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BONUS: Are Ja'Kobi Jackson & The Running Game Making Progress? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: All right. Bonus episode number two, this week, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to get to hear a little bit from Ryan day
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  Speaker 1: about the Ohio state offense on this show. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like the offense is trending in a good direction. Jeremiah
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  Speaker 1: Smith has been trending in a great direction since he
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  Speaker 1: got to Ohio state, but the rest of the offense,
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  Speaker 1: including the running game feels like it might be picking
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  Speaker 1: a business, maybe picking up a little bit for them.
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  Speaker 1: Is Ryan day happy with where the running game seems
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  Speaker 1: to be headed after that Iowa game?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they ran downhill and they got physical.
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  Speaker 2: I think our running game right now, um, when you
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  Speaker 2: look at the efficiency, is solid. But we want to
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  Speaker 2: be more explosive still. We want to create bigger runs.
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  Speaker 2: I think that they're there to be had. But that's
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  Speaker 2: everybody involved with it. I do think everybody was involved
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  Speaker 2: with the run game. I think you saw the receivers
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  Speaker 2: digging it in there, getting their nose dirty. I think
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  Speaker 2: the tight ends battled. The offensive line was battling. And
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  Speaker 2: I think for the most part, you saw both Bo, Jacoby,
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  Speaker 2: and Isaiah run with their pads down and run through contact,
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  Speaker 2: which was great and kept us on schedule, allowed us
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  Speaker 2: to be efficient. So that needs to continue. Allowed us
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  Speaker 2: to control the game, obviously, in the fourth quarter in particular.
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  Speaker 2: But we always we got work to do because when
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  Speaker 2: you can create explosives in a run game, that's when
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  Speaker 2: your offense can really take off. And so that's that's
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  Speaker 2: got to be the next step that the whole offense takes,
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  Speaker 2: not just the running backs, but they're obviously the one
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  Speaker 2: with the ball in their hands.
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  Speaker 1: After the game on Saturday, Julian Sane was asked about
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  Speaker 1: the time he threw into triple coverage and kind of
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  Speaker 1: laughed and said, which one? And yeah, when you win
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  Speaker 1: the game, yeah, you can laugh about it a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: but it also is a little bit of a learning
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  Speaker 1: lesson as well. So what kind of conversation has Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Day had with Julian Sane about throwing it to Jeremiah
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  Speaker 1: Smith and leaning on Jeremiah Smith the way that he has?
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  Speaker 1: And that's certainly understandable when Jeremiah Smith is as good
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  Speaker 1: as Jeremiah Smith is, but also kind of knowing that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes there are going to be better options like that
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  Speaker 1: throw into triple coverage that turned into a 52 yard
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  Speaker 1: gain on Saturday, but they were probably other guys who
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  Speaker 1: were maybe a little more open. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, if, if it's one-on-one, he's open. If
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  Speaker 2: he's double covered, he's sort of open. If he's triple covered,
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  Speaker 2: he's covered. So, uh, it means somebody has got to
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  Speaker 2: be open somewhere else. I say that half kidding, but, um,
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  Speaker 2: I think, uh, for Jules, it's, it's, it's always about
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  Speaker 2: just like all the guys, it's always about the process
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to the result, you know? Um, That was
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  Speaker 2: a result of a ridiculous throw and a ridiculous catch. Eventually,
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  Speaker 2: that's going to get us beat. So we have to
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  Speaker 2: be smart about that. That being said, when you go
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  Speaker 2: to commit to it, you've got to make it work.
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  Speaker 3: And he did.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll give him credit on that. And Jeremiah obviously
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  Speaker 2: made a ridiculous play. But we've got to get back
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  Speaker 2: to the process and staying consistent.
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  Speaker 3: And when you.
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  Speaker 2: Start going through all that, you start to recognize all
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  Speaker 2: the areas that we can continue to get better. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's made some strides the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Now we've got to keep building on that. But to
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  Speaker 2: your point, one bad play can ruin your whole afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think he understands that. He's got a
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  Speaker 2: really good attitude. I think his leadership's been good. His
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  Speaker 2: mentality's been good. He's been spending a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: in here with the coaches, with the other players.
