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St. Augustine WARNED Us About DEMONS — Why Many Catholics Still IGNORE It · Adrian Milag Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: Some theologians don't play the role of the devil to avoid dualism.
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SPEAKER_02: Even worse, there were cases of exorcists that didn't believe to the devil.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So they say it's everything psychiatrical.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean certain anime or manga is opening the youth to demonic.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, why should I waste my time on anime that teach how to call a demon?
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SPEAKER_02: But this doesn't tell me that if I do that, I'll destroy my life being demon possessed.
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SPEAKER_02: I won't.
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SPEAKER_02: That's it.
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SPEAKER_02: Let should be clear.
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SPEAKER_04: You are convinced that it it was an idol, because some Catholics claim that I mean maybe they don't know what an idol is.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's just my opinion, but cultural, like I know.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't believe in cultural.
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SPEAKER_02: That's it.
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SPEAKER_02: If something wants to detach you from the Lord, it has to suffer at that person's rage.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Divine.
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SPEAKER_02: Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Francesco, have you met Father Amort?
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SPEAKER_02: It was one of my life graces.
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SPEAKER_02: Truly, like a father.
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SPEAKER_02: It was like a granddad, maybe.
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SPEAKER_02: Always smiling.
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SPEAKER_02: Smiling straight.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not serious type.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, I was always telling Joe.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you for mouse for every media.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_03: Like to see you finally face to face, Dr.
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SPEAKER_03: Francesco.
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SPEAKER_03: It's a pleasure also for me.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, my pleasure is my Dr.
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SPEAKER_03: Francesco.
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SPEAKER_03: You're the author of St.
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SPEAKER_03: Augustine Demonology and Scholar of Atlistic Demonology and expertise.
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SPEAKER_03: Good to be here in USD Central Seminary.
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SPEAKER_03: How many times we in the Philippines?
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SPEAKER_03: Very nice.
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SPEAKER_03: Very nice manipulator.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, wonderful.
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SPEAKER_03: That is the part I prefer.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, yes.
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SPEAKER_03: You can follow them on Facebook and Instagram forms.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, so I am Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Patrick.
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SPEAKER_02: If he was why I am because I wanted to know the law more than I did.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I was thinking, what am I doing here?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm studying.
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SPEAKER_02: Why don't study about Jesus Christ?
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SPEAKER_02: So I did it.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the reason why I'm here.
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SPEAKER_02: You're married?
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SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just like man.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Consecrated personally, but not officially, so just private devotion, that's it.
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SPEAKER_03: I am curious, why Saint Augustine Demonology?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, it's easy to say.
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SPEAKER_02: I was asked to do that.
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SPEAKER_02: Today that I was stationed to my professor, Father Ciupiani in Rome.
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SPEAKER_02: He immediately accepted that because saying, Oh, he was really smiling at me.
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SPEAKER_02: And he said, Yeah, wow, that's so wonderful that you asked me because another student tried that, but then he changed his mind and uh he didn't do that.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you accept, I do that.
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SPEAKER_02: After I accepted, I I understood why.
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SPEAKER_02: So it was so complicated that nothing about demonology these days, or you have to find anything by yourself.
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SPEAKER_02: So it was really, really hard.
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SPEAKER_02: But thanks be to God and thanks to Santa Steve.
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SPEAKER_03: I get it so yeah, and maybe we before we tag on to the topic, because it's very interesting and that you shared a while ago.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh when I asked you about the problems of legal immigration nowadays.
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SPEAKER_03: Bishop Snyder also warned that this is Islamic infiltration to destroy the church.
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SPEAKER_03: Could you share with us?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's a real huge problem nowadays.
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SPEAKER_02: We see crimes that never happened before in Italy.
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SPEAKER_02: We see uh return of magical practices connected with crime.
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SPEAKER_03: Magical?
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SPEAKER_02: Magical crime, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: We have magical crime nowadays, so bandit that goes to the warbox or to the magic predictioner to have the crime basket file.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_02: That was happening.
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SPEAKER_02: That's on the newspaper, so I'm not joking about these things.
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SPEAKER_02: It's really unbelievable, really the fool.
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SPEAKER_02: They're a complete town, so I believe in the no longer Italian anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: As you see in France or Spain already happened, the same thing is happening.
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SPEAKER_03: And you mentioned the the private debut dictionary.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh it trifles, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, could you say it briefly?
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SPEAKER_02: The header of our legal renovation was Bruno Cormacciola, who was a famous mystic person died in 2002, and also foretold all the disgraces that he defied before he died.
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SPEAKER_02: In particular, this one about the illegal immigration because he could see in a past all this boss of full of illegal immigrants taken to destroy the church.
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SPEAKER_02: So I know many was the attack inside St.
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SPEAKER_02: Peter Basilica only this year.
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SPEAKER_02: But they were this year more than I see in my five life work.
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SPEAKER_02: So and nobody talks about that.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_03: So do you think this is part of uh you mentioned the lefties, they wanted to switch?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean yeah, there's so much about that lefty is we mustn't be whatever.
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SPEAKER_02: So as long as they enemies of the church, they're just one problem together.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's it's quite a joke to you in the technology.
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SPEAKER_03: So we really need to pay for this.
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SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you think what happens in Spain now?
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SPEAKER_02: They're not there to find the better life or like the Italian did in the 15th, and uh say they go to conquer it, they're not afraid to accept it.
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SPEAKER_02: They say blood and sleep when Italian do means oh, we'll confer you with our women, you may not cheaper, you may not.
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SPEAKER_02: You have 20 years, then beyond the Islamic very true.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the I mean Islam because it's Islam, but also any kind of anti-pathology they could find.
