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HALF WAY MARK_ SEASON 2 DA CREW PODCAST _ EPISODE _82_ HOST SHANETTE W JOHNSON · DA CREW Podcast

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one and Let's talk about it? You good evening and welcome to another episode
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of Let's Talk About It. I am your host, Natt Johnson. Did
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you miss me because I missed you On today I'm gonna be breaking down some
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of the cases that I already have of the men that are have already talked
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to. Since we're at the halfway more so, grab your favorite drink,
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get comfortable, and let's get ready to talk. I see miss Angela is
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my co host on a on the line? Is he joining me? Hello?
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Yeah, well I don't here. I can hear that. Hello,
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Yes, ma'am, I'm here, ma'am. How are you doing? Okay?
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I'm ready? We live And I was like, boy, he got
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me up under the water. But we're gonna talk when we get off the
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when we come off the air. So Angela, uh, you ready.
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Let's well, let's get ready and talk. I want what I want to
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do this evening is breakdown Wan's case. Angela, can you load the first
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slide for me? Please? Okay? Juan Johnson is my husband. He
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is currently incarcerated on a wrongful conviction, well, let's say a lawful conviction
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in the state of Denver, Colorado. He been incarcerated for the last fourteen
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years. His sentencing was life without the possibility for something that he didn't can
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do, didn't do. Can you slide to the second slide please? Colorado
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felay murder rule. I'm going to I'm gonna show you the first They just
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revised the felony murdered statue, I want to say last year, and it's
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not rectroactive. They only revised when they revised it last year. It's only
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for the ones that been convicted of felony murder, as I believe September it
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was either the twenty twenty twenty one or last year. Second slight, Please
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okay. With the first felony murder statue, it was a class one felony.
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When they revised it, they turned that they revised it to a class
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two felony with the same underlying components. In order for them to prove felony
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murder, it has to have an underlying conviction of underlying felony such as arson,
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robbery, berkeley, kidnapping, sexual assault. Those would be your underlying
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felonies in order to get felony murdered. Next slide, please this like this
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right here is one's charging document. I know you can barely see it,
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but I'm gonna just let you know what it is. He was charged with
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first degree murder after delibery after deliberation, then he was charged with felony murder,
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the first count of first degree murder after deliberation. Wine was acquitted for
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the second one, which was the felony murder they found him guilty on.
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They only found him guilty on it because the judge said that the word robbery
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was enough that they didn't give him the chance to defend against robbery. He
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was not charged with robbery. And this you know, if I would have
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did it bigger, you would have seen that they didn't charge him with nothing
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but two council murder, in which the court said that them two like are
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not separate. So if once the felt once the first murdered charge was won
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the way, then he was supposed to walk out the court room. But
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since the d a prosecutor mentioned the word robbery, that's what got next slide.
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Please, these documents right here are that one one to my right to
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your left is the it's the jury sentence, the what the the judge had
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read to the to the jury, the jury instruction, and this jury instruction.
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This one is for robbery. My wine did not he was not able
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to defend against robbery. He was not charged with robbery. But in this
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charging document, in this instruction to the jury, it has the the witness
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name in it. And the other one to your left, well to my
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left to your right is part of the charging document. In that one,
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it has the victim name in it. It does not have the witness name
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in it. When the witness was on the stand, the witness said,
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Wyan Johnson did not rob me. But when the judge gave the instruction,
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the judge put the witness name in there. That's kind of crazy. How
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can you convict someone of a felony murder without the underlying felony, and that's
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your law. You have to have a felony to go for along with that
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the murder charge in order to get felony murder, and the prosecutor had to
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prove that it was a felony that was taking place when that homicide occurk you
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didn't give him a chance to defend against that. You didn't charge him for
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it. Next, like please Angela, these documents right here. One is
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for simple robbery. The simple robbery would be to my left, to your
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right. When in trial Win stated that they was they said the robbery was
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aggravated. But with the jury instruction, the jury the judge gave instruction on
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simple robbery. The document to your right, to my right, to your
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left is an instruction on complicity when I just found that on today and Asma
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and Wine was going over his going over the papers, going over looking through
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his transcripts and stuff, and I asked him about that and he was like
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what. I said, yes, and he said that's a another like elementary,
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he said something to that effect. And I said, well, it
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was here and he was like no, I said, yeah, it is,
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it's here and he said well, and I asked him to explain it
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to me, and he told me that what that is is that when someone
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else is with you and you guys are arrested together, that's what they mean
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by complicity. So I was like, okay, I said, but when
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you was arrested, did anybody arrest was anybody else arrested? No? Was
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anybody else charged? No? So how do they get how do she get
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to put complicity into your instruction? How can they charge you with this?
