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Steve Price | 23 January · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Life.
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Speaker 2: This is Steve Price.
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Speaker 1: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Steve Price, back with
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Speaker 1: you for another season of Friday Nights. At the end
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Speaker 1: of one of the most destructive weeks in politics for
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Speaker 1: the coalition. Here's what's coming up on the program tonight.
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Speaker 1: Where to now for the Liberal and National Partnership and
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Speaker 1: even more importantly, who will now put pressure on a
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Speaker 1: flailing Albanese government? Former Federal Liberal Nicole Flint and One
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Speaker 1: Nation Sean Bell pick over the explosive developments of the
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Speaker 1: last twenty four hours Also tonight, a big question now
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Speaker 1: for the Liberal Party. If not Susan Lee, then who
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Speaker 1: post BONDI. Many believe Josh Briedenberg, former Liberal Treasurer and
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Speaker 1: Jewish leader throughout the dark days of the past two years,
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Speaker 1: should put his hand up. Of course, he's not in parliament.
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Speaker 1: Will he decide to run? And Friday regular Campbell Newman?
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Speaker 1: Will he lead? Not even in the state Parliament in
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Speaker 1: Queensland he didn't even have a seat and he led
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Speaker 1: the He's up shortly plus as we head into this
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Speaker 1: Australia day long weekend complete with the annual vandalism of
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Speaker 1: colonial statues. So what about using the twenty sixth of
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Speaker 1: January as a day where we honor all of our
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Speaker 1: marvelous volunteers, firefighters, life savers, the SS and make it
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Speaker 1: a positive date for all Australians. First though, look, it
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Speaker 1: was just last Thursday, right here on Sky I was
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Speaker 1: filling in for Andrew Bolt that I opened the show
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Speaker 1: praising Liberal leader Susan Lee for her strong appearance in
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Speaker 1: the lead up to the recall of federal Parliament. She
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Speaker 1: put Anthony Albanezi to the sword over his wishy washy
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Speaker 1: response to Bondai his refusal week after week to establish
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Speaker 1: a Royal Commission. Here's a reminder of what Susan Lee
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Speaker 1: said last Thursday.
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Speaker 3: The Opposition has extremely serious concerns about the government's legislation.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't Islamic extremism, it doesn't address ISIS influence, and
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Speaker 3: it doesn't address the rise of anti Semitism and the
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Speaker 3: associated terrorist threat in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Well that was just a week ago. In weeks a
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Speaker 1: long time in politics, I know that the coalition couldn't
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Speaker 1: stick together and vote as one in favor or against
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Speaker 1: what have now seen to be an overreach by Labor
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Speaker 1: with their hate speech laws. By yesterday morning, National's leader
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Speaker 1: David littel Prow decided along with his National colleagues that
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Speaker 1: they could not work with Susan Lee.
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Speaker 4: There's no other position where we cannot be part.
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Speaker 5: Our party room has made it very clear we cannot
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Speaker 5: be part of a shadow ministry under Susan Lee.
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Speaker 1: Then the explosions began. He was then labeled by one
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Speaker 1: unnamed Liberal as a pathological liar. Kieran Gilbert had that
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Speaker 1: information on his program yesterday, with the source claiming that
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Speaker 1: Little Preer had lied to the Liberals and even lied
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Speaker 1: to his own party. Respected Canberra political reporter a veteran
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Speaker 1: Dennis Shanahan, on page one of The Australian Today didn't
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Speaker 1: miss saying the Nats, under their leader Little Proud, have
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Speaker 1: quote committed one of the all time greatest acts of
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Speaker 1: political bastardry, self inflicted damage and stupidity in pulling out
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Speaker 1: of the coalition. Dennis went on to say Little Proud
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Speaker 1: has demonstrated little courage, little intelligence and little of which
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Speaker 1: to be proud, adding the Nationals used subterfuge to justify idiocy.
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Speaker 1: Ouch So where to now? Susan Lee bobbed up on
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Speaker 1: Breakfast TV this morning insisting she was going nowhere.
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Speaker 6: Will you survive as leader?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I will. I just want to say the door
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Speaker 3: is not closed. But my eye is not on the door.
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Speaker 3: My eye is on the work that my team has
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Speaker 3: already done over summer in holding the government to account.
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Speaker 1: She's done no other interviews today and not alt a
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Speaker 1: media conference. Her deputy Ted O'Brien, he was wheeled out
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Speaker 1: and joined us here on sky earlier today.
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Speaker 7: The Liberal Party leadership, who is not a metaphor the
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Speaker 7: National Party. It is a matter for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 7: and Susan Lee has been elected a leader and she
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Speaker 7: will continue to be our leader.
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Speaker 1: And of course now the clock is ticking. Now it's
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Speaker 1: impossible to see how Susan Lee survives. And likely candidates
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Speaker 1: include Angus Taylor. It's been reported that he's jetting back
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Speaker 1: from a European holiday. Unusual that he wasn't here during
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Speaker 1: the two day sitting of parliament, and some people have
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Speaker 1: called into question whether he really wants the job. And
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Speaker 1: of course Andrew Hasty from Western Australia. Clearly the best
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Speaker 1: candidate in my view is not even in the parliament.
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Speaker 1: That's Josh Friedenberg. Now there is, however, no hint that
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Speaker 1: those running the Parliamentary Party have the appetite for anything
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Speaker 1: as brave as to copy the Campbell Newman Canada's Mark
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Speaker 1: Carney Campbell, of course he'll be up with us soon,
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Speaker 1: and Carney the ex banker who's now the Canadian PM.
