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- 0:00This is Money in Motion with Coss Financial, a fun and informative show designed
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- 1:02SOH eight three two one thirteen ten. That's six SOH eight three two one
- 1:04thirteen ten. Without any further adue, let's welcome in CJ and Malia.
- 1:08CJ, how you doing this week? I'm doing great. Good morning,
- 1:11Sean, good morning. Great to talk with you. Malia. How is
- 1:14your Christmas in New Years? Very good? Happy New Year to you.
- 1:18It's great to be back on with both of you. We got the gang
- 1:21all back together, and we've got a really important conversation to add something.
- 1:25I know that people really can take some time for good reason to consider,
- 1:29which is delaying taking your Social Security benefit in those eight percent credits, what
- 1:34that means, and some of the things to think about when you make that
- 1:38plan. We'll get the details from CJ Closs and Malia Quavis this morning in
- 1:41our conversation on Money in Motion here on thirteen ten Wiba, as mentioned,
- 1:46phone lines are open. Six SOH eight three two one thirteen ten. That's
- 1:49six oh eight three two one thirteen ten. Coming up a little bit later
- 1:53in the program, I'm gonna do the Closs Quiz question the week, a
- 1:55chance for you to win a fantastic prize to one of my favorite places on
- 1:57Earth the twenty five five dark gift card to the Cheesecake Factory from our friends
- 2:02at Class Financial. Little tip listen closely to the program because often both the
- 2:07question and answer to the class Quiz question the week come up during the program.
- 2:10And again we'll tell you the details on how you can win that a
- 2:13little bit later in the show. And before we start our conversation about delaying
- 2:16Social Security benefits and some of the things to be weighing and considering there,
- 2:21let's take a look back at last week's class Quiz question the week. Get
- 2:23the question and the answer there as well. Yeah, so last week we
- 2:28had a great conversation regarding whether or not you might want to seek out a
- 2:31financial planner, the pros and cons of utilizing one, or if you want
- 2:36to remain a do it yourself for so, great conversation last week, and
- 2:39the question was true or false. In twenty twenty two, approximately thirty five
- 2:45percent of Americans worked with a financial planner. The answer was true And a
- 2:50shout out to our winner that sounds like a stage name, Marlene of Monona
- 2:53just goes really well. Congratulations there her. She was the first one that
- 2:58replied with a correct answer, so shout out to her. Listen carefully for
- 3:01today's question. Congratulations Marlene, and don't forget you too. We'll have a
- 3:06chance to win later on in the program with the class quiz question of the
- 3:09week. Tell phone lines they are open for you if you've got a question
- 3:13about this week's specific topic or anything when it comes to retirement planning in general,
- 3:16we'd love to hear from you. Sixh eight three two one thirteen ten.
- 3:20That's sixh eight three two one thirteen ten. As mentioned, we are
- 3:23going to be discussing whether it makes sense to delay taking your Social Security benefit
- 3:28until the age of seventy and of course take advantage of that eight percent credits
- 3:31that take place. And I guess the question is should we wait CJ or
- 3:36should we take? Yeah, that is the million dollar question, isn't it.
- 3:42So? I do encourage people if you have questions about this as we
- 3:44go through this topic today, feel free to call in because there's a lot
- 3:47of interesting nuances to social security, especially when you apply it to different family
- 3:53circumstances, so you know, second marriages and death of a spouse and Emilyiah.
- 4:00We'll be talking about some of that more as we move forward. But
- 4:02here's the key. The decision when to claim social Security is a top concern
- 4:08for retirees, and it's for a good reason, because claiming too early and
- 4:11locking in a lower payment can prove to be a mistake for people who experience
- 4:15longevity. Of course, while delaying in order to secure a higher payment could
- 4:20perhaps have a problem if you die sooner than expected, which could leave money
- 4:25on the table. And we should note that for most people planning for retirement,
- 4:29sociecurity remains an important part of their future income. For some perhaps it's
- 4:35their only source of income. And that's actually true for twenty percent of the
- 4:40population, or I should say twenty percent of the population receiving Social Security benefits
- 4:46that it's their only source of income. In fact, more than sixty six
- 4:50million Americans currently collect Social Security. Another seven point five million collect what are
- 4:57called supplemental Social Security income benefits. So that is a lot of Americans.