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SPEAKER_03: And Dr.
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SPEAKER_03: Francesco Saint Augustine is often called the Doctor of Peace.
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SPEAKER_03: And how and that's his teaching on demons challenge, the modern idea that even suggests a psychological problem.
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SPEAKER_02: Some Tagostin has always given everything that he received from the scripture and the father before him, and leave it better than it was before.
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SPEAKER_02: So the demonology doesn't make any exception about this.
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SPEAKER_02: The idea not only exists, but wasn't shaded neither by the pagans that everywhere believed in all kinds of spirits.
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SPEAKER_02: Anywhere in the Roman Empire, I mean you can choose the Europe, or Africa, whatever, any pagan and the time knew that spirits were there.
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SPEAKER_02: So far, the more powered state was applied.
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SPEAKER_02: He knew and he said directly that telling about the crazy person from concession one.
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SPEAKER_02: It's easy just when the demonarch loudly openly.
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SPEAKER_02: But it's quite impossible without the gift from the Holy Spirit if they try to hide and stay silent.
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SPEAKER_02: So even centuries before the psychology existed, he could tell the difference between the two cases and knew that two different cases existed.
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SPEAKER_02: So I could say it is directly with pro and truth against modern men of destruction that are only made to allow the thing which is spreading today and to and let the souls ruin.
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SPEAKER_02: Santa Agostin did the clearly the opposite.
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SPEAKER_02: He let the lies to rot and he saved souls.
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SPEAKER_02: That's why such a great saying.
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SPEAKER_04: What does Augustine teach about the difference between ordinary temptation and extraordinary demonic attacks?
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SPEAKER_00: In this book, I address a very particular and somewhat impressive topic because I talk about those angels who rebelled against God, not wanting to be subjected to him as creatures, but wanting to take his place, led by Lucifer or Satan.
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SPEAKER_00: In this sense, they are evil angels, and were then punished by God, because for them there is eternal damnation, since they do not want to convert.
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SPEAKER_00: They have their own reasoning.
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SPEAKER_00: It is God who is wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: They must be served by God, not that they serve God.
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SPEAKER_00: And this outrage to the Divine Majesty is so grave that it is no longer forgivable, not in the sense that God does not want to forgive them, but because they believe they are right and thus do not convert.
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SPEAKER_00: In this sense, however, they have three fundamental limits in their evil actions in the world.
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SPEAKER_00: The first is the sovereign superiority, the lordship of God.
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SPEAKER_00: God is the creator, the Lord, so they must adhere to what he decides.
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SPEAKER_00: The second is our free will.
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SPEAKER_00: If we are um willing to follow the path of good, not the one of evil as they suggest, then we can be assured that they cannot do anything against our refusal.
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SPEAKER_00: The third limit is the cross of Christ, in which Jesus, sacrificing himself on the cross for our salvation and redemption, has also freed us from every evil power.
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SPEAKER_00: Therefore, we can be at peace.
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SPEAKER_00: However, it is necessary to know them because if we do not know them, and many today even deny them, unfortunately, we remain sometimes trapped in their deceptions because they are quite intelligent, cunning, even if they repeat themselves, because they have a very dark, very shadowy life.
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SPEAKER_00: And we must in this way to see their cunning, the temptations they can direct towards us, which is their most common attack.
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SPEAKER_00: But sometimes they also have attacks of possession, which is the most serious situation, but also of obsession, which disturb the psyche, and also many uh physical realities that can disturb the health of the body.
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SPEAKER_00: So, in this sense, uh they operate a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: In this particular period in which we live, their tremendous action is noticeable because we live in a society and also within the church, a truly negative reality, sometimes dark, distressing, disorienting, and above all, infernal.
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SPEAKER_00: Therefore, I recommend this reading to you because the book is written very simply, clearly, but briefly contains everything one might want to know about these unhealthy figures, but they do not overpower us because God wins, because God wins, but also his incarnate son wins, and the Holy Spirit, their enemy, wins, and above all, there is the presence of Mary.
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SPEAKER_00: They are afraid of her, as Genesis says, the seed of the woman, which is Christ, and the seed of the serpent, and the seed of the woman crushes the head of the serpent, the ancient devil.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway, happy reading, serene, confident, and may the blessing of the Lord who frees us from all evil come upon you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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SPEAKER_02: The temptation is an ordinary action that everybody has to face during this life.
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SPEAKER_02: It tries to seduce the person.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's an external action that goes against the minds that try to seduce to the mind, to the will, to gain the person's consent, proposing some kind of pleasure while hiding the harm that will come out of it.
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SPEAKER_02: So it tries to seduce from outside and will have no power without the person constant because we have free will.
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SPEAKER_02: The extraordinary on the other half is a form is from infestation onwards.
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SPEAKER_02: The surrounding of the people, the house, the animal they have, the material objects are attacked with strange phenomena.
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SPEAKER_02: Vexation the body is it from outside.
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SPEAKER_02: Obsession, the senses are deceived.
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SPEAKER_02: Possession, somebody, somebody else used the body we have.
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SPEAKER_02: So even if Saint Augustine doesn't use these modern terms, the description of the phenomena is already there because it's what the devil always did.
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SPEAKER_02: And Saint Augustine saw it.
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SPEAKER_02: So in all he knew them all.
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SPEAKER_02: Discerning the difference is not difficult at all between the two categories.
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SPEAKER_02: The first is the same if a co-worker tell us smiling, hey, let's go have fun, and try to convince us with every three keynote before letting us go after a decline.
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SPEAKER_02: The second one is like if the co-workers start hitting us in the face with whatever he can find.