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Speaker 1: Would they install a leader who would have to win
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Speaker 1: a seat? I mean Campbell Newman. He was the Lord
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Speaker 1: Mayor of Brisbane. They made him the leader of the
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Speaker 1: LNP and he ended up being Premier. But surely it
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Speaker 1: is that sort of radical left field or should I
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Speaker 1: say right field thinking that might just save the Liberals
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Speaker 1: what they can't do is linger just as Lee told Albanezi,
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Speaker 1: the time for action that's right now coming to you
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Speaker 1: tonight at the start of this straight to day long
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Speaker 1: weekend and the usual criminal vandals were out in the
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Speaker 1: dark Thursday morning, cowards before dawn at Melbourne's Flagstaff Gardens,
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Speaker 1: dragging down a stone plinth and a statue, defacing the
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Speaker 1: rubble with graffiti including this line death to Australia and
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Speaker 1: the colony will fail, and more ominously an inverted red triangle,
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Speaker 1: which of course is a Hummus symbol. You have to
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Speaker 1: ask how these new hate laws that we've spent weeks
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Speaker 1: talking about in Parliament was recalled for how are they
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Speaker 1: going to stop these dangerous lunatics? Australia Day, according to
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Speaker 1: recent polls, has actually gained popularity with younger Australians who
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Speaker 1: want the date to stay at January twenty six as
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Speaker 1: it should. And here's an idea. Why not turn the
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Speaker 1: celebration of being Australian into a day where all of
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Speaker 1: us celebrate our volunteer culture, which is one of the best,
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Speaker 1: if not the best, in the world. Let's honor the
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Speaker 1: CFA and the RFS volunteers who risk their lives putting
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Speaker 1: out fires when in the recent blazers across Victoria, those
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Speaker 1: same fires burnt the own their own houses down while
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Speaker 1: they were trying to protect other people. Let's celebrate the
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Speaker 1: life savers like those who ran toward danger at Bondi,
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Speaker 1: not away from it. This country needs to get back
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Speaker 1: to being proud of what it is and next Monday,
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Speaker 1: in my view, might be a good place to start. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's take a closer look at the wash up from
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Speaker 1: what's been You'd have to say a dramatic first parliamentary sitting,
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Speaker 1: a couple of days with the Coalition letting the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister off the hook, I think, and once again consumed
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Speaker 1: it by its own internal politics. I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: a pattern of behavior by the way the Victorian Liberals
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Speaker 1: do it all the time, The National Liberal Party does
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Speaker 1: it all the time. That's how the Australian Liberals have
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Speaker 1: done it. I mean, it's just it's madness here to
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Speaker 1: talk it through former Liberal MP Nicole Flint and One
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Speaker 1: Nation Senator for New South Wales Sean Bell. Great to
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Speaker 1: have both of you with us. Can I start with you? Nicole?
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Speaker 1: Obviously it's a mess and if there was any chance
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Speaker 1: the Coalition might have been able to scrape into victory
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Speaker 1: at the next election, all they've blown that up This
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Speaker 1: week should have been should it not, Nicole about the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister's handling post BONDI and his failures on anti Semitism.
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Speaker 6: Yes, it should have, Steve, and I think the last
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Speaker 6: time that any of us can recall the Coalition in
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Speaker 6: such disarray was during the Hawk Keating era. The problem
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Speaker 6: for the Australian people is that Anthony Albanesi and Jim
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Speaker 6: Chalmers are no Hawk and no Keating, so it's not
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Speaker 6: just their complete inability to handle this disgraceful, devastating anti
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Speaker 6: semitism crisis.
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Speaker 8: We have the worst cost of.
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Speaker 6: Living crisis in a very long time in generations. Record
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Speaker 6: power prices, interest rates are indicated to go up again
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Speaker 6: in February. There's a lot of prediction that will see
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Speaker 6: them go up. So people under are under pressure in
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Speaker 6: every single way. And as we know, since October seven,
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty three, Anthony Albanesi and the Federal Labor Party
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Speaker 6: have failed, utterly failed to tackle anti Semitism and the
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Speaker 6: threat to our Jewish Australians, and they have failed to
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Speaker 6: tackle is Lambch extremism.
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Speaker 8: Until very recently, they couldn't even say those words.
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Speaker 6: So I sincerely hope that the coalition can put themselves
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Speaker 6: back together.
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Speaker 8: They have in the past.
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Speaker 6: We are one of the most successful, long standing coalitions
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Speaker 6: in the world and we are always stronger together. So
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Speaker 6: I hope they get back together as quickly as possible
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Speaker 6: and start rightly focusing.
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Speaker 8: On the range of.
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Speaker 6: Catastrophic failures failures by the alban Easy Labor government.
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Speaker 1: I'll get it Sean in a second. But Nicole, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you've been a senior Liberal Federal MP. You're very well respected.
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Speaker 1: And I make the point that South Australian Liberal Party,
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Speaker 1: the Victorian Liberal Party and the Federal Liberal Party seem
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Speaker 1: much more worried about their own internal politics than they
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Speaker 1: do about getting rid of what is particularly bad. As
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Speaker 1: you make the point Labor government, why.
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Speaker 6: Well, to be fair, we now have I have two
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Speaker 6: fantastic leaders. We've got Jess Wilson in Victoria and Ashton
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Speaker 6: Hern in South Australia. And regardless of the results at
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Speaker 6: the upcoming Victorian and South Australian elections, they're both incredibly
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Speaker 6: impressive women who were doing a very good job in
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Speaker 6: difficult circumstances. And I would say the same about Susan Lee. Look,
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Speaker 6: we had the worst result for the Federal Liberal Party
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Speaker 6: since nineteen forty three when the party didn't exist last election,
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Speaker 6: and I was part of that, as viewers would know.
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Speaker 6: So Susan has taken on the federal job in the
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Speaker 6: most difficult of circumstances, and whatever you think of her,
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Speaker 6: I can only compare the chance that she's been given
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Speaker 6: by colleagues to that which happened to Brendan Nelson in
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Speaker 6: two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 8: Two thousand and nine. Brendan wasn't given a.
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Speaker 6: Chance to actually try and have a go, and I
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Speaker 6: don't think Susan has been given much of a chance.
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Speaker 6: Whatever you may think of how she has performed, she
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Speaker 6: hasn't really had a lot of clear air.
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Speaker 8: And we have just had our most destropic loss since
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Speaker 8: nineteen forty three.
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Speaker 1: Sean, this is all playing into the hands of One Nation.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program, great to join you. I mean
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Speaker 1: this has been a breakdown on policy position really, I
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Speaker 1: mean the Nats and the Libs couldn't agree and David
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Speaker 1: Little Prowds jumped up and down and walked out. Do
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Speaker 1: you believe that this might, in fact even make the
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Speaker 1: one nation position even better?
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Speaker 9: Well, Steve, it's very humbling to see the surge of
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Speaker 9: support the party's been receiving, but I'm not happy for
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Speaker 9: what we've seen over the last few days in parliament.
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Speaker 9: Anthony Alberanezi terribly mismanaged the fallout from the Bondai tragedy,
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Speaker 9: and we were supposed to be there to deal with
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Speaker 9: the issue of radical Islamic extremism and making Australia safer.
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Speaker 9: And I can tell you this farcical process that we
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Speaker 9: went through and the way that the legislation was dumped
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Speaker 9: on our desks, and this wasn't the legislation we spent
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Speaker 9: a week looking at. This was a brand new bill,
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Speaker 9: significantly different, and the Labor Party and the coalition they
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Speaker 9: came up with a deal behind closed doors to pass
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Speaker 9: it that day. And I can guarantee you that that legislation,
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Speaker 9: if the Labor government has the will to even use it,
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Speaker 9: will have flaws, will have loopholes, and it will be
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Speaker 9: exploited by those that they seek to keep us safe from,
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Speaker 9: which means Australias are still in danger. So the very
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Speaker 9: reason we were there and this is the Albanesi Labor
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Speaker 9: government's failure, the very reason we were there. I do
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Speaker 9: not believe the result was achieved. And that's because the
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Speaker 9: Liberal government and the Nationals essentially snatched defeat from the
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Speaker 9: jaws of victory, which is a shame because this is
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Speaker 9: a very bad Labor government and they need to be
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Speaker 9: held to account and they need to be defeated, and
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Speaker 9: that is what one nation is focused on doing. We're
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Speaker 9: not focused on the party politics. We've got a very
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Speaker 9: strong and stable leadership. We are focused on holding this
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Speaker 9: Albanesi Labor government to account, keeping Australian Safe.
