Latest / Turley Talks / Ep. 4031 The Left Is FURIOUS Over the COMEBACK of Classical Education!!!
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- 0:21[SPEAKER_01]: John, I'm nervous now.
- 0:23[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know why I'm nervous?
- 0:24[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think I listen to a podcast of yours, where you sit back and you say, you like to listen to how people introduce you, and you're always fast at it.
- 0:33[SPEAKER_01]: And now I'm like, okay, why do I introduce you?
- 0:37[SPEAKER_00]: Because I have, I just, I'm a little bit of, like, a, like, a, you're, you're a, you're a, I have a lot of, I have a lot of things going on.
- 0:44[SPEAKER_01]: Here's, and I decided this is hungry to introduce you.
- 0:47[SPEAKER_01]: You are without a doubt one of my favorite YouTubers.
- 0:51[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's, that's a very kind of, that's a very kind.
- 0:54[SPEAKER_01]: Without a doubt game, if you have not subscribed to Jonathan's symbolic world, you gotta do that literally right now, because you're not gonna get
- 1:03[SPEAKER_01]: richer and deeper analyses and takes in culture.
- 1:08[SPEAKER_01]: I love the way analyze culture.
- 1:11[SPEAKER_01]: But you are, I mean, formally, though, you're an iconographer.
- 1:15[SPEAKER_01]: I would say, I'd call you a public intellectual, lack better term, you know, basically.
- 1:20[SPEAKER_00]: get paid to to think.
- 1:22[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's actually, yeah.
- 1:25[SPEAKER_01]: And, and I, and you are the creator of the symbolic world.
- 1:31[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so it's a wonderful channel and I urge everyone to subscribe to this right now.
- 1:36[SPEAKER_01]: You will not be disappointed.
- 1:38[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely beautiful.
- 1:39[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it probably half our audience knows you anyway.
- 1:42[SPEAKER_01]: They've seen you around.
- 1:43[SPEAKER_01]: You're pretty prolific.
- 1:44[SPEAKER_01]: So,
- 1:45[SPEAKER_01]: I've been wanting to chat with you forever.
- 1:47[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have like little exchanges.
- 1:50[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Instagram, different places.
- 1:51[SPEAKER_00]: And it just never happened.
- 1:52[SPEAKER_00]: And they're happy.
- 1:52[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's interesting.
- 1:53[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting.
- 1:54[SPEAKER_01]: It's such an honor.
- 1:56[SPEAKER_01]: So you just came back from Ark in the UK.
- 2:00[SPEAKER_00]: You want to give us a little, uh, sure.
- 2:04[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, arc is something that Jordan Peterson started two years ago.
- 2:08[SPEAKER_00]: I think about four years ago now with Philip Astralde.
- 2:11[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and uh, you know, it was really in some ways Jordan wanted to do something like a kind of reaction to Davos, something that was that had the same kind of,
- 2:22[SPEAKER_00]: Gravitas, but was moving away from the value that Davos was promoting.
- 2:27[SPEAKER_00]: And the big purpose was to open up the original window to be able to talk about things that that weren't that were taboo.
- 2:33[SPEAKER_01]: Like talking about family talking about about like four years again.
- 2:36[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
- 2:37[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's been great to see it to see it to have success.
- 2:41[SPEAKER_00]: And now this year, taking on a lot of the AI question.
- 2:44[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of discussion, that was my speech this year was on was on AI.
- 2:47[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's our okay, cool.
- 2:49[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 2:49[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've been doing...
- 2:50[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of things on AI.
- 2:51[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're really reflecting on it.
- 2:53[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, it's interesting, I'm sure, well, let's just go right into it and that's sad.
- 2:59[SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't know we're in Atlanta or at the ACCS conference, who says the Asian, classical British schools, repairing the ruins, we're all doing our part to repair the ruins here.
- 3:08[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that I think is interesting in the AI area
- 3:20[SPEAKER_01]: on a personal level, like how it affects us in an individual level.
- 3:24[SPEAKER_01]: But what about AI at the level of like geopolitics, you know, it's like there's an arms race against China right now.
- 3:30[SPEAKER_01]: And then the notion this you controls AI controls the world and we don't want China controlling real kind of thing.
- 3:35[SPEAKER_01]: What have you been able to put some of that together?
