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Patriots Catch-22 10/20: Jets Breakdown - The Good, The Bad, The Stuff that Gets You Beat · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch 22 podcast with Evan Lazar
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  Speaker 1: and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Evan Lazar.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Evan Lazar.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Evan Lazar.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Nailed it.
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  Speaker 2: Joined, as always, by our Barth.
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  Speaker 1: That's a pitch.
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  Speaker 2: That's a match. No risk it. No risk it. 22.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of work has to go into things like
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  Speaker 3: managing the run game right now, and we'd love to
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  Speaker 3: just see them be able to get some momentum going
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  Speaker 3: felt like they were getting it last week and then
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  Speaker 3: as soon as they do out goes Henderson yeah it's
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  Speaker 3: been two years of this and I've ranted about this
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  Speaker 3: before but and they've had some big runs but what
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  Speaker 3: they're looking at is like down to down consistency in
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  Speaker 3: the run game you know you want to see them
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  Speaker 3: get four or five yards down the field before first contact.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's all of the above. It's it's the offensive
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  Speaker 2: line blocking it's execution. It's fitting the runs to the
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  Speaker 2: style of the running backs and scheme. It's everything. Just
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  Speaker 2: be able to run the ball a little bit as
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  Speaker 2: a counter, as a, something to think about that sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing for the defense would go a long way.
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  Speaker 2: I think for this team. I knew my voice sounded
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  Speaker 2: different last week, but for a second there, I thought
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  Speaker 2: that deuce was me. And I was like, Holy crap.
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  Speaker 2: My voice really sounded different last week. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: is that me? No, it was Mike. Do you? So
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  Speaker 2: filling in for, for Barthie, who's here virtually with us, Alex,
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  Speaker 2: everybody wants to know how, how you doing, how you feeling, buddy?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, uh, I'm, I'm doing better.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing better. You sound better.
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  Speaker 1: You sound more like yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see. The voice, the last thing to come back,
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  Speaker 1: you might hear me mute myself to cough a couple times.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. But starting to turn the
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  Speaker 1: corner for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is very concerned about you. I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 2: I've had... more questions about, uh, your wellbeing, uh, in
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  Speaker 2: this last couple of days. And I've had since I've
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  Speaker 2: met you, I would say. So, uh, everyone is, uh,
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  Speaker 2: is worried about you because we know, uh, that you
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  Speaker 2: are an absolute workaholic. So it's very weird to, to
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  Speaker 2: not see you around here. Um, we got to like
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  Speaker 2: kick you out of this place most of the time. So,
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  Speaker 2: It's strange, but good to have you back virtually. I
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  Speaker 2: won't embarrass you anymore. We'll talk about this football game.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just let people know. It's killing me not to
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  Speaker 1: be there.
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  Speaker 2: I know it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be back as soon as I can be back.
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  Speaker 2: But we got you virtually, and so that means Catch-22
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  Speaker 2: is whole again. Deuce did a good job filling in
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  Speaker 2: for you, though. He got called up from the bullpen
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  Speaker 2: kind of last minute, too. I kind of sprung it
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  Speaker 2: on him a little bit, and he was able to
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  Speaker 2: pull through for us. So I really do appreciate Mike
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  Speaker 2: doing that. But let's talk about this Jets game. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get into it, because I think that this game in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ways is more interesting to talk about
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  Speaker 2: than last week, even though last week was more fun,
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  Speaker 2: maybe for some people to watch the Patriots blow out
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  Speaker 2: the Raiders. I thought this game had a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more that Mike Rabel can coach on. I wish in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ways, both personally and in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the football, that this wasn't a Thursday night football game
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  Speaker 2: coming up this week because I think there was a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things on the film that are easily correctable,
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  Speaker 2: little minor things under the hood that would go a
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  Speaker 2: long way for this Patriots team to clean up moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: that being said, I'm not overly concerned that they didn't
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  Speaker 2: blow out the jets. Alex, I thought the jets came
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  Speaker 2: into this game. Garrett Wilson called it a big expletive game.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like they, they wanted to kind of come
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  Speaker 2: in and compete and send a statement. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that the jets just aren't there yet. Like they just
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  Speaker 2: don't have the personnel to really pull off an upset
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  Speaker 2: over the Patriots. But we'll get into it. I thought
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  Speaker 2: that they coached the game pretty well from a schematic standpoint.
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  Speaker 2: And they did what they had to do to make
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  Speaker 2: this game competitive. So I'll give the Jets a little
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  Speaker 2: tiny bit of flowers. But I don't know. Maybe I'm
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  Speaker 2: being sunshine.com about it. But I'm not overly concerned that
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  Speaker 2: this wasn't another 45 to 17 blowout.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we know divisional games get like that
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  Speaker 1: from time to time, right? And sometimes you just got
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  Speaker 1: to grind out a win. two teams that are familiar
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  Speaker 1: with each other, that levels playing field a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So that was as divisional footballs, divisional football gets. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it took, you know, the coaching staff pressing some of
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  Speaker 1: the right buttons to get them over the line. I think,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the game was as close as the
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  Speaker 1: score indicates, but again, that's what these games usually come
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  Speaker 1: down to. I was talking to David Andrews on my
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  Speaker 1: podcast yesterday. How many games during the dynasty era, did
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  Speaker 1: they play the jets and they beat them by like
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  Speaker 1: a score 10 points and, you knew the Patriots were
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  Speaker 1: the better team. That's just, that's how those games go sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, a hundred percent. I think that people forget
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  Speaker 2: about that from time to time that whether it was
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  Speaker 2: the jets, obviously the dolphins over the years, even Buffalo
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  Speaker 2: at times, the Patriots played some close divisional games when
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots were the Patriots, like when they were the
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  Speaker 2: dynasty and they were humming and winning 14 games a year,
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  Speaker 2: just rolling out of bed and they would play these
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  Speaker 2: random games against, Jets even where they'd win in on
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  Speaker 2: a field goal or a blocked field goal. Remember Chris Jones?
