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The Kenny Report | 14 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 1: Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight, Anthony Albanesi fails the key performance indicator he set
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  Speaker 3: for himself as he continues to push new internet censorship laws,
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  Speaker 3: more doubts about that disputed indigenous heritage claim that's holding
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  Speaker 3: up a gold mine in New South Wales. The Republican
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  Speaker 3: Movement refers to the King's visit as a fareweld tour
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  Speaker 3: really also a musical treat as we hear from Australia's
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  Speaker 3: big band master, James Morrison, a terrific panel and Sophie
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  Speaker 3: Ellsworth with the media and plenty more.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. This is a day that's.
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  Speaker 3: Been coming for a while, a day when Anthony Alberanzi
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  Speaker 3: has been hoist on his own petard, A day I've
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  Speaker 3: been predicting for most of this year.
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  Speaker 4: We haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Anthony Alberanzi unwise then, because he's now set himself
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  Speaker 3: KPI a key performance indicator of staying ahead in the poles,
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  Speaker 3: which could turn ugly for him if he slips behind. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that boast of Albernizis was always going to bite him
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  Speaker 3: on the bum, wasn't it? And sure enough today he
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  Speaker 3: has for the first time slipped behind on news poll.
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  Speaker 3: After Newspole has had Labor and the Coalition neck and
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  Speaker 3: neck on the two party preferred fifty percent each for
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  Speaker 3: three surveys in a row, Labor has now slipped behind.
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  Speaker 3: Today's news poll in the Australian newspaper has the Coalition
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  Speaker 3: up fifty one to forty nine percent on the popular vote. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's long held boast cannot be made any longer.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, we haven't lost a news poll, unlike every other
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  Speaker 5: government during every term since since our newspoll started.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a very good reason that politicians shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: talk too much about the polls, and certainly shouldn't defend
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  Speaker 3: themselves by reference to the polls or seek to build
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  Speaker 3: themselves up based on the polls, because it's bound to
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  Speaker 3: end in tears.
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  Speaker 4: We haven't lost a news poll. Tis I've been prime minister.
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  Speaker 4: We haven't lost a news poll. Tis I've been Prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: Well you have now, Albo, you have now.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder how the Labor caucus feels about the Prime
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  Speaker 3: minister's leadership. The big question is whether Albanese can lead
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  Speaker 3: Labor to victory again or whether he presides over the
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  Speaker 3: first one term federal government since nineteen thirty one.
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  Speaker 1: There's a long way to go, of course.
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  Speaker 3: And the coalition will need to lift its primary vote
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  Speaker 3: by another three or four percent, but you never know.
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  Speaker 3: As you know, the alban Ezy Labor government now has
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  Speaker 3: a deeply worrying.
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  Speaker 1: Bill before Parliament.
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  Speaker 3: It's called the Communications Legislation Amendment Combating Misinformation and Disinformation Bill.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a copy of it here.
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  Speaker 3: It runs to countless pages, of course, and apart from
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  Speaker 3: its Orwellian sounding name, this bill will deliver an Orwellian
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  Speaker 3: new era in censorship. It'll give the government more power
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  Speaker 3: to censor information in the digital world. It'll mean a
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  Speaker 3: government appointed body AKMA will get to decide what is
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  Speaker 3: truth and what is not, what is allowed in reasonable debate,
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  Speaker 3: and what is banned. Don't forget we've already seen this movie.
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  Speaker 3: I've revealed here and in The Australian how the federal
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  Speaker 3: government secretly censored social media during the pandemic, getting the
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  Speaker 3: digital giants to pull down posts that were actually true,
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  Speaker 3: factual posts about how vaccines did not stop people getting
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  Speaker 3: infected with COVID or passing it on, and posts that
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  Speaker 3: said the virus did come from that wuhan ladab. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the truth was censored secretly, and it happened under the
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  Speaker 3: Coalition and under labor. So the threat of government censorship
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  Speaker 3: looms heavy no matter who's in power. And look apart
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  Speaker 3: from being frightening, the idea behind these new laws is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who else would you trust to decide what
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  Speaker 3: is true and what is false? But politicians. We might
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  Speaker 3: as well defer to rock stars on fidelity or public
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  Speaker 3: servants on productivity. But the Albanezer government tells us this
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  Speaker 3: is for our own good.
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  Speaker 6: The rapid spread of seriously harmful mis and disinformation poses
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  Speaker 6: a significant challenge to the functioning of societies around the world.
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  Speaker 6: Through this bill, the Australian government is acting to prevent
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  Speaker 6: the spread of missing disinformation and the damage it causes
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  Speaker 6: to austrain democracy and public safety.
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  Speaker 3: And the Prime Minister has used various news events to
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  Speaker 3: push the argument.
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  Speaker 7: We all need to be on guard against those seeking
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  Speaker 7: to use misinformation to create division. We know, I think
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  Speaker 7: overwhelming the Australians want misinformation and disinformation to stop.
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  Speaker 3: Look, we're all against misinformation and disinformation, we're all against
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  Speaker 3: falsehoods and lies. The trick is who gets to decide,
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  Speaker 3: For instance, what do we make of.
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  Speaker 7: This reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 3: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 3: a year.
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  Speaker 4: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year?
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  Speaker 3: Was that misinformation or disinformation? And given they've never apologized
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  Speaker 3: for it, how can we trust them with new censorship powers.
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  Speaker 7: Then there's this labor we'll support all of the legislative
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  Speaker 7: tax cuts which are in place now.
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  Speaker 4: We have not changed, is our position on Stage three.
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  Speaker 7: Tax cuts have been legislated, we support them.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So that turned out to not be true either,
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  Speaker 3: But we should trust them to set up what is
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  Speaker 3: effectively a new ministry of truth. I don't think so,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, have a listen to what they reckon is
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  Speaker 3: the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Renewables are the cheapest form of energy.
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  Speaker 7: In renewable energy, which we know is the cheapest form
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  Speaker 7: of energy, the cheapest form of energy is renewable energy.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, all evidence to the contrary, Remember Anthony Alberzi promised.
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  Speaker 4: This Labor has real lasting plans for cheaper electricity, cheaper childcare,
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  Speaker 4: cheaper mortgages.