- 5:01I think last I checked, there's about three hundred and twenty million total Americans,
- 5:05and so you're talking sixty six plus seven, you're talking a seventy million
- 5:11plus of the three hundred million or so here in the United States are receiving
- 5:15some sort of benefit through social security or social security supplemental income sources. So
- 5:19the first question is when can you first take your soci security benefit versus perhaps
- 5:25when the benefit is most ideal for your situation. And so you've heard us
- 5:30talk about this on the air before. But you can choose to collect your
- 5:32own benefits starting as early as age sixty two or any time up until your
- 5:39age seventy. Now, what we're focusing on here is social security retirement benefits.
- 5:43There are other benefits you can receive through sociecurity. We just mentioned one
- 5:46earlier, the supplemental soci Security income benefits, but for now we're focusing on
- 5:51retirement benefits. So the earliest being sixty two, the latest generally being seventy,
- 5:57is the age range in which America can start their social scurity benefits.
- 6:02Now, those who collect early, which is defined by Social Securities anything prior
- 6:08to your full retirement age. Okay, so we talked about sixty two up
- 6:13to seventy, but it's defined as anything early is before your full retirement age.
- 6:19And if you draw early, you'll get something less than your full retirement
- 6:23age benefit amount, which is why they call it a reduced benefit but of
- 6:27course this term full retirement age, known as FRA, you have to know
- 6:31what that age is. So if you were born between nineteen forty three and
- 6:36nineteen fifty four, your full retirement age is sixty six. If you are
- 6:42born between nineteen fifty five and nineteen fifty nine, your full retirement age is
- 6:46sixty six plus some number of months two months, four months, six months.
- 6:51If you were born after nineteen sixty, which I was, so I'm
- 6:55raising my hand here, my full retirement age or yours would be sixty seven.
- 7:00So again, think of it as three critical ages. Sixty two is
- 7:03the earliest I can draw, but it's going to be a reduced benefit.
- 7:08Sixty seven, in my case is my full retirement age amount. And then
- 7:13if I wait beyond sixty seven, I can wait up until age seventy.
- 7:16Okay. So those are kind of three key distinct ages to know about now.
- 7:21When you delay your retirement past your full retirement age, social security benefits
- 7:27are increased by a certain percentage if you delay that benefit. These are known
- 7:31as delayed retirement credits, and they can allow your benefit to increase up to
- 7:36eight percent per year until you start taking benefits, or until you reach age
- 7:42seventy. So to be clear, delayed retirement credits of eight percent per year
- 7:46would be applied to your Social Security benefit if you wait to collect beyond your
- 7:51full retirement to age. So in my case at sixty seven, if I
- 7:55waited to sixty eight, I would have eight percent, more to sixty nine,
- 8:00another eight percent, and then to seventy. It is kind of my
- 8:03maxed out benefit at age seventy. It's pretty nice feature there. As we
- 8:07talk with CJ. Closs and Malia Quavis, our retirement planning professionals from Class
- 8:11Financial. It's a new year, it's a great day to get on the
- 8:13phone and give us a call. If you've got a question. CJ and
- 8:16Malia would love to answer it for you. I got to just give us
- 8:18a call at station six oh eight three two one thirteen ten. That's six
- 8:22oh eight three two one thirteen ten. Learn more about Class Financial on their
- 8:26website colss financial dot com that's coss Klaas Financial dot com and their telephone number
- 8:31six oh eight four four two five six three seven. So, CJ,
- 8:35what's the bottom line with this stuff? Yeah, bottom line is if you
- 8:39collect early, your payment will be reduced by as much as thirty percent from
- 8:43that full retirement age amount. So again solid security, if you views that
- 8:46as your unreduced benefit amount at your full retirement age. But if you draw
- 8:52early, you know, at sixty two, let's say, it could be
- 8:54reduced by about thirty percent. But if you wait and apply late, so
- 8:58think of this as that eight seventy amount, your payment goes up by as
- 9:01much as thirty two percent. And since those eight percent delayed retirement credits stop
- 9:07at age seventy, there's really no reason to wait beyond age seventy. So
- 9:11again, think of it as this window for retirement benefits between sixty two and
- 9:15seventy. Somewhere in the middle of that, at sixty six and some months
- 9:18or sixty seven is your full unreduced benefit amount. If I draw early,
- 9:22it's reduced. If I wait, I get like more than one hundred percent
- 9:26right one awight or one hundred and sixteen percent. So that is the concept,
- 9:30or that's the language that Social Security Administration uses to discuss this. Now
- 9:35some interesting statistics. Statistically speaking, you will receive roughly the same total dollar
- 9:43amount whether you start claiming at sixty two or seventy or any time in between.