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  Speaker 2: We saw that the other day for the first time
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  Speaker 2: in a while, like that, that Patriots team was so
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  Speaker 2: much better than that Jets team. And they still needed
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  Speaker 2: to block a field goal at the end of regulation
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  Speaker 2: to win the football game. So that's divisional football. It
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  Speaker 2: can get a little bit wonky. Sometimes this happens. I
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  Speaker 2: want to get into the good and the bad and
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that gets you beat. There's a big overarching theme, though,
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  Speaker 2: or umbrella over the Patriots right now. Rain cloud, I
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  Speaker 2: should really call it about these injuries and the injuries
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  Speaker 2: have started to really pile up tomorrow's show. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to preview the Bears game and I want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about replacing the players with the injuries. So we won't
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  Speaker 2: go too deep into that today. We'll save that for tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: But this is getting kind of crazy for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: They just put Romeo Dobbs. on injured reserve, he'll miss
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  Speaker 2: at least four games. Sounds like we're based off the
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  Speaker 2: reporting that maybe he could be back after the bi-week,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of like a six week injury. It
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  Speaker 2: sounds like for Romeo Dobbs and then three offensive linemen
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  Speaker 2: go down, uh, in the game as well. Uh, Morgan
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  Speaker 2: Moses is a trooper. Like he might, he might play
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  Speaker 2: through it, uh, on Thursday night, but Ben Brown and
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  Speaker 2: Elijah Vera Tucker would have been DNPs. if they had
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  Speaker 2: had a full practice yesterday, this is becoming, and not,
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  Speaker 2: it was already a problem, but this is becoming really
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  Speaker 2: like one of those seasons, Alex, where you, you might
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  Speaker 2: be limping here the rest of the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's, it's the opposite of last season, right? Last
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  Speaker 1: season was such an extreme to one end that they,
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  Speaker 1: they basically had this across the board, but especially on
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line, they're basically the same five guys the
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  Speaker 1: whole season. They didn't really have to change anything. And
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  Speaker 1: that's so rare. You know, this is another extreme. If
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  Speaker 1: they lost one more guy, they would have had to
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  Speaker 1: either go to who? Cameron Latu or Corey Durden or
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  Speaker 1: who the heck knows. So, getting both. But, yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: is in credit to Doug Maroney. He had those guys
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  Speaker 1: ready to go, you know, for that spot start. Now
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  Speaker 1: they'll have a few more days to prepare. It's not ideal,
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  Speaker 1: but especially Matt Pryor just got here, what, two, three
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago?
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So, really a test. that they haven't seen in some
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  Speaker 1: time of the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially on the interior. They're going to be down.
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  Speaker 2: to their fourth right guard. I think it is in
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  Speaker 2: their second left guard, but obviously Ben Brown. So really
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  Speaker 2: their third left guard too, because Ben Brown was their
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  Speaker 2: backup left guard. As we found out on Sunday, he
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  Speaker 2: flipped over and they put prior in the game, Van
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  Speaker 2: Roten's on injured reserve, Mike on when he was on
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  Speaker 2: injured reserve. Uh, this interior offensive line, uh, is, is a, uh,
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  Speaker 2: an area where this team is, uh, is really thin
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  Speaker 2: right now. And it's, really nothing you can do about it.
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  Speaker 2: Like this guy's going down with injuries. Uh, you hope
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  Speaker 2: that Ben Brown and Vera Tucker not being placed on
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  Speaker 2: injured reserve right away is an indication that maybe they
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  Speaker 2: avoided a major injury and could come back at some point, uh,
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  Speaker 2: not too long from now. Uh, we talked about this
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  Speaker 2: last week though. Uh, they also have this numbers game
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to have to worry about with bringing
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  Speaker 2: these guys back from injured reserve. As well. So you,
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  Speaker 2: even if those guys have multi-week injuries, you kind of
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  Speaker 2: have to pick and choose, you know, which guys are
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  Speaker 2: you going to put on injured reserve? Cause you can't
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  Speaker 2: bring them all back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be something that they're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to manage for the rest of the season. And
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  Speaker 1: we were texting about this yesterday and excuse me, they
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  Speaker 1: have five spots left. Because I think last week we
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  Speaker 1: said Schooler didn't count, and then you found out he
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  Speaker 1: did count.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he got some confirmation on that. Schooler does
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  Speaker 2: count because he's on NFI. I can't explain why they
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  Speaker 2: treat PUP and NFI differently in this case. I think
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  Speaker 2: it has something to do with salary and pay and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that, because technically, if a player is on NFI,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the team has to pay that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Cause it's a non football injury. So it's something to do,
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  Speaker 2: I think with, with, uh, with payment as to why
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  Speaker 2: this is a different process, but NFI players do count
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  Speaker 2: towards the return minimum. If Harold Landry gets back in his, uh,
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  Speaker 2: comes off PUP, he does not count. So they have
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  Speaker 2: used three. They've used Marcus Bryant, AJ Brown, uh, And now, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Brendan schooler. So they have five more to go. If
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  Speaker 2: they were to make the playoffs, they would get an
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  Speaker 2: additional two, uh, in the post season. So that is
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  Speaker 2: in their back pocket. Like if some of these guys
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  Speaker 2: have longer term injuries, like maybe you, you can save those,
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  Speaker 2: for potentially bringing them back in January. But we're getting
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  Speaker 2: a little ahead of ourselves, obviously, with worrying about the playoffs. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So this is something they're going to have to manage
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the year. And that's why, like when
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  Speaker 1: they put Romeo Dobbs on IR, it's eye opening because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if a guy is going to miss right
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  Speaker 1: around that four week mark, you probably just better off
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  Speaker 1: eating the roster space. I would think versus you're going
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  Speaker 1: to use IR for the guys that are out longer
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  Speaker 1: term where you're not going to get that roster spot
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  Speaker 1: back as quickly. So it feels like it's got to
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  Speaker 1: be a little more serious now for got to go
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  Speaker 1: on IR.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, I agree, and that was my first correction or
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  Speaker 2: mea culpa I'm going to do today. I have another
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  Speaker 2: one that's more football-related, but I just assumed that Brendan
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  Speaker 2: Schooler didn't count because it was a different list, and
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  Speaker 2: that was a bad assumption. So that's my bad. He
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  Speaker 2: does count. Thanks to Mike Reese, who tipped me off
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  Speaker 2: to that first, and then I was like, oh, wait
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  Speaker 2: a second, I better... I better confirm it. I better
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  Speaker 2: look into this because I was unaware of that. All right,
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: let's get into the, the good and the bad and
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  Speaker 2: the stuff gets you beat. Uh, there are, there was
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: plenty of good, uh, from this game, uh, that I
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  Speaker 2: want to highlight, but I think the, the stuff, uh,
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  Speaker 2: in the bads, especially the AJ Brown stuff is what
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: everybody is kind of like the lead story right now.
