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Is America controlling the weather? Tune in as we separate fact from fiction. · David Pollack Primetime

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  Speaker 1: 80 years.
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  Speaker 2: That's how long America has been modifying the weather. General
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  Speaker 2: Electric ran the first cloud seeding experiments in 1945. Western
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  Speaker 2: New York, Massachusetts, the Interior Department spent the 70s on
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  Speaker 2: Project Skywater, making water for the Colorado River, or Hoover Dam.
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  Speaker 2: For Lake Mead, one of the greatest physicists this country
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  Speaker 2: has ever produced skipped the Manhattan Project because he believed
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  Speaker 2: the weather held more power than the atom. And almost
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  Speaker 2: nobody believed a word of it. Say weather modifications at
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  Speaker 2: a dinner party and.
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  Speaker 3: Watch your eyes roll.
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  Speaker 2: Tinfoil hat territory right next to the chemtrails.
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  Speaker 3: Well, then it got proven.
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  Speaker 2: This past January, a company out of El Segundo, California,
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  Speaker 2: became the first in history to demonstrate on radar, repeatedly, unambiguously,
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  Speaker 2: that the snow and rain it created was, in fact, man-made, verified, measured,
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  Speaker 2: sold by the gallon tonight.
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  Speaker 3: For the full hour, that.
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  Speaker 2: Company opens its doors, the machines, the lab, the green
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  Speaker 2: powder that pulls the water out of the sky, the
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  Speaker 2: tough questions, Texas, the bands. What's really going into those
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  Speaker 2: clouds and the race with China?
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  Speaker 3: To control the weather itself.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Rainmaker's headquarters and sat down with the
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  Speaker 2: man who runs the company.
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  Speaker 3: He answered everything.
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  Speaker 2: Augustus Dorico is the founder and CEO of Rainmaker Technology Corporation.
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  Speaker 2: And I started with the obvious question. Augustus, thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for welcoming us into your Rainmaker facility today.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me about Rainmaker.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for coming by.
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  Speaker 4: We're a next-gen weather modification company. And with advanced remote sensing, drones,
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  Speaker 4: new materials, and machine learning, we're building what I hope
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  Speaker 4: will be the best atmospheric science lab in the world
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  Speaker 4: to end drought in the American West and then the
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  Speaker 4: rest of the world over.
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  Speaker 2: So let's just pick it up right from there because
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  Speaker 2: you said next-stage advanced weather modification. Everybody who just heard
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  Speaker 2: that says, wait a minute, so Rainmaker modifies the weather. Now,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, this was the stuff of
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  Speaker 2: science fiction and if you told me, hey, we manipulate
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  Speaker 2: the weather, they would be like, okay, go get your
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  Speaker 2: tinfoil hat, buddy, right next to the contrails and the airplanes, right?
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  Speaker 2: So we can modify the weather. We're just saying that
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  Speaker 2: as fact for everybody watching. We can modify the weather,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what you do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Rainmaker became the first and only company in history in
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  Speaker 4: January to repeatedly, unambiguously prove that we're making more snowfall
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  Speaker 4: and making more rain for farms and ecosystems across the
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  Speaker 4: American West. And It's not just us, and we're not
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  Speaker 4: the first to do it. General Electric was experimenting with
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  Speaker 4: cloud seeding in 1945. We had something with the Department
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  Speaker 4: of Interior in the 70s called Project Skywater that was
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  Speaker 4: making more water for the Colorado River and for the
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  Speaker 4: Hoover Dam and Lake Powell and Lake Mead. But now
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  Speaker 4: if you look beyond just the United States where Rainmaker
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  Speaker 4: is operating, the Chinese Meteorological Administration, they have a half
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  Speaker 4: billion dollar annual budget, 5.5 million square kilometers of their countries,
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  Speaker 4: like half the country is an active weather modification area.
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  Speaker 4: They're producing two times the amount of precipitation over the
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  Speaker 4: country than flows through the entire Colorado River.
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  Speaker 3: So they're super sophisticated.
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  Speaker 4: The Saudis, the Emiratis in the Middle East, they're investing
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  Speaker 4: heavily in this. And so we're doing it here not
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  Speaker 4: just for the sake of our own ecosystems and our
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  Speaker 4: own farms and making sure that cities like L.A. and
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  Speaker 4: Phoenix have enough water, but also because– somebody is going
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  Speaker 4: to scale this technology around the world. I would prefer
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  Speaker 4: it be the United States that controls our water supply
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  Speaker 4: and weather rather than the Chinese meteorological administration.
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  Speaker 3: So how long have we been, and.
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  Speaker 2: I'll ask you about quote unquote controlling the weather because
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to conflate the two that we're controlling
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  Speaker 2: the weather versus making it rain, like your hat says.
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  Speaker 2: How long have we been modifying the weather? How long
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  Speaker 2: have we been seeding clouds and making rain for?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so 1945 was when the first experimentation was done
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  Speaker 4: in western New York and Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 3: So about 80 years.
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  Speaker 4: The big problem, though, the reason why it's been the
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  Speaker 4: stuff of sci-fi and conspiracy theory for so long is
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  Speaker 4: nobody was able to prove that it works until recently.
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  Speaker 4: If you fly a crop duster into a cloud and
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  Speaker 4: sprinkle some magic beans and then it rains, what's the counterfactual?
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  Speaker 4: Who's to say that that's man-made precipitation? Maybe you just
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  Speaker 4: got lucky. As of 2017, the National Center for Atmospheric Research,
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  Speaker 4: some really brilliant professors and scientists, they realized that now,
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  Speaker 4: as of the last few years, we have sensitive enough
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  Speaker 4: radar to measure how much of the precipitation is man-made.
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  Speaker 4: That was the real inflection point. If it wasn't for
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  Speaker 4: all of that groundbreaking atmospheric science work, if it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: for the advancements that we've made in electrical engineering, It'd
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  Speaker 4: be impossible to measure how much precipitation was man-made, so
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  Speaker 4: nobody would bother paying for it. Now that we have
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  Speaker 4: all of that, we're standing on the shoulders of giants.
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  Speaker 4: We're able to modify the weather at scale and prove
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  Speaker 4: that it works.
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  Speaker 3: So let's go back 80 years then.
