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Golden Boy From YA Author AJ Symon Finally Proof Your Dog Is Human · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is AJ Simon.
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  Speaker 1: AJ Simon. This dude that's gonna have a superstar movie
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  Speaker 1: right after this book becomes everybody's instant favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, please pay for that. Thank you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, what you do with this story? You
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  Speaker 1: know first of all, and you know I sat there
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  Speaker 1: all the way through this book going, well, my dog
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  Speaker 1: must be a must be a human I just don't
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  Speaker 1: have all the chemicals to make him a human body yet.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like you, you just make it sound so
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  Speaker 1: believable because we we all really got into this story.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, thank you. That's so that's so nice of
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  Speaker 2: me to say.
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  Speaker 1: So, now, where did the idea come from? Because I
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  Speaker 1: know that stories usually hit the authors in places that
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  Speaker 1: we just can't expect. All of a sudden. It's like
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  Speaker 1: you show up and say, oh, I guess I'm writing
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  Speaker 1: a new book today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean this this came to me.
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  Speaker 3: I was playing fetch with my dog. I was playing fetch,
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  Speaker 3: he was playing keep away. Yes, so if you tried
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  Speaker 3: to get something away from a dog who didn't want
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  Speaker 3: you to have it, you kind of know what that's like.
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  Speaker 2: He would he would just kind of come up to.
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  Speaker 3: Me about a foot away and just stand there with
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  Speaker 3: the grin on his face and the ball drooling out
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  Speaker 3: of his mouth. And I'd reached for it, and he'd
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  Speaker 3: turn his head just enough so I couldn't get it,
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  Speaker 3: and i'd like kind of reached again, he'd turn it
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  Speaker 3: the other way, and then finally I would like lunge
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  Speaker 3: at him and he'd just shoot off across the backyard
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  Speaker 3: like a rocket. And this one time he just he
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  Speaker 3: actually came up and put the ball right between my
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  Speaker 3: feet and just kind of looked at me. And I
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  Speaker 3: reached down for it and my hands like an inch
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  Speaker 3: away from the ball. He snatches it and darts between
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  Speaker 3: my legs. You hear him saying, like psych.
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  Speaker 2: And I looked at him. After an hour of that,
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  Speaker 2: I was exhausted, and he was still rare to go wow.
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  Speaker 2: And I just thought, well, I just thought, well, if
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  Speaker 2: if that dog was human, he would be an amazing
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  Speaker 2: running back.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna ask you if this is the reason why
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  Speaker 1: you made him a football hero exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was like, that dog should play football.
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  Speaker 2: He was amazing. I mean, that was that was the
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  Speaker 2: seed of the idea.
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  Speaker 1: But see, that's what I mean about this whole entire book,
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  Speaker 1: just that one little short story there, and we're all
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  Speaker 1: going yep, yep, can relate. Oh yeah, I've been there before.
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  Speaker 1: And so then when you hold a book in your
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  Speaker 1: hands and you've got it, doesn't matter how old you are,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be able to laugh and giggle like
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  Speaker 1: a child with this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope. So, I mean I wrote it. I
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  Speaker 2: wrote it really.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's for young readers, but in
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  Speaker 3: my mind I had this sort of Norman Rockwell vision
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  Speaker 3: of you know, the whole family sitting around the fireplace,
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  Speaker 3: each person reading a little bit out loud.
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  Speaker 2: For each other.
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  Speaker 3: You know, just everyone now is so you know, we're
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  Speaker 3: all of these bubbles with our phones sort of consuming
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  Speaker 3: what the algorithm tells us to consume, so hopefully that
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  Speaker 3: the book will be be that well.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many different Norman Rockwell things in here, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up because I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: mean one of the things that I just instantly fell
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  Speaker 1: in love with. Bonds are created by being fearlessly honest.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that that you sure those are adult words,
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  Speaker 1: but that's the kind of stuff that you plant inside
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  Speaker 1: a young adult, is what you do. And all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden now they have a purpose and a plan
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  Speaker 1: because they're seeing it right there in the words.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Yes, yeah, I am. I I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to think of all the all this stuff. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think the thing that I loved about it is
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  Speaker 3: that dogs. I don't know if you have a dog,
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  Speaker 3: but yes, they teach us to be better human beings.