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  Speaker 2: But let's start with the goods. Uh, I thought, uh, again,
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  Speaker 2: third week in a row, uh, Uh, Drake may played
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  Speaker 2: a really good football game on Sunday and, uh, it
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  Speaker 2: started maybe a little bit slower, uh, than, than it
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  Speaker 2: had the previous couple of weeks. Uh, but I thought
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  Speaker 2: that he was, uh, again, uh, more than a net
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  Speaker 2: positive in this game. Uh, you know, just from the
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  Speaker 2: numbers standpoint, uh, he, he was, uh, had an 89.2
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  Speaker 2: QBR in this game, uh, plus 0.39 EPA per drop back,
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  Speaker 2: which are both, you know, elite level efficiency, uh, From
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: the quarterback standpoint, I had him with 12 plus plays,
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  Speaker 2: six minuses, zero turnover where the plays again this week,
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  Speaker 2: that's back to back weeks without a turnover where the
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  Speaker 2: play or a turnover. So he is cleaning up the turnovers.
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  Speaker 2: The deep passing has returned. He is now number one
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  Speaker 2: in the league and deep completions, deep touchdowns and deep
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  Speaker 2: passing yards. So all this talk about he's got to
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  Speaker 2: be patient and he's got to take profits and he's
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  Speaker 2: got to be a check down Charlie and all that
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Or he could just, you know, sling it, right.
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  Speaker 2: Or he could just be Drake may and throw the
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  Speaker 2: ball deep as he's tends to do. And that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: even account for those completions that, you know, AJ Brown,
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  Speaker 2: not catching the ball over his shoulder or Romeo Dobbs
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  Speaker 2: dropping one in Buffalo or whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 2: So his deep passing grades, his deep passing numbers are
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  Speaker 2: back to being elite. He is now eighth in the
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  Speaker 2: league and EPA per play. among quarterbacks after frankly not
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  Speaker 2: playing well in the first three weeks of the season
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  Speaker 2: so uh this is all leveled off here for drake
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  Speaker 2: may and now it seems like every single week the
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: patriots have a advantage at the quarterback position i thought
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  Speaker 2: in this game specifically uh alex the the quarterback discrepancy
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  Speaker 2: was a big big reason why the patriots won this
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  Speaker 2: game on sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like he did last year. Looks like
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  Speaker 1: himself and maybe not quite as good as he was
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  Speaker 1: against the Raiders. A couple of nitpicks in there, but
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  Speaker 1: just overall high, high level quarterbacking from him. And it's
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  Speaker 1: good to see that again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Like you said, a few more nitpicks in
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  Speaker 2: this game. You know, the whole. throw away underhand, intentional grounding,
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  Speaker 2: near intentional grounding. It wasn't a near turnover. Cause the
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: ball was propelled forward. Like he threw it forward. So
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  Speaker 2: it's not a fumble, but it was nearly intentional grounding.
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  Speaker 2: I would say on that play. I, yeah, that was.
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  Speaker 1: The one for me that like, look, I gotta be consistent.
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  Speaker 1: I hate when quarterbacks make those plays.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about the one where he was in the sack, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's in the sack towards sideline.
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  Speaker 2: And he shovel passes it out to the, uh, Henderson's
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  Speaker 2: the check down, uh, out near the sideline, it didn't
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  Speaker 2: get back to the line of scrimmage either. He's in
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  Speaker 2: the pocket under pressure and the ball didn't get out,
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  Speaker 2: out to back to the line of scrimmage. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty shocked that they didn't call it for intentional grounding.
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  Speaker 1: Well, not just that it barely went forward.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was almost backwards. And you talk about where the
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  Speaker 1: game is at, at that point, it's starting to get
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  Speaker 1: away from them a little bit. And, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: had a moment where I was like, like that felt
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  Speaker 1: like first three weeks, Drake may that felt panicked. And look,
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  Speaker 1: I have to be consistent. I don't like when quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: make plays like that. I don't applaud them. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it worked. It saved him a couple yards. Wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: time and place. That play was the one that kind
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  Speaker 1: of bugged the crap out of me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that one was definitely his most egregious error
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  Speaker 2: in this game. But on a couple of positive notes,
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll move on from Drake May, I thought
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  Speaker 2: that the Jets... I said last week that if the
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  Speaker 2: jets came into this game and heated up Drake may
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  Speaker 2: and blitzed him as much as they were doing in
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: the first handful of games of the season, especially that
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  Speaker 2: game last week against Cleveland and played a lot of
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: man coverage, which is Aaron Glenn's mo that Drake may
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  Speaker 2: was going to shred them. And to their credit in
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  Speaker 2: the first half, they, they backed off. They played a
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  Speaker 2: lot more zone. They played a lot more coverage. They
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  Speaker 2: actually dropped eight a couple of times in that first
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  Speaker 2: half as well. You know, on the Dobbs touchdown as
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  Speaker 2: an example of that, and maybe in an area of
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: growth for Drake may, I thought he showed really great
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  Speaker 2: patients in the game and, and didn't necessarily get too
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  Speaker 2: panicky or too antsy and a lot of clean pockets,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: but I'm not trying and we'll get to the offensive
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  Speaker 2: line in a second. Cause they deserve their flowers. I'm
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: not trying to take away anything from the offensive line,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: but the jets pass rush was clearly having one of
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  Speaker 2: those calculated mush rush type of days. Like they're there.
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  Speaker 2: And their objective in the game was no scrambles. Can't
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  Speaker 2: let them out of the pocket. Can't let them extend, right?
