care of that. What was the question, Well, I
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  was just saying one thing for certain is it's like you literally need to have
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  the jersey to remember who this guy is, or even why you have the
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  jersey because it's unnecessary otherwise completely, it's like, are you one thing to
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  buy like a Deebo jersey when he gets three touchdowns or something. But like
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  Renfro, come on. The question was, how do you actually see this
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  game playing out? We're going to apply it to DFS when we go throughout
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  the captain talk, the position by position, all that stuff, FanDuel difference
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  is there, et cetera. But what do you really see happening here tonight
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  in this game the way we have this set up now and what we know
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  with the news. I don't know. I don't have an answer to that
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  question, to be honest with you. I could see a variety of things
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  happening. I mean, it's a team in the Chargers, I mean just
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  a super disappointing season. Their head coach is an absolute idiot. I mean,
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  I just don't understand how that guy continues to be the head coach of
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  the team. And then on the Raiders side, I mean, they're you
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  know, they're playing better ever since they fired their coach, and you know,
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  no Josh Jacobs tonight. I think in terms of DFS leads to a
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  situation where we're going to see just a lot of very common type builds.
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  It's going to be a lot of Atler, It's going to be a lot
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  of DeVante Adams, it's going to be a lot of Zamir White, and
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  it's going to be a lot of the quarterbacks they should soak up I mean
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  a large, large majority of ownership because it's going to be easy with Zamir
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  White in there to play the high end guys. So we'll talk like some
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  strategy behind that. I think there's some things we can do to you know,
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  get those teams to look a little bit different than the rest of the
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  field. But in terms like what happens in this game, like the score,
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  you know who wins, I have no freaking clue. I'll be honest
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  with you. Okay, then let me ask you this, because we're going
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  right into Captain. I'll let you segue there, But how are you building
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  out then based on you know, all those unknowns you just said, I
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  asked a title when you work here about just kind of the captains that up
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  here, it has to be a night where it just condenses heavy at captains
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  for everybody because it's just it's the there's so many unknowns that at least still
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  feels people will feel safe with that. So how are you handling the captains
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  and how are you building based on everything you just said? All right,
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  So, yeah, I just went and ran the the one fifty. You've
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  kind of been doing it on that show, just not changing anything, just
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  running it and seeing what we get. And we got it looks like about
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  seventy five percent between Eckler, White and Adams and the Captain. So those
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  guys are soaking up all the ownership in the Captain. If you just naturally
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  run your teams, it's easy to play the high end volume guys like Eckler
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  and Adams when you plug in a guy like White in the flux and then
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  you know vice versa. White is projecting so well for a three K player,
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  he's going to show up there a lot. So you know, does
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  that mean anything else is a little bit different today? I kind of think
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  it is, to be honest with you, because I don't see anything else
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  like standing out as guys that people are going to go to in the captain
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  spot outside of those like everyone else, even if you look at ownership is
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  coming in like seven to eight per percent or below White, Eckler, and
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  Adams in those spots. So I think that is a very interesting dynamic on
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  the slate where if you play anything other than three captains tonight, you're gonna
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  be relatively different from the field. So I think that's a pretty interesting dynamic
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  on the slate. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna take some shots that way.
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  The other thing I worry about title ill kicking you on your captain thoughts,
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  just like the Zevere White thing obviously makes perfect sense. There's still they're still
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  at home. There's still a spot here now with what again, we're gonna
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  go off? The news is downgrade to doubtful to me as I'm considering out
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  and then whatever happens happens, if somehow he got ruled back in, we'll
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  know later, but I'm gonna say is out. That's where the Zamir White
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  situation is gonna come in. He's forty five hundred at the Captain right,
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  three K and the flex. Once you put them in, you just add
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  all the same dudes everyone else has. Like again, you could leave money
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  on the table if it still gets there, I eat crow. I don't
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  care though. That's all like I look at so like for me, it's
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  always hard to get to that situation. And maybe you know, if you
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  guys convince me enough that that's kind of the spot and that's just gonna work
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  that way, then that might be something where again I'll play a little bit
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  less or I'll play different angles to try and cover against it. But man,
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  it's it sucks when that's the scenario because then it's kind of just all
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  the same lineups or a two v two away which everyone has that story every
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  night anyway and showtout, Oh just one guy off, or I had to
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  just swap these two. We all have the same story. When it's one
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  single game out there, it's more important like the main slates and stuff.
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  But give me your thoughts here at the Captain. Yeah, if I swap
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  my two guys for Tari Eastan and Giannis, I would have been twound fifty
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  k Richard yesterday, but fortunately did not do that. I'm with you though
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  on Zamir White, like he's such a strong play, but because of his
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  price at the captain spot, I don't really know how I can get different.
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  Like they'll be teams with Zamir White captain that leave three thousand that are
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  probably gonna be duped fifty times, so I probably am gonna get away from
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  that. I prefer the DeVante. I prefer the Eckler captain's there, and
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  like I mentioned Renfro for whop, him and Erickson are gonna be my cheek
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  captains that I'll mix in from the Zamir White that are gonna be very low
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  owned down there that I do think have a chance to how would score him.
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  Rickson took over Jalen Geiitten is the number three receiver last game. Of
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  course, Keenan Allen out Joshua Palmer's back, so I still expect Ericson to
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  be the number three. Renfro took over Trey Tucker's role. He's the number
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  three, So I think if I'm punting captain, they'll be with one of
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  those two because they're gonna be significantly less owned, and I mean what they
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  catch a thirty yard touchdown. Renfro's been in the mix Ericson's been in the
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  mix. If they outscore White, that could be a huge swing. So
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  now would I get to much White captain? I'll go those two instead for
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  cheap. Otherwise, I don't have much interest in Aidan O'Connell. Like I
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  said, I'm wouldn't be surprised one bit Jimmy g does come in this game.
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  Easton Stick. I do have some interests at captain. He has some
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  rushing upside and he looks like again solid last week. There's only so many
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  ways like it's not gonna be one hundred and twenty point optimal win. I
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  don't think, of course low total. We said that last week with the
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  Patriots Steelers in the game, absolutely nuked. I don't quite see it like
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  that. But you get eighteen twenty points from Easton, he could very well
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  be the captain right there, So interest in him. No O'Connell, Eckler,
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  Devonte, the two studs. Outside of that, it's really tough,
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  and I think it's like Gerald Everett and kickers for me, which sounds so
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  gross. Everett really outsnapped part of last week, and the kickers they fall
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  in that mid tier build. If it's a low scoring game, you can
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  see crazy things happen. A twelve piece from a kicker at captain could be
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  enough, and it's going to be very very low owned. I prefer kickers
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  over the defense. Captain. Won't call you crazy if you said defenses as
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  well. I don't like doing it often. I know you guys don't like
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  doing it often as well. It hardly ever wins, but we usually don't
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  see totals as low as well. So what are your thoughts there, because
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  I'm struggling at captain Outside of those yeah, I'm currently interested in both,
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  to be honest, because again I just I do see the game more likely
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  to play in the under and I know we'll see what our group think is
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  here. But the group thing's been better lately on the total. There's still
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  I think wrong every single time so far on the side. So we'll see
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  when we get there to that angle. But maybe we'll start it off now.
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  It's almost two hundred people watching. If you haven't yet done so,
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  getting all these free shows and more. But do us a favor in the
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  chat we've got right now, pulling it up, the total is thirty four
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  and a half and the Raiders are favored at home by three. Give us
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  your side, So who's winning the game and over or under? Let's get
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  that from the chat. Throw that in there and see what we got,
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  because I'm curious to see where everyone's at with it. But I like the
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  wide receivers better. I like Adams better than Eckler. Also I don't i'd
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  probably like Stick better than O'Connell like you said, No, I don't.
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  I'm not playing Jimmy g as like maybe the backup comes in not saying you
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  were, but also I'm saying it's harder to play for that. But I
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  think if it's if it does get locked in on someone, it's gonna be
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  Adams. I'll still have some Meyers there. I like the wide receivers better.