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  Speaker 2: How 80 years ago were we modifying weather?
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  Speaker 3: Were we flying planes up into the clouds? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Who had this brilliant idea that, hey, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: make it rain?
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  Speaker 4: So there was this guy, Irving Langmuir. He sat out
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  Speaker 4: of the Manhattan Project. He was one of America's best physicists.
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  Speaker 4: And he didn't work on the Manhattan Project because he
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  Speaker 4: thought that weather modification had more potential than even nuclear.
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  Speaker 2: That was the promise 80 years ago. More power than
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  Speaker 2: the atom. And what it became is a tool for
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  Speaker 2: a country running out of water. The West is losing
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  Speaker 2: the numbers game. Less snow than a generation ago. More people,
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  Speaker 2: more farms, more demand on a river system already in decline.
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  Speaker 2: Rainmaker's case is that the water is already overhead. Most
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  Speaker 2: of the moisture crossing this country never even falls, it
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  Speaker 2: just drifts back out to sea. So I asked him
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  Speaker 2: why any of this matters to a family in Phoenix
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  Speaker 2: or in Salt Lake or even Los Angeles. We know
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  Speaker 2: that obviously we need water to survive. And you said
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  Speaker 2: just recently, now that you can prove the model that
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  Speaker 2: we can actually make it rain, that's when really everything
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  Speaker 2: started taking off because before it was just a theory,
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy hypothesis. Tell me about your company and what it
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  Speaker 2: does to make it rain and how that it's beneficial
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  Speaker 2: and how your company works.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So at a high level, the way the tech
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  Speaker 3: works is this.
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  Speaker 4: The majority of water that goes over the atmosphere in
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  Speaker 4: the United States doesn't precipitate over land, just gets recycled
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  Speaker 4: by the oceans. So we use radar, special probes, satellite
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  Speaker 4: to find clouds with small droplets of cold water that
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  Speaker 4: aren't precipitating, fly drones into them. release dust that the
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  Speaker 4: water freezes onto and then falls as big enough snowflakes
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  Speaker 4: or melts back into rain. Um, the reason why we're
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  Speaker 4: doing that is for the sake of water supply in
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  Speaker 4: the American West. Like we live in a first world country.
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  Speaker 4: You think that we should have abundant energy, affordable housing,
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  Speaker 4: abundant water, cheap and healthy food.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, and we don't.
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  Speaker 4: And part of the reason for that is water scarcity.
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  Speaker 4: Like LA is experiencing biblical fires because we don't have
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  Speaker 4: water for our firefighting reservoirs. We see farms that have
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  Speaker 4: existed in California and Utah and Texas for the last
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  Speaker 4: hundred years going dry because the rains aren't coming and
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  Speaker 4: the groundwater is running out. The Great Salt Lake, huge
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  Speaker 4: piece of national American heritage, that's drying up. And if
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  Speaker 4: it dries up, not only do you lose out on
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  Speaker 4: the ski season in Utah and the mountains of the Rockies,
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  Speaker 4: but also toxic particulate gets kicked up from the lake
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  Speaker 4: bed and then people start to get respiratory cancer. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: one of the biggest ones is the Colorado River. If
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  Speaker 4: you look at the Colorado River, it had double the
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  Speaker 4: water that it does today, 100 years ago, but we're
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  Speaker 4: getting less natural rain, we're using way more, and if
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  Speaker 4: you want to maintain that ecosystem, if you want your
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  Speaker 4: kids to swim in the rivers and the reservoirs that
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  Speaker 4: you grew up in, you need to make more, right?
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  Speaker 4: There's no way to make more water in the interior
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  Speaker 4: of the country besides cloud seeding. And so if you
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  Speaker 4: wanna save these ecosystems, if you wanna save cities like
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  Speaker 4: Phoenix and Salt Lake and Tucson and Las Vegas, You
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  Speaker 4: have to come up with creative solutions like cloud seeding.
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  Speaker 2: The product is water, snow in the mountains, banked until spring,
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  Speaker 2: melting into rivers, reservoirs, and farms downstream. Before we ever
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  Speaker 2: walked the facility, I wanted one thing settled. Who's actually
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  Speaker 2: writing the checks? Is it ski resorts, farmers, or the
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  Speaker 2: government itself? And the idea here is you want to
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  Speaker 2: create water that can be sort of used later. So
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  Speaker 2: snowpacks is where you're taking a lot of time. developing
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  Speaker 2: because those snow packs melt gradually and all the water
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  Speaker 2: we talked about downstream. So that's sort of really where
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  Speaker 2: this technology is most effective is in building snow packs
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  Speaker 2: that can be used later, right?
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  Speaker 3: Not one-time rain events.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but Snowmaker doesn't roll off the tongue as well
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  Speaker 4: as Rainmaker. Yeah, I see what you're saying. So you're
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  Speaker 4: a Snowmaker more than a Rainmaker? Would you say that's
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  Speaker 4: more of your business?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: For now, we do both, but making it snow more
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  Speaker 4: is much easier to prove. and the snow is much
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  Speaker 4: more useful because of that gradual melt than just one
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  Speaker 4: day of precipitation in the summer.
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  Speaker 2: Right, because once it rains, it either evaporates when it
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  Speaker 2: hits the ground, absorbs, but the snow sits there and
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  Speaker 2: it kind of adds to the.
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  Speaker 3: And then who is your customers? Is it farmers? Is
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  Speaker 3: it ski resorts? Is it governments?
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  Speaker 2: Who calls Rainmaker or Snowmaker and says, hey, help us out?
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  Speaker 3: The government's modifying the weather. It's true. We have public
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  Speaker 3: and private sector customers.
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  Speaker 4: When you're making water for a large area that benefits farmers, utilities,
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  Speaker 4: the ecosystem, the government's a natural customer. The Utah Department
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  Speaker 4: of Natural Resources, Colorado Department of Natural Resources, the government
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  Speaker 4: of Idaho and Oregon, they're all partners of ours. We
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  Speaker 4: also have Private sector customers, ski resorts, namely, because we
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  Speaker 4: can enhance the snowpack so that more people get to ski.
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  Speaker 3: They sell more tickets. Long term, I think that energy and.