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  Speaker 3: How is your mortgage looking after the dozen interest rate
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  Speaker 3: rises we've seen since then? Imagine if Alberanesi is as
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  Speaker 3: wrong on what's right as he was on interest rates.
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  Speaker 1: This is a huge issue.
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  Speaker 3: We need to start getting rid of the encumbrances on
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  Speaker 3: free speech in this country. Not give governments even more
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  Speaker 3: power to silence dissent and control debate. But Labor wants
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  Speaker 3: to be in charge of the truth. The truth.
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  Speaker 1: You can't handle the truth?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes the truth is a bit much to handle,
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  Speaker 3: and sometimes the truth can be hard to pin down.
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  Speaker 3: And there's plenty of nonsense flying around in the digital
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  Speaker 3: media age, but plenty of it comes from politicians. Giving
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  Speaker 3: governments any more control over information would be perhaps the
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  Speaker 3: most destructive thing we could ever do to ourselves. As
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  Speaker 3: you know, Hurricane Milton smashed Florida late last week, after
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  Speaker 3: millions of people evacuated from low lying areas, which of
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  Speaker 3: course covers most of Florida. At least seventeen people were
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  Speaker 3: killed as storm surges and flooding hit a vast area,
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  Speaker 3: and a number of tornadoes ripped through the state ahead
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  Speaker 3: of the hurricane, and the damage bill will top something
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  Speaker 3: like fifty billion dollars. So in an era area of
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  Speaker 3: the country. There an area of the US that's regularly
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  Speaker 3: hit by hurricanes. This was another tragic natural disaster, but
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  Speaker 3: there's no escaping the fact that Milton wasn't as bad
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  Speaker 3: as many in the media and politics predicted. The media
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  Speaker 3: hysteria ahead of the storm was over the top, which
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  Speaker 3: in a way is a good thing because it helped
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  Speaker 3: to encourage people to evacuate. But there's no doubt that
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  Speaker 3: climate alarmism fed into the coverage, with much of the
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  Speaker 3: media suggesting this would be the worst hurricane ever and
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  Speaker 3: preemptively attributing it to climate change.
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  Speaker 8: But if we continue to warm up the planet even more,
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  Speaker 8: then pretty soon we're going to exceed.
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  Speaker 1: Our level of resil. So that's really the problem.
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  Speaker 9: These extreme weather events become more extreme, these hurricanes become stronger.
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  Speaker 10: There's also a climate connection here too.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I mean those are talking about this rapid
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  Speaker 5: intensifications that Milton is breaking all sorts of records.
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  Speaker 1: According to a.
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  Speaker 11: Recent study, climate change made the record breaking water temperatures
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  Speaker 11: that fueled Hurricane Milton up to eight hundred times more likely.
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  Speaker 3: Even the President of the US, yes, Joe Biden is
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  Speaker 3: still president, even hey bought into this familiar narrative.
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  Speaker 12: Because of this, nobody can deny the impact of climate
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  Speaker 12: crisis anymore, at least I hope they don't.
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  Speaker 4: They must be brained and if they do.
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  Speaker 3: Look, no one should downplay the tragedy and trauma from
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  Speaker 3: this hurricane. Of course, it was a shock ap but
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  Speaker 3: it was not even close to being one of the
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  Speaker 3: worst in US history.
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  Speaker 1: I mean back in nineteen hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Why, ahead of any human induced climate change, the Great
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  Speaker 3: Galveston hurricane took more than ten thousand lives. Other hurricanes
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  Speaker 3: in the nineteenth century and early twentieth killed thousands. And
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  Speaker 3: then of course there was Katrina back in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and five when twelve hundred.
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  Speaker 1: People were killed.
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  Speaker 3: So perspective and context, as ever, are important here because
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  Speaker 3: in the media and in politics we constantly see this
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  Speaker 3: climate alarmism. They constantly use every natural disaster, every bad
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  Speaker 3: fire day to push their alarmism, but they're never held
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  Speaker 3: to account when their hysterical predictions don't match up with
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  Speaker 3: the reality, or they're claim they're actually not borne out
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  Speaker 3: by the facts, and by the way, when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to natural disasters and the renewable energy that the Left
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  Speaker 3: keeps telling us will help to change the weather, We'll
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  Speaker 3: have a look at how renewable energy installations cope with tornadoes.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a soul of farm in Florida with a swathe
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  Speaker 3: of destruction.
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  Speaker 1: Ripped through it.
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  Speaker 3: It's times like this you might prefer to have some
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  Speaker 3: dispatchable electricity on hand. And likewise, look at this tornado
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  Speaker 3: ripping through a wind farm earlier this year in Iowa.
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  Speaker 3: They produce no electricity when there's no wind, and none
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  Speaker 3: for quite a.
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  Speaker 1: While after there's been too much wind. We just let
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  Speaker 1: that vision keep running.
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  Speaker 3: We actually get to see it go through the wind
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  Speaker 3: farm and the turbine's turbines aresh shredded.
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  Speaker 1: By that tornado. And all this, of course underlines why we.
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  Speaker 3: Need reliable, dispatchable and resilient power sources, especially when the
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  Speaker 3: weather makes life difficult for us. Let's go to Melbourne
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  Speaker 3: now and catch up with National Senate leader Bridget mackenzie.
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  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, Bridget. I want to start
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  Speaker 3: off on this misinformation bill. It's pleasing use for the
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  Speaker 3: whole country that the Coalition has decided to oppose it,
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  Speaker 3: but what chance do you give yourself of being able
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  Speaker 3: to actually knock it off in the Senate.
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  Speaker 8: Well, great to be with you, Chris, and I thought
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  Speaker 8: your opening Marques were dead on. We live in a
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  Speaker 8: free society because the foundation is freedom of thought and
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  Speaker 8: articulating those thoughts and ideas through freedom of speech. And
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  Speaker 8: having the government somehow deciding what's acceptable thoughts, what's acceptable
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  Speaker 8: to articulate, and what's not I think is incredibly damaging
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  Speaker 8: and undermining for a free society. So we're absolutely voting
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  Speaker 8: against this in the Senate. We're hoping that senators, particularly
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  Speaker 8: on the cross bench, will see the sense in that,
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  Speaker 8: and we'll want to protect free speech and holding you know,
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  Speaker 8: not making bureaucrats in charge of articulating what is politically sensitive.
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  Speaker 8: I think is the actual in the legislation.
