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Bears Banter Ep. 255: Patrick Mannelly joins as the Bears put the league on notice! · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's right, fair, down, fairs, fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's time for another edition of the Chicago Bears podcast, Bears, Banner, Powered by Second City, Gridiron, Phil, Zimmerman, with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't done an open that of noxious in a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure we're getting the YouTube comments already to skip ahead 15 seconds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care after that performance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bears just throttle the Seattle Seahawks and they dropped a mic, walked off the field and made an announcement to the NFL that the Chicago Bears have arrived as the best team in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, the best team in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to be talking about it with Patrick Mannelly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the former Chicago Bears long snap record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, part of 670 and 1043, the score in Chicago, he's going to be by here in just a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's why we always love Patrick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Patrick, we're going to talk about Caleb and Ben.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about the Jeffrey Simmons edition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going on with the Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in a talk about special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time we have Patrick on, we use it as kind of that, there's the coming together and really get the analysis as to the special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How should we feel about Cairo Santos?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How should we feel about Tory Taylor?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we think about the return game and everything that's been going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: with Chicago Bears special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He always gives us great analysis on that, and I love that you can get Patrick Manley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not too often, like you don't get special teams experts, but for the Chicago Bears, we have Patrick Manley, and he is gonna be by here in just a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have so much to talk to with Patrick, so you'll be looking forward to that, I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But before we do it, let's get to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to spend too much time on the specifics and the ins and outs of the games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: already becoming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the Super Bowl era, the Andre Swift is just the fifth bears running back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fifth, in the Super Bowl era, to rush for 10 touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's November.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the first week in November.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's already got 10.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get a head of Walter Payton by the end of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know we love Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we love this new offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be some old school bears fans that are going to be, it's going to be a little hard for them to
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[SPEAKER_00]: at the top of this list and not Walter Payton, Walter Payton has the rushing touchdowns record for most of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's 14 and Swift well on his way, I would be wouldn't be surprised if he's not at 16, 17 touchdowns by the end of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That would not surprise me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we could talk about Swiss three touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We could talk about the ins and outs and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's really just two things we really need to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to talk about where this team is as a whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to talk about the impact of Jeffrey Simmons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to talk about what's going on with Caleb Williams and where this team is in terms of how much they are dominating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they are dominating at a level that we really we've never seen in Chicago because this isn't even they're dominating differently than they did in the mid-80s with the dominant defense or even the lovey smith teams this is a different kind of domination because it's dominating on both sides of the football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and dominating offensively in a way that we've never really seen in Chicago at least in our lifetimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't really speak about the Sid Lockman Offences in the 1940s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, guys going to have to go to Jack Silverstein, maybe go to Jeff Berkerson, last year, maybe they got a little more knowledge in terms of what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually saw play on TikTok.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A play on TikTok.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the Chicago
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[SPEAKER_00]: actually earlier than that it was in the 30s and they pretended like the quarterback was running up the middle then they do a jump pass over the middle passes completed lateral back and then lateral back again to red grains who just goes galloping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually like absolutely incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A forward pass double lateral, fake quarterback sneak forward pass double lateral was the play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he got to give George Ellis credit for the creativity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was cut up with the 1940s when it was just three yards in a cloud of dust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, anyways, let's talk about a little more current offense than read grain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shall we?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about the Chicago Bears offense because I put out a tweet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll bring it up here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't have had it up beforehand, but you know, I'm never prepared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's why people like me, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm charming, I'm never prepared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just turn on a microphone, we know notes, and just start spin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since Caleb Williams has gotten back from injury, three games, one hundred and eighty minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready for what the Chicago Bears have done in these 180 minutes of football?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have had the lead for 158 minutes and 33 seconds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have had the lead in three games for all, but 21 and a half minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have only been tied at zero zero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've never been tied at three, three, seven, seven, ten, ten, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have only been tied at zero zero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have never trailed free games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bears basically on their first drive, whether they have to stop the opponent first or they get the ball on offense first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They go down, they score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't give up the lead the rest of the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't even get to a tie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just beat the piss outta you for 60 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like nothing we have ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Chicago Bears offense is a machine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can beat you with Caleb pulling one out of his rear if he has to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can beat you with short of efficient passes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can beat you by blocking the life out of you, like a boa constrictor and running the football, 45 times a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can beat you any way they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when they're on top of their game and when everyone is healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's always caveats, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen the Chicago Bears without Caleb Williams are not this good of a football team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're pretty good football team without Caleb Williams and that's saying something for Ben Johnson that they can be pretty good with Kase Kean of enticing Beijing, but they're not this good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Chicago Bears team, what we have seen and we don't know how much
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to continue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bears could be peaking right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could come back to earth a little bit or this could be the start of what the Chicago bears are as a football team moving forward for the rest of the season with Caleb Williams healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This offense is borderline unstoppable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Seattle Seahawks stop everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have not had a quarterback throw for over 200 yards against them, enter Caleb Williams, 240 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not gonna be bitter about it in a win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The screen pass to Khalif Raymond for 40, whatever yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: was a run because it went 12 inches backwards and sent a 12 inches forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why am I better?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Khalif Raymond over 18 and a half receiving yards doesn't hit because of 12 inches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 12 inches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you don't gamble ladies and gentlemen, but I do it anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams, 12 inches away from throwing for 285 yards against the Seattle Seahawks defense, but even without it, 240 yards from Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A stout, run defense, three touchdowns for DeAndre Swift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not only that, we get to the defensive side of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what we talk
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Jeffrey Simmons trade, we have on Sylvie from Waterland, Sylvie, we talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about it with Sylvie about what Jeffrey Simmons was going to do this defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That he wasn't just adding a talented player, that he was going to elevate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this entire defense and that's what he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I thought he played 50% in Sam's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played 85% in the snaps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just going out there and just dominating the Seahawks offensive line, sacking Sam, Donald, Donald had no chance on that sack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's drawn double teams and still making tackles, he is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what happened?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not only,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeffrey Simmons make an impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you guys saw the numbers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeffrey Simmons on the field, the Chicago Bears defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: free yards per play, Jeffrey Simmons off the field double digits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like 11 yards a play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how kind, how much of an impact he made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's that good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even think a lot of NFL fans understand how good Jeffrey Simmons is because they never get to see a play because the Titans are never on national TV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're watching on your Sunday ticket and you're flipping around and watching all the games, are you really tuning into the Titans?