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So now they don't charge you with robbery, which the witness said that you
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didn't commit. Then they put this document in there. H let's go over
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to my co post my and talk to him on this coordinator. Are you
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there, yes, ma'am. I am here, ma'am. And you know,
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just listening to this situation right here, ma'am. It's a lot of
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holes in this situation. First of all, uh, he got life with
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our paroles the only way he can get life with our PAROLEA. This,
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this is a capital offense, man, This is not a capital offense.
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First of all, while because you had murder and telling the murder count one
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and count two, okay, So murder is a high degree offense. Selling
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the murder is classified as an element of murder, which is in the same
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category or capital murder murder or any fellamy murder, now any other offense,
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aggravated Robbie kidnapping, all these other elements are aggravating factors that if you commit
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one of them crimes, that's a capital to offense. That's why he got
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in life with our parole. But the issue is that his charge is not
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a capital offense. Therefore his verdict for him is no good. He's his
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conviction is boy, Why because the offense is disproportionate to the to the sentems.
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That's number one. Number two is his jury charge got elements of simple
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robbery and they don't have the elements of aggravated robbery. And these issues in
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the Jimmy charges boi. Why because if you find from the evidence beyond a
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reasonable doubt, then you can find him guilty. Well, if robbery was
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never an indictment, then he can't. The jury can't be instructed to find
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him guilty for aggravated robbery or any other robbery. Why because he was never
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indicted for it. That's what's elevating the office to a capital offense, a
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guvating factor. So now because he was never charged with it, nor to
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have the right to defend against it, it cannot be a judge charge added
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it and to the we call an applicational paragraph, and too the Jimmy charge,
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the jim is being misin for him to fire him guilty. Not only
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that under the complexity which is the law party here in Texas, if they're
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saying that he ate a bed and assisted somebody else, and that's different,
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then therefore he got two or three fall partners with him. But if there's
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no fall fightons, then they added it to misinformation to the Jimmy charge that
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for the witness that he never loved them. Guess what, there's no evidence
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whatsoever to fire him guilty. Therefore, the issue in the Jimmy charges voted
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that he created his home in the jermy charge. So I don't know what
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he raised on direct appeal the attorney should have raised well, but you know
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the judge said. The judge said, just because the word robbery was mentioned,
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that was good enough. That was good enough. That's what the judges
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said. Okay, ma'am, mine is here. No person shall be convicted
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of a crime except u from the presentment of a grand Juni's indictment number one.
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Why don't we had its own statue? Murder has its own status.
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Kidnapped to have their own status, you have to be indicted by statue in
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order to be able to be convicted based upon any offense in the United States,
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And like I say, aggravated robbery is an element before. If you
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commit aggravated robbery, and of course if you commit murder and the course of
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committing aggravated robbery, then that's a capital offense. That's under nine. That's
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the high pegree office you can get in the United States. But if this,
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and not only that, the state didn't even waive the death penmantee off
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the table. Why because life with so there for it was going on capital
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punishment. So with that being telling me, murder is just the last including
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office with a different U states in Man. That's what that is because you
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know they got two different minal states and tile and normally well you got recklessly
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well, you know, the his first his first trial was a miss trial.
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It was the first trial was a mistrial because the one of the jury
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when they pulled the jury, the juror said that it wasn't no evidence proven
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that he was guilty of the charge. The pros the prosecution didn't prove beyond
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the reason to move doubt that this happened. So it was a miss trial.
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Then they go into the second trial, which they get this verdict.
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But before that, you know, the jury was changing because the day of
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day, the day they was picking the jury, the they had a memorial
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on the out on the outside of the courts. Okay, So the first
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trial was a miss trial. The first trial was while because they could not
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be capital the elements of the offense number one, number two, the evidence
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was a sufficient to tour beyond the regional doubt that he committed it Downfore,
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if you have a mistrial in the first frial, the state had to come
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back and either reindict him or see him to another jury. So now you
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take him to a second jury. Now mind yourself the evidence that was presented
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to the jury charge and the third trial they say not guilt. So with
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that, what what lesson included offenses were included into the Jimmy Chard? Did
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they have selling they murder in there? Because if they had sellering the murder
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in there, and the jury came back with a ment trial saying that they
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concerned them pard to tell you to the greater mother less included than how is
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it logically possible now that in the second frial is coming back with selling any
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murder, with murder and selling any murder? What happened to the capital elements?
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He got life without parole. Man, that's gods with capital of murder,
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not less included offensive murder. The only one can com murder is a
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jurist, not for judge. The tellers don't have no discretion. So that's
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what capital punishment is about. But if you got murder with telling the murder
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at the bottom of that, that's just the murder indictment. That's five ninety
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nine. The life, not life without parole. No for his is no
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comence for you because the offense charge is disapportionate to the centem. I mean,
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I'm surprised it ain't Nobody even said nothing about that penitential like that.