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SPEAKER_02: Why kill by still going on, say, oh come on, let's have fun, and in the meanwhile, it's us in the face.
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SPEAKER_02: I would say a word also on ordinary Catholics.
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SPEAKER_02: Be brave and pray harder.
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SPEAKER_02: When we have a real relation with the Lord, there's nothing but peace in every circumstance.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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SPEAKER_02: No paranoia needed about this.
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SPEAKER_02: So that's it.
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SPEAKER_04: Augustine teaches that demons can only act within God's permission, Dr.
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SPEAKER_04: Francesco.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure, that's it.
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SPEAKER_04: But does this mean God allows evil for a greater good?
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Any single time that God acts, he for the good he has in mind.
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SPEAKER_02: So we know for sure that the Lord always changes any kind of evil that comes out in something good and something greater than the previous pain.
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SPEAKER_02: He is the one and only savior.
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SPEAKER_02: I repeat, he is the one and only savior.
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SPEAKER_02: So even when these cases occur, Christ will save us.
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SPEAKER_02: We only need to cry for help.
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SPEAKER_02: This said the causes of the diabolical possession can be three personal mortal sin, stable condition of mortal sin, witchcraft, free permission of the Lord, but this one only occurs in the 0.000001% of the cases because only regards very very high saints, like St.
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SPEAKER_02: Jem Magalgani, for example, or the Little Arab.
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SPEAKER_02: Difference between the first and the second is that in the first one the person seen what opened the door to the enemies, while in the second one the person was attacked from the outside, for example by another person or a cult.
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SPEAKER_02: Santaco still witnessed both the cases and also the deliverance that followed them.
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SPEAKER_02: This kind of sufferance is no joke, but the joy of deliberation will always be great.
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SPEAKER_04: Amen.
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SPEAKER_02: That's it.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so in your book you highlight Augustine's views on the rare but real cases of possession.
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SPEAKER_04: So what is the biggest misunderstanding about demonic possession?
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm sorry to say that even nowadays many people lay or not doesn't believe in this particular matter of faith, but still it is matter of faith.
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SPEAKER_02: And I won't quote Pope Paul VI because it would be easy game to say you have to do that.
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SPEAKER_02: We are ready.
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SPEAKER_02: Um his statements was the answer to as such called theological current stroke at Europe and the church at the age.
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SPEAKER_02: In the meantime, we can theological we have theological courses about angels and demons simply disappeared from the religious houses, from the universities, from the seminaries.
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SPEAKER_02: So nowadays the result was a period of time decades during which all the matter was completely neglected, and both lay and priests were so deprivated not only of the weapons, but even of the knowledge that the battle existed, that the battle was going on and still is.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me make an example.
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SPEAKER_02: In 2023, there was an Elish event in Boston.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, you remember that one.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: That was meant to be a public uh black mass.
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SPEAKER_02: And the whole church and the International Association of the Exorcists were asking prayer against that.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: So the day I heard this report, I met an old priest from the same generation we were talking about that told me that uh was necessary for my book to have a preface by a famous, very famous psychiatrist whose only goal was to deny the reality of the devil.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're joking, right?
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SPEAKER_02: So that was my reply.
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SPEAKER_02: And the very same evening I met exorcists from the EAI, and I told them what happened, and they didn't know if to laugh or to cry.
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SPEAKER_02: I guess they both both of them.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the most tricky trick that we have to face nowadays.
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SPEAKER_02: You believe that can be Christian without fighting, because there is nothing to fight, and everything that's written even in the Bible, I don't say the catechism because nobody opens to that anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: But even if nobody can be Christian without practicing the catechism, anything that's written in the Bible and they don't like it, they just took that out.
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SPEAKER_02: For example, the discussion of the devil.
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SPEAKER_02: Santa Agostin didn't do that.
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SPEAKER_02: He taught all the truth altogether and maintained and defended.
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SPEAKER_04: The devil it's always tabu.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah uh we we we should not talk about it.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah and some some some priests they just I mean it's just symbol or about Francesco.
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SPEAKER_02: The point is that in our generation those things started to change back after Father Amort because he was the one to take all these things back to the public.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So if we have a case of a priest that doesn't believe, he won't bless.
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SPEAKER_02: Who's in need?
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SPEAKER_02: A person that doesn't believe would waste all his money in doctor instead asking for a blessing, for example.
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SPEAKER_02: Are looking for a medical solution while instead is a spiritual problem.
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SPEAKER_02: So both of them are deceived and they won't help even when necessary.
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SPEAKER_02: They have a plunk in the eye and they don't see it.
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SPEAKER_02: Who's using this blindness is the devil who's free to arm in both cases and use those people to arm while nobody's watching.
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SPEAKER_04: Right.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And what is the most important but often neglected lesson from Saint Augustine that every priest doing this ministry must remember?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, the very core of the question is to be united to the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's it.
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SPEAKER_02: Saint Augustine didn't uh leave us with book of prayers, uh, special rituals, as the maybe some others did, but he was focused on the union to God.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the aim.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, the more we are stronger we are in the the more strong we are stronger we are in the fight against the thousandfold trickery of the enemy.
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SPEAKER_02: The more we grow united to our God, the more we'll be brave in battle and use him in helping others.
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SPEAKER_08: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: St.
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SPEAKER_02: Augustine in fact didn't write very well for exorcism, but even his tears were effective.
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SPEAKER_02: Because when he was asked to pray for people suffering, he saw the sufferance so horrible that he couldn't do anything else than cry while praying.