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[SPEAKER_00]: ever really do you really care that much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Titans are playing the cults.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me tune in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're maybe watching if you got, you know, Alec Pearce on your fantasy team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's no reason to watch the Tennessee Titans right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been down for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeffrey Simmons isn't getting an actual audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get one now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His debut was something special.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was right up there with Khalil Max debut against the Green Bay Packers in 2018 except Chicago Bears won this time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't blow it in the second half like they did that year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeffrey Simmons made everyone better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Devin Bush getting into the mix because he's not
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[SPEAKER_00]: Montez sweat getting one on ones and he's looking like the guy in the Chicago Bears won on the edge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Austin Booker looking good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's looking good next to Jeffrey Simmons because he draws that much attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Chicago Bears defense has gone from a major week point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to a point where we said the Chicago Bears could not win a Super Bowl with this defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They simply couldn't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can't beat elite quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to place an elite quarterback at some point, whether it's in the NFC playoffs now, they all seem to be dropping like flies and Matthew Stanford might be getting a little old, but Brock Perti looks really damn good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh Allen looks really damn good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Patrick, I don't want to mess with him in the playoff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll mess with him in the playoffs, but you know what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you understand who Patrick, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That defense before Jeffrey Simmons, you don't want to deal with Patrick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That defense with Jeffrey Simmons, bring on Patrick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not worried about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeffrey Simmons has this defense is now good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it great?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they still could do some tweaking, they could add Khalil Mack if the charges ever decide to trade some of their assets away, why the charges would hold a Jim Harba like if your charges ownership you need to sit Jim Harba down and slap him like if Jim Harba is truly the reason the charges haven't traded away any of these aging veterans then Jim Harba needs to be slapped and he needs to be stripped of any decision making because he's trying to save his ass he's not doing what's
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the charges at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not saying Cleo Max gonna make her break this Chicago Bears defense, but I'm just saying from the charges perspective, they need to be making trades, all they're doing is hurting their future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now again, they're still a week away from the deadline, they can still make moves and it could be just a fire sale on Monday when the charges are oh and eight or even they're one and seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what do they think is gonna happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That aside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bears could also use someone in the secondary, you know, there's there's been some quarterbacks that are starting to pop up more and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bears could really use that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see the bears add two more players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see a man Mac and add someone in the secondary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am on board with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not want to waste this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This team is too good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on too much of a roll.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is playing Super Bowl caliber football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't waste it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Strengthen it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get it ready because at some point you're gonna need better secondary Jeffrey Simmons can only do so much At some point you got to make sure you got some kind of it's not a lockdown corner at least a pretty good corner Because I don't think the bears are gonna be able to get a lockdown corner at this point, but that's okay Improved the secondary a little bit make the defense of line even better whatever they can do The Chicago Bears cannot waste this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're too good of a football team
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[SPEAKER_00]: This defense is a good, is a great, we're going to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've only got a small sample size, but Jeffrey Simmons's impact was felt significantly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has transformed that defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What have you heard me talking about for eight months?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fix the defense of wine, fix the defense of wine, fix the defense of wine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't fix the defense of wine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They made the defense of wine great because that's how good Jeffrey Simmons is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Deforest Buckner, and I understand he wanted to go to San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand he was there before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is no like, you know, crushed a forest Buckner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The forest buttoner would have fixed the defense of line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What Jeffrey Simmons has done is in a wholly different universe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's that impactful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: what Ryan polls and Ben Johnson have done, green lighting this trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's huge for this defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeffrey Simmons is that good of a football player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's made the defense that much better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the Chicago Bears have a defense that compliments their offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have an offense that is can just choke the life out of you and a defense that is going to make it hell on other quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and is going to make it really difficult on third down to convert anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Sam Darnold, who's had a bad season, just wanted to get the hell off the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't want anything to do with this Chicago Bears defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And his counterpart on the other side of the field, that's right, we're talking about Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What Caleb is doing now is another level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams has leveled up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has gotten the special armor in the video game, whatever it might be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams is now part of that elite tier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whether it's next week or the week after, I'll be releasing my quarterback rankings at Wendy's City Gridiron, like I do, every quarter point of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're hitting that halfway point of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams is going to be in the top tier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he's going to be number one, because again, when I do my quarterback rankings, I talk, you know, speed the history, the accomplishments are also a part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not how is everyone playing right at this moment, because if it's how every quarterback was playing right at this moment, I think Caleb Williams is playing better than every quarterback in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, like, I'm not sitting there watching every game with Brock Perty, every game with Josh Allen, and every minute I should say, obviously, I'm watching a lot of football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, Pernies would play an MVP level football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh Allen's playing MVP level football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Burrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is playing MVP level football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Patrick Mahomes is playing MVP level football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't looked quite as sharp the last couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chiefs still, the Chiefs just have not been firing on that cylinder the last few years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just haven't found it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're still just good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just know how to win football games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like residual from what they were five years ago, but they are not the same football team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you've got that group to me right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is Burrow, Allen, Caleb, and Perti.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They think those four quarterbacks are playing better than everyone else in the league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's a question of who's playing better than who, and Perti has been crazy efficient and impressive, but he does not in my eyes have the playmaking skills of Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh Allen has the playmaking skills of Caleb Williams, but he will still make that mistake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Burrow still will make that mistake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He threw three picks, five touchdowns, three picks in like 450 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Burrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Joe Burrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, he turns the ball over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh Allen turns the ball over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams doesn't turn the ball over like Brock Perty, but he's got the playmaking ability like the other ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Caleb Williams is playing better than every quarterback in the NFL right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even with that, I think when you talk about those top tears, like Mike Sandow does his tears and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams has now leveled up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is in that top tier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when we talk about the best, if he plays like this the rest of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are entering the 2027 season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to be talking about Caleb Williams being on that elite tier of quarterback with my homes with Allen, with Burrow, that group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb is entering that group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Drake may might be entering that group too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, again, Caleb just beat him head to head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb's playing better than Drake may right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams is that good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bears have an elite quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the Chicago Bears Football Team have an elite quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is something that has not been said since World War II.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sid Lockman was the, and I hate bringing up Sid Lockman all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Sid Lockman, people like who cares about Sid, because Sid Lockman compared to his peers was the last to lead quarterback to Chicago Bears had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the 1940s, it was Sid Lockman and it was Sammy Ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like the original Manning and Brady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was it right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lockman Ball, they were the great quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lockman was elite obviously he's a Hall of Famer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the quarterbacks the bears have had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't admit, Jim McMahon when he was healthy was very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim McMahon was never elite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you looked at the elite quarterbacks in the mid-80s, when you looked at Dan Marino, even the late-80s if you want to improve the Dan Marino, John L. Wade, Joe Montana, like this group of quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're all time great quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim McMahon's never in that tier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though Jim McMahon never lost football games, when Jim McMahon was healthy in the mid 80s, the Chicago Bears practically never lost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was that good, but he's not that level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jay Colour, Jay Colour can be the most prolific passer in Chicago Bears history, but all that was is that the Bears had a pretty good quarter back for seven or eight years, whatever Jay Colour's 10 year was here as Chicago Bears quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've said this on the podcast many times to me, Jay Cutler was the pivot point of NFL quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If your quarterback was better than Jay Cutler, he was good enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you should keep that guy, you should resign that guy, you should keep that guy, your quarterback moving forward.
20:08
[SPEAKER_00]: If your quarterback was worse than Jay Cutler, you needed to find a better quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's who Jay Cutler was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Bears have cutler, the Bears have McMahon, the Bears have Sid Lockman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone argues outside of Caleb Williams now that those three quarterbacks from, you know, 20 from 1920 to 2023.
20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone argues that those three quarterbacks are the three best quarterbacks in Chicago Bears history.
20:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: someone might say, Jay, cutlercy all-time best, someone would say Jim, man's the all-time best, you know, because Sidlock when played so well, I don't really care how you want to rank him, but it's those three.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you've got Caleb Williams.
20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams is an incredible playmaker.
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams has incredible control of the offense at the line of Scrimmage.
20:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams is accurate with insane completion percentage now because he's taken the bunnies and not just always throwing the ball down the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams can make an incredible deep ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's phenomenal, intermediate middle of the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How long did we scream about Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields?
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[SPEAKER_00]: never try in the intermediate middle of the field because it's one of the tougher throws because it's a layer defense that you have to read and make sure you understand where all the parts of the defense are exactly where your offensive players are going to be and you need to fire it's a timing route too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much that goes in to go in intermediate middle of the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb does it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He lives intermediate middle of the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is who Caleb Williams is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has elite skills and despite throwing the ball up on deep throws, despite using really small windows and threading the needle.
21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams does not turn the football over.
22:04
[SPEAKER_00]: it's beyond rare and the only people, the only person really that fits that mold is Aaron Rogers and that's not surprising being Caleb Williams has said he has molded who he is off Aaron Rogers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit like Jordan and Kobe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where Kobe just pattern himself after Michael Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, usually when you pattern yourself off of someone, you don't get better than them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously Kobe's a top 10 player and NBA history, but he is not number one all time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, LeBron fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Jordan is the greatest player in NBA history.
22:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Kobe's a top 10 player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Rogers is probably, I would have him fifth or sixth in terms of all time great quarterbacks.
22:50
[SPEAKER_00]: If we get to talk about, in 10 years, has Caleb Williams surpassed the mentor, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The man he patterned himself after.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or we get to talk about in 10 years, if Caleb Williams is arguably one of the top five quarterbacks in NFL history, sign me the F-Up.
23:09
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll worry about that then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If Caleb Williams never quite becomes as good as Aaron Rogers, and he's just borderline top 10
23:20
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the path that Caleb Williams has started on.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not there, he's got a long way to go.
23:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to flirt with the idea that Caleb Williams has stopped in quarterback of all time.
23:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't misconstrue what I am saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this quarterback with this offensive playcard, what we are seeing right now is the birth of something special.
23:42
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw the pieces falling into place in 2025.
23:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw the talent in 2024, but it was totally unharinist.
23:52
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't know it was uncoached.
23:54
[SPEAKER_00]: No one knew what was going on there, dumpster fire.
23:58
[SPEAKER_00]: 2025, we saw what it could be.
24:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But because we didn't see it for 60 minutes, we were seeing it in the last few minutes of the game and who Caleb Williams was.
24:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And Ben Johnson, the play caller, and things he was setting up for 55 minutes that were opening up in the last five minutes of the game.
24:16
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw it coming together, but it wasn't there.
24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're seeing it all come together.
24:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams is a psycho, Ben Johnson is a psycho.
24:29
[SPEAKER_00]: They are the best kind of psycho and they are psycho together.
24:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And they are, they are hitting their stride.
24:37
[SPEAKER_00]: They are, it's, you know, finish in each other's sentences kind of thing.
24:40
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a partnership that is really starting to just hum.
24:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And if these two stay on the same page, moving forward for the next decade,
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[SPEAKER_00]: water we about to witness.
24:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even wrap my head around.
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a tornado of information that's just just flying around in my head.
25:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sitting here talking thinking about quarterbacks for the Chicago Bears winning MVP's winning Super Bowl MVP's going to the Hall of Fame, becoming all-time great quarterbacks.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where my brain is going.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: My brain can't stop from thinking about these things because for my entire adult life, for my entire life, haven't had a player this talented at their positions since Walter Payton.
25:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm not Walter Payton's a top five player in NFL history.
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: But Caleb Williams is that talented.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Earl Locker was great.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Tommy Harris was great.
25:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Peanut Tillman was great.
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Devon has to actually Devon Hester.
25:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a specialist, right?
25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: That's in terms of return.
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Devon Hester is that level of talent at his position.
25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where we are with Caleb Williams.
25:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He's that good of a football player.
25:56
[SPEAKER_00]: You might be rolling your eyes right now.
25:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And this guy is drinking the cool aid.
25:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a bear's fan, but this is too much.
26:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Deal with it, because that's what this Chicago Bears team is becoming.
26:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been saying it that they had a chance to really start putting this together.
26:10
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people, I can't just say it's only me.
26:12
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people on this podcast feed, this network have been saying it.
26:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff Berkis has been on the Ben Johnson train for years when he was still in Detroit.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Lester was right there with him.
26:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I was sitting there three weeks into the 2023 season saying Kale Williams needs to be a Chicago bear.
26:31
[SPEAKER_00]: like the bears, content creators, a lot of us have seen what the path was to success here.
26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: We may not have seen it in 2017.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: We couldn't figure it out.
26:43
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was laying itself out for us in 2023 and 2024.
26:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And here it is.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were really all a lot of us on the same page about Maddie Refuse and that he needed to go.
26:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And that he stuck around was that George,
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: but he's stuck around and that embarrassment on Thanksgiving.
27:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Davis Mills touchdown in 2022 where Lovey Smith gave the Texan's management a middle finger and went out and won a football game and got the bears the number one pick.
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: That coupled with
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie Berfluss' embarrassment on Thanksgiving on national television where the bears did not have a choice, but to make a move.
27:29
[SPEAKER_00]: If the Chicago Bears were mediocre in 2024, they probably would have stopped with Maddie Berfluss.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: If they went 9 and 8 or even 8 and 9, Maddie Berfluss' price still here.
27:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have Ben Johnson and there's no path, but we saw the path.
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: The path was Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams and it was the stars were aligning.
27:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about it that the bears didn't do things the right way still, right?
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: The owner should hire the president, the president should be a part of hiring the GM, the GM should hire the coach, the coach picks the quarterback, right?
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we said this is how it needs to go.
28:04
[SPEAKER_00]: What did the Chicago Bears do?
28:05
[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bears hired the GM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The GM was around when they bring in the president.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they hire, then they draft the quarterback and then they hire the coach.
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't do it lower backwards.
28:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But the stars aligned everything just was in perfect harmony and the Chicago Bears.
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just like it was time for the Bears.
28:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just time that 100 years of a lot of failures and just 20 to 30 years of incompetence in failures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just nothing was going to stop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: from the Chicago Bears, getting Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson, the stars aligned and it happened.
28:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're starting to reap the rewards, the benefit of what this is.
28:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bears have the coach, the Bears have the quarterback, the Bears have arguably the best defense of player in the NFL.
29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what Miles Garrett is when he gets back for the Rams, cause he had that title last year.
29:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Parsons is right there as well.
29:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Those two guys are hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeffrey Simmons right now is the best defense supplier in the NFL.
29:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You saw it against Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You saw the kind of impact he can make.
29:18
[SPEAKER_00]: They might by the end of the year have the best offense of player in the NFL.
29:22
[SPEAKER_00]: JSN has an argument but he's not a quarterback.
29:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If Caleb Williams is playing at this elite level for the next two months,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the Chicago Bears may have the best offensive player in the NFL, the best defensive player enough in the NFL and the best coach in the NFL.
29:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And even if they are not number one, they're all going to be in the top three.
29:40
[SPEAKER_00]: like this is what you have and when you have that, when you have that foundation and then you get to still throw in a really good offensive line and a solid running back with Swift and burden and loveland and these other pieces that the bears have suddenly it all comes together and the Chicago Bears have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a super bowl contender.
30:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I can go for 30 minutes, but I don't care.
30:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to keep going because last thing I want to say, you know, we're going to get on Patrick Manley.
30:09
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a nice conversation with Patrick.
30:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was before the Seattle game about my expectations for the Chicago Bears team.
30:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm hoping I'm going to explain this while I wrote about it to for my hot take article.
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never felt this way in my adult life about the Chicago Bears in terms of the expectations for what they can accomplish this year.
30:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I mean by that is, I look at this Chicago Bears team and I say they are a super well-contender.
30:44
[SPEAKER_00]: They are easily, I think they're the best team in the NFL, even if you want to be a little bit of a harsher critic and you want to say it's Buffalo or it's San Francisco,
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: They're definitely in the top five.
30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're one of the top five teams in the NFL, you are absolutely in the Super Bowl conversation.
31:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, I think the Chicago Bears are a Super Bowl contender.
31:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And in my adult life, so we're talking, let's just call it mid 90s moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The last 30 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never felt that way about a Chicago Bears team.
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bears have had some excellent football teams.
31:21
[SPEAKER_00]: 2018 was an excellent football team.
31:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought in 2018, if they beat the Eagles, like they could beat the Rams, I wasn't eliminated.
31:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they'd beat them a month prior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But did you really think Matt Nagy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Mitch Trippisky could be Tom Brady and Bill Balochek.
31:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you really think that was maybe maybe things, you know, the stars would align kind of thing.
31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a difference between expecting it and just hoping.
31:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you could hope the 2018 bears that defense was just going to continue to just vibe and they were going to win a title.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, this 2018 Bears would become Mitch Tribiski would become the worst quarterback to everyone as Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd be there with Trent Delfer, he'd be there with Brad Johnson, you know, some of the guys in the 70s and 80s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what the 2018 Bears would have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The lobby teams with Hester and Earl Locker and Brakes and everyone,
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they had home field advantage and soldier field against the states, you felt like, yeah, this defense, they could bottle a breeze.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They might be able to do this.
32:36
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, did you really say that Rex Grossman was going to be able to be Drew Breeze and Peyton Manning and back to back weeks?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you really believe it?
32:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you like, eventually, the bad quarterback play is going to catch up with them.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Rex Grossman throws a crippling interception in the Super Bowl.
32:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to go back to the mid-80s when I was a child, when I was eight, nine, ten years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have enough context.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't understand.
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're nine years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to, I mean, fans, we all overrated our players.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But nine years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're really going to overwrite your players.
33:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And got Walter Payton, you don't quite realize that he's not the same guy he was a couple years ago, because he's aging, Jim McMan can't stay on the field.
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And oh, he'll stay on the field this year, right?
33:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're nine, ten years old, everything's going to work out.
33:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you look at the team and you see the best version of what that team can be.
33:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't look at the, well, the odds of that best version are very low.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Chicago Bears, the 20, 20, 6 Chicago Bears.
33:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I think are the best team that they have put on the field since 1986 not 85 right 85 obviously 85 bears the next year the bears went 14 and 2 and they basically had the entire team back buddy Ryan wasn't there But they basically had the rest of the team back and statistically in a lot of ways the 86 defense was technically better than the 85 defense but they had no quarterback may lose in the playoffs 87
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[SPEAKER_00]: and 88, 88 patents gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim McMan is nowhere near the field all the time by 88.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 88, they definitely weren't the same team anymore.
34:23
[SPEAKER_00]: 87, patents still there and Neil Anderson's there now.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You can kind of start, it was still there.
34:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But even like you talked to Gary Fensick, when we did the 40-year anniversary of the 85 team, Fensick, even talking about the 87 team, it didn't have the fire anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like something had changed in 87.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: was really the last time the Chicago Bears were a Super Bowl contender and they were going to defend their Super Bowl title.
34:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the Charles Martin play with Jim McMan, the dirtiest playing NFL history, made a major impact as the bear.
34:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He was out for the year and the bear's couldn't, you know, find a quarterback done floaty.
35:02
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to rehash everything.
35:04
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is it, 2026 is the best team since 1986.
35:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean they're gonna, you know, reach the Super Bowl.
35:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have a strong chance and I understand the O16 did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna reach an NFC title game.
35:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously they did that in 2010, which I cut where they, you know, they did that when they reached the Super Bowl.
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: They did that in 88.
35:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I understand that there are certain accomplishments that this Bears team may or may not be able to hit.
35:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless of how this team plays out, this team, if it fires on the cylinders it's firing on right now, it's the best bear's team since 1986.
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the difference is, from 86 versus this one quarterback play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have Jim McMahon, they couldn't feel the functioning quarterback.
35:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Now they have a great quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ball game changer, absolute ball game changer.
36:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Chicago Bears are the best team in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they play, like they're playing right now, they're better than the Niners, they're better than Buffalo, they're better than Kansas City, Minnesota's laughable with their quarterback play.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's better than the Chicago Bears football team.
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to ask Patrick Mannelly if he believes that to be the case as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He joins me next, this is Bill Zimmerman, Bears Banner, we'll be right back.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back into the podcast.
36:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Always excited to talk to this person.
36:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He's always willing to come on every year.
36:40
[SPEAKER_00]: We talk special teams.
36:41
[SPEAKER_00]: We talk a whole different things that you get to talk to with Patrick Manley that not a lot of other people can handle because they don't have the knowledge that he does.
36:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's joining me today on behalf of the game, film, registry, and cardiovascular health.
36:54
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna get into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're gonna talk some bears first.
36:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Patrick Manley, pre and post on 1043 The Score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he joins me now, Patrick.
37:03
[SPEAKER_00]: you doing?
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm great, good afternoon.
37:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I'm doing great with the six and two bears.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: The six and two bears are flying bears fans are flying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we have not seen a fan base this excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly think, and I know we had a great time last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we've had a fan base this excited for a while because I think expectations are really starting to grow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me start with that here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what we're doing this on Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a few days removed from the Monday night football game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bears team Patrick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What we're seeing, what we saw him doing in Seattle, which is obviously Uber impressive, what they've done with New England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, since Caleb has been back the domination, even when he was out the way they dominated the jets.
37:47
[SPEAKER_00]: This team is dominating.
37:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I don't even know if we've seen the bears dominate opponents like this since the mid-80s.
37:56
[SPEAKER_00]: What about 2006?
37:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was going to get $2,000.
38:01
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to compare to 2006.
38:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know.
38:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kidding.
38:04
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love what I'm seeing.
38:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You're seeing a complete team, right?
38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: To be able to go out there to see out of a plane, the way they did and put up 34 points against that defense after seeing the week before playing the chiefs, and they only put up three.
38:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, Bill, the biggest thing is just kind of the growth from last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talked about last year to this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're becoming a complete football team.
38:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams, growth is incredible.
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Johnson's doing an amazing job leading this team.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Dennis Allen's done an amazing job leading that defense coming into the game last week before Jeffrey Simmons.
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the addition to him, it's kind of scary.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: They are a complete team right now.
38:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's something, you know, it's middle of the season, like you said, but hopefully they can continue growing.
38:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they do, you know, we talk about Super Bowl contender, a Super Bowl possibility with this team.
38:54
[SPEAKER_00]: they really did and I tweeted out these numbers and they still when I read them I can't really believe that these are actually the numbers so I look this up so in the 180 foot ball minutes since Caleb Williams has been back and this just shows to what the level of domination they're doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have led for 158.5 of the 180 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they have only been tied at zero zero, never free free 10, 10, nothing like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have not trailed for a second in those three games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember just that level of domination that you never even fall behind even for a minute.
39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, first off, I'm stealing those stats from my radio show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting too because it says a lot about the offense, right, that they're putting up the points that they want to put up and you play with the lead.
39:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit easier to play defense, but that's dominating statistics.
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about dominating that that says a lot about this team and
39:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kind of, it all right now.
39:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are really, really damn good stats.
39:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's crazy.
39:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's, let's, I want to get to the, what's your thoughts about Jeffrey Simmons and what, how he transformed this defense.
40:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's spend a little bit time on the offense as well because, and this isn't an original thought for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard this from a lot of different analysts as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the most impressive thing about this offense
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[SPEAKER_00]: is that they can be a chameleon and they can beat you, however they need to beat you.
40:22
[SPEAKER_00]: If Caleb needs to play hero ball, he can go do it.
40:24
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's going to be short, then can dunk and efficient, they can do it.
40:27
[SPEAKER_00]: If they're just going to run the football 45 times and choke the life out of it, they can do it.
40:32
[SPEAKER_00]: they can beat teams in so many different ways, which is what I think is really exciting when you start talking about playing football in January, maybe even February about how you need to win games differently, depending on the weather and the conditions.
40:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And this bear's team is set up to do that.
40:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think I think everything there, the way you can win with all the ways you describe there.
40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really, well, it starts with Ben Johnson, but let's talk about players.
40:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really Caleb Williams.
40:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I said last week after the postgame, my favorite plays were the check-downs.
41:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you have a complete game that Kayla can play.
41:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He's Superman in the fourth quarter.
41:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen that in the past, but he's now taking what's given to him.
41:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He's digesting the game plan that's put in front of him from Ben Johnson, and he's out there executing him.
41:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we saw the third and 11th row to Rome two weeks ago that he can do when you need to.
41:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But when it is first and ten and that throws not there, he can dump it at the Andre Swift and get the four, four, five yards.
41:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Put it in the cleave Raymond's hands.
41:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Who can go on third and nine with a little swing pass and take it down, you know, the three yard line.
41:35
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a complete offense that can beat you in many ways.
41:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's scary for defensive coordinators of how do you defend this?
41:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got Roman Dunzey, Luther Burton on the outside, you got a cold, cold while that, excuse me, colds and lovelin' now a tight end, the Andre Swift would running back, but it all starts going back to Caleb Williams.
41:52
[SPEAKER_01]: What he can do, how he can run this offense so many different ways, and again, you have the offensive line.
41:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you can lean on those guys to get the run game going.
42:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, it's a scary offense.
42:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when we talk about the bears in the past, it was always about how good this defense is.
42:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's led by this offensive Caleb Williams.
42:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and look, and this is just, this is just kind of statement.
42:13
[SPEAKER_00]: A fact bears offense is over the years.
42:15
[SPEAKER_00]: We know historically haven't been great.
42:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of one of those things.