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Well you know his simmo. Well, you know, don't nobody want to
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touch them cases. It's it's always money involved, you know. If they
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don't go in, if you don't go in with a paid attorney, nine
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times out of ten, you you may be doing time. You you may
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be doing you may be going to prison for something that you didn't commit.
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You know, do just like just like Camp. Glenn kemp I talked to
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him. Glenn kimp is the the one that six month old baby died.
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Son died when his child's mother she wanted to go out, party in and
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stuff. So what she would do she would give the baby night quill and
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she would put it in his bottle and with along with food and lock them
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in the bedroom along with the rest of the siblings. Well, he had
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went to work this day and he gets the phone call saying that his six
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month old child is had died. So he he goes home. He says
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he sees the baby laying in the living room. You know, deceeas the
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child's mother. I guess they get into a little tuss or whatever. He
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take us to the emergency room, and you know, the the the said
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she was okay, wasn't nothing wrong with her and stuff. So they go
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back and I guess Chargers will filed somehow he was arrested. He hadn't been
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convicted of or any or in any trouble in like twenty something years. So
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he gets convicted of um, I guess for kidnapping. Said they said that
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he kidnapped her. He said that, they said that there he forced his
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self on her in you know, with his I have his paperwork here as
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well. I looked at his jury when they pulled the jury. When the
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jury said guilty or not, he had two not guilty on his serious crimes.
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They found him not guilty, but they found him guilty on a lesser
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crime. But what the judge did was ad enhancements on to the on to
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the different charges and mister Glenn Kemp was sentenced with life with the possibility of
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parole. But they also added on one hundred and ninety two years to run
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concurrent. So you're telling me how you want to do that. No,
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Chargers was brought up against the child's mother. Mother child's mother never served any
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time. She passed away, probably about seven years ago of cancer. His
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children were adopted out. So now he's in prison. He's been in prison
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for twenty six years. His mom and dad passed. All his siblings has
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passed since he been in prison, so it's just him left. Last week
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he was going through his paperwork. He found out the charge that he was
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convicted of only carries a four to six year sentence four to six year sentence,
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but the judge sentenced him to life with the possibility plus one hundred and
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ninety two years to run concurrence. How does that happen? You don't gave
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this man done. Gave the state of Colorado twenty two years of his life
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on a four to six year sentence. Okay, okay, the initial offense
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is two to six years. Man four to six years. Okay, that's
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endangerment of a child. I guess that's more likely what that was. Okay.
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In art for them to upgrade any offense of an enhancement, they have
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to use enhancements one or two enhancements with changes the punishment range. The country
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range in that case is initially four to six So if they enhance him.
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It might start at eight to twin them if they enhance him from Dad might
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start at twenty to the light or whatever. Okay, So now you're saying
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that the judge use some enhancements attached to the initial offense and then ran some
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other cases concurrent with that case. Okay. The issue now was that if
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he was basically enhanced with offenses, they have to return that those enhancements can
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be used, whether or not those enhancements or final convictions or not. If
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those enhancements or final convictions they can't use them can enhance this initial offense from
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four to six. Therefore, those enhancements being no good would make his conviction
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going. Therefore, the judge is a fusing his dispression Bottle. I wouldn't
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the state to use these enhancements to upgrade his offense from four to six,
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which is like they say life and child endangerment because they can't prove that he
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intensively and normally. You know what I'm saying called the death of the victim.
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Wow, because of negligi and homicide. That's what life and James chlidays.
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He wasn't trying to do it. No, But in Glenn Kimp's case,
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it wasn't no homicide. Now, homicide came on his child's mother.
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He was the one that overdose the child on night. Well he was going
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to work. Okay, Okay, but Andy, he wasn't aware of what
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was going on that you know, someone told him what what was going on
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while he was at work. Okay, So again, cupleable mintal state.
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In order to convict anybody in the United States, you got to have a
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coupable minial state man intentionally and normally as a coupable mini state, reckless conduct
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means that Okay, well I did. I gave it a child for Mike.
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Well, okay, well I went to work and the child died or
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I had some type of episode. Okay, well that's not intentional because I
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wasn't intentionally doing it. I was giving it to him because the child was
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sick. That's just like a guy with a rape case. A guy with
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a rape case. He said he was sleep, but he kept touching this
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lacuno, she said, But every time he would touch her, he was
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sleep. So therefore, to tell say he didn't have the cupable minial state
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to know exactly what he was doing. So in both of the cases you
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just described, ma'am, there's no cupable mindal state not for capital mond number
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one for him to have life without paroles. And then number two in this
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other guy's case because of them Hanson's paragraph, that's a reckless conduct offine.