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  I like Adams better than Eckler. I like the Kickers and the das
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  of right now. And I don't love Zamir just because again, do I
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  love him, He's probably fine. I don't love my construction that I'm gonna
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  get with him. So I'd rather take a chance on, like you said,
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  either some of those other punts or like an Everett for example, is
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  just fine by me. So I'm actually with you on a lot of the
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  things that you said there that I kind of think there. Who did you
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  have anything else after us talking that you want to add there at the captain
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  spot? Yeah, a couple more that I kind of you touched on one
• 18:41
  of the guys at the end, Everett. I think, you know,
• 18:45
  without Keenan Allen, I want to look at some of these Chargers pass catchers,
• 18:48
  you know, and if they are in a trailing game script, which
• 18:51
  could be the case, Like you know, I see some upsides for those
• 18:56
  guys. So guys like Everett I think are appealing. You know, Quintin
• 19:00
  Johnson has not been good, but seven targets. He had four targets last
• 19:06
  game three for ninety one, so we kind of caught a long fifty seven
• 19:08
  yard catch. Moderate interest in him, and then you know, a little
• 19:14
  bit of interest in Palmer as well. Who, I guess what is by
• 19:18
  default the number one wide receiver for the Chargers tonight. So I kind of
• 19:22
  want some of those Chargers pass catchers in there, if they are you know
• 19:25
  somehow playing from behind, you know, maybe trust stick a little bit more
• 19:29
  than O'Connell as well. So I don't love the quarterbacks so up top,
• 19:33
  So you know, Adams Eckler, the high volume guys, chargers, pass
• 19:37
  catchers, kind of what's standing out to me, and then was a mere
• 19:40
  white, especially if you handbuilding. Make sure you do something a little bit
• 19:44
  funky in there, because we always talk about it. If you just naturally
• 19:45
  playing with an optimizer in the captain you know, have the same teams as
• 19:48
  everyone else. And even like title said, if you think you're being sneaky
• 19:52
  by leaving salary on the table, probably not like you got to. You
• 19:55
  gotta do some weird correlation type stuff that you know from the eye doesn't make
• 20:00
  sense. So that that's one piece of advice if you do play white up
• 20:03
  top. Yeah, I'll tell you right right now. Chargers overs Chargers and
• 20:07
  over is like the mass thing here, And I know some of it has
• 20:11
  to stem from last week, right, what happened last week? That what
• 20:15
  was the game? SINCEY and Pittsburgh, the Pittsburgh the Pittsburgh Patriots game you're
• 20:21
  saying, remember, yeah it was it went over in like what the first
• 20:25
  half almost he was, so, yeah, some of some of that is
• 20:30
  going to be this scenario here. So the parlay, the people's parlay,
• 20:34
  would be the Raiders by three for the side and under the thirty four and
• 20:41
  a half. But so far one percent going opposite of the Chargers would be
• 20:47
  the key. So Raiders win at home by three or more is one hundred
• 20:51
  percent so far in the last four or five weeks that we've been doing this
• 20:53
  or whatever it is now two or three weeks, maybe four or five games,
• 20:56
  I should say that we've been doing this. So good to know that's
• 21:00
  we got that part solved out title. I'll go back to you. Do
• 21:03
  you want to talk more on these running backs? You already spent time on
• 21:04
  the quarterbacks at captain. Talk to us a little bit more about these running
• 21:08
  backs. We talked about Zamir White a little bit, the guys behind him,
• 21:11
  Eckler, what you see out of that last week, Remember the talk
• 21:15
  was it's a battle between I mean, this is probably why the guy should
• 21:18
  lose his job already anyway, it's a battle between Eckler and Kelly, but
• 21:22
  Spiller and so in Spiller, yeah, yeah, and Spiller O would snap
• 21:26
  Kelly. Actually, so Kelly's the one that's the easiest cross off. I
• 21:30
  mean's sixty eight hundred bucks. I don't if you play him and win all
• 21:33
  the money he's gonna you'll probably be one of the only ones that play them.
• 21:36
  We'll be sub five percent. I'm definitely not clicking that button. There's
• 21:38
  only four of them, Eckler and Spiller. Eckler's eleven kse Spiller thirty eight
• 21:42
  hundred, Abdulla's forty eight hundreds, of mere Whites three thousand. Now Spiller
• 21:48
  I think is gonna be probably sub five percent as well. Abdula sub ten
• 21:52
  percent because he is more expensive than Zamir White eighteen hundred dollars more and sa
• 21:56
  Mere White books to be everything I'm seeing and expect. Zamir White's the first
• 22:02
  and second down back. Abdullah's the two minute drill, the third down back.
• 22:04
  He's a good pass catcher, but doesn't run through the tackles as much.
• 22:08
  I mean, Zimir White's gonna be ten x or eight times higher owned
• 22:12
  than Abdullah there. I'm not gonna be playing much White in the Captain or
• 22:17
  if any, so I'm gonna have some in the flex. I still very
• 22:18
  well. Might be underweight in the flex. I'll be overweight to Abdullah.
• 22:22
  Just little things like that. We play one game, you have six spots
• 22:25
  to get different little things like that. If he fails, Abdullah can get
• 22:30
  more work. He probably does. He probably has a good game. If
• 22:33
  Amir White bus so, I will be playing Abdullah. I don't really love
• 22:37
  him at the captain, though I know some people are mentioning him. I'll
• 22:40
  probably just reserve him for the Flex. I have some interest in Isaiah Spiller
• 22:44
  got six carries last week, Eckler got ten. Kelly Kando was phased out.
• 22:48
  All it takes is him falling in the box. Ones Chargers don't really
• 22:51
  have much to play, don't have anything to play for not playing Keenan.
• 22:53
  I think if they were in playoff funds, Keenan would be playing. Now
• 22:56
  there's no Herberts. I wouldn't be surprised as Staley mixes in some more Spiller.
• 23:02
  Maybe I don't even know about Kelly. I think Spiller is the guy
• 23:04
  he wants to see more of. So overweight Spiller, overweight White in the
• 23:08
  flex, or overweight Spiller and an Abdul in the flex give me the backup
• 23:11
  RBS probably underweight white. They'll be very popular and I'll have a bunch of
• 23:15
  Eckler though in the flex for sure. Yeah. The other question too,
• 23:18
  like, I'm glad you mentioned it because the chat, I think we'll have
• 23:22
  a little bit of Abduel in the Captain. You already touched on it,
• 23:23
  so I was glad you went there. Hoop. The chats Abdulla is the
• 23:27
  play of the night. I mean this stuff to our guy Kevlar, like,
• 23:30
  this is like fifty to fifty to me. You gotta go back.
• 23:33
  I don't know, I don't have the true history in front of me.
• 23:34
  Go back and look. But what you're saying is what you've seen. Sometimes
• 23:37
  two shitty teams play and everyone's like they suck, It's gonna go under and
• 23:40
  it goes out over. Other times it's exactly what we expected and we give
• 23:44
  them high hopes and it goes under. All I'm saying is the chat says
• 23:48
  this game is an easy over, and I think a lot of it is
• 23:49
  easy over reaction to potentially the New England and Pittsburgh game last week where it
• 23:55
  was over easy early on Whop. I'll let you go ahead of your same
• 23:59
  thoughts running back say anything to add like title broken down pretty good, I
• 24:02
  thought, But just if you want to add anything in there, Yeah,
• 24:04
  I mean similar, similar mindset. I mean, I mean on the slide,
• 24:07
  I think you just have to embrace Eckler. Like in all formats,
• 24:11
  I mean there's just I mean who or the other plays like in this game.
• 24:15
  I mean there's just not not many and so I mean you just have
• 24:18
  to do You have to play them, probably have to play them at a
• 24:21
  high rate. Zamir White, I mean in the flux for sure, you
• 24:26
  know what you do in the Captain Again, I think you need to be
• 24:30
  specific about how you handle that, especially if you're handbuilding. It's a little
• 24:33
  more easy to do different type things. So if you are handbuilding, make
• 24:37
  sure those are a mere white teams just look different and don't think like I
• 24:41
  agree, I mean to bring up titles plaint again, don't think by leaving
• 24:45
  a big chunk on the table, you're just going to be different. You
• 24:48
  got to like even think beyond that. I think a little bit here on
• 24:49
  the slate, I'll have some Abdullah, I'll have a little bit of Spiller,
• 24:56
  and that's about it. Like I am, I excited to play those
• 24:57
  guys, absolutely not, But just the nature of this light, like,
• 25:00
  if they find the end zone, one of those guys, it's probably enough
• 25:03
  to be on the to be on the optimal. We're looking at what like
• 25:07
  a thirty four total, So got to bring your expectations down a little bit.