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SPEAKER_02: On the contrary, we can use all the most beautiful prayer, but if there's no link to the Lord, they will sort no effect.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: As Saint James say, you ask, you don't receive because you ask only, in order to spend what you get in your pleasure.
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SPEAKER_02: That was not Saint Augustine's case.
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SPEAKER_02: Saint Augustine, even without doing nothing, he just shed a tears because you see the sufferings of the person and the person was delivered.
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SPEAKER_04: Some theologians don't play the role of the devil to avoid dualism.
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SPEAKER_04: Is there a risk that this soft approach has weakened the church exorcism ministry, Dr.
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SPEAKER_04: Francesco?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is not so hard as the consequences for both the theologicians and the lay.
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SPEAKER_02: The so-called dualism derived from a Manichaean conception of two gods, one good, one evil.
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SPEAKER_02: As Santa Agostin already fought this idea.
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SPEAKER_02: The ministry that has now a revival, thanks to Father Amos and all the exorcises that followed him, thanks be to the Lord, was not wicked in itself, and the very few that in the last decades were celebrating it right can testimony how many graces can break in people's life.
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SPEAKER_02: After this period of general denial that struck both the faith and the theology, and that was addressed by Pope Paul VI declaring that who doesn't believe is not Catholic, what was surely weakened both the spiritual life in general and the consciousness by the priest that everything we find in the scripture and in tradition is true.
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SPEAKER_02: That's it.
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SPEAKER_02: The description of the pain to find the priest that would listen to you by Father Ammar, for example, heartbreaking.
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SPEAKER_02: He was in Italy and listened to the people from all over Europe, even before that internet existed, because they were not believed in their countries.
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SPEAKER_02: Even worse, there were cases of exorcists that didn't believe to the devil.
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SPEAKER_02: So they say it's everything psychiatrical, and then Father Amort received a call from the passions.
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SPEAKER_02: He was on the phone, and the person who called from France, for example, wasn't that person anymore, it was the devil that was possessing the person.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's on Father Amort's book, anybody can go and check it.
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SPEAKER_02: Farthermore, we don't have to forget that the Christian life is spiritual warfare.
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SPEAKER_02: The stronger we are in faith and moral, the less harassment we'll suffer.
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SPEAKER_02: The first protection is living a sincere life of faith and letting the Lord take care of us.
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SPEAKER_04: But Dr.
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SPEAKER_04: Francesco, have you met Father Amort in person?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: It was one of my life graces.
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SPEAKER_02: He did bless the bachelor of my first book.
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SPEAKER_02: So I always say this book is worth nothing, but I leave you all in your house, an object blessed by Father Amort.
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SPEAKER_02: About him, he was uh truly like a father.
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SPEAKER_02: It was like uh granddad, maybe, always smiling.
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SPEAKER_02: Smiling, it's not serious type.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_02: I was always telling jokes, uh always playing with children, always smiling.
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SPEAKER_02: No matter who was speaking to, it was always the brightest smile on his face.
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SPEAKER_04: Wow.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because as an exorcist, you should be like authoritative.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, like serious style.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the image we have.
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SPEAKER_02: The more a person is holy, the lighter is B.
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SPEAKER_02: So you can see he was really always smiling, always thinking at you like you were his grandson, maybe.
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SPEAKER_02: You could be the Pope or the last of the scene, the reaction was the same.
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SPEAKER_02: Always smiling in the most beautiful way.
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SPEAKER_04: Wow, that's nice.
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SPEAKER_04: So how how old you are during the 43.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, back then I was maybe 20.
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SPEAKER_02: 20 years ago?
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SPEAKER_02: 23.
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SPEAKER_02: Before he before, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Before he died, yeah, because it was around 2000 maybe, so yeah.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I was at his funeral also.
28:12
SPEAKER_02: And uh there was quite quite anybody on the in the funeral chamber, but at least I could pray with him one last time.
28:24
SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
28:25
SPEAKER_04: So after he died, what do you think is um I mean the effect to the the ministry?
28:31
SPEAKER_02: For general ministry or for Father Amort?
28:34
SPEAKER_02: For general ministry.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: For general ministry, Father Amort in his book told that we could trace seven different periods of the history of Exorcist.
28:45
SPEAKER_02: I guess he started the number eight.
28:47
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
28:48
SPEAKER_02: So everything we see now, more or less his his legacy.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: So that's a huge legacy.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: Right.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: Once he told me, do you know what we're doing here?
29:00
SPEAKER_02: No, father, please tell me.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: We're saving lives.
29:04
SPEAKER_02: How?
29:04
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: Because so many times, not an exorcist, but just a blessing, it's enough to make people stalk to suicide forever.
29:16
SPEAKER_02: Just one blessing.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: And this so many times with rich people, politicians, doctors, uh, meds, whatever.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: Blessing, you go to your family back, and you live the rest of your happy life with the Lord and never go back thinking to suicide.
29:39
SPEAKER_02: And that's the importance of the ministry of exorcism.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
29:45
SPEAKER_02: Can save physical lives and does it tons of times every moment.
29:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but have you been in an actual exorcism, Dr.
29:56
SPEAKER_02: Francis?
29:57
SPEAKER_02: I just saw many cases of liberation prayers.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh I mean the effects on the person were the same, but not uh official exorcism.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: I see, yeah.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: I took many people to Father Amos, for example, but since they were shy, it was only the person.
30:19
SPEAKER_04: Uh before we continue, uh because I just remember that this I don't remember the cardinal who just made an exorcism prayer in Vatican.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: The Italian one, the 1997, maybe 99.
30:32
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's just recently, I mean 20s.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, no, I mean he's so it's very okay.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: Ah, yeah, it's the yeah.