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So really, ma'am, you know both of these cases have holes in them
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that you know. One's case number one, he can follow a motion right
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now for a boyd judgment. Wow, because the sentence is disproportionate to the
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offense charge. That's automatic release right there for him. He can't be in
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prison like that. And then the other guy he can file for a new
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te because if they have to determine its whether or not the enhancement allegations or
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a final and if they were not final, they have to that's a boy
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judgment. So fucking occasions are related to a boy judgment now, which means
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that they shouldn't even be and you can raise them at any time. So
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I don't know what. I don't know what the brother guy, uh,
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I'm I'm gonna find out and I I will let you know. I'm gonna
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do this last case because then I want to talk about old Texas. What's
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going over there in Texas, real quick before we lose time. So Christopher
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Thomas, Yeah, Christopher Thomas. He was a young man. He was
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a juvenile when I believe he was a juvenile when he got sentenced. Christopher
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was sentenced to life. I forgot how many more you I think it was
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like eighty two years. The ron concurrent with his and what he's exalted all
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his appeals is the courts closed on him. He has no more appeals.
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What that happened in his case was that him and this young man kept getting
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into it. So the young man called Christopher's house and threatening his father said
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that you know, hey, when I see your son, I'm gonna do
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this to him, and stuff like that. So following that night, the
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young man came over there and he shot up Christopher's house. Then he came
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back the next day and shot up the house again, and this time his
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stepmom was almost injured in the process of the house getting shut up. So
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we're going to go Christopher. They had a little altercation at the at the
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mall in Denver, and the guy girlfriend broke him up. Told them,
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well, you go your way, and he goes his way. So while
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Christopher walked walking through the food court. The guy charged at and ran up
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the stairs, was coming at him, you know, and Christopher pulls out
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his weapon and he returned. He's he had turned, you know, protected
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hisself. I always look at it like it was kind of self defense because
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some you know, you don't got You don't came, You don't threaten my
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father. You don't threaten me because you call my father. Then you don't
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came, and you don't shot up my house twice now in the mall,
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and now you're running up the stairs like you know, you like you offense
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to do something to me. Christopher not once denied or played down his his
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role. He took responsibility for his action. He also had written the book,
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in which ten percent of the proceed goes into a nonprofit for in the
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young lady's name. It's also in the guy's name that he got into it
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with. So what is your thoughts on that? Okay, First of all,
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this is called judition and partiality. Why is it calledge judition of partiality?
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Why? Because they took self defense off the table for this guy.
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Now true enough, Okay, he could have called the cops. I don't
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know if they call the cops in the process of this guy shooting up the
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house and you know, made reports for the police to go and arrest this
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other guy. Okay, but self defense was a defense for Christopher, and
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for the course to allow Christopher to be compecting maut of fact, not even
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that to even allow him to be charged with any offense outside of being granted
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a justification or self defense by the god charging at him. That's called traditional
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partiality. Man, how does the judge allow that to happen? So with
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that being said, Christopher should come back and raise an issue of judicitional partiality,
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of bosness of the jelage who allow him to do that? Not only
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that the process, the office which all the course is closed. He can't
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go. He had to have new evidence to go back, go back to
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court. You don't have the courses closes. Okay, let me call you
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back. Let me call you back, and I'll tell you this is groeling
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or or black men and women. You get a really good hourly or something.
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I don't know. Aren't you making enough money to faith? I funk
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n to you clock out? I'm sorry, yep, this is what our
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young men and young women's are facing. Statistics show that the black men serve
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more time on a wrongful conviction than any other ethnic groups, any other ethnic
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groups, even if the Innocent Project come in. The Innocent Project is a
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group of students that are in school for law. They only review these cases
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for an hour a day, and then when they go on break or they
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graduate, then a new group of people come, a new group come in
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and look over these men and women cases. That's where Wine is at now.
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The Innocent Innocent Project is looking at his case, and also the Viction
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comview Board is also looking into his case. To me, looking at these
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men's cases, hearing them talk, they don't have nothing to hide there.
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Each each one of them was wide open with me. They sent me their
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their transcripts, They talked to me and everything. When I got ready to
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talk to my next one, Damon Davis, he was sentenced to life to
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run concurrent with an extra four hundred and eighty years. So you tell me,
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so we're gonna you don't sentence this man to do life and and plus
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a four hundred and eighty years on top of a life sentence. That that
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that right there is ridiculous. And these are for crimes that they did not
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commit They did not commit these crimes. So why are we not standing up?
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Why and you know, letting this happen? These are are These are
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our fathers, our children, fathers are our brothers, our uncles, our
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you know, why is this? Why are we as a people allowing this
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to happen? Why? You know, we we went they we did,
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our ancestors dealt with this during the slavery, same thing. I went to
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visit why when it was snowing, snow was coming, that snow was coming
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down, and as I was walking through, I heard all these chains and
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I'm looking around like, well, you know, what did you at?
