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EL TREN DE LA VIDA 25-04-24 · EL TREN DE LA VIDA

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Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
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train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
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want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
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a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
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and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.
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This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
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many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us authentic free come
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I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all, which
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will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life.
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Mother. Good morning, Spain. Good morning, friends and friends, welcome
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to this fast- moving train as life itself, the fascinating adventure of life
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seen and felt through a train like life this living parable. Thirty years later,
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here we continue with more than 1, 600 programs under way. The
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train of life goes on. Here we go. Come with me. You
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can sell your soul to the devil. You' re selling your soul.
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These days he thought of those who certainly sell their soul to the devil explicitly,
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but also of those who do it implicitly, without even noticing themselves,
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in many cases, that they are mortgaged their lives for all eternity. And
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this is no joke. In universal literature, this topic has been discussed on
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several occasions. The most famous works in this regard, among others, are
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Fausto de Goeth, the Lord of the Rings, also of Tolkin and,
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of course, the portrait of Dorian Grey, of Oscar Walde. Selling the
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soul to the devil is also, in some way, a metaphor about giving
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material importance to what it does not deserve at the cost of what it does
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deserve. The soul represents being and what is obtained in exchange for selling it
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is to have or obtain something wealth or possessions or status. Many people are
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hungry for power, fame, wealth, among many other human ambitions and from
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what we see and hear, we realize that such people are willing to all,
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in many cases, in order to achieve what they propose and it is
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really disturbing, besides extremely dangerous to enter into the deep throat of the devil,
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flirting with witchcraft, sorceries and satanic covenants that de facto imprison souls of
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infinity of many unwary who choose immediate pleasure and temporary success in exchange for the
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loss of their precious souls. This may seem incredible at this point in a
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world as sophisticated as Ours and increasingly cautious of consciousness. Unfortunately, however,
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in these last times we observe with greater intensity the seduction of thousands of people
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fascinated by this sinister mephistopheles understand, the same devil who is even able to
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offer to the own children of God, as the case of Balaam, all
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the kingdoms of this world in exchange for a sick desire for supreme worship to
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his person. One of the most biblical, more paradigmatic cases found in the
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scriptures is that of Judas Iscariot, who was made to lose his soul by
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the greedy obsession of stealing and making easy money at a cost of betraying God
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’ s own son. When Jesus said that the thief has come to steal,
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kill and destroy, he was perfectly describing the same satan who has become
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the wicked thief of the precious souls of human beings that we are made in
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the image and likeness of God. But what is extraordinary is what declares Jesus
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himself in this very scripture. But I have come that you may have life
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and that you may have it abundantly Jesus gives us eternal life by sincere trust
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in his person and, moreover, offers us an abundant life. This means
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the pleroma or fullness of the Holy Spirit, which gives us the true spiritual
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power to live a Christian life, victorious and enjoy a new identity and the
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abundant riches of his grace. This yes, which is a life with purpose
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and a safe destiny. The sky, the train of life. Life,
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ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this master car of the train of life,
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and I say masterful because it is a place. Those who are tuned to
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us have entered epically into the magisterial wagon of the train of life, because
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any of our friends are welcomed. This is a popular train, as our
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friend Luis Alfredo says. This is a popular train. It' s everyone
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' s train. No one is excluded here. It' s an inclusive
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train. All good men and women have a place here in this train of
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life. Thirty years later, he said one thousand six hundred more programs we
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already exceeded two thousand six hundred, which there is nae. Thirty years,
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for five years, two three- hour weekly editions of the train of life.
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And, well, the rest of the years, because every week and
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at the point of the appointment, we always meet with thousands of people throughout
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the Spanish geography. But what' s also interesting is that we have a
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lot of hours, also about six zero hours of radio over them in the
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magazine of the train of life. Well, I don' t remember I
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worked with Luis del Olmo in zero wave, in the various zero wave work
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teams that we worked in several, in various sections, and also with Julia
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Otero and other local programs and among others, tough from the last years of
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the nineties and they gave him the doctor one and cause without having studied journalism.
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Well, I' ve studied journalism, but of course the bachelor'
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s degree, because it requires more intensity. But they gave him doctor honoris
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cause for his presence on the radio. Well, I don' t ask
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that much. Nor do I compare myself with the great master of radio journalists,
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as Luis del Olmo has been. I still live a man really very,
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very good person, at least in the deal that I knew, and
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besides, a professional like the cup of a pine that marked the path of
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the Creo, the radio talk and many more things. But well, at
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least I think that de facto we could be considered worthy of being present on
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the waves. Our team, my whole team, here we are, too.
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This morning, we' ll be with Victor Minoni, sesca flat gumá
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look. We need a book growing more together, a guide for couples today.
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This book has been written by Esther Martínez la Vera, the psychologist and
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professor of the University Rovira de Virgilli, here in Tarragona, of Evolutionary Psychology,
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and Eduardo Brasier, a senior journalist and pastor, a man who has
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really marked the path. He was for many years the director of Youth for
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Christ, also a couple who have really contributed a lot to the evangelical world,
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to the Christian faith and here a book by Esther Martínez with Eduardo Braciel,
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but Victor Mironis sesca flatagumá make an explosive combination in the sense. This
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work contains ten different chapters of theoretical and psychological. Theological application supported in biblical
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accounts with Eduardo Brasier the first part with ester and then with Victoris It is
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practical dynamics to develop and internalize concepts of family, couple, life. Listen
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to the book. I' ve been doing a quick reading of the book
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and I tell you one thing. This book had to be studied in universities.
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I' m telling you for real. Hey, for the book building
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and then the contribution so rich. Well, growing up more together with Victor
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miron sesca human plan, we' ve been able to gather all four of
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them for their chores. But we have captured the attention of Victor and sesca
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that we will have them online by zool and also of course, through the
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waves in many Spanish cities on the train of life. We then have a
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meeting with our friend, clinical psychologist Daniel Garso a, a man already so
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experienced and who brings us a lot every time he talks to us solving disagreements
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and family or conflicts eh, but we' re going to solve problems.
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Here they make us a very positive proposal and a road map and many aspects
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of landscapes of family life with victor seskai Esther and Eduardo Brasier. But now
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we have the clinical psychologist solving disagreements and family conflicts, Daniel Gaso, you
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know that he is wise and so precise that he enlightens us with so many
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questions. Well, then, let' s see him give us tools to
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get out of some traffic jam than anyone else we have a partner or family,
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there on the train of life. And then we had the pleasure of
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having a communication these days with Alfonso Guevara. He is pastor, even dean
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of pastors, professor in many theological faculties and very good writer. Pastors have
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to read two of their free, fleshly shepherds and the life of the shepherd,
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who are magnificent. We talked about that a little bit, too.
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But the presentation of his book, a book that has caught my attention by
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the title so simple but so powerful. Jesus in everything, Jesus in everything?
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And He puts thirteen aspects of life, where Jesus is or is not
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Jesus in everything or Jesus in nothing. But the title draws my attention a
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lot, but the quality, let' s say literary, of Alfonso'
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s pen deserves the attention of this book, which is very good. It
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' s a book that impacts Jesus on everything. He will tell us a
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little about his things, his books, his trajectory, and especially about this
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international presentation of Jesus in everything. Alfonso guevara here on the train of life.
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Good music, good company and many more things. Here we go.
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I' m going to do whatever it is, whatever source house,
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I' m not going to do what they want me to be. Even
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if the world moves from me. I want to be, I want to
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be one more, a drinking roper, of water, of fernal life,
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of calf fuck. I gave myself early to live with is the one I
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copied it with about two and I tend to live. That big man pesangs
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the morgues. I also give myself so to love my not to die goats
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to your love. That' s not what it looks like. When I
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pass I see tori as well you sing to your love onc does not know
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when you marry, but of the life that I stay with you, I
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prefer it. I don' t have, I don' t want moms
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love Conndali home gets in my head and in the challenge no longer thought wrong.
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I can' t, because I' m going to be alone in
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your living room, because you can' t give and as here, I
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' m going to take her, see you happy and she' ll bring
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us back. He just wants to do what his father wants you to do,
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what you want nothing. My will dies in my heart. He prefers
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that you want to do what you want, whatever it is. That that
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was said, I will not do what they want, that I am man,
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that we do not sell you I want you to be a glass,
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a glass to go from drinking as from the life of I will offer to
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them and I enjoy living to heaven. God your path entrusted to this.
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I enjoy living if I always expect to think, but death you see it
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' s inside. I' m also going to sea issues as I open
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up to love is that, it doesn' t know that much happens.
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But this one, as you know Saint Love, is so, you do
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not know or Saint, but this one that is worth one and I do
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not find myself. You know who the tom As galas bar is, this
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General for Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. We'
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re right next to you You deserve to be a cat. We' re
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going to support myself with every show of support for a battered woman. The
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to visit our website www wble. Stop the train of life? Stop the
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train of life? Port ulti p proyecto. Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
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we are already in a station with good friends. It has been said that
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a happy and lasting marriage is the result of an intentional work, walking together
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together beside the creator of marriage, creator with capital. Hey, I was
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reading this book, doing a quick reading of the book, and I'
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ll tell you one thing when I read the book. Aside from there are
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mountains of books related to family, couples, conjugal life, etcetera, etcetera.
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But with four people like Esther Martínez, he psychotized them from evolutionary psychology
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and professor of Eduardo Brasil University, journalist, senior pastor, a very experienced
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man, Victor Mirón, as well as pastor, also counselor, family,
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master in therapy, family, presidents of family, family together with sesca flatagomá
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that is iDen de lo iDen and with the trajectory the experience that they have
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been bringing since the 1990s, with more intensity ninety I tell you are thirty
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- two years that with an unstoppable intensity, they created the Ministry of Family
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Family, when in Spain, in our communities, the issue was barely addressed
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in an orderly way and marriages were prepared to give the passage of marriage liaison
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and other such things that have been taking place in these years. They were
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pioneers in this case Victor Isheska and Bueno and they have given us some books
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like this combined with other authors as well. But these books, this book
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of these four, I would say characters. Allow me to review it yesterday
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of these days, which I was reading and was saying this Treaty would have
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to be given in universities, at least in Christian universities, but in others.
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They don' t want to, because it' s an architecture about
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preventing, working, correcting, strengthening conjugal life, family life, relational life.
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This book is good. Really. I' m not saying that because
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they' re my friends who are, who are also very close in my
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heart, but it' s true. When things are the way they are,
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believe me, they must be valued. A gria for today' s
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couples growing more together. This is the book that editorial clie already has for
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sale, that is, they can directly in the bookstores of the cities in
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question or editorial cli on their platform. And I welcome my friends. Victor
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Mirón Sethka Plana Guma, good morning dears, how about good? Days out,
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how' s it going? We' re fine, if I'
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m going to introduce myself. You made us guys. Well, yeah,
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well, but it' s true, it' s not true. I
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' m telling you the truth. Well, I see glowing. Uh,
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yeah, yeah, well, it' ll be, it' ll be,
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it' ll be the light. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah?
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Well, yeah, yeah, it' s not true. Listen to
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such a long- awaited book. This was almost the birth of the donkey.
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Not with this book, good, and of the mountains and mountains.
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And if the donkeys take so many, turn up. I' ve never
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looked like one, but that' s a big wall. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, well, yeah, it' s been elaborate man. It
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has cost us time because, in fact, and long ago we had to
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write and sometimes it takes a push from someone to be able to write truth,
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but it also thinks it was managed before the pandemic. And the pandemic
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has shaken us all, it has delayed everything. So, this book should
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have come out possibly just a year ago and the pandemic on top of that
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I' ve been a long birth. The pandemic has made it even longer
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also Julio, a book written to four humans. Yeah, well, four,
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four, four by four, sixteen hands that we have two each difficult
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is more. It' s not agile bread like when you do write one.
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No, although, on the other hand, it can and is much
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richer working together, also with Eduardo Ester has been very, very, very,
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very constructive Pa for everyone. We' ve all learned from the four
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of us and it' s been great working together really and easily. Grace,
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well, there are several elements, a good friendship, but also that
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you have lectured many together, you have done workshops forums and many things.