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Speaker 1: What part of the bill worried you the most.
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Speaker 9: Steve, There was a whole There was a number of
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Speaker 9: elements there, and we know that there was concerns from
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Speaker 9: the Labor Party and the Liberal Party because they took
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Speaker 9: out a whole section of racial vilification and instead they
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Speaker 9: tried to insert a fix on that into the definition
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Speaker 9: of harm and that then took into account every state legislation.
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Speaker 9: Now they claim there are checks and balances in place,
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Speaker 9: but I can tell you right now, when you've got
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Speaker 9: the Liberal Party in the Labor Party coming up with
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Speaker 9: closed door fixes without transparency, without submissions, and without a
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Speaker 9: committee stage process, those solutions they've parrot or they champion,
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Speaker 9: no one can have confidence in them. No one can
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Speaker 9: be sure when push comes to shove if they were work,
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Speaker 9: because there wasn't a proper process followed. And at the
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Speaker 9: end of the day, that's what we were calling for.
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Speaker 9: That's why I moved an amendment to have a short,
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Speaker 9: sharp investigative committee referral so we could iron out any
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Speaker 9: flaws to make this the best legislation possible, because that's
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Speaker 9: how you keep Australia safe, not with rushed, shoddy farcical
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Speaker 9: process like we saw over the last few days from
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Speaker 9: the Albertiezi labor government and the coalition.
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Speaker 1: Of what you know of the legislation, Nicole, it seems
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Speaker 1: like it is very loose when it comes to things
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Speaker 1: like freedom of speech. Are you worried about that legislation
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Speaker 1: because it's now passed, it's now law.
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Speaker 6: I'm hugely concerned, Steve, and when we were chatting last week,
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Speaker 6: I outlined my concerns and they were not alleviated by
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Speaker 6: the bill as it finally passed. There is no clear
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Speaker 6: definition of hate speech hate groups, and the huge concern
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Speaker 6: is that people voicing reasonable opinions that are construed by
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Speaker 6: any other group as so called hate speech may well
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Speaker 6: be captured by this legislation.
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Speaker 8: So it's just gone way too far.
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Speaker 6: It's way too broad, and we know with a very
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Speaker 6: activist judiciary that we have these days, and with state
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Speaker 6: and federal labor governments empower most of the most of
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Speaker 6: the nation, the real risk is that normal assie is
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Speaker 6: just voicing their opinions, particularly on social media, will be
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Speaker 6: captured by this and then prosecuted and potentially subject to
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Speaker 6: criminal prosecution. It's not just you know, you get a
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Speaker 6: slap on the wrist or drag through the you know,
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Speaker 6: the the Human Rights Commission as currently happens, which is
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Speaker 6: awful as we know, look at sal Grover's case.
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Speaker 8: What an absolute travesty.
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Speaker 6: But at least that's not at the criminal level for
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Speaker 6: goodness sake. So I'm hugely concerned about Australian's freedoms.
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Speaker 8: You know, that's just.
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Speaker 6: One part of what is rushed, poorly thought through legislation.
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Speaker 6: And I sincerely hope that I'm wrong in my predictions.
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Speaker 8: I don't think I will be.
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Speaker 6: And there are some carve outs for journalists, so hopefully
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Speaker 6: we're protected here on Sky, but I bet that we're not.
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Speaker 8: I bet that we will be targeted as we.
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Speaker 6: Always are, as I have been, as Peter Kredlin has
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Speaker 6: been through whatever a mechanism those who oppose our views
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Speaker 6: can find.
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Speaker 1: Just want to quickly talk about Australia Day, Sean, We're
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Speaker 1: going to have the same sorry marches and the all
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Speaker 1: through both Sydney, Melbourne, all of the cities of Australia.
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Speaker 1: It's turned into that day. What do you think of
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Speaker 1: that idea of mind that we actually turned Australia Day
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Speaker 1: into something positive where we spend time paying tribute to
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Speaker 1: all of those magnificent men and women who are volunteers
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Speaker 1: in this country.
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Speaker 9: I think it's a great idea, right, But in my mind,
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Speaker 9: to me, Australia has always been something positive. I love
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Speaker 9: Australia because I love Australia and you know, my entire life.
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Speaker 9: If it's been you celebrate it with a snag and
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Speaker 9: you wave the flag and so. And the good news
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Speaker 9: is the good news is that it is a turning
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Speaker 9: around these views that people have held for so long,
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Speaker 9: or at least I think the elites have held that
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Speaker 9: Australia shouldn't be celebrated, that you know, we can run down.
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Speaker 9: The country is starting to shift because I think especially
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Speaker 9: young people are starting to see that this hatred and
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Speaker 9: this division it gets us nowhere. They're tired of it.
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Speaker 9: And that's what we've at one nation have always championed.
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Speaker 9: This country is about everyone getting a fair go, everyone
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Speaker 9: being equal. We need to love it, we need to
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Speaker 9: celebrate it, and we need to celebrate our future together
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Speaker 9: and not look back at the past, not tear each
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Speaker 9: other down. So anything that improves that kind of unity
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Speaker 9: that people want, I support, and so getting behind our volunteers.
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Speaker 9: That's a great idea and Australians should do that and
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Speaker 9: they should get behind Australia Day.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Nicolin, that's ten seconds we've got left. I drove
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Speaker 1: through Kingston in the southeast the other day. How does
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Speaker 1: Kingston celebrate Australia Day.
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Speaker 6: Well, we have a local Australia Day ceremony that's led
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Speaker 6: by a council.
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Speaker 8: We'll all go and wave to Larry the Lobster local icon.
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Speaker 8: But Steve, I.
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Speaker 6: Love your idea of recognizing volunteers because that's people who
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Speaker 6: are not paid, who come together with people that they've
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Speaker 6: never met to try and make and keep our nation
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Speaker 6: a great place. And they're doing it out of the
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Speaker 6: goodness of their heart, no matter what your background, no
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Speaker 6: matter what your salary might be.
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Speaker 8: So yeah, we should.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely celebrate that because actually that's the essence of what
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Speaker 6: it is to be an Aussie, just to have a
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Speaker 6: go and to give back just because you can and
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Speaker 6: just because you should.