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Like those were the things that they were trying to accomplish.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: They had Bailey a couple of times. We'll McDonald a
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: couple of times. just spying Drake may instead of actually
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: rushing the quarterback. So they, they backed off in the
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: first half. They came after him a little bit in
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: the second half. So I kind of liked the way
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Glenn called the game. Like you kind of lull them
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: into like this, you know, a patient type of game
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: plan early. And then they started to heat them up
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: in the second half. And even in the second half
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: with some of those blitzes, even though they didn't get
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: them blocked particularly well, they had answers in terms of
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: hot routes and like things to get the ball out
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: of his hands, especially like, some of those outlets to
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry. So I thought that he all around just handled, uh,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: what I thought was a pretty good game plan and
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: a pretty good, uh, play calling sequencing from Aaron Glenn
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: early on. He was patient. He stayed in the pocket.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: He bought time. He kept his eyes down the field,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: hit receivers down the field when there wasn't much of
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: a pass rush. And then later in the game, when
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: they started to heat him up, he had answers. He
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: had ways to get out of the pressure and release
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: the pressure. So if you're looking for him to like,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: just think the game and manage the game from that standpoint.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I do think you can point to a game like
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: this and say, okay, it's not the best defense in
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: the league, but this is a, at least an average
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: jets defense. It's not a bad jets defense. And he
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: was able to, to manage the game in that respect.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Patience was the word he said there at
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the beginning, outside of that one play, I thought he
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: just let the game come to him, which again is
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: what he wasn't doing at the beginning of the year.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Yep. I'd mentioned the offensive line. Again, I'm not trying
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: to take anything away from the group. I didn't think
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the Jets necessarily, though, like really were trying to rush
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, pinning their ears back like they were the
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: week before with Deshaun Watson when they had the eight sacks.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Very clear to me that they did not think that
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson's legs were still a factor at this stage
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: of his career. They rush Drake made significantly differently in
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: this game. Now, with that being said, when you lose
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: three offensive linemen over the course of the game and
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: you give up zero sacks against a team that just
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: sacked the quarterback eight times the week before, you deserve kudos.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: That's a really good performance. The next-gen numbers were 35%
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: pressure rate. PFF had it a little bit higher at 41%,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: but still under that 40% threshold that we talk a
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: lot about with Drake may and his extension and his
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: mobility of factoring into some of those pressures. And then, uh,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: no sacks against a front that had eight last week.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So kudos to those guys, Matt prior, um, played a
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: pretty well as a fill-in and then we'll get to
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Lomo here in a second. But what did you just
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: think about the overall performance of the offensive line?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, give Doug Marone a game ball too.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Forget those guys, right? That was insanely impressive, not just
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: in pass protection, but, and I don't know if you
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: want to, you had more in the passing game where
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: we can kind of pivot here, but they got a
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: push in the run game, Evan.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: You did.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: You know how much I've been talking about that. They
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: got a good, against a good Jets front. This isn't
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: one of those like, all right, well, I need to
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: see it against a team that's better against the run. Like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you know how I feel about Devontre Sweat. And they
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: got other good players up there as well. It's a legit,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: front four, front seven to Mario Davis, still getting it done.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: So to see them to get that kind of push, Evan,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: they ran. And I, I know some people have the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: problems with the first down runs, but a good first
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: down run. Would you agree is if you're doing that,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you can pretty much build anything off of that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Offensively you're getting four or five yards on first
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: down in the run game. You're in good shape.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: They ran the ball 15 times on first down for
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: 76 yards. That's over five, basically 5.1 yards per carry
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: on first down. Only one of those runs went for
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a loss. All but three went for four more yards. Yeah,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that is how you sustain a run game. That was excellent.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Excellent.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Excellent.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Excellent.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: If they can do that, can it's going to open
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: up a ton for the pass game.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Because it just forced the defense to consider different things,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: forced them to play it differently. So, you know, the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: pass protection is great. I don't want to take away
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: from it. I got really excited seeing what they did
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: in the run game against that front, especially on first downs.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I thought early in the game, I thought Henderson and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Stevenson ran hard and the difference was in this game.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And there were a couple of, of miscues in terms
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: of penetrators in the backfield. they were at least getting
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that first initial push. I felt like, which allowed Henderson
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and Stevenson to get downhill. And, you know, I thought
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: that they didn't do a great job of blocking up
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the second level until the kinder drive, which we'll get
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to in a second. But I thought that early on
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: in the game, they were getting one or two yards
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: before contact. And then Stevenson and Henderson are punching it
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: through for four or five yards at a time.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: So credit to the backs for finishing runs and having
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the power to be able to do that. You know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: obviously Ramondre has that third down run where he broke
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: like seven tackles and goes for 12 yards. I still
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: want to see like the explosive runs at the second
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: and third level where they get real blocks down the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: field from guys, whether it's getting alignment to the second
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: level or having like the periphery guys, the tight ends,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the wide receivers be able to block at the second
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: level and third level of the defense. But at least
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: they were getting a little bit of progress initially to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: get those four yards at a time. So that was good.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: And then the kinder drive was just, was just as
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Rabel likes to put it at classy, you know, just
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: that that's a big boy drive. That's what you want.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: That's what you want. Six minute clock killing Corey kinder.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And they ran a couple of really good power plays
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: on that, pulling the guard. They ran some duo and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: they blocked it. Well, it's not to take anything away
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: from kinder who ran hard, but I thought that the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: difference between that drive and maybe the rest of the
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: game was that they were actually creating some holes down
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the field for the backs as well and kind of
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: took advantage of those. So really just a good day
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: for the offensive line, considering all the injuries and all
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the issues that they had with injuries over the course
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: of the game down to their last active offensive lineman.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: by the end of it with Walter Rouse. The last
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: thing I want to say on the offensive line, I
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: said I was going to apologize for giving out bad
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: information on Brennan Schooler. I also have to eat a
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: little bit of crow on Caleb Lomu, who I think
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: for back-to-back weeks, one on the left side, one on
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the right side, has looked really, really solid. He belongs
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. He could probably start, I think, at
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: one of the tackle spots right now. And I think
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: my whole take on it from the beginning was, one,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: based off of what we saw in the summer I
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: was concerned that he wasn't going to be able to
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: contribute right away I thought maybe not necessarily a full
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: red shirt but like we were headed for one of
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: those kinds of seasons right where it just wasn't going
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: to be a starting caliber player right out of the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: shoot the second thing was is I just felt like
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: at this part of their build just holistically where they
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: are at with the roster. I felt like it drafting
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a third tackle was a little bit of a luxury
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: pick at the time, right? Like they just, they had
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: some other holes. They had some areas where they could