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So I look to the right and I see these men's they standing outside in
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the little green suits and stuff. Where's they jackets at? They don't have
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not one jacket on and it's snowing. But you go out there chaining these
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men's up. You're not chaining them up around the neck like you changed our
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ancestors. You don't drop it down to their waist, and you're changing their
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hands and you're changing their feet. I don't know what they did, but
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just the mirror thoughts saying you do that to these men and they're out in
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the snow without no jacket on. You know why some white people getting sick
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in prison because of that. And then when I go inside, I asked
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why, I said, Hey, they don't move y'all with jackets on.
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If you know it's cold, it's snowing out there. Here's like, no,
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we don't have we don't. You know, we have jackets on inside
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when we walk in through here, but when we're going out, going to
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court and all of this, we don't have no jackets on. Mh.
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You know, it's a shame. My son was in prison. I was,
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you know, I was there because he had a heart condition. You
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know, we would call the prison if he got sick. You know,
37:30
even if he can call me and say, Mama, they're not giving me
37:35
my medicine. Mama this you know, I got fluid on me. I
37:39
would call the prison, or I would call my mother. My mother would
37:43
call my auntie. My auntie would call up to the prison. We have
37:51
to do better, even though you know some of them are guilty of what
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they did. They need to be in and okay, go ahead, co
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host, Okay, Yeah, there's the differences in our traditional system. Man
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Avid Devauney, who was a book writer. She made a differences in our
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traditional system. There's one for blacks and there's one for white Now, the
38:25
scenario with the cristification is this, if that would have been a white man,
38:30
I don't know what Christopher's race is. The nationality is now. First
38:32
of all, that was been a white man man. Okay, if that
38:39
would have been a white man who killed a black man, guess what he
38:43
would have got. He would have got self defense, he would have got
38:45
justifiable homicide, just able, whatever the situation may be. Why because that's
38:52
a white man committing a crime against the African Americans. But if African Americans
38:57
committing the crime against the white individual or another African American in the same scenario,
39:04
that is going to be murder or aggravated assault. Why because the District
39:08
Attorney's office is presenting a case against the African Americans based upon the classification of
39:15
danger. So now the issue in Christopher cas is what information must resented to
39:22
his grand jury for them to not grant him self defense. So now mister
39:27
Christopher got the options to go and request for access to the minutes of his
39:30
grand jury, and he has to show a special need why he's making that
39:36
request, and if he can see that in his request for the minutes of
39:39
the grand jury information process with the secrets, then he can find out that
39:45
the police protect is presented and some information ends up making him the aggressor in
39:51
the offense, which is why they indicted at him Antis the case forward,
39:58
because that's not making no surfaces. Got charged at Crystal Plan, then Christmas
40:01
shot him, or whatever the situation might have been. But still again,
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we have two different types of judicial systems, man, and this is where
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the problem is that we seven the woman on blacks to whites in our prison
40:15
systems in the United States. So with that being said, madam, yes,
40:20
ma'am, we have judicial impartuality. We have corruption, we have bribe,
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we have da favoritism JUS donation campaign, whites being black men condicted by
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all white jewelry. We have a messed up judicial system, man, and
40:31
we don't have nobody here to fix these problems. Missus Angela pointed out that
40:38
over in Dallas they said that only one percent, a single digit number of
40:43
people turned out to vote because up the road like that, ma'am, this
40:47
is the problem with our judicial system. Our voices are not being heard.
40:52
We are not trying to vote. The people will now don't need to be
40:54
out in order to fix our criminal testice systems. And now, and since
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you mentioned that it's in one of your county that has a high rate of
41:08
problems within the prison system, Tarrant County is the county that this has taking
41:14
place in. You have the president of the Black Lawyers Alliance. This man
41:22
stood up and said that at the meeting at our meet and Greek, we
41:28
had community leaders that came out in in in Fort Worth, we had and
41:32
the city councilman was there, so we we had the community in the building.
41:37
So it's not like these people don't know. It was brought to their
41:42
attention. Shannett even spoke with the president of the the Black Lawyers Alliance,
41:52
but he stood up and he said that he said, until we get people
41:54
to voice their their their their concerns through voting, he said, as long
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as we got single digits showing up. And that's not the only county.
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But I hear what's going on in Trent County, all of the stuff that's
42:08
happening in that prison over there. You know, people losing their lives.
42:14
You know, they had a case not too long ago. I'm talking about
42:17
like within weeks ago when someone else lost their life. But when you got
42:22
single digits, that means less than ten people showing up to vote. And
42:25
and I don't know what the population is there, but I'm sure it's of
42:30
some numbers for to be of concern like that. And then that's not the
42:36
only I'm sure that's not the only county. But when you as long as
42:40
we continue to have that, you're gonna continue to have the same issues that
42:44
you have going forth right now because nobody is nobody is standing up and doing
42:52
what they're supposed to do. You don't even go and sit down at these
42:54
these county council of medienc these city counties. You don't even know who's in
42:59
office mm hmm. People don't even know who's an officer, who's who's who's
43:04
who is governing what is going on? Like a lot a lot of people
43:09
here in South Carolina don't even realize what's finna take place here in South Carolina.
