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- 0:00We are live with breaking news, disturbing news,
- 0:04we've got to warn you.
- 0:05This is, I have no words to be
- 0:09honest with you.
- 0:11Another shocker, a shocking new animal cruelty scandal
- 0:14has erupted involving milk suppliers to Fairlife, a
- 0:18billion dollar milk brand owned by Coca-Cola,
- 0:22sparking calls for a boycott.
- 0:24Animal Recovery Mission, Arm, has released gut wrenching
- 0:28footage from two Arizona dairy farms supplying milk
- 0:31to Fairlife.
- 0:33A six month Arm investigation found egregious and
- 0:36frequent animal cruelty with animals being hit, animals
- 0:41being dragged, animals being whipped, animals being shot,
- 0:45animals being shoved, animals being force-fed, and
- 0:49animals being chained at two Arizona farms.
- 0:54The video is gut-wrenching.
- 0:59I'm actually trying to process it as a
- 1:04human being.
- 1:06I can just say that watching this video
- 1:08made me cry and it made me embarrassed
- 1:10to be a member of the human race.
- 1:12We are here with Kudo, the founder of
- 1:16Animal Recovery Mission, who has made it his
- 1:19life work to expose animal cruelty.
- 1:23Kudo, first of all, kudos on this investigation.
- 1:27Tell us, we don't want to get into
- 1:30the names of the farms and the names
- 1:35of the families.
- 1:36It's Fairlife, it's Coca-Cola, we're going to
- 1:38read their statements in a second, but just
- 1:41tell us the first farm, which is the
- 1:43video that we saw there.
- 1:45Describe what you found and how you found
- 1:48it.
- 1:50Yeah, well, we've done undercover investigations on Coca
- 1:54-Cola on Fairlife since 2019.
- 1:56This is actually our seventh and eighth case.
- 1:59But this is a new plant for Coca
- 2:01-Cola in the greater Arizona area, in the
- 2:03Phoenix zone of the state.
- 2:06We wanted to see if the crimes were
- 2:08as upper level as they were in Texas
- 2:12and in Indiana and other parts of the
- 2:14country.
- 2:17A lot of stipulations have been in place
- 2:24since our 2019 investigation to make animal cruelty
- 2:29within the Fairlife and Coca-Cola corporations, quote
- 2:33-unquote, impossible.
- 2:35Okay, I can't hear you.
- 2:37We can't hear you.
- 2:38We can't hear you.
- 2:39You're breaking up.
- 2:40Actually affected probably the animals they're supplying animals
- 2:45were worse crimes we found in 2019.
- 2:50Yeah, well, I'm so sorry to tell you
- 2:53this.
- 2:54We're having trouble- And that $35 million
- 2:55were invested by Coke and Fairlife to, quote
- 2:59-unquote, bury the lives of the dairy cows
- 3:02within their supplying dairies.
- 3:05The cruelty was eight of 10, out of
- 3:10one in 10.
- 3:12We're seeing felony, we're talking- Okay.
- 3:19At that particular farm.
- 3:21Yeah.
- 3:22We're having trouble hearing you, by the way.
- 3:24I want to go to Shannon Keith.
- 3:28Shannon Blair.
- 3:29Shannon, you've been following this for a long
- 3:33time.
- 3:34What was your emotional reaction to the footage
- 3:38as it came up?
- 3:41Shane, I can barely watch this footage.
- 3:43I've been to so many places of violence
- 3:46and slaughterhouses, and when I first saw this,
- 3:49I couldn't get through it.
- 3:51I had a physical reaction and was being
- 3:54vocal because it was...
- 3:56They just pulled a fully conscious female cow
- 4:01over an eight-foot concrete wall by a
- 4:04chain around her neck.
- 4:06This is really difficult for anyone who has
- 4:10any type of feelings for other individuals to
- 4:13watch.
- 4:13It's sickening.
- 4:16And you have a son.
- 4:20What was his reaction?
- 4:21I know we're going to hear from him
- 4:22later.
- 4:23So we have, like you said, we've been
- 4:26following this for a long time, for over
- 4:28five years now.
- 4:29When this first was released in 2019, we
- 4:32were horrified.
- 4:33We had found out a few years earlier
- 4:36about the inherent cruelty of the dairy industry,
- 4:39but what we saw in the 2019 investigations
- 4:43was above that inherent cruelty.
- 4:46It was above and beyond anything that I
- 4:48could have possibly imagined.
- 4:50And now seeing this after what we had
- 4:54seen in the past, and then Coca-Cola
- 4:57saying that they were going to make sure
- 4:59that nothing like this had ever happened again,
- 5:01and they've put $40 million now since 2019
- 5:05into animal welfare standards.
- 5:07So now to see these investigations come out
- 5:10of 2024 investigations, I can't even believe it.
- 5:14I mean, this is a huge corporation.
- 5:17They say that they have audits happening constantly,
- 5:21third-party audits and their own audits.
- 5:23And I mean, how could this happen?
- 5:28My son was horrified.
- 5:29He's been speaking out against it since it
- 5:31happened.
- 5:32Everywhere we go, we've been telling people about
- 5:34it.
- 5:35Okay.
- 5:36I think we have Kudo back.
- 5:38I want to read some of the statements
- 5:42that Fairlife has made.
- 5:45We invite them on at any time to
- 5:47respond, but let's talk about the history of
- 5:53this and their responses.
- 5:55So first of all, there was an investigation,
- 5:59an undercover investigation conducted by you Kudo in
- 6:022019.
- 6:04It was released in 2019.
- 6:07And at that time, they said they were
- 6:10going to change.
- 6:12And then subsequently Coca-Cola bought Fairlife completely.
- 6:17So now Fairlife is completely owned by Coca
- 6:20-Cola.
- 6:20Correct me if I'm any mistakes.
- 6:22This is the statement that Fairlife gave in
- 6:28response to this most recent undercover investigation of
- 6:34yours.
- 6:34Let me read it and then hopefully get
- 6:36your response.
- 6:38Fairlife's response, we have zero tolerance for animal
- 6:41abuse and the supplier has suspended delivery of
- 6:45milk from these facilities.
- 6:47Fairlife does not own farms or cows and
- 6:49requires suppliers to follow stringent animal welfare standards.
- 6:54Your response to that.
- 6:56Again, they say they have suspended delivery of
- 7:01milk from these facilities.
- 7:02Your response, Kudo.