- 9:48That is, assuming you live to average life expectancy. So here's the
- 9:50point. We hear this all the time. People go, oh, social
- 9:54Security wants you to wait because they know they're running out of money, and
- 9:58so they want you to wait to seventy. That's why they're giving you more
- 10:01money. Wrong. Wrong. As a matter of fact, statistically speaking,
- 10:05they could care less, because if you die at average American mortality, you
- 10:11will get exactly the same dollar amount whether you draw at sixty two or seventy.
- 10:16Now, interestingly enough, that's not to say that there's not strategy and
- 10:20when to draw relative to your longevity. Because if you know that everybody in
- 10:26your family lived way beyond average life expectancy and they lived at ninety to one
- 10:31hundred years old, well that's interesting because social Security may not care when you
- 10:35draw, but you do, because now you could wait to say age seventy,
- 10:41get that highest dollar amount, and then live long enough to be money
- 10:45way ahead because of the longevity in your family. Or let's say the opposite
- 10:48is true, and you retired at sixty two and everybody in your family didn't
- 10:52live beyond age seventy, Well, my goodness, you want to start that
- 10:56thing as soon as you can, especially if you have some sort of chronic
- 10:58illness. There are ways to make educated, smart decisions. But I will
- 11:03tell you when you talk to most most people, the main reason they are
- 11:07drawing social Security is because one they retired and they want the income. Two
- 11:13they're fearful that soci Security will run out of money, so they just you
- 11:16know, take the money and run kind of attitude. Or three because a
- 11:20friend or family member told them to. And what we would say is all
- 11:22of those are fine. They're may be just not the full scope of the
- 11:26considerations of what you should be looking at. So you know, as I
- 11:30end my section here and pass it off to Malia here in a moment,
- 11:33just would really encourage you. Social Security can be a big part of your
- 11:37future income stream, and so you do want to be aware of what your
- 11:41options are and kind of that ideal time for you to be drawn. These
- 11:43are important things to be planning on. Don't forget. As we talk with
- 11:46Cjmalia, phone lines are open for you. Love to get you on the
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- 12:09three two one thirteen ten to get on the air at six so eight four
- 12:11four two five six three seven to contact Loss Financial. And the reason I'm
- 12:16getting my phone numbers jumbled up a bit here. It's got a note from
- 12:18a call or didn't want to go on the air, but Jane from Madison
- 12:22called and said I wanted to know should you have federal withholding taken from your
- 12:28Social Security? And Jane called in and what do you want to go on
- 12:31the air? I understand that, but cj what's the what's the guidance there?
- 12:35Well, first off, Jane, thanks for submitting the question, and
- 12:39please others call in. We actually love it. Keeps us on our toes,
- 12:41makes us think proactively. And yes, this is a live recording.
- 12:45By the way, this does go out on the live air, So if
- 12:48you stump us then you can you know that's your claim to fame. Okay,
- 12:52Jane, great question, Should you have federal incomesax with held from your
- 12:54Social Security benefit. Absolutely, if you will owe federal income tax. So
- 13:01the amount of tax you owe on your soci security is driven by your total
- 13:05income, and there's a calculation that you can look at is called provisional income.