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent thank you both joining us very much. Look,
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Speaker 1: it's a simple idea, but I'll continue to pursue it
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Speaker 1: all right, coming up after the break, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: has shown here is remorse for not being able to
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Speaker 1: prevent the attack at Bondi and as yet again pledged
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Speaker 1: to drive anti Semitism out of Australia. But is it
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Speaker 1: just more rehtoric that's up after the break. Welcome back
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Speaker 1: to Steve Price with you. Rowan Dean come up at
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Speaker 1: the top of the hour. I want to have a
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Speaker 1: look at what the latest is with Donald Trump. He's
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Speaker 1: back in the United States. He managed to get to Davos.
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Speaker 1: The speech that he gave was pretty long winded, but
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Speaker 1: I think he made it pretty clear that he's not
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Speaker 1: happy with what the Europeans are actually doing in defense
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Speaker 1: of their own patch. You think by now we'd be
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Speaker 1: used to all that volatility, particularly when it comes to
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Speaker 1: foreign policy. So Greenland, for example, Europe and the world
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Speaker 1: were worried that he was going to perhaps invade Greenland.
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Speaker 1: The President could forcibly move in. We now know that
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Speaker 1: is not going to happen. In fact, the deal he's
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Speaker 1: landed on Greenland looks set to strengthen those US defenses strategically.
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Speaker 1: Timothy Lynch is a senior lecturer in foreign policy from
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Speaker 1: the University of Melbourne. Joins me. Now, great to see you, Tim,
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Speaker 1: Thank you you would not want to. You wouldn't want
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Speaker 1: to predict what Donald Trump's going to do. Where do
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Speaker 1: you think this Greenland deal has landed? Well? It serves his.
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Speaker 10: Consistent purpose of throwing everything up into the air and
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Speaker 10: seeing where it lands, and the ancillary ambition to to
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Speaker 10: cause confusion amongst his alliance partners and he it's a
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Speaker 10: it's amazing to me, Steve, how he really, without huge
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Speaker 10: amount of effort or coordination, he's able to pull this
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Speaker 10: off and and win.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's very.
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Speaker 10: Difficult to see his behavior in Switzerland over the last
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Speaker 10: couple of days as anything other than pure Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Which delivers wins for him.
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Speaker 10: And the collective expert class in Davos doesn't have a
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Speaker 10: very good way of countering this.
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Speaker 1: You'd have thought, in.
20:58
Speaker 10: The in the in the now, into the second half
21:01
Speaker 10: of the Trump era, some of these very clever politicians
21:04
Speaker 10: would have found a way to deal with him, and
21:08
Speaker 10: they really haven't. There is fractice amongst themselves, despite their
21:12
Speaker 10: protestations that are all coming together as middle powers to
21:15
Speaker 10: balance against him, and Trump keeps establishing the vocabulary of
21:20
Speaker 10: what global politics is. It's an extraordinary act and one
21:23
Speaker 10: that his allies lit alone. His opponents have been unable
21:28
Speaker 10: to suss out team.
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Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's about much more, you know, serious
21:35
Speaker 1: and important things. But it's Donald Trump the deal maker.
21:39
Speaker 1: I mean in essence that you know, it's like putting
21:43
Speaker 1: in a low ball offer for a piece of real estate,
21:46
Speaker 1: threatening to walk away, and then always knowing that eventually
21:50
Speaker 1: or at some point you are going to pay a
21:53
Speaker 1: lot more. That's the way he seems to handle these things.
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Speaker 10: Yes, it's not more complicated than that. I think we
22:00
Speaker 10: keep trying to look for some subtle nuance to explain
22:03
Speaker 10: his behavior. He understands the world in very realist it's
22:07
Speaker 10: an overused word, but transactional terms. Look at his real
22:10
Speaker 10: estate empire that he built in New York.
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Speaker 1: It was the.
22:12
Speaker 10: Platform not just for his the great wealth and the
22:16
Speaker 10: independence that world wealth gave him to run for office.
22:19
Speaker 10: It was also his training in human nature. I mean,
22:22
Speaker 10: he understands how to press people's buttons. I think importantly, Steve,
22:25
Speaker 10: he understands power coming from land. This is something that
22:30
Speaker 10: we've lost. We think land is a problem in Australia.
22:33
Speaker 10: We're always seeking to apologize for land that we've acquired.
22:36
Speaker 10: The European Union is predicated on international law, not on
22:40
Speaker 10: land grabs, which is why the EU has been so
22:43
Speaker 10: singularly incapable of challenging Vladimir Putin, who does think in
22:48
Speaker 10: terms of territory of terror firma well. Trump is very
22:51
Speaker 10: much the same, and he sees Greenland not as a projection.
22:55
Speaker 10: I don't think of America's imperial power, but as a
22:58
Speaker 10: really important piece of real estas and he gets that,
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Speaker 10: and we don't have a way of countering that because
23:05
Speaker 10: we think in high folutent ways about middle power diplomacy
23:09
Speaker 10: and international law and inclusive governance. And Trump continues to
23:13
Speaker 10: steal a march on those middle powers because of their
23:16
Speaker 10: basic failure.
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Speaker 1: And Timodi also understands is one the power of the
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Speaker 1: US military and two the power of the US economy,
23:27
Speaker 1: because he says, look, if you don't do that, then
23:31
Speaker 1: I'm going to mess with your economy. And if you
23:34
Speaker 1: miss with me, you'll get an aircraft carrier battle group
23:38
Speaker 1: in your backyard pretty quickly.
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Speaker 10: Yes, I mean, it's classic power politics. And if you've
23:44
Speaker 10: got men under arms, missiles at your command, and the
23:49
Speaker 10: world's biggest economy, it gives you a huge amount of
23:53
Speaker 10: room for maneuver, and I suppose what you end up
23:55
Speaker 10: doing is forcing your allies into a degree of sycophancy,
23:59
Speaker 10: which they dressing up as clever middle middle power diplomacy.
24:03
Speaker 10: And he put the fear of God into opponents Iran.
24:06
Speaker 10: He is he is establishing both a dialogue track when
24:11
Speaker 10: it comes to the Mullers and also being this this
24:15
Speaker 10: trap act is backed up by the deployment of significant
24:18
Speaker 10: military force into the Mediterranean. This is old school diplomacy.
24:22
Speaker 10: It's kind of we need a Napoleon or Andrew Jackson,
24:25
Speaker 10: the guy that Trump models his much of his foreign
24:28
Speaker 10: policy on, to try and understand this. And we're just
24:32
Speaker 10: not schooled anymore in this kind of in this kind
24:34
Speaker 10: of history. We think we've gotten over it. And where
24:38
Speaker 10: we're advocates of a rules based order, well, the rules
24:43
Speaker 10: are made by the man with the most power, and
24:45
Speaker 10: in the current moment that's Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: To your to that very point, you're a very good
24:52
Speaker 1: piece in Australia today. You argue that his nationalism actually
24:55
Speaker 1: clashes with Europe's rule by expert system, and you make
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Speaker 1: the point that you know, borders and national interests still
25:03
Speaker 1: matter more than the global ideals. I mean that's where
25:07
Speaker 1: we're at with this guy. And the other thing we
25:10
Speaker 1: have to remember. I mean, this is term two for him.