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  Speaker 4: Farming are going to become large customers of ours, too,
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  Speaker 4: because you need water to spin turbines for power. You
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  Speaker 4: need water to grow food. And so it'll be both
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  Speaker 4: public and private sector that we work with.
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  Speaker 2: Still ahead this hour, I walk the floor of the
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  Speaker 2: facility itself, the drone built to fly where a 737
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  Speaker 2: would fall out of the sky, and that green powder
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  Speaker 2: that turns a handful of dust into millions of gallons
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  Speaker 2: of water. Then the Texas floods, 135 dead, a company
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  Speaker 2: under suspicion. And my home state, Florida, felony ban on rainmaking.
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: The CEO answers the hardest questions. And later, China's plan
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  Speaker 2: to own the weather themselves. It's all coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Seven million gallons of man-made precipitation.
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  Speaker 3: One hour of work.
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  Speaker 2: That's a single mission for the machines you're about to see.
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  Speaker 2: The operation runs like this. Radar and NASA satellites hunt
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  Speaker 2: for clouds carrying cold water that won't fall on their own.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the moisture crossing this country never really touches
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  Speaker 2: the ground. It just drifts back out to sea. When
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  Speaker 2: they find one of these clouds, a drone goes up.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a crop duster.
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  Speaker 2: It's a machine built to survive conditions that would ice
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  Speaker 2: up an airliner with propellers that melt themselves clean in flight.
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  Speaker 3: It climbs into the.
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  Speaker 2: Cloud and releases a dust that freezes those stranded droplets
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  Speaker 2: into snowflakes heavy enough to fall. The dose is about
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  Speaker 2: the size of a handful of Skittles. The yield, tens
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  Speaker 2: of millions of gallons across hundreds of of thousands of acres.
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  Speaker 2: Now I walk the floor, the analytics hub that proves
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  Speaker 2: every drop on radar, the mission command running live operations
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  Speaker 2: in Alaska, and the drone they named after a prophet
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  Speaker 2: who prayed for rain. The tour starts at the screen
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  Speaker 2: where Rainmaker proves the rain is theirs.
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  Speaker 3: This is our analytics hub.
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  Speaker 4: Rainmaker does three really fundamental things differently than Historic Weather Mod.
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  Speaker 4: We build the remote sensors and the software to prove
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  Speaker 4: that our precipitation is man-made.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what this is here.
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  Speaker 4: Unlike historic operations where you take a crop duster, you
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  Speaker 4: blast a cloud, maybe it snows, maybe it doesn't, we're
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  Speaker 4: seeding from this yellow dot, and then downwind, you see
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  Speaker 4: on radar, it's only precipitating where we released our dust.
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  Speaker 3: So you're following your dust, essentially. Exactly. Is this space-based?
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  Speaker 3: This is radar on the ground. So this is National
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  Speaker 3: Weather Service radar. Oh, OK. And in this one instance,
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  Speaker 3: we were operating for about an hour.
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  Speaker 4: We produced almost 7 million gallons of exclusively man-made precipitation.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 3: So super efficient technology.
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  Speaker 4: Because we have advanced radar, satellite, we're able to prove
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  Speaker 4: exactly how much water we're producing for our customers.
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  Speaker 3: So your rain is a different color on the radar?
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  Speaker 3: There's no rain here, except where we are.
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  Speaker 4: You see this system start to come in and build
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  Speaker 4: from the west eventually.
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  Speaker 3: It'll look the same. It's indistinguishable at the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: Like, it's indistinguishable when you're actually seeing it on the ground.
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  Speaker 4: This is just our detection algorithm here.
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  Speaker 3: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: So you are basically changing the color of the radar
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  Speaker 2: to highlight where.
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  Speaker 3: Your efforts are being... Brightening it, yeah. Okay. But it's not...
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  Speaker 3: The radar doesn't have a different signature for that, right? No,
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  Speaker 3: it looks on radar. So that would just be a
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  Speaker 3: green blob if you didn't put the blue on it. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Got it. So that's your enhancement to show that's where
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  Speaker 3: our stuff is.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And how do you know what's your rain and what's not? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so great question. That's like the crux of the business.
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  Speaker 4: If you sprinkle some magic beans in a cloud and
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  Speaker 4: then it snows, who's to say whether it was man-made?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: What we do is we correlate in time and space
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  Speaker 4: where we released our dust and where the precipitation is.
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  Speaker 4: And if you see that to the north, south, east, west,
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  Speaker 4: there's no precipitation except where our aerosol plume is, then
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  Speaker 4: you know it's man-made. So if only where you seeded
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  Speaker 4: there's precipitation, then you can measure and prove that it's...
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  Speaker 4: So there's.
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  Speaker 3: An aerosol plume.
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  Speaker 2: You can visually see where you... You can measure it
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  Speaker 2: with certain sensors, yeah. And then your drones have that...
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  Speaker 2: So basically your drones drop the seed and then track it?
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  Speaker 3: We have downwind aerosol sensing drones.
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  Speaker 4: So there's the ones that are seeding upwind and then downwind,
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  Speaker 4: and I'll show you this later, You have ones that
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  Speaker 4: can detect the aerosol in the cloud.
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  Speaker 3: You can also model it as well. So you use
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  Speaker 3: a combination of modeling.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got seeding drones, and then you have detection
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  Speaker 2: drones to basically prove to your customer that you did
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  Speaker 2: what you said you were going to do in showing
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  Speaker 2: the actual results. And that's the benefit of the business
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  Speaker 2: model is that you can say, yeah, I seeded it.
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  Speaker 3: It's good. But you're saying, no, look, here's the product
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  Speaker 3: that you paid me for, right? Which is what it
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  Speaker 3: all boils down to.
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  Speaker 4: Our customers want volumes of water that they know are real,
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  Speaker 4: that they can measure, and that's what we're delivering.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: One, we build all this remote sensing tech to prove
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  Speaker 4: that the precipitation is man-made. Two, we're using drones rather
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  Speaker 4: than manned aircraft. The drones are safer than manned aircraft
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  Speaker 4: because you're flying into severe winter weather. Boeing 737s would
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  Speaker 4: freeze up and fall out of the sky in the
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  Speaker 4: clouds that we're seating. But we built the only drone
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  Speaker 4: in NATO that can fly into these kinds of conditions.