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  Speaker 3: Like they're better like this dog is a better human
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  Speaker 3: being than most human beings are. You know, they're just
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  Speaker 3: always they know how to seize the moment. They're just
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  Speaker 3: full of unconditional love. And that's sort of of you know,
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  Speaker 3: all the whole story is sort of built upon that.
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  Speaker 3: And he touches you know, everyone in the family from
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  Speaker 3: you know, the main character of Emma and her dad,
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  Speaker 3: of course.
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  Speaker 2: Who's just sort of this hard, you know, very.
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  Speaker 3: Closed off football coach, and their two sons, and then
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  Speaker 3: you know, the whole town. They all sort of learned
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  Speaker 3: lessons just from being in the presence of this being
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  Speaker 3: who's just pure joy and love.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now, doesn't Emma also prove in a way that
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  Speaker 1: you know, we all have these crazy little dreams as
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  Speaker 1: young adults or even younger than that, and then something
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  Speaker 1: happens and all of a sudden, you still have to
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  Speaker 1: Now Emma's got to figure out how to get things
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  Speaker 1: back to normal again. But we all have those dreams
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  Speaker 1: where God, if only this happened, Oh, if only this happened, Well,
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  Speaker 1: what would happen if we were like Emma and it
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  Speaker 1: did happen?
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  Speaker 2: Mm exactly. That's that was my you know.
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  Speaker 3: I I've had dogs in my life and I've always
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  Speaker 3: especially when your dog is sick, there's nothing you want
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  Speaker 3: more than to be able to say, like tell me
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  Speaker 3: what's wrong, like what's going on, and you just can't
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  Speaker 3: and you feel so helpless.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the feeling she has at the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: the book.
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  Speaker 3: You know, because the dogs stick and she just wants
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  Speaker 3: nothing more than to just help her dog.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, now the name Bud, what I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: so simple and yet I'm shaking my head up and
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  Speaker 1: down going But it's perfect because you could have gone
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  Speaker 1: in any direction in the world by naming the dog.
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  Speaker 1: But Bud Hudson. Is that that's it? I mean that
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  Speaker 1: that's a perfect name for Bud.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just well, that's you know, because down the
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  Speaker 3: South everyone calls each other bud yep.
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  Speaker 2: Are you down there?
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  Speaker 1: Are you down here in the South. I'm here in Charlotte.
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  Speaker 1: Where you at?
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  Speaker 3: I'm in a small town outside Atlanta called Barnesville. It's
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  Speaker 3: just a little bit north of Maicon, So I live. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I live in a small town. So I know, I
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  Speaker 3: know this whole milliere of that where Golden Boy takes place.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, did you have visions of turning this
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  Speaker 1: into some sort of short film or even a you know,
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  Speaker 1: a documentary sorts, or just even my god, some animated
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  Speaker 1: play that could be you know that could go wild
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  Speaker 1: on Netflix.
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  Speaker 2: Well that would be fun.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, I've been I've been writing
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  Speaker 3: for decades and so when I first when I first
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  Speaker 3: got the idea. You know, I've written in TV and
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  Speaker 3: some it was my first book. I've written in TV
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  Speaker 3: and film and radio and live for years.
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  Speaker 2: And when I.
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  Speaker 3: First conceived of this, I just thought of it as
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  Speaker 3: sort of like a really cool vehicle for someone like
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  Speaker 3: Viim Carrey or Will Ferrell, you know, just be like
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  Speaker 3: big Philly slapstick kind of a thing, more of like
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  Speaker 3: an adult comedy.
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  Speaker 2: And it wasn't until you know, a couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: Ago, when I finally was like I latched onto this
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  Speaker 3: as like this needs to be a kid in the book.
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  Speaker 2: This should be just.
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  Speaker 3: A really sweet, warm, funny, cozy book. And that's where
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  Speaker 3: that's where it came. But obviously, I mean it started
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  Speaker 3: out in my head as a movie.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, who do you have in mind if you could
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  Speaker 1: turn this into an actor's dream? Is there an actor
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  Speaker 1: that you have in mind to play Bud? Because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's just one of those things where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: because I do that with my writing, I sit there
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  Speaker 1: and I put like little pictures up and that'll be this.