- 7:04Well, that's a pretty weak response from Fairlife.
- 7:09Suspending doesn't terminate, right?
- 7:11So they are planning on going back to
- 7:13that supplier.
- 7:14I would say very quickly.
- 7:16They possibly already have.
- 7:22They're being very, very careful with their language
- 7:25because now they know they are abusers and
- 7:29have gone into an industry that is cruelty
- 7:33by nature.
- 7:34There's no possible way to have, unfortunately, a
- 7:39cow dairy producing humane certified milk.
- 7:44It's just an impossibility.
- 7:45They now know that and they also now
- 7:47know that the animal recovery mission has their
- 7:50number, right?
- 7:51We know how to get undercover now in
- 7:53any of their facilities at any time.
- 7:55So they know that we are going to
- 7:57hammer them on a yearly basis and expose
- 8:00them.
- 8:02And whatever they do, whatever new policy they
- 8:08put in place for animal welfare, it's not
- 8:10going to work.
- 8:11And I think we showed that within this
- 8:14Arizona investigation.
- 8:17So I want to read a little bit
- 8:19more.
- 8:19And again, Fairlife is invited on at any
- 8:23time.
- 8:24We would love to get their response, further
- 8:27response.
- 8:27We would love to talk to representatives from
- 8:31Coca-Cola and we want to really show
- 8:36what their response to this situation is.
- 8:39So let me read a couple more statements
- 8:43that I got right off the Fairlife website.
- 8:48Here is the one that's been quoted most.
- 8:51We believe in better care for animals.
- 8:54Caring for animals is a top priority at
- 8:56Fairlife.
- 8:56It all begins with strong relationships with supplying
- 8:59farms.
- 9:00Our robust animal welfare programme is led by
- 9:03a full on-staff veterinarian and combines industry
- 9:07-leading standards with regular audits, strong oversight, and
- 9:12the expertise of a third-party animal advisory
- 9:15council consisting of leading experts in the dairy
- 9:20industry.
- 9:21Let's go continue.
- 9:22It doesn't end there.
- 9:23Animal Welfare Advisory Council.
- 9:26Fairlife's Animal Welfare Advisory Council consists of six
- 9:30of the top experts in the dairy and
- 9:32animal health industry.
- 9:33Together, this group works with Fairlife to review
- 9:36ongoing animal welfare programmes and guide advancement and
- 9:40improvement to our animal welfare programme based on
- 9:44new research and learnings.
- 9:46Industry-leading animal welfare standards.
- 9:49Our goal is that all cows and calves
- 9:50are provided with the best care possible.
- 9:53As a dairy processor that doesn't own farms
- 9:56or cows, we rely on the partnership of
- 9:58industry experts, advisors, and our network of supplying
- 10:02farms to help us achieve this goal.
- 10:04We are committed to continuously evaluating our animal
- 10:09welfare programme.
- 10:10That is their statement.
- 10:13Now, what I would like to do is
- 10:15play the video of your undercover investigation with
- 10:24sound.
- 10:26That's the statement of Fairlife.
- 10:28Here is the undercover investigation that you did,
- 10:31what, 2024, just a few months ago.
- 10:36By the way, those statements remain on their
- 10:39website right now.
- 10:42Okay.
- 11:01Top managers are using heavy machinery and electrocuting
- 11:04sick and in-labour mothers.
- 11:13In the milking parlour, mothers are beaten and
- 11:18whipped into the milking parlours.
- 11:26As punishment, their tails are snapped and broken
- 11:29in half.
- 11:34Fairlife calves are beaten, punched, dragged, whipped, then
- 11:37violently thrown into animal transports.
- 11:44In record numbers, dairy cows and cows are
- 11:47dying from abuse and neglect.
- 11:51So, let's go to Shannon first.
- 11:53You saw the statements from Fairlife, and again,
- 11:56we invite Fairlife and Coca-Cola on anytime,
- 11:58and then there's the video.
- 12:00What do you make of the discrepancy?
- 12:03I mean, it's a complete, it's fraudulent.
- 12:05It's a complete act.
- 12:07Nothing about it is real.
- 12:10They have to know because the dairy industry
- 12:12is inherently cruel, and then this is happening
- 12:15during every single investigation.
- 12:18So, it's obviously not isolated, and it's just
- 12:22laughable.
- 12:23The fact that they can feel okay with
- 12:26the name of the company and then putting
- 12:28those statements on the website, and like you
- 12:31said, they're still up there.
- 12:32It's unreal.
- 12:33They have no shame, and the fact that
- 12:36the mainstream media is not covering this is
- 12:38really, really disturbing.
- 12:42Yeah, we're getting a lot of comments, but
- 12:45as outraged as people are, Shannon, this remains
- 12:51perhaps the most successful milk company in the
- 12:54United States, according to a food dive.
- 12:59In 2024, Fairlife was the leading white milk
- 13:02brand in the United States, and they're apparently
- 13:06planning on opening a $650 million facility.
- 13:11Coca-Cola is expected to open a $650
- 13:14million facility in New York that will serve
- 13:17as Fairlife's flagship northeast location.
- 13:20So, they're not backing down and saying, yeah,
- 13:25dairy is inherently cruel.
- 13:27We're going to switch to plant-based, which
- 13:29could be done, and that's the obvious solution,
- 13:33whereas dairy is inherently cruel because you have
- 13:36to separate the mother and the baby, and
- 13:38they don't want to be separated, and whereas
- 13:42this is a dairy product, wherefore do the
- 13:47same exact thing with plant-based milk, soy
- 13:48milk, rice milk, hemp milk, almond milk, oat
- 13:51milk, the many, many milks that exist today.
- 13:57There has been so much outrage from people
- 14:03around the world over this latest scandal, is
- 14:08what I'd have to call it.
- 14:10Let's play some clips that are on social
- 14:12media.
- 14:13This is CSI actress Lena Esko reacting.
- 14:23In 2019, Animal Recovery Mission exposed Fairlife, owned
- 14:27by Coca-Cola, for their horrific animal abuse.
- 14:31Fairlife promised change.
- 14:33They lied.
- 14:34Arm just went undercover again, this time at
- 14:37dairy farms in Phoenix, Arizona, where milk is
- 14:40produced for Fairlife and Coca-Cola.
- 14:42Not only has nothing improved, but the torture
- 14:45has gotten worse.
- 14:46Please go to animalrecoverymission.org and sign the
- 14:50petition.