- 13:09But if you look at that total income between you know, pensions and
- 13:11Social Security and portfolio distributions and maybe part time working income, it will come
- 13:16up with some sort of you know, effective or marginal tax bracket that you're
- 13:20running into. We would focus on the effective, and then you can add
- 13:24a tax withholding. There's actually a form, I think it's called the w
- 13:28WP four form or something like that, but it's a Social Security Tax withholding
- 13:31form. It's readily available online if you just Google for it, and you
- 13:35can fill that out and easily add a tax withholding. Or for those of
- 13:39you who have an SSA dot gov log in, you can actually log in
- 13:41and write through your log in at a federal income tact withholding. So the
- 13:45answer is absolutely, but you need to know how much to be adding to
- 13:48that, and your accountant or advisor should be able to give you guidance.
- 13:52Fantastic question. You two can be like Jane loveda. Have you join us
- 13:56this morning. I can just pick up hone gifts call six so eight three
- 13:58two one thirteen ten. That's six oh eight three two one thirteen ten.
- 14:01Get you right on the air with our retirement planning professionals from Class Financial,
- 14:05CJ Class and Malia Quavis. The website coss Financial dot com. That's k
- 14:09l Aasfinancial dot com. Fantastic website to learn more about Class Financial. Also
- 14:15an opportunity to listen back to this in previous shows podcasts again all available to
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- 14:37We'll take your call next to also talk with Malia about some of the
- 14:39benefits in delaying your Social Security benefit with those details from Malia and take your
- 14:45call next. As Money in Motion with Class Financial continues here on thirteen ten.
- 14:48WIBA. This is Money in Motion with Class Financial, a fun and
- 14:56informative show designed to help you get answers to all your retire Ironman questions in
- 15:01one place. Our phone lines are open for you right now six oh eight
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- 15:07chatting with our retirement planning professionals from Class Financial, CJ. Closs and
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- 15:28this morning is six oh eight three two one thirteen ten. That's six oh
- 15:33eight three two one thirteen ten. Headed on over to the Dodge, Columbia
- 15:35County line and Pat from Randolph joins us this morning. Pat, welcome to
- 15:41the program. You're on the air with CJ. Closs and Malia Quavis.
- 15:45We have Pat. Oh we're not hearing from Pat. Pat was had a
- 15:50uh at a question about social security and other sources of income. Did we
- 15:54yes? Yes? She said that she has a uh some rental income and
- 16:00wants to work part time after she's retired. How does that affect your Social
- 16:04Security? Oh, another great question, Leave that to UCJ. Yeah,
- 16:08so real quickly, pat Well, great question. This is where that full
- 16:15retirement age date or age matters for you a lot. So as I mentioned
- 16:21for myself, based on my date of birth after nineteen sixty, my full
- 16:23retirement age is sixty seven. For some of our listeners that age could be
- 16:27sixty six and six months. It just depends on when you were born.
- 16:32But identifying that age is critical because if you're working and generating income before your
- 16:38full retirement age and you decide to what we call double dip. Right,
- 16:42the double dip is I'm not yet fully retired, I'm generating working income.
- 16:48It's active working income. So passive income from real estate rental income does not
- 16:52count towards us, by the way, But if you are generating active working
- 16:56income and drawing Social Security simultaneously, that's that double dip. Then social Security
- 17:03limits the amount of earnings you can have before they start taking back some of
- 17:07that Social Security benefit. Now they don't actually take it back and just steal
- 17:11it from you. They just it's a calculation that they put it out beyond
- 17:15your full retirement age. But the point being they're disincentivizing you to have active
- 17:21working income while also drawing Social Security before your full retirement age. Now,
- 17:26once you reach full retirement age, you can double dip all day long.
- 17:30So you could be say sixty seven years old, turn on your Social Security
- 17:34and have half a million dollars of working income. Soci Security doesn't care.
- 17:37It's between sixty two and your full retirement age. If you go to do
- 17:41that double dip, you got to be careful. And that number, by
- 17:45the way, is about twenty ish thousand dollars of working income. Once you
- 17:48go over that level, that's when they start taking benefits back from you.
- 17:52So great question. I love it. Great question, great calls this morning.
- 17:55Pat, Thank you so much. You two can be like Pat.