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And that' s also a very, very important contribution to describing, that
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it' s not easy to write with four hands, it' s difficult,
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I say to agree, but here they interact several things that are perfect
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for a book like this. The topic of theoretical and psychological, the theoretical
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and psychological contribution of what is family, good marriage, begins with marriage and
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becomes a family From a moment on, the theological application supports giving in biblical
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accounts that I have loved. The characters that appear at every scene in the
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house, we' ll talk about it a little bit. This is also
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our friend, Eduardo Brasier, as a good theologian and pastor, and well,
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you are also pastors, but practical dynamics in order to develop and internalize
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these concepts. And that' s where you get into action. Well,
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you get in the rag with a lot of questions. So the truth is
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that this book I have said and I would say it again in the end,
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this book is a book to be studied in theological faculties, at least,
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uh it would be good in the faculties of the country, to be
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worked. So you' re actually looking out for it, you said.
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There are many books and it is true, fortunately, that speak of the
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relationship of couple, marriage, family, etcetera. But I dare say that
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this is unique in the sense that you have well mentioned, it is not
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a book that is not only in the psychological or relational part, but that
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there is a book to give tools, to put into action what you have
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read. And even more so if you are a Christian, for it gives
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you even examples in the Bible from which we can learn and realize that what
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is happening today, because it was also happening many years ago, that we
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are not living something new in a sense as seen, the basics, and
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that everything has its solution and its path to improvement and enrichment. Yes,
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yes, well, it' s good to think about the position marriages insist
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on each section. This is genius, because it' s a practical bet.
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After reading, for example, we entered the chapter. First, there
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is good, obviously, you have to read the book, because it has
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a lot of enjundia. Together at the entrance we' ll get in what
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' s going on. We' re already in through a house and what
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' s going on in that driveway. Well, at that entrance what we
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got in. We enter with great enthusiasm, we enter with expectations, with
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great desire. But when we get in, we don' t just come
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in, but we also get the backpack that we carry behind each of our
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families, what we' ve learned from family. Each one leads to his
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expectation, his idea of family, because it is in which he lived,
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for good or for evil and for both. Second, also your life experiences
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before, also your illusions truth and all this, and who is it?
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Who is it? He as a person. And all this makes a potyptoti
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not that comes in with all the illusion and comes in with our suitcases inside
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the house. And then, there, we have to get to know each
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other and start seeing the first situations. And I think that' s interesting,
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being able to talk and be able to have a good start, because
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a good start, although it' s not determining true, but it always
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helps to have a good development afterwards. And how many times in the start
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is when many have failed because they do not realize the importance of preparing to
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enter this new building. And if you' ve seen the metaphor we'
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ve used is the metaphor of a house, in the different situations or rooms
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that may be in an apartment, in a house, then we get this
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idea of this metaphor to move around the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The truth is that I have gone through the house with this book and
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if you talk about all the questions, at least as far as I know
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or have seen or heard from my pastoral experience that you live from another angle,
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I say you deal with plans, all the potential situations that can be
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given and the most complex, even many of the most complex. We got
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to the living room together and that' s where we' re entering another
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phase. Right. Yes, In fact, in every stay of the House
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we address the basic, basic and most important issues of the relationship. For
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example, together in the living room is the subject of communication. It gives
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a sense of relaxation when you sit on the sofa and it is a good
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place to communicate, to come to the heart, to listen, to share
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how one feels to share what one expects, desires or is saddened or concerned
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about. The living room is the place where we address here the issue as
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important and basic as the topic of communication, communication. We would be like
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blood to life, to publication, to couple, to marriage, to everything
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we do. We communicate, we communicate desires, we communicate anger, we
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communicate joy, we communicate sadness, we express ourselves to all kinds of communication
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movements. Then that' s having that time to be able to talk quietly,
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having a coffee or whatever it takes or a sherry according to ball or
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s or whatever it takes, but power in that time to relax and be
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able to talk and be able to contrast some things. There it can come
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out, because I know some of the issues that it touches to ester is
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precisely the almost ill- treatment. Sometimes, because there is a lot of
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abuse at the psychological level as well. So, things like that go down
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and then, like you said, each area has a counseling section, which
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is our part, and that' s where the Armariage Position system is that
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in the end as GPS, GPS, you say steal where you' re
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the most from the car, because here the idea was the same, which
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is a little bit of coaching yourself, that is, where we were with
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this topic, where we' re in communication, and the next question is
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where and where we want to go. So, interact the two of you
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and be able to come to a conclusion, if possible. We try to
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reach the end that of everything you have read flash they reach some points of
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action, to specific aspects, as that communication. That is the living room
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yes and you also talk about the real dangers, the danger of infidelity,
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the repercussions of a separation in the life of our children, violence and abuse,
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fleeing from n egocentrism, seeking protection, going and the body, the
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danger of family disintegration, etcetera. There are things in each section very important
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to probe and meditate, already to take into account. We arrived in the
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kitchen, the spouses cooks of family relationships. There' s a lot of
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cloth in there. Not in the kitchen, the Marster Sheff of the best
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of all, but the fabric, because there we talk about roles. What
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does, what, the payatis, macaroni and all that and it' s
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already out of here you don' t get what' s so important,
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no and how many fights, arguments and misunderstandings of valuable roles. No,
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it looks like the kitchen' s good. This waste is now, fortunately,
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I' m seeing July lately that more men than women enter the kitchen.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it' s me going in to bite,
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I' m in. Yeah, that' s right. I'
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m still yours Victor. But, but, but, but, but,
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the but, the truth is that there are many men now, all of
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me for my children, my son- in- law, are more cooks
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than my daughter- in- law and me and my daughter at home.
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Yeah, actually. Yeah, yeah,' cause because they' re born,
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they' re born Let' s go. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah? That' s right. Not good, whoever we intend in
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this chapter, the three or the six. Well, I say the three
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of you, the six Esther Edward and Victorio, the four of you,
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not the six of you. I don' t even know how to tell
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is to talk about roles, not how important, which is that everyone is
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in the right place in the relationship. No and do whatever you do by
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giving a hundred percent, because if there is no correct understanding of roles,
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there are recriminations. One seems to be working more than the other and it
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is a discussion that leads nowhere and rather, what they do is distance the
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relationship. Then we played this topic in depth at the Council. There is
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a very concrete case and we think that we give good tools to work on
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this issue of roles, that it is very important to work it and go
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into the hall earlier when we enter the marriage, to be able to talk
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about this topic very clearly and not on the way, although good if it
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has not been done, because it was going on the way. It'
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s always good to do it at one time or another, but especially when
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the relationship starts how interesting and we keep going around the house. And there
34:40
is a moment that I like very much because we confront or face our inner
34:45
life together in front of the mirror, as we are truly individually as well
34:52
as as as a couple. And then there are many aspects of the imperative
34:54
need to live slowly and also the necessary wit the temple of the spirit,
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both emotions. Then he talks a lot about the inner life, about our
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need to make an introspection about us. That' s not much of a
35:09
normal deal, is it? There is no less and less in our circles,
35:16
sometimes to Christians that we super- spiritualize everything, and it seems that
35:23
a Christian person cannot have ambiguous feelings or cannot have difficult situations as in his
35:32
or her area. No, and that relates to spirituality And it' s
35:37
a big mistake, because in ours we are formed of emotions and emotions is
35:44
like an inner passage that we all carry. No, it' s hard
35:49
to get in there. Some are more extroverted and others less. But worked
35:52
emotions. It' s important to look at one thing I wanted to tell
36:00
you before, but also the cases, the welcome home, which is our
36:07
part, are real cases. These are cases that we have worked through our
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time, but I would say basically since the last decade and they would almost
36:19
say the last few years. They' re very real cases. What happens
36:22
is that we have changed the scenario and the names and all the truth,
36:30
but they are cases that we have attended in our personal counseling, in situations
36:36
that have presented themselves. And it is curious because in every chapter that,
36:42
as I say, as we have said these three sections, ours, which
36:45
is that of the Council. It is curious because, for example, on
36:49
the subject of communication, the case we are dealing with, as Victor said,
36:53
is a real case, but it is that we could here. But
36:57
in a real case it is that the vast majority great majority who come to
37:01
a consultation for a topic of bad communication is that we all look very much
37:07
alike, is that it differs little, there is a different environment, obviously,
37:12
but what is the basis. I say this because sometimes we can think
37:16
that only this happens to me and this is like very dramatic, and it
37:22
' s dramatic if I don' t look for a solution, if I
37:25
don' t look for tools to help me. But we have to know
37:28
that we all look a lot alike, that we are working on the same
37:34
boat, to say, somehow and wishing to go to the same place and
37:38
we need tools. That' s why, when we play, we take
37:44
a case in the communication case, it' s good for everyone. It
37:47
serves everyone, because in what tools are given to help a better communication to
37:52
all marriages, that we read this chapter, we have better, worse communication.
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Something' s gonna fill us up real sure. Yeah,' cause
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we look alike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have similar similarities,
38:07
no doubt and we come to a very interesting point together in the bedroom.
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This I if anyone has heard speak well and clearly of this is to you
38:16
and especially good to both, but especially to Victor who enters into matter to
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good break taboos. I knew at this point, no more, no more,
38:30
there is no place. But this conjugating the verb love in all its
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times and seeing or loving in sexuality among other things, et cetera, et
38:38
cetera. There are many very important distances here. This theme is how important
38:45
you give it together in the bedroom. Well, it' s vital to
38:52
look at this weekend. We were giving weekends these retreats or wedding meetings and
38:59
we talked about that topic and we said that the sexual relationship in the couple
39:05
is the thermometer of the relationship. There are people who say we have sex
39:09
because we are going to increase our partner relationship. Not the intimacy that there
39:15
is and expressed in a sexual way between the two. It tells us whether
39:22
there is a fever or no fever in this marriage, whether it works or
39:25
not. Because it is the freest and deepest action that is involved all that
39:31
we are. The sexual relationship is global. I mean, there' s
39:37
my thought, there' s my feelings, there' s my body,
39:42
of course, but there' s also my social aspect, the expression,
39:45
and there' s also my spirituality. That' s not all out of
39:47
relationships. That' s why it' s important that when we have relationships,
39:52
be it with the person we love and with an expression like the end
39:57
of a good communication, as you know when you put communication, you want
40:02
to review a word, you put a few points of admiration. That would
40:05
be the idea of sexuality in the relationship, which goes through different stages.
40:09
Imagine how much fun, because each one carries his own fantasies and all this
40:15
sometimes bothers us more, it does not help us to have a good intimacy.
40:19
That is why it seems to us to be a very key, very
40:22
key aspect. There are many couples who don' t have relationships or some
40:27
who just look for a relationship. It' s, if this was a
40:30
triangle, love. In fact, if that would be one of the cleaters
40:35
and one of the sides, the other would be the aspect of friendship of
40:39
companionship and the other would also be well understood love, but I don'
40:45
t know. We think it' s basic and I have to say in
40:51
this section, in the welcome to the bedroom, Esther touches it in a
40:54
masterful way. She has the most psychological part, but in a masterful way,
41:00
because of techniques. There are lots of technical books on how to have
41:07
sex in every way, in every style and in every position, but of
41:10
love of love, tenderness, respect, when there is sexual relationship, this
41:15
is another song and in this chapter just what we do as Eduardo who speaks
41:21
of Solomon and the Shulamite, is not very beautiful beautiful relationship. I mean,
41:28
I think we have a very good understanding in this chapter of what love
41:34
is, what tenderness is, what passion is, what sex is, and
41:37
what sexual relationship also entails and carries the relationship. We always quote to cease
41:44
Luis, the one of Narnia' s chronicles, because he has fantastic phrases.
41:49
Besides man writes, but says pleasure is an invention of God, not
41:53
of the Devil, and of Christians we sometimes think this is something. Pleasure
42:00
is an invention of God and not of the Devil. The Devil has spoiled
42:04
it, but Lord God has designed it for our enjoyment And then, my
42:08
great professor, Dr Hendriks or Bard Hendris, who instructed me in all this.
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He always said Victor. We are not to be ashamed of what God
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was not ashamed of in that, I repeat the phrase is in the book.