- 14:51Call and email the sheriff's office and Fairlife
- 14:53and demand justice now.
- 15:06So that last shot, Richard, you're saying that
- 15:10they dragged a cow over a fence by
- 15:14the neck.
- 15:17Describe that, because that was one of the
- 15:19ones that really just shook me to my
- 15:22core.
- 15:23Yeah, that was about an hour and a
- 15:27half worth of torture on that mother she
- 15:29was in labour in the milking parlour, and
- 15:32she couldn't walk because she was giving birth.
- 15:36They wanted her out of the milking parlour,
- 15:38so they dragged her across a slick floor
- 15:43by the neck, they chained her by the
- 15:45neck, and then elevated her by the neck
- 15:48over an eight-foot wall.
- 15:50They tortured her for about an hour after
- 15:52that, and then they shot her inhumanely in
- 15:54the back of the neck a few times
- 15:56and just let her lay.
- 15:58It took her a few hours, actually, to
- 15:59die, but that's very common in your Fairlife
- 16:03and Coca-Cola supplying dairies.
- 16:06It's what we saw in that facility time
- 16:09and time again, almost on a daily basis.
- 16:11It's just how they treated their animals.
- 16:14It's almost like policy at the Fairlife supplying
- 16:18dairies at this point.
- 16:20You know, the comments are people just expressing
- 16:26outrage, people who are watching this show on
- 16:29Facebook.
- 16:31I wonder if there's any perception, I mean,
- 16:36if the brand is growing, is that their
- 16:40criteria?
- 16:42Again, Coca-Cola and Fairlife on any time.
- 16:46I am emotionally devastated by having to edit
- 16:51this video.
- 16:52I don't even know how you edited the
- 16:54whole thing.
- 16:54I had to just take your clips, and
- 16:57my dogs, because I didn't have headsets on,
- 17:00were very agitated because they were hearing the
- 17:03moaning of the cows.
- 17:04I literally feel like I just can't even
- 17:12process that this is happening for a second,
- 17:17a second once, a second once.
- 17:21What does that say about our culture?
- 17:25What does that say about humanity as a
- 17:28species?
- 17:30What does that say about our values?
- 17:34That this is the number one, according to
- 17:37Food Dive, 2014, it was the leading white
- 17:41milk brand in the US.
- 17:44Now, I'm not the only one who's had
- 17:47these reactions.
- 17:48We're just going to play a couple of
- 17:50clips from social media stars, up-and-comers.
- 17:56We have an attorney.
- 17:58She is Angela Kim, and she's a social
- 18:02media attorney.
- 18:03She made this video and posted it.
- 18:05A new class action lawsuit was just filed
- 18:08against Coca-Cola for their brand Fairlife.
- 18:10The allegations are again for false advertising, and
- 18:13they boil down to the same issue.
- 18:14So rule of thumb, if a company tells
- 18:16you something about the product, it really has
- 18:19to be true, especially if it's a premium
- 18:21product that charges higher prices based on whatever
- 18:23they're telling you.
- 18:24Fairlife markets, based on giving their cows a
- 18:27fair life, explicitly says in their materials that
- 18:29they take better care of the animals that
- 18:31provide us milk.
- 18:32But this lawsuit is based on a 2024
- 18:34investigation by ARM, Animal Recovery Mission, and the
- 18:37pictures made me cry.
- 18:38I won't share them with you.
- 18:40They show horrifying abuse of cows that's applied
- 18:42to Fairlife, frequent flogging, beating, being trampled to
- 18:45death, denial of veterinary care, newborn cows being
- 18:47left to die.
- 18:48The allegations are that not only do they
- 18:50not provide a better life for their cows,
- 18:52they actually violate the industry standard of care,
- 18:54allegedly qualifying as even criminal animal cruelty.
- 18:57So class action settlements are not just about
- 18:59money.
- 19:00They also require the company to right whatever
- 19:02wrong was alleged in the first place, which
- 19:04means they either change their advertising promise, frankly
- 19:06they should change their name at this point,
- 19:08or improve their treatment of cows to a
- 19:10standard of care that is consistent with what
- 19:11they promised.
- 19:12Seemingly has not happened here.
- 19:14I will keep you posted.
- 19:15All right.
- 19:17Thank you, Angela Kim.
- 19:18That is just one.
- 19:19There were many, many examples of people talking
- 19:23about this, and she said it made her
- 19:24cry.
- 19:26I just felt so disoriented.
- 19:32How can this be happening?
- 19:33Now, look, let me just say this.
- 19:36I have several of these.
- 19:38I know exactly what's happening inside my home
- 19:40when I walk out the door.
- 19:43I also have a Furbo, which is a
- 19:45great product that actually follows my dogs, and
- 19:48I can hear it too.
- 19:49If they bark, I hear it.
- 19:51Now, these statements, this is what I want
- 19:54to get into.
- 19:55These statements that they spent something like $30
- 20:00million, according to Food Dive, in its annual
- 20:03stewardship report released in April, Fairlife said it
- 20:06had invested, along with its suppliers, nearly $30
- 20:09million in its animal welfare programme.
- 20:14Again, we showed the statements.
- 20:17I want to be very fair and show
- 20:20exactly what Fairlife is saying and Coca-Cola
- 20:23is saying.
- 20:24It also noted that its supplier farms undergo
- 20:28regular third-party audits, ensuring the highest levels
- 20:30of animal care and the highest quality products,
- 20:34end quote, the highest level of animal care.
- 20:38And you have a video of a cow
- 20:41being dragged by the neck over a wall
- 20:43and tails being broken and floggings.
- 20:49Now, this is a very cheap item.
- 20:52I have several of them.
- 20:55I can see, and there's plenty of them
- 20:58where you can hear and everything else, okay?
- 21:03It doesn't add up, $30 million, and that's
- 21:07happening not once.
- 21:09But, Kudo, are you saying that this was
- 21:12regular standard operating procedure, and was it just
- 21:16low-level employees?
- 21:19No, this was the top-level management, right
- 21:22under the owners.
- 21:24The cameras that you held up, they had
- 21:26cameras throughout the dairy.
- 21:29They adhered to all of the policies put
- 21:32in place, forced by Coca-Cola and Fairlife.
- 21:37But it just goes to show you that
- 21:39in the dairy industry, in the dairy environment,
- 21:42in a farm-like setting, in a dairy,
- 21:46cruelty is just everywhere, and it is impossible
- 21:49to steer away from it.