• 25:11
  And if either of those guys, you know, gets in the end
• 25:14
  zone, you probably need them so awesome And all I could do that all
• 25:18
  the time is think about this play on words. Is that if you think
• 25:21
  it's an easy over, your night could be over easy with egg on your
• 25:25
  face with that take. So you never know about that. Man. You
• 25:27
  got to think about these things before you move on to the next segment title,
• 25:32
  let's talk wide receivers. Really, I have nothing to add. I
• 25:33
  think one thing I will add on the running back I guess before I fully
• 25:37
  kick it on these pass catchers, is that, like the chat said,
• 25:40
  we're building for scripts. Obviously, if you're gonna build it up that the
• 25:42
  Chargers are getting out ahead of themselves and getting out of and ahead themselves,
• 25:47
  are getting out ahead of this game and being up front, then we like
• 25:49
  Abdullah probably even more right coming back to the other side. Full point PPR
• 25:53
  playing a game of catch up? What's your take? Real quick before you
• 25:56
  get into the other ketchup goes with eggs some people too, by the way,
• 26:00
  but just going to the other side. Not for me, but I
• 26:03
  just heard that the five ones, the four twos, I know who paints.
• 26:07
  Will we go into this segment? But real quick, you and I
• 26:08
  like this stuff. What do you think the builds are like tonight? Because
• 26:11
  then then like in that scenario, you could have like a five to one
• 26:15
  chargers who's the underdog with an Abdullah as the only guy coming back or something.
• 26:19
  And again not saying that's gonna be super sneaky, because people that think
• 26:22
  like that would go there. But at the same time, I don't know
• 26:25
  how many people are going heavy on five ones for example, so you're already
• 26:27
  could be getting a leg up that way. How do you see the field
• 26:30
  going as far as builds are concerned, I think four to two raiders will
• 26:33
  probably be the most popular with a pricing like some mere whites completely free,
• 26:37
  so just plugging a free square for most people. Devonte Eckler. So I
• 26:41
  think four to two, five to one raiders, I think it might get
• 26:47
  some again, just because a lot of their pricing. Three threes, of
• 26:51
  course always get some If you go four to two chargers, I think that
• 26:53
  right away different construction. Five to one chargers for sure different. Then you
• 26:59
  can think about like a little less about ownership. If you want to go
• 27:02
  to a mere White captain, play five chargers with him. If you say
• 27:04
  that, I mean that that game script would probably be they jump out early
• 27:07
  fourteen to nothing, he gets the two early rushing touchdowns from the goal line.
• 27:11
  It could work there. Flip it on the height of Dulah, Like
• 27:14
  I don't like him at captain, But if you think chargers jump out fourteen
• 27:17
  to nothing in this game, they play from behind the whole time. You
• 27:19
  could easily see Abdulah captain get there on five dumpoffs and he gets way more
• 27:26
  work that way. But yeah, I think four two raiders will be the
• 27:27
  most popular in terms of what I'm looking at right now, looking at my
• 27:32
  initial run, I don't have much five ones on either side. I have
• 27:36
  a good amount of chargers for too, though, so I'm definitely good at
• 27:38
  that. Did Renfro captain have fourty? You? Did Renro captain have fourteen
• 27:42
  to five? In the live? What the buck? Like this? Is,
• 27:44
  Yeah, that's gonna be a problem. But I think that's the other
• 27:47
  angle tonight, like that could be could get me in. And obviously an
• 27:49
  Eckler DeVante a quarterbacks like you talk like you gotta play all the bumps with
• 27:55
  him, he can spend. But I would say this, like I don't
• 27:56
  know about you title, I leave a lot of money on the table generally,
• 28:00
  but like I don't tonight might be a night where the winning lineup ends
• 28:03
  up leaving twelve five on the table. But I'm not gonna build any like
• 28:06
  that. That's the handbuilder that just says give me this, give me that,
• 28:08
  and I'll land on one guy. It's it's tough for me to get
• 28:12
  there too. And Kevila re reconfirmed he said he meant like DST is gonna
• 28:15
  be drastically over owned. What world are you living in? We're in week
• 28:18
  fifteen now, that's every week and they crush every single slate we talk about
• 28:22
  this, ask hoop, so we there is? Are they over owned anymore?
• 28:26
  Are they just the nuts? You know, it's continuously a non stop
• 28:30
  thing. Also, I disagree, not on your point, it's correct.
• 28:34
  I'm just saying I would disagree tonight that you're not gonna get a lot of
• 28:37
  opportunities with guys like Aidan O'Connell and with Eastern Stick, they're gonna really just
• 28:42
  let them do it out like they're gonna see what they can do. Like
• 28:45
  who cares. They may as well keep seeing what they can see out of
• 28:48
  O'Connell. If somehow Garoppolo get in, he's definitely gonna be chucking it around.
• 28:51
  And then on the other side and they have no running back really za
• 28:53
  Mere White is their lead guy, and then Abdulah and stuff from behind that
• 28:56
  can easily can make mistakes that way, and then on the opp side,
• 29:00
  Easton Stick is definitely gonna be Like people talk about he as a canon watch
• 29:03
  this watch that it might be three. I INT's a couple of fumbles,
• 29:07
  Like who knows what it's gonna be. So I actually think there's more opportunity
• 29:10
  than not tonight versus some of these other slides where you would expect them just
• 29:14
  to hand it off and give it to the guy behind them. So I
• 29:17
  don't know, we'll see. That's my take on it. Originally, go
• 29:18
  ahead, tight, All'll kick it back to you. Just on these pass
• 29:21
  catchers, we know Adams will be popular. And one extra thing I would
• 29:25
  add your point on the four twos. I think you're right though, because
• 29:27
  you got even just Captains in general, Zimir White, DeVante Adams. If
• 29:33
  people were going to a secondary receiver here, it's probably still on that side
• 29:36
  with Myers, I think they would still take that shot, maybe feel more
• 29:38
  comfortable about a quarterback then picking some of these dudes on the Chargers side where
• 29:44
  it's hard to say who really is gonna be that guy, and with Palmer
• 29:47
  coming back and all this, like, I don't know, So give me
• 29:48
  your thoughts here a wide receiver, But I do think you're right on the
• 29:52
  Captains and the Bills. Yeah, Carlson's a little cheaper than Dicker. Is
• 29:56
  Renfroz down there. That's what I'm seeing as well as far as receiver,
• 30:00
  I mean pretty much. If you just say the depth chart on the Raiders
• 30:03
  side is DeVante's the one, Jacoby's, the two, renfros the three,
• 30:07
  Trey Tucker's the four. On the Chargers side, probably Palmer won coming back,
• 30:12
  it's him in Quintin Johnson, and then it's Jalen Geiton got moved to
• 30:17
  the four, Alex Erickson out snap Jalen guiton last week. Of course,
• 30:21
  no keenan Allen Palmer's making his return. I'm not I wouldn't be surprised if
• 30:26
  he's on a little snap count. I don't know. I'm trying to see
• 30:27
  if anyone's got any beat writers. I couldn't find anything more on it,
• 30:32
  But I agree with what you were saying. I do think we're still gonna
• 30:33
  see him locked down a little bit just tonight for time wise. Yeah,
• 30:37
  first game back in a while, and what are they playing for? And
• 30:41
  they have these like they have Geiton they can run out with, they have
• 30:44
  two tight ends. So I mean, I think his ownership, I don't
• 30:48
  know what Palmer probably because it's probably said six to two wide receiver, I'll
• 30:52
  probably be around the field Smmer. I think he'll probably be somewhere around thirty
• 30:55
  percent. I think that's fine in the flex. Don't love it as much
• 30:57
  as the captain. I like Alex Erickson or Alex Erickson, I like Hunter
• 31:00
  Renfro. Give me these wide receiver threes. They're so cheap. Everyone's going
• 31:04
  to white down there. They're gonna be on the field. Man catch a
• 31:07
  couple passes, fall in the box and the whole sleay and flip on its
• 31:11
  head. So I'll be playing both of them, probably in Captain and Flex.