42:27
We should not be ashamed to speak of what God was not ashamed to
42:31
create. So, let' s talk in a way. If anyone can
42:35
speak well of the sexual relationship, of the intimacy between a man and a
42:38
woman in marriage. They' re an isthion, because we know the one
42:43
who designed it out of obedience. Therefore, there is the chapter to read
42:45
them all and the example of chalomon going to his humintad is precious. In
42:51
addition, the singing of the songs, which is a book of sexual relations,
42:54
is a book in the purest and noblest sense the word, but intentionally
42:59
clear you can look you can spiritualize, yes, but you have spiritualized it
43:02
in order not to recognize your reality. Also Yes, yes, exact,
43:07
exact It is a book of love in its pure essence. But in addition
43:10
to the hormonal question and sexual desire and the differences between men and women,
43:15
the way of organizing life and thoughts, there I understand that Esther works it,
43:19
no, because in the states of mind there are also hormonal alterations,
43:22
let' s say the sluggishness, the apathy and so many, here there
43:28
is punch cloth to learn and catch up. It talks about reproduction and birth
43:36
control, which is also interesting. These themes sometimes in our homes, in
43:42
our comforts we do not touch much or nothing. Yes, yes, yes,
43:45
there is also a chapter, there is a very important section on adopted
43:51
children and the subject of mind control. But we come to a moment that
43:57
can also go unnoticed, but that is the u used or the cause of
44:01
many conflicts in the Conjugal life or in the family together in the office,
44:07
which is the administrative life of the couple. This issue is important to talk
44:13
to us a little bit about. Well, it' s a topic,
44:16
as you well said too, that carries its pressure when we live together and
44:27
when each one has or comes also with the idea of individual or personal.
44:34
When we get married and have a project in common, we have to agree
44:38
on many things and on one of them and basics, the economy, how
44:44
we spend, how we invest, how we keep it and how we give
44:52
tools and suggestions on how to grow more together. In this topic do not
44:55
notice that always laid motive, although we are passing by home, is always
45:00
growing, but not growing but growing more together, for example, in money.
45:07
What is happening and what we have seen for a long time, which
45:09
we are also doing and presenting the seminar of orientation to marriage, which is
45:15
the seminar of preparation for those who are to be married, and we always
45:20
talk to them about the money, then we say, and here also the
45:24
topic of budgets, that the money is to be spent according to an agreed
45:30
budget of the couple. But we always say that every money that comes into
45:32
the house is family money and today it is done the opposite. You have
45:37
a common expense account and you each have your own account, your own income,
45:43
and you don' t account for anyone, anything, anyone, not
45:45
least the couple or their husband or wife for what you' re earning.
45:51
So this is no longer a growth according to our judgment, it is no
45:54
longer a growth. Together there is something all together, but then the other
45:59
thing, each one goes his own way and we believe that this does not
46:02
help us. More points have to be made. Any money that comes into
46:07
the house, the family money must be managed and it must be managed under
46:13
a budget that must be agreed earlier by the couple. That' s where
46:15
the issues go, and the case study also goes in a tense situation on
46:21
this money issue, which in this section, in the July office, in
46:25
a place where one' s trust with the other is evidenced to touch money,
46:32
trust, transparency, there' s nothing to hide. What I receive
46:42
and what you receive, as Victor said, is from the common family fund.
46:49
And it seems that on the economic issue trust brings us problems. And
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it is the place, I repeat, where it is said this justly.
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Yes, yes, yes, Wow, How much I want to recommend to
47:07
our listeners the book that is already released the publication of editorial clie In in
47:14
the voice and pens of Victor Mirons Esparranama, Esther Martínez, Eduardo Brasier,
47:19
a great quartet good, complement each other in everything by growing more together a
47:25
guide for couples today and we are addressing nothing a section, the succinct of
47:30
each of the ten chapters that the book has and we talked about this,
47:36
but we move on to the chapter together on the terrace. There is the
47:42
time of a place for emotions, emotionality and emotion, with its highs and
47:47
lows, in human life, true, also in the couple, in the
47:52
family. And as this also affects us, it is not but also in
48:00
the body, to say, emotions also affect us the idea of knowing how
48:07
to accept ourselves in this area. And also, because there is just one
48:19
issue and that is not very important, that is to be faced, that
48:23
is the intermittent explosive disorder, which is now in these very defined disorders.
48:30
Then she plays it well, because sometimes there are people who are explosive and
48:36
copio porrazo, they are quiet of a brin and it explodes not and of
48:39
course, the other one is surprised what happens here and then the terrace does
48:43
not know whether to go out to look the neighbor or to throw you on
48:51
the terrace, then she plays well is it plays it in a fantastic way.
48:54
Not how the unexpected that happens every day in life can dislodge us and
49:02
how we react, how we control this and be able to speak things in
49:10
a calm and serene way. Also here Eduardo, I think it is in
49:15
this chapter that speaks yes of a marriage night. Yes, Eduardo, in
49:24
all the chapters, Eduardo has an ease, a gift to extract from the
49:30
Bible a couple and place it in the theme that we are touching, that
49:37
we ourselves that hallucinated and enjoyed a lot when together we shared what each one
49:45
contributed from Eduardo, we learned a lot because, especially those that we have,
49:50
because the good not, the good custom, the need to get close
49:53
to the Bible and learn from it. There are many couples in situation,
49:59
so you are in all these rooms that we are commenting on, and Eduardo
50:07
gives them to us in a fantastic way. Really. That' s why
50:13
I noticed if he married anonymously and I named, according to my imagination,
50:16
Victor. No, no, no good. I put the character Peter,
50:24
who seems to pass from that as if he were an individualistic man who does
50:30
not appear good, but appears Jesus healthy to the mother- in- law
50:32
of Peter was married. He also lived in Capernaun Jesus was staying in his
50:37
house, his wife attended him and Peter was a very emotional, very,
50:43
very characteristically, very powerful or very angry guy. So and so. But
50:50
the addition is very charismatic at the same time, but very emotional. If
50:52
you see him in tre showsent in the series, Pedro fights in the sense
50:59
of disco with others, but in depth, that is, he is very
51:01
emotional. Very this is the character and I imagined here in this scene he
51:07
and his wife, So, in good suggestions we will go to is.
51:14
In our case, for example, when we do welcome, we decide welcome
51:20
home, it' s like we' re doing an orientation, a counseling,
51:24
but with a coffee in between, that is, a formal thing but,
51:29
but then we always present if you see if we do as a summary
51:35
of the point, for example, in this case it' s how we
51:37
express our emotions. There' s a summary of the point. Then we
51:40
put ourselves on the scene, that is, we present them to a couple
51:44
in this case, because they happen, I think it is Raúl Isabel and
51:47
they have a situation. Then we describe it, the situation and then,
51:52
focusing on the orientation and saying so, they enter our house, so to
51:58
speak, in our office, our counseling, and then we focus on them,
52:05
we talk to them, that is, it is the first interaction,
52:07
which is what brings them, which is the situation they have. We therefore
52:10
try to ask questions and guide them in their situation and propose some concrete solutions.
52:20
No one leaves cured, because this is a session and it would take
52:23
more, but more or less. Here too we give guidelines in all the
52:28
councils so that some counselors can follow some of these guidelines and find themselves in
52:34
situations similar to those in front of them. And then the MPS will come.
52:40
No marriage, so where are you, then you have to communicate.
52:46
You' re here. We' ll know if they work or not.
52:51
If we apply them. Sure, sure, okay, sure, so that
52:54
' s when they have real courage we get here. If we get there,
52:59
don' t go ahead. Not that I say we usually end counseling,
53:04
because we give them some Bible principles or the word of God that we
53:08
want advice that normally will come from proverbs other places that can apply them if
53:14
they are Christians, for we usually end up asking God to intervene in this
53:19
area, if we don' t always suggest at the end in the MPS
53:24
that if it is appropriate for them to talk to God regarding that subject,
53:30
if we always try to lead them to a situation also profound of making decisions
53:35
and presenting it if they are believers And if not, then also that they
53:39
discover it and see that God is much more interested in them, in their
53:45
health and committed to their health and happiness than themselves, and I think that
53:46
is important. I very much like chapter eight together in the Community, which
53:51
there are several aspects and even seen of some philosophical ideas within what is necessary
53:55
spirituality and the sense of belonging to the Community, also to the community of
54:01
the local church, as a host community also in the solidarity, social humanitarian
54:07
part, which are in the adn of all, also we. But this
54:14
is the issue of the relationship of the family, of the couple with the
54:19
community, in the community of faith is also important our good yes and so
54:27
important that we have put it. I do not think that all couples,
54:32
all of them who say no, also need support and also to feel part
54:38
of others who are in the same process as we in the Community. We
54:52
find this, other couples, other marriages, other families from which I can
54:57
learn, from which I can even ask the Council and the Community. It
55:05
' s also where one of the roads is, not the only one,
55:08
where I get it, too. There we are all exposed together in a
55:16
recognition of God that he created us and it is something that we also do
55:23
together as marriage, going to the Church or to the Community and where we
55:30
can, in some way, express our needs also before God and others.
55:37
We can be of help to other marriages, with our testimony, with our
55:43
example, with our way of life, and we also encourage them in this
55:50
that now I remember well the case of study, but it seems to me
55:52
that it is a couple that is a little isolated and one of the themes
55:58
that we present to them is that they are also part of the Community and
56:01
we also launch the idea of groups of marriages that they find themselves, not
56:07
because people lack friendship and lack good friendships, those groups of marriages that sometimes
56:09
form in comedies just for example. Now it is only an example giving home
56:15
to take this book and read it among several marriages totally and comment because,
56:22
in fact, the questions of the maris Position syste matrimony position exist, because
56:30
it is intended for this can be individual level or can be applied calmly in
56:34
a group profile more or less if the one who coordinates the group has a
56:37
minimum of experience and but rather contact us that we will tell you how truth.
56:42
But that can be applied to you like this, is serir, the
56:45
idea that you don' t just live that you a marriage. You are
56:47
not alone on an island that you are Robins are Crusoe, that you are
56:51
alone there, on an island that is called society, but quite the opposite.
56:53
Work with others and live with others. This book can, if you
56:59
can, forgive me. This book can be used as you say, but
57:01
very pertinently in groups. By chapters he said da has a subject to work
57:07
it in perfect groups, that is, that we encourage our listeners that if
57:12
they are going to achieve it either in their life groups or in their local
57:16
churches, they can propose it. Yes it is eska yes. I wasn
57:21
' t going to mention just in this chapter where Edward speaks of here the
57:27
epistilation of this marriage that had a common project, as marriage, apart from
57:32
the purpose of personal life of each one, a common project and a spirit
57:37
of tremendous service to the Community and we see how God uses them, his
57:43
gifts to bless so many people things, to use his house, his house
57:47
and it is four continents when we see them where vanbren open is always an
57:57
example for all trini In addition, they have the paradigm that we can see
58:01
in many things here the and Priscilla is also the role of women in life,
58:07
not that of men and women are among equals in the dynamics of life.
58:13
So, I' ll bet you' ll see that that' s
58:16
coming to an end. Or not, no no no? Don' t
58:19
you? Don' t you? Not true of us. No this no,
58:21
no, no I had not sent it my that I am saying at
58:24
that time, at that time book It was that time because when we speak
58:29
of here the pristion, that is to say who is one and who is
58:31
another. Almost, of course, they' re both going to one.
58:35
Not that I have a very bad joke Julio, well, I point out
58:39
to me here and I point to Seska here the prisoner, the pool is
58:45
oval, but visually it looks better here. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
58:51
yeah, yeah, hey, no, but it' s important. Words
58:52
are not casual. In the new Testament and more at the time when it
58:58
was written, giving preference, clear in Roman culture, there was another disposition
59:04
also in the Greek Roman culture at the time, but in what is the
59:08
Christian atmosphere and the religious atmosphere, this was almost marginalized. Not the woman
59:15
with the lead. The woman, then, is not casual, it is
59:21
not random that to the Tuntun who writes it Paul. Paul knows what he
59:22
writes again and again Here he had it, that is, it means when
59:28
in the family relationship or Conyugal the roles of each one are affected, of
59:32
course, but that perhaps, the woman has a natural role in some aspects
59:38
that the man does not have in communication or in something and that then one
59:43
does not feel minus, valued or complexed, that is, well the woman
59:46
seems to mean this, it is important to also discover this. Yeah.
59:53
Besides, in the case, yes, I can do a quick digression.