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  Speaker 1: If we were.
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  Speaker 8: Going to get problem, you know, if we're going to
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  Speaker 8: sort of drum up issues around what's politically sensitive or not,
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  Speaker 8: you wouldn't be able to stand up for Israelis in
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  Speaker 8: this day and age, exactly, let alone speak out against renewables.
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  Speaker 1: You be are fair?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be fair now look, let's be realistic
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  Speaker 3: about this. There are issues and concerns about social media
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  Speaker 3: and the digital media and fake news and all that.
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  Speaker 3: We recognize that, and the coalition in government looked at
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  Speaker 3: maybe some sort of legislation to control this. But I'm
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  Speaker 3: pleased you've come to this position now of outright opposition
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  Speaker 3: because it is such a bad idea to go down
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  Speaker 3: this particular path. But the trouble is if Labor with
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  Speaker 3: the Greens get it through the Senate, even if you
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  Speaker 3: were to win government, the chances of having the numbers
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  Speaker 3: in the Senate to repeal it would be problematic. I
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  Speaker 3: just think once in it's such a risk for this country.
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  Speaker 3: We need to hear so much more about this. This
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  Speaker 3: is a sort of to the Barricade's moment for Australian democracy.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree, Chris, and I think it's really putting
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  Speaker 8: in forefront of people's minds the abhorrent legislation that this
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  Speaker 8: government is putting in in its first term. The level
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  Speaker 8: of the number of things that we're going to have
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  Speaker 8: to try to repeal is growing, and you're right, we
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  Speaker 8: can't do that without a Senate that actually understands the
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  Speaker 8: challenges and what Australians actually want to see, and so
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  Speaker 8: I think you're going to see hopefully more and more
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  Speaker 8: Australians paying more attention to the long white paper at
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  Speaker 8: the ballot box and not just the short green one
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  Speaker 8: when they're thinking about who and how they want the
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  Speaker 8: Australian government to work. Because we have seen over the
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  Speaker 8: last few years a growing tendency of the Senate to
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  Speaker 8: have a mind of its own, to not be willing
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  Speaker 8: to support the government of the day. There are some
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  Speaker 8: significant pieces of legislation that will need to be repealed
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  Speaker 8: if we're going to get this country back on track,
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  Speaker 8: and that means Australian's thinking seriously about the type of
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  Speaker 8: senators they send to Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: Well talking about the electoral prospects. Of course, a big
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  Speaker 3: day for the Coalition today, finally getting ahead of Labor
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  Speaker 3: on a two party preferred basis fifty one forty nine.
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  Speaker 3: That wouldn't be enough to win new government, certainly push
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  Speaker 3: them into minority government. But it's embarrassing for Alberanezi. He's
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  Speaker 3: been boasting about never losing a news bowl. Well now
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  Speaker 3: he's lost one. Late today in Brisbane, he reacted to
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  Speaker 3: the news here as the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 7: I'm very focused on continuing to lead a majority government.
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  Speaker 7: My government has a record that we're very proud of,
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  Speaker 7: a record that's cut inflation in half whilst creating almost
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  Speaker 7: a million jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know whether that would pass the Misinformation Bill test.
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  Speaker 3: To say that he's proud of his government's record. I
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  Speaker 3: mean it's not much of a record, but things that
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  Speaker 3: problem he said for himself, boasting about not losing a Newspole.
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  Speaker 8: Look, I think it's one of the rarest of all
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  Speaker 8: leadership characteristics displayed by Prime ministers of recent past, and
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  Speaker 8: that is humility. You find it in spades in Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 8: You find strength and humility with Peter Dutton. But you know,
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  Speaker 8: I think it's always important for those people in leadership
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  Speaker 8: to be humble. And I don't think one Newspole a
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  Speaker 8: government makes You're right.
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  Speaker 1: I think what Newspole did.
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  Speaker 8: Show today is that Australians are trying to send a
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  Speaker 8: very clear message to the government that they are struggling
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  Speaker 8: with their mortgages, with their bills, with their groceries, with
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  Speaker 8: the cost of living pressures, and this government has not
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  Speaker 8: been able to respond. It has no plan, and that's
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  Speaker 8: actually the message that's been sent to Anthony Albanisi and
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  Speaker 8: his team. They're screaming out for relief and a response,
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  Speaker 8: and so far this PMS come up with nothing. So
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  Speaker 8: there's a ways to go, but right now not looking good.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Senator, I appreciate it. Senator Bridget Mackenzie.
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  Speaker 3: There the National's leader in the Senate. I want to
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  Speaker 3: get back to the proposed gold mine near Blaneyan, New
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  Speaker 3: South Wales, which of course has been blocked so far
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  Speaker 3: by the Environment Minister Tanya plibasecond contested indigenous heritage grounds.
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  Speaker 1: Well, today we learned.
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  Speaker 3: That the indigenous artist Naire Reynolds submitted our own paintings
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  Speaker 3: as evidence to argue why the project should be scrapped.
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  Speaker 3: It's all very strange and it calls into question the
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  Speaker 3: minister's decision yet again. Joining me now is the former
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council chair c Roy.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: You and I have spoken many times about this decision
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  Speaker 3: and you're opposed to it.
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  Speaker 1: You want it reviewed.
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  Speaker 3: But is it extraordinary that the minister is actually happy
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  Speaker 3: to cite these paintings as evidence of the claim.
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  Speaker 1: O Loo, Chris, this gets worse.
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  Speaker 9: And you know, at the end of the day, our
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  Speaker 9: local average land councils. I've said it on your program
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  Speaker 9: and your listeners be getting they'll be sick.
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  Speaker 1: Of me talking about it.
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  Speaker 9: But to undermine the existing structures of a local Abridginal
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  Speaker 9: land council, not even talk to the land council, not
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  Speaker 9: even consult with the land council. And I've read the
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  Speaker 9: submissions that have gone in in relation to Section ten
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  Speaker 9: from our local average land council and it's Uncle Neil Ingram.
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  Speaker 9: You know other elders that have that have put out
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  Speaker 9: stories and have been told stories that have been handed
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  Speaker 9: down to them and and for someone to the minister
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  Speaker 9: to you know, listen to these people around a painting.