• 31:14
  And again it's a lot of pivot off of the Zamir White. Who's
• 31:17
  gonna get so much ownership. Quinton Johnson good with him man Jacobe Meyers,
• 31:22
  though it's been rough with An O'Connell. Like I wish Jimmy G. He's
• 31:26
  so much better with Jimmy G. I think he's the one my least favorite.
• 31:30
  Seeing that ownership, I think I'd rather just take shots on the Renfros.
• 31:33
  The Johnson's Palmer, I guess is the same ownership. I do prefer
• 31:37
  Palmer for the savings, though I think he's my least favorite there, Trey
• 31:41
  Tucker, Jalen Geyiton. I don't think Jalen Geiiton might be the craziest play.
• 31:45
  If Palmer is on some sort of that snapcount, I still think he
• 31:48
  ran like fifteen routes one second two. Because this just reminded me. Now,
• 31:51
  because Scary said this, I'm almost positive someone can go look it up
• 31:53
  on coach speak Index. I'm almost positive Staley said he'll be back, but
• 31:59
  we'll be monitoring like he already said it right knows, but I'm almost positive
• 32:04
  I saw those comments yesterday. I say that that's also coming from Staley,
• 32:07
  who's a fucking moron, So I mean that realistic. He's playing every snap
• 32:15
  or every play and special teams. I can already cook it up in my
• 32:20
  head. This game's going way under. We're playing Dick or the kicker captain
• 32:22
  by the end of the show, I actually do let's go. Yeah,
• 32:27
  I like that call, to be honest. What about what about QJ?
• 32:30
  Title that that's the other guy people want to talk. I know you were
• 32:32
  kind of hitting, but just keep going here, go ahead, Yeah,
• 32:35
  yeah, no, I'm what He's probably gonna be fifteen to twenty percent.
• 32:38
  I assume I'll probably he's just been so disappointing. Man like the big play.
• 32:43
  He's a big play guy. I don't know Easton stick throwing the ball
• 32:46
  like at the end of the day. How I see it is Eckler's just
• 32:49
  going to get pounded with these short targets ericson in the slots. I don't
• 32:53
  really love the Palmers. Johnson's are fine. I don't have a strong take
• 32:57
  on them, so I'll probably just I don't want them to burn me say
• 33:00
  it all the time in M M A. Sometimes I have very strong leans
• 33:01
  on some fights. Sometimes I don't, So why why ruin your knight on
• 33:06
  a fight that could like? Why would I fade or go all in on
• 33:09
  Palmer Johnson? I really don't have too strong of a lean, so I'll
• 33:13
  be somewhere around the field there. I love wide receiver threes, I'll be
• 33:15
  overweight on them. Jacobe Myers is really the one that's standing out to me.
• 33:19
  I don't think I get too much. And the chants already trying to
• 33:22
  jump ahead, like that's how bad they hate this sleigh trying to talk about
• 33:24
  Donald Parham. Isn't he still like chance? He doesn't even play tonight,
• 33:30
  Like we'll have to wait and see, but yeah, he's getting in the
• 33:37
  red zone. If he's not playing, we'll have to wait to see.
• 33:39
  But he's still q TAGS, so we'll have to see. Everyone's talking about
• 33:43
  QJ. Worked a lot with Stick in the preseason. I like the guy's
• 33:45
  nickname is just Stick Stick and QJ in the preseason, just crushing it out
• 33:51
  there. And then for you there with the Last Night, that one,
• 33:55
  I'm not going further with that one, but the the other thing. Yeah,
• 34:00
  DGA, our girl comes in and says, are y'all aware O'Connell played
• 34:04
  this game against Lac earlier this year. She wanted to remind us all about
• 34:08
  Devanta Adams getting thirteen targets for seventy five yards. That's how bad it was.
• 34:14
  But yeah, at least he got peppered. So we kind of know
• 34:15
  that, and that's why we said earlier, like for me, the quarterbacks
• 34:19
  at the captain, like when we talked about some prefer the stick side because
• 34:22
  again, I think there's more guys to spread it out to there versus I
• 34:24
  think if it's going to be on the Raiders side, you're gonna see a
• 34:27
  be DeVante Adams or Myers as just those two are going to be. One
• 34:30
  of them is going to be the dude that would show up. I know
• 34:31
  he didn't use Meyers that much last time, but that would come that would
• 34:36
  qualify. For There's no way that it could be Myers tonight instead of Adams.
• 34:39
  It just there's no way, but it definitely could be a way.
• 34:43
  Just throw out too ever's there So I don't know. I feel better about
• 34:45
  the wide receivers on that side. Hoop, do you have anything to add
• 34:47
  any other wide receivers you want to talk about anything, you want to mention
• 34:51
  here, someone said, DeAndre Carter revenge game. That's that's going deep.
• 34:55
  That's going that is dep That's going pretty damn deep. Yeah, I had
• 35:01
  not much to add, Like I prefer these guys over the you know,
• 35:05
  running backs that we talked about at similar price points, like I want Quintin
• 35:08
  Johnson and even renfro over guys like Abdullah and Spiller. You know, Palmer
• 35:16
  Quentin Johnson, I do like a little bit. I think he's potentially a
• 35:20
  captain player for me, just the big play upside, which I mean he's
• 35:22
  whiffed a lot this season, don't get me wrong, but I think he
• 35:25
  caught it. What I said was like a fifty seven yard or some last
• 35:28
  game. I'll take some chances then guys like that, just to get like
• 35:31
  a little bit a little bit different in that captain spot. I agree with
• 35:37
  like the ericson renfro Thing, I think they're they're very strong option guys.
• 35:40
  I don't know if I'll get to it much in the in the Captain,
• 35:43
  but I'll definitely have a good chunk in the flex. I gotta say it
• 35:46
  in regards as Marino jersey. Our boys said that he trade me the Marino
• 35:51
  jersey for my Dack jersey, so we might have a deal. This might
• 35:53
  be off the market. I don't know if you saw that comment earlier.
• 35:57
  I disregarded it because it's a giveaway, so I know it's it's not a
• 36:02
  Hoop Warren deck jersey instead of a Marino signe, which is worth more.
• 36:07
  It's like Adam Sandler says, like, I see what you're trying to do
• 36:09
  there, and I don't like it. I don't buy it off the winner.
• 36:15
  Just send him the payper. Yeah, yeah, that's at least somebody
• 36:19
  wins who want to buy it off me work out a price. Okay,
• 36:22
  sure, then yeah, I guess that would be legitimate. But we definitely
• 36:25
  have done a ton of ways and we make sure they arrive on time.
• 36:29
  And my nine year old son, he's into collecting cards and jerseys and all
• 36:34
  this, so he saw me taking pictures in the basement. He goes,
• 36:36
  dadd He goes, can I have that jersey? I said, well,
• 36:38
  I said, you know, one of our you know people at ship the
• 36:43
  Nation is going to win it. He goes, well, you know,
• 36:45
  can I just can I have it if you even know who it is?
• 36:47
  He goes Marino. I said, yeah, I said, do you know
• 36:51
  him? He goes no, But I want it. That's very, very
• 36:55
  honest in terms of just to wrap up these wide receivers, is like,
• 37:00
  yeah, I agree with you know a lot of the same same stuff.