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: have drafted the media impact players and they decided to
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: draft for future in depth at tackle. Well, this is
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: why they did it. They did it because Will Campbell
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: got hurt last week. Morgan Moses gets hurt this week
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: and Caleb Lomu has stepped in extremely well in both games.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I I've been highly impressed and I'm, I'm actually having
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: a fun time watching his film. I think he's looked
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: really good. Uh, the block that he made on Bailey on, uh,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: DeMario Douglas's touchdown was certainly like the standout block that
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: he had in the game, but I thought he held
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: his own in the run game. Uh, I thought that
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: he held his own against power both weeks. I don't
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: think he looks like he's getting overwhelmed. by NFL power.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: So overall, Caleb Lomu looks like right now he's headed
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: in a great direction for the future. Him and Campbell,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: as your bookend tackles for the foreseeable future, Alex, is
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: feeling awfully good right now.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: That's the vision, right? This is the vision. And yeah,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you can tell that it's coming to him now that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: he's playing a little bit more. I do think that
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: that's probably helping, right? Because he can work on stuff
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: in real time and we'll see if he plays this week.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Morgan Moses was listed as limited yesterday. They did a walkthrough.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: So sorry, I know it's an estimate, but yeah, like real,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: real progress in real time from, from Caleb Loma. Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I was, I was dead wrong about it. I thought that,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that he had like the nasty or
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: that like chip on his shoulder that I typically like
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: out of Lyman, like a guy like Campbell who had,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: who kind of like eats nails and sort of does
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And then I also just wasn't
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a fan of the roster building aspect of it. And I, I,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I've been dead wrong about it. He's, he's proven me wrong.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: So I credit to him about that. And I credit
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to the coaches. I think they've, they've got them ready.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: They've got them used to playing on the right side.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Like I didn't think he looked any different, uh, on
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the right side than he did on the left side
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: last week. So he looks comfortable playing both sides right now.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: He looks like he's on his way. And I think,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: whatever you think of Campbell, like either way, uh, these
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: two guys are, are looking, uh, both like they're starting
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: caliber tackles to whoever plays left or whoever plays right
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: in the future. You know, whatever the case may be,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: it looks like they're, they might be set there, which
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, that would be great. I, it's been eons
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: since we could say that they were set at both
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: tackle spots, like maybe right. Nate Solder, Marcus cannon, as
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: long as we've covered the team. Yeah, the last time
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I can think of that the Patriots had two quality
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: starting tackles was Solder and Cannon, which is mid-2010s, right?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Like Cannon is in Solder.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Talking about like with long-term projection, like 18, they end
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: up figuring it out, but we knew Trent Brown was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: a one-year guy.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, 100%. So that was good to see. A
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: couple more things on the goods, and then we'll get
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: to A.J. Brown and the rest of it. your side
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: of the street a little bit here, Alex, uh, before halftime,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: just dominating situational football. They dominated situational football throughout the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: entire game. If you look at like third down red zone,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: things like that. Uh, but the jets have really struggled
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: in the middle eight of games before halftime, the first
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: four minutes are last four minutes of the second quarter.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: First four minutes of the third quarter, the Patriots went
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: in a sequence there. They, they get 10 to nothing.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: They go, you know, 10 unanswered points in there, or
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I should say straight points in that sequence. It went
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: jets turnover on downs, Patriots field goal jets, three and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: out Patriots touchdown. They took control of the game in
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: that period of the game and dominated red zone dominated
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: third down. They really controlled Patriots. the aspects of the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: game that you kind of think about as like buttoned
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: up operations, right? Like good coaching staffs, well-coached teams. They
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: usually dominate the end of halves and situations like that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And the Patriots certainly outclassed the Jets in that area.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And this has been two weeks in a row now.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: They've been good in that end of half and the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: first half situation. Didn't finish the double score this week
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: on the other side, but, and then, so that's good.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And then the four minutes, They almost took the last
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: six and a half minutes off the clock in the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: first half. If A.J. Brown doesn't have that drop, you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: down near the goal line, they just run that one
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: drive and they really shorten the game. And then, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the kinder drive at the end of the game and
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: their ability to just kill the clock and shorten that
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: thing was really good. So, yeah, situationally, they were excellent.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: They got a couple fourth down stops. Hell of a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: tackle by Robert Spillane. Standing up Braylon Allen in the hole. Yeah.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: but it's good to see that they're settled down a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: little bit now on those end of half things. Cause
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: those were shaky at the start.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Of the year. Nine for 17 on late downs, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: third and fourth down, uh, the jets were three at
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: 12 with those two failed fourth downs. And I mean,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the sneak was maybe a bad spot, but, uh, still
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the Patriots got two stops on fourth down early in
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: this game. Just, just dominated them in like those margins,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: you know, those areas of the game, uh, on defense,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez comes back. Wasn't perfect. You know, did give
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: up the third down catch to Garrett Wilson, but 17
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: routes against Garrett Wilson, two catches, 20 yards. Like when
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you play a receiver that caliber and you shadow him
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: from the majority of the game and you give up
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: two catches for 20 yards, it is, you know that
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you're a good player when I'm nitpicking you on one play, right?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Like you gave up one third down catch and Gonzalez's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: standard is just so high that that stands out a
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: little bit. But overall, I thought Gonzalez once again, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: maybe part of it is that Garrett Wilson needs a
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: quarterback and it never really has had a quarterback that's
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: up for the challenge. But every time the Patriots play
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the Jets, it seems like Christian Gonzalez takes Garrett Wilson
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: out of the game.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no rust from him coming back from that injury.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I thought he handled his business well, allowed a couple
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: completions in zone. That's going to happen. He was really good.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: He's really good in this game.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Another standout on defense, Elijah Ponder just continues to have
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: a career year. He's up to five and a half
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: sacks through six games. That's already a career high. He's
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: on pace for like 15 sacks. I don't know if
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: he'll get to 15. Like that's a big number, but he's,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: he's on pace to have a double digit sacks, at
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: least a monster season. I thought that he, you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: once again was effective rushing the passer and couple of
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: different stunts that made big impact plays. One of them,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: a third down in the red zone that made the
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: jet settle for a field goal. He also worked a
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: stunt with Daquan Jones on the interception for Charles woods
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that caused the pressure that created the interception. So, uh,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: ponder is, has been very good. We've uh, was a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: effective spleen. You mentioned the tackle in the hole again, uh,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: not necessarily the cleanest game defensively, which we'll get to
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: on the other side of the break, but I just
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: think ponder continues to put up numbers. He continues to
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: produce at that spot.
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: And I'll go back to, I thought this was when
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Robert explains best games of the year. I thought he
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: was really good in it. It, it, that fourth down
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: stand up is just an unbelievable play against a big,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: unbelievable play. Yeah. Yeah. No six, one, two 35 meets
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: him in the hole. stops him on contact. Like that's,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that's big time football.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: That's old school. That, that, that's, that's, that's real big
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: boy football right there.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break. Uh, when we
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: get back from the break, we'll talk about AJ Brown
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  Speaker 2: get to the bads and let's talk about A.J.
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  Speaker 6: Brown.