30:38
SPEAKER_02: Cardinal Simone.
30:39
SPEAKER_04: Ah yes, Cardinal Simone, yeah.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: What do you think of that?
30:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's an old man for sure.
30:45
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he knows how to pray.
30:49
SPEAKER_02: He is he was he suffered all his life for Christ.
30:54
SPEAKER_02: Persecution.
30:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: What else you can say?
30:56
SPEAKER_02: What do you think about the if the Holy Spirit inspired him, it was okay to do so.
31:01
SPEAKER_04: Do you think what he does in Vatican has a tremendous effect?
31:05
SPEAKER_04: I mean it clencles the whole thing.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: I hope so.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: At least we won't see any other attack inside St.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: Peter's Basilica.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: At least it was, I hope.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: I wasn't there, so I cannot say so.
31:20
SPEAKER_02: What do you say about Pachoma?
31:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's horrible story.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's an idol.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: That's an idol, and that's known since the arrival of the Augustinians in Peru in the 16th century.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: So I don't really know why, in the only church around the Vatican that has an exorc that had an exorcist in it.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: Uh, in the sacracy there was the exorcist doing his work.
31:44
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: And in the main building of the church, there was an idol doing his work, and they were clashing each other.
31:54
SPEAKER_04: You are convinced that it it was an idol, because some Catholics claim that's I mean, maybe they don't know what an idol is.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's just my opinion.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: Cultural, like uh you know.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: I don't believe in cultural.
32:10
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
32:10
SPEAKER_02: If something wants to detach you from the Lord, it has to suffer at that person's rage.
32:17
SPEAKER_02: Right.
32:17
SPEAKER_02: Divine rage.
32:18
SPEAKER_02: Do you think Father Amor would also agree that it it I mean Father Amot in his book teaches us how to destroy cursed object, maybe it would suffer the same destiny?
32:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, do you think he he would also agree that it was an idol?
32:37
SPEAKER_04: For sure.
32:38
SPEAKER_04: If if he's still alive.
32:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I guess so.
32:41
SPEAKER_04: In the Philippines, we have strong folk beliefs in Encanto, Aswang, or Kula.
32:47
SPEAKER_04: So, how would St.
32:48
SPEAKER_04: Augustine of us distinguish from superstition from real demonic influence?
32:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm fascinated by the similarities between the folk belief around the world, in any country of the world, and what a demon can do, especially as described by Saint Augustine and the other father of the church.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: Actually, the situation you're living nowadays has a very strong similarity with the age of the fathers and of Saint Augustine.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: That was struck me the very first time I met Father Sicia.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: First of all, let me say, also here, what I always say back home, we have to be Catholics before Italians.
33:30
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter where you come from, it matters where you go, and where we have to go is heaven.
33:35
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
33:35
SPEAKER_02: The way to go there is to be Catholic 100%.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: So same thing here.
33:41
SPEAKER_02: A Catholic is in the world but not of the world.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: Also, Hitler has its superstitious practices, but I blame them all together because they are superstition.
33:54
SPEAKER_02: And superstition is itself a sin against the first commandment, as everybody should know from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: Number 2110 to 2141, but especially 2111.
34:08
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: Since it's a great sin against the First Commandment and basically magic, there are high senses that it can lead to diabolical attacks.
34:21
SPEAKER_02: As the statistics says, your priest always repeat tires without uh so because it's forbidden in all of its existing forms, by the first commandment, we had to avoid all of it.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Amen.
34:41
SPEAKER_02: As for the local folk, I believe allow me to call first Father Sikia.
34:46
SPEAKER_02: That is clear on the matter of Vanitos and Encanto.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: And also for the other form you mentioned, you also interviewed Father Wisok Abadin.
34:58
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:59
SPEAKER_02: It's also very clear about that.
35:00
SPEAKER_02: So I guess we can stick to their opinion as leader exorcists here in the Philippines, and as the one who has to face that phenomena and discern about it daily.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: So I will stick to their opinion, as a matter of fact.
35:16
SPEAKER_04: Right.
35:17
SPEAKER_04: And in the rise of social media, there's so many whole content on TikTok.
35:24
SPEAKER_04: I mean, certain anime or manga is opening the youth to demonic influence.
35:30
SPEAKER_04: So would St.
35:31
SPEAKER_04: Augustine agree?
35:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, sure.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: He didn't have any social media.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
35:37
SPEAKER_02: He had the pagan spectacles in the theaters that were feast or any kind of immorality imaginable.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: And he playing that all the time in any speech that he could think of.
35:53
SPEAKER_02: So uh I'm not an asorcist, but I agree totally with whoever said that about anime.
36:01
SPEAKER_02: Before social media, we have normal media, all the kind of media animal could image in the present era worldwide, anime and manga are spreading having content.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: Worldwide.
36:13
SPEAKER_02: But before that, there was Hollywood and all the American companies.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: Santa Agostin at his time, at the Pagon Spectacle, as I already mentioned, they were immoral that sometimes they were even forbidden to show.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: Again, the problem is the same.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: To quote another father, why should we go to participate in something that neither our eyes can see without scening?
36:37
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: So why should I waste my time on anime that teach how to call a demon?
36:43
SPEAKER_02: But this doesn't tell me that if I do that, I'll destroy my life being demon possessed.
36:50
SPEAKER_02: I won't.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
36:52
SPEAKER_02: That should be clear.
36:53
SPEAKER_02: That's also what St.
36:55
SPEAKER_02: Augustine suggests for his style.
36:58
SPEAKER_04: And Augustine fought against pagan demon mediators.