• 37:02
  It is Davante or Eckler for you. I know, uh Tambill mentioned it
• 37:06
  early. You said DeVante right on Deavante's side of that one. Yeah,
• 37:08
  I'll play both, picking one. I would prefer Davante. Yeah yeah,
• 37:14
  what about you? Who? Who knows? I mean, just put the
• 37:16
  names in a hat and pick one out, to be honest, like,
• 37:19
  that's how I feel about it. I just strong lean, Yeah, I
• 37:23
  get it. Get him. Get him is a Twitter account. You got
• 37:27
  to tell him, you gotta get him on there. But anybody who doesn't
• 37:29
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  you guys see here, you go down here to annual. We'll be giving
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  away one annual membership and then we have two six month memberships to give away
• 38:10
  as well. And yeah, finkland Einhorn. Somebody said that what so uh
• 38:15
  Those that don't know that reference either, you're missing out. It's a great,
• 38:19
  great movie that title. Probably never seen that one. You just always
• 38:22
  know. I mean, you don't even have to. I'll raise my hand
• 38:24
  on every movie. I don't watch you, I watch Man. Okay,
• 38:31
  But you're not gonna go watch Home Improvement like when we make fun of you
• 38:35
  and say you're Wilson on Home Improvement, like Heidi ho neighbor, we get
• 38:37
  it. You're not gonna go tune into a bunch of episodes of an old
• 38:39
  school TV show, but a movie like Ace Svancher, a classic with Jim
• 38:45
  Carrey. It's hilarious. Let me add it to the notes. It's like
• 38:49
  thirty eight Watch you gotta do that one. I'm telling you, like a
• 38:54
  Svancher, I'm not a movie person, like I'm not a TV show person
• 38:58
  either. Like everyone will talk about stuff like how have you not seen this?
• 39:00
  How do you not know? I don't do any of that stuff.
• 39:04
  I'm with you that one. You do need to watch some definitely need the
• 39:07
  best Man, do not go in there? And then it is so good
• 39:15
  The Demons he figures it out, like you're gonna You're gonna love this movie.
• 39:16
  Man, such a good classic. I'll stick with you title. Let's
• 39:20
  go the chat wanted to talk about it? Maybe Actually I'll go to Hoop
• 39:22
  because it's his lover. He loves Donald Parham. Let's hear about this guy.
• 39:27
  Two touchdowns he's q TAG. But talk to us. You mentioned a
• 39:30
  little bit on Everett and then obviously you got to go to the other side
• 39:34
  of that game as well. I'm actually going back to see if we got
• 39:36
  any numbers from that first game. But talk to us about tight ends for
• 39:38
  a second here week four. Nothing out of Michael Meyer. So nothing out
• 39:44
  of him? There any anything else you got at this spot? Uh?
• 39:46
  Yeah, I mean people were talking about Parhim in the chat. I said
• 39:49
  that I'm in on Parhim. I don't necessarily know if I'm in on par
• 39:52
  Him. I was just kind of going along with the joke. I mean,
• 39:53
  it's it's a much worse spot. Obviously without Herbert, he is questioned
• 39:58
  most of the first off, we need to make sure he's in. But
• 40:00
  it's a good point, like they probably they could easily struggle to move the
• 40:05
  ball. You need Parham in the red zone to be effective twenty eight hundred.
• 40:08
  You know, there's a lot of cheap guys on the slates. I
• 40:10
  don't necessarily love him, probably won't have a lot, but I do like
• 40:14
  Everett. I think Everett is a guy that could kind of fill that Keenan
• 40:17
  Allen void in the middle of the field. I mean, Keenan Allen does
• 40:20
  a lot of work in the middle of the field, a lot of easy,
• 40:22
  short, quick passes. I think that could be Everett tonight. And
• 40:25
  then if they are playing from behind, it's a little added benefit for a
• 40:30
  guy like Everett. So I do like Everett a lot. Mayor. I'll
• 40:34
  have some of it at thirty two thirty two hundred. I think he's a
• 40:37
  fine play, but I don't like, you know, really anyone else.
• 40:40
  I mean Everett by far my favorite tight end play. Some Mayor, and
• 40:45
  then you know, probably not much of the other guys. The comments,
• 40:47
  man, I remember I was saying, Heidi ho neighbor, but forgot about.
• 40:51
  Yeah, that's another angle there. Someone says Canadian legend Jim Carrey,
• 40:55
  and then there's a Canadian legend could be Travis in here and he he won
• 41:00
  ten k the other night in the NBA streets. I only won one hundred
• 41:02
  k, just like a month and a half ago. Uh So, shout
• 41:05
  out to Koobie Travis, and he said, but he's got it mixed up.
• 41:07
  D Dry D Dry probably owns a factory right now. I can drop
• 41:13
  the factory or who knows what. But D double D has not come through
• 41:17
  for the last little bit here, so we are waiting for our guy.
• 41:21
  They wouldn't believe us, Hoop. There's no way someone could hand build one
• 41:23
  hundred and fifty lineups, they told us. But there actually is a way.
• 41:27
  And I said, his name is double d He comes through every week
• 41:30
  on the show at least once or twice, and he does handbuild one hundred
• 41:32
  and fifty line up, so it definitely still happens. And then the last
• 41:37
  one where he said watch watch a Sventura skip the game title if you didn't
• 41:42
  get that one that the guy told you, and then hoop your gun is
• 41:45
  digging into my hip from the from the movie Finkland. I remember that.
• 41:50
  I'm so bad, Like that's one thing. I'm so bad with movie quotes,
• 41:52
  Like even like my favorite movies, like I just don't remember the ship
• 41:55
  they say, I just know if it's good or not. So I'm glad
• 41:59
  you remember that one. That's I love movie lines. Title answer this one
• 42:01
  for our guy scary real quick, Underdog Debo or Lamb. I I don't
• 42:07
  know high can fade Lamb at this point. Yeah, I agree. I
• 42:08
  like the Lamb side better. Debo's awesome to doing some stuff, but I
• 42:13
  prefer Lamb. There titled you got anything to add on tight End? I
• 42:15
  don't have much, but I will say I like the Everett play. I
• 42:19
  actually just in my head sometimes I just get that feeling of that thought and
• 42:21
  I'm thinking about it, like I actually think obviously if they get behind in
• 42:23
  this game, even better. But I actually think it could be him that's
• 42:25
  sort of leading the way and moving the chains for them. As much as
• 42:29
  people want to take chances and all these wide receivers, and of course Eckler
• 42:32
  on that side, why not get some evert up top and chop up maybe
• 42:37
  who knows six seven catches over the middle, maybe getting the box, like
• 42:39
  who knows what's going to be required on this plant. I actually have some
• 42:43
  interest in putting him into my captain pool as well. So do you like
• 42:46
  him the most out of because this range is tough for me. Quinton Johnson
• 42:50
  fifty four, Everett fifty two, Dicker five, k Abdulah forty eight,
• 42:54
  which will be the lowest owe of all these guys, Carlson forty six,
• 42:58
  and the defense is Chargers forty five, Raiders forty two. I think ownership,
• 43:01
  again outside of Abdullah, all relatively similar, within ten to fifteen percent
• 43:07
  of each other. I don't know, man, what's your leans there?
• 43:10
  Because I do not have a strong take. I agree one thing I would
• 43:14
  say, because I do have interested all of them. But one thing I
• 43:15
  would say is you're allowed not against you. Just in general, you're allowed
• 43:17
  to play more than one. So I'm definitely gonna put some of these guys
• 43:21
  together, Like you could have Everett in the Captain with Abdullah in the flex
• 43:23
  and it's Everett was stick and Abdullah, like everyone puts up their mini cores
• 43:29
  or there are examples of stacks you can use on a slate, and that's
• 43:31
  one I could say, like, you could definitely make that work. So
• 43:34
  I think looking at it from that perspective is one thing, But too,
• 43:37
  what do I like? I don't like anything, that's the answer, Like,
• 43:39
  I really I don't even get the same feel as breaking this down.
• 43:42
  Why do you think I'm talking about so many movie quotes and shit? Is
• 43:45
  that it's like this slate is not one where I feel like I'm actually super
• 43:49
  excited about the opportunity for a unique winning it as much as it's possible.