- 3:39[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 3:39[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 3:39[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that's really what one of the things the speech I did at Arx is here was about, you know, there's a term they call it the Molok trap.
- 3:46[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I think that this is what's happening in AI is that there's an escalation trap where you once someone introduces a technology, you're forced to implement it, and in implementing it, you end up sacrificing the things that you care about just in order not to lose the competition.
- 4:05[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's what's happening with AI is that we are mindlessly rushing to
- 4:15[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and we're, you know, to hell with the consequences, we have no idea.
- 4:18[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 4:19[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, you know, the people that are implementing it, the people that are making it are the same ones warning us that it could kill everyone.
- 4:26[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 4:26[SPEAKER_00]: And so you have this, it's one on particular.
- 4:28[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm very freaked out by that.
- 4:31[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that that it's very worrisome and I don't think there's a systems.
- 4:35[SPEAKER_00]: reaction that is, I mean, the snakes out of the bag, right?
- 4:38[SPEAKER_00]: Can put it back in and I understand how, in terms of practicality, we have to run this race, but so my appeal is mostly to people, right?
- 4:48[SPEAKER_00]: Did the persons and say, you know, this technology is actually trying to really trying to enslave us in the sense that we will become dependent for it in everything that we do.
- 4:59[SPEAKER_00]: And so my appeal is to people to not let that happen to them
- 5:04[SPEAKER_00]: Right, cultivate that a little bit of soul, you know, so, so, you know, the, with the eyes trying to do is in someone's to exteriorize all of our intelligence, all of our memory and what I'm saying is you have to now put in deliberate effort to do that and keep that.
- 5:20[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
- 5:21[SPEAKER_00]: When we, for example, like when we teach our children to play music in order to play sports, most of us don't think that that'll be their job, right?
- 5:28[SPEAKER_00]: We don't think that there'll be professionals.
- 5:29[SPEAKER_00]: And what I'm, what I'm saying is we need to do that enough for everything.
- 5:32[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 5:32[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 5:33[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you need to learn poems, learn scripture.
- 5:35[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 5:36[SPEAKER_00]: You know,
- 5:37[SPEAKER_00]: get the wisdom, get the knowledge inside you, not because it'll be useful for you professionally.
- 5:42[SPEAKER_00]: It will actually ultimately, but mostly because those that will be truly human are the ones that won't become vassals to this thing.
- 5:50[SPEAKER_01]: It's so interesting because it seems like it's forcing your you're bringing up a really great point.
- 5:54[SPEAKER_01]: It's forcing the return of classical practices.
- 5:57[SPEAKER_00]: I know well we're in the right place because this is the future like classical education humanities is the future of education Yeah, they tell they they used to tell us learn to code right you make sure you get a job Well, that's over that's over now or Latin come on the count it right not sure right right exactly now It'll be you know learn Homer learn
- 6:16[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, read the philosophers have wisdom, have discernment, and that is actually, you know, whether the AI thing leads to collapse or to kind of utopia, those people are the ones that are going to win.
- 6:29[SPEAKER_00]: So it's even in testing, they're bringing back.
- 6:33[SPEAKER_00]: oral test way.
- 6:34[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the back of the middle ages.
- 6:36[SPEAKER_01]: The exactly the rhetorical dimension to it and being able to master the material in a way that's eloquent and beautiful and so it's it's fascinating how it is an archio future kind of yeah vibe that's happening.
- 6:51[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I mean it's always that's in so is the only hope that I have for this AI revolution is that it leads
- 7:00[SPEAKER_00]: to be forced, you know, to develop wisdom, right?
- 7:02[SPEAKER_00]: Because either you do or you die, either you do or you just become sore, you just become an AI, it's a lot of mine that is just, yeah, just basically feeding the machine with intelligence.
- 7:11[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 7:13[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow, um, that's, yeah.
- 7:16[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about, in that line, you're talking about fairy tales tonight, right?
- 7:21[SPEAKER_01]: And you have a, at your booth, this whole beautiful, you have a beautiful booth.
- 7:24[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta tell you that.
- 7:25[SPEAKER_01]: We need a booth like this.
- 7:27[SPEAKER_01]: This is beautiful.
- 7:29[SPEAKER_01]: You have a lot of aesthetically beautiful booth that covers of your, your new books.