42:19
[SPEAKER_00]: If the bears throw an incomplete pass on first down, and then there's the fall start, and they're looking at second and 15, it's punt team get ready.
42:25
[SPEAKER_00]: But now it's, we're sitting here going, but they'll figure it out.
42:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, it's a whole different mentality.
42:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've heard this, but you know, I do the pre-imposed game with all recruits, and we have Rubin Brown that played with us.
42:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And he brought up the story that Ruben played for Jim Kelly in the bills and those guys in that offense, the K-gun.
42:43
[SPEAKER_01]: 70 was a rookie he jumped off sides, so it's first in 15 and he comes back to the huddle and he's cussed himself and Jim Kelly looks at Ruben, he's like, what's wrong?
42:52
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, man, I jumped off side and he goes, that's nowhere as you just float us down.
42:56
[SPEAKER_01]: No big deal.
42:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You just float us down.
42:57
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna score points.
42:58
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I feel like this offense is when it does get to 11, 13, 9, you're like, that's all right.
43:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb will get it done.
43:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody will get open.
43:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what's going on.
43:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
43:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, like coming into this season, and I'll be the first to admit that I was critical of the off-season approach on how they address the defense.
43:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I really thought they needed to beef up the defensive line.
43:21
[SPEAKER_00]: We all were, we all were.
43:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I had big concerns to like, I don't think this team can win a Super Bowl because I don't see how they're going to be able to get pressure with four in January.
43:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you play a great quarterback, that's what you need to be able to do.
43:33
[SPEAKER_00]: and to just see the returns in one game with what Jeffrey Simmons has done.
43:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you go out and get to Forest Botner.
43:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great piece and that's going to help your defense a lot.
43:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeffrey Simmons is a transformative piece that elevates this defense from what I think a lot of his kind of thought was kind of Dennis Allen magic to, you know, this is a defense that is going to be able to give offence his trouble because Jeffrey Simmons is going to be
44:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a multiplier.
44:03
[SPEAKER_01]: People talk about what is a multiplier.
44:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a guy that makes everybody better around you.
44:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw it on Monday night where he gets double teams, Montes, sweats, one-on-one, awesome, bookers, one-on-one, helps the linebackers, Dev and Bush led the team and tackles, finally, a linebacker did, not a safety.
44:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And then talk about the safety's and corners that he helps them out.
44:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Balls coming out quicker.
44:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You watch Sam Dernel that's footwork.
44:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still on high-throws, early throws, low-balls, high-balls.
44:29
[SPEAKER_01]: He's making this defense way different for Dennis Allen.
44:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easier for him to prepare.
44:34
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw four men pressures get home.
44:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think getting Jeffrey Simmons, nobody believed it would happen.
44:40
[SPEAKER_01]: They just signed a glue contract.
44:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we gave up two first round picks, but he's showing in just in one game, I think Chicago fans are saying, it's worth it.
44:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That a guy can make that big of a difference.
44:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's amazing what he did in one week and how he came out and played in one week.
44:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to see what Dennis Allen learns from him, if not learning from him like personally, but learns from his play of what more he can do with him, the more Montes sweat plays next to him, I know he played it with him in college, the more gritty Jared plays with him, the more linebacker's play behind him.
45:15
[SPEAKER_00]: they're only gonna get better I think you know they had a hell of a showing on money night but I do think they can get better and I'm just I'm excited to see where it goes yeah and like look when I still love that Ryan pace took a big swing at Khalil Mac I know the overall returns probably weren't what what what that front office and the coaching staff was hoping for I mean not for Mac Mac Mac Mac Mac but I was outstanding but hold on they didn't have killer Williams right
45:40
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and that's, and that's a, that's a big thing.
45:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big thing.
45:43
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big thing.
45:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's huge.
45:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know pace, you know, he, he thought he had his guy in Trabisky and, and what we know, it didn't work out, but that, that's to me, like I was excited when the bear's got Cleo Mac, because I'm like, all right, this is a good football team.
45:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I signed out Robinson Tray Burton.
45:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You Mitch grows, you know, they got a great defense now, Khalil Mack, like I was excited because I'm like, the bears are really good.
46:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But this Jeffrey Simmons trade to me.
46:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't that, oh, this bear's team is really good.
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, this is like, all right, this is the best, if not one of the top two or three teams in the NFL.
46:15
[SPEAKER_00]: They are a Super Bowl contender.
46:17
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it's a difference between a playoff contender and a Super Bowl contender.
46:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what the bears were in 2018 versus 2026.
46:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was curious to see, because everybody talked about the trade deadline, are they going to make a trade for Cleo Mack again?
46:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to bring somebody in?
46:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just curious, is Ryan Poles?
46:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he feel like they're ready for the Super Bowl?
46:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Because to make a move like this, you have to feel like you're kind of on the verge of that.
46:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And he obviously did, because he made the switch.
46:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go out and see the difference he made.
46:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he put the league on notices what he did, not really Jeffrey Simmons, but the league on notice of how good this bear's team can be and what the progression of Caleb.
46:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm excited he did it, I did not question it at first because I've seen enough of Jeffrey Simmons.
47:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew he was that good of a player, but he went out there in week one and now he's set a standard for himself for us as bear's fans and bears media and everybody else that we're now going to expect it every Sunday, every time he plays, but
47:14
[SPEAKER_00]: he's put the league on notice and then Ryan polls is now put this team on notice hey I'm ready for you guys to win you're now there let's go let's see if we can do it yeah absolutely and when um when I look at this I'm curious to get your your opinion on this because
47:31
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to see the bears do here?
47:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Trade deadlines coming up in less than a week.
47:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to see them make another move?
47:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know all bear spans, like you mentioned, Kaleel Mack, and we'd love to see Kaleel Mack back in a bear's uniform.
47:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It almost feels superfluous, based on the impact Jeffrey Simmons gonna have.
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that sounds crazy to say, but look, they could absolutely use outside corner help.
47:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you like to see the bears make another move?
47:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not obviously as big as Simmons, but would you like to see them make another move or two?
47:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the simple one to me and people have talked about his niche on right to bring him back.
48:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He's sitting in all the bench in New York.
48:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he'd have to give anything up for him.
48:07
[SPEAKER_01]: His salary is nothing.
48:08
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows the defense.
48:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a depth guy.
48:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But as far as a splash player or splash picks giving up, no, I think you've given up enough.
48:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they've proven within a salad at the helm that this defense is good enough to win.
48:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think going into the season what we wanted was a middle of the packed defense and have this offense be superior.
48:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this offense is working on to be superior.
48:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I just I don't think you should go make that big of a of a splash or give up any more picks.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a simple one is just go getting the shine right as depth.
48:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Bring him back and plug him in and hopefully we can stay healthy on the end on the the outside, and it's excuse me, and I'm
48:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Malik Mohammed can come back from his injury and you know the biggest thing everybody else is talking about as jailing Johnson.
48:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Can he bring his play back up and if he can then, you know, I think this defense could become a lead.
48:59
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have jailing Johnson become the elite player and the addition of Jeffrey Simmons.
49:05
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Patrick Manley, of course, joining us on behalf of GameFilm Registry.
49:08
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get to that in a second.
49:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You brought up Jalen Johnson.
49:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to ask you, I'll just make it kind of straight out.
49:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Jalen can get back to at least close, maybe not all the way back, but a much improved version?
49:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
49:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't know.
49:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like that F, his athleticism is missing.
49:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, he looks different, right?
49:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Bill, he looks different.
49:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing is that I wonder how much is the injury.
49:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it is an injury where he can come back, it's going to take time.
49:33
[SPEAKER_01]: But what we're going into week nine, and we're not seeing that right now.
49:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure he's disappointed.
49:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope he is that he's not playing to his ability that we've seen in the past, but the answer is I don't know, but I just hope so, right?
49:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I just hope he can get back to somewhat semblance if he was before.
49:51
[SPEAKER_01]: As you get older, it's hard to play like you did when you were younger, but he had an amazing standard, amazing young career and hopefully he can't get back to that.
49:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And let me just ask you about Kayla Williams.
50:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I meant to ask you on this when we're doing the offense, but I want to get to it before we get to some other things here.
50:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you think Kayla ranks right now in terms of how he's playing at quarterback right now?
50:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not talking about building for the future because obviously there's, you know, he's first, first or second on the list at that point, but.
50:19
[SPEAKER_00]: the way he's playing right now, like I think he's playing arguably better than any other quarterback in the league.
50:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Patrick Holmes, yes, Josh Allen, yes, Joe Burrow.
50:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's as good if not better than any of those guys right now.
50:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a leap.
50:33
[SPEAKER_01]: His play the last few weeks has been a leap, but Ben Johnson said it.
50:36
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to stack him, right?
50:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got three in a row.
50:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to keep doing it.
50:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got another test against Todd Bulls in this defense.
50:43
[SPEAKER_01]: If he can keep doing this against these great defenses, then he will become elite.
50:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll be one of those top seven quarterbacks that I talk about in the league.
50:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Then if you start the season with a top seven quarterback, you're most likely, excuse me, most likely talking playoff seating, not just getting in the playoffs, but his play the last three weeks is good as anybody.
51:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think if you asked any team, any coach of what quarterback they'd take right now to
51:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it's fun to watch as a bear's fans that haven't seen a lot of elite quarterback play over the He's the best play is the boring play the check downs and things like that.
51:24
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about that That's what an elite quarterback does takes what's given to him makes the big play on third third and long or third in Situation or whatever that situation is and he's doing that
51:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he, he, he absolutely is.
51:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask you about special teams and kind of get your analysis as to where these units are.
51:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But before I do, I want to get into why you're joining us here today, talking about cardiovascular health, talking about the game film registry, cardiovascular health.
51:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I was honestly excited to do that.
51:51
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something I've taken a lot more.
51:53
[SPEAKER_00]: you know concern about in my own life of lost way you know pay attention you know doing some things the last couple of years to try and I'm getting close to 50 kind of start making sure you take better care of the body so tell us a little bit about game film registry and while you're here.
52:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so game field registry is for former players, former athletes in football basketball and baseball.
52:11
[SPEAKER_01]: They can get a free heart scan as through heart flow.
52:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's an AI-generated scan that it's basically like you sit in a CT scan or an MRI machine and it gives you a 3D image of your heart.
52:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I did this a couple weeks or yeah, basically a couple of weeks ago.
52:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to give you the backstory.
52:29
[SPEAKER_01]: My mom passed away in February of 07, a couple of weeks after the Super Bowl of a sudden heart attack.
52:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And I found out from that that my mom, side of the family, has had heart disease.
52:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So it scared the hell out of me and I was 30-ish, 32.
52:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been kind of health conscious about my heart since then.
52:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And then found out about heart flow a couple of months ago and jumped right on it with a game-film registry for former players and simple, easy way to get your heart scan.
52:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Took 20 minutes.
52:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Found out that, you know, I knew I had some calcium build up.
53:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It had been on some statin before and then through this found out I had a little bit more than then I was hoping for so we've increased my Medicine dose with that, but like you said approaching 50 on 51 Kind of scared me getting closer to 60 and it's just again.
53:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a simple way to find out about your heart health and if you go to heartflow.com backslash football
53:25
[SPEAKER_01]: great website easy way to get it done to sign up for it insurance will cover most of it you get well you can figure that out with your own insurance company but it's a simple way to do it here in Chicago Midwest, cardiovascular Institute and duly health are two great places they have different places around here the Chicago land to go get the heart scan but it's cutting edge man it's it's the new way of technology to find out about your heart health and I think everybody should do it.
53:50
[SPEAKER_01]: One in three former football players, die of heart disease, one in five in the general population do.
53:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So as I said, I'm scared about it.
53:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you're taking care of it yourself.
54:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And simple, easy, painless way to get your heart scan and get ahead of the curve and make sure that you, you know,
54:09
[SPEAKER_01]: don't have to really worry about the sonic killer and it's it's it's sad that we're we are with our heart disease in this country but this is great that hard flows out here putting this out here for us to get ahead of the game.
54:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and look you can't always know exactly where your heart health is at without you know trying to do something like this because I mean someone like myself and yeah I was carrying extra weight and things like that but my my mother's father died at a you know in his 50s this was in the 70s but died in his 50s
54:38
[SPEAKER_00]: of a heart attack.
54:39
[SPEAKER_00]: My dad ended up with triple bypass surgery.
54:41
[SPEAKER_00]: These are these are things that you inherit.
54:43
[SPEAKER_00]: These are it's part of your DNA.
54:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, yeah, you could look at someone like me and be like, oh, yeah, I might have, you know, some extra cholesterol, but there are healthy fit people that are jogging every day and doing the things that they need to do.
54:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And they might be having some issues with their heart, with their things that they don't even know about, even know they're taking care of their body.
55:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a thing that's a redditary.
55:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's something that we all need to take seriously as we especially as we age.
55:06
[SPEAKER_01]: it's true and with a AI you know people talking about the good the bad of whatever of AI I mean this is this is part of it and it's it's the good of AI is using hard flow and and their technology of of of finding out what is going on inside your body and it's it's it's it's a sad thing to say it's the silent killer right you don't know but now you can know what this can and this technology
55:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So there it is actually everyone go out there and make sure especially if you're in your 40s and your 50s starting to get into that age, make sure you do everything you can for your cardiovascular health heart flow dot com you heard it there from Patrick.
55:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So Patrick, before we end up the finish up this interview, I got to ask you about special teams because we do it all the time and you have such great insight on this.
55:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's start with Tory Taylor and a punting
55:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we've talked about him a lot over the years and he needed to speed up his process and needed to do a couple of things to get better.
56:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, we maybe have seen him speed up his process, but you know, still ended up with a block punt, the asset when 45 yards, you know, the man of punt is something that people are loving.
56:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you with Tory Taylor's development here in year three?
56:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He's becoming the player who was drafted where he was.
56:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He's becoming that complete punner.
56:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And flipping the field, punning him back on the inside of the 20-yard line, being able to kick the banana kick, we saw him get the turnover on a punk game.
56:28
[SPEAKER_01]: He's becoming a weapon.
56:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, you know, when he got drafted where he did, I'd be like, what are we doing?
56:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Spinning, you know, a draft pick on that guy, but now we're seeing
56:37
[SPEAKER_01]: that he's making a difference.
56:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm becoming a Tory Taylor fan.
56:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Some guys that takes a little bit long to become a pro and figure it out.
56:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And you saw the potential there.
56:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's becoming that guy.
56:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, you know, I have a lot of expectations in him.
56:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure he doesn't themselves.
56:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's going to be in a leap honor in the league for a long time.
56:56
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that's great to hear now with with Cairo Santos.
56:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I know he missed, you know, a couple kick spares fans were getting upset.
57:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he comes through and just drills a 58 yard field goal.
57:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of us went when when Ben Trott and Ruther were kind of like, is this the best idea, but but he he came up big there.
57:13
[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted it and we heard about that after the game.
57:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, put me out there.
57:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I will drill this baby.
57:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you with Cairo Santos?
57:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I know
57:22
[SPEAKER_01]: kickers miss kicks right but they got to make the big ones and he made the big one that was huge fifty a yarder lot of credit for been johnson to saying yes i believe in a making do it more credit for kyros saying hey i can go make this and go out there making it i'm i've always been i've been believing kyros note them for years the biggest thing about him is he makes the big kick and i did it's
57:46
[SPEAKER_01]: We're lucky to have him, and that was a huge kick for him.
57:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you put him out there, I trust him.
57:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe in him.
57:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got great fundamentals.
57:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Very, very good, fundamental kicker.
57:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a big believer in him.
57:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you about the long snapping this year because the bears they went with both Gardner who had, you know, racked up awards in college was the top, you know, long snapper coming out of coming out of college at that point has issues bears decide to go back to daily, you know, what is it about?
58:17
[SPEAKER_00]: acclimating from college to the NFL, making sure that the technique and the accuracy of the book, like kind of walk through white, white, maybe Bogartner struggled and you know, can he eventually become a big long snapper and how daily he's done since he's come over?
58:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm a big believer in both.
58:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think sometimes it takes guys a little bit longer to become a prolonged snapper, the transition from college to the pros is different.
58:41
[SPEAKER_01]: The rules are different, you got to learn to be able to block.
58:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You get hit on field goal things like that.
58:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Bo was a very very good long snap, right?
58:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I think just maybe he wasn't ready for the transition.
58:52
[SPEAKER_01]: In a great example he has there in that building with him to Scott Bailey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Scott took a little while to get started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think now he's in his ninth or tenth lead year in the league and is a very good long snap or so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bo has somebody to learn from, somebody to watch, so mentor to work with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think Bo has a long career in front of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just might take him
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[SPEAKER_01]: this year or whatever to get to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I am a believer in Bow and a big fan of Scott Naili I've known Scott since he was a Notre Dame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Love his career, love what he does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: True, true, true, true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, he's very good in the situation becomes key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Bow will be fine, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Scott will be Scott's the guy right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're maybe helped to transition when Scott decides to be done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And last thing I want to ask you know what you think of how the bears return game has been going I mean it seems like it's been going pretty well and specifically coverage I know we talked about Jada Walker last year's development in coverage and Daniel Hardy and his his keys to special teams How of the bears covered units look to you coverage a good jada walkers even taking this is level his play to a different level I thought Daniel Hardy is there
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[SPEAKER_01]: best coverage guy but right now jaddy walkers the best coverage guy he's the guy that I put the red dot on when i'm watching film because he's a difference maker they're fine in coverage i like what they do but return game they're really struggling um they're some breakdowns and where they're facing their hips and their depth and all that kind of stuff in the return game
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thomas is a good returner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still believe that.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think he's the out the opportunity because of blocking up front.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got to get better at that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they do, they can become dangerous.
1:00:31
[SPEAKER_01]: They've done well in blocking kicks with what he did last week in Austin Booker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're not a complete team yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, they're not one that when you put on tape, you're truly worried about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they can get this return game going, they're going to be even better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's something that they can they can improve on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there he is, Patrick Manley, Patrick, before I let you go one more time, tell everyone where they can go to find out a little bit more about heart flow and what they can do to make sure they have the best cardiovascular health they can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well there he is, Patrick Manley, of course, a long time long snapper of the Chicago Bears, and you can catch him pre and post on 1043 the scores coverage of those Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Patrick, thank you for so much time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for all you're doing for heart flow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's see how this second half of this season go for the Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like they might be building something special.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, there he is, Patrick Mannelly, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Always a really good interview with Patrick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Always like getting his insight on special teams a little bit from Bo Gardner, a little bit of Scott Daily, Tory Taylor, Cairo, Santos, Jajade Walker, you get it all with Patrick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, great insight on the bears' offense and this bears defense where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, everybody's feeling it, right?
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's feeling that vibe.
1:02:16
[SPEAKER_00]: That Chicago Bear Super Bowl vibe doesn't mean they're going to get there, but there's no reason that they can't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are that special of a football team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to the male bag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to our prediction and let's start with Bear Down, who says what the hell happened between
1:02:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that was that big of a deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you didn't see, um, Caleb Williams on the Monday night post game show talked about how Chicago is a bear's town.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was interesting because he said,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they told me like talking about the people of Chicago, whether it was the bear's organization, whoever it was, they told me that Chicago is a bear's town.
1:03:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't make the claim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying that's what he understood about the city when he arrived as a rookie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he mentioned Michael Jordan and the 90s bulls and said that even Jordan knew and that there were quotes from Jordan that he knew as big as the bulls were in the city of Chicago that it was still a bears town now it worked out well for for Jordan and the bulls that
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears were atrocious from 91 to 98, you know, a little success there at the very beginning when the bulls first won.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But once you got into the heart of those one years in the 95, 96, 97, 98, and that stretched there, the bears were just terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were winning four or five games a year, seven and nine was like, was basically the best they could do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were a bad football team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it works out well that the Chicago bulls are sitting there, went in 72 games a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this is a bear's town.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Caleb made that comment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Canty was on first take and basically said, don't invoke Michael Jordan's name and basically you don't know what you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I tweeted something to the effect of
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[SPEAKER_00]: former NFL player who was born in New York City raised in North Carolina when to college at Virginia and played in Dallas, New York and Baltimore is going to tell the city of Chicago what kind of sports town they are with what knowledge like yeah I called him out because like I look I have lived in New York for almost 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I miss the city of Chicago every day.
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would much rather live in the city of Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not to knock New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've done a lot of cool things because New York is gigantic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's an incredible, if you're in the music scene, incredible music comes through here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Constantly, Broadway, if that's your thing, I've seen some cool,
1:05:04
[SPEAKER_00]: cool shows on Broadway as well.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a Broadway guy, but I've still seen some really cool stuff on Broadway.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Tom Hanks on Broadway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Bruce Springsteen on Broadway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen George Clooney on Broadway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm going to see, you know, I'm a huge sign fellow guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to see Julia Louise, tri-fist on Broadway, Billy Crystal on Broadway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can see a lot of cool things in New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not knocking the city of New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll knock their pizza because it's not nearly as good as Chicago, Tavron or Deep
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will take it over New York.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I know New York loves their pizza, but again, I say it every time.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_00]: If you eat the pizza and throw away the crust, which a lot of New Yorkers do, it's not a great piece of pizza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care how good the first 95% is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The crust matters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Luminati's butter crust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The great thin crust, tavern crust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's great crust to be had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't ignore crust as part of a complete pizza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways,
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[SPEAKER_00]: All that to say, I have not lived in Chicago for almost 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I miss it every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I grew up in Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I lived in my 20s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the, I grew up in the suburbs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I lived in the city for almost 10 years in my 20s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chicago is a great city and Chicago is 100% I don't even know why I'm telling this to you guys because you guys listen to this podcast you know Chicago is a bears town and I think it's probably a cubs town second and it's a bulls town third and then there's the white socks in the black hawks and the black hawks don't matter unless they're really good and then yeah the city's going to rally behind the black hawks and those tames and cane and and Duncan Keith runs
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, we, the city of Chicago fans of the Chicago teams, we know this is a bear's town.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Chris Canty trying to tell Chicagoans, who they are, the biggest fans of, is just ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like Caleb can't talk about Michael Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't say that the bears are as good as Michael Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just, he literally just said, even Michael Jordan said that it was a bear's town when the bulls were the hottest thing in the city in the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just the way it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, there's nothing going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Canti did reply and basically he's like, if you did this much research, you know where my perspective comes from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like, I don't like to just blow off like when athletes and people respond to me, like celebrities or whatever, but like what was I going to say?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you don't have perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, Chris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where your perspective comes from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do a lot of research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I opened up your Wikipedia page.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I did I know you were born in New York that I know you were born in North Carolina No, I knew you went to Virginia and I knew you a couple of the NFL teams you played for it's been a while since you played Chris You were a nice player, but don't tell Chicago who they how they are supposed to be a fan Let's get to some more here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are all I think trade related calf manning
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was all in for Mac, but when I saw what big Jeff did for the guys we have, I don't think it's needed.
1:08:03
[SPEAKER_00]: As good of a story, it would be CB is beyond a need, corner back, of course.
1:08:08
[SPEAKER_00]: What magic would you work as GM, who would you go get and for what?
1:08:13
[SPEAKER_00]: We hear about nation and that's fine, but need another level up.
1:08:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, I mean, do you want to go for a week woolen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that's a level up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's a guy that you can have Mike St. Strel, the former Michigan guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on Washington.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's a guy you might be able to get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Patrick Mannelly there said that Neshaon Wright was enough for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to see, I'm with you, Cav.
1:08:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't mind seeing a little bit more of an impact player than Neshaon, although,
1:08:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Nation right when he can create turnovers, which maybe there's some more ducks with the bears front for being more a force in the passing game, maybe right can be a significant improvement.