- 21:51Part of the problem is, with those cameras,
- 21:53the same people that were doing the abusing
- 21:55on a felony level, killing the animals inhumanely,
- 21:59were the same ones that were monitoring those
- 22:02camera systems, right?
- 22:03They were the people that were conducting the
- 22:06training for the new higher, lower-tier dairy
- 22:11worker.
- 22:14So, I will say that whatever Fairlife and
- 22:20Coca-Cola do for the future, it will
- 22:24not change the abuse in any of their
- 22:27supplying dairies, and I will put anything I
- 22:31have on that statement, that whatever dairy that
- 22:35the Animal Recovery Mission goes undercover in the
- 22:38future at Fairlife, and we're going to do
- 22:40it again, and I know the Fairlife and
- 22:43Coca-Cola attorneys are watching this, but we
- 22:46have your number.
- 22:48So, we'll be back, and the same type
- 22:50of is going to be shown again, over
- 22:53and over and over.
- 22:54Why?
- 22:55Well, because it's the dairy industry.
- 22:57Right.
- 22:57That's your prediction, and I would invite anybody
- 23:01from Coca-Cola and Fairlife, I would love
- 23:04to dialogue with you.
- 23:07Is there a win-win out of this
- 23:09situation, when we're in the 21st century, and
- 23:13we have soy milk, oat milk, almond milk,
- 23:15rice milk, hemp milk, cashew milk, all of
- 23:20these different kinds of milks, what is stopping,
- 23:23and by the way, zero-cholesterol milks, when
- 23:26they're plant-based, what is stopping a transition
- 23:29to something, if indeed, Rich Kudo is correct,
- 23:34and again, those are his allegations, and we
- 23:36would invite you on any time, if indeed,
- 23:39his allegations are correct, that there's basically no
- 23:42nice way to, on a large scale, take
- 23:48milk from mother cows and feed that to
- 23:52people while removing the calves, because otherwise they
- 23:56would drink the milk that nature intended for
- 23:58them.
- 23:58If there's no nice way to do that,
- 24:01why do it?
- 24:01Why not switch?
- 24:02It's the 21st century.
- 24:04This is a question that I put out
- 24:06to whoever is watching this from the industry.
- 24:15We invite anybody from the industry on any
- 24:17time.
- 24:18We would love to dialogue with you, and
- 24:20again, we are showing the statements that you
- 24:24have issued publicly and that are still on
- 24:26your website, so I see that we have
- 24:30a young social media influencer who's known as
- 24:32Vegan Evan, the son of Shannon Blair here.
- 24:38Hi, Vegan Evan.
- 24:39Hello.
- 24:40I just want to get your emotional reaction
- 24:43as, how old are you now?
- 24:44I'm 14.
- 24:46Okay, and come up and speak up, please,
- 24:48my dear.
- 24:49What was your emotional reaction to seeing the
- 24:53video?
- 24:54I mean, I've seen plenty of videos of
- 24:57footage from the dairy industry, which is always
- 25:00cruel.
- 25:01The dairy industry is inherently cruel, and this
- 25:05just being a step further, while they have
- 25:08so many statements about how great their care
- 25:11for these animals is, it's very appalling and
- 25:15disturbing, and these animals, they want to have
- 25:22a happy life just like we do.
- 25:25They want to be safe, not abused and
- 25:28tortured and having their babies ripped away from
- 25:30them, and it's just so gross when you
- 25:34think about it.
- 25:35We're not made to be drinking another species
- 25:38milk made for their babies.
- 25:41As infants, we're supposed to drink our mother's
- 25:44milk, just like every other mammal.
- 25:47These mother cows have to carry their babies
- 25:50for about nine months, about the same as
- 25:52a human, and when they give birth, pretty
- 25:56much right away, the baby is taken away
- 25:58from them, just so humans can steal the
- 26:01milk, and when they can't make milk anymore
- 26:04or not as much that's not as profitable,
- 26:07they're discarded like trash, and they're treated as
- 26:10commodities when they're sentient beings.
- 26:13Coca-Cola, as far as I see it,
- 26:15does not belong in the dairy industry, and
- 26:17if they do feel like they belong in
- 26:19the dairy industry, they need to transition to
- 26:22plant-based milks and alternatives.
- 26:26Very well said from a 14-year-old
- 26:30who sounds like you could be running for
- 26:32public office, and I know there have been
- 26:35protests outside Fair Life headquarters.
- 26:39I want to play some clips of Vegan
- 26:42Evan speaking there, as well as his mother.
- 26:46You guys, this was not so long ago.
- 26:48This was very recent when Vegan Evan spoke,
- 26:53and I believe this was Chicago, and it
- 26:57needs to stop, especially under Coca-Cola.
- 27:00Coca-Cola has no business in the dairy
- 27:01industry.
- 27:02Coca-Cola makes great drinks that taste great,
- 27:05that don't require a race to exist.
- 27:08This is awful.
- 27:09This is unnecessary.
- 27:11It's violent.
- 27:12It's cruel, and we need Coca-Cola to
- 27:14cut ties with the dairy industry or switch
- 27:17to plant-based milks, because that's what the
- 27:19future is.
- 27:21It's their bodies!
- 27:22Their lives!
- 27:25Their babies!
- 27:28They don't want to live!
- 27:30Just like us!
- 27:31They want to be free!
- 27:32Just like us!
- 27:33They don't want to be physically impregnated!
- 27:36Just like us!
- 27:38They don't want to have their babies ripped
- 27:39away from them!
- 27:40Just like us!
- 27:41The babies don't want to be ripped away
- 27:43from their mothers!
- 27:43Just like us!
- 27:45Within seconds of birth, they do not want
- 27:47to be ripped away from their mothers!
- 27:49Just like us!
- 27:52So, Richard, you were there at that protest,
- 27:56as well.
- 27:57Did you get the sense that it was
- 27:58having any impact?
- 28:00Did any executives see this coming in and
- 28:02out?
- 28:02I saw the big Fair Life sign there.
- 28:05Yeah, I think the Fair Life executives now
- 28:07are just burying their heads, locking themselves in
- 28:10closets, when something like this transpires.
- 28:12When we go public with another investigation, their
- 28:16policy now is to not comment.
- 28:19And in part, what that's doing is lessening
- 28:24the negative press on their new label, Fair
- 28:29Life Milk.