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  Speaker 9: You know, our paintings are important. Don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 9: I'm not under mining the process in relation to genuine
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  Speaker 9: Aboriginal art and stories being told through paintings. It's really
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  Speaker 9: really important. But at the end of the day, you know,
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  Speaker 9: this is a fair fee.
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  Speaker 3: But is there anything to suggest that Nirie Reynolds in
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  Speaker 3: particular would be an informed custodian about male initiation practices
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  Speaker 3: for Moradjeri people in that area.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I don't know the lady. I still don't know.
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  Speaker 9: I wouldn't know if I fell over at Chris. Being
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  Speaker 9: the former chair of the New South I was a
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  Speaker 9: Britain Land Council and the coach of the Prime Minister's
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  Speaker 9: Indigenous Advisory Council. We get to meet a lot a
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  Speaker 9: lot of people, a lot of people I know, countrymen,
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  Speaker 9: I know, I know families and I don't know everyone. However,
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  Speaker 9: at the end of the day, if this lady was
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  Speaker 9: so significant within our communities, and again with the greater respect,
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  Speaker 9: I would have heard of or known, but I don't
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  Speaker 9: and don't take my word for it. Go out and
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  Speaker 9: ask other dreary people.
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  Speaker 3: Has the Minister has Tanya Plupisek been duped here? And
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  Speaker 3: if so, to what end? What would the motivation have been?
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  Speaker 9: Well from what.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately we've lost that zoom connection there as you would
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  Speaker 3: have heard, which is the most unfortunate.
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  Speaker 1: See there who was the former chair of the New
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: South Wales Land Council.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: We would have gone on with that a little further,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: but he's very very keen for this decision to be
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: re examined, and of course the local land council there
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: in orange to be given a say they were okay
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: with this goldmine going ahead, We better get to a
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: break then, and on the other side of it, I'll
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: catch up with Jemmy, ton Yeni and Caroline Derusso too
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: regulars here on Sky News, we'll solve the problems of
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: the world, talking about politicians getting behind a twenty four
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: hour boycott of social media, plus no more midweek schooners
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: on the company t for the workers of National Australia
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Bank back on Thursday, where looked at people perhaps unwittingly
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: risking their lives and worryingly the lives of children at
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Cahill's Crossing in Kakadoo. We've got the lowdown from David McMahon,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: a leading tour guide in the territory.
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: Cahill's Crossing has become a real attraction, especially this time
• 21:25
  Speaker 13: of the year, sort of the late season. You get
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: a lot of crocodiles all congregating in one place. And
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: the thing to remember here is there is a perfectly
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: safe viewing platform up above. You can certainly view the
• 21:38
  Speaker 13: crocodiles very safely, and you can fish safely, so there
• 21:41
  Speaker 13: really is no excuse for this sort of behavior.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Well I just wanted to update you on that because
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: David's posted another clip on social media showing unbelievable, unbelievable
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: behavior at this croc infested crossing.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: This might just be the most stupid thing I've ever
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: seen at car Hills crossing. It's not just about the individual.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: People make their own decisions, but when crocodile takes a person,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: rangers have to go and retrieve that body.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You've got grains.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Then they have to go out and shoot three or
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: four crocodiles. Do they find the crocodile responsible for taking
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: this individual, and then inevitably the call for crocodile culing
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: comes out, all because of individual stupidity.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a worry now.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Like David, I worry nothing will happen until there's another tragedy.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: He suggests fines for people who do this sort of thing,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: But you know, more laws, more rules, more nanny state
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: marching on.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: In the end, it's pretty hard to legislate against stupidity.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Let's bring in Jemmy chom Yini from GT Communication.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: It's good to see you back on the desk, Gemma,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: and joining us from the west is Caroline de Russo
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: our Royal Report hosts.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Great to see you too. What do you reckon of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: these idiots with the crocs?
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Do they not know any better or just think they're
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: smarter than the crocs? And then nothing never get taken
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 23:00
  Speaker 14: You cannot legislate against stupidity. This is duh and one
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: oh one in action. And I'm with you again in
• 23:07
  Speaker 14: the sense that I do not believe in over legislating,
• 23:10
  Speaker 14: but maybe that's the only thing that will stop people.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm actually not.
• 23:14
  Speaker 14: So much interested in stopping them for their own good.
• 23:16
  Speaker 14: If they're going to be dumb ass pardon this family
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: show dumb and do that sort of stuff and end
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: up being munched by a crocodile, well, you know what,
• 23:23
  Speaker 14: play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It's the other stuff
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: he was talking about, like the Rangers. You then have
• 23:28
  Speaker 14: to go shoot three crocs. People will call for a
• 23:30
  Speaker 14: color problem. What do I call for people to just
• 23:33
  Speaker 14: not be stupid? I mean that would be such a
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: recipe for so much stuff in this country right now.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And the real worry Caro, as we showed last week,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: someone on there with kids now, the kids are not
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: making a conscious decision they're just doing what MoMA they are.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: It's such a worry and there's signs there they should.
• 23:46
  Speaker 15: Know, right, yeah, absolutely, And look if it's adults, like
• 23:52
  Speaker 15: that's one thing. You can choose what you want to
• 23:55
  Speaker 15: do and you can be as stupid as you like.
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: But when it comes to kids, you.
• 23:59
  Speaker 15: Know, people should be a bit more responsible.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know.
• 24:03
  Speaker 15: Maybe it's a really mean thing to think, Chris, but
• 24:05
  Speaker 15: quite frankly, if a krop takes them too bad, like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 15: why are you risking the ranger's life for someone else's stupidity.
• 24:10
  Speaker 15: They can hold a little vigil there or something and
• 24:13
  Speaker 15: know that you know they're resting peacefully in nature. Why
• 24:16
  Speaker 15: why would you?
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Why would you.
• 24:18
  Speaker 15: Risk people's lives if people aren't You can't save people
• 24:23
  Speaker 15: from themselves, Chris, There is no way you can regulate
• 24:26
  Speaker 15: that away.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Just let me go move on, all.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Right, speaking of adults, someone to talk about the Prime minister.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at this.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: We haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime ministerff,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: we haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime minister.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Wellko, that's what he said in February. He's lost one
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: now what do you.
• 24:47
  Speaker 15: Reckon he has lost a news pole. Yeah, tempting fate,
• 24:53
  Speaker 15: tempting fate, and particularly when you know you have error
• 24:56
  Speaker 15: after error, mistake after mistake, you know, they can't get
• 25:00
  Speaker 15: any clear air on anything that they want to talk about.