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  Speaker 3: So we need him to be great. You know, can't
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  Speaker 3: have a bad play, can't have a bad day.
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  Speaker 1: The Ohio State offensive line was a big topic during
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  Speaker 1: fall camp, and it felt like, okay, they had settled
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  Speaker 1: into this is their five starters on the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: at the start of the season, and then Phillip Daniels
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  Speaker 1: got hurt. And that injury has kind of lingered a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. So what is Phillip Daniels' status? And whenever
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  Speaker 1: he is back, whether that's this week or next week
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  Speaker 1: at Indiana, when he's back and healthy, will he jump
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  Speaker 1: right back into the starting lineup as soon as he's available?
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  Speaker 2: I've always felt like you don't lose a position just
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  Speaker 2: because you get injured. That being said, I think there's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of rhythm going on right there, so
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  Speaker 2: we'll have to identify that as it goes. I think
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  Speaker 2: we thought Phil would have been back a little bit sooner.
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  Speaker 2: He'll be limited today. We'll see how he looks today.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully we can get him going with some scout work
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  Speaker 2: throughout the middle of the week and get him available
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  Speaker 2: for this game. And then once he is available, we'll
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  Speaker 2: figure out how many snaps he can take and then
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  Speaker 2: how we would rotate that in a game.
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  Speaker 3: But we're anxious to get Phil back. That's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And how he gets integrated back into it will be
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  Speaker 2: based on his health.
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  Speaker 1: Here's one that I know comes up on Twitter every
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  Speaker 1: time I mention something about their success right before halftime.
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  Speaker 1: They have scored in the last 15 seconds of the
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  Speaker 1: first half in all five games. They are killing it
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  Speaker 1: in the two-minute drill. So, okay, this feels like a
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  Speaker 1: logical follow-up question. So All right, if it's working then,
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  Speaker 1: why not use tempo more throughout the rest of the game?
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  Speaker 2: When you come out of like even the one that
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  Speaker 2: we had coming out of this game in particular against
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  Speaker 2: a really good defense, you got to come out of it,
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  Speaker 2: at least look at it and say, is this a
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  Speaker 2: way to kind of change the pace of the game? Now,
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  Speaker 2: the way a team is playing inside of a minute
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  Speaker 2: and a half is different than how they're playing on
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  Speaker 2: first and second down. So, you know, I thought our
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  Speaker 2: combination of run and pass and then understanding we had
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  Speaker 2: two timeouts left and all of that was really well done.
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  Speaker 2: that is a different situation than being just in a normal, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, drive within, um, the body of a half.
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  Speaker 2: All that being said, I think it's been pretty efficient
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  Speaker 2: and I think we need to continue to look at
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  Speaker 2: and see if there's some things that we can do, um,
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  Speaker 2: that'll allow us to change the tempo. Um, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's good when you change things up. Um, and it's
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  Speaker 2: been a pretty, pretty decent weapon for us when we've
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  Speaker 2: been able to move quickly. Um, But then at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the game, to eat up nine and a
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  Speaker 2: half minutes on your last drive, that kind of ends
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  Speaker 2: the game that way. So being able to do both
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  Speaker 2: of those things, one at the end of the half
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  Speaker 2: when you're trying to.
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  Speaker 3: Elongate the game, but then also at.
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  Speaker 2: The end of the game when you're able to shorten
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  Speaker 2: the game, that's schematically and strategically the best thing to do.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we'll do. If we're struggling to get things going,
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: That would be a great opportunity to inject some tempo
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  Speaker 2: to get the guys moving. But I felt for the
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  Speaker 2: most part during our game, we were moving the ball decent.
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  Speaker 2: I think we had a good rhythm of run pass.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things about when you're in the huddle,
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  Speaker 2: you get to be a little bit more efficient with
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  Speaker 2: the type of plays that you run as opposed to tempo.
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  Speaker 2: You're a little bit hamstrung in terms of, hey, man,
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  Speaker 2: we've called this play. And if we get a bad look,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to handle it. When you're dealing with a huddle,
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  Speaker 2: you have a little bit more opportunities to get ourselves
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  Speaker 2: into the right play and be more efficient. But there's
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  Speaker 2: no question that there is a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: rhythm to a tempo that changes the pace for the
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  Speaker 2: guys on defense.