- 28:30But they're just not coming out of their
- 28:32buildings.
- 28:33And they're hoping and praying that this subsides
- 28:37very, very quickly and things go back to
- 28:40normal.
- 28:41And that is the problem.
- 28:45I mean, part of the reason why some
- 28:47of the larger networks haven't run negative stories,
- 28:49well, the truth behind the Fair Life scandal
- 28:53is because Coca-Cola is the sixth largest
- 28:56corporation on planet Earth.
- 28:58They spend a lot on advertising, and they're
- 29:00using that and putting it over some of
- 29:03the larger networks, NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox News.
- 29:06But I have to jump in here and
- 29:10say, this is your opinion.
- 29:13I was in the mainstream media for many
- 29:15years.
- 29:15And I agree, advertiser-based media, advertised-based
- 29:19media, anybody who's on a major network, all
- 29:25you have to do is see the commercials
- 29:26to understand that ultimately, the commercials keep the
- 29:29lights on.
- 29:30But we certainly can't make accusations against specific
- 29:33networks.
- 29:35So I'm gonna stop you right there.
- 29:37But I wanna get back to what Shannon
- 29:39Blair said.
- 29:42And you also attended that demonstration.
- 29:45So let's hear you and the speech you
- 29:48gave, and then talk a little bit about
- 29:49what you observed and what the reaction has
- 29:53been in your opinion.
- 29:56I have three children, three beautiful babies who
- 30:02are my entire world.
- 30:04My oldest is here with me today.
- 30:08I could never imagine having my babies ripped
- 30:15away from me and not being able to
- 30:18do anything about it.
- 30:20I've been to so many dairy farms.
- 30:22They're the worst places on this planet.
- 30:28Female animals are held captive against their will
- 30:31and forcibly impregnated over and over again.
- 30:36Each time they carry their baby for nine
- 30:38months, just like a human female.
- 30:41The day that their precious baby is born,
- 30:44he or she is violently ripped away from
- 30:46their mother so that we can steal her
- 30:49breast milk.
- 30:51The dairy industry is inherently cruel.
- 30:55The dairy industry rips babies away from their
- 30:58mothers and steals their breast milk.
- 31:00That is what it is.
- 31:02But what we've seen in these three undercover
- 31:07investigations is far beyond that inherent cruelty.
- 31:15This is the most horrific abuse in the
- 31:18history of the dairy industry caught on film
- 31:21in the United States.
- 31:23They're all connected to Coca-Cola's unfair life
- 31:30plan.
- 31:32This is so shameful, and we cannot let
- 31:35them get away with this again.
- 31:40Wow.
- 31:42Wow.
- 31:42Again, I invite any industry executive, whether it's
- 31:48the suppliers, whether it's Coca-Cola, whether it's
- 31:51Fair Life, I invite you on.
- 31:55I want to dialogue with you because anything
- 32:01I could do, anything I could do as
- 32:03a human being to not have to go
- 32:06through just what I went through watching this
- 32:09and just watching it to upload it so
- 32:13that we could show clips.
- 32:15I'm shaken.
- 32:16I am shaken today.
- 32:17I've been a reporter for more than 30
- 32:19years.
- 32:19I've covered some of the most horrific crimes
- 32:21in the last 30 plus years.
- 32:26I'm shaken.
- 32:28I've cried.
- 32:29And I don't, I'm beyond just, it's not
- 32:34anger.
- 32:34It's just, what is a human being?
- 32:40What is humanity?
- 32:43Why?
- 32:44Why?
- 32:45Why?
- 32:46Why?
- 32:48Is there anything worth this?
- 32:51Anything?
- 32:51Anything?
- 32:54If there's anything worth this, please let me
- 32:59know because I can't imagine what could be
- 33:02worth this.
- 33:04So I think I'm not the only one
- 33:07having a shaken reaction to these videos.
- 33:11You've heard from Shannon Blair.
- 33:14You've heard from the attorney, Angela Kim.
- 33:18You've heard from the CSI actress, and she's
- 33:21been in a lot of other films, Lena
- 33:23Esco.
- 33:24And Switch for Good is also a very,
- 33:28very active organisation that has come out with
- 33:34statements about this.
- 33:35And I'm looking for their statement that we
- 33:38might be able to play that because here
- 33:41it is.
- 33:42They also actually issued a trigger warning on
- 33:46this video.
- 33:47Hey, everyone.
- 33:47We have something really important that we want
- 33:49to talk to you about today, but I
- 33:50have to give you a trigger warning ahead
- 33:52of time as it's disturbing to watch.
- 33:53Last month, Animal Recovery Mission exposed horrific animal
- 33:57cruelty and environmental violations at two major suppliers
- 34:00of Coca-Cola's Fairlife milk outside of Phoenix,
- 34:03Arizona.
- 34:03Cows were kicked, whipped, dying of dehydration in
- 34:06135 degree heat and left to die in
- 34:09horrendous conditions.
- 34:10Milk is cruel to cows and it is
- 34:12cruel to the human body.
- 34:13Despite Fairlife and Coca-Cola's claims of humane
- 34:16sourcing, Animal Recovery Mission's investigation proves the corporation's
- 34:20complicity in severe abuse.
- 34:22Please support Switch for Good's ongoing efforts to
- 34:25wean the world off dairy for the cows,
- 34:27for human health, for the planet, and for
- 34:28food justice.
- 34:29This is why we do what we do
- 34:31at Switch for Good.
- 34:34That last kind shot, I don't know who
- 34:37that was, but that wasn't part of the
- 34:39undercover video.
- 34:41So where do we go from here?
- 34:44There's a number of developments that I'd like
- 34:46to discuss.
- 34:47And one of them is the class action
- 34:50lawsuit.
- 34:51And as I understand it, not being a
- 34:53lawyer, at this point it is a proposed
- 34:56class action lawsuit.
- 34:59So it was filed in connection with the
- 35:02release of this undercover video.
- 35:04And it says here, a class action complaint
- 35:07for damages, restitution, and injunctive relief for violation
- 35:11of breach of express warrants, false advertising, unfair
- 35:15competition, consumer legal remedies act, and unjust enrichment,
- 35:21et cetera.
- 35:22And this is a quote from within that
- 35:25lawsuit, which runs many, many, many, many pages.
- 35:29It says, animal care and sustainability marketing scheme
- 35:34and practise are based on materially face false
- 35:37misleading, untrue, and or unjust claims and omissions.