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  Speaker 2: I want to unpack this for a few minutes. I
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: want to start by saying, you know, first of all,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: you know, we all know at this point that he,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: he was three for 10 for 27 yards, right? He
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: caught three passes on 10 targets, 27 yards, both next
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: gen and PFF officially gave him two drops, but that
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: felt generous. Like I think it could have been really,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: you could have made the argument. He dropped three or
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: four passes in this game with all that being said,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I have no, really no concern level right now with
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown. I think a lot, I've seen a lot
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of things that are going around theories, floated things like
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: that about, you know, was the ankle bothering him? Um,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you know, the contact, like all these different types of stuff,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: my read on it, I thought he was open kind
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of the whole game. Like I thought he ran good routes.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I thought he looked explosive. I don't think they were
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: forcing him the ball. I think that he was the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: open man and here the ball was going to him.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Obviously they were featuring him. He's AJ Brown and he's
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: their number one wide receiver and he's back from injury.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: They should be featuring him. Mike Rabel mentioned yesterday. on
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Monday that Romeo Dobbs also leaves the game with an injury,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like three plays into the game, four plays into the game.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So obviously you're going to have to adjust there in
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: terms of losing a receiver. But I did not think
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: that this was anything physical that was wrong with AJ Brown.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I did not think that this was force feeding AJ Brown.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I did not think that he had any issues with
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: like physicality or like, you know, hearing footsteps or anything
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: like that. I think he just had the drop sees like, Hey,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I just think that he just didn't catch the ball. Uh,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: if he had had a better game in terms of, uh,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you know, catch point stuff, like the track and the
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: go ball over his shoulder, catching the ball on the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: back of the end line in the end zone, two
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: plays that I think he can easily make. You were
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: talking about him having maybe multiple touchdowns over a hundred
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: yards in his return in this game. It was just
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: one of those Bad games like he just he just
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: had a weird kind of off game in this one,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: especially catching the football. But I was really encouraged by
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the way he moved on film. I thought he looked explosive.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I thought he looked twitchy. Change of direction looked good,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: which are things that you worry about with high ankle
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: sprains and all the advanced metrics back that up. Only
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: one of his 10 targets was into a tight window
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: in this game. which tells me that he was open.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Like he's, he's open.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And he just didn't catch the football. There was also
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a couple of like timing, just bad luck things to,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you know, one of his targets, he's open over the
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: middle of the field. The ball gets batted down at
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage on the first third down of
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the game. Another one, they try to cut the end.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: He runs a slant into the open window and Lomu
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: doesn't cut Bailey, right? He doesn't get Bailey's hands down.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And it kind of threw off the ball placement on
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the play. Those, the, the, catch at the back of
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the end zone, I think is a great sort of
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: teaching tool or like bank rep for Drake man, AJ Brown.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Cause Drake is seeing the safety coming over from the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: right side of the, you know, his right coming to
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the left onto AJ Brown. And so he throws it
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: back shoulder to try to keep AJ Brown away from
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the safety. And I think that Brown kind of reacted
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: maybe a split second late to adjust to the back shoulder.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: If he had done it, you know, a little bit
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: more in rhythm, but, then I think that he makes
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: that catch. So that's the one that they'll come back
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to later and they'll hit it later on in the season.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Like they'll, they'll, you know, learn from that and bank
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: that rep live in the game. The best way I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: can put it is that AJ Brown is still playing
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: September football. He's still in like ramp up extension of
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: the preseason mode. And the rest of this offense has
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: been playing together for five or six weeks at this point.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: And he looked rusty and he just looked like a
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: guy that is trying to find his rhythm within this
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: offense right now.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: That last thing you just said is the big point
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to me. Like you got to remember, he'd only played
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: 20 something snaps since January.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: It's not like he fully ramped up, got going, then
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: got hurt. It was half into the first game, didn't
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: play in the preseason. So there's a ramp-up period. Now,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: is A.J. Brown trying to first-round pick for him that
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: should only take so long? It shouldn't go multiple games, right?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: They need him to get going starting this week against
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: the Bears. He needs to be a big part of
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the offense.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's got to make these plays. Right, yeah.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm willing to look at that game and say, okay,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: maybe there was some rust he hadn't played in a while.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: we saw how you remember how rusty the whole team
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: looked for the first week or two, right? This was
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: essentially his season opener. He played so little against Seattle, but,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: but you know, it's, he doesn't have a month to
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: get ramped up like everybody else did. They're in this
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: thing now. And so we'll see what he does next week.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: It sucks that they don't have extra time to work
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: on it, or maybe that's better just so it doesn't
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: become a mental thing. You just have to turn the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: page so quickly onto the next game with the Thursday
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: night game. But yeah, it was frustrating for sure. Uh,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I'll say the same thing I did about Drake May
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: when Drake May struggled at the beginning of the year.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: And it was like, well, is this who he is now?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: What is it? And it's like, as bad as he
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: is or was at the time, there's so much evidence
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: to the contrary that he, that's just not who he is.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: That it was like, yeah, he'll snap out of it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of where I'm at with AJ Brown.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: If he was a rookie and he had that game.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Oh boy. There's so much evidence that that's not who
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: he is, that he had a bad game. I'm willing
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to just chalk it up to that. And, Hopefully we're like,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: hopefully we're laughing about it in a month.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Especially the catch point stuff. Like he's been one of
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the best contested catch receivers and one of the best, uh,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you know, finishers on at the catch point in the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: NFL for his entire career. You know, like we saw
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: it all summer long, him making, uh, you know, great
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: acrobatic catches, uh, and stuff like that. And so to
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: see him just struggle with catching the football like that, uh, that,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: that was really surprising, but, uh, I keep going back
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to the same thing. I would so much rather these
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: things be happening like a one-off game where he just
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: has the drop season, maybe some timing and like rhythm
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: things that they can work on over the course of
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: the season versus him looking like he's stuck in the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: mud and isn't getting open, right? Like that. If it
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: was the second thing, if he was struggling to separate
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and he looked like he had no juice and an
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: ankle looked like it maybe was bothering him, that to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: me would have been like, Like that would have been like,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: all right, well maybe the high ankle sprain and all this,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: like maybe they're not going to get AJ Brown at
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: a peak of his powers this season because of the injury.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: This to me was, was the opposite of that, which
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: makes me feel even kind of better. Like I I'm
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: glad that he was getting open as much as he was.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And I, I thought that jets really struggled to cover
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: him in this game. Like on the go ball target,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: you know, he uses a little bit of like a,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a subtle arm bar, like kind of veteran savvy to,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: to really stack and pull away late from the corner.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: But he ran right by Stevenson, like he, or Stevens,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: he ran right by the corner and was open and
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: catches that ball over his shoulder and his sleep. And
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: he just didn't track it well. So these are, these
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: are all things that I expect to be one-off performance