- 7:33[SPEAKER_01]: So you're, you're in the publishing now, I guess.
- 7:35[SPEAKER_00]: So, wow, yeah.
- 7:37[SPEAKER_00]: So you're hard to introduce it, but it's all the same thing.
- 7:42[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really what I would I believe is that even before this AI revolution was happening, my sense is we have to lead with beauty.
- 7:51[SPEAKER_00]: We have to leave with positiveism, one of the problems with the conservative world for the past few decades is that everybody's reactionary.
- 7:58[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's just trying to stop.
- 8:00[SPEAKER_00]: We know the bad things from happening.
- 8:01[SPEAKER_00]: Let's prevent our kids from accessing this.
- 8:03[SPEAKER_00]: Let's protect them.
- 8:05[SPEAKER_01]: And how successful it's happened, right?
- 8:07[SPEAKER_00]: What I say is, no, we have the best stuff.
- 8:09[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 8:09[SPEAKER_00]: Like we have the best stories, we have the best art.
- 8:11[SPEAKER_00]: We have the best music.
- 8:12[SPEAKER_00]: We have all the best.
- 8:13[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 8:14[SPEAKER_00]: And so let's actually put that forward.
- 8:16[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 8:16[SPEAKER_00]: And let's move with that love.
- 8:18[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why, you know, you know, so I quit.
- 8:20[SPEAKER_00]: I talk online and I do these YouTube videos, but I want to lead by example.
- 8:24[SPEAKER_00]: That's why the icon carving and now the fairytale and the book published saying,
- 8:29[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 8:30[SPEAKER_01]: What are you going to be talking?
- 8:31[SPEAKER_01]: It just give us a little snippet of what you're going to be talking about tonight.
- 8:34[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because here we're at ACCS, you know, when I grew up, there was a little bit of a shadow over fairytales, you know, a centaur.
- 8:41[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 8:42[SPEAKER_00]: That fairytales are maybe their pagan.
- 8:43[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 8:44[SPEAKER_00]: And they're not real.
- 8:45[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're not real.
- 8:47[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that from parents.
- 8:48[SPEAKER_00]: So what I want to do is I want to give the teachers and the people here a confidence to first of all, notice how close they are to scripture and to just give them confidence to be wanting to read them to the children.
- 8:59[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, when I looked up your talk, I immediately thought a chesterton where he said that fairy tales taught him Orthodox Christian doctrine before he ever encountered the doctrine that
- 9:18[SPEAKER_01]: Essay Ethics of L. Fland was one of my favorites that I would read was students all the time about an epistemology of wonder.
- 9:26[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and all as opposed to the skepticism and the doubt and the flippancy.
- 9:30[SPEAKER_00]: And that's right.
- 9:31[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's such a great.
- 9:32[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly it because one of the reasons why we started the fairy tales.
- 9:36[SPEAKER_00]: When I when I decided to actually do it was when I heard the Disney was making the live action Snow White back in like 20, 20, 20, 20, 21.
- 9:43[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 9:43[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 9:45[SPEAKER_00]: Wait a minute, they can't, they can't do the kiss, they can't do the dwarves, there's so many parts that they can't do because they're all politically captured, right?
- 9:54[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought, okay, now's the time to just take the stories back.
- 9:58[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want them.
- 9:58[SPEAKER_00]: They actually don't want the stories to take them back and let's show them beautifully, you know, with that kind of sense of wonder and a participation that they're that that's what they're for.
- 10:08[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
- 10:09[SPEAKER_01]: It's so odd.
- 10:10[SPEAKER_01]: They, they, they latch on to these timeless stories for you.
- 10:15[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're that's it.
- 10:16[SPEAKER_00]: They latch on to these stores and then they, they can't do anything with them.
- 10:20[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the thing too that everybody, you know, for the past decades, we've had a whole vision of an ironic vision.
- 10:28[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 10:28[SPEAKER_00]: So everything is upside down.
- 10:30[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is trying to destroy the structure.
- 10:32[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 10:32[SPEAKER_00]: So we take the stories and then we infiltrate them.
- 10:35[SPEAKER_00]: We subvert them.
- 10:37[SPEAKER_00]: We make them say the opposite of what they used to say.