- 35:43Video evidence from multiple undercover investigations conducted by
- 35:46Animal Recovery Mission arm reveals systemic widespread egregious
- 35:50animal cruelty, cruel standard practises, extreme neglect, including
- 35:54at the hands of an awareness and with
- 35:56the awareness of management.
- 35:58So tell us about this proposed lawsuit, Kudo,
- 36:02where does it stand?
- 36:04And it's filing in conjunction with the release
- 36:07of your undercover video.
- 36:09Yeah, well, that was filed, I believe the
- 36:11day that we exposed and had our press
- 36:14conference in Phoenix.
- 36:16So we're at the beginning stages of this
- 36:19lawsuit.
- 36:20It took a while for this to be
- 36:22put together by a host of incredible attorneys,
- 36:25some of the better attorneys in the country,
- 36:27working side by side with the best animal
- 36:30welfare attorneys.
- 36:32But everyone needs to understand that there are
- 36:35a host of lawsuits other than this class
- 36:37action that have just been filed and that
- 36:40are being filed within the incoming weeks.
- 36:43And I don't want to give Coca-Cola
- 36:44too great of a heads up on that.
- 36:47So I can't go into detail.
- 36:48But things are coming down the pipeline legally
- 36:50for them that hopefully are going to hurt
- 36:55this company and force them to recognise and
- 37:00admit to their shortcomings and what really goes
- 37:04on behind closed doors because they haven't done
- 37:07that yet.
- 37:09So what I find interesting about all this
- 37:12is that this isn't the first class action
- 37:15suit.
- 37:16Now, when you did your 2019 investigation, there
- 37:23was a class action suit that was filed
- 37:27that ultimately resulted, I believe in 2022, in
- 37:31a $21 million settlement.
- 37:37Can you tell me elaborate on that?
- 37:40So there's already $21 million that has been
- 37:43paid reportedly as part of a settlement that
- 37:47emanated from your previous investigation released in 2019.
- 37:54And now there's a new proposed class action
- 37:57suit.
- 37:57And the reason I say proposed is that
- 37:59an attorney told me until the courts take
- 38:01it to a certain level, it's a proposed
- 38:03class action.
- 38:04So tell us about that, the previous one.
- 38:08Yeah, well, Coca-Cola did have to pay
- 38:10out $21 million from the first class action
- 38:12lawsuit stemming from our investigation in 2019.
- 38:15But they also had to adhere in that
- 38:18lawsuit, overseen and signed off by a judge
- 38:21to a lot of changes in their policies.
- 38:24And some of them you've already gone over
- 38:26cameras, you know, in their supplying barns and
- 38:30new veterinary care, so on and so forth.
- 38:33Also, they cannot harvest dairy, their product from
- 38:38a dairy farm that's cruel to their animals.
- 38:42That is specifically said in the first class
- 38:45action.
- 38:45So they violated, right now they have violated
- 38:48their class action lawsuit from 2019.
- 38:51That right now is being looked over by
- 38:53a judge, I believe out of Illinois and
- 38:57or Michigan.
- 38:58So that's an open investigation right now.
- 39:01And Fairlife and Coca-Cola could be looking
- 39:03at a huge number in fines from that
- 39:07alone.
- 39:08Okay, thank you, Kudo.
- 39:09And again, that's Kudo's explanation.
- 39:12I will continue to invite Coca-Cola and
- 39:15Fairlife officials, anybody connected with the industry on
- 39:18at any time to further elaborate.
- 39:22Although we have placed on camera a lot
- 39:25of your statements from your website that are
- 39:29up there right now.
- 39:31I got these the night before.
- 39:33Okay, so these haven't been taken down.
- 39:37These are up there right now.
- 39:39We believe in better care for animals.
- 39:40So if we took you at your word,
- 39:43then if you believe in better care for
- 39:45animals, what would be the ultimate way to
- 39:48ensuring better care for animals while obviously not
- 39:50using them?
- 39:51And in today's 21st century, we have plant
- 39:56-based milks.
- 39:57Ultimately, this is a consumer issue.
- 40:01Is it not, Shannon Blair?
- 40:03It is.
- 40:04And Jane, earlier, you said, what does this
- 40:06say about our culture?
- 40:07What does this say about us?
- 40:09And I think that for a second, but
- 40:11then I think about how manipulative this is
- 40:13with just the name Fairlife.
- 40:15And it does show that the consumers, they
- 40:17want to do better.
- 40:19So this name pulls at their heartstrings.
- 40:21But once people really see the inherent cruelty
- 40:24in this industry, and they're going to, because
- 40:27we have the power of social media and
- 40:30we have the truth on our side, people
- 40:32are going to wake up to the reality
- 40:33of the situation that there is no right
- 40:36way to do the wrong thing.
- 40:38Coca-Cola, like vegan Evan, my son said,
- 40:41needs to stop telling people that there's a
- 40:44right way to do the wrong thing by
- 40:45having their hands in this industry.
- 40:49And it is a consumer issue.
- 40:52We all need to realise that it's not
- 40:55just Fairlife.
- 40:56It's the dairy industry and it's all animal
- 40:58ag.
- 40:59There's no good way to do something to
- 41:02an animal that doesn't have to be done
- 41:05to them when it causes them any type
- 41:07of suffering.
- 41:08We don't need to be using them.
- 41:10And when we do, it's hurting all of
- 41:13us in addition to what it's doing to
- 41:15them and their children.
- 41:17It's affecting our health.
- 41:19It's affecting the planet that we all share.
- 41:22I just had two babies in the last
- 41:25three years.
- 41:26And so when the first investigation came out
- 41:29in 2019, I, like I said earlier, had
- 41:33just recently learned about the atrocities of the
- 41:35dairy industry in general.
- 41:37Then seeing that and having a child, it
- 41:39affected me very much emotionally because I can't
- 41:43imagine having my child ripped away from me.
- 41:46Then since that investigation, now I've had two
- 41:49more and now I see this.
- 41:51And I just look around and I see
- 41:53all these mothers.
- 41:55Everyone is either a mother or there's someone's
- 41:58child and they had a mother.
- 42:00So it's something that I think once you
- 42:02understand and once, I mean, most people I
- 42:05think still don't even understand that this is
- 42:07another species lactation and it's not meant for
- 42:10us.
- 42:11And when you put it all together, it
- 42:12becomes pretty simple.