37:01
SPEAKER_04: So in our time, how does this theology expose modern spiritual but not religious practices like astrology, crystal, or energy healing?
37:12
SPEAKER_02: Follow me for first a term clarification: pagan, witches, cutists, Satanist, possessive person, and all kinds of deceivers use terms that lead in Confucian Christian or the people of goodwill and let them think, oh, this might be a good person.
37:32
SPEAKER_02: There is only one way to be spiritual, and that's not claimed but verified by facts.
37:46
SPEAKER_02: This will grant respect of the commandments, love of God, love of the neighbor, and true spiritual life.
37:52
SPEAKER_02: Except for this meaning, the word spiritual is a trickery made to save.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: Try to imagine if I have to give you my calling card.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: Will I sound better saying spiritual person or spiritic practitioner?
38:08
SPEAKER_02: The right term for the so-called spirituals have no relation with God but only with spirits, demon is spiritic.
38:17
SPEAKER_02: And that immediately clarified the danger for they are for normal people.
38:21
SPEAKER_02: Before I forget.
38:23
SPEAKER_02: Also, the astrology was one of the practices that Saint Augustine condemned directly because it was already present in paganism and clearly denounced them as magic, and so in relation with the demons and not with the Lord.
38:40
SPEAKER_04: Many you today are their line is I'm not religious but spiritual.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's meaning no sense.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: Already Father Amher told this.
38:49
SPEAKER_02: There's no way one can be Christian but not with the church, in the church, but not with the Lord, that's ridiculous.
38:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's ridiculous.
38:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Augustine says demons are pop up with pride because of knowledge without charity.
39:04
SPEAKER_04: So, how does this explain why highly intelligent people, even some theologians or influencers, sometimes fall into serious error or spiritual deception?
39:14
SPEAKER_02: So St.
39:15
SPEAKER_02: Augustine has a very beautiful phrase here again.
39:18
SPEAKER_02: If you want to believe, understand.
39:21
SPEAKER_02: Amen.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: If you want to understand, believe.
39:24
SPEAKER_02: Right.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's no better explanation of this.
39:28
SPEAKER_02: So this will leave no space for the enemy to deceive us in any way.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: As long we're under the Lord's light, there will be no problem.
39:39
SPEAKER_02: Errors and accepts always possible, no matter how big we are.
39:42
SPEAKER_02: This is why saints are made after that and not before.
39:46
SPEAKER_02: Because how, for example, they wear nuts suit.
39:49
SPEAKER_02: That's not the case.
39:51
SPEAKER_02: A clear knowledge of the doctrine will guard our intellect from errors, and the lively spiritual life made of prayers, sacraments, and works of charity will guard us from deception as well.
40:04
SPEAKER_02: Instead, the sin always makes us fall both intellectually and spiritually, and we won't understand the full consequences until the Lord delivers us from his grasp.
40:17
SPEAKER_02: So, for example, there's a beautiful story about Saint Margherita of Cortona.
40:23
SPEAKER_02: She was she had a sinful relation with a man who never became his husband, but who gave her a son.
40:33
SPEAKER_02: And so she escaped within the middle age in Italy.
40:36
SPEAKER_02: She escaped her house, and to reach this man, she has to take a boat to cross the lake.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: By doing so, suddenly the weather changes.
40:46
SPEAKER_02: The boat is about to sink and she's about to die.
40:50
SPEAKER_02: But somehow she goes on the other one, the other side of the lake.
40:56
SPEAKER_02: Then she is with this man, she has this one, and then after a couple of times, this man dies in a haunting accident.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: So she's kicked out of the house of the man.
41:08
SPEAKER_02: And she has no any place to go.
41:10
SPEAKER_02: So she converts, she does a life of penance, and she grows in relationship with the Lord till she becomes a saint.
41:19
SPEAKER_02: And once she becomes a saint, the Lord tells us and shows us all her past life.
41:25
SPEAKER_02: In the moment she was crossing the lake about sink, and she he told her, Do you think you made it to the other side because of luck?
41:36
SPEAKER_02: It was me who defended you against the evil one that wants you to sink and die in sin.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: And it was me who took you out to the other side.
41:47
SPEAKER_02: Because it was me who knew that you with my grace could be my children.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: That's one of the most moving stories I ever heard about the sound.
41:58
SPEAKER_04: And Augustine wrote ex extensively on the city of God versus City of Man.
42:03
SPEAKER_04: In today's polarized world of politics and cultural wars, how does demonic influence play out in dividing the church and society?
42:12
SPEAKER_02: So I don't talk about this in this book, but our saint has also a clear political view.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: To rule a person has to be a person of God.
42:22
SPEAKER_02: Only in this way he can do real good for people.
42:26
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, what he called the city of the devil is always fighting against the city of God.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: Against the church, as we can see what he describes as satanic hate in the persecutors of martyrs.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: The term devil, by the way, means the one who divides.
42:45
SPEAKER_02: So if he can detach somebody or more than one from the church and from the salvation that's here, he is working fine in the society and its parts.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: Right.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
42:56
SPEAKER_04: Some claim that certain Marian apparitions or charismatic phenomena could be demonic counterfeit.
43:02
SPEAKER_04: Tell us about that.
43:03
SPEAKER_02: For sure, yeah.
43:05
SPEAKER_02: It's the Vatican in the end that has to declare if an apparition is true or false.
43:10
SPEAKER_02: It's not enough that something appears to say that it's good.
43:14
SPEAKER_02: Something appeared even in paganism, but it never was the Lord or one of his saints, and neither his mother.