25:13
Speaker 1: I mean he knows, you know, probably deep down he
25:16
Speaker 1: knows that this is it. He's got three more years
25:19
Speaker 1: and he's going to shape the world in the shape
25:21
Speaker 1: that he believes it should be in.
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Speaker 10: Yes, he is at that stage of the cycle, the
25:29
Speaker 10: presidential cycle, which is quite common. It's the second term.
25:33
Speaker 10: There aren't many good examples of second terms going well.
25:36
Speaker 10: He knows he's got less than three years in the office.
25:38
Speaker 10: He's eighty in June, and he will be the oldest
25:41
Speaker 10: man with this much power in world history, let me suggest.
25:46
Speaker 10: And he knows his time is limited. He went hard
25:49
Speaker 10: in that first year.
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Speaker 1: It was just.
25:52
Speaker 10: A storm of executive orders, of throwing things up in
25:55
Speaker 10: the air. I thought he would peak in that first year. Instead,
26:00
Speaker 10: he's continued the peace. He's moved it away from from
26:05
Speaker 10: domestic politics, even though he's running hard on Marty places
26:08
Speaker 10: like Minneapolis, and has extended it to the world. This
26:11
Speaker 10: is a guy who we always assume he's going to
26:13
Speaker 10: run out of energy, and hasn't. But the lesson of
26:19
Speaker 10: history is that all second terms fade if they're not.
26:24
Speaker 10: If they're not, they don't ended some sort of crisis.
26:27
Speaker 10: If he's able to butck that trend, he will earn
26:30
Speaker 10: an even bigger place in history than the one he's
26:32
Speaker 10: already written for himself.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a lot of regard for the European leaders.
26:39
Speaker 1: And you know your point about the fact that Putin
26:43
Speaker 1: realizes that, you know, land is important and he wants
26:46
Speaker 1: to re establish the old uss R and get more
26:49
Speaker 1: land back, and Trump's similar to him in that regard.
26:53
Speaker 1: So maybe that's one reason, you know, why the two
26:56
Speaker 1: of them seem to get on, and why Donald Trump's
27:00
Speaker 1: he not a massive fan of vto Zelinsky in Ukraine.
27:04
Speaker 10: Yes, I think there's something to that. I mean, I
27:06
Speaker 10: think the analogy between Putin and Trump starts to break down,
27:10
Speaker 10: but it's important in this respect. They are both very
27:13
Speaker 10: ardent nationalists, and they see their national interests in territorial terms.
27:18
Speaker 10: The experience of Europe, of course, in the Second World
27:22
Speaker 10: War was how far nationalism brought that continent to ruin.
27:26
Speaker 10: So they developed quite explicitly a system of governance where
27:31
Speaker 10: technocrats rather than nationalists, where experts rather than ideologues would
27:36
Speaker 10: have power. Trump is a reversion back to that rather
27:40
Speaker 10: nineteen thirties emphasis that power and the projection of power
27:44
Speaker 10: is about the acquisition of land. I think Trump is
27:47
Speaker 10: not a dictator in Putin's terms, but he shares with
27:52
Speaker 10: the Russian leader a concern with establishing power through the
27:57
Speaker 10: acquisition of territory. And again I'll say that European leaders
28:01
Speaker 10: just don't have a vocabulary of resistance to this old
28:05
Speaker 10: this restoration of a very old formula of great power politics.
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Speaker 1: It's a fascinating thing to watch. Timothy Lynch, I really
28:15
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us tonight. Thank you very much. Thank you.
28:17
Speaker 1: Now I want to go back to the service last
28:19
Speaker 1: night at Sydney Opera House. It was very poignant the
28:23
Speaker 1: reflection of the Jewish community there, hosted by our very
28:27
Speaker 1: own of course, Shari Markson. This has followed the National
28:30
Speaker 1: Day of mourning those fifteen people killed at Bondi in December.
28:34
Speaker 1: The Prime Minister used it to express his sincere sorrow
28:38
Speaker 1: and he once again apologized to the Jewish community. Tragically.
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Speaker 11: We are gathered here tonight because on the fourteenth of December,
28:48
Speaker 11: everything changed, and for that I am sorry. I am
28:54
Speaker 11: deeply and profoundly sorry. That we could not protect your
28:58
Speaker 11: love once from This.
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Speaker 1: Was a long time coming. I mean, at least he
29:04
Speaker 1: has now said sorry. Former Queensland Liberal premier Sky News
29:07
Speaker 1: Friday Night regular Campbell Newman, good to see you. Happy
29:10
Speaker 1: New Year to you, Campbell, too little, too late from
29:13
Speaker 1: the PM.
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Speaker 12: Definitely Steve and Goat to be back with you in
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Speaker 12: twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:19
Speaker 12: Look, look, look he's made the apology and that was
29:23
Speaker 12: desperately needed for if you like the whole feeling of
29:30
Speaker 12: being a Jewish Australian.
29:31
Speaker 8: I think at the marth so that needed to happen.
29:34
Speaker 12: Let's hope that we see practical action now, even before
29:38
Speaker 12: the Royal Commissions ended to ensure that Jewish people in
29:42
Speaker 12: Australia are protected.
29:46
Speaker 1: But I wonder what you can do. I mean, we
29:47
Speaker 1: had an absolutely appalling incident in Melbourne during the week
29:53
Speaker 1: where there were five young Jewish boys in Elstonwick near
29:57
Speaker 1: the ad Ass Synagogue that was fired by They were
30:01
Speaker 1: going home from school. It was just on dusk and
30:03
Speaker 1: they were obviously wearing Jewish clothing and two blokes in
30:09
Speaker 1: a white ute turned up, did a U turn, almost
30:13
Speaker 1: ran one of these kids over and they were shouting
30:15
Speaker 1: out Heyle Hitler and doing Nazi salutes. I mean, how
30:19
Speaker 1: does a complicated piece of legislation, it passed in camera
30:24
Speaker 1: stop that happening.
30:27
Speaker 12: Well, I guess that'd be one of my points, Steve,
30:30
Speaker 12: in that we have plenty of laws in our statute books.
30:33
Speaker 12: I totally reject what happened in Canberra this week in
30:36
Speaker 12: terms of those new laws. They weren't needed, and indeed
30:40
Speaker 12: it's a really disturbing chapter in the life of this nation.
30:44
Speaker 12: I think it's a step on the way to tyranny.