- 17:56Love to get you on the airpad as well as I else. I had
- 18:00heard from Jane this morning. Six eight three two one thirteen ten. That's
- 18:03six oh eight three two one thirteen ten. If you've got a question for
- 18:06CJ and Malia love to have you join us. And so Maliah, when
- 18:10we talk about some of the other benefits. There are some excuse me,
- 18:12some benefits to delaying your Social Security benefit, aren't there absolutely? So the
- 18:19first pro we'd like to point out is you're locking in a larger lifetime quotations,
- 18:26lifetime stream of income, which is really really important to understand that.
- 18:30It's probably the most obvious reason in favor of delaying, as CJ was explaining,
- 18:36but it goes beyond the higher monthly payment at the beginning. Most people
- 18:40think of that larger starting amount as the sole reason to delay, but it's
- 18:44not the biggest reason, which is that the delay leads to substantially higher monthly
- 18:49benefits in your eighties and nineties. So that's really a question mark for yourself,
- 18:55you know, does there's no guarantees, but does longevity run in my
- 18:59fan? Am I going to be here into my nineties and so forth?
- 19:03So that may be a reason to lock in that larger lifetime stream of income.
- 19:08CJ said, Social Security doesn't care. He's probably right about that.
- 19:12They really don't care when you decide to collect, but it is a personal
- 19:17decision. Hopefully when you'll sit down with your advisor and kind of try to
- 19:22map that out. The second pro is your benefit increases each year you delay,
- 19:26as CJ mentioned, up to eight percent per year when you postpone it
- 19:30beyond your full retirement age. We talk about this quite a bit on this
- 19:33show. Show us any other financial product out there that has a guaranteed eight
- 19:38percent annual return these days, and we'd love to see that because that doesn't
- 19:45really exist out there. So at this point, you know, for many
- 19:48of our listeners, this could be the right answer to allow that Social Security
- 19:52benefit to increase. So going on to our third item, which a pro
- 20:00your cola increases will be larger, so the cost of living adjustments and the
- 20:06longer you wait. So each year, the Social Security Administration obviously announces those
- 20:11around November, and that's the one figure all of our clients seem to know
- 20:15when they walk in for their reviews is oh, I know my Social Security
- 20:18is going up or it's staying the same. And this year the amount was
- 20:22an increase of three point two percent. So what we're looking at for a
- 20:27majority of folks out there, depending on where their monthly amounts lie, approximately
- 20:34fifty dollars a month or more is what they're going to see as an increase.
- 20:38So point being, you're going to see those compound over the years.
- 20:42So delaying Social Security benefits not only allows you to lock in a higher starting
- 20:47amount, but it increases over the years as well. So that's important to
- 20:52understand. Number four pro would be you can change your mind at any time.
- 20:57And we say this because people get mistaken and they go, well,
- 21:03I know I can collect it at sixty two, and I think sixty five
- 21:04and CJ's mentioned sixty seven. They get wrapped up in these numbers sometimes,
- 21:10And yes, you can't start it before sixty two unless there's extenuating circumstances.
- 21:15However, you can decide, you know what, I can do it at
- 21:19sixty two and a half or sixty three or sixty three in a few months.
- 21:23Again, you want to know what your full retirement age and how that's
- 21:26going to affect your benefit. But many people think there's like this deadline they
- 21:30have to pick up by a certain month and so forth. You just want
- 21:34to be careful you understand the implications. In fact, something interesting to know.
- 21:40Once you exceed your full retirement age, so you're beyond the FRA,
- 21:45you can elect to receive up to six months retroactive benefits in a lump sum
- 21:49so that's one of the concerns that people have sometimes is they might regret delaying
- 21:55Social Security benefits if suddenly they had a health donosis that wasn't favorable, or
- 22:00another circumstance that there could in fact be a situation where you could go retro.
- 22:06And then finally, we look at tax diversification as a pro While social
- 22:11Security does become taxable once your total income exceeds the annual limit, even at
- 22:17its highest inclusion in taxable income, only eighty five percent of that benefit is
- 22:22taxed. So what that means is if you delay Social Security while spending down
- 22:27say pre tax retirement accounts through your sixties, you'll likely also be reducing your
- 22:33future required minimum distributions your rmds, which we talk about quite a bit in
- 22:37the show, because rmds are going to be one hundred percent taxable. So
- 22:41perhaps replacing that income in your seventies and beyond with lower tax social Security benefits
- 22:48might make sense for your personal situation. So, again, as CJ mentioned,
- 22:52you know, figuring out what that perfect time to start receiving Social Security
- 22:57income is a per personal situation. Don't compare yourself to everybody else out there.