43:14
And a lot of people if if you are someone that get in trouble,
43:16
you're someone that may be on the other end of the law. You
43:22
may be in trouble if you get in trouble here in South Carolina because here
43:27
in a little while, we're finna have an all white male Supreme Court,
43:34
all white male Supreme Court. Now, how is that gonna be fair to
43:38
anybody? Not gonna be You're you're not gonna be fairly represented. But that
43:45
is what's happening, and that's what's going on behind closed doors. And that's
43:50
what's going on. When you don't go out and you don't voice your your
43:53
your opinion through vote, this is what happens, and it's gonna continue to
43:58
happen. Okay, well oriacally, we spoke about a petition, okay,
44:04
and because we the people of the United States, we have a voice.
44:08
And what we can do under these circumstances now, in my opinion, is
44:14
to sign a petition. If we can get a million people to vote this
44:16
guy. With the signatures, we can go this guide office because we're saying
44:21
that we do not want this guard office because he's not performing his duties,
44:25
the duties that she's to uphold. So so with that being said, ma'am,
44:30
I know that if we can create a petition in any state, it
44:35
doesn't matter what state it is, and get people to sign on. We
44:38
got computer systems now, I know if we can make a if we can
44:42
get a stay shutter till the morning, we can sign on a petition to
44:47
get as many signatures that we need in order to vote these people out off.
44:52
Well, that's still up that that part is to debate because a lot
44:57
of people do not believe that there's ever been a a true mission to the
45:02
moon because there's no way to get outside of the plane that we live in
45:07
here on Earth. And if that is correct, then all that is a
45:10
it's just a whole bunch of propaganda and a whole bunch of lives. So
45:15
that that is still up for. But with with advancements in the the innovations
45:21
that we do have in technology, it is that it is a lot easier
45:25
for us to get out because you think about back in the day when when
45:30
when these leaders, when these these civil rights leaders and all these people,
45:34
they didn't have all the means and the assets that we have now, but
45:37
they were reaching millions that they were reaching millions and millions of people around this
45:43
us to come together. So the things that those people did are the things
45:46
that we may need to get back to doing, because that is what made
45:52
a difference. Let me ask you this question. Since you you brung up
45:57
the civil rights leaders, what are they doing for? What are they doing
46:05
now? They they to me what I look at, they're not really doing
46:08
too much or nothing. They wait till things hit the news. Then that's
46:13
when you see them come out because they get their names attached to I'm not
46:19
gonna say all civil rights because you if you out here advocating and you out
46:24
here being a voice, and you're out here speaking up for human rights and
46:28
for rights of whatever humanity or whatever the case may be, then you are
46:32
a civil rights activist, you are a civil rights person too. So in
46:40
that case, I will say, well, what are we individually doing?
46:45
You know, everybody got to look at themselves and see what they're doing.
46:50
What what are you doing to make a difference? Well, we have all
46:55
those that are in the in the spotlight, the the ones that are.
47:02
But those are the ones that you you you hear the words spotlight. If
47:07
it's not in the spotlight and bringing spotlight, why else would they take it
47:12
because it's not in the spotlight. Those what you call them cloud chasers mm
47:16
hmm. But again the true ground, those those that are are out here
47:24
beating the pavement and and and knocking down the doors, making the phone calls,
47:30
writing in the magazines, putting out the books, and and doing all
47:34
of these things. These these are the people that are truly your civil rights
47:37
activists. All these you you're you're you're talking about the like that that the
47:45
n W a c P. You're talking about being crump, you're talking about
47:50
all them other people, all those people, mister Cornell X, and all
47:58
of those those people are child players. Those people they won't fame that.
48:01
They want money and fortune. That's what they want because if they didn't,
48:06
they would be doing something about it this point blank period and ain't nowhere around
48:09
it. We can try to simplify, we can try to take up for
48:13
them, we can try to do whatever we want, but there's no way
48:15
around it. Either you gonna do it, are you not gonna do it?
48:20
Those are the two different that's the only options. There's no in between.
48:23
Either you for it or you nothing. Okay, Well mind yourself this.
48:29
I've I've been a player with the Cool Podcast for over a year,
48:32
so ma'am, and I have learned the powers of the Cool Podcast. This
48:37
platform here Atlamta's national This is not a local platform. Therefore, I have
48:42
witnessed the boyce that the cool podcasts have and the power of the host on
48:45
the cool podcast. So here, I am lam I can say this here.
48:50
The one thing I can say is that the cool podcast y'all are power.
48:55
And if we taken and make some type of initiations to all these individuals
49:00
out to put them on the spot of what they're not doing, yeh,
49:05
I'm quite sure, ma'am. Guess what they would defend themselves against. Well,
49:07
you know, and not only would they defend themselves, ma'am, we
49:10
would be able to get voices you know what I'm saying, to engage anything
49:14
to the fact that these people are not worting nothing but money being crumbed.