30:47
Speaker 12: But just to properly answer your question, there are plenty
30:49
Speaker 12: of laws on the statute books. Just as when I
30:53
Speaker 12: was premier and I had to go after Biky gangs
30:56
Speaker 12: at the time, we passed some fairly tough legislation which
31:01
Speaker 12: did have sunset causes, by the way, But as I
31:04
Speaker 12: reflected in the ten years since, that wasn't required. What
31:08
Speaker 12: was required to do with Biki gangs was the same
31:11
Speaker 12: medicine that was required to deal with anti Semitism and
31:13
Speaker 12: these sorts of ugly incidents. And that is political will,
31:17
Speaker 12: the political will to call it out in the beginning,
31:19
Speaker 12: the political will to kick the police up the backside
31:23
Speaker 12: and get them to do their job properly. And there
31:27
Speaker 12: have been so many moments in the last two and
31:29
Speaker 12: a bit years where police allowed protests to happen while
31:34
Speaker 12: arresting the loan Jewish person or person waving the Israeli flag.
31:38
Speaker 12: All that sort of stuff adds up, Steve. But if
31:41
Speaker 12: the police and the security services, as your example for example,
31:46
Speaker 12: are doing their job properly, we will nip this in
31:49
Speaker 12: the bud.
31:52
Speaker 1: As a proud Australian and a proud Queenslanda. What did
31:57
Speaker 1: you make of the side of snipers on the roof
31:59
Speaker 1: of the opera last night?
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Speaker 12: Gee, Steve, is this the way we're going to live
32:05
Speaker 12: going forward? I really really hope not. And I want
32:10
Speaker 12: to say this evening that again my view about what
32:13
Speaker 12: happened at Bondi, the atmosphere, the environment was created by
32:17
Speaker 12: the inaction of federal and state leaders over a two
32:21
Speaker 12: year period. That's very clear to me. But I'm going
32:24
Speaker 12: to say this evening that one of the reasons we've
32:27
Speaker 12: seen this political response from the government and the laws
32:30
Speaker 12: passed is more about protecting those who didn't perform.
32:34
Speaker 2: And deal with it.
32:35
Speaker 12: It's like, why did those guys get their hands on guns?
32:39
Speaker 12: Even though one of them was on a watch list.
32:43
Speaker 12: I mean, I could go on the police and people
32:48
Speaker 12: in Asia need to do a better job. And that's
32:51
Speaker 12: what I'd be pushing if I was in politics and
32:54
Speaker 12: in government right now.
32:57
Speaker 1: Cannil I bumped into a former I won't name him,
33:00
Speaker 1: senior Federal Liberal last week, it might have been the
33:04
Speaker 1: week before, and he said to we were talking about
33:08
Speaker 1: the Liberal leadership and I rose the name of Josh
33:12
Speaker 1: Fridenberg and this senior Liberal and your head's going to
33:16
Speaker 1: swell here, said to me, I think Josh may have
33:19
Speaker 1: just had his Campbell Newman moment, obviously referring to the
33:23
Speaker 1: fact that you were made leader before you had a seat.
33:27
Speaker 1: So I said, I hope so, because I mean when
33:29
Speaker 1: you look at way Josh Fridenberg handled himself post the
33:32
Speaker 1: Bondi terror attack and even during the anti Semitism problems
33:37
Speaker 1: the country was dealing with when he did the documentary
33:40
Speaker 1: for Sky. That's the sort of leader we need, surely
33:43
Speaker 1: in Canberra in charge of the Liberals.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think he certainly has the force of personality
33:52
Speaker 12: in the character and the standing to do that. That's
33:56
Speaker 12: a matter for the Liberal Party, but one of the
33:59
Speaker 12: big I would be putting forward for him is can
34:03
Speaker 12: he appreciate that what the National Party did the other day.
34:09
Speaker 12: I'm not talking about bailing out of the coalition agreement
34:13
Speaker 12: and calling on Lee to go. That's not appropriate in
34:18
Speaker 12: my opinion, but what they felt they had to do
34:21
Speaker 12: and I support, which was to vote against this odious legislation.
34:26
Speaker 12: Is Josh Freedenberg capable of understanding, respecting and being able
34:30
Speaker 12: to pull them back into the fold. That's the big
34:33
Speaker 12: issue right now. I would hope that he is, and
34:36
Speaker 12: I think you know, of all the people out there,
34:39
Speaker 12: he could do it. It does concern me a bit though,
34:42
Speaker 12: that he's more of the left and they are bleeding
34:45
Speaker 12: votes to people like Pauline Hanson and One Nation and
34:51
Speaker 12: to other minor parties like the Libertarian Party, which I'm
34:53
Speaker 12: a member of. And it's because people feel let down
34:57
Speaker 12: and dismayed by the Liberal Party, and the events of
34:59
Speaker 12: this w really cement that I cannot believe that the
35:04
Speaker 12: Liberal Party supported that legislation these other people. This is
35:08
Speaker 12: the party who going back some years was debating getting
35:12
Speaker 12: rid of eight and C. So now they've gone completely
35:15
Speaker 12: one hundred and eighty degrees off in the other direction.
35:20
Speaker 1: Well, you've got a surging One Nation that you just mentioned,
35:23
Speaker 1: and you've got the Nats now the Nationals out there
35:26
Speaker 1: you know, on their own, uncoupled from the coalition. I mean,
35:29
Speaker 1: if you drop the S off the Nationals and for
35:32
Speaker 1: the national One Nation Party, can that happen? Yeah?
35:37
Speaker 12: Well, I'm not privy to their internal discussions, I'm sure,
35:42
Speaker 12: but you know people are talking about that as something
35:45
Speaker 12: could happen. But I think, you know, One Nation resurgeon
35:50
Speaker 12: or surging now. I think that prior to this the
35:54
Speaker 12: News poll federally had them at twenty two percent primary
35:58
Speaker 12: ahead of the coalition. I would say that after this
36:01
Speaker 12: they'll go to twenty five. And another thought that I
36:05
Speaker 12: give you this evening is there's now problems I think
36:08
Speaker 12: for David Christop fully the LMP and queens And because
36:11
Speaker 12: you know, if that's the national primary for the One
36:15
Speaker 12: Nation Party, there are seats in Queensland they'll be doing
36:18
Speaker 12: much better than that and they could come in ahead
36:20
Speaker 12: of LNP members of Parliament at the next state election.
36:24
Speaker 12: So does that mean there might have to be a
36:26
Speaker 12: coalition government in Queensland LLNP and One Nation. I think
36:31
Speaker 12: that's actually something that could be on the cards if
36:35
Speaker 12: things remain this way.
36:39
Speaker 1: Fascinating times. I mean, what happens to federal LMP members
36:43
Speaker 1: in Queensland now that the coalition split? What do they do? Oh?
36:49
Speaker 12: Well, that's really difficult, just very quickly for viewers to understand.