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  Speaker 4: And it is way more efficient and precise. So you
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  Speaker 4: get more water down per operation per season because of it.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the second big thing. That's actually what is
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  Speaker 3: on the yellow dot. And I'll show you the hardware
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  Speaker 3: in a moment.
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  Speaker 4: But if you have the right remote sensing, you have
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  Speaker 4: the right platform vehicle, then you can collect all of
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  Speaker 4: this weather data to optimize your targeting and maximize your yield.
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  Speaker 4: So for example, here, this is just an example of
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  Speaker 4: one of our flights. You can see pictures of the
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  Speaker 4: drone in the cloud or pictures taken from the drone
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  Speaker 4: in the cloud. And This is our algorithm to determine
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  Speaker 4: if we're actually in icing conditions. And so if you
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  Speaker 4: see that ice is accreting onto the drone, then you
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  Speaker 4: know that there's small drops of water that you can
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  Speaker 4: seed to make precipitate.
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  Speaker 3: So that's part of what we're looking for.
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  Speaker 2: That yellow dot, that's the whole business. For 80 years,
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  Speaker 2: nobody could tell a seeded cloud from a lucky one.
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  Speaker 2: Now the radar draws the line, precipitation only where the
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: dust went, nowhere else. That's what a state water agency
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: is paying for. And it isn't a lab exercise. While
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: we stood there, Rainmaker had crews in the field, drones
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: in the air, and a control room in California steering them.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Up here, you just got our mission command software. So
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: right now, we have teams up in Alaska. This is
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: the Kenai Peninsula, Kodiak Island, just a little way south.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: But when you have drones flying, you can see Altitude, pressure, temperature, humidity,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: live camera feed. You can also direct from the operation
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: center the direction, the altitude that they should be flying based.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: On what all of our weather algorithms and measurements say.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: And then the snowpacks, do you do snowpacks in Alaska
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: or are you just testing the snowpacks in Alaska?
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: So Alaska is the only part of the United States
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: that has enough super-cooled liquid in its clouds in the
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: middle of the summer.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: So we're testing up there right now. Got it, got it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: So then in the winter, you're going to build the
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: snow packs in places where there isn't snow currently or
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: they need the moisture. So in the spring and the summer,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the snow packs melt, and then you're increasing the supply
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: of water.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Drought valleys and things like that. For the Great
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake, for the Colorado River, for all the farms
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: in the American West and otherwise, yeah.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Now, downstairs is the machine that does the flying. It
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: looks nothing like a crop duster that seeded the clouds
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: for 70 years. It's built to go into weather that
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: would ice an airliner out of the sky, and it
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: carries the entire payload in a canister that fits in
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the palm of your hand. The name they gave it
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and the reason tells you everything about who runs this company.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Let's head over this way. I'll show you one of
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: our vehicles.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: So right here, This is our Elijah. So this is
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: the built-to-spec cloud-seeing drone that Rainmaker makes for all of
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: our operations. It's named Elijah after the story in First
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Kings of the prophet Elijah praying for rain.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: You ever heard of this one?
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so basically he teases the prophets of Baal and says, like,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: your god's not real, it's a demon.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Mine is, and so he'll actually deliver rain.
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: He does.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: The idea is... So you named artificial rainmaking equipment after.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: people basically taunting God for rain?
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Not taunting God. Taunting the demons that had false promises. Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And so, and we'll get into the question of playing
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: God later. I just think that's hilarious.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: No.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Well, a lot of the stuff that we build at
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Rainmaker is biblically named.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: The reason being, like, I think we have a mandate
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: to steward creation and to make it for mankind's sake
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: and also God's glorification as beautiful and abundant as possible.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: And so the same reason, like, You build dams to
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: to redirect the flow of rivers so that you can
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: store water and so you prevent floods. Weather modification, cloud
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: seeding is just the next tool to help give humanity
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: responsible stewardship over the earth.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: And so this vehicle... So this is the one that
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: sprays the stuff into the clouds?
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what disperses the silver iodide into clouds.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Couple unique things about it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: First of all, the propellers. We have a proprietary anti-icing system.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: So you know I mentioned that if you're flying like
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: a typical plane through it, you'll ice up, fall out.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: So we are using battery power to melt ice off
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: of the propellers in real time. That's how we sustain flight.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: But then also with the pressure, temperature, and humidity sensors
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: we have, we can use those measurements plus the rate
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: of ice freezing onto the propellers to measure how much
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: liquid water is in the cloud. That helps us target better,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: that helps us optimize our yields. So that's a bunch
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: of cool stuff.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: So it has sensors on, you're like, this is where
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: you want to dump it. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. And then...
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: So do it automatically? Increasingly, yes.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: So we have a bunch of human-in-the-loop meteorologists just making
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: sure that we're operating within the confines of the CONOP
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: concept of operations, but... As time goes on, you're going
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: to see more and more autonomy out of these systems. Then,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: in addition to all of the cool measurements, what you
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: have here is actually what one version of our seeding
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: system looks like.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: So this is silver iodide.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: This is the magic powder that actually makes it snow,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: makes it rain.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Spooky green powder.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And is that the dose that would go into one
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: of these? Is that the amount you would? How much
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: did you put out?
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: About seven skittles worth.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's way more than you would even see
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the cloud with.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: So about seven skittles worth, you can imagine them in
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: the palm of your hand. That delivers millions of gallons.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Of water onto the ground. Okay, so that there, how
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: many gallons of water would that represent? Is there a
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: measurement of the volume here?
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: You're talking tens of millions of gallons over a really
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: large area. There's hundreds of thousands of acres. But it's
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: a wildly efficient technology.