1:08:57
[SPEAKER_00]: over what Jalen and Tyreek are giving them right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are a couple other names.
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I will throw out there, but yes, I do agree with you.
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they need to get some sort of boost to the corner back position and some kind of boost on the outside.
1:09:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Susnik, if you had to guess, do the bears make one more trade before Tuesday and if so, who is that player?
1:09:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, Sussnick, I say, yes, they will make a trade.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, yes, they will absolutely bring in a corner back.
1:09:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Nation writes the easy answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll throw a curveball and say Mike St. St. Strel and we'll go with those two as my predictions.
1:09:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Sports fans 79 if you could only trade for a defensive end or a cornerback who would it be or which position would it be?
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be cornerback.
1:09:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Cornerback is absolutely the bigger need but I will say this I don't think it's impossible that the bears can use day-free picks only get Colleal Mac to really make their defensive line a top five unit
1:10:07
[SPEAKER_00]: and go out and get a corner back and beef up their outside corners, their boundary corners as well.
1:10:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's not impossible that the bears make two more moves.
1:10:18
[SPEAKER_00]: From edge position, I would say it's
1:10:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Chicago Bears need to do anything other than Kaleel Mac.
1:10:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to bring in Mac, because he's familiar with Chicago and how is Hall, and I know there's not many guys left from the team that he was on, but there are a handful.
1:10:34
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to bring in Kaleel Mac for the vibes and just he doesn't have to play a ton of snaps, you can keep him fresh, you can keep him impactful.
1:10:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, guys, Mac, Mac, sweat, and Simmons coming at a, that's fun.
1:10:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fun.
1:10:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't just sit there and say, we don't need Cleal Mac.
1:10:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a little superfluous and might be?
1:10:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I told Patrick Manley, it might be.
1:10:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can get it for a fifth round pick, don't sit there and go, oh, well, we really need to keep our 168th pick or whatever the hell it's going to be.
1:11:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about it.
1:11:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Make the swings.
1:11:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You could always maneuver around and pick up a little more draft capital if you need it, especially on day three.
1:11:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't panic, but
1:11:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Feel free.
1:11:17
[SPEAKER_00]: If Khalil Magami had, and the chargers have been really weird about this, they're Owen seven and somehow they think they're their season isn't over.
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's over Jim, the problem is Jim Harbaugh.
1:11:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Harbaugh's career is basically over, and he's grappling with it.
1:11:31
[SPEAKER_00]: If he goes back to college, he needs to be suspended for a year because of the cheating and Michigan.
1:11:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So he can't go back to college.
1:11:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he does, he has to sign on as an assistant coach somewhere just so he can be suspended.
1:11:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's what he ends up doing while he's sitting out.
1:11:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he can do some TV work or something.
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Michigan is willing to hire him as an assistant coach and he literally does nothing.
1:11:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but that is a problem and he is literally now putting in potentially the worst job as a coach in NFL history, at least the modern NFL history.
1:12:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about the Canton Bulldogs and what they might have done in 1926.
1:12:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of those awful teams that came up.
1:12:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.
1:12:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It was some like the steam rollers or something Was the when the bears gave up back to back 50 burgers in the more trust in era to the Patriots and Packers Back to back games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were the first team to do it since some team in the 19 20s I don't remember what the hell team it was But it was some team you've never heard of because they folded you want to say the coaches there did it worse job.
1:12:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fine
1:12:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you're talking about the modern era of football, and you're talking about expectations that a team had, people thought, I thought the charges were going to win the division.
1:12:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Either the charges were going to be a good football team.
1:12:53
[SPEAKER_00]: They stink.
1:12:54
[SPEAKER_00]: They're the worst team in the league.
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you talk about expectations for a team is and where they actually are,
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Harbaw might be turning in the worst job as a head coach in the modern history of the NFL.
1:13:08
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how bad he's doing.
1:13:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So is he going to get, is he going to stick around for 2027?
1:13:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Are the chargers going to want him to stick around for 2027?
1:13:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't go back to college.
1:13:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Do what, just Jim Harbaw want to trade away veteran players.
1:13:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And now his teeth.
1:13:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's just, you know, playing out the string and he might not be back.
1:13:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Jim Harbaw's career is really
1:13:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It is not going well, and I think that is a big reason why the chargers have not made moves because Jim Harba is desperately trying to cling to getting some victories and maybe making his team respectable But he's got no place to go if the chargers get rid of me can't go back to college.
1:13:46
[SPEAKER_00]: No one's gonna touch him with a ten foot pole at this point because he's doing such a lousy job his careers in a big mess right now.
1:13:53
[SPEAKER_00]: He's only 62.
1:13:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he doesn't want to retire
1:13:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a problem for Jim Harbaugh.
1:13:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they'll just kind of strip him of his power and they'll make some moves here before the deadline.
1:14:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Monday, Tuesday is going to be an active day for trades in the NFL.
1:14:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see if the charges finally get on board and finally start trading people.
1:14:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But if they do and Cleal Matt wants to come to Chicago and you can get, you know, fifth round pick or whatever for Cleal, go do it.
1:14:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, also need to go out and get some corner
1:14:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to the prediction Sunday night football, Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
1:14:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm feeling good.
1:14:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm feeling the vibes.
1:14:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm loving where this team is at.
1:14:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know the last time I was this confident was going into the Packers game.
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And what was I think and being that confident with Tyson Bage and playing in Lambo field?
1:14:46
[SPEAKER_00]: That was Koolay Drake in there, but I am Guzzling the Koolay now, and I feel a lot more comfortable Guzzling my Koolay knowing that Caleb Williams is under center.
1:14:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Tampa can run the football really well.
1:14:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Tampa's defense is a pretty solid unit.
1:15:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But I go back to coaching, is Todd Bowles a good coach.
1:15:08
[SPEAKER_00]: My answer is no, pretty good defensive coordinator, sure.
1:15:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But is he a good coach?
1:15:13
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, he's not.
1:15:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we confident that the box offense is great?
1:15:19
[SPEAKER_00]: No, now again, they're running the hell out of the ball.
1:15:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Bucky Irving looks great.
1:15:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But with Jeffrey Simmons, Montez sweat defending the run, the linebackers having a little more freedom, I think I'm not saying that the bucks won't get any yardage, but I have a hard time believing they're going to rack up 182 yards rushing against this bear's defense.
1:15:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe I'm even saying that.
1:15:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bears are going to cruise in this one.
1:15:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ben Johnson can absolutely outcoach Todd Bowles from the offense, deepensive side.
1:15:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Dennis Allen is going to be able to do a good job, Baker Mayfield has not been good lately.
1:15:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He's barely thrown the football the last couple weeks, because of the thumb injury.
1:15:58
[SPEAKER_00]: thumb injury is supposed to be better.
1:15:59
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
1:16:01
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, this is a box team that is five and 12 in their last 17 games, dating back to last year.
1:16:07
[SPEAKER_00]: they have not been a good football team.
1:16:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Todd Bowles is a good coach.
1:16:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bears are going in Chicago.
1:16:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Prime time television and the I don't think they're just going to believe they're press clippings and come out flat.
1:16:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Ben Johnson is going to allow it.
1:16:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to tell this team we're going into a buy.
1:16:29
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to make a statement to the league.
1:16:32
[SPEAKER_00]: That last week was not a fluke.
1:16:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are the best team in the league.
1:16:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Go out there and beat the piss out of them.
1:16:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's exactly what's going to happen.
1:16:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bears win by more than two scores.
1:16:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a 17, 20, 21 point victory.
1:16:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bears cruise in this one.
1:16:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say it's 31, the 13, a lopsided win.
1:16:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And the bears go into this by feeling really good, especially knowing the New Orleans Saints are on the other side before they've got Detroit Jacksonville and some trickier game Buffalo trickier games down the stretch, but you're going to feel pretty good coming out of the by getting a slap around the New Orleans Saints.
1:17:13
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to do it for bears banter.
1:17:16
[SPEAKER_00]: We will talk to you all next week, bear it on everybody.
1:17:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Talk to you soon.
1:17:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Adios.
1:17:39
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