43:21
SPEAKER_02: The demonic counterfeits have always been since the Paganists stop to be an effective way to deceive.
43:30
SPEAKER_02: Every single aspect of the spiritual life, even the material ones, can be counterfeited.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: For personal discernment, I'd stick to the Holy Spirit and sincere prayer life while waiting to have a response from the Vatican, or at least stick to the direction of the spiritual father if I can twin the doubt about the nature of the apparition.
43:55
SPEAKER_02: But as the old saying goes Roma locuta can House of Inita, if Rome spoke, that's the end of the matter.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: It means that if something is declared false, it is false and we have to stay away from it for the sake of all our souls.
44:13
SPEAKER_04: Right.
44:14
SPEAKER_04: That's it.
44:14
SPEAKER_04: In the age of rapid circulation, declining faith in the Philippines, is the increase in reported possession a sign of God's mercy, uh, Dr.
44:25
SPEAKER_04: Francesco, or is it a judgment from the Lord?
44:30
SPEAKER_02: I mean, judge will be count, that's for sure.
44:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
44:33
SPEAKER_02: But we don't know when.
44:35
SPEAKER_02: It could be before the end of my next phase.
44:38
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
44:39
SPEAKER_02: Or in centuries.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: This is why as kids we were taught to pray married, because while we are okay, we can ask for a help in moment of need, and this saved many souls.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: As we don't know the moment of our judgment, we don't know the moment of the final one either.
44:59
SPEAKER_02: We have to live in faith and grow in grace, always to be found worthy of heaven, or at least of purgatory.
45:08
SPEAKER_02: Also, uh, the grace of a good dead that means a pass away moment filled by the grace of the sacraments and of solution is something to remember to us.
45:20
SPEAKER_02: I will recommend the practice of nine first Friday of the month about this, and even of the five first Saturdays.
45:27
SPEAKER_02: As for the increase of number of cases, it's a sign that the people is way more sinner than before, and it was than evil in occult practices.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: Rights and cults.
45:42
SPEAKER_02: As already quoted, all this occult stuff belonged to the enemy.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: There is no wonder that people suffer from it.
45:49
SPEAKER_02: Nobody, good or bad, would jump in the lion's pit and think that the lion didn't find the free snack.
45:56
SPEAKER_02: It's it.
45:57
SPEAKER_02: Furthermore, the real problem is mortal sin, not the demonic possession.
46:04
SPEAKER_02: Because after sin, we're under the complete dominion of the devil, while under possession, only our body is usurpated.
46:15
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
46:16
SPEAKER_02: A person that dies in sin, may the law spare all of us, will go to hell.
46:22
SPEAKER_02: The possessive person is not accountable for what he does in that condition.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: In the end, if we want to see a sign is this, is that the mercy of God covers each one of the afflicted person and doesn't leave them and their beloved ones.
46:41
SPEAKER_02: I guess this is the sign about this.
46:43
SPEAKER_04: Just like this the what happened to Annalise Michelle.
46:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the I'm not familiar with that story, but Emily Rose.
46:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like I could see dozen here.
46:55
SPEAKER_02: Anybody who approached me has stories about ideas to share.
47:00
SPEAKER_02: So anybody here could write at least four or five books of stories.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: So it's a wonderful place to be.
47:08
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
47:09
SPEAKER_04: Uh do you think the the the rise of possession now or demonic uh is alarming right now on Dr.
47:18
SPEAKER_04: Francesco?
47:19
SPEAKER_02: Right now?
47:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, sure, sure.
47:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it wasn't scarce before.
47:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
47:29
SPEAKER_02: It was that nobody was watching.
47:31
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
47:32
SPEAKER_02: So now that we have awareness.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: Awareness that we are looking, we can find oh this thing happens.
47:38
SPEAKER_02: Never stop to happen.
47:40
SPEAKER_02: So why weren't we too weren't we looking before?
47:43
SPEAKER_02: Because people forgot about that or didn't want to look that worse.
47:49
SPEAKER_04: Okay, I see.
47:51
SPEAKER_04: So if Saint Augustine were alive today and saw the spiritual battles in the Philippines, uh what single message of hope will he will give to uh families, to youth, and uh to evangelists like you and me?
48:06
SPEAKER_02: Just one more, Christ.
48:08
SPEAKER_02: Adore him, pray him, love him, follow him, obey.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: You want one more?
48:13
SPEAKER_02: Jesus and Mary.
48:15
SPEAKER_02: Pray them, love them, follow them, obey them.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
48:18
SPEAKER_02: Do this, and you'll tell me testimonies testimonies of heavenly grace next time.
48:23
SPEAKER_02: Praise be to the Lord.
48:25
SPEAKER_04: Amen.
48:26
SPEAKER_04: And Dr.
48:27
SPEAKER_04: Francesco, why do you love being Catholic?
48:30
SPEAKER_02: Because it's truth, because it's heavenly truth, because it's only truth that can fill up our heart.
48:38
SPEAKER_02: As Saint Augustine said, You made our heart for you, and they have no peace until they rest in you.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: That's nothing best of this phrase to describe why anybody should be Catholic.
48:50
SPEAKER_02: Right.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: So there's no any path to salvation.
48:54
SPEAKER_02: Not anyone.
48:56
SPEAKER_02: Except that.
48:58
SPEAKER_02: I mean, many could disagree, but I don't care.
49:02
SPEAKER_04: Dr.
49:03
SPEAKER_04: Francesco, how can our viewers follow your work and obtain a copy of your book?
49:08
SPEAKER_02: I mean, maybe they can can you show them this is your book.
49:14
SPEAKER_02: This is from Father Renzo, and this is from me.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: On the Aretcham publishing.