- 42:14And I think Coca-Cola should just be
- 42:16smart and get out now because me as
- 42:18an activist, I'm not going to back down
- 42:20until everybody understands what dairy is.
- 42:23And I'm not going to stop asking stores
- 42:25to take Fair Life off their shelves.
- 42:27And I'm not going to stop asking the
- 42:29mainstream media to talk about this.
- 42:31So they should just, they're lucky.
- 42:33They don't even own the farms.
- 42:34They only own the plants.
- 42:35And like you said, they can just switch
- 42:36those over.
- 42:38It is an opportunity.
- 42:40In every negative situation, maybe not all of
- 42:44them, but in a lot of negative situations,
- 42:47there is a way to extract victory from
- 42:51it.
- 42:51Nobody has anything personally against this company.
- 42:55It's the videos.
- 42:56It's the videos of what we're seeing here.
- 42:58And just as a member of the human
- 43:02race, I'm shaken.
- 43:03I can tell you, I'm not making it
- 43:05up.
- 43:06I've seen a lot of horrible crime footage.
- 43:08I've actually seen dead people when I've covered
- 43:10murder cases as a beat reporter.
- 43:14But looking at that video, just really, it
- 43:17did something to me.
- 43:19It just, I don't have any words for
- 43:24it.
- 43:25Why?
- 43:27When there's an alternative that doesn't involve using
- 43:29cows at all, that it's just tasty and
- 43:32has added benefit of being zero cholesterol.
- 43:35What's it going to take?
- 43:37Now, back in 2019, Shannon, after the investigation
- 43:43that caused a lot of headlines, okay?
- 43:45That one caused more headlines than this one,
- 43:48which is an interesting phenomenon that I know
- 43:50you addressed, Kudo, but the story isn't over
- 43:53yet.
- 43:53So who knows, right?
- 43:55It's just beginning.
- 43:57But you were so desperate to spread the
- 44:00word, you and your son and a group
- 44:04of friends went into a supermarket and you
- 44:07did an in-store protest outside the dairy
- 44:10aisle.
- 44:11And this went viral, not from the video
- 44:14you shot, but my understanding is there was
- 44:16another person, like a consumer, just looking at
- 44:18it and shooting it and sold it to
- 44:20some outlet that put it up and it
- 44:23got something like a million views.
- 44:25But here- It got over 10 million
- 44:27views, actually.
- 44:28Wow, over 10 million views, this protest.
- 44:30So watch this protest.
- 44:33Okay, so this is a demonstration of the
- 44:36dairy industry where female cows are forcibly impregnated.
- 44:42They carry a baby for nine months, just
- 44:45like a human female, and then today their
- 44:48precious baby's born.
- 44:50They are ripped away from their mother.
- 44:52Their mothers cry out for days, sometimes weeks.
- 44:55Please give me my baby back.
- 44:58No, no, no.
- 45:00My baby.
- 45:02Somebody help.
- 45:05Please don't take my baby.
- 45:07So a recent undercover investigation came out from
- 45:10Fair Oaks Farm in Indiana.
- 45:13The brand Fair Life is one of their
- 45:17products, which is distributed by Coca-Cola.
- 45:19What happens to baby cows and mother cows
- 45:23on dairy farms every day?
- 45:26Mother cows are forcibly impregnated and they carry
- 45:29their babies for nine months, and when the
- 45:32baby is born, the baby is stolen from
- 45:36their mothers immediately.
- 45:38And so we can take their dairy milk.
- 45:42We have some footage here for Fair Life
- 45:44Farm, and today we're showing an undercover investigation
- 45:49of the abuse that these mother cows and
- 45:52baby cows endure on this dairy farm.
- 45:56Abuse is rampant on dairy farms.
- 45:58This is not just one case.
- 46:01Wow, that got 10 million views, not from
- 46:04the angle that you were shooting and recording.
- 46:07And by the way, that's on Unchained TV.
- 46:08You can watch it, the whole thing.
- 46:10It goes on for quite a while.
- 46:12It's fascinating.
- 46:13But somebody else, a shopper, took the video
- 46:15and sold it to an outlet, and you
- 46:19had told me it got something like 10
- 46:20million views.
- 46:21But I think it's a sign of your
- 46:23desperation, and correct me if I'm wrong to
- 46:25get the word out.
- 46:26I mean, people don't do that because it's
- 46:28fun.
- 46:30It's done.
- 46:30It would strike me out of desperation to
- 46:33wake people up in some way, shape, or
- 46:35form.
- 46:36Can you tell me a little bit about
- 46:39your motives and how you felt and how
- 46:44the others felt reenacting what happens, in their
- 46:47opinion, in dairy?
- 46:48So that was just one of the many
- 46:50times that we did that demonstration.
- 46:52And the reason that we were doing it,
- 46:55like you said, was to raise awareness about
- 46:57the inherent cruelty of the dairy industry, but
- 46:59also to show this above and beyond, which
- 47:02is why we had the props and the
- 47:03kicking was going on.
- 47:05And I think that you're absolutely right.
- 47:08It was a complete attempt in desperation.
- 47:11We'll do anything that we can to get
- 47:13people to realise what's happening.
- 47:15I've been to dairy farms all over the
- 47:17country now, from the east coast to the
- 47:20west coast, small, tiny farms that have only
- 47:2310 female cows, where I'm from in upstate
- 47:25New York, to massive farms, ones that supplied
- 47:29or possibly still do to fair life.
- 47:32And the just seeing the hutches that exist,
- 47:36not an up-close view of the kicking
- 47:38and the punching and what we've seen in
- 47:40these undercover investigations, but just what it is.
- 47:44It's thousands of female animals being forcibly impregnated.
- 47:48The sperm is typically being brought from a
- 47:51different facility.
- 47:52So there's just females on the property.
- 47:55And when they're born, that's all they want
- 47:56is more females.
- 47:58So the males go somewhere else and the
- 48:00babies go in these hutches.
- 48:01And just that in itself, every single human
- 48:05being should have a problem with that.
- 48:07And from my experience, they do once they
- 48:10see it.
- 48:11And that's why these industries are so desperate
- 48:14to keep it hidden.
- 48:15And that's why I'm so desperate to get
- 48:17the truth out is because I genuinely believe
- 48:20that most people are good.
- 48:21I think most people do love animals, but
- 48:24we've just been born into this world of
- 48:26normalised violence and we're desensitised to a lot
- 48:29of it.