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  Speaker 1: This was a topic that actually started on our message
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  Speaker 1: board at BuckeyeInsiders.com, and Tony Gerderman asked Brian Day about
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  Speaker 1: it at interviews on Tuesday. When you have a workhorse
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  Speaker 1: running back, a 1,500, 2,000-yard running back, no one asks,
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  Speaker 1: can you ride a running back like that to a
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  Speaker 1: national title? But it feels like there is kind of
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  Speaker 1: a conversation about doing that with a wide receiver. If
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  Speaker 1: you have a wide receiver as talented as Jeremiah Smith,
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  Speaker 1: Can you ride a workhorse-wide receiver to a national title?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think so. But, you know, it's got
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  Speaker 2: to be more than just him, for sure. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 2: we think that he's going to be the only one.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think that that's been the case. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's been great to see guys step up. But
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  Speaker 2: I think everybody understands that. I think the guys up front,
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  Speaker 2: in particular, you know, feel like they want to win
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  Speaker 2: the game. I think the other receivers want an opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, to get Devin that early touchdown
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  Speaker 2: and I thought it was a well-designed play. We got
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  Speaker 2: him matched up on a Sam linebacker on kind of
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  Speaker 2: a return route. And then the protection on that allowed
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  Speaker 2: Julian enough time for the play to develop.
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  Speaker 3: And then Devin finished it off.
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  Speaker 2: I thought the move Devin had, the double move on
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  Speaker 2: the corner on second and 19, that proved to be
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  Speaker 2: a huge play on that drive. So it was great
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  Speaker 2: to see him make those plays. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: going to build his confidence, hopefully. And then Nate Roberts
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  Speaker 2: had another third down catch for us. And so Brock
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  Speaker 2: and Chris both played significant minutes. Um, we're getting Kyle
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  Speaker 2: Parker back now this week. So, um, you know, these are,
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  Speaker 2: these are really good opportunities for all these guys to
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  Speaker 2: step up and, and help, um, you know, take some
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  Speaker 2: pressure off of Jeremiah. Although, you know, he, and I
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  Speaker 2: think we, you know, it's a lot of work because
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  Speaker 2: everyone knows who he is. I mean, and there's no
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  Speaker 2: secret that, you know, he's going to be the first
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  Speaker 2: progression in a lot of reads. So coming up with
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  Speaker 2: different ways to get him the ball other than throwing
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  Speaker 2: triple coverage is, um, is kind of exhausting. But I
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  Speaker 2: think the offensive staff and Arthur have done a good job.
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  Speaker 2: But Maryland's going to do a good job with this week,
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  Speaker 2: their scheme and what they do, coordinator with an NFL background.
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  Speaker 2: So we got to do a good job of that.
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  Speaker 2: But what's the best way to do that? You know,
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  Speaker 2: a really good run game, another guy stepping up in
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  Speaker 2: other areas.
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  Speaker 1: Teams have had to come up with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different creative solutions to try and control or contain Jeremiah
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  Speaker 1: Smith this season. And not all of them have worked. Really,
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  Speaker 1: most of them have not worked. But one of them
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  Speaker 1: has been, you know, just grab them and see if
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  Speaker 1: the officials don't throw a flag. And a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times they don't. They're not going to flag everything, right?
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  Speaker 1: But Brian Day was asked about, is there any frustration
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  Speaker 1: with looking at some of the past interference calls that
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  Speaker 1: have not been made on contact against Jeremiah Smith as
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  Speaker 1: compared to some of the ones that have been called
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  Speaker 1: in other situations?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to get into that too much
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  Speaker 2: right now, but it's something that I try to explain
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  Speaker 2: to those guys about. I mean, when you're that big
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  Speaker 2: and that strong, you know, a foul doesn't look the same.
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  Speaker 2: And so there are plays that I, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: question and I contend are PIs in holding. But and
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  Speaker 2: I think it needs to be recognized that when you're
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  Speaker 2: that big of a player, it's still a foul, whether
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  Speaker 2: you push through it because you have strength and size.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: But he's obviously very unique, and I think it's something
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  Speaker 2: that they need to look at and make sure that
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  Speaker 2: they're officiating the right way.