• 21:52
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  Speaker 2: 135 people died on the Guadalupe River July 4th of
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: last year. 27 of them were campers and counselors at
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: an all-girls summer camp called Mystic. Two days before the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: waters rose, Rainmaker flew a 20-minute cloud-seeding mission in Texas
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: over Carnes County southeast of where the flood hit by
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the company's own public accounting. The internet, well, of course,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: they did some math, and the verdict came fast.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Rainmaker did this. The states had already moved, and the
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: reason was written in the sky.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Now, Florida signed its cloud-seeding ban in June over chemtrail complaints.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: The sponsor, Senator Aleana Garcia, said her office fielded them constantly,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and she wanted to.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Separate fact from fiction.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: In force July 1st, three days before the river rose,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a third-degree felony now. Up to five years, Louisiana signed
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: its own ban the same month. One sponsor said he
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: could see the stripes over his own backyard, and in Washington,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: a Georgia congresswoman announced a bill to outlaw weather modification nationwide.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: So I asked Rainmaker directly, did you cause that flood?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: What did you release, and how much? And how could
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: you be sure that you weren't responsible?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Here's his answer.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So let's talk about the potential impacts, because there was
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: a case out of Texas last year. I think it
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: was July 4th. of last year, two days before Rainmaker
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: cloud seeded. And then two days later, there was historic flooding.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I think it was the Guadalupe River and hundreds of
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: people died. I think one of the more higher examples
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: is that it was a camp for young girls. And
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Rainmaker got a lot of blame for that because they said, hey, look,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: they're cloud seeding. Now look at all this terrible rain,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Rainmaker's responsible. I remember that happening. And I think right
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: after Florida banned cloud seeding, I think other states are
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: looking into it or looked into it at least at
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: that point.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Was Rainmaker responsible for that? Absolutely no.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: What happened in Texas was a natural disaster and a tragedy.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: It had nothing to do with weather modification.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: So order of events, we had cloud seeding programs in
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Texas to make more water for farmers and for the aquifers.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Two days before the floods, we had a cloud seeding operation.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: We released 70 grams of silver iodide. The most we've
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: ever produced in a cloud seeding mission is like 100
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: million gallons. That storm dumped over a trillion gallons of precipitation.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Our tech is nowhere near capable of doing something like that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: 70 grams of silver iodide. About 100 million gallons on
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the biggest day his company ever had. A trillion plus!
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: from the storm that hit the Hill Country. That's his defense.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to be honest, it kind of makes sense.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: He also says his company beat the state's own deadline
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to stand down before the storm.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: The state of Texas, specifically the Texas Department of Licensing
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: and Regulation, they require that you have suspension criteria, meaning
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: if there is a flood forecasted, you have to stop
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: operating so you don't make the flood worse. We actually
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: stopped operating a day prior to when the National Weather
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Service required that we would, because our meteorologists were ahead
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: of the game and forecasting as responsibly as possible.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: And so I think it makes sense that there are questions.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: But if you scrutinize the answers to those questions, you'll
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: see cloud seeding had nothing to do with it. The
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: regulations that exist actually do ensure operations are done safely.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Should there be more regulation and transparency from the industry? Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: And so rainmakers always put, to the extent that We can,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: or rather, Rainmakers always made the absolute effort to be
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: totally transparent about what we're doing. And we always welcome
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: questions from people as well.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: So then, I understand the way your technology works.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: And before this interview, you showed me the maps of
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: how you actually track the rain that you produce.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: And it's a very small amount.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: But I can imagine anybody, one, learning for the first
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: time that we can make it rain. Because I still
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: believe people are going to watch this and go, wait
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: a second, we can modify the weather.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: It's shocking.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But the other thing is, in my mind, before I
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: sat down with you, I envisioned, okay, well, now you're
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: seeding these clouds and it's already a moisture-rich environment. It's
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: combining to create this super rain event that wouldn't have
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: been as severe but for that seeding. But it doesn't
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: work like that, right? Because where you seed is only
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: rains where you seed, right? It doesn't combine into some
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: larger event or cluster into like some kind of super storm.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: No, nothing like that. Can you explain that? Yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: So when Rainmaker's cloud seeding, we're seeding clouds that don't
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: have enough water to precipitate on their own. If you
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: seed these clouds, you get a light drizzle, a light
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: flurry of snow. And after that, within hours, the effect
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: is totally done. You can't create new clouds. You can't
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: create new storms. And so the idea that making a
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: little bit of precipitation days prior to this huge flood
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: that was a convergence of two systems Like that's not
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: technically grounded. Again, happy to answer whatever questions people have
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: on the episode. But no, you can't create a bigger storm.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: You can't create a storm.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: So essentially what you seed is what you get. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: it doesn't turn into something bigger than that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: No.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: And you're again, you're operating locally on like the scale
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: of a county, generally even less than that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: And then over the course of hours, your effect is dissipated.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: And doesn't contribute to anything that happens in the ensuing hours,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: even after, let alone days.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: So the physics, by his account, can't build a storm,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: which leaves the other question, the one in every comment section.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: What's in that stuff.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: They're spraying into the clouds? Well, it's called silver ionization.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: It's been the seeding agent since the 40s. And the concentration,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: he claims, is so small that it barely even has
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: a name.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: Look.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about the technology, because I know a
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: lot of people are probably thinking, OK, well, what are
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you doing to make it rain? What are you putting
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in the clouds? And it water goes into our drinking
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: water and you know, what is it? Are you controlling
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: people's minds with your cloud seeding?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: You know, it's, it's funny because, um, like America, is,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: for the most part, being poisoned by different particulates that
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: industry has been emitting. If you look at the amount
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: of atrazine that is in the water supply, that's really bad.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: If you look at the metabolites from different hormonal birth control,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: that is affecting everybody. If you look at microplastics, those
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: do exist in American water right now. And they are
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: actually making us less healthy. So people should be concerned
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: about what goes into the ecosystem, what goes into the water,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: but cloud seeding has no consequence ecologically, agriculturally, or for
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: human health.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: And the reason for that is this.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: We use silver iodide, but we're using a couple skittles
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: worth every time we cloud seed. The increase in concentration
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: after cloud seeding, it's in the parts per quadrillion.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: The lowest threshold.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: That could make you sick, that could hurt any freshwater bacteria,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: that could hurt crops. It's 100 parts per billion. So
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: you're over a million times less than the lowest and
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: most safe threshold for this material out in the world.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: You have two parts per million silver in natural American
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: soil already. And so again, worthwhile question to ask, but no,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: absolutely no negative impact is coming from the material that
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: we're using.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Now, out on the floor, I pushed past silver iodide
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to the rest of the list, the chemicals that anchor
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: every chemtrail thread online, barium, strontium, aluminum.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: If they're in that smoke, well, I asked him, and
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: this is what he had to say.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And then what about all this other stuff that comes,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: like the other byproduct of the smoke?