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: They have totally lost control of the political landscape of
• 25:07
  Speaker 15: the narrative and and how the government is being perceived.
• 25:11
  Speaker 15: So I would stop talking about things that you can't
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: control and try and get back to basics on the
• 25:16
  Speaker 15: things that they can control. You know, since that high
• 25:20
  Speaker 15: point for them in what's September twenty two or something
• 25:23
  Speaker 15: like that, we have seen a very steady decline.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It has lowered a.
• 25:26
  Speaker 15: Bit the last few months and it's almost like it
• 25:29
  Speaker 15: broke through the inevitable barrier of that fifty percent. But Chris,
• 25:34
  Speaker 15: what good news is there for the government? And what
• 25:37
  Speaker 15: good news can they give Australians. How can they tell
• 25:40
  Speaker 15: us that they are doing things in the best interests
• 25:43
  Speaker 15: of the country when it is just drama after drama,
• 25:46
  Speaker 15: disaster after disaster and a clown show. Great piece from
• 25:50
  Speaker 15: Cameron Milner. I just read that has been released in
• 25:54
  Speaker 15: the Nightly for this evening, which just talks about the
• 25:58
  Speaker 15: absolute shimozzle, the absolute shambles that is the Albanezi government.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon they're really rudderless gener I reckon things
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: are going to get worse for them. Now. I'm not suggesting,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not predicting that the coalition could winen government in
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: its own right, but there's certainly a.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Chance that it can. I think labor will go down further.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: It's worth pouring out that today's the anniversary one year
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: anniversary of the Voice referendum defeat, and I think throughout
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: that the way he totally stuffed up that project and
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: that campaign is really when people started questioning his judgment
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: and his priorities.
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: I think it's more than Carra just alluded to something
• 26:34
  Speaker 14: quite correct, like losing the control of narratives and things
• 26:37
  Speaker 14: like that. But what's more powerful here, and what the
• 26:40
  Speaker 14: government hasn't seemed to yet clue into, is that it
• 26:44
  Speaker 14: has lost the faith and the trust of the electorate
• 26:46
  Speaker 14: and the people like you and me who pay mortgages
• 26:49
  Speaker 14: and go about our businesses and see the social discord
• 26:53
  Speaker 14: that this government refuses to aggressively and with strength approach,
• 26:59
  Speaker 14: like I mean, let's talk about it from sure, mister
• 27:01
  Speaker 14: Albanese's role as Prime Minister. But Jason Clare's comments last
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: week about the Middle East situation back in your box, mate,
• 27:08
  Speaker 14: Deal with your portfolio, deal with the issue on university campuses.
• 27:12
  Speaker 14: How about starting by making university campuses responsible for the
• 27:16
  Speaker 14: outrageous impacts and episodes of anti Semitism from the University
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: of Western Australia that's been widely reported back in our
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: home state to the Melbourne University where the professor was
• 27:27
  Speaker 14: you know, essentially held.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: He comes to his office and there.
• 27:31
  Speaker 14: Are masked, masked protesters holding his office hostage. And then
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: you've got, you know, the University of Sydney well publicized.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: You've got a.
• 27:40
  Speaker 14: Government that has lost connection with the electorate. It has lost,
• 27:44
  Speaker 14: for whatever reason, the understanding of what makes Australian's tip.
• 27:48
  Speaker 14: We want to live our lives in peace, We believe
• 27:50
  Speaker 14: and value social cohesion and my sense Chris, and I'm
• 27:53
  Speaker 14: not for those who don't know, my day job is
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: in a sector, but.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I don't do polling.
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: I don't do any of that political stuff. Gut as
• 28:00
  Speaker 14: a voter and someone who's been around a little bit
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: is that Australians have got their baseball bats out for
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: this government and they're at the front door and they're
• 28:06
  Speaker 14: just waiting for an opportunity to swing them.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get the same sense that everybody's worse off.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: There's no agenda. He's talking about.
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: Chips, empty chip bags and social media.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, as I showed last week, yeah, shrink flation
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: is and even that he's copied from Joe Biden. It
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: is embarrassing speaking of little diversions that Mark Butler, the
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Health Minister, has been talking about getting involved in a
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: twenty four hour boycott of the social media that ain't.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Going to fix it. I think that's a bit of
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a gesture.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think kids in particular need to be
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: offered all together.
• 28:42
  Speaker 15: Right, Yeah, it is a gesture, But I guess it's
• 28:46
  Speaker 15: kind of like the drive to life for social media.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Why do we have to call it a boycott? Why
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: don't we have it? Why don't we.
• 28:52
  Speaker 15: Call it a connect with other human beings and people
• 28:56
  Speaker 15: day as opposed to as opposed to boycott of social media.
• 29:01
  Speaker 15: I don't really like the way that that is pitched.
• 29:04
  Speaker 15: But you know, I think the less time that people
• 29:06
  Speaker 15: spend on their phones the better, and particularly kids, get
• 29:09
  Speaker 15: them outside running around give them something positive to talk
• 29:13
  Speaker 15: about and do rather than being fixated on social media.
• 29:17
  Speaker 15: I guess these things sort of need leadership in a way.
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: But if everyone just has better habits, it becomes less
• 29:23
  Speaker 15: of an issue.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, organic friends day instead of digital friendship, real life
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: friends really.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Now speaking of real life friends, this is.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: A story about the National Australian Bank agenda were they're
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: going to get rid of grog at work functions. Apparently
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: the bank's been well known for still having sort of
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: beer at functions, even during work lunches and whatever.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I'm shocked because I.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Know the world used to be like that, but just
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: about every workplace hays no grog involved these days.
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: I always had a lunch function before I went on
• 29:52
  Speaker 14: holidays here in Sydney, and you know, people are serving what.