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: things for AJ Brown or or just little minutiae things
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that him and Drake may need to work on together
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: live in games. Now you mentioned the lack of reps
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: that he had against Seattle. They just haven't banked these
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: reps together. They just haven't played in a game. They
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: also didn't play in the preseason together. So it's just
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of that right now with AJ Brown, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was anything nefarious. Like I don't
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: think that these were any concerns that I'm really like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you know, even small C concerned about at this point
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: with AJ Brown. Now, if he goes out on Thursday
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: night and he can't catch a cold again, then we
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: have a different conversation on the show next week, right?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Like that. That would certainly change the way I'm looking
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: at things with him right now. Last that I'll give you,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: he caught 30% of his passes, obviously, right? Three for 10.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I know you hate the expected, but the expected completion
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: percentage on those throws was over 66%. So like he
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: should have caught like at least six of those passes
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: that were thrown his way just based off of how
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: open he was and things like that. So that tells
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: you right there that he was open consistently throughout the game. Just,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Couldn't finish the catches. Couldn't finish the plays. Looking at
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the defense in terms of the bads, I thought in
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: this game, I give credit to Frank Reich. I gave
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: some credit earlier to Aaron Glenn. I thought the Jets
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: had some answers for the Patriots pressure package in this game.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: A couple of those short trap runs that they ran
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: in the first half. gained 16 and 13 yards. They
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: also called a couple of screens into some of those
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: blitzes that were effective. One of them was late in
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that drive at the end of the game that they
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: got the field goal on to make it a seven
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: point game, but they hit Omar Cooper jr. For an
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: 18 yard play on a screen against a zero against
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: the cover zero that simulated pressure package. When the Patriots
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: just line up, seven guys across the line of scrimmage
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and they drop out of it most of the time,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: but you know, one in every five times it's cover
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: zero that has been wreaking havoc all season long. They've
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: had a, they've had a lot of success with it. Uh,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I've broken down a lot of the tricky cover twos
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that they fall out into a lot of the time.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: This was the first time in Reich's a veteran coordinator,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: veteran play caller. I thought the jets had some answers
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: against those that, uh, similarly to some of the stuff
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier, uh, I wish that this
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: was a longer week for them because I'm sure that
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: they would do an audit and a self-scout about what
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: exactly led to some of those leakages in terms of
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: these simulated pressures, which are such a big part of
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: their defense. So maybe after the Thursday night game, they
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: have a mini buy going into Miami. Zach core and
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the staff can talk about some of those things in
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: terms of what exactly they could do to change it
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: up so that they don't see repeat plays. That would
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: be my biggest concern with some of those runs, especially
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: is that teams are going to watch that on film
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and they're going to start seeing repeat plays where teams
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: are going to use short traps where they're pulling the guard.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: But instead of him going out to the tackle, he's
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: going to hit the three technique. You know, he's going
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: to hit Milton Williams first. uh, as a defensive tackle.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: So those are called short trap plays instead of the
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: long trap or the counter would be all the way out, uh,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: to the tackle. This is a little bit different. Uh,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: and they kind of decreased them. They knew that they
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: had those two linebackers, Mike, uh, mugging up in the
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: a gaps with splayed and Ellis. So it's a soft
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: middle with no nose tackle, kind of get the guards
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: up or the center up on the, on the two linebackers,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: you know, alignment on linebackers. And then you pull the
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: guard to Milton, uh, Williams. And then they kind of
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: creased them that way a few times at Braylon Allen.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: So I would just be small C concerned about seeing
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: that again when they go into those pressure fronts. Do we,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: did he freeze? He might've froze. Oh, there he is.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: All right. We'll keep it going.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Am I still here?
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Well, that's part of the fun of it, right? Is
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: over the course of the season, The offense has changed.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: The defenses have to adjust. Now, does the defense adjust?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: The offenses have to recount.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, six games in, like, would you say repeat plays? Yes.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Is that the term used?
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: So, like, this is, you know, Zach Horst had an
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: unbelievable start to the year. Unbelievably excellent.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: And this doesn't take away from him, but this is
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the next step of it. You know, this is why
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you see sometimes teams pop in September and then fade,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: especially a team with a new coach or a new coordinator, right?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: there's just new things that team that haven't seen. And
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: then the team see it. And, you know, it's easy
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to design something and put in new wrinkles. Do you
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: have counters to the counters and things like that? So,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: you know, and they're going to face some, some good
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: offensive minds here coming up, starting with Ben Johnson this week.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: So it'll be really interesting to see how, how Zach core,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you know, you got to do some self scouting here
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and okay. If this is how they're going to counter
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing, what can I build off of it
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: to stop that?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a great point about, um, coming out
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: hot in September with some new stuff, right? Like that
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: happens a lot across the league. Usually on my side
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: of the ball, usually that's the tight pants guys that
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: have been in the lab.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: There's this new group of defensive coaches that now approach
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: it like those offensive coaches do, which is excellent.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's great. Like this is probably a conversation
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: more for tomorrow that we can unpack, have a little
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: bit more time to talk about the evolution here. But
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I think the resurgence of the defensive team, Guru of
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the defensive mastermind, which I, I would give Mike McDonald
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of the credit for that. You know, I
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: think that his success in Seattle has led to a
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: lot of that, uh, kind.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Of, I was going to say is Ryan Flores, my
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: version of Kyle Shanahan. Yeah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: But, you know, he's obviously still at the coordinator level
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: for reasons.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: There's like some unique reasons we won't discuss. But yeah,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: like that, that's definitely he's definitely a big part of
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: it as well. And McDonald, Jesse Minter, like a lot
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: of these coaches that are cooking it up defensively. I
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: think Zach core is fantastic. sort of in that next
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: wave of maybe guys that are on the head coaching track.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I hope not for a while selfishly, but I think
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: that that's a, that's good for the league, man. It's
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: good for the league that some of these defensive guys
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: are a getting some shine, but be also punching back
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit on the offensive coaches and, and doing
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: some things that are giving these offenses some trouble. So, uh,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I think you're a hundred percent on it. I think
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Zach core early on in the season, the simulated, the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: tricky twos, like all this stuff has really, uh, surprised
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: their opponents and, and been really effective. And now these
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: good OCs, I don't know if right. Call right. Really
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: a good OC anymore, but he's certainly a experienced one. Uh,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: and he's undermanned. No, no doubt about that, right? Like
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have the horses yet to really go toe
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: for toe. toe to toe. So we'll see Ben Johnson,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: maybe not Bobby Sloak and the dolphins, but maybe so.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: And then we'll move forward from there and see what
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: they can do.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: One more.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, just on that. We mentioned the injuries. We'll unpack
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: that more tomorrow. Obviously that's bad. That deserves to be
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: in the bads. Let's get to the stuff that gets
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: you beat. I will talk more about replacing the injury
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: guys tomorrow. The biggest one to me, And then I
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: want to unpack the Cooper touchdown a little bit to
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: loss fumbles again. And, uh, you know, Vrabel said it