- 10:39[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 10:39[SPEAKER_00]: And this has been the approach of media and the movies now for the past several decades.
- 10:43[SPEAKER_00]: Now what's what's fun about that is that.
- 10:46[SPEAKER_00]: That runs out.
- 10:48[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because you can only make fun of something.
- 10:49[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, in term and us, yeah, until you're at, you have to say, oh, wait a minute, I forgot why this was valuable enough to make fun of in the first place.
- 10:57[SPEAKER_00]: So where that woman now?
- 10:58[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, let's show them why they were making fun of.
- 11:01[SPEAKER_00]: Let's show them how beautiful and powerful they are.
- 11:04[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
- 11:05[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about this actually today when I was thinking about what like I want to chat with you on because you're you're you're you're your command of the significance of story and just how are our minds function in in narrative form.
- 11:21[SPEAKER_01]: How does that relate to the iconographic craft?
- 11:28[SPEAKER_01]: Because as a musician, we have equilibrium, we have dissonance, and we have resolution, so there's a narrative logic to it.
- 11:37[SPEAKER_01]: What about iconography?
- 11:38[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so one of the things that happened to me was, as an artist, I discovered the medieval visual language, and the traditional language of the Orthodox Church as well.
- 11:51[SPEAKER_00]: doing what stories do but in space, right?
- 11:54[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a coherence and there's a logic to the image that does things with the structure of the story.
- 12:00[SPEAKER_00]: In a manner that the story can't do, right?
- 12:02[SPEAKER_00]: So you can create, you can actually create a temporal relationship where the day in the story of the activity of Christ, you can show things that happen in different moments in the story, and kind of bring it together, right?
- 12:12[SPEAKER_00]: And so that helped me understand the structure of the stories.
- 12:17[SPEAKER_00]: And then when I went back into the stories,
- 12:19[SPEAKER_00]: than I could see the structures in the stories too.
- 12:21[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, learning about the visual aspect, how things are placed in space, help me then go back and understand the narrative and the culture in time.
- 12:30[SPEAKER_01]: And we think narratively, we think visually and narrative.
- 12:35[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like as well.
- 12:36[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious, have you run into any of that?
- 12:39[SPEAKER_01]: So in particularly here at ACCS, I love ACCS.
- 12:44[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to tell you, I am so excited.
- 12:46[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the orthodox have taken over ACCS.
- 12:49[SPEAKER_01]: We have finally stormed the cast.
- 12:52[SPEAKER_01]: So when I was, I became more with that like 20 years ago.
- 12:55[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I was teaching and would come to this conference, it was like me and like a couple other guys.
- 13:00[SPEAKER_01]: And they kind of cast us away and they're just going, yeah.
- 13:04[SPEAKER_01]: your own quarter.
- 13:05[SPEAKER_01]: Now like you, Alex have you met Alex, so I'm forgetting Alex's last name.
- 13:10[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a prof down at the University of Austin.
- 13:13[SPEAKER_01]: He's also a Greek fellow, myself, bunch of people.
- 13:18[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're taking over here.
- 13:19[SPEAKER_01]: But have you noticed in the evangelical world a kind of hesitancy to embrace the visual?
- 13:28[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that actually, at this moment, I think there's a hunger, yes, and I think that what you see is in some ways many of the evangelicals, the young people, they realize how dry, you know, and how kind of empty a lot of their practices are, the way that I kind of understand it is, seems like after World War II, a lot of the churches, what they started doing is saying, oh, if we do this, will you stay?
- 13:53[SPEAKER_00]: Like can we change if we make if we have pop music, will you not leave if we turn this into like a concert and a conference like when you start to get the aerobics class, right?
- 14:01[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
- 14:02[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 14:03[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 14:03[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 14:04[SPEAKER_00]: You just keep going until basically you have you have a concert and a TED talk.
- 14:08[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 14:08[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think that now the people, the young people that want to come back or that are looking towards Christ, they're saying, no, no.
- 14:15[SPEAKER_00]: Why would I have something that looks like the world?
- 14:17[SPEAKER_00]: I want the whole thing.
- 14:19[SPEAKER_00]: I want something that feels up my world that help in the understand, like you said, the visuals, the music, everything being connected.
- 14:27[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's that hunger for liturgy, liturgy in general, like a hunger for the sacramental, and that also reflects itself.