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  Speaker 1: One of the pleasant surprises on this year's team is
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  Speaker 1: transfer running back Jacoby Jackson. He came over from Florida
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  Speaker 1: during the offseason in the transfer portal. He figured he
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  Speaker 1: was maybe going to be a role player this year,
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  Speaker 1: maybe something like that, and then now he's pushing Bo
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  Speaker 1: Jackson for the starting job.
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  Speaker 3: He was.
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  Speaker 1: basically become 1A or 1A to Bo Jackson's 1B, if
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  Speaker 1: not vice versa. So what is the response from Bo
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  Speaker 1: Jackson been there going from pretty clearly the clear-cut starter
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  Speaker 1: last year to now maybe co-starters? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody needs to feel pressure and everybody
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  Speaker 2: needs to feel competition and we're challenging a lot of
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  Speaker 2: different people and it's a good thing. When Quinshawn and
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  Speaker 2: Travion were working together, they were challenging each other every day.
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  Speaker 2: I think Quinshawn really helped Travion in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: ways and I think vice versa. Well, it's the same
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  Speaker 2: thing here. Jacoby's coming in and I think he's pushing Bo,
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  Speaker 2: but they have a great relationship and I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a healthy relationship and I think it's a healthy competition.
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  Speaker 2: So And Isaiah West, you know, all three of these
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  Speaker 2: guys got to play really well for us. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when you think about the teams that, you know, make
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  Speaker 2: deep runs, you know, have running backs they can count
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  Speaker 2: on that are big time backs that play at a
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  Speaker 2: high level. And so they know what the challenge has
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  Speaker 2: been to them. And I think they're responding and getting
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  Speaker 2: better like a lot of guys on the team. But
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  Speaker 2: we still got a lot of meat left on the bone.
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  Speaker 2: And so, you know, the more these guys can, again,
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  Speaker 2: put pressure on each other and challenge each other along
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  Speaker 2: with the coaches, the better we're going to be.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that I think drove Ohio State fans crazy
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday was the decision to go into the Wildcat,
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  Speaker 1: and then they had a couple guys in motion. It
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  Speaker 1: was just kind of a mess, and it just blew
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  Speaker 1: up and killed a drive at one point earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the game. So then when they went back to that
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  Speaker 1: later in the game, was that just sort of a
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  Speaker 1: matter of, okay, let's just try this again, and let's
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  Speaker 1: get some positive good reps on film rather than just
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  Speaker 1: have it be that one debacle?
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  Speaker 2: It was very disappointing that we didn't execute the third one.
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  Speaker 2: You can look at it and see how it finished.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we didn't get that done.
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  Speaker 2: And then the fourth and one, we botched. And we
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  Speaker 2: put a lot of work into that. So to see
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  Speaker 2: nothing come out of that was really discouraging and really
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  Speaker 2: pissed everybody off. So when we had an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: finish the game with it, it was another fourth and
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  Speaker 2: one situation. And we had an idea of what they
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  Speaker 2: would be in. We thought it was the right thing
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  Speaker 2: to do to call it again so we could at
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  Speaker 2: least sleep that night. But it was good to get that.
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  Speaker 2: And then Bo got to the last guy and finished
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  Speaker 2: it off. The guys did a good job of handling
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  Speaker 2: it up front. So we finally got that right. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't align right and it wasn't executed right. And
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  Speaker 2: it just goes to show you, you've got to keep.
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  Speaker 3: Doing it over and over and over and over and
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  Speaker 3: over again until you get it right.
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  Speaker 2: And even then, you've just got to make sure you're
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  Speaker 2: focused and doing the right things. But We spent a
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  Speaker 2: lot of time trying to go over those situations to
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  Speaker 2: put these guys in a situation to be successful.
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  Speaker 3: Ultimately, we've got to go put it on the field.
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  Speaker 2: It's our job to make sure that what we're doing
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  Speaker 2: in practice is simulating what's going to be in the game,
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  Speaker 2: the noise, all those things.
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