59:57
In the case of the two of them, it can be seen that here
1:00:00
it was more Jewish. When there is an emperor who applauded them, who
1:00:06
expels the Jews, expels them. Aquila was Jewish, but it seems that
1:00:10
Priscilla came from a well- Roman house because of the fact that it was
1:00:16
a large house and it is seen that she was the owner, that see,
1:00:20
then she was a highly prepared and high society woman. Then here we
1:00:23
can begin to elaborate. A lot of this researched and it seems that this
1:00:30
one goes around the topics and the important thing is that each one carried the
1:00:35
strong part of each one that was perfectly complemented and together they were a bomb.
1:00:39
Yes, ma' am, yes, the truth is, yes,
1:00:42
well, we' re already moving towards the end, together, to the
1:00:45
end. This is a self- assertion. Not cohabitation for years, not
1:00:50
clauding, not giving up and adjusting pieces in the puzzle is spoken of the
1:00:57
indispensable tenderness always until the end as a recurring experience, the empty nest,
1:01:02
etcetera, etcetera. And then the example of hugging and Sara that did become
1:01:06
old, not together. And besides, waiting for great, great things of
1:01:09
God. No. I think I' m leaving here. I think we
1:01:15
' re all four of us, because we' ve been married for a
1:01:21
few years now. I don' t know if it' s forty-
1:01:23
thirty- one years, forty- seven, forty- seven. We and
1:01:27
we project here, say, together, it continues to grow together, to
1:01:30
where, to the end. Not as there is a song of the divo
1:01:34
that we love about this musical group that also sings these patterns, that one
1:01:39
will die by the covid the one that was part of the Spanish one,
1:01:45
precisely of them by death. But there' s a song that says to
1:01:50
my end. Says I promise you love, until my end, I mean,
1:01:53
not until mine? Since I die and I don' t, he
1:01:57
can' t promise you anymore, no, but even mine can? It
1:02:00
' s a beautiful song to hear as a marriage. And well, there
1:02:06
it is until the end, until the end, and of course there will
1:02:09
be my faces. Yeah, yeah, and then we get case yeah.
1:02:14
I' m saying that the case we' re presenting is curious, because
1:02:19
it' s a case of an older marriage that we don' t know
1:02:28
if they' re going to meet or not, but they pose, they
1:02:31
' ve grown older, the kids have gone home and now it says good,
1:02:35
and now what we do and how we' re going to stand.
1:02:35
But each has different interests. We have respected each other more or less dearly
1:02:42
so far, but why we do not know different paths and without being great
1:02:45
things, without making great external mistakes. The big mistake is that they don
1:02:51
' t want to make it to the end together. So it' s
1:02:54
a curious approach, with no happy ending or either because we don' t
1:02:59
know how. As the story has ended, but there it is reflected that
1:03:04
it is a situation that occurs a lot in people of a similar age to
1:03:07
ours. Yes, well, yes, we do give guidance. And the
1:03:12
last chapter, and it' s another good thing, the last chapter is
1:03:15
very endearing. Together in our memories, Seska' s parents, Victor'
1:03:21
s parents, Edward' s parents and Esther' s parents, and each
1:03:24
of us knew practically everyone except Edward' s and Esther' s, of
1:03:30
course, as well as yours. And the truth is that you portray him
1:03:37
there and let him know that you would be good to see. I think
1:03:44
it' s a book It' s like our last memories. Not the
1:03:49
book, the book as our last memories. So to speak. And the
1:03:52
last chapter is a way that we say the four, honor our parents in
1:03:58
some way and explain, because the testimony, the story or something that stood
1:04:04
out in his life and that splashed us so much, because we wanted to
1:04:11
put it on a role and make it public so that God also used it,
1:04:18
because there are four stories, that of our parents wou very powerful,
1:04:24
very powerful. All the stories are powerful and I' ve been careful sometimes
1:04:27
when you put them on a paper you realize how intense this life has been.
1:04:32
No, but in our case we are very happy to have put this
1:04:39
chapter at the end and honor our parents is called the beautiful thing that we
1:04:46
all have memories and we must be together in our memories also share them.
1:04:51
But here the subject, if you' ve read it and if we tell
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people, it' s a whole different chapter. There' s no Maria
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here, Exposition Syster. There' s nothing here about all this, there
1:05:04
' s no more, there' s no counseling. Here' s the
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idea of honoring. And besides, when we start, notice that first Seska
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' s parents start, that' s the fidelity to sharing their faith and
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that' s what you know pretty well. They were my spiritual godfathers.
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Or yes, I did live it up close for that, that' s
1:05:27
why. But the interesting thing is then come my parents who, without knowing
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it, they were faithful in opening their home in the disciple, that is,
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among other people, the ones my parents welcomed were Seska' s parents,
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and there we met in our childhood for it, for them, not
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for our parents. There' s a connection there. But then you go
1:05:49
next to Eduardo, who is not, because he is linked to this one.
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But if you look if it' s the one with the ester there,
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you' ll see that we' re going out, too. I
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go out because and well, Esther' s father and my father were very,
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very, very friends and today I was going to spend the holidays right
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in the village, all the quality, where was the father of this pastor
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who was in the end you did not have the tru and there we established
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a childhood friendship. So here are some links that have now been translated into
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the future, after so many years of working together, it has been translated,
1:06:24
therefore, into this book and above all into something very important, that
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we have not only grown in age in relation, but also this book has
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helped us to grow more together as brothers and as friends. And I think
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this is one for us. The best result has been to deepen our friendship
1:06:42
with Eduardo and with this one we do have a lot of how beautiful,
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well, they are magnificent, the truth that yes. Besides, they'
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re on such a rich trajectory. He doesn' t hear what a quartet,
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which is that to enjoy it, yes danger is yes, no no,
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but you have brought us many things. Thank you so much with so
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much fervor and enthusiasm and that spark that conveys essence of life hears. I
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know that, in addition to the fact that this book is going to be
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presented in different forums shortly here in Barcelona, you have a meeting for grandparents.
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We' re talking about grandparents that I want to be there. I
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also don' t know if you can have copies of the book at that
1:07:25
meeting. Well, we would have to talk about it possibly clearly to see
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we don' t want to shadow the speaker who gives the talk at this
1:07:38
meeting, that that Felix Ortiz, who is going to talk about how if
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we know, you know the world in which your grandchildren live, and then
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he' s going to talk to us about this and he' s going
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to bring a book that talks about values and very good and we' re
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going to promote it. Maybe we' ll leave this one there if someone
1:07:56
wants and asks us, we' ll talk it over with the organizers if
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they let us have this book. There is one thing also in the book
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below, in the entry biography there is also an email. We' ve
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put only one is mine. If people want to contact us to give their
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opinion or ask for more books, or I don' t know more than
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to give, apart from the editorial, also give a moment' s contact
1:08:30
with someone so they can write or tell us some opinion that we would like.
1:08:33
Those who have received it. I think even at the beginning of everything
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they' ve received or read, because they can give us your opinion.
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Your testimony. Yeah, well, it' s on the page, well
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after our presentation, what before the dedication is there, I think it'
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s created and if he' s not in the edition we' ve done
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here so yours isn' t. But yes, yes, he will be.
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Yeah, perfect. If I remember, you remember me, you say
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it in a loud voice. There I suddenly see interesting, wait. Victor,
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yes, Victor throws family to family. Point is Victor robbing to steal
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that family stuff. There are two family doses to families. Point It'
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s there is good, of course. Yeah. I also don' t
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know if you want us to give you a cell phone. Yeah, yeah,
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but I know it' s hard to aim, but I' m
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going to repeat it several times. Is it six, six, seven,
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six, zero, five, seven, four, four? Repeat, six,
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six, seven, six, zero, five, seven, four,
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four? Books can' t order in bookstores. I guess they' re
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coming out now,' cause the book came out this week 22nd before yesterday
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Tuesday. Then he' s gonna get to the bookstores. You can ask.
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If they don' t, if they don' t have it yet,
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they' ll ask for it. Cliel will put it, because in
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all its distributors, both here and in Hispanoamerica or in the United States,
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in the distributors that have at Hispanic level, and also those that want to
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ask us, because they can write to Víctor Arroba from family to family,
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it is or call us to mobile the six, seven, six, five,
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seven, four, four. Great. Well, nothing, and that
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' s all right Well, thank you very much for giving us all this
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time we' ve done a tour of the house. We' ve come
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from start to finish, but well, we' ve been tiptoeing. Uh,
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because we picked a little thing that went here, there' s a
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lot of loyalty. You don' t have to spoil. Of course,
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of course. Of course, you have to read it. This is not
1:11:23
a book that is enjoyed, uh honestly, and it' s more,
1:11:27
I think it provides us with a whole guide, a road map to work
1:11:31
it out, at group level, at the personal level. It' s
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a very rich book. This book doesn' t have to go unnoticed.
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Ladies and gentlemen, growing more together a guide for today' s couples in
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the feathers of Victor Seska Exter and Edward as well. Well, thank you
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so much for being with us You hear, thank you as always, thanks
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to us. A very strong hug, my friends, for our support.
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the first time and it' s hand in hand. It' s what
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much I love you and enough you and also two name to or choose the
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the train of life. Ladies and gentlemen, here we are in the colors
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of life, sometimes ochre colors also that speak of conflicts, but that have
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the resolution of conflicts, that have the answer. That' s how the
1:17:27
doctor prescribes a medical indication and we don' t throw it away then.
1:17:32
Of course, the problem will perhaps continue to cronify or worsen, but here
1:17:39
it resolves disagreements and family conflicts. This is something we also need to learn.
1:17:45
It seems that we know everything, even those who have training in different
1:17:50
fields we do not believe ourselves, perhaps unconsciously. I do not say that
1:17:57
some consciously self- sufficient and no. We do not have to relearn and
1:18:04
learn humility and also assertiveness and communication. One of the points of reference by
1:18:11
which the temporal periods in the way of life of today' s society are
1:18:15
measured are the different holiday periods, especially distributed throughout the year, winter holidays
1:18:21
or spring holidays and also summer holidays. They are usually the three moments in
1:18:28
which families intensify their coexistence, including contact with those cousins with whom we do
1:18:34
not usually contact in the rest of the year, or those guys who live
1:18:39
far away and with whom we do not relate more than at Christmas or Summer,
1:18:43
for example. In any case there is an equation that is written in
1:18:47
our family life over and over again on repeated occasions, holidays, more extraordinary
1:18:53
expenses, more family reunions, conflicts equal to conflicts in the worst cases of
1:19:00
disagreements, disagreements and other uncomfortable situations, family conflicts, disagreements, disagreements and
1:19:09
diverse situations. Perhaps because, in many cases, the most intense contact they
1:19:13
produce on vacation, coupled with the widespread stress that this extraordinary consumption of family
1:19:19
time produces in these periods act as triggers. It seems that since we do
1:19:28
not see ourselves so intensely there, it seems that there comes a moment that
1:19:31
comes out all the good and not so good and bring out conflicts and disagreements
1:19:36
that have been in lethargy throughout the year. We wondered if it might be
1:19:42
interesting to resolve some family misalignments so we wouldn' t find them the following
1:19:46
year. That is why today the issue is resolving disagreements and family conflicts with
1:19:53
the clinical century Daniel gaso here in the colors of life. Good morning,
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dear, dear friend, dear, Daniel, Good morning, Julio and all
1:20:04
those who listen to us as always a pleasure to get on the train.
1:20:09
We talked about this issue by resolving disagreements and family conflicts. Today, perhaps
1:20:15
first of all, we should ask ourselves, Daniel, what exactly is a
1:20:19
disagreement, although we seem to know well, I don' t know if
1:20:23
we know so well. Yeah, yeah, that' s right. It
1:20:24
' s true July. Sometimes we think we' re clear, but it
1:20:28
' s not really that clear definitely that the image we would like would be
1:20:34
a distant or peaceful horizon, without experience, without conflict, in the middle
1:20:40
of an idyllic landscape, etcetera. It is a very reassuring and very desirable
1:20:45
vision. But what makes us grow and develop, become what we are and
1:20:49
perhaps make ourselves even worthy of that holiday print are the problems and overcoming those
1:20:57
problems, especially when those problems are in the family environment, there is no
1:21:01
place for greater growth. There are yung that most perfect for growth and development
1:21:10
both personal and group as well as family environment. It is also true that
1:21:15
not all problems. Not all conflicts and disagreements have brought with them great achievements
1:21:19
and growths, or everything has to be said, so it is then what
1:21:25
transforms a problem or conflict into something harmful, into a good tool, perhaps
1:21:30
that favors personal growth, because in the end that would be the exact desirable,
1:21:34
because look. I believe that the difference is in the way we face
1:21:41
it or overcome it, that is, that the key would be in how
1:21:45
to define well what we understand by disagreements helps us not to fall into some
1:21:50
traps, for example, considering that conflict itself is a bad thing and that
1:21:55
is why the best option is to avoid it. At all costs. There
1:21:59
are people who live in constant tension all day long and all day long to
1:22:05
avoid conflicts. And that' s our solution. Nor does that mean that
1:22:12
we do not face the problem or the problems. So, let' s
1:22:15
not fix them. And so, what we do is to continue to experience
1:22:18
the consequences of that problem because we do not face it, because our goal,
1:22:25
we think, is to avoid it. It also helps us to avoid
1:22:30
thinking about having a clear definition, to avoid thinking that the person has something
1:22:33
against us, because we are the conflict and not the specific situation or attitude.