36:55
Speaker 12: I mean, they're members of the LNP in Queensland, but
36:58
Speaker 12: then they have sort of got an arrangement where they
37:00
Speaker 12: nominate to be in either the Libs or the Nats
37:04
Speaker 12: when they go to Canberra. So you've got people like
37:06
Speaker 12: Matt Canavan who's LNP but he's in the National Party
37:09
Speaker 12: sort of party room, someone like some of the other
37:13
Speaker 12: senators who will be then sitting his Libs. So you know,
37:19
Speaker 12: it comes home to roost in Queensland. How are they
37:22
Speaker 12: going to sit side by side at the next state conference?
37:26
Speaker 12: The LNP has been a successful sort of wedding political
37:31
Speaker 12: terms here in Queensland, but can it be sustained going
37:35
Speaker 12: forward after what's just happened.
37:39
Speaker 1: Just briefly in the last ten seconds, we've got what
37:41
Speaker 1: did you make of the uncoupling of the gun laws
37:44
Speaker 1: and what's going to happen with gun laws in the
37:46
Speaker 1: country Because there's a number of states that just simply
37:49
Speaker 1: don't agree with it.
37:51
Speaker 12: Well, I don't agree with it. I think it's outrageous
37:53
Speaker 12: what's going on. The guns may have been the instruments
37:58
Speaker 12: of that terrible outrage at Bondi, but they're in the
38:02
Speaker 12: hands of people who would have killed, whether it be
38:05
Speaker 12: driving a vehicle or using a knife or homemade explosive
38:09
Speaker 12: or whatever. They will always find a way. And where
38:11
Speaker 12: we're going in this country, the only people will have guns,
38:13
Speaker 12: mark my words, will be the police, the ADF and
38:18
Speaker 12: either criminals who have no trouble getting guns and want
38:22
Speaker 12: to be terrorists. That's the bottom line, Steve. People who
38:25
Speaker 12: want to do bad, evil things will always find a way,
38:29
Speaker 12: and we've got tough gun laws in this country. They
38:32
Speaker 12: didn't need to be changed and that was just a
38:34
Speaker 12: political tactic by our Prime Minister in the aftermath of Bondi,
38:38
Speaker 12: desperately trying to change the narrative.
38:43
Speaker 1: Great to have you back with us on a Friday
38:45
Speaker 1: night game. We'll good on you mate, I'll took to
38:46
Speaker 1: you next week coming up after the break. Can your
38:48
Speaker 1: poll showing a surge and support for Australia Day, Can
38:52
Speaker 1: you believe it among young people? My panel will join
38:55
Speaker 1: me next I'll get their opinion on my idea of
38:58
Speaker 1: turning Australia Day into a day of tribute to all
39:01
Speaker 1: Australia's great volunteers. Welcome back now. New polling has shown
39:11
Speaker 1: that a majority of Australians want our leaders to stop
39:15
Speaker 1: re litigating historical grievances about Australia Day, reject the visit
39:19
Speaker 1: of identity politics, and refocus on unity. I mean, I
39:22
Speaker 1: made the point earlier in the program that I think
39:24
Speaker 1: Australia Day on the twenty sixth of January is savable.
39:28
Speaker 1: But I think one of the things we should do
39:30
Speaker 1: is make it very positive that we pay tribute to
39:33
Speaker 1: the great volunteers around our nation, around our country. I mean,
39:37
Speaker 1: just in the past week and a bit in Victoria
39:40
Speaker 1: in particular, you've seen the fibergade, the rural fibrigade, the
39:46
Speaker 1: cfs just stretched to the point where they were putting
39:49
Speaker 1: out bushfires while their own homes burnt down. And then
39:52
Speaker 1: a week ago today you had a flash flood on
39:55
Speaker 1: the Southwest coast and people had to be rescued from
39:58
Speaker 1: floodbaders by the sea. So what about doing that? Our
40:02
Speaker 1: Friday Night panel joins me our Gemetonyuni from GT Communications
40:06
Speaker 1: and of course our old mats go On News contributor
40:08
Speaker 1: Joe Hildebrand. Great to see you both, ali Va. If
40:12
Speaker 1: most Australians, particularly younger ones, believe dwelling on the past
40:17
Speaker 1: is divide in the country, why can't the politicians understand
40:20
Speaker 1: that and try and make Australia they are much more
40:22
Speaker 1: positive experience for us all.
40:24
Speaker 13: I think there's a couple of genuine reasons they're pricing in.
40:27
Speaker 13: One of them is that we are governed by the
40:29
Speaker 13: biggest bunch of morons in living memory. And that's true.
40:32
Speaker 13: So if you talk about listening to the country, when
40:36
Speaker 13: have they demonstrated in the last period of government that
40:39
Speaker 13: they've actually actively listened to the community. And in the
40:41
Speaker 13: most immediate example of that is this Royal Commission into
40:45
Speaker 13: Anti Semitism. The government had to be dragged, kicking and
40:48
Speaker 13: screaming to that point. But another example about energy policy,
40:52
Speaker 13: for example, everybody knows that the government sorry that the
40:55
Speaker 13: populace broadly wants lower bills, wants the cleanest, greenest mix
40:59
Speaker 13: of energy that we can and deliver, but without plunging
41:01
Speaker 13: half the population into energy poverty and ruining the economy,
41:06
Speaker 13: but it just is dogmatic about its ideologies. I don't
41:10
Speaker 13: think we have a government that is prepared to genuinely
41:14
Speaker 13: listen and genuinely engage. It knows how to win and
41:17
Speaker 13: win at all costs, that's the labor mantra, but it
41:19
Speaker 13: doesn't know how to listen. And I don't think it.
41:21
Speaker 13: I don't think. First of all, I don't think it cares.
41:23
Speaker 13: But the electric hasn't given this government a reason to
41:26
Speaker 13: actually sit up and listen until BONDI.
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Speaker 1: Joe. It's a federal land state issue when you talk
41:33
Speaker 1: about a place like Victoria. I was talking to a
41:35
Speaker 1: sheep farmer last weekend and he said, look, I've just
41:38
Speaker 1: been through two years of drought. We've got fires burning
41:41
Speaker 1: in our community. I'm in the CFA, I have to
41:45
Speaker 1: go out on a fire truck. And at the same time,
41:47
Speaker 1: the Victorian labor government is continuing to tax us out
41:51
Speaker 1: of existence by putting on an emergency services levy that
41:54
Speaker 1: we all have to pay at some point. I mean seriously,
41:58
Speaker 1: I mean, I think jem is right in a seat
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Speaker 1: and it's that senior politicians of state and federal types
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Speaker 1: are out of touch.
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Speaker 14: Yeah. Look, I'm not sure if it's necessarily it's certainly
42:09
Speaker 14: not the federal government that is going after Australia Day.
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Speaker 14: It's basically the Greens. It's the same tide old activists
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Speaker 14: to jump up and down, and I can tell you
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Speaker 14: I'll let the cat out of the bag a bit.