- 23:03You want to sit down and figure out what's best for you. Some
- 23:06fantastic benefits, some great options, but you want to make sure, as
- 23:08Malia points out, that you're weighing those options. Is a great data start
- 23:11that conversation. So we talk with CJ. Closs and Malia Quavis, our
- 23:15retirement planning professionals from Class Financial. You can give them a call six soh
- 23:18eight four four two five six three seven. That initial get to know your
- 23:22appoyment at co loss Financial. It will be complementary to you again their number
- 23:25six oh eight four four two five six three seven. The website coss financial
- 23:29dot com. That's k l Aasfinancial dot Com. We'll take it down the
- 23:33home stretch next with the class Quiz question Leak as well as Money in Motion
- 23:37with Coss Financial continues right here on thirteen ten WIBA. This is Money in
- 23:45Motion with Class Financial, a fun and informative show designed to help you get
- 23:49answers to all your retirement questions in one place. Chatting with our retirement planning
- 23:55professionals from Class Financial, CJ. Coss and Malia Equavis. They're telephone number
- 23:57six oh eight two five six three seven, no charge. That in you'll
- 24:02get to know you appoyment, tech, loss financial, it will be complimentary
- 24:04to you again. They're number six oh eight four four two, five,
- 24:07six three seven. Time really does fly in a great show this morning.
- 24:11If we have time flying just about four o'clock today will already be one percent
- 24:17through the year twenty twenty four. So we're already into the new year,
- 24:19well into the new year, so you want to make sure you're getting your
- 24:22ducks in a row. And as we as we wrap up this segment,
- 24:26we'll get to the class quiz question a week in just a moment. But
- 24:29talking this morning about some of the great benefits and some of the things to
- 24:33consider with Social Security, are there some reasons why you may not want to
- 24:38wait to begin that Social Security benefit? I'm still just trying to figure out
- 24:44how you came up with one percent through the year. So, wow,
- 24:48you are a super nerd sean a number of seconds in a leap year,
- 24:52and seriously, I get it, but too much time. But something to
- 24:59think of. It does fly, doesn't it? It is one percent through
- 25:03the new year. Time is slipping away. Yes, there would be some
- 25:07reason you may want to wait to collect your benefits, and we'll talk about
- 25:11some reasons why people choose to and then some and not all of them are
- 25:15good reasons, but they are reasons in and of themselves. So con number
- 25:21one to drawing your or waiting to draw your social security I should say would
- 25:26be the break even point is typically twelve to fourteen years away. So for
- 25:30a lot of people that are going, what are you talking about? Break
- 25:33even points is this simple concept of if I draw it, say sixty two
- 25:37the earliest I can, my monthly amount is lower. If I wait to
- 25:41seventy, my monthly amount is higher, but I'm eight years behind, right
- 25:47in that example of my former self. So you know, hey, the
- 25:51former self that drew at sixty two has eight years worth of income. So
- 25:53the question becomes, if I wait to age seventy, even though my monthly
- 25:56amount is more, I'm still much need behind in dollars. So how long
- 26:02does it take me to catch up? And so the answer is twelve to
- 26:03fourteen years, And so often people say I just don't want to wait that
- 26:08long. Now. Of course a next natural question comes into that, which
- 26:12is longevity, right, family history of longevity. But often people just don't
- 26:18want to be that patient. Another condu to waiting to draw your Social Security
- 26:23would be that. Some people tell us it's not just about the money,
- 26:27and we would agree with that. So again, assuming your health status and
- 26:30family history support if you live beyond age eighty two and you can afford to
- 26:37put off receiving those monthly payments, then delaying your benefits until age seventy could
- 26:42still It could could be a good idea, but it may cause you some
- 26:45anxiety of the unknown of what the health history might be in the future.