49:17
We will not even look at the case. Well, they will aware they
49:25
in a lot. They have been hashtagged. They their names have been tagged
49:30
in a lot, along with your governor, along with your cricket attorney general,
49:35
along with your news reporters, case news reporter, hernandez, all those
49:40
people that that that that speak these good games but then won't come forth with
49:44
nothing. Yeah, all of them have been put on last they've been.
49:47
They've been all in the magazine, they've been all on the blocks, they've
49:51
been all on on on on YouTube, they've been on all of that because
49:54
see, what we ain't gonna do, what we ain't gonna do is hide
49:59
behind these platforms. That's what we're not gonna do. See, we don't
50:02
hide behind the platforms. We come from behind the platforms and we're gonna call
50:06
you on the phone and see when you try to tell lives with what we
50:08
do is see we go live so people can hear the conversation, so they
50:12
can see what's going on, so people can't say this was so he says,
50:15
she kicked conversation because you're gonna see it. You're gonna hear it out
50:16
front. Because I had a situation where Senio San Antonio Food Bank and the
50:23
the t d c J Office of Inspector General, they had conflict and resolutions
50:30
for what they said was the solution to a problem, which were we come
50:35
to find out, was a whole bunch of lives. And I was able
50:37
to capture that on a live See. One thing people ain't gonna do is
50:40
play with me. That's one thing you ain't gonna do, because see you
50:44
got to wake up early in the morning to pull one on me. That
50:47
that's one thing you got to do. And we're not we're not having and
50:52
were bringing forth and we're showing everything. We posting, we got a blog,
50:55
we got the Free Texas campaign, which is now the the Free US
51:00
campaign, because we're not just focused on Texas the more because there's other people
51:05
that are going through the same thing that the people in Texas is going through.
51:09
So we are voice for all those that are unlawfully, wrongfully and overly
51:15
incarcerated. Because people don't understand the severity of this and how many people are
51:22
behind prison walls that should not be behind prison wall. See, what need
51:24
to happen is all these people that have plotted, planned, and and and
51:30
self and followed through with these actions. These are the people that need to
51:34
be helped accountable. These these these these public defenders that went on to became
51:37
assistant district attorneys, that came district attorneys, and then they went on and
51:42
got on the appeal the appeal court. They need to be held accountable because
51:49
these are the people that have been running these prisons and have been running these
51:53
people's fate in their hand. They've had these people faith in their hand because
51:57
guess what, the people that they're putting in prison are the same peopleople that
52:00
they got to go up before in order to be able to get out.
52:05
And that's not right nowhere is that right? And then you tell me that
52:08
you want to have me convicted by a group of my peers. When I
52:14
go into the courtroom, you see everybody that don't look like you got all
52:16
these white people and I'm black. How how is this a group of my
52:21
peers? And how is the old you got people old? You got old
52:25
white people on the panel. But this is a group of my peers.
52:30
And then the judge say they can be it, they can be impartial.
52:32
Who you to tell somebody that they can be impartial, that they can do
52:37
You can't. There's no way that you can. There's no way that you
52:40
can put you can say what you want, and these people still gonna feel
52:44
how they want to feel. So I think that a lot of people have
52:47
have abused their power. They have taken these opportunities to gain benefits for themselves.
52:55
A lot of these people have utilized these offices to gain monetary to gain
53:04
monetarily, to to to move up financially, move up socially, and to
53:08
move up the corporate America. That's that's what these people have done. And
53:13
not only have they done it, they set it up to where they getting
53:17
their nephews, their nieces, their cousins, they brought them, their uncles
53:22
whoever, they bringing them in too. Because when you get in these positions,
53:27
a lot of these positions, when you get in these different positions,
53:29
you can bring people in, say when you when you get in these congress
53:34
offices and you get in these different offices, then you can bring people in
53:37
to work for you. You can bring your family in to to to be
53:39
your secretary, to be your whatever whatever. And then once they get in
53:44
and start learning the ropes, then they want to say they decide they want
53:46
to run for office, then that is running for office. And and that's
53:50
how it starts. But you don't see you don't see us, You don't
53:57
see us represented nowhere in that. And then you look at and I'm telling
54:01
y'all, if y'all want to see some examples of really what is going on
54:06
within the prison system, our book just dropped on June the first, and
54:10
it shows you some of these same individuals that we're talking about their cases.