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  Speaker 1: Why I'm talking about this is the story about this person,
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  Speaker 1: even though it's not really about them, It's about what
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  Speaker 1: I see in them as being an actor.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, right now, I can't. I can't think of anybody.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone that I had thought of is too old now,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, I would think of someone like Brad
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  Speaker 3: Pitt when he was, you know, first starting out.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of how I would have imagined Bud looking
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Emma, I always picture in my head. Do you
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  Speaker 3: know Sady Sink from Stranger Thing. Yes, she was in
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  Speaker 3: my head the whole time I was writing.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you that. I'll give you that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, please don't move. There's more with Aj Simon
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  Speaker 1: coming up next. The name of the book, Golden Boy.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna love this from aj Simon. It's almost like
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  Speaker 1: he's an old soul. So it's almost like you could
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  Speaker 1: have a third party in there. And of course I'm
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  Speaker 1: sitting there and when I was reading through, I actually
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  Speaker 1: heard Russell Crowe's voice because I love the accent. I
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  Speaker 1: love his attitude. Nobody would ever think that he could
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  Speaker 1: pull off something funny, but you know, darn good and
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  Speaker 1: well he could because he's got the the attitude for
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  Speaker 1: something like that. So it's say, my god, my mind
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  Speaker 1: was going everywhere with this book.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Wow, that's that actually would be cool, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many things they can do these days.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many options with you know, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, I mean, I'm you know, with animation or live
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  Speaker 3: action or some combination of both.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be it would be interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I really, I mean, I really really hope it does,
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  Speaker 3: because I'm I'm kind of dying personally just to figure out, like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: who would play yeah this because it would be it
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  Speaker 3: is sort of like that kind of a role I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, shouldn't be big with Tom Hanks.
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  Speaker 2: You know how he felt great he was playing a boy. Ye,
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  Speaker 2: it's like that kind of a that kind of a part.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, but but he has to be young,
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  Speaker 3: so that's even more of a challenge.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Nan, I also, in fact, my wife and I
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  Speaker 1: gotten this huge conversation it had to be somebody from
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  Speaker 1: Home Improvement of that one of the kids on there.
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  Speaker 1: But then I did research on that and they're all
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  Speaker 1: grown adults with almost their own kids nowadays. I'm going,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's good. Oh, I know, but man,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't It gets you rocking, is what it does. Going, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: who could play this role? Who could do it. Who
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  Speaker 1: could do it?
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, yeah, well, I mean there's so many there's so
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  Speaker 3: many undiscovered amazing talents.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who would have known when they were casting
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  Speaker 2: you know, Harry Potter years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like how amazing those kids are and how amazing
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  Speaker 3: the kids and stranger things are when they were cast
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  Speaker 3: they were so young, but they're just all so brilliant.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's just so much young talent that the
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  Speaker 3: right person will come. That's the way I'm a I'm
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  Speaker 3: a I'm a little bit wooo.
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  Speaker 2: That way I kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Feel like things the doors open and the right the
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  Speaker 3: right things happen when they're supposed to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Now, who in your life is known for the quotes?
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why is because you've got another quote
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  Speaker 1: in this that really really rocked my world. Life is simple,
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  Speaker 1: chase your dreams And here's the here's the twister that
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  Speaker 1: I love up show people your life. How many people
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  Speaker 1: actually do that? Because you know, as an author, how
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  Speaker 1: many books did you hide from the world before you
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  Speaker 1: finally took that chance?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I think, to be.
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  Speaker 3: Honest, I think I grew up sort of hiding whatever
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  Speaker 3: it must be me and hiding whatever was inside me.
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  Speaker 3: Because both of my parents were scientists.
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  Speaker 2: They both taught at Emory. The one was taught chemistry
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  Speaker 2: and one taught biochemistry.
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  Speaker 3: So we were very academic, unfeeling kind of old, not
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  Speaker 3: to be not to sound negative, but you know, that
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  Speaker 3: was just the way. That's just the way my parents were.
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  Speaker 3: They were both very cut and dried, no emotion. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you sort of dealt with everything on your own.
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  Speaker 2: So I think a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot of that comes out in this book, but a
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  Speaker 3: lot of that also, you know, you end up hiding,
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  Speaker 3: you know, your feelings and having dealing with them, having
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  Speaker 3: to deal with them yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, are you going to stay inside this genre?
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  Speaker 2: I think so.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm my next book takes place in the
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  Speaker 3: same universe, but it takes place in the nineteen seventies
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  Speaker 3: with Emma's granddad is when he's a team.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm working.