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: No one's drinking it. No one's I mean he was
• 29:57
  Speaker 14: there because I guess it's part of the offering for
• 29:59
  Speaker 14: the function. No one was drinking it. And I mean,
• 30:02
  Speaker 14: I'm the world's greatest lightweight and have been since I
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: was you know, an adult and of drinking age, so
• 30:06
  Speaker 14: I can't. I don't drink at lunchtime anyway, because I
• 30:09
  Speaker 14: need an app. It's very simple but coming again from
• 30:11
  Speaker 14: Western Australia, the great mining state. Dry workplaces have been
• 30:15
  Speaker 14: a thing for a very very long time, and the
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: view was taken that the head office for example, that
• 30:21
  Speaker 14: you know, the traditional white collar office, should be dry
• 30:23
  Speaker 14: if the work flight in the Bilbury is dry, for example.
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: So I read the story and have the same reaction
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: when they're still boozing up at nab Wow.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Not anymore, they're joining the rest of the country.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Now, there's been some shocking dog attacks around the country
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: in the last week and then the latest one in Coensland.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: He is a news report.
• 30:43
  Speaker 16: Bruised and batter it. Leanne Shaw's morning ended in emergency care.
• 30:48
  Speaker 16: She was walking her dash out Chelsea when the fifty
• 30:52
  Speaker 16: eight year old was attacked by an American Stafford Sheer
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: Terrier cross she never saw coming. The Amstaff's owner denies
• 31:00
  Speaker 16: his two year old, called Loki, is dangerous ball.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: He just doesn't like other dogs.
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: Counsel was quick to seize him, soon finding out he
• 31:10
  Speaker 16: isn't registered.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Now, Caro, I know go on about these, but the
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: happening so often it's these pitbulls.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: It's the I know, the people who don't look after them. Properly.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: But it's shocking how many people are getting hurt, innocent people.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I know one owner was nearly killed in Melbourne this week.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: But something's gonna be done about it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: Well, and the question is what and exactly how?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 31:35
  Speaker 15: So I actually took Axel four on Axel puppy, little fluffy, proper, proper,
• 31:41
  Speaker 15: little fluffy puppy for a playdate with the biggest, fluffiest
• 31:45
  Speaker 15: German Shepherd you've ever seen. And they had they had
• 31:49
  Speaker 15: a wonderful time. But that there is one excellently trained
• 31:53
  Speaker 15: German shepherd. But like with anything, dog owners need to
• 31:57
  Speaker 15: be responsible. They need to train their dogs. And the
• 32:00
  Speaker 15: fact that that dog is unregistered is not right. But
• 32:04
  Speaker 15: it's also a little bit by the bye. You don't
• 32:06
  Speaker 15: tell your dog or you're registered.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Now you need to be a good boy.
• 32:09
  Speaker 15: So there needs to be like again, legislation or rules
• 32:13
  Speaker 15: don't just fix things. It's again around a culture about
• 32:17
  Speaker 15: being a responsible dog owner. When I take my dog out,
• 32:20
  Speaker 15: not vicious obviously, but he is always on a lead.
• 32:23
  Speaker 15: Make sure your dog is always on a lead. If
• 32:25
  Speaker 15: your dog is at home, you have to make sure
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: it's enclosed. It's rubbish about oh my dog's a good boy.
• 32:30
  Speaker 15: It sounds like parents when their kids play up at school.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, can't be my kid.
• 32:34
  Speaker 15: Yeah, maybe it can be your kid.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: While we're talking about animals are making life difficult for people,
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: check out this pizza shop in Sydney today and pineapple
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: and hold the pigeons.
• 32:57
  Speaker 14: That's a hard path from me. Wow, and I just
• 33:01
  Speaker 14: came back from I did spend a weekend in Naples,
• 33:03
  Speaker 14: and Naples is what I would describe as gloriously chaotic
• 33:06
  Speaker 14: and wow.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Wow, you got to have someone in the pizza shop
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: to shoe out the peach.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many.
• 33:12
  Speaker 14: Things to unpack there and I don't know where to start.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Hopefully that threw everything out.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Oh thanks, Jemma and Caroline appreciate it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you with you next week.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: After the break, we're going to talk about the Republican's
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Royal rebrand for Charles and Camilla's visit, they reckon it's
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: the fair World tour seems a bit off to me.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: And also I'm going to be joined by Australian jazz
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: legend James Morrison live.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Here in the studio.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Well, this is a big week for Monicas, with King
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Charles and Queen Camilla arriving in Sydney on Friday night.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: The republic Movement is using the royal visit to launch
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: a cheeky new campaign labeling the visitor fair World Tour
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: and asking Australians to say goodbye to the Royal reign
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: have a look.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: A farewell of jo see them together for the ultimate.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: October eighteen to twenty three person.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: Tend on your money.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Do you feel Australia in the taxpayer? Charles King and
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Camila in consort, don't miss your chance to wave goodbye
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: to Royal raid.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Well, let's bring in the new coach here of the
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Australian Republican Movement, Esther Antalitis.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Yesther An interesting ad there.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm a Republican, so I'm sort of on board
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: with your cause, but it just seems a little bit
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: off to me when the King's been battling cancer and
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: he's coming out here, good on him while he's being treated, that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: You're you're promoting this as a farewell tour.
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: First of all, thanks for having me, Chris. It's monarchy
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: that it's that it's important we look at Fairwelling to
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: Charles and Camilla, we say welcome to Australia and have
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: a wonderful time while you're here, to travel safely and
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: in good health. But this is a great time for
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: us to be saying why, in this day and age,
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: is there's still a monarchy at that apex of Australian democracy.
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: So it's monarchy the farewell Os tour.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm into.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: You know, we ought to be having the discussion about
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: whether we have merit at the heart of our constitution,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: whether we should have a foreign monarch sitting at the
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: very apex of that constitution and therefore our legal and
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: democratic system. But this sort of I just get I
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: get a bit worried that if you're just having sort
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: of cheap shots at the monarchy, the whole debate is
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: never going to be advanced properly.
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: I see it as something that is it's certainly light hearted,
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: it is bold, but it's also about addressing Australian culture,
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: addressing us as Australians. We do love a visiting show,
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: but you know, we also love fairness, equality, justice. It
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: just doesn't make sense in this day and age that
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: Australia's head of state is the monarch of another country,
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: appointed by birthright and so on. We won't be a
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: fully democratic country until our head of state is someone
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: that we've democratically selected, works for us full time and
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: is accountable to all of arts at Australians.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: And how are you going as an organization? You lost
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: FITZI the pirate who was running the show. Then you
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: had Craig Foster and over Paris for a while, who
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: fell out over the Middle East? How are you going
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: as an organization? Who's your co chair? And how's your
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: membership going?