• 43:52
  And I see why I'm actually more concerned in my head that it's like a
• 43:57
  stupid unique that wins it with like twelve five on the table and just something
• 44:00
  that I didn't get to or wouldn't have and try I don't try and figure
• 44:04
  those ones out. I'll leave thousands on the table, but to get those
• 44:07
  versions of it and know what they're gonna be. So I'm gonna trust my
• 44:09
  normal process and build it out. What I get I get. But I
• 44:13
  definitely do have interest in Everett, and I think more people would have interest
• 44:16
  in Johnston just because you know, they got the connection and all this other
• 44:20
  stuff. But I also like Dicker. Like you said, I'm gonna get
• 44:22
  to kickers and D's in the second. I already made my points on the
• 44:24
  d's. I've mentioned Dicker a couple of times. I just think both these
• 44:28
  kickers are fine, but I prefer, you know, still using them mixed
• 44:32
  in with these guys versus having to pick between them. Yeah. No,
• 44:36
  kickers are my favorite in this range. Like I'm gonna be playing Summing Captain
• 44:38
  too, Like you expect a really gross game two backup quarterbacks. They can't
• 44:43
  finish it in the red zone. You can see a lot of settle Field
• 44:45
  goals in a dome. As far as the tight end position, yeah,
• 44:51
  I'm good with ever for sure. Michael Meyer has been so disappointing, but
• 44:54
  around ten percent ownership, tight end one Chargers have been beaten by tight ends
• 45:00
  thirty two hundred, so he gets cheaper than the kickers. The defense is
• 45:02
  the Everett, the Johnson's. I'll be playing some Myyer. He's on the
• 45:06
  field Parham. Yeah, Hoop had the legendary call. I don't think I
• 45:10
  can do that. Hooper. I don't know. He's eight hundred bucks.
• 45:15
  I mean, who else is down here at eight hundred sub one? K
• 45:19
  Let's take a look at uh who's available? Man, it is so gross
• 45:22
  down here. Yeah, I don't even know if I need any Austin Hooper
• 45:25
  at the end of the day, Meyer, Everett, it's really all you
• 45:29
  need to do at tight end looking at these, So everyone keeps talking about
• 45:31
  Quinton Johnson, though, I want to read off these receiving props. Eckler
• 45:35
  thirty one and a half, DeVante sixty eight and a half, Everett twenty
• 45:37
  eight and a half, Renfro twenty five and a half, Jacoby Meyers forty
• 45:42
  four and a half, Palmer thirty four and a half, Meyer nineteen and
• 45:45
  a half, Quinton Johnson twenty nine and a half. It doesn't get any
• 45:49
  grosser than that. But Meyer's nineteen and a half, Quinton Johnson's twenty nine
• 45:52
  and a half. Renfro is only a four and a half point difference.
• 45:55
  Like this is where I'm just the Everett like good with Evert, good with
• 45:59
  you and all of them. But I think you can go those guys and
• 46:01
  just take them out plug and Renfro take them out plugging myyer. That leave
• 46:06
  two three four k and again that can get you from a hundredweight chop to
• 46:09
  a ten way chop, which you could be talking plenty plenty cheese. So
• 46:14
  the props are so close, I mean, who knows, it's two backup
• 46:15
  quarterbacks. The samples not really big enough. Just when you win, how
• 46:20
  much do you win? So that's how I'm gonna be playing today. But
• 46:22
  yeah, the kickers are my favorite in that range. Evert fine probably be
• 46:25
  overweight more Mayer than I will ever because of the ownership, to be honest.
• 46:29
  And then the other question is do the prop makers even though because they
• 46:32
  just throw the numbers out because they're like, let's make this easy, Like
• 46:36
  we actually don't know shit either on this one, so let's just make them
• 46:38
  all similar and let the public decide and go from there and whoever gets it
• 46:42
  right gets right. So but I do trust them because they're taking a hell
• 46:45
  of a lot more money than anybody else who's taking money on the show.
• 46:49
  I'm with you, though it's funny. I agree on hered percent. Anything
• 46:52
  else you want to add there, if not Kickers DS, you guys can
• 46:55
  start throwing your scores into the chat and then Hoop will all to talk FanDuel
• 47:00
  after. But go go kickers d's first. If you got anything to add
• 47:02
  on them, well, first, I will say that is one hundred percent
• 47:05
  true, but that is everybody doing that same thing. Salary doesn't mean much
• 47:07
  white right there, So you definitely don't need to go down there. And
• 47:10
  yes, another day, I don't know why I always beat all content.
• 47:14
  We got it. Yeah, you're right. Definitely definitely like the kickers over
• 47:19
  the defenses. Really like Dicker. I mean I think I think Dicker is
• 47:22
  a phenomenal plays missed like what one field goal all season long? And Carlson
• 47:29
  has a big leg too, So I'm very interested in both kickers defense.
• 47:34
  You know, I'll do my do my standard. I'll be underweight on them,
• 47:37
  you know, won't be fading just because of how nasty this game could
• 47:40
  potentially be. But I will be underweight on both the Raiders and the Chargers
• 47:45
  of defense. And in terms of what sort of ownership they get. Again,
• 47:49
  it's always higher. It's always higher than anyone's projecting out there, So
• 47:52
  keep that in mind. Over on fan duel, just kind of pulling this
• 47:58
  up for the first time. Oh okay, so yeah, stick is five
• 48:00
  K. So that's the first thing that stands out. I'm looking at this
• 48:04
  for the first time. Easton stick there, it is five thousand dollars for
• 48:07
  a nice little Easton hockey stick. There. He will be I don't know,
• 48:13
  like just massively massively owned a quarterback at five K. You know,
• 48:17
  tough to avoid obviously, but he'll he'll get a lot of ownership. The
• 48:22
  pricing is beyond soft obviously because of these quarterbacks. Eckler's the most expensive at
• 48:28
  fourteen K, DeVante Adams twelve five. You'll you'll just see straight all star
• 48:34
  teams with with stick. It's going to be stick with Eckler, O'Connell Adams.
• 48:38
  They did get Samir White up there, which is surprising. They have
• 48:40
  him at ten K, which I don't know. I guess it probably depends
• 48:45
  on when their pricing came out. But all these fringe guys are going to
• 48:49
  come in lower on because of the Austin stick. So guys like Palmer's five
• 48:53
  why does fan to even offer a package for a showdown Joshua Palmer's five K
• 49:00
  as well? I don't know. Just whatever, man, do we really
• 49:04
  need to talk about it anymore? Wait stick, I'm seeing a stick thirteen
• 49:07
  K Palmer five K'm looking at it wrong. Maybe my actual FANDUELP Yeah,
• 49:16
  pull it up and see K. I do see stick at thirteen K.
• 49:22
  Though not a serious show today if you play fand if you play Fandel in
• 49:28
  general, I mean showdown. Yeah, I really don't. We're not talking
• 49:35
  anymore FanDuel today. I don't just play whatever you want, it's stupid.
• 49:38
  The thing is, there's definitely like actionable content here. What we're saying is
• 49:44
  not just that it's the bad game. It's like how we apply It's all
• 49:45
  gonna come down to how you apply it and making it make sense. At
• 49:50
  the end of the day, you have to start with your captains. I
• 49:52
  think that's one of the spots we already talked about where it's like, if
• 49:54
  you can just get different at captain, you could probably do it. But
• 49:58
  like there is legitimate, like there's there's other shit that can happen today.
• 50:01
  That's just gonna mess everything up. So it's like a maybe it is a
• 50:05
  spot like we always say, like, oh, you got to grind every
• 50:07
  slate and play it. There's no way you could just play lighter or take
• 50:10
  a slate off. I'm not taking a slate off. I can tell you
• 50:13
  that. But it's NFL. You gotta play through it. But you do
• 50:15
  have to keep this stuff top of mind. If you don't feel as strongly
• 50:19
  about it or you don't feel as comfortable with it, it's okay to play
• 50:22
  a little bit less or gamble a little bit more because you're playing a little
• 50:25
  bit less and say, you know what, I'm gonna play a little bit
• 50:28
  less, but I'm gonna gamble. I'm gonna think that Jimmy g comes into
• 50:30
  the game, or I'm gonna play no Zamir White because everybody's on him and
• 50:34
  I'm gonna do that on my twenty lineups. Or I'm gonna go all in
• 50:36
  on the captain like Gerald Everett and hope that it's him and if he gets
• 50:38
  a touchdown and seven catches tonight, it's a big game. That's gonna break
• 50:43
  the slate that way. And I got twenty outs to it in my three
• 50:45
  dollars twenty max with a one hundred k off top, which, by the
• 50:46
  way, you all should be playing in that so title, I'll let you
• 50:51
  find the first score or any comments that you want to keep the fun going
• 50:54
  here making fun of people and old school movie appearances and Easton sticks. But
• 50:59
  I'm to talk about this real quick as always, using run the sims,
• 51:04
  go to the showdown captain mode. We're gonna plug in the score. We're
• 51:06
  gonna put in the settings, which are ten thousand simulations. We're gonna get
• 51:09
  our optimal results and go through it all with you guys. Title, what
• 51:13
  do you got for the first score that we're gonna pot. We're gonna do
• 51:15
  six team. I don't know if that'll get us weird with field goals.