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: It's just harmless or.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: So a lot of the time when you hear about
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: cloud seeding, especially on, like, Facebook, people.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: List barium, strontium, aluminum.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Like, for some reason, those are the chemicals that people
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: chose to take issue with, mostly in, like, the chemtrail discussion.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: The particulate there, we don't have any barium. We don't
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: have any strontium. We're not using, like, aluminum as a
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: seeding agent.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: This is emitting way less than your car is when
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: you're driving to and from work every week.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: And so one.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: other angle when we think about weather modification is like,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: we're unintentionally modifying the weather all of the time.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Not Rainmaker, but like the United States.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: When you build a nat gas or coal plant and
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: it emits steam from the turbine, that creates clouds and
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: precipitation downwind, right?
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: When you're emitting aerosols.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: From, you remember like the ozone hole or whatever, like
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: you can affect the atmosphere with all of these other activities.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Rainmaker is just trying to bring some intentionality to how
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: we interact with the weather.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Coming up, two more doors to open tonight. The weather
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: as a weapon. America already did it once in a
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: war and buried it until the Pentagon Papers. Now, Xi
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Jinping wants China running the sky. And the CEO you've
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: been watching says whoever scales this technology first will control
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: water for half the planet. And then the future, killing hurricanes,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: ending hail.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Who owns a cloud?
• 33:21
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  Speaker 2: The United States has already used the weather as a weapon.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Operation Popeye, hidden from the American people until the Pentagon
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Papers dragged it into the light. American aircraft seeded clouds
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: over enemy supply lines to drown the Ho Chi Minh
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Trail in mud.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: It worked well. It worked well enough.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: That the world wrote a treaty to ban weather warfare.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: That treaty is 50 years old. Technology, well, it kept moving.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: And today, the largest weather modification.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Operation on Earth belongs.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: To the Chinese Communist Party, an active zone covering roughly
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: half of China's landmass, universities, minting weather engineers, and a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: declared ambition from Xi Jinping himself, saying China will become
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a weather superpower. Ports, infrastructure, belt and road, and now
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the rain itself.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: The man who runs.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: America's answer to that machine says the choice in front
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: of this country is simple.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: And the window, well, it's open now.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I asked him about the weapon America already built and
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the one China is building.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: As a weapon?
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: So he thought about it for domestic use, same as
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: nuclear power is one use, and also he thought about
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: it in the context of the Department of War. If
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: you're modulating how much precipitation an area gets, then.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: You could imagine... there would be consequences or use cases
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: in defense.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: And so as an example, just to be super transparent
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: with you, there was a program that came out in
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: the Pentagon Papers that was revealed in the Pentagon Papers
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: called Operation Popeye. And that was the United States government
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: deliberately seeding clouds over Vietnam to impede the logistics of
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: the Viet Cong.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: The United States has used this in a.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Military and defense context before. I would not be surprised
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: to find out that China, should they want to make
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: it easier to invade Taiwan, would change the precipitation weather
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: around the country there.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: So we've been, when I say we, people, man, has
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: been manipulating the weather for at least 80 years. And
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: we have the science, there's science behind it. And we
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: have weaponized and countries have weaponized their ability to control
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the weather. And just as, and just as my mind
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: is going, Your technology is to provide the opportunity for
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: it to rain. Can the opposite happen? Can it create drought?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Can a government create drought?
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: We don't have the capacity to at Rainmaker. The science
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: isn't nearly as mature as precipitation enhancement. But the weather,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: the atmosphere, it's just physics, right? If you can make
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: it precipitate more, then it stands to reason that you
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: could intervene to make it precipitate less.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: So arguably, for military purposes.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the United States or any other country could either take
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: away country's ability to have rain or give it, right?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And so you mentioned Popeye. They were trying to control
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: their movements by creating monsoons. But theoretically, if there was
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: like a 60-year drought somewhere, technically, governments could be involved
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: in affecting weather in that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Kind of way. Is there any law? I mean, is
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: there anything that restricts us from doing this? Yes. And
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: So A government couldn't today because the tech just isn't there.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: But as this tech becomes more real, someday in the future,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: people will be able to do that.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Actually, Iran currently.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Accuses the United States and Israel of causing droughts there.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: There's something called the Environmental Modification Treaty, which after Operation
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Popeye came out, banned the weaponization of weather modification. That
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: isn't to say that nefarious actors like China wouldn't use
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: it still. They're going to act in self-interest. They're going
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: to use everything that they can in global competition. But
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: there is this international treaty that supposedly bans its use.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: 50 years ago, the world signed a treaty against exactly that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Rainmaker's CEO says that technology to weaponize weather at scale
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: is still years away, and in the same breath that
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: it's coming. So the real question is who gets there first. Today,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the largest weather modification program on Earth runs out of
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Beijing through the Chinese Meteorological Administration, and its leadership has
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: stopped being coy about what it's used for.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: And then you mentioned China.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: So China is doing their own rainmaking and they're doing
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: it at a much larger scale. Do they use the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: same technology? What does China do and does it affect us?
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: So President Xi Jinping, he said a few weeks back
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: that he wants to make China a weather superpower. It
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: is the explicit policy of the CCP to export their
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: weather tech, including their weather modification tech, to countries around
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: the world. They have a half billion dollar annual budget
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: for their weather mod program. They're producing two times the
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: flow of the Colorado River in terms of new precipitation.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: They have two universities that offer degrees in weather engineering,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: not in meteorology, not in atmospheric science, but specifically weather engineering.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: They're using their military drones for cloud seeding. They're building
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: super advanced radar and advanced materials to do this. Now,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: they're not exporting it to every country in the world yet,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: but they are operating in the Middle East, in Southeast Asia.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: If the United States doesn't get in the game, then
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: China not only will have Belt and Road, they're not
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: only going to control the ports and the infrastructure across
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: the world, they're also going to control the weather.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Half the country under active seating, a stated policy to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: export it, and a president who says the words weather
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: superpower out loud. That raised the question I had for
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: an American doing the same work on a smaller scale.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: If China is pouring water onto half of a continent
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and we started doing it here, what does the balance
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: sheet of the planet look like.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: In 20 years? And who, if anyone, writes those rules?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And now, so as more of your company supplies more
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: municipalities and private companies with water, I think of like,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I think globally, right? And I'm thinking like you said,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: China is producing large scale weather modifications and they're flooding
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: their country essentially with this technology. And then you look
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: at the United States, okay, we're building, we're putting water
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: in places that didn't have water so we can thrive. Oh,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: in aggregate over time though, is there a finite amount
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: of water that we can dump on a place? I mean, inevitably,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: is it going to throw off the balance or Is
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: that not any more than what we're already doing with
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: irrigation and moving water from one place to the next?