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: My co chair is Nathan Hansford High Nathan. Nathan was
• 36:43
  Speaker 11: formerly the convenor of our ACT branch and has also
• 36:47
  Speaker 11: been a committed member for a long time. Look, we've
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: had still got, you know, tens of thousands of members
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: and supporters all over Australia, of all ages, of cultural background.
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: The organization, of course, is a good, small, tight nonprofit
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: organization and the membership remains vocal and passionate.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks for joining us, Sessa, I appreciate it.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Anatalitis there, who's the coachair of the Australian Republican Movement?
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: That's it there, That's how our country operates at the moment.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: On Friday, our Head of State, King Charles the Third
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: of Australia is going to arrive and pay Australia a.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Bit of a visit. That's just the way it is now.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: I'm going to share something really special with you when
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: it comes to music. It's fifty years now since the
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  Speaker 3: death of the Great Duke Ellington, who more than any
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: other he epitomized the big band era and he awakened
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  Speaker 3: the world really to the artistry of jazz and other
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  Speaker 3: forms of American music right from the nineteen twenties through to.
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  Speaker 1: The post war era.
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  Speaker 3: And here in Australia we're about to see a series
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  Speaker 3: of tribute concerts from our own big band master, James Morrison.
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  Speaker 3: And it's terrific to welcome the great James Morrison to
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  Speaker 3: the studio. Great to meet you, James, and thanks for
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Chris.
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  Speaker 3: Look, you've done so much in music, from composing music
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: for the Sydney Olympics to playing with orchestras and solo recordings.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: But tell us about the big band. There must be
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: something special again about getting in the front of a big.
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  Speaker 17: Band there is look in the world of jazz, that's
• 38:31
  Speaker 17: the pinnacle as far as instrumental groups go. And the
• 38:33
  Speaker 17: sound of a big band, I mean the solo trumpet
• 38:36
  Speaker 17: you've heard on its own, you know, imagine five of
• 38:39
  Speaker 17: those and four trombones and five saxophones and a rhythm
• 38:42
  Speaker 17: section is such a big sound that tends the name.
• 38:45
  Speaker 17: But also it's the color of the tones you've got
• 38:47
  Speaker 17: in there. And so much of the great music of
• 38:50
  Speaker 17: jazz comes from the big band era.
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  Speaker 3: So you're going to do a national tour playing tribute
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  Speaker 3: to the music of Duke Ellington.
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  Speaker 17: He is the master, right, yes, look you know, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 17: speaking of monarchies, you.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Know, the Duke, there's one that will rain forever. Yeah,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: he was.
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  Speaker 17: He was so innovative in his time and as you
• 39:10
  Speaker 17: said in your introduction, you know, popularized the artistry of jazz.
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  Speaker 17: It was sort of dance music prior to that, and
• 39:15
  Speaker 17: you know, fine, but he took it to another level.
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  Speaker 17: And so this is music for the concert or there's
• 39:19
  Speaker 17: the music to sit and listen to.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Now the other thing I love about this now I'm
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: never going to be running down modern music like some
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: old band.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: You know, of course, not there's.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Lots of brilliant music still being produced there in all
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: sorts of ways.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: There is.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: But the but is the technology plays a big role, right,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: there's a lot. Even some artists will go and play
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: on their own and then do a lot of recording.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Wonderful to use that absolutely right, Yeah, that's great. But
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: with a big band, no, it's it's all the instruments
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  Speaker 3: right there working together.
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  Speaker 1: Apart from amplification. There's no tricks, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 17: Look, I hesitate to call them tricks because there's a
• 39:56
  Speaker 17: lot of artistry involves.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: No, I take your point.
• 39:59
  Speaker 17: It's of a time when whatever you heard was what
• 40:02
  Speaker 17: someone was creating right in front of you, and there's
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: no sound comes out of it. Like a trumpet itself
• 40:07
  Speaker 17: doesn't make a sound, just a piece of pipe. It's
• 40:09
  Speaker 17: the musicians doing the same with all the instruments in
• 40:11
  Speaker 17: the band. So yeah, it's got to feel about it
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  Speaker 17: when you're sit in front of a sound that's organic.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very organic. That's a good word.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: When you see a great piece of music played by
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: an orchestra, you know you're hearing.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Anything exactly as people two hundred years ago were here.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Sure, so people will come along to see you on
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: this tour. They might as well be back in America
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: or what was.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: It the Cotton Club back in the thirties and the thirties.
• 40:32
  Speaker 17: Yeah, well, hopefully, look, if we can sound like that,
• 40:35
  Speaker 17: we've done very well because that was the as I said,
• 40:37
  Speaker 17: the Xenathan his band was the greatest at playing that music.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Now, we did organize a microphone here that won't be
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: destroyed by your trumpet.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: You can do. You will, just give us a few
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: notes to set us in the mood. Absolutely well.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 40:51
  Speaker 17: One of the classics of Ellington was a song he
• 40:53
  Speaker 17: wrote about jazz. Most songs are about something else called it
• 40:57
  Speaker 17: don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.
• 40:59
  Speaker 17: He's a little excerpt.
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  Speaker 1: That is the better.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you at home, to sit here
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  Speaker 3: and listen to that line is something special. That is
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: just brilliant. And you're telling you told me in the
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: break that's the quiet version.
• 41:23
  Speaker 17: That's the sitting down and taking an easy version.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you get out on the stage, you really
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: learn it right.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we stuck it up.
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I've got to ask you why I've got you here
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: just to talk about the other work you do, because
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I don't want to embarrass you. But because there's a
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: bit of self praise involved here. You do an enormous
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: amount of work in this country with young musicians, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think you get enough credit for that. Whether
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: they're at schools or university graduates, you just do work assiduously.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: There's how many musicians do you think you would have
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: mentored or helped get a start along in a musical
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: career in this country.
• 41:59
  Speaker 17: Look, really don't know, mate, But it's it's about passing
• 42:02
  Speaker 17: on something. It's love that you put it that way,
• 42:05
  Speaker 17: and it's lovely that people said that. I'm like, oh,
• 42:06
  Speaker 17: he gives so much. But really what it feels like
• 42:09
  Speaker 17: is you've got this incredible gift you've been given and
• 42:11
  Speaker 17: you go, I got to pass this on.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Like way do they feel this way?