1:22:40
What it does, because it makes us live every aspect, to negotiate
1:22:44
or every agreement, to agree as an attack on our person, as something
1:22:48
personal and not as an option of change to improve the situation, which is
1:22:54
really what a conflict must be. Therefore, it would be, because it
1:22:57
would be the situation of discordance or disagreement that exists between the tendencies, thoughts,
1:23:05
ideas, etc, interest or interests of someone and the impositions or external
1:23:11
impositions. That' s what would be in conflict. Sure, well,
1:23:15
well, it' s a very clear definition. Conflicts are bad or family
1:23:18
problems are unwanted, surely not, but bad. Or they contain something,
1:23:27
something positive in the background, because, as the famous song says, depends
1:23:33
on whether we are willing to work and manage them or not. It'
1:23:39
s a conflict. It' s bad if we' re willing to just
1:23:42
run away from him. That' s sure to be bad. That'
1:23:45
s not good, it' s not positive, because they don' t
1:23:47
generate growth or anything. It only generates flight and escape the crisis, conflict
1:23:53
or problem has the name that it presents itself as a place of growth and
1:23:58
personal and group advancement, part of a perfect, fantastic opportunity to learn or,
1:24:03
to face and manage future problems also in other groups, making us more
1:24:11
autonomous and assertive. That is what is really a conflict and therefore that is
1:24:15
not a bad thing, it is a good thing. In that sense,
1:24:18
they become bad when, therefore, when conflicts are avoided or badly solved,
1:24:25
in reality, our culture educates us. It' s funny, Julio,
1:24:30
because he' s a partner He was thinking that our culture educates us to
1:24:35
manage happiness or well- being, but not to manage adversity and disappointment.
1:24:40
It' s funny, but we are a culture that is used and educated
1:24:45
to manage happiness and comfort, so we grow by developing very little tolerance to
1:24:53
disappointment and conflict in relationships, especially, in other words, we generally have
1:24:57
or have very thin skin. We don' t realize that, but since
1:25:05
we' re not used to not having let' s say it like that,
1:25:12
we obsess focusing on what we don' t have and disfocusing on how
1:25:15
much we do have. And we' re not talking about material things.
1:25:18
I also refer to the emotional and relational fields. For example, I don
1:25:23
' t have enough admiration, I don' t have enough success. I
1:25:26
don' t think I' m feeling well. Don' t you think
1:25:29
enough about me et cetera, et cetera? Many times if we focus on
1:25:32
what I don' t have, many times the typical family conflicts remain in
1:25:38
time because we strive to maintain a sort of internal warehouse where we keep all
1:25:44
the things that others have done wrong with us. It is that masters to
1:25:47
do we bring it up to date in maintenance is perfectly up to date.
1:25:51
However, we forget to keep abreast of all the things that others do for
1:25:56
us and do not even think about the record of all the things that we
1:26:01
ourselves do wrong with others. That would probably help us put things a little
1:26:09
bit more into perspective and what the situation is. Perhaps we couldn' t
1:26:14
possibly have the conflict so serious or so difficult or so complicated. Or we
1:26:17
wouldn' t see that what others have done to us or we are so
1:26:23
serious, because we would see that we have done wrong to others in many
1:26:28
things, and at the same time, those others who have done us wrong
1:26:30
are many of the caphons have also done good things to us. Okay,
1:26:33
yeah, yeah, yeah, geez, how many, how many questions we
1:26:41
unravel and how many aspects of a question of disagreements and conflicts to find guidelines.
1:26:46
First do an analysis, as Daniel Gasso, the psychologist, is doing
1:26:51
about the nature of conflicts, and then we' ll look at some guidelines.
1:26:58
Let us also speak first of the conflicts, that is, Daniel,
1:27:01
those situations that involve me and another all are, in essence, very similar
1:27:05
really so that all are solved more or less the same way or very similar,
1:27:11
because the truth is that, although they are very similar in many things,
1:27:16
all the conflict between them people have very, very, very similar components
1:27:21
in many aspects. But there is no standard conflict or list of conflicts.
1:27:29
But it is true that there are alarms and behaviors that can be potentially conflicting.
1:27:34
For example, inflexibility. That produces safe conflict, insubmission by system or
1:27:43
not as the first answer for everything. Okay, I don' t want
1:27:46
to, I don' t want to, I don' t like anything.
1:27:50
It is worth the absolute not without reason, that is, no,
1:27:56
but without reason, because isolation that is another of the things that favors conflict,
1:28:02
the overprotection attention there, especially the parents, the overprotection or the paternalistic
1:28:08
attitudes and control here in the first area, in the first aspect, the
1:28:15
overprotection of the children. We have already said this many times when I overprotect
1:28:20
my son, although I do so with all my heart to prevent him from
1:28:25
actually suffering the message he receives is te. I consider it so inept that
1:28:29
I have to do it for you, because I know you will do it
1:28:31
wrong. Let us think a lot about that, above all and of course,
1:28:36
that creates conflict situations. Then, paternalistic attitudes, which can be with
1:28:41
groups with employees, among senior employees, among family and acquaintance groups and friends,
1:28:49
etcetera. Taking a paternalistic attitude is neither the solution nor the attitude of
1:28:55
that control, especially in the area of the family and specifically in marriage,
1:29:00
nor do things favor. Then they have more selflessness or indifference. That'
1:29:06
s the opposite side. If control is on one side, disinterest or indifference
1:29:11
is on the other. Both sides are drawbacks and generate conflicts and lack of
1:29:19
response. Of course, it is, that is, to know the difference
1:29:23
between interpersonal thermoflict and what internal conflict is very important. It is very common
1:29:29
to find problems of self- esteem, depression and social adaptation, academic problems,
1:29:34
etc, for example, in adolescent children, in young people who occur
1:29:40
after a avoided or poorly solved family conflict. That also happens sometimes we think
1:29:45
or we focus with good is that our son, our daughter, has a
1:29:51
bad result. It is very close to what could be defined as school failure.
1:29:56
He' s suspended a lot of GOP subjects, etcetera. And we
1:29:58
often don' t want to focus on solving that. But perhaps the trigger
1:30:03
of that has nothing to do with anything in the school or academic arena.
1:30:09
Sometimes it is a conflict at the family level, at the rational level,
1:30:13
that is poorly closed, that has not been closed well and that brings such
1:30:15
repercussions. All of this implies that when a conflict is not properly treated,
1:30:23
this is what makes it internalized. I would even say that even in many
1:30:27
cases, hiding inside the person and going out when there is like a crash,
1:30:32
when there is another situation that triggers it. Well, we' re
1:30:38
moving on. But what happens to adults exactly the same thing happens, because
1:30:43
it really does, especially in family conflicts. In the adult field. It
1:30:48
is important to keep in mind that if an emotional reaction to a conflict that
1:30:55
seems to always seem out of place or exaggerated or disorbited. In many cases,
1:31:00
what it is doing is to show that there is a misunderstanding of the
1:31:04
problem or the accumulated discomfort of previous conflicts that have not been resolved. I
1:31:11
mean, often the problem is that we lack information. It' s really
1:31:15
not a lack of information about something. In this case we must be patient
1:31:18
and not be carried away by the reaction of the other, as it has
1:31:25
little to do with the conflict situation itself. How emotionally emotionally? More economical
1:31:31
is to deal with and talk many times about the emotional economy, the most
1:31:36
economic, emotionally, is to try to help the other to truly express what
1:31:42
is hurting him of the situation and what he thinks we are asking, demanding
1:31:46
or demanding, rather than entering directly into the Tennis Party. But for you,
1:31:54
but note, for me, the best thing we can do is stop
1:31:57
for a moment, I think, and lose the person. Please explain to
1:32:00
me what something can really do so that you can explain to me what you
1:32:04
are understanding, what I ask of you, what I demand of you,
1:32:06
what I demand of you, etcetera, etcetera. And let' s talk
1:32:11
about that explains what' s going on in here. Well, how could
1:32:15
we also prevent such conflicts and within the family. Daniel, because the first
1:32:23
thing we should forget in July is that you have the objective of avoiding the
1:32:27
presence of conflicts in the family. As we said at the beginning, it
1:32:30
is impossible and I would dare say that it would almost be insane. A
1:32:35
family with no conflict is a scenario where there are no disagreements or disagreements,
1:32:41
and that can only mean two things. Basically or there is no communication,
1:32:46
on the one hand, and we live just by sharing space, either there
1:32:53
is someone who imposes his vision and everyone else is banned and devastated and neither
1:32:58
of the assumptions will be an emotional or relationally healthy scenario. I mean,
1:33:03
it can be these two things. Either, on the one hand, communication
1:33:09
is null and void we simply share space, or there is someone who dictates
1:33:14
what is done here, what I say and nothing else, without any other
1:33:16
kind of nuance And obviously, there are no conflicts, because there is no
1:33:20
one who dares to raise his voice and decide disagree. Then we need to
1:33:27
strive to be consistent with our way of acting and speaking. We cannot wait
1:33:31
for the other to be consistent to be us. Then, it is best
1:33:35
to have the initiative of being coherent in things. We must move forward with
1:33:41
that initiative. Being patient helps tolerance and respect for others. Let' s
1:33:46
remember the best way to demand respect is by giving the first thing. It
1:33:50
is so clear and this is plagued in the same scriptures. Worthy of making
1:33:57
you be plagued with that one and behaving to others. Like you would want
1:34:01
the others to do with you. That' s not a religious principle,
1:34:08
it' s a principle of life. It really is a principle of life
1:34:11
to listen with a attention seeking not to misunderstand. We do that many times,
1:34:15
not to interpret, but to interpret. But whenever we interpret without asking
1:34:19
for sufficient clarification or having enough information, we end up misinterpreting and, as
1:34:27
we always say, trying to put them in each other' s shoes no
1:34:31
matter how loaded we seem to be. But even if you think you'
1:34:36
re right, try to put yourself in each other' s shoes, because
1:34:40
you may find that he also has a lot of other important things, to
1:34:45
maintain clear values and rules that do not lead to confusion and are respected by
1:34:53
all of us, the first at home, we maintain values, in principles
1:34:57
and rules that we must all respect and as they are clear, because there
1:35:00
is no doubt to learn to take the initiative in problems, for example,
1:35:06
trying to solve them and provide solutions, that is, as the famous phrase
1:35:11
says, either you are part of the solution or you are part of the
1:35:13
problem. Let us remember that disagreements and conflicts or we are reactive, that
1:35:16
we have talked about on other occasions. Or we' re very reactive.
1:35:20
Or we' re proactive, I mean, we' re looking. Let
1:35:24
us not be guided by what others have done to us or have told us,
1:35:28
but we take the initiative to act in search of solutions. And that
1:35:34
simply depends on a decision that we make or decide to react, or say
1:35:43
or act then show our affection for others with our attitude. That' s
1:35:46
important. There' s no distance a good hug can' t cover.