- 26:51So this idea of hey, waiting because of my grandparents' age and my parents'
- 26:57age makes makes mental sense, makes math sense, but in my heart,
- 27:03it gives me anxiety because I just don't know if that will happen, and
- 27:07all the meanwhile, I'm having to draw off my investments, which as the
- 27:11market goes up and down, can cause again anxiety because you're drawing down those
- 27:14investments or your savings account more rapidly. And we get that, so we
- 27:18would say, yeah, sure, we understand, because there is no guarantee
- 27:22this case. It's kind of like wrath accounts when people say to us,
- 27:23wroth irays are the best thing ever and everybody should save him to a roth
- 27:26iray, we say that's that is not a factual statement. That's a statement
- 27:33as an unknown statement about future circumstances. In a similar way, if somebody
- 27:37says to you, every American should draw a social Security at sixty two or
- 27:40sixty seven or seventy, that is not a factual statement because you would have
- 27:44to know the future to make a factual statement like that. And so ultimately
- 27:48all of us are just doing our best to what I call stack the deck
- 27:52in the favor of you, right who's going to draw? But the key
- 27:56is that a lack of knowledge drives and when fear enters the equation, what
- 28:02do people do? They draw at sixty two because they know no better.
- 28:06And so our job is to kind of work with people to come up with
- 28:07a more educated opinion about what they should do. Con Number three would be
- 28:14health issues and a fear of sudden death. This kind of is similar to
- 28:17con number two. Again, if you have chronic health conditions, draw sol
- 28:22security right away. Con Number four would be stock market fluctuations causing uncertainty in
- 28:26your portfolio. So if you think about this, let's say you retire at
- 28:30sixty five, so you have no more working income, you jump onto medicare
- 28:36and you wait to draw sold security because people like us are telling you to.
- 28:41And then you say, well, where am I going to get my
- 28:44income to live off of them? We say, you've got enough in your
- 28:45after tax investment account, go ahead and draw from there, and you start
- 28:49drawing in. About a year later, at sixty six, the market tanks
- 28:55and so now you're both drawing out of that account and the account is down
- 28:57due to bad market performance. This can be a mental challenge. You come
- 29:02back into your advisor's office and they say it's all okay, don't worry about
- 29:04it, and you go, well, thanks for telling me that, but
- 29:07I am worried about it because my accounts down fifteen percent and I just drew
- 29:11another ten percent for income. So at times the uncertainty of markets and fluctuations
- 29:18can draw people to just say I'm tired of this and they turn on soci
- 29:22security. But that is the beauty of what Malia just mentioned. You can
- 29:25always turn it on at any time. What we would just encourage people is
- 29:29don't just knee jerk react and turn it on, because for every month that
- 29:33you wait, you're getting an increase. And finally, con number five is
- 29:38the future of soci security is uncertain. Now, we would say this is
- 29:44not a great con because actually, if you understand Social Security Trust Fund,
- 29:48if you understand Congress, you understand voters and everybody who's living off of this.
- 29:55There are a lot of constituents that are interested in this thing not going
- 29:59bank reped. However, if you read your socialecurity statement, they will tell
- 30:03you we're not going to be able to continue paying benefits at the current level
- 30:07by about the year twenty thirty or twenty thirty two. And that's not that
- 30:10far away. And so people go, WHOA, that scares the heck out
- 30:12of me. And given that, I just want to draw it. And
- 30:15so you know that the conto waiting longer is the uncertainty of the future of
- 30:19social security. Now again, I just want to be clear before we finish
- 30:22this point. I don't think that's a reason to draw early, because there's
- 30:27a lot of reasons why we believe that day will never come where they stop
- 30:32paying socialecurity benefits. But we can't guarantee you that, So back to making
- 30:34factual statements. I don't know what the future holds. We just don't think
- 30:40that ever becomes a reality, but we understand when that becomes a driving force
- 30:44to drawing your benefit early. Absolutely fascinating stuff this week, as always from
- 30:48Aleia Quavis and CJ. Closs, our retirement planning professionals from Class Financial.
- 30:52The website class financial dot com that's klaas Financial dot com. Don't forget if
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- 32:22I check, I check every morning. And and Malia, I know
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