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: on EEI yesterday. So I'll just use his words. Embarrassing.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: He called it embarrassing. that they, they keep turning the
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: ball over like this. It's no longer the quarterback, which
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I guess is encouraging that it's not the quarterback turning
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: the ball over and it's not interceptions anymore. Uh, but
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Travion Henderson gets one ripped out at the top of
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: the pile and he kind of gets on the, on
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: a pile of bodies and, uh, David Bailey just comes
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: in and rips the ball out. And then with DeMario
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Douglas's fumble, we've seen this a handful of times with
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: pop in the open field. He just kind of doesn't
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: have great awareness of, the situation. I think he tries
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to do a little bit too much, like he said, uh,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: after the game and, uh, and he fumbles the backside
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: pursued a really good play by Jermaine Sherwood, the linebacker to,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: to hustle, uh, down the field to make that play.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: But it's a 39 yard completion that you just completely
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: wipe off the board, uh, because Douglas fumbles at the
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: end of the run as a ball carrier. So there's
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: two instances that where they put the ball on the
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: ground again, uh, that they just can't, you can't keep
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: turning the ball over like this. You're not going to
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: win A whole lot of games turning the ball over
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: multiple times a week like they're doing right now.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, turnovers will kill you. Plain and simple. And it's
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: it's everybody. It's everybody. Everybody. Pop Douglas, Travion Henderson, cory
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: kiner aj brown like the you know going back a
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: couple weeks here not just this week but that that'll
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: kill you the fumbles will hurt you bad so they
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: gotta and vrabel said you know was asked if they'll
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: coach it more i don't know it sounds like they're
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: coaching it a lot They have ball security.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: You got to work on it till it's fixed.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: We see it. We see the receivers. Uh, they work
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: on the, getting the ball ripped out where they like
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: dive onto a, a gymnastics, like Matt pad thing. And
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: the coaches come in and they got, they're punching at
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: it and they're ripping at it. And the running backs and, uh,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks even go through a gauntlet, uh, of ball
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: security drills as well. So Drake may does it to, uh,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: all the skill players, anybody that carries the football, uh,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Even sometimes they have the returners come over like Marcus
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Jones and stuff like that to go through the drill.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: So like they, they rep it in practice. They, they
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: really do. But these defensive guys are getting good at this.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: They're getting good at the peanut punches. Uh, they oftentimes
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: the first guy in is going for the ball and
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: the second guy in is going for the tackle. Sometimes
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: that leads to broken tackles and maybe there's too many
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: of those missed tackles across the league. Uh, but these
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: defensive guys are coming after the ball for everybody, like
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: not just the Patriots players and, uh, the, the patch
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: players got to just do a better job securing the football. Uh,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: the last thing that I had on the stuff that
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: gets you beat, uh, was the 48 yard touchdown to
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Omar Cooper jr. I just felt like in this game
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: overall defensively, And speaking to some of the players after
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: the game, I think they felt the same way on
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: the defensive side. Just not totally buttoned up, like not
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: completely assignment sound in a game like this. Maybe a
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: little bit too much, like trying to do too much
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: to like trying to make a splash play. or trying
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: to make something happen, which I don't really know why
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: you're pressing no fence against the jets. Like, I don't
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: think they really needed to, uh, play outside of their structure, uh,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: if you will. But I thought there was some of
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: that on the touchdown to Omar Cooper, Jr. My, my
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: read on it is that they were playing poach, uh, coverage,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: which is a quarter's a check or a quarters variation.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: So Craig Woodson is playing low and he's playing crossers
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: from the passing strength of the formation. So if a
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: receiver comes across the field on like an over route,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: then Woodson's just going to cut off that crossing route
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: coming in across the field. which means that Bayard who's
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: playing really like a deep half safety, he's got a
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: match number two vertical. So if the number two receiver,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: which is Cooper jr. In this case runs that big
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: post across the field, it's not on the backside safety.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: It's not on Woodson, uh, to stay over the top
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: of that route. It's on buyer. Now, this is just
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: my interpretation. I don't know this for a hundred percent fact,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: but I think that Bayard was supposed to stay connected
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: to Cooper jr's route and run across the field. They don't,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: it's a check. They don't run the coverage a ton. Uh,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: so maybe it's just a newer coverage for them and,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: and communicating through that. The jets also did a nice job.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I thought they motioned the tight end across the formation
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: and the tight end became the outside receiver and it
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: put Cooper jr. In the slot. So we call that
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: as like, they made a new number one. So on
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: that side of the field, Cooper jr. Starts as the
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: number one, like you go from outside in. So one
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: would be the outside receiver. Two would be the slot.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: If it's a trips or three receiver side, the number
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: three would be the inside slot receiver or the tight end.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, the motion, the tight end across that created
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: a new number one receiver. And now when they create
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: that new number one receiver to that side of the field,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: now Bayard is matching the slot, right? Like now Bayard
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: is locked into the slot. So I wonder if that motion, uh,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: it was subtle, but maybe that little motion did throw
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: them off with their coverage rules. Just a tiny bit. Uh,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: I would, you know, maybe I'll get a clear answer
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: about that this week. If I get a chance to
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: ask the guys, but it felt to me like, uh,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: they just had a couple of those plays in this
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: game where they busted a coverage or they just weren't
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: quite on their P's and Q's from an assignment standpoint,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: which you don't normally see with the Patriots defense, but
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: you did a little bit this week. So that I,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: in general, there's that big picture thought in terms of
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the assignments, but also you can't be giving up 50
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: yard touchdowns, right? Like you don't want to be giving
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: up big explosive plays like that through the passing game either.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a really good breakdown. I agree with it.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Just can't be having that on the back end.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Poach coverage. Quarters, family. Uh, it's, you know, Fangio kind
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: of stuff, you know, palms, poach, things like that, uh, are,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: are all these tricks, you know, these are all these
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: coverages that they're using that they're really matching like vertical
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: stems out of these zones. And, uh, it gets tricky
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: because sometimes the safety gets over the slot and now
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: the safety has got to cover a receiver, uh, over
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the slot. And sometimes those foot races don't go so
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: well for those safeties. So, uh, that'll do it. That was, uh,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: look at the timing on that one. 10 54. We
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: landed the plane perfectly there. A little bit of a
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: housekeeping tomorrow, the show 10 to 11 bears preview. Obviously
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the game is Thursday night, so we're not going to
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: do the show Thursday. We're going to do it Wednesday.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: So we'll be back tomorrow. So no time in between
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: here really. for us on catch 22 to preview one
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: of the games of the year that I wish was
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: not on a Thursday night, Alex, because this is like
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: our kind of game, right? We got Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Like this is our argument coming to life. This is
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: the manifestation of our two sides of the street right here.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: So we'll talk about it tomorrow. We'll talk about my Ben,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: my guy, Ben Johnson and the offense. And some of
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: the myths about that offense that I want to go
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: over as well. I can't wait for that. But we'll
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: see you guys then. So Wednesday, 10 to 11 for
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: the Bears preview. Alex, thanks for pushing through, buddy. I
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: hope I see you tomorrow. Maybe.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: We'll see. Well, we'll see.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I can't hear him anymore. All right. Anyways, we're wrapping
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: it up. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Hey, this is Deuce.
• 55:34
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