• 51:17
  I feel like, what about that? What do you think seventeen or sixteen?
• 51:20
  It's up to seventeen sixteen will probably get the kickers on like a sfet
• 51:24
  so like defenses might be all right, seventeen thirteen. Let's run this out.
• 51:32
  What did Tokyo say? Tokyo had a good thought here. Let's see,
• 51:35
  I'm just playing this straight up like nothing is gonna happen. Gonna get
• 51:37
  different, but that's not I mean, that's like the majority. We're in
• 51:40
  a bubble here making fun of shit, putting up sticks on the page,
• 51:44
  talking about Astventura. Everyone's playing it straight up. No one's getting weird tonight.
• 51:47
  It's just we're talking about that because we have nothing better to make fun
• 51:52
  of than this, Like it's just one of those stupid slates. So uh
• 51:54
  yeah, playing it straight up is gonna be like everybody else. And that's
• 51:58
  why you're gonna see those captains very condensed doing all that. It is what
• 52:01
  it is that that's definitely how that stick ownership's wrong. So just definitely,
• 52:07
  he ain't gonna be three unless you disagree to him about No, No,
• 52:10
  he'll be he'll be higher than that, for sure. Yeah, he's gonna
• 52:14
  be higher. I just I kind of like agree that. I think these
• 52:15
  are closer to right, Like I really think people are gonna get heavy on
• 52:19
  these guys. Maybe not as high, but yeah, Zameir White maybe higher
• 52:23
  than this, Yeah, I think maybe. But you can still see even
• 52:29
  if sticks fifty percent in the flex and let's just say six at captain,
• 52:32
  I mean, it still likes it at both captain and the and the flex
• 52:37
  so you can go ahead that sticks out' got to that one. Yeah,
• 52:46
  Yeah, you know, he's got so many ready to roll. He just
• 52:49
  doesn't he just doesn't want to do it today. He doesn't have it in
• 52:52
  him today. Man. I just it's really tough on this one. Like
• 52:55
  I'm trying to have as much fun as possible, keep things engaged, honestly.
• 53:00
  Yeah, the plane will be up, It'll be dialed. After I
• 53:04
  get off of this. I'm really gonna hone in and get everything finalized and
• 53:07
  have it all up on the site. But yeah, like this to me
• 53:08
  at least looks right. Though these numbers can be wrong. On the captain
• 53:14
  ownership for those that haven't seen it, it's the player, the position,
• 53:16
  their price, What run the sims has the mat as a flex ownership,
• 53:21
  what run the sims has the mat in the captain? Then it's their total
• 53:23
  combined number, which is obvious, and then it's in the simulations. The
• 53:28
  ten thousand sims, how often do they show up in the optimal lineup while
• 53:31
  the flex eastern sticks shown up fifty three percent of the time, twenty three
• 53:36
  at the captain. In this result of a seventeen thirteen chargers win and then
• 53:39
  total rate same and then shows where the leverage is at. But I do
• 53:44
  think this is right title, like these are your captains tonight? Yeah,
• 53:47
  I agree, I just dropped off the cliff. You just have to figure
• 53:50
  out how you're dispersing it up here. What do you see like with these
• 53:53
  numbers, where do you see them coming in at? Roughly? I think
• 53:58
  sticks could probably be like fifty something in the flex fifty percent. Captain is
• 54:01
  not the craziest, maybe six, But like Abdullah's smashing the page, Like,
• 54:06
  I don't think he comes in three percent in the Flex and no percent
• 54:08
  in the Captain. So it just it's always I mean, when when something
• 54:12
  feels too good to be true, it probably is. When you see something
• 54:15
  way out there forty percent leverage all like, something probably is a little different.
• 54:20
  You don't want that, Like, I just don't know how how it'd
• 54:22
  come in three and thirty two percent. But that's the main one. I
• 54:25
  do agree with you, though, Sti or Davante. There's a mere white.
• 54:30
  The ecklers are by far going to be the highest, and it has
• 54:32
  that maybe I think some mere might might be a little higher. In the
• 54:36
  Captain. It was mainly just the flex for stick really stuck out, stuck
• 54:40
  out, stick out, and then the stick stuck out. I will say
• 54:46
  this this is low, way too low. But I also think one of
• 54:51
  the challenges with this getting very high in Captain is that who do you like
• 54:54
  people. Obviously, you can plug an Eckler as a receiver and you fit
• 54:57
  him because you have the money. But after that, I don't know people
• 55:00
  feel as comfortable because again it's where it gets uncomfortable for most is like Everett
• 55:06
  Johnston, Palmer Parham if he plays get and ericson like, they just don't
• 55:10
  feel as good about that. So to me, it's gonna be the other
• 55:13
  way around. The chat mentioned like, you could go O'Connell captain instead,
• 55:19
  and you know he shows negative leverage here in this game flow, but it's
• 55:22
  a seventeen thirteen game. If you think people are gonna play Adams and people
• 55:25
  are gonna play Zamir White, then O'Connell would be perfect leverage right there in
• 55:29
  the middle as far as price, right there in the leverage spot of you
• 55:32
  can still get Devonte Adams and Zamir White in there. So yeah, I
• 55:36
  like that call too. I guess that's an angle. I feel better about
• 55:38
  Stick just because I thought less people will be on him. I still think
• 55:40
  that's true, not to that number of three percent, but I do kind
• 55:44
  of like that angle that was brought up. And there he is the man,
• 55:47
  much more important anything else we're talking about, but popping into the factory
• 55:52
  to say good luck, zero lineups. Even our guy double B is not
• 55:54
  interested in this. Throwing a pinch, a Copenhagen and a hammer out as
• 55:58
  many as I can, captain for the win, and then Paul came through
• 56:02
  with it. Stick at Nation might have to get something the captain. Now
• 56:10
  he's got a higher rushing prop than Joshua Kelly nineteen and a half. He
• 56:15
  has a little I wouldn't call wheels, but you can replace them. Maybe
• 56:20
  I wasn't gonna but now I'm gonna. Jimmy's not even gonna get nothing like
• 56:25
  people are talking about it. It's just in this bubble and they're not even
• 56:28
  gonna go there. I'm saying it, titles saying it, are you actually
• 56:31
  no? I hope for my best. The only thing is like if O'Connor's
• 56:35
  really bad, I wouldn't be surprised if they do that. But you need
• 56:37
  so much to go right, and you're still not guaranteed to win anything.
• 56:40
  So no, I'm not gonna do it. But it does limit my It
• 56:44
  makes me like Stick way more than O'Connell, there is no doubt about that.
• 56:46
  But no, yeah, all right, hoop, what score you got
• 56:51
  man, let's go back. I don't I don't have anything else to add
• 56:52
  here with this one. We can do one more score. That's give the
• 56:55
  people there over that they're asking for the Raiders in and over, try and
• 56:59
  find a raider is over twenty four to twenty one Raiders? How about that?
• 57:04
  They actually they did like the Chargers side, but they've been wrong on
• 57:07
  that every time. So let's say they're right, will be over, but
• 57:08
  they're wrong on the side, So let's go twenty five. No, we
• 57:13
  got it. We need to beat them by more than three though. It
• 57:15
  can't be a push. Twenty one. Yeah, twenty seven one, Here
• 57:22
  you go, you over Sickos forty eight points on the board. Here,
• 57:25
  it's gonna jump it up twenty seven to twenty one for the Raiders. Tweezy
• 57:31
  things. Adams will stick out. It definitely wills stick stick out. Outside.