49:22
SPEAKER_04: Satan the Angel of Evil and Saint Augustine Demonology.
49:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so I'll just put the publisher where they can find Wonderful.
49:32
SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much.
49:34
SPEAKER_04: But in international store where they can find Oh, I guess they can find here.
49:38
SPEAKER_04: I mean it is it available in Amazon?
49:42
SPEAKER_04: I don't know that.
49:43
SPEAKER_04: That's up to the Ah so we just publish it here.
49:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
49:48
SPEAKER_04: Oh for the Philippines.
49:50
SPEAKER_04: For the Philippines.
49:51
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
49:52
SPEAKER_04: For the village.
49:54
SPEAKER_02: For the minister.
49:55
SPEAKER_04: Oh, so that's amazing.
49:58
SPEAKER_04: I'm sure there will be.
49:59
SPEAKER_04: I mean, because people watch me internationally, maybe they will ask where they can.
50:05
SPEAKER_02: That's also the very first time that this book is published outside Italy.
50:11
SPEAKER_02: So right.
50:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, maybe if someone will uh publisher from international will connect with you, they maybe probably so it's okay.
50:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, this will be amazing.
50:21
SPEAKER_04: I know someone who can help you publish it in in the United States.
50:26
SPEAKER_04: Wonderful, that would be great.
50:27
SPEAKER_04: I'll connect with it to you, Dr.
50:29
SPEAKER_04: Francesco.
50:30
SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much.
50:31
SPEAKER_04: What do you want us to pray for you?
50:33
SPEAKER_04: Oh, for the salvation of the souls, even mine.
50:38
SPEAKER_02: How many are you praying?
50:40
SPEAKER_02: How many are you praying?
50:42
SPEAKER_02: I don't really know.
50:43
SPEAKER_02: Whatever, any moment I can.
50:47
SPEAKER_02: What uh what's your favorite saint?
50:50
SPEAKER_02: My pre my preferred saint.
50:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh all of them.
50:54
SPEAKER_02: All together.
50:56
SPEAKER_02: But if I have to pick one.
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SPEAKER_02: Saint Augustine! Yeah, St.
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SPEAKER_02: Agostin also is very, very, very kind of father.
51:05
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
51:06
SPEAKER_02: So the very first time I played it, him was breathtaking.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I didn't say anything, I was already on my knees.
51:16
SPEAKER_02: That's nice.
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SPEAKER_02: What he was doing, not me.
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SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I mean that's okay.
51:21
SPEAKER_02: We're friends now.
51:24
SPEAKER_02: But also Saint Gemma Galgani, she has all my heart, so that's nice.
51:29
SPEAKER_02: She so many graces all around the world that I mean, just look at her in the eyes and you will see part of it.
51:37
SPEAKER_04: Gemma Galgani.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: The one who saw someone on hell.
51:44
SPEAKER_04: Yes, she has a vision, this uh prayerful husband that was in hell.
51:50
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I don't I don't remember, but no, but she was the an Italian mystic, yes, yes, right.
51:58
SPEAKER_02: And she was the first one to have all the bones of the passion of Christ altogether.
52:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's wonderful.
52:05
SPEAKER_02: How about Padre Pio?
52:07
SPEAKER_02: Oh, what to say about Padre Pio?
52:09
SPEAKER_02: He's a giant, not even a champion, he's a giant.
52:13
SPEAKER_02: That's how Father Amor called him the giant.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and thank you so much, Dr.
52:20
SPEAKER_04: Francesco, for this wonderful, amazing interview.
52:23
SPEAKER_02: It's really my pleasure to be here.
52:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, this is once in a life opportunity.
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SPEAKER_04: Maybe next year we can meet again and absolutely wonderful.
52:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
52:31
SPEAKER_04: It's nice to see you and sharing all this information about St.
52:34
SPEAKER_04: Augustine and your work and your knowledge about deliverance exorcism ministry.
52:41
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for this.
52:42
SPEAKER_02: It's it was really an amazing opportunity for me.
52:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the pleasure of mine, Dr.
52:47
SPEAKER_04: Francesco.
52:48
SPEAKER_04: And uh before we end, could you close us with a prayer if if if we said it's okay?
52:54
SPEAKER_04: Sure, for sure.
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SPEAKER_02: In another spirit.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
53:00
SPEAKER_02: Please, Lord, send our your send us your grace.
53:05
SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
53:06
SPEAKER_02: Bless anybody on the water, anybody who's watching, anybody who's feeling oppressed by the enemy.
53:12
SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
53:13
SPEAKER_02: Anybody's suffering doesn't find a solution, please bless them with our most precious blood for the intercession of our mother, the blessed Virgin Mary, and for the intercession of Saint Augustine, Saint Germain, and all the saints in heaven.
53:36
SPEAKER_02: Glory be to the Father, to the Son, to the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_04: As it was in the beginning, is now whenever it shall be worked a name.
53:43
SPEAKER_04: Amen.
53:45
SPEAKER_04: The Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
53:48
SPEAKER_04: Amen.
53:48
SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much, Dr.
53:50
SPEAKER_04: Francesco.
53:51
SPEAKER_04: And I would like to thank the US USD Central Seminary for lending us this beautiful place in Dominic Hall.
53:59
SPEAKER_04: Especially thanking Father Raven Garcia, one of the formators here in seminary.
54:05
SPEAKER_04: So thank you, and thank you, Dr.
54:07
SPEAKER_04: Francesco.
54:08
SPEAKER_04: God bless you.
54:09
SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much.
54:10
SPEAKER_04: Bye bye.
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