1:35:53
That' s the truth, and more in the family environment, to LaBar
1:35:58
when some family member looked, so that' s not just for fathers or
1:36:01
mothers. We have to learn to show admiration to people and say it many
1:36:11
times and we always tend to say what they' re doing wrong, and
1:36:15
we do there' s a fasis in what they' re doing wrong,
1:36:19
but because at least in the same proportion we don' t tell them what
1:36:24
they' re doing right and we congratulate ourselves or congratulate them on that then
1:36:28
get used to and ask forgiveness for mistakes. Another important thing in maintaining family
1:36:30
conversations and time of cohabitation in a systematic way, that is to say to
1:36:36
keep it always present. I do not mean that we have to do that
1:36:41
every day from eight to eight or forty- five, but that we systematically
1:36:45
keep in mind that in our minds we need to have or not to have
1:36:50
closed the day without having had a small time of communication, creating situations of
1:36:57
family fun. It is also important to take care of the environment and at
1:37:01
the individual level and to avoid charging us and giving the store of bad records
1:37:06
that then explode when it is teleno to overflow and there is an uncontrolled explosion
1:37:12
or emotional ventilation, that is to say, to keep the accounts short,
1:37:16
not to wait to give our warehouse and when it is ready to be crowded,
1:37:19
at the point of exposure, then to open the door and to leave
1:37:25
all the horse riding above, well, and how many things to prevent conflicts
1:37:30
in the family area, how many practical guidelines our friend Daniel is giving us
1:37:36
this morning and how we could avoid reaching also an emotional explosion situation, also
1:37:43
that could happen, because yes, it is true that this happens many times,
1:37:49
precisely because we said before, because we kept in the warehouse for a
1:37:49
long time. We try to avoid conflicts, because we misunderstand what a conflict
1:37:55
is, we misinterpret the situation, we try to avoid it until we believe
1:38:00
that we are already bursting, because we can no longer. First of all,
1:38:02
we should make a small effort to reflect on a question that may seem
1:38:09
obvious to many of Julio' s listeners to ask them what is really going
1:38:14
on. Many times, the problem is not that we are upset because someone
1:38:19
forgot, maybe bring the drink to the family scene or anything else like that
1:38:26
or someone forgets to bring the desserts or whatever they forgot, put them in
1:38:30
the fridge or whatever, but because it is the person who almost always forgets
1:38:34
and already did it to us last year. That' s what generates the
1:38:40
problem, the discomfort in us. We' re not really if that happens.
1:38:45
We are not really reacting to something that happened to what happened now,
1:38:49
but something that happened a year ago and that we kept in our warehouse of
1:38:56
unresolved conflicts and grievances. But the real problem with what' s happened is
1:39:00
that we don' t have enough booze for everyone. Or that desserts aren
1:39:06
' t in the fridge and that' s, in fact, what we
1:39:10
should focus on now the present, without adding to last year' s outstanding
1:39:18
resentment, because that should have been closed a year ago. One of the
1:39:23
things that can help us first to think about not maintaining that activity, because
1:39:30
that attitude stigmatizes people, frames us, typifies us and that is not interesting.
1:39:36
But one of the things that can help us is also to work individually
1:39:41
to develop the habit of acting preventively. What I mean, because when I
1:39:46
feel a little charged and my call of grievances, it starts to get my
1:39:51
attention, that is, I start getting more irritable normal for anything, etcetera,
1:39:57
etcetera. It may be a list of the things my family has done
1:40:00
for me in recent times. It is up to each the period to be
1:40:05
taken into account. Of course, that' s up to everyone, but
1:40:09
we all see that I know the last year, for example, and also
1:40:13
an honest list. Of course, being honest about all the things I'
1:40:16
ve done wrong with those people. Once with both lists present us and remember
1:40:24
that the presence to see the two lists, that is, of the things
1:40:29
that they have done well for me and the things that I have done wrong
1:40:32
for them, proves that we are imperfect people, all that we love each
1:40:40
other imperfectly, and that helps us to be a little more tolerant of the
1:40:46
cases, the things that we have done wrong with us. And most likely,
1:40:50
in view of those two lists, if we are already crafting to abuse
1:40:56
the Christ, it would be to draw up a third list of things that
1:41:00
others have done wrong with us, it will end up looking smaller or less
1:41:04
serious. I mean, let' s end up with the list of grievances.
1:41:10
Let' s do it in the end. First let us keep two
1:41:13
other things in mind, and surely when we look at the third list we
1:41:17
will say clearly, because the truth is that it is not so important.
1:41:20
This reflection is also interesting, but prejudiced attitudes and judgments of intent are other
1:41:29
factors that also trigger family problems. No Daniel, for in fact, so
1:41:34
it is many times we judge the intentions of others even without having enough information
1:41:42
about what has happened in their inner world. If we judge the other person
1:41:46
' s intentions and rely on it in that judgment that we have made,
1:41:50
without further information to plan the relationship with the other, we run the risk
1:41:57
of answering and reacting to the intentions that we believe the other has and we
1:42:02
lose sight of our true objectives and we are certain to be wrong in addition,
1:42:09
because none of us has the ability to be within the other person'
1:42:12
s mind and heart. In this way we can bequeath to being aggressive or
1:42:15
passive, that is, if they have done something that hurt us and we
1:42:19
think they have done it with good intentions, we can be tempted to let
1:42:24
it go, that is, excused, say well, well, we are
1:42:27
not going to have to talk about it and not say anything. But instead,
1:42:30
we feel hurt and upset. And that' s where it goes to
1:42:34
the grievance store. Why, because we don' t treat him. But
1:42:38
if we judge, for example, that they have done it with bad intent,
1:42:42
we will attack their evil in quotation marks and not the facts, and
1:42:48
then how we will be rather aggressive hostile. Wanting the other to recognize how
1:42:54
wrong he is and submit completely to my wishes can be an emotional goal to
1:43:00
compensate for the humiliation we have felt. But that' s really the purpose.
1:43:06
That' s what we have to do. It makes sense that there
1:43:10
' s a winner and a loser. This solves the conflict, because the
1:43:14
loser is not going to stay or he' s going to confirm himself to
1:43:17
be the loser, he' s going to save his loss and come out
1:43:23
another time. That is, the solution is not that there is an entrepreneurial
1:43:25
winner. I won because I' m right. You' ve lost because
1:43:28
you don' t have it good, because maybe on that occasion you do,
1:43:32
but it' s the keeper and that doesn' t solve anything.
1:43:34
One thing we can do to keep our family relationships healthy, to consider how
1:43:41
much we know our relatives and to gather information about them, their illusions,
1:43:46
their desertions, their tastes, their dreams, their struggles, etcetera, etcetera.
1:43:50
A patient Julio, if I may be, I' ll comment on
1:43:54
a patient I asked permission to. Of course, he previously prepared a questionnaire
1:43:58
that he did in these days of family meetings and meetings to do to others.
1:44:02
And I challenged him to focus on others because this felt hurt, something
1:44:09
wronged, and I threw away the challenge of focusing on others and focusing on
1:44:14
knowing them rather than focusing on what they have done wrong there. To you
1:44:19
and if you allow me to share some of those questions, not all because
1:44:24
I was smart that he did, it was very long and really very interesting,
1:44:29
but some because in the end those encounters became something really fun and it
1:44:35
was kind of a family game and it was a very rewarding experience for everyone.
1:44:42
For example, one of the questions was what is your favorite food and
1:44:46
what is the least you like that you would never eat in life. Second
1:44:51
thing, you didn' t do what you would have liked to do.
1:44:56
Another thing, what would have been the mistake you' ve made, that
1:45:00
made you redder is worth it. I' m going to be perhaps paused
1:45:06
to take note of those who want a little bit to apply those questions or
1:45:12
variations of those. Another thing, what you would like to devote more time
1:45:16
to, what a hobby you would have liked to have and that, in
1:45:20
the end you haven' t had. How do you look from here ten
1:45:25
years, how would you like to see what has been the best or the
1:45:31
best times of your life, what values more of a few people, what
1:45:40
is your best virtue and your worst flaw, what superpower would you like to
1:45:45
have? I find this especially amusing. What super power would you like if
1:45:49
you were an animal, what animal would you be, What is the mood
1:45:55
you like least, the one you like the most, type of person would
1:46:00
be afraid of. What' s the biggest crazy thing you' ve ever
1:46:05
done. What would be a good title for your biography, your autobiography.
1:46:13
What most people should think about you and it' s not true. I
1:46:18
mean things you think most people think about you, but you know it'
1:46:23
s not entirely true. How you would describe yourself with the phrase. I
1:46:27
' m trying to describe you with a sentence. That' s a good
1:46:29
game. So I encourage those who listen to us to try to ask those
1:46:33
questions as if it were a family game and they will see that it is
1:46:39
really fun and uplifting. That' s good, how interesting I was asking
1:46:45
myself those same questions every time I was reading them and how you would describe
1:46:51
yourself with a good phrase, as a realistic dreamer. And that' s
1:46:57
a good definition, fantastic, description and besides, I totally believe it.
1:47:01
Yes, yes, yes and well And to measure here you are talking,
1:47:05
because it is a very interesting self test, very interesting to put the mirror
1:47:12
in front of us and perhaps to resituate ourselves in some things truth, these
1:47:19
yes, that is how it helps us now to situate ourselves and also to
1:47:25
know that others also feel, need, think, experience and that they are,
1:47:32
like us, imperfect and that we have learned to live with that imperfection,
1:47:38
even to celebrate it because so one. It doesn' t feel like
1:47:40
a weirdo, just like that. If we are sincere and honest, we
1:47:44
realize that discovering that we are surrounded by imperfect people like ourselves, who face
1:47:48
the same conflicts and problems. That will help us to fulfill a principle that
1:47:55
is also the gospels. To laugh with those who laugh and cry with those
1:47:59
who pray to him. That is how he is friend, ladies and gentlemen,
1:48:02
because we are already pleased to bid farewell to our good friend Daniel,
1:48:08
a very affectionate hug, equally a very strong hug of Julio until always,
1:48:35
friend, you even always travel on the train of life. I miss you
1:49:12
already, and you' re still home. I don' t know if
1:49:19
what happens to me happens to you. You tell me everything, even if
1:49:28
you' re quiet because a look says more than a word, I already
1:49:38
miss you, even if you' re so close, there' s still
1:49:46
the bed hot and scrambled. We said everything, we didn' t say
1:49:56
anything, we never argued, but we got angry. Take the sorrows you
1:50:04
' ve kept from the past, take the joy you lived here by my
1:50:15
side, take away the pad of resignation that doesn' t make po,
1:50:25
take away the many, the excuses and the pretext And before crossing the door,
1:50:33
if you want it to go well, save me a space to leave
1:50:53
me too and I already miss you. It wasn' t a threat.
1:50:57
You didn' t miss dreams and we were far away. We told each
1:51:06
other everything and we said nothing, we never argued, but they don'
1:51:14
t look for rage. Take me the pains you kept from passing takes you
1:51:24
the alevia that you lived here to look at Take the letter of Renon and
1:51:33
that you have given us up, Take away the many fibre excuses of these
1:51:44
and before crossing the door, if you want it to go well, keep
1:51:54
me slowly to go also to leave it also every day, same from home,
1:52:06
from work to home, to the hospital, to the cemetery. More
1:52:13
than seventy percent of accidents at work are road accidents, to the hirio,
1:52:15
on returning from work and routine does not protect you from them. Your most
1:52:19
urgent job is to stay alive On your part, General Traffic Directorate, Ministry
1:52:24
of the Interior, Government of Spain, the project to study in the United
1:52:28
States and teach them how to play football are Emilio and Raúl and one of
1:52:30
them has schizophrenia, but their dreams, like those of anyone, have no
1:52:34
limits. Let' s not put them on us. Integration is always the
1:52:39
best response for the social inclusion of people with mental health problems. Ministry of
1:52:44
Health, Social Services for Equality, Government of Spain. Juan invests 180 euros
1:52:47
a month in suffering. Alberto invests 200 euros in extortion. Carlos invests 150
1:52:54
euros in kidnappings. Every time you pay you' re investing in extortion mafias
1:53:00
quitting, helping them out, don' t invest in suffering against trafficking in
1:53:03
women. A Government of Spain is aware of this. If you want to
1:53:08
visit our website, the www. The train of life, of life is
1:53:14
much or good, because we go there we go there I already have my
1:53:26
half, is waiting for my warning and Alfonso Guevara is yes. That'
1:53:33
s where we got him in the bud. Well, I' ll tell
1:53:36
you who Alfonso Guevara is. Alfonso Guevara has been in the pastoral ministry for
1:53:42
forty- one years. There is nah has served in the pastorate in California
1:53:45
and Miami and has now begun posturing a herd in Texas, Dallas. He
1:53:50
' s a man who opens roads and well, he' s a very
1:53:56
experienced pastor. Also, a man with a shepherd’ s heart and has
1:53:59
written very well about this. He has worked in the Christian publishing world and
1:54:03
is the author of books that pastors can read with great interest. A great
1:54:10
book of truth that does win the prize because the book really deserves it for
1:54:15
its contributions to the pastoral ministry and the life of the pastor. How not
1:54:23
for everyone you know. I know that now there are many more pastors or
1:54:27
women of pastors or elders, of Christian communities who are listening to us already
1:54:31
take note, do not take note. And the truth is that there is
1:54:40
all that, because I remind you, this is what Alfonso Guevara has written
1:54:45
in recent years. Alfonso has given conferences workshops and many, training thousands of
1:54:53
pastors and leaders in institutes, theological seminars and so on, in summits and
1:54:59
pastoral conferences. Today he is presenting us with a good book, a book
1:55:02
also very striking and with the style that characterizes him literary, that he writes
1:55:08
well. And you know when someone writes well, if they don' t
1:55:12
write very well, I omit, I don' t say anything, but
1:55:16
when they write well it' s worth it, because the narrative involves you.