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Speaker 14: But there's a story in Tomorrow's Saturday Telegraph that shows
42:23
Speaker 14: got new polling that shows that January twenty six has
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Speaker 14: a huge amount of support. I won't reveal it gone
42:29
Speaker 14: by the paper, but January twenty six has a huge
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Speaker 14: amount of support and the people who oppose it are
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Speaker 14: basically Greens voters and you know, inner city activist type.
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Speaker 14: So I think that tells you everything you need to know.
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Speaker 14: The amount of noise that you hear over a certain
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Speaker 14: issue is not the same thing as the amount.
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Speaker 1: Of support for it.
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Speaker 14: You know, the loudest people does not mean the most people.
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Speaker 14: So I think that's important to start with. I think
42:52
Speaker 14: it's great we should definitely have a day. I think
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Speaker 14: that celebrates volunteers. I think there's already something on the calendar,
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Speaker 14: but why not give people a day off as well.
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Speaker 14: I'm always in favor of that, But an Australia Day,
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Speaker 14: I think should be a day where we do look forward,
43:08
Speaker 14: but also you know, acknowledge our past. I love I
43:12
Speaker 14: love no Pearson's idea of having, you know, two Australia Days.
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Speaker 1: You sell.
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Speaker 14: On the twenty fifth you reflect on the vastness of
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Speaker 14: indigenous culture, and then on the twenty sixth you celebrate
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Speaker 14: the arrival of the Europeans and the migrants. I think
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Speaker 14: he even had a third day in there. That might
43:29
Speaker 14: be pushing it a bit, but you celebrate the migrant
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Speaker 14: country that we are, because you know, migrants to this
43:35
Speaker 14: kind don't.
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Speaker 13: Want a third day. We don't want a third day
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Speaker 13: speaking on behalf of my people.
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Speaker 14: We don't want to say no, no, no, I'm anyway.
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Speaker 1: I boat being migrant.
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Speaker 14: I did some work for the Australiaday Council years ago,
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Speaker 14: and the polling that they had showed that among people
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Speaker 14: from overseas, they absolutely love Australia Day. They feel so
43:53
Speaker 14: incredibly grateful to live here. And I think some of
43:56
Speaker 14: us can take it for granted. And I think a
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Speaker 14: lot of those people are out there jumping up and
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Speaker 14: down on January twenty sixth saying, you know, it's stolen
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Speaker 14: land and always was always yeah, but.
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Speaker 1: I mean tomorrow, tomorrow, Jimmy, we're going to have the
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Speaker 1: same tidle faces as the smoking ceremonies that welcome that country.
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Speaker 1: They've even got in Melbourne at Camp one of the
44:16
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Speaker 13: I mean these are the broad broadly speaking, as Joe said,
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44:38
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Speaker 13: this appropriation, I mean this is actually a bit shameless
44:44
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44:50
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44:57
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44:59
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45:09
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Speaker 1: Coming up now. A story that picked my interest. This
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Speaker 1: was in the Australian newspaper by Natasha Bitter talking about
49:12
Speaker 1: how student visas are being rult in. Natasha's been good
49:15
Speaker 1: enough to join us. Natasha, how's this happening? How are
49:18
Speaker 1: they actually routing this system in what way?
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Speaker 5: Well, Steve, they apply to attend a university in Australia
49:27
Speaker 5: because it's a relatively easy to get that visa. They
49:30
Speaker 5: will study for say six months, and then they'll drop
49:32
Speaker 5: out so they don't have to pay any more university
49:35
Speaker 5: fees and they either go and do a much cheaper
49:40
Speaker 5: vocational training course. Sometimes they're quite dodgy courses, or they
49:43
Speaker 5: might disappear altogether. And there seems to be a tendency
49:47
Speaker 5: to also apply for new visas and clog up the
49:52
Speaker 5: court system trying to get visas while they stay here.
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Speaker 1: You've done some great work on this. I mean, is
49:59
Speaker 1: there no way to someone who's in Australia on a
50:02
Speaker 1: less than permanent visa? Well, there should be.
50:08
Speaker 5: And I suppose QUT in Brisbane sort of let the
50:13
Speaker 5: cat out of the bag in its annual report last
50:15
Speaker 5: year and it said half of its newly recruited international
50:19
Speaker 5: students had vanished. And I didn't know where they'd gone,
50:22
Speaker 5: and so I asked a few universities or what's happening here,
50:25
Speaker 5: and they were blaming vocational courses, you know, say cooking
50:30
Speaker 5: courses or headdressing courses for poaching these students. But I
50:34
Speaker 5: do think it's quite a deliberate scam which is unfortunately
50:40
Speaker 5: affecting universities and you know the public.
50:45
Speaker 1: Have you managed to work out in all your research
50:49
Speaker 1: what sort of numbers we're talking about.
50:52
Speaker 5: Well, the Menzies Research said it did some number crunching
50:55
Speaker 5: on Federal Education Department data this week and they estimated
50:59
Speaker 5: it's about fifteen thousand students a year.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, if you've got a visa, you need
51:07
Speaker 1: a visa to get a bank account, don't you. So
51:09
Speaker 1: are a lot of these people being paid in cash?
51:11
Speaker 1: How's that word?
51:14
Speaker 8: Well?
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Speaker 5: I assume so. And the thing is that often these
51:17
Speaker 5: students are providing a valuable workforce which is needed, say
51:22
Speaker 5: in regional areas to pick fruit or coffee shops, love them,
51:27
Speaker 5: take away shops, cleaning, They're doing a lot of jobs
51:30
Speaker 5: that we can't get Australians to want to do. But
51:33
Speaker 5: the issue is it should be above board. It should
51:36
Speaker 5: be you know, it should be regulated. So I think
51:39
Speaker 5: it can some employers are cashing in on these students
51:43
Speaker 5: and exploiting them as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that doesn't surprise me. You see so many
51:49
Speaker 1: of those young people on those food delivery bikes. Natasha,
51:52
Speaker 1: sorry to cut it short, but I appreciate you coming
51:54
Speaker 1: and joining us tonight. Tasha a bit of there, who
51:56
Speaker 1: is the Education editor of The Australian. Well, as I've
51:59
Speaker 1: said during the program, we are at the start of
52:02
Speaker 1: the Australia Day long weekend. There'll be ceremonies in favor
52:05
Speaker 1: of Australia Day all around the country on Monday, but
52:07
Speaker 1: there will also be the normal protests. I just think
52:11
Speaker 1: the simple idea of honoring our volunteers, whether they be
52:14
Speaker 1: fireman or life savers. Yes, yes, I don't care who
52:17
Speaker 1: it is, but why don't we turn Australia Day, the
52:19
Speaker 1: twenty sixth of January into something that is absolutely a
52:23
Speaker 1: positive day. See you next week.