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  Speaker 3: I actually do have a deal for a sequel to
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  Speaker 3: this book with the same characters, but that's going to
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  Speaker 3: take a while to really Joe, So I'm just kind
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  Speaker 3: of staying and building a little bit of backstory.
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  Speaker 2: To Golden Boys. So, Wow, I'm excited. I'm excited about
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  Speaker 2: halfway through that book.
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  Speaker 1: What do you know about the nineteen seventies. You sound
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  Speaker 1: like you're barely twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: No, I wish no, no, no no. I grew up
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  Speaker 2: in the seventies. I was in elementary school.
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  Speaker 3: I was in that I was in elementary school from
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  Speaker 3: I graduated elementary school in seventy nine, started high.
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  Speaker 2: School in nineteen eighty. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So my whole young career was in the seventies. So
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  Speaker 3: it was just to me, I just love that era. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because the tech is so basic and it's
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  Speaker 3: so easy for kids to get in trouble because no
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  Speaker 3: one was watching them. They don't have phones, they don't
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  Speaker 3: have parents. You know, it's just a really fun I
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  Speaker 3: think it's.
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  Speaker 2: Really easy for kids to get into trouble back then. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Plus, school school libraries were also more functional back then
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  Speaker 1: as where I mean, we all went in there just
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  Speaker 1: to not only just look at the books, but we'd
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  Speaker 1: go into the library for chess games and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: But it was still the books that drew us into
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  Speaker 1: the library, And a book like this would be one
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  Speaker 1: of those that I would wait on a waiting list
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  Speaker 1: to get it, I really would.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's awesome. Well, thank you, thank you. Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 2: I loved. I went to our school library all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I read all those books, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: starting with Harold and the Purple Crayon, through Beesus and Ramona,
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  Speaker 3: and I got into Judy Bloom, but they didn't have those.
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  Speaker 2: In our library at that time. I had to sink those.
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  Speaker 3: I also read The Shining when I was probably like
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  Speaker 3: gone in sixth grade or something.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever that came out. I can't believe my parents let
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  Speaker 2: me read it.
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  Speaker 1: God, Well, there you go. There's your next one with
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  Speaker 1: you know, with Bud. You know, you know, Bud's going
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  Speaker 1: to be the one that's going to be starting in
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  Speaker 1: a movie like that. You know, Okay, he's gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put him in a scary scene where it involved
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  Speaker 1: in old hotel that nobody's living at.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Yan, that was. That was fun.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm miss being a kid, I'll tell you that much.
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's why I like writing writing books for
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  Speaker 3: young people.
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  Speaker 1: Are you getting the opportunity to go around to different
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  Speaker 1: schools down there in Georgia to read it just so
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  Speaker 1: people can get a reaction out of it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I will be once it once it publishes on
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  Speaker 3: the twenty fifth of August. Yes, So once that hits,
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  Speaker 3: then I'll be I'm starting here in Lamar County where
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  Speaker 3: I live, and then expanding out toward Atlanta and Charleston
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  Speaker 3: and Savannah, and I'll be going out to New Orleans.
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  Speaker 3: So you've got a bunch of different schools I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to be speaking at. So I'm excited. I'm excited about that.
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  Speaker 3: Although I have had.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, younger people that I know have
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  Speaker 2: read it and they enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's quite the book, it really is. And
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of those books that's gonna get
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  Speaker 1: kids ready for school because they're going to need something
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  Speaker 1: in August.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna you know, get them all activated and ready
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  Speaker 1: to rock again. And so you know, they walk into
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  Speaker 1: that first day of school and they've got this in
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  Speaker 1: their book bag. God dang, that's a good step right there, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And hopefully we'll get them wanting to play
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  Speaker 2: football or team sports too.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to you. Where can people go to find out
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  Speaker 1: more about everything that you're doing? Growing forward?
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  Speaker 3: Ajsimon dot com and Simon is spelled with a Y
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  Speaker 3: S Y m O N. Although just you know, if
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  Speaker 3: you misspell it with an idol still readirect there.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Now, where does the Y come from in your name?
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Because that's the first time I've ever seen it that way.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: My family is Australian.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: Back in the grandparents or my grandfather was Australian, So
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: that's where the why I came from.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Wow, well, dude, you're gonna have to come back to
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: this show and talk more about your writing and your
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: books and things. Man, I really appreciate you taking the time.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you. So I'm honored to be on here. Thank
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: you so much. I really appreciate it.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you