1:55:19
Not then. Today we are presented with his recent book Jesus in a
1:55:24
whole proposal to give Lord Jesus the place that our lives deserve, and he
1:55:29
wants to highlight the centrality and supremacy of Christ in us. I believe it
1:55:33
is the Lordship of Christ, in short, that he wants to propose to
1:55:39
us. Alfonso, hey, thanks for the early morning I made you do.
1:55:43
Alfonso, well, I' m on a run now of getting up
1:55:49
early because on these trips I' m constantly making flights from here to South
1:55:57
America, for example, you have to get up now without days, as
1:56:01
I say, but well, a pleasure to be with you Julio and you
1:56:06
listen clearly yes, with great pleasure. Alfonso hears, well, well,
1:56:12
before we talk about this work, of this new publication so interesting, jesus
1:56:16
in everything let' s recapitulate a little. I have spoken of your pastoral
1:56:23
performance, your accumulated pastoral experience. You come from a pastoral family. True,
1:56:29
yes, I had the privilege, the enormous privilege of being born in
1:56:34
a Christian home. My parents, I am a native of Cuba, and
1:56:41
my parents in Cuba in the 1950s were students of a seminary there. Then
1:56:46
they were teachers, they founded a work near Havana and, as everyone should
1:56:56
know, the communist dictatorship in Cuba became fierce and good in the mid-
1:57:01
sixties, they ordered all the churches in Cuba to be closed, of all
1:57:06
the confessions and they banned meetings in houses also in public. So, in
1:57:15
the middle of all that, well, many pastors were imprisoned in what I
1:57:19
call the Cuban bullag. Other shepherds were shot for the sake of Christ.
1:57:26
That is nothing strange in Spain, since in Spain too in the 1950s there
1:57:33
was a lot of persecution and when we arrived in Spain there was still persecution
1:57:42
for the church. So I lived it in a certain way. No,
1:57:45
then that' s my background. My parents decided and felt like staying in
1:57:50
Spain or going to Spain as missionaries. There they founded work that is to
1:57:55
this day and then I came here to the United States. If your parents
1:58:02
were missionaries in Madrid, it is true that they founded a work together with
1:58:11
another American missionary and to this day, in fact, two or three pastors
1:58:18
have already passed, but the pastor who is there now we are friends of
1:58:23
all life. Well, friend, yours, Gonzalo Soriano, man, we
1:58:28
know very well that you do. Yeah, well, that' s too
1:58:33
much. Mode my background, up to there, I even went to Spain,
1:58:41
how interesting he hears, when you see the trajectory of men and women,
1:58:47
so we celebrate them recently. We were talking about here was with this
1:58:53
pastor, who is the president of the Bible Seminary Mody in Chicago, also
1:59:00
that the whole family were in Spain, also sea Llove also his parents came
1:59:08
from the United States. They settled in Spain, in the Spain of the
1:59:13
seventy- sixty- seventies and still lived part of the backs of the Franco
1:59:20
dictatorship. In fact, they have now been on television here in Catalonia,
1:59:24
a documentary of the Church persecuted in Spain during Francoism, which suffered well.
1:59:30
In fact, there were shootings at the beginning of Tilano coco who was a
1:59:35
friend of this one, of this philosopher so well known that he was,
1:59:45
came out in the film for the duration of the war. The truth is
1:59:47
that he was also shot because he was accused of false truths. No,
1:59:55
and then that is to say that here the Church also has its history,
1:59:59
its small history of sufferings because of the Gospel, then he good when we
2:00:05
arrive the churches, when I tell this to people who ask me also of
2:00:12
my background in my travel through Latin America and all places, but when we
2:00:15
arrived in Spain, to the churches, they did not have posters outside,
2:00:20
they were not allowed and the Government, that the Government of the Catholic Church,
2:00:27
was the same thing, they controlled who came in and who went out.
2:00:31
That was it. We lived that and yes, that was Spain for
2:00:38
us from the late sixties to the mid- 1970s. This is how I
2:00:45
also referred to Miguel de unamuno, who was a person who approached Protestantism and
2:00:49
had, in fact, his intimate diary book of an amuno, one of
2:00:55
the last that I read with great attention. He spoke and had his advice.
2:01:00
He was and friend, friend to Tirano, or shot by the Taru
2:01:04
and so many others. Well, better times have come for us, thank
2:01:09
God, and we also celebrate it, but your long experience and that of
2:01:15
your parents is very much reflected in these books shepherds of flesh and bone,
2:01:19
which had an EP Awards award and also the life of the pastor Give us
2:01:24
a note of these books for us, for those who are that emerging generation.
2:01:31
Well, there' s a lot of people in the question. First,
2:01:35
how long it took me to write the first book. I didn'
2:01:42
t say good in a symbolic way. I mean, it took me forty
2:01:47
- one years to write wolf. Now there are forty- one helpers of
2:01:51
ministry and combined shepherding. Those books are the fruit of all pastoral and ministerial
2:02:00
experiences and I must clarify that those books, what is there, are not
2:02:06
batallites as we say. They are not very practical leadership teachings aimed at pastoral
2:02:15
care and already, as I say, in many conferences with pastors, after
2:02:21
a while in the ministry you get the thick skin with which you understand this,
2:02:27
you will know what I mean. No. Then I gave lectures workshops
2:02:36
everywhere and people came after and said good, j that' s what you
2:02:40
said is in your book. Right, I used to say in which book.
2:02:45
No, no, what you said is in your book. Then it
2:02:47
became clear to me that I had to write about what I was talking about,
2:02:55
what I was living as a pastor. I had very good friends.
2:03:00
One of them also some that you know well Catalan, the lyceum encouraged me
2:03:06
all the time to write. Then write and his wife also great friends.
2:03:15
So from there came all this, to translate into experience, to embody all
2:03:21
these very practical principles of leadership that I am a very pragmatic person in that
2:03:28
sense and has apparently helped reality. It has already helped thousands and thousands of
2:03:40
pastors and leaders throughout Spanish- speaking countries, but not just Hispanic. The
2:03:46
book has been translated into two languages. It has been translated into Portuguese and
2:03:53
has also been translated into Korean. This caught my attention, because whoever wanted
2:03:58
to translate the book into Korean told me this has to be read by pastors
2:04:04
friends of mine in Korea and I said but seriously says yes. Yeah.
2:04:12
Then it became clear to me that the problem, the challenge of the shepherds
2:04:21
is the same in any culture, what changes is the language. So,
2:04:30
that' s where all this and the books came from, too. Well,
2:04:33
as the title says well in the first no shepherds of flesh and blood
2:04:39
that, by the way, I was with you in a program there years
2:04:43
ago, taking Barcelona and we were talking about this and the title, because
2:04:51
it speaks clearly, as I say, of the guts of the book.
2:04:55
But it has to be said that there are shepherds who are not fleshly Hues
2:05:01
Then, when you see by the media, by television, a shepherd who
2:05:05
has a perfect hairstyle, a Armani suit, nothing against Armani, a family
2:05:14
presents the image of a perfect family, perfect children, perfect marriage. None
2:05:19
of that, it' s true. Our marriages, our children, our
2:05:26
families are not perfect. So the book talks about all this, these two
2:05:30
books, and it makes it good and I do it in an intimate way,
2:05:36
that is, without tongue hairs, but with very practical things that they
2:05:42
can use. Me. He has found many shepherds who have told me to
2:05:45
flee. If I had read this 20 years ago, I wouldn' t
2:05:49
have saved a lot of fuss in my ministry. Yes, yes, I
2:05:53
do, sir, that' s why we recommend those who have now joined
2:05:57
our tuning. Alfonso Guevara, with whom we are talking, Pastor Alfonso Guevara,
2:06:03
also his book Previous books shepherds of flesh and bone, who was winner
2:06:10
of the prize know. You can get it and then recently also from home
2:06:15
creation. I was looking at the pastor' s life on Google now.
2:06:21
I think that' s what Alfonso said right now, books like these.
2:06:27
If they are read, I am also a pastor of forty years of ministry
2:06:31
and I think I will be able to contribute something. But if I had
2:06:35
read books like these, like the one Alfonso gave us, I think he
2:06:42
would have helped me avoid many headaches a few years ago. Truly remember the
2:06:48
life of the shepherd is one of the last, also in the series of
2:06:53
shepherds of flesh and bone and the life of the shepherd. But now let
2:06:57
' s go to what there is another more quick mention, which is this
2:07:02
ancient, but not outdated commandments. Yes, this is a book that I
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self published in Spain, I distributed Bible society my friend Gonzalo and they are
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at once in due. There are old bookstores in Spain, but not old
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- fashioned. This is to talk about another day in July, because it
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has a lot of marine fabric. Yeah, yeah, well. I'
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ll get back to you. I am a member of the Board of Directors
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of the Bible Society and I believe I have seen it. I think I
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' ve seen him there, in the sayings, in the Bible society bookshop.
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But, well, let' s be interesting, ancient, expect antiquated
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phenomena, wow. Well, let' s go to this recent publication Jesus
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in everything, how this book responds to in this culture that wants to erase
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the name of Jesus tries it at all costs, but you can' t
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all how this publication responds to it. Well, this is nothing new,
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especially in the context where I have now lived for the last forty- two
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years and before because I came here to the United States with my father and
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my family. But it' s nothing new. I repeat, in this
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context, where I live in American culture as Hispanic, I run into all
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this, not because it is palpable, but here it is nothing new.
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Here I remember in the late sixties, even seventy, when John Lennon said
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they were more famous than Jesus, and that' s where they started.
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There began that dialectic and that attempt to overshadow Christianity, to cast aside the
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name of Jesus, and there, in a sense, the dechristianization of American
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culture also began before that. And, therefore, the rest of the world,
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because everything that happens here leaks, whether you like it or not,
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the rest of the world has come out very good things, but horrible,
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terrible things have also come out. So, and of course, it'
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s very curious to have people in Spain like Levic' s American burgers and
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jeans, for example, but they hate a lot of things about Yankees and
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American culture. But all that anti- gods and anti- Jesus has been
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permeating the culture here and has also filtered into angelic churches and people' s
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psyches. People think that here, this is a Christian country onhalli or nothing
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to see. This is already an anti- God atheistic country, when you
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already have sixty- five billion abortions since abortion was legalized, this ceased to
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be a Christian country a long time ago. Let' s not fool ourselves.
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So all that, all that has influenced people' s mentality, even
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sneaked into the church. That' s why and I' m talking about
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Hispanic churches too because it' s what my job is with my colleagues,
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my Hispanic compatriots here and here. Hence the tremendous need to talk about Jesus.