• 57:37
  You gotta end this show. Immediately or a coincidence. No, definitely
• 57:43
  sticks out. Look at this stick out. I'm using the same word and
• 57:46
  saying the dude's last night. Yeah, no, we gotta quit doing that,
• 57:50
  all right, he's gon stick We get it. It's gonna pump him
• 57:53
  up either way. No matter what you think. This captain gets to like.
• 57:57
  It does like him, so we'll go from there. But like O'Connell
• 58:00
  pops up in this build, so the more points we get. Funny enough
• 58:04
  is Adams. I don't know if these numbers are good either, forty and
• 58:07
  twenty five, but still he goes he goes under on both right, so
• 58:13
  it's still he's in there a bunch sixty two percent overall, but he's under
• 58:16
  on both Zamir White pops up more often. Eckler just gets crushed in this
• 58:22
  one for whatever reason. If I go back to the inputs, I'm just
• 58:25
  curious. Eckler forty seven percent of the rush market share and forty five percent
• 58:30
  of the touchdown rushing only. I guess that's fair though, like almost fifteen
• 58:35
  percent for the pass catching it. It's about right. So it just doesn't
• 58:37
  like Eckler as much as others might. And then Palmer is another guy,
• 58:44
  Palmer and Abdullah gets some boosts there title anything more you see with this one?
• 58:47
  No, it's not like in the Quinston Johnson's. The defense obviously the
• 58:52
  defense in the script like this, No, nothing really sticks out. I'm
• 58:55
  still scrolled down a bit. Let's see the Ericson's the Renfros of the world.
• 59:00
  And you know what, you can play the Ick lineup, the all
• 59:04
  Ick lineup is what it's uh stick Ericson and Dicker Kicker. Yeah, Dicker
• 59:12
  the kicker, get the triple lick On and play those three in the same
• 59:15
  lineup together. What what do you see down here, Daniel Carlson the worst
• 59:17
  play on the board. Yeah, that's what it looks like. They uh,
• 59:22
  I just very small leverage, the Spillers, the Tuckers, the Rickson's.
• 59:27
  I guess a little negative party. We did twenty one points right,
• 59:30
  three touchdown or sorry, we did twenty seven for them, So it's like
• 59:35
  close enough that it might be uh me might be the reason why. But
• 59:37
  yeah, yeah, forty six hundred. If the game's going over that much,
• 59:42
  you'd expect someone in that range. The Johnson's average somewhere in that range.
• 59:45
  Probably don't score him. But yeah, nothing too surprising. I'm coming
• 59:49
  in with the same plan I had. I like uh I guess broad slide
• 59:52
  overview to wrap it up right here, I like uh or, I don't
• 59:55
  like O'Connell as much. I like the other side. I like the wide
• 59:59
  receiver three, the Ericson's the Renfros. I'll definitely be playing Adams Eckler love
• 1:00:04
  the Kickers. Probably won't have sa Mere White at captain. That'll be one
• 1:00:07
  of my big stands. And yeah, I mean just it's a gross game.
• 1:00:12
  I'll be leaving money on the table like always and trying to mix in
• 1:00:15
  a low one piece or two. So when I do win, hopefully it
• 1:00:17
  is with as few people as possible. But I'd love to share with anybody
• 1:00:21
  watching or you two. Yeah, I like this comment too. Just remember
• 1:00:24
  the Raiders lost three nothing last game. This might be a ten point total
• 1:00:29
  tonight that we end up seeing. We'll see, but I will try and
• 1:00:32
  say something actionable and then I'll let Hoop get his final thoughts. One way.
• 1:00:36
  I use this tool as well, and title already hit on this earlier,
• 1:00:38
  just naturally just saying it, But this tool does help me with this
• 1:00:42
  kind of thought is like the total rate matters. You know what I say
• 1:00:45
  all the time, Like someone goes here and goes, oh, it hates
• 1:00:46
  Adams because it shows a negative five at captain and it shows a negative two,
• 1:00:52
  it still loves him. He's still twenty percent of the time showing up
• 1:00:53
  in the Captain. He's showing up at almost sixty five percent of the lineups.
• 1:00:58
  It doesn't hate him, but just you see a neg and you think
• 1:01:00
  that. But what I look at is down here titled too, where it's
• 1:01:02
  like what you said, you just don't need those. They're not shown up
• 1:01:07
  in ten thousand simulations in any build. And this score, the other score
• 1:01:10
  that we showed, you can run a bunch of different scores. It's saying
• 1:01:15
  that the lineup is up here, and it's not what's going to have.
• 1:01:17
  It's just saying over the long term, so if you're playing this game that
• 1:01:21
  way, then you know you plan on being in it for a while.
• 1:01:23
  I do look at that a little bit more that would be actionable to me
• 1:01:25
  that I don't see a lot of these one offs even being required unless they
• 1:01:30
  do something substantial in this game, like one touchdown. Everyone knows thinks,
• 1:01:34
  oh, they're going to be needed now, but they might not. Like
• 1:01:37
  you still see a lot of volume guys up here in quarterbacks and running backs
• 1:01:39
  and receivers and tight ends stuff that could just outdo them by the end of
• 1:01:44
  the game. So that would just be my final thoughts. Yeah, I
• 1:01:46
  think that was very sharp. I mean, salary doesn't mean if you want
• 1:01:50
  to click all the like the Spens, you get the Ecklers, you get
• 1:01:52
  the Adams, the quarterbacks, but it falls off pretty quickly. And was
• 1:01:57
  starting running back on a favorite team at three K you really don't need those
• 1:02:00
  all these cheapies down below. Again, I'll mix them in, mixing and
• 1:02:04
  matching them because they'll be so much lower on and when they hit, Like
• 1:02:07
  you said, if renfro if Parham catches one for ten and falls in the
• 1:02:10
  box, White can easily sell it score him. What if he runs twenty
• 1:02:14
  rushes for one hundred yards and he gets the bonus that way? So yeah,
• 1:02:16
  I mean it's the big thing is whoever you're punting with, is how
• 1:02:21
  I'm looking at It needs to be able to outscore as a mere White is
• 1:02:23
  kind of what I'm thinking down here. Yeah, And also to that point
• 1:02:28
  is if you are going to go to Mere White Captain heavy tonight, which
• 1:02:30
  I understand why you might you want to do it differently. That's when I
• 1:02:32
  would then revert to this. Also again, it's like my angle, I
• 1:02:36
  always say with our NBA projections or any of our projections on the site,
• 1:02:38
  it's like, well, you said trust the projections. That means I want
• 1:02:43
  to jam the guy that's the top value on the site. Well, sometimes
• 1:02:45
  I'm getting information from that that I'm using in a lot of places, but
• 1:02:49
  I'm also leveraging off that knowing that everyone else is going there. When I'm
• 1:02:52
  seeing that nobody is really playing these plays because they're not popping in sims,
• 1:02:55
  they're not popping in projections, they're not doing anything else, then these would
• 1:03:00
  actually be the place I would try and make make sense with the light ups
• 1:03:02
  where I'm using as a Mere White Captain if I was going there. So
• 1:03:06
  that's kind of the point too, where you can use these to your advantage
• 1:03:09
  in more ways than one. Hoop. I'll kick it over to you man.
• 1:03:13
  Final thoughts on anything else for the slate. Obviously you got the Marino
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• 1:03:20
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• 1:03:23
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• 1:03:28
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• 1:03:31
  high variance. You know, I'm gonna dig in a little bit more here
• 1:03:34
  and get my content up pretty quickly here after the show, see see what
• 1:03:37
  I can find. You know, it is it is refreshing to know that
• 1:03:43
  in terms of the Captain ownership, it's three guys, like it is three
• 1:03:45
  guys that are going to soak up all the ownership at Captain. So it
• 1:03:50
  is a slate where you can just immediately get different and I think that's something
• 1:03:54
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• 1:03:58
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