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: It's like a great story you want to tell and say,
• 42:16
  Speaker 17: you've got to try this. And so Don Burrow has
• 42:19
  Speaker 17: really passed that on to me as my great mentor
• 42:21
  Speaker 17: and friend over so many years. He said, it's such
• 42:23
  Speaker 17: a joy to be there when the lights come on,
• 42:26
  Speaker 17: you know, we think when they go and they get it,
• 42:28
  Speaker 17: you go, oh wow, it's enriching for you. So you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 17: I love to help, but I've got to say, you know,
• 42:33
  Speaker 17: the people who mentor like I do, get a tremendous
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: amount out of it ourselves too.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so many then and it goes on and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: it goes on. We hope they pass it on exactly. Yeah,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: now a little question without notice.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: What I want to do is mention to people that
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: James is taking the tour starting in Sydney, going to Brisbane, Adelaide,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Melbourne and Perth. And for dates and tickets you can
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: go to James Morrison dot com. But having said that,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I just thought, rather than do our normal newsy throw
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: to the break, maybe you could play us off to
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: the break, you know, like it's a Bird and Don
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Lane style.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, let's try the big names.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Well, let's catch up with Sophie ELL's with media writer
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: for The Australian, as we do every Monday.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Sophie. First up the Media
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Watch at the ABC.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: A lot of speculation about who might be the new
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Media Watch host.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I officially ruled myself out in the Osthma this morning.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Who do you reckon is going to be? Well, there's a.
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: Few names being bandied around. Chris obviously, Janine Parrott, who
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: is filling in at the moment, or has been until
• 43:51
  Speaker 10: Paul Barry's returned from leave O. The names you know
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: also being put to put out there include the Age
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: editor gay Elcorn. She was also sounded out on this,
• 44:04
  Speaker 10: so there's a few different contenders, but also Michael Lee Justice.
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: Michael Lee was another name being thrown in there, which
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: I highly doubt, but there's been no announcement from the ABC.
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: They've been incredibly tight lipped about who will be Paul
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: Barry's replacement. But it is an important job, Chris, and
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: I hope that they choose whoever it is very carefully.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is an important job.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Although I would argue that they should be looking at
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: economizing them. I mean, they've got ten people working on
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes of television every week, so either they sort
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: of should cull that back to a fewer people to
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: make the program and the host should be doing some
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: work as well rather than just hosting it, or maybe they.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Should do more.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: If they're going to have a ten or twelve people
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: media unit, they should be doing a lot more analysis
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: across the ABC across the week rather than just fifteen
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: minutes a week.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: I think they also need to look at other news outlets,
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: not just to focus intensely on News Corp. That Paul
• 45:06
  Speaker 10: Barry seems to exactly, And yes, you're right. They have
• 45:09
  Speaker 10: about a dozen staff there for a fifteen minute program
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: once a week in about a two or three minute
• 45:15
  Speaker 10: clip online. They always complaining about being under resourced and understaffed,
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: and I think many people would probably think that's pretty
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: good amount of staff for a short amount of output
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: each week.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Now, last week I had a couple of guys at
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: the ABC four Corners program over their latest effort which
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: seemed to be using taxpayers resources really to try and
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: unpick to try and debunk coalitions plan to have nuclear
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: energy in Australia.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Here's a sample of.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: That is too.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: How would you describe a policy to build seven nuclear
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: plants in Australia recklessly stupid and dangerous?
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Lease up? Yeah, pretty desperate when they're using Malcolm Turnbull
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: as they're expert on energy. But there's been official complaints
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: now about this full corners what's happening at the ABC
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: regarding investigating or perhaps even correcting any of the information
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: in that program.
• 46:18
  Speaker 10: So that's right, Chris, there have been complaints from nuclear supporters.
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: The ABC has received written complaints about this. It's really
• 46:27
  Speaker 10: up to them now to see what they do.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: They don't forget though, Chris.
• 46:30
  Speaker 10: They do have an ABC ombardsman to investigate their grievances.
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: They have a pretty thorough complaints process. To date nothing
• 46:39
  Speaker 10: has happened. But let's see what comes of these grievances
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: in the coming weeks.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: And a couple of big jobs in radio coming up
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: with the ABC too.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Richard Glover who's been the drive time host in Sydney
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: for a long while. He's quite prominent, has a regular
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: column in the newspaper as well. And also Patricia carvellis
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: from Radio National Breakfast.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a key spot. Any suggestions and on
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: who they're getting in to fill those.
• 47:03
  Speaker 10: Roles, well, a couple of them Chris, Sally Sara and
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: Steve Kanaine are pinned for are in Breakfast. Hamish McDonald's
• 47:13
  Speaker 10: name has also been banded around for a potential replacement
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: at ABC Radio. Look, these are pretty key spots on
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: prominent programs. The radio has been in damage control, Chris.
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: They're losing listeners, they're hemorrhaging them and this has obviously
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: been on Kim Williams's mind since he took over, so
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: it'd be interesting to see who they're put in these spots.
• 47:35
  Speaker 10: But they are very sought after gigs, so they'll have
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: no problem filling them.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: You've done a lot of reporting on how radio has
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: been a problem for them, They've been losing audience. It's
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: just very briefly you think this is Kim Williams trying
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: to shake things up a bit.
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: I absolutely think this has Kim Williams fingerprints on it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: I mean he's come out and said Radio National needs
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: to be like BBC Radio and make sure that people
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: listen to it every day, and at this point they don't.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Chris great stuff, Sophie all over as ever, thanks for
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: joining us, Sophie Osworth their read her stuff in The Australian.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I just want to go with some of your feedback
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: from that segment I had last week with David mcmat
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: over the crocodiles at ka Hill's Crossing at Kakadu. One
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: viewer says, oh, I was recently at Kahle's Crossing and
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: it's scary how a massive crop can disappear under the
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: water surface. John says when I worked at the jumping
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: crop cruises. We would get questions like what time do
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: you let the crocs out? Can we pat them? Can
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: we swim here? Yeah, ignorance is a problem, Darren says,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: rule of thumb. For every one croc you can see, there.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Are ten you can't.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: And another sky viewer says it's called natural selection. Yes,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: well Darwinian. Indeed, thanks so much for joining me. I'll
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: be back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Kredlin