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't enhancing or detracting.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And I think I asked you this, but this isn't
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: enhancing or detracting long term. Like, I'm assuming a lot
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: of people, now that they know that the weather is
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: being modified and China is doing it, Saudi Arabia is
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: doing it, America is doing it. I think people envision like, oh,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: climate change, this is going to inevitably screw everything up.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, is there any truth to that? Is this
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: inevitably going to cause unforeseen problems?
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Um, I think that if you have a mindset of
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: mindset of stewardship and if there is actual regulation and
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: transparency on the tech, uh, no, but you have to
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: be totally transparent.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: It has to be well regulated.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: It should be an American company that cares about taking
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: care of things instead of just pure Chinese communist extraction. Um,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: now we're modifying the weather unintentionally, not we like Rainmaker, but,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: but the United States humanity all the time. Um, Like
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: I said earlier, when you build a power plant and
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: that emits steam, you're creating clouds and precipitation downwind. When
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: you build a housing development, the heat from the asphalt
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: actually causes air to rise.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: You get more cloud coverage because of that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: When you irrigate land, you end up getting more cloud
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: formation because natural dust particles get kicked up. And so
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: we're already modifying it in all kinds of ways. Whether
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: you care or not about CO2 emissions, we're absolutely modifying
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: the weather. Cloud seeding for the foreseeable future for years
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: to come. It we're, we're positively contributing to water supply
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: across the American west and world, but in the limit,
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: you're going to need some sort of national regulation, uh,
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: some sort of like global, uh, mandate for this tech
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: so that somebody in Canada isn't affecting water supply in
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: the United States. That's when you have a super efficient
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: system covering every square mile of the country. That's 5, 10,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: 20 years from now. But it's something that our regulators,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: something that we at Rainmaker are thinking about already.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: He says national rules are 5, 10, maybe even 20
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: years out, and that his company is already planning for them,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: which brings it back to the choice he framed at
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the very top of this hour. Somebody is going to
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: scale this technology across the world. The only open question
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: is who?
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: And for what it's worth, like, It's not lost on
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: me how crazy it sounds if you've never heard of
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: cloud seeding or weather modification. To imagine that some company
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: is going to come and modify the weather with, like,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: goodness knows what material, like, that should raise a lot
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: of eyebrows, and there should be questions.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: I'm glad that you're asking real ones. But if you
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: dive into.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Each of those questions, like, the choice boils down to, one,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: do you want more water for better ecosystems and a
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: more productive economy?
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Probably yes.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: And then two, do you want a company in the
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: United States with a concern for the well-being of our
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: nation and a concern for doing what's right by the
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: kingdom of God? Or do you want other countries and
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: their companies like China or Middle Eastern nations to have
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: this technology? I prefer the version of the world where
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: we have more water and more farms, and it's an
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: American-made company doing it rather than the one with less water,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: less farms, and Chinese control of the weather.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: When we come back, the endgame.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Killing hurricanes before they reach Florida, the lab replacing the
• 44:14
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• 44:18
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• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Japan has set a national goal. By 2050, no typhoon
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: does damage to that country ever again. Not better shelters.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: The end of the storms themselves. That is where this
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: technology is pointed. America tried it once. Project Storm Fury.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: The Weather Bureau and the Air Force flying into Atlantic
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: hurricanes decades before Radar can measure the results. Now the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: measurements exist, and the man you spent this hour with
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: calls hurricanes hail and drought. Physics problems, physics problems get solved.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: So the final question of the night, well, those questions
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: are the biggest ones.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Who owns the cloud?
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: When every square mile of this country has seeding going
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: on overhead, who decides whose rain it is? And when
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: a company names its drone after a prophet who prayed
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: for rain, Is that stewardship or is it playing God?
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: His lab is already building one of the answers, patented proteins,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: cultured from American soil designed to replace silver iodide entirely. Now,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: when you say control the weather, let's go down the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory world because you're talking about cloud seeding. You're
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: talking about adding a small amount of Skittles worth of
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: silver iodide, right? And that makes it rain right where
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: you dump it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: And that's that. And you can measure it and you
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: know where your stuff is going. Can you.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: And so when we talk about weather modification, really you're
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: talking about making it rain in a very small... Or snow.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Can you or do you or can anybody actually modify
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the weather? Steer a hurricane, for example. Create a super storm.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen a lot of these hundred-year flood events.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: We've seen a lot of these storms that are bigger
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: than ever before. It seems like every year... And I
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's the Weather Channel trying to sell
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: ads or whether they are getting big. But either way,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: every year we hear about the next biggest storm.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: So... Is that weather tech?
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, are we modifying the weather in such a
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: scale that it's actually able to hurt people?
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Not yet, no.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Right now, you do have these once-in-a-generation climatic events happening
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: every year.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: It seems like.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: And I shouldn't say weather control. It is nudging the weather.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: It's weather modification. But as time goes on, as you
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: get better at making it rain more, as you get
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: better at making it snow more, those technologies will be
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: the foundation for larger and larger interventions. So like the
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: government of Japan, for example, one of their stated goals
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: is to, by 2050, free Japan from ever experiencing a
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: typhoon again, which means they want to modify typhoons to
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: reduce the severity of damage done by them. The United States, actually,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: in the 20th century, we had something called Project Stormfury,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: where the U.S. Weather Bureau and the Air Force collaborated
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: to try to suppress hurricanes over the Atlantic. We didn't
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: have the radar or the satellites to measure anything at
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: that point. But even though it's extraordinarily complicated, even though
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: it'll take years, if not decades, to make something like
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: that work, even a little bit, in the limit, it's
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: just physics. And if it's just physics and there's incentive
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: to solve the problem of hurricanes, of drought, of hail...