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We are not surprised by the fact that there are so many people,
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billions who have neither read nor heard of Jesus. And good Spain, that
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at one time there were blows to the chest that it was a religious and
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Christian country. I remember going with my father to the Canary Islands in the
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year seventy- seven- four seventy- five, to an evangelistic campaign there
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and going and witnessing in the streets and asking such questions and people, as
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I had not heard clear, had fled Jesus at Christmas Holy Week, but
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I had no idea who Jesus was and what he represented and what he had
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done. So, bringing this to the present, is that I write this
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book right now. Why, because Jesus Jesus has put it on the periphery,
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the periphery of many areas, because there I speak. I have thirteen
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chapters in the book and the book I intentionally wrote it that way. The
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first chapter to give you an idea of Jesus in the beginning. And it
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is for that, for it is necessary to talk about Genesis one and John
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one. Jesus in the beginning, he is the creator, but the last
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chapter is Jesus in the end. The interesting thing about this is that Jesus
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promised us that he would be with us until the end. So, between
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the beginning and the end there is what we call a whole life, a
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whole existence. And I speak of that precisely and how Jesus is and can
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be involved in our entire existence from beginning to end. And it is that,
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for example, you go to a cemetery and there, on the tombstone,
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you will see the name of the person, the date of birth and
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the date of death. And between one date and the other there' s
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a little ray. That rayita, that raita is very significant, because that
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rayita means a lifetime between the beginning and the end. Then, from there
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I am developing and we will talk here more because questions will arise and I
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also wrote the book because I am in daily need of more of Jesus.
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I recognize it, I need it, and therefore the world also desperately needs
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the prsons, the power, the word and the presence of Jesus. Person,
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power, word, presence of Jesus and how they see him there in
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the announcement. My proposal is that no and it is clear, Jesus in
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everything or Jesus in nothing. He' s the lord of everything or the
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lord of nothing. There' s no half- inks. How interesting he
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hears what synthesis you have made, because really hearing Alfonso Guevara, our interviewee
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and author of these books, pastor writer, too, I say, a
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very experienced pastor. That is why he has the authority to advance us these
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books of shepherds of flesh and blood. The life of the shepherd, but
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now with the last book, Jesus in all or the contrast, Jesus in
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nothing, in those thirteen chapters, Jesus in the beginning, Jesus in the
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family, Jesus in the marriage, Jesus in the needy, Jesus in sickness,
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Jesus in the work, Jesus in the center, Jesus in the boat,
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Jesus in the cross, Jesus in the believer, Jesus in the resurrection,
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Jesus in his second avenue and Jesus in the end. I the truth
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that, knowing your literary style as you write, that you write, you
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are so descriptive writing and I believe that readers will enjoy it, I have
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seemed like a glimpse into the whole trajectory, as you have said, of
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a life Jesus in everything is Jesus is the centrality of Jesus as you say
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and the supremacy of Jesus in the Lordship, of Jesus in so many areas
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of our life. You mean that right truth, that' s right.
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When I refer to the centrality of Jesus, to the centrality of Christ,
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I mean that he has the divine right to be at the center of our
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lives and of our particular worlds, and also of the Church, because,
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if we invoke him as our lord, he has that right to be at
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the center of our lives and at the center of the Church. But,
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as I said earlier, Jesus is on the periphery many times in our lives
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and in the life of the Church. Because I must clarify and emphasize Jesus
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is not a display ornament, because sometimes we put Jesus on a shelf as
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if he were a little garden figurine and for others to admire. But no,
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no, He' s not an ornament. Jesus is also not an
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emergency accessory. The typical hotel announcement that I go a lot from the emergency
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hose only breaks in case of fire and seems to pretend that Lord Jesus is
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used only in case of emergency. No. No, it' s not
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an emergency accessory. Jesus is also not the genius of the lamp because in
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recent years Jesus has presented himself as that genius of the lamp they see Christ
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and all the problems are going to end, it is not true, come
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to Christ and the money will come out of your ears, it is not
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true. Brutal materialism has been presented with that nefarious doctrine of prosperity. God
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wants to prosper him. No doubt about it. The apostle John says so,
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but this is not the genius of the lamp that we can use at
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our whim Jesus is not a pet of companionship either, for look now I
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am lonely, for I will summon the Lord Lord come this way that I
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feel alone bored. No. No, no, no, Jesus is the
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lord. He has to be in the center or not. One out of
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two. That' s the WOW approach. Yes, there is certainly a
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fraudulent discourse of Jesus. In some cases there are not few who have adulterated
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the truth, the Gospel, but the truth persists. And besides, this
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approach so transparent, so crystalline Jesus in everything and with those aspects that Alfonso
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Guevara proposes to us, in his book Jesus. In every editorial an illito.
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You can get it from the Lee platform, but it' s already
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in the evangelical bookstores available Well, it' s still hot out there,
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it' s out there in Spain. I understand what' s coming right
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before Christmas. And man who in good weather, because he asked in Colombia
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this week that he was with booksellers and also with shepherds, told him to
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see Christmas. It is about who, for Jesus, that is, is
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celebrating Jesus’ birthday. What a better gift to say, so put this
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book under the tree to someone, because the idea I present also is that
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sometimes we cut ourselves in evangelizing very cut or we dare not speak to that
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neighbor, that neighbor or that co- worker in the office or at work
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at the supermarket. And good, but the book can serve as a bridge.
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I mean, look. Take this book because it is written not only
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for the believer, but I wrote it thinking of the unbelievers who have not
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read and need to hear the Gospel Jesus and is the bridge. It is
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a good excuse to present the Gospel as a Christmas gift. That' s
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an idea, uh, yeah, perfect, perfect. I was going to
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ask you is answering how this book can help unbelievers in Jesus. And I
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think the content, the focus and what you' re saying is perfect and
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better. At Christmas, everyone' s good. Christmas. Jesus saw the
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aroma of Christmas and the inevitably fills everything and people look. We organize gospel
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music concerts that we have here in Barcelona on December 18th, and the people
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that at other times of the year, not even if everything that surrounds at
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Christmas and has to do with Jesus, many people pay attention. A book
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It is a good tool because we also give things away, we give ourselves
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Jesus in everything. Besides, I tell you that thing, besides the content
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I can imagine, knowing your way of writing so magnificent that I like it.
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Jesus in everything is a book that has a lot, a title that
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I also have hook, if it responds to our expectations, for he hears
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magnificent at Christmas. Jesus in everything, Alfonso Guevara' s book of ouilit
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publishing already on the platform or a hi has it unavailable, but we will
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also be able to find it in the evangelical bookstores of Spain. Already in
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a few weeks before Christmas. Let' s try and track him down.
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I want to get it. I have an advance of the book, but
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I want to have it and read it with great affection, because I am
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a passionate central Christ and I like it when things are explained well. Hey,
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that' s good, Alfonso, to be able to talk to you
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from Dallas. There, you' re there for a while opening a new
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church. It' s not from Austin. Austistin is perfect. Austin is
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the state capital, but well, we' re close to Dallas. I
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' m two and a half hours from Houston, three hours south and San
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Antonio an hour and a half. I mean, Austin is at the center
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of this great state. Texas is the size of France. It is a
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very large state and there you are performing pastoral work also right now. Yeah,
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well, I do a few things. I am director of pastoral care
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and ministerial ethics of an association of pastors here in the city between twenty and
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thirty churches or pastors. I also teach in a hermeneutic Bible institute. Next
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year I' ll teach or biletics. In case it' s little above
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everything I do, my wife and I are involved in a plantation and I
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was telling her a new play and we' re there borrowing to say it.
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So, this is an Anglo- Saxon church that wanted to start a
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Hispanic ministry and we are there since January. We started there with them a
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small group was eight nine. Now we' re thirty- thirty. We
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baptized four in July and the idea is to leave a pastoral couple there.
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And also, because I have my own ministry, which is to the pastors,
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and that is why I travel to all the world managing lectures workshops.
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I was in Ecuador and Colombia this week and on Thursday that comes except again
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for Colombia, in another part of Colombia. I' ll be there with
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pastors in a church, the largest presumptarian church in Latin America. It'
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s there near Cali back and the other weekend I' m going to El
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Salvador with two thousand brothers who are going to be there. I will be
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administering in the Church of God of Prophecy which has its convention, that is,
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my ministry, is pastoral renewal. It' s the name of the
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Ministry is interdenominational, as you can hear, and we' re like this.
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Everywhere. I must tell you that I hope to see you personally in
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April I will be with my colleague Gonzalo for the Madrils, but we have
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planned a tour there for catalun star with pastors churches. So I' ll
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give it to you. In April it will be the enchanted thing. If
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you could be with us around here for a weekend, it would be great
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to be clear to you. And the truth is that if what blessing you
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can enjoy all the gathering of your is such a fruitful experience and, besides,
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your way of communicating, which is so pleasant. Therefore, the truth
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celebrates that God renews your strength and carries it in your soul. That'
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s clear. It' s and when you carry it in your soul it
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' s that I had a very special mentor. He was my hero,
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He literally gave his life for the work in Spain, my father, my
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parent. That' s why I trained myself to see him give his life
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to a Latin American in the late 1960s and 1970s in Spain. If today
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you still feel discrimination with Latin Americans, don' t see you well,
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you know in the seventies it was fierce, but God gave him a special
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grace to win Spanish, because there were no Latin Americans in Spain, there
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were almost then. This one. That' s why I come from that
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ministerial wealth and of course I just think I' ve followed your steps and
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followed your ministry at this level, globally, I' m an extension of
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what was my parent. As simple as that, as simple as that,
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he hears infinitely grateful to your father for that contribution, as we told him
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to love Llove recently, and a whole life given and watered here, besides
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a good job, a magnificent job. I believe that the name of many
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Spaniards, we want to thank people and characters like your father, people like
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you, thanks for investing so much and of such good quality in our country.
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And thank you, Alfonso. A privilege for me every time I return
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to Spain is literally the motherland. Although I' m Cuban, I have
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Spanish blood. On both sides, my great- grandparents, on both sides,
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were Spanish and of course, many people look at me and tell me,
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but you don' t, you don' t, you look Cuban,
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because they have one idea of the Cuban of another. Well, in
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Cuba we were of all colors and flavors. What happens is that my ancestors
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were Asturians and Galicians. And this is the physiognomy of what my ancestors were
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like. Then that blood runs through my veins. Every time I go to
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Asturias, I feel at home, but I am Cuban and I will die
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Cuban. Yes, sir, but in a friend I wrote the other day
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with him there in Madrid, and he says hey you forgot your z and
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I say no. I can speak to you as a Castizo Madridman, but
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I' m Cuban, I' m faithful to my people, so this
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one and then he tells me and how we' re going to talk to
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people about lava feet. Well, with a chotis then when he realizes that
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I know Spanish culture to the core, then he fell. And well,
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OK, OK, I' m so pretty, Alfonso Guevara, dear friend,
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I' m sending you a very affectionate hug and thank you endlessly that
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you' ve been with us There you' ve already stuck to the early
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morning so you can be with us this morning. A hug is with great
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pleasure and a hug to all now always see you soon. Chao the train
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of life, an exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable
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trip at the rhythm of trem We have arrived at the end of the tour.
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Ladies and gentlemen, remember that evangelical churches exist throughout Spain. In general,
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the vast majority of the evangelical churches of Spain, about five, zero
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centers evangelical churches with a common connection that characterizes us, but with liturgies a
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little differentiated in the ultic practice, but that there we are with open doors.
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They are places of friendship and peace, usually, but of blessing.
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Believe me who is in the Christian and magenic communities, for people of all
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social backgrounds, as you can imagine in a multi- ethnic, multiracial,
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multicultural community and, evidently, where there are people of all human social classes,
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of all disciplines that you can imagine and that we meet. There we
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meet and share, we worship, we already recognize the greatness of God together,
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we really like to sing to Protestants, to the Emangenics, We very
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much like singing is the expression of freedom. Hence the African- American chants
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of the slavery of chanting was a form of emancipation, for that is in
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the soul- matter of Protestantism. Chanting as an expression of worship of God
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and gratitude. And also good reflection on the Bible, which is not an
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inspiration for life in all orders. And then fraternization, to interact with each
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other, to help and bless us and also to communicate this message to so
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many others so that they can receive it in time before it is too late.
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Don' t remember you can write me to Julio Pérez Arroba. The
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train of life. Point is for any query. In fact, it is
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done by people or suggestion or a book this, that, a proposal,
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a suggestion, sometimes a well- received criticism, because Julio Pérez throws the
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train of life. Point is you can write me there with pleasure. I
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will answer them for today nothing more and nothing less. Ladies and gentlemen,
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Julio Pérez has always spoken to you: the evangelical churches are a place of
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peace and friendship. You can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood
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or your population. You' ll be very welcome.