54:17
It breaks down a little bit about their case. It tells you how they
54:22
got there, and then it tells you some of the discrepancies, and then
54:25
you look just just look at what's being presented. And not only that,
54:30
we talk about the starting of these private prisons. See, people don't understand
54:37
that a lot of this mask incarceration, a lot of this stuff did not
54:40
start until the early eighties. Nineteen eighty three was the first time that a
54:47
private prison was open. I was seven years old. They opened up private
54:53
prison, did two high school college students. They got another friend. And
55:00
the thing about it is they had Bill Gates and the Gate Foundation funded two
55:07
point two million dollars. You had vander Belt University and Vanderbilt Hospital. So
55:15
why you got these people back in it like that? But these people believed
55:19
because these folks said they had something that would relieve the overcrowding in the prison
55:23
system and they could make money. Where they lost focused on the relieving and
55:29
the helping of the prison system, and they focused on the money, and
55:34
it got out of hand and it became in a corporation, it became an
55:38
industry, and it became a trillion dollar industry, and then not only did
55:45
they effect, they started capitalizing and getting corporations involved. You look at a
55:50
lot of these corporations that are funding these prison systems, that have stuff that
55:54
is funded through these prison systems. You talk about McDonald's, you talk about
56:00
our books, you talk about Walmart, you talk about these these mattress companies.
56:07
All these things are being made in the prison system, and a lot
56:09
of people don't have no idea that a lot of the stuff that that they
56:14
are consuming, a lot of the stuff that they are wearing, the beds
56:17
that they're sleeping in, is being made right there in those being made by
56:22
those people with with for free, being made by those people for free.
56:28
And those are the true facts. There's nothing. There's nothing, and you
56:30
can go you can read the book and then we have links inside there where
56:36
you can take those. You can go and you can follow those facts.
56:38
You can fact check it, you can go behind us and you can check
56:42
it. That's that, that's what we're doing. We highlight all of this
56:45
stuff and sugar coars. We got, we got, we got four minutes
56:53
to go. Cornell, did you have something to say before our clothes out?
57:00
Well, guess ma'am, speaking of all the issues that's involved within you
57:06
know, the cminar justice system and our congressmen's and statement of the elected officials.
57:09
Okay, we got what we call the first step back, which was
57:13
enacted by Congress. Right now, the first step tack is a top a
57:15
hot collic. So all of these issues that we're talking about, we should
57:21
add these issues that took the first step step back, which is enacted by
57:24
Congress, and that Congress be the ones to be able to address whether or
57:29
not these same issues that we're talking about massacres. Well, now that you
57:32
say that that is in the newspaper, that's something that's being in the news
57:37
right now because I forget which one of the presidents enacted it to something.
57:40
Trump had something to do with it too, and then whoever was before him
57:44
or before Obama had something to do with it too. But it's it's several
57:51
several presidents had something to do with it, and they're talking about that.
57:54
But just like y'all say that in Texas that it lack of well they don't
58:04
understaffing. Understaffing is what is causing the issues. So that that's I mean,
58:08
that's what was that was posted. This was this week. This just
58:12
went in about that. So now that you I mean, it's in the
58:15
news. What you're saying is in the news. Okay, okay, so
58:21
thank you. This is where we come in at We signed petitions asking for
58:23
the First Step active being. We called it to be amended, a supplemented
58:30
in order to add all these issues that we're talking about to be included and
58:32
to the first Step Act to be good by cong that's what we're acting from
58:37
this. That's so if we can just that's not what we can try.
58:40
What's going to happen? Because you just did you just did? You just
58:44
fear what I said? These people just said, and the reason why they're
58:46
not even able to go forth with that is because they having the same issues
58:52
that y'all are having down there while y'all can't get up for parole because they
58:55
they hollering that they don't have enough staff. So that's the issue. So
59:00
it's just like it's just like you speaking to somebody until you blue in the
59:02
faith and you're gonna get the same results. But yeah, we can do
59:06
all that again and again and again. But go ahead, okay, rishette
59:09
mischette Yoah, First of the issues lam Number two is a boy tenensor,
59:15
ma'am. Okay, if you can't try to get win them to follow a
59:17
request for a new trial based upon boy judgment just proportionate sentence to the offense
59:23
charge, that's number one. The second case is boy judgment based upon the
59:27
handsome paragraph. And the third issue with the guy Christopher Lamb. He can
59:30
go in MAX for copies of access to his minutes of the grand jury to
59:35
find out how the distic attorney's office indicted at him without allowing him self defense,
59:39
because that was justification, ma'am. So that's what I have for that,
59:43
okay, ma'am, okay, thank you so much. I thank each
59:46
and every one of you guys for tuning in for another episode of Let's Talk
59:52
About It. Please tune in with me next Monday. I have a bonus
59:57
show. Tune in you don't want want to miss it, tune in.
1:00:00
I love you guys, Be safe, And my question for you tonight is
1:00:06
what are you using your voice for? Are you using your voice to talk
1:00:12
to speak damnation over your life or over other people life? Or are you
1:00:17
using your voice to speak life? Use your voice to always speak life.
1:00:28
I love you guys, stay blessed, have a good weekend, and I
1:00:31
see you on Monday. Oh oh things where it all the