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: People will build this, whether it's the United States or otherwise,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: that's like a policy decision. That's a cultural decision. But
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: in the 21st century, people will be getting closer and
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: closer to true weather control rather than just small modification.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Nudging, he calls it.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: A drizzle here, a snowfall there, gone in hours. But
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Japan is talking about the end of typhoons, and the
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: United States once flew airplanes into hurricanes to try to
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: break them up. So I asked the obvious follow-up. His
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: company is contracted for snowpack. Is that where the ambition stops?
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: But Rainmaker, you're limited to contracting for building essentially snowpacks
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: or or irrigation in places to affect a small scale
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: for now. So, so you do have ambitions to do
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: some things at larger scale.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, what I care about most right now, what
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: the next many years of my life are going to
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: be focused on is delivering water to places that can't
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: get it right. If you're in, uh, the panhandle of Texas,
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: then you can't build a desal plant to pipe water there.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: You need to make it rain more. Um, if you're
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: in the mountains of Idaho, you need to make it
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: snow more. That's my foremost and singular concern. Um, However,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: if you've ever had your roof or your car smashed
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: by hail, you know that that's not a good thing.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: If you see that there's billions of dollars in insurance
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: payouts every year because hail's smashing your neighborhood, that's a
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: problem that we should probably solve. If hurricanes are routinely
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: blowing up Florida or Louisiana, you need to be super
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: deliberate and very cautious and very transparent and regulated. But
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: that's a physical problem that can save people's lives, that
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: can prevent billions of dollars in damage.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: I don't view myself as a techno-optimist.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of these people in San Francisco that
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: are talking about building AI to take over the world.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: They're talking about building God. They've never been in a
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: church in their lives. They don't care about the average
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: American's well-being. I think that that vision for tech is bad.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: You can't just build tech and assume it'll be good.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: But If you can build technologies that serve the American interest,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: if you can build technologies that make the world more abundant,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: we should. And we should do it cautiously, but we
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: absolutely should try to solve extremely ambitious problems like drought
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: and hurricanes. And I plan for Rainmaker to do so
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: in years and years to come.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: So you hope that your company can see a monster
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: storm and fly one of your drones into the center
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: of it and drop whatever happens to it? drop to
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: get rid of the circulation, essentially, to disrupt the destructive
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: force of a hurricane. Same thing with a tornado. Same
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: thing with a hailstorm. You hope that your technology someday
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: can actually disrupt severe weather and also create weather where
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: needed to provide water.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we just figured out the snow thing, so it's
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: going to be a minute. It's going to be a minute.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: But eventually, yeah. Hurricanes, hail, drought, physics problems, in his words.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: And physics problems get solved, which brings the question no
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: legislature in this country has touched.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: If a cloud over Utah is.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Somebody's future water and a company harvests it under contract,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: who did it belong to?
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Out on the floor, I put it to him as
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: a property question. Look.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: But when it comes out of the clouds, that moisture,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: whatever's there is intended for something. Whether it's nature or
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Rainmaker to come and say, hey, grab me. I'm ready
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: to come down. You're pulling that out under contract. Does
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: that take away from somebody else later? Because now that
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: moisture is being depleted from the natural cycle of things, right?
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  Speaker 3: It's a great question. Like, are you stealing from Peter
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  Speaker 3: to pay Paul? Basically.
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  Speaker 4: Firstly, the majority of the water that goes over the
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: United States atmosphere, it doesn't precipitate over land.
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  Speaker 3: It just gets recycled by the oceans.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And so there are multiples more, maybe as much as
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: 10 times more water up in the atmosphere that isn't
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: coming down that we can seed and harvest for productive
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  Speaker 4: use instead of just letting it spill into the oceans.
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  Speaker 3: So that's point one. You can actually do positive sum
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  Speaker 3: additive seeding.
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  Speaker 4: Then point two, in the limit, in the distant future,
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: when every square mile of the country has a weather
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: modification program, when it's super efficient, you're going to need
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: the state to, maybe the federal government even, to.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: impose some structure for cloud water rights.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: In the same way that we have water rights for
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: our rivers, we'll need those for clouds. And that's not
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: today or next year, but in 5, 10, 15, yeah,
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: you will need regulation to dictate.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Who gets what. Airbound riparian rights. That's really interesting.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: The other unfinished piece is the powder itself. Silver iodide
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: has done the job for 80 years. He says it's
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: safe for 100 more. And that his company intends to
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: retire it anyway.
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  Speaker 4: In here, is where some of the most advanced material
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: science and biochemistry work is happening at Rainmaker.
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  Speaker 3: Silver iodide, it works really well.
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  Speaker 4: But if you could get something that was more effective,
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: that was less costly, and was totally biodegradable, even if
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: silver iodide's ecologically and environmentally fine for the next hundred years,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: we want to be ahead of the curve.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: And use something more effective.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: And so we're culturing proteins here that are, naturally found
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: in the soil of the United States, and are more
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: effective at nucleating ice and inducing precipitation than silver iodide is.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: And then you would just basically powder, make those proteins
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: into a powder and spray it?
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: We'll either do a powder or we might release droplets
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: of water with.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: The protein in it. That's the roadmap.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: More water, safer material, and a decade of rules still
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: to be written. One last question before I left. A
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: question about my home state of Florida.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Can you make it snow in Florida? Uh, sometimes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you if you have. I
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: want to let the people guess. So if it ever
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: snows in Florida. It's not. It's illegal.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: It snowed in Tallahassee a year ago, and that freaked
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of people out.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: That wasn't you. No, it was not.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: So it's just places that are supposed to snow that
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: you're making snow. Yeah.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: So there you have it. It's true.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: We can control the weather. And now you know who's
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: doing it and why. Did it change your opinion at all?
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: I wonder. Let us know what you think.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Send us an email to davidpollockprimetime at oadoublen.com and send
• 55:39
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• 55:43
  Speaker 2: with Rainmaker. And as for us, we'll see you at
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: the same time, same place tomorrow. And until then, you
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: stay classy, America, and happy Labor Day, everyone.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Good night.
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