- 48:30But I don't think most people are desensitised
- 48:32to the horrors of the dairy industry.
- 48:34They're just not aware of them.
- 48:36So yes, I'll do anything I can to
- 48:38get the word out within my legal limits.
- 48:41Yeah.
- 48:43Ditto.
- 48:44I mean, this is the role of journalists
- 48:47to get this information out.
- 48:50And as Kudo was mentioning, there's a lot
- 48:55of pressure to look the other way.
- 48:57It's too graphic.
- 48:59So if you just write this and you
- 49:02write an article about it without showing it,
- 49:04it doesn't have the impact.
- 49:06Because it was really, I had read a
- 49:08couple of articles and then it was when
- 49:09I looked at the video that I started
- 49:11having this emotional reaction that I literally was
- 49:16like, I'm embarrassed to be a member of
- 49:20the human race.
- 49:21That's what occurred to me.
- 49:23Shame for my species.
- 49:26Shame.
- 49:28And it just, it goes beyond anger.
- 49:31It goes beyond, it's just almost this existential
- 49:36sense of why have we created hell on
- 49:39earth for these animals?
- 49:40For what purpose?
- 49:42When there's obvious alternatives and that are better
- 49:47for the environment, that are better for human
- 49:51health because heart disease is a leading killer
- 49:53and zero cholesterol products have health benefits.
- 49:57I just, when it doesn't make any sense
- 50:01on any level except for profit, that's when
- 50:07I say, wow, you know, our culture has
- 50:10crossed over into something that I don't really
- 50:14recognise.
- 50:16It's like, like I said, there's really no
- 50:24words.
- 50:25I will pray literally on my knees that
- 50:31Coca-Cola consider transitioning to plant-based.
- 50:37Give it a shot.
- 50:39Do one with oat milk.
- 50:41Just see how it goes.
- 50:43Or soy milk or almond milk or whatever
- 50:45milk you want.
- 50:46Just see how it goes.
- 50:47I'm going to get on my knees and
- 50:48pray for that.
- 50:50Pray.
- 50:51Because I don't want to live in a
- 50:54world where this is somehow allowed to go
- 50:58on.
- 50:59So final thoughts, kudos.
- 51:03What are your final thoughts?
- 51:05And again, kudos for your courageous, relentless work
- 51:10in this field.
- 51:12Thank you.
- 51:13I think it's important to know we are
- 51:15working with law enforcement.
- 51:17The sheriff's office in that county in the
- 51:20greater Phoenix area has taken this case as
- 51:23well as the Arizona Department of Agriculture law
- 51:26enforcement division.
- 51:27So we are working with the head lieutenant
- 51:29there.
- 51:29It's important to know that this is a
- 51:31three minute video that was put out to
- 51:33the greater public.
- 51:34But I edited this video in which I
- 51:37sent another video to law enforcement, which was
- 51:4014 hours long with edited, small edited clips
- 51:45of felony and misdemeanour animal cruelty only that
- 51:50violated state law.
- 51:52That type of footage, over 14 hours of
- 51:57it, it took me up to six months
- 52:00to edit that, is beyond anything I've ever
- 52:04edited before in any case globally.
- 52:07Not just the dairy industry.
- 52:09So that's the type of level of cruelty
- 52:10that we're looking at here.
- 52:14We're hoping for felony and misdemeanour arrests, not
- 52:19that it's going to change much, but that
- 52:21it's going to drive media, right?
- 52:22Because arrests drive media.
- 52:25And that this will blow this case up
- 52:28globally for people to be educated on Fair
- 52:31Life, but not just Fair Life milk and
- 52:33Coca-Cola, but the dairy industry as well,
- 52:36because this is the face of the dairy
- 52:38industry, right?
- 52:41So we're hoping that people are educated and
- 52:45see who Coca-Cola really is, who Fair
- 52:48Life really is, and what the dairy industry
- 52:50really is and make that transition for the
- 52:53first time in their lives possibly to go
- 52:55to the grocery store and for the first
- 52:58time buy that plant-based butter or yoghurt
- 53:01milk, that first oat milk or almond milk
- 53:07or mayonnaise.
- 53:08There are so many tastier products out there
- 53:13other than cow's milk.
- 53:15And that is what's sustaining this industry, right?
- 53:18People purchasing the product.
- 53:20So not government, not the dairy industry, but
- 53:23we the people have the power to stop
- 53:25the cruelty.
- 53:27That's it.
- 53:28It's simple.
- 53:30Yeah.
- 53:31Thank you for that.
- 53:32And Shannon, your final thoughts.
- 53:35I'm just, well, I'm really grateful to Kudo
- 53:38and his team for doing these investigations because
- 53:42otherwise it just stays hidden completely.
- 53:45And I'm so grateful to you, Jane, for
- 53:47amplifying the situation.
- 53:49And my final thoughts, I just hope that
- 53:52everyone who's watching will just do their best
- 53:55to get involved and boycott Fair Life, obviously,
- 54:00and all dairy.
- 54:01I've been boycotting Coca-Cola and the Simply
- 54:05Juices and everything they make for years personally,
- 54:07because that's what I feel like I want
- 54:10to do until they get out of the
- 54:11dairy business.
- 54:12But I hope that the average person will
- 54:14get upset about this and that they will
- 54:17not only do the avoiding of the dairy
- 54:19and the brand, but also ask their store
- 54:23managers to please take it off the shelves.
- 54:25Because if you go into a store all
- 54:26the time, you're the one that they care
- 54:28about.
- 54:29So you keep doing that.
- 54:30Enough people do that all over the place.
- 54:32Enough people make phone calls, write emails.
- 54:34We'll get it done.
- 54:37AnimalRecoveryMission.org is where there is a petition.
- 54:39If you want to sign it, AnimalRecoveryMission.org.
- 54:43I want to thank everybody for joining us
- 54:45for this podcast.
- 54:46Please share it out if you're watching on
- 54:47social media.
- 54:49And you can also share it out if
- 54:50you're watching it on the Unshamed TV streaming
- 54:52network.
- 54:54Again, I invite Coca-Cola, Fair Life, any
- 54:58industry executive involved in this in any way,
- 55:01shape or form on to discuss.
- 55:04I would love that.
- 55:05I would love to dialogue with you about
- 55:08a way forward that doesn't involve animals.
- 55:14Thank you so much for joining us.
- 55:16Thank you.