- 14:33[SPEAKER_00]: I think also in the desire for
- 14:39[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't agree more and I noticed that when my students and if they don't like it if they don't embrace it the problem is removing towards the visual culture Anyways, we already already have it, right?
- 14:48[SPEAKER_00]: So your students are on Instagram all day and then you tell them images are bad Yeah, it's like well, you know trouble because their world is made of your right Right exactly so rather than sanctify the image Yeah, yeah
- 15:00[SPEAKER_01]: conceding it to.
- 15:01[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 15:02[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 15:02[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 15:03[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 15:04[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 15:04[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think so in classical education, we focus so much on like the trivia and the quadrivial logic, language, and so forth.
- 15:13[SPEAKER_01]: Our fairy tales in particular, a way of kind of setting the narrative all context for that.
- 15:20[SPEAKER_01]: It almost seems like it's pretty, yeah, pre and intellectual.
- 15:23[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's it's pre cognitive,
- 15:26[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I think.
- 15:27[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, I mean, I have a beauty first approach to the fundamentals.
- 15:31[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's why I think that's why maybe some of the thing like HTCS at some point, they've been hungry for what it is we're bringing, you know, because you.
- 15:41[SPEAKER_00]: The obviously the processing world has been amazing at reason and you know, at logic and leads to science and apologetics and argument and all of that is very powerful.
- 15:51[SPEAKER_00]: But there is a lack in terms of how do we present the beautiful because we know it's part.
- 15:57[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the text and mental.
- 15:58[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 15:58[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that.
- 16:00[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the fairytales, the way that we try to talk about the narrative and understanding that you're in a story, right, that you're participating, seeing history not as something that you study just to learn facts, or things history as your story, this is your story that you were part of, right?
- 16:15[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that, to me, that's a way to anchor people into the, into the classical learning.
- 16:20[SPEAKER_00]: And it's he, I mean, you know, I don't want to diverge into the politics, all right, but it but it does seem to be the rise of nationalism, the rise of civilizationism, this kind of a recovering of story of a people that seems to me like, yeah, there's one of the thing that the modern world has done is that in some ways it wants to make you into an individual that is just completely disconnected completely moveable.
- 16:44[SPEAKER_00]: Right, you can just take an individual for somewhere, put them somewhere else, and it'll just fit into the economic machine, but that's just not what we are, right, where people, in families, in communities, in churches, in nations, and in college.
- 16:56[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
- 16:57[SPEAKER_00]: It was a natural ecology to our organizations.
- 17:00[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that when you see with kind of return of certain,
- 17:05[SPEAKER_00]: flavors like you said nationalism's and everything is the hunger to be integrated, you know, into into something that, you know, that has body into a story and into a people, you know, of course there are dangers to that, you know, and that's why that's why also we lead with
- 17:20[SPEAKER_00]: I love this idea that we always have to remember to be connected to the transcendentals.
- 17:24[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why also believe that Christianity is the only way to go, right?
- 17:28[SPEAKER_00]: Because nationalism without Christianity, it's war.
- 17:31[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's war against war.
- 17:32[SPEAKER_00]: It's horrible.
- 17:33[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
- 17:34[SPEAKER_00]: So if we can maintain our vision on Christ, then we can have this vision of the Heavenly Jerusalem.
- 17:40[SPEAKER_00]: All the kings of the nations bring their crowns to Christ and they have their own story.
- 17:44[SPEAKER_00]: They come from wherever they're coming, but they can still act together and bring their crown to Christ.
- 17:49[SPEAKER_01]: Are we saying, I mean, it's somewhat superficial, but are we seeing that a little bit with the world cup?
- 17:54[SPEAKER_01]: There is kind of the sense that the world is all coming, they're bringing the Norwegians are doing their row and everyone's got their own practice for their own story.
- 18:04[SPEAKER_01]: And yet they all blend together, it's beautiful, it's cooperative.
- 18:08[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what that is the image of what the world could be, right?
- 18:11[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the image of what the world could be is not the globalist.
- 18:15[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's your role and not a reduction of everyone to just like just a blob of individuals, but rather this this fractal part of the base, right, a subsidiary, you see that in in the Catholic social doctrine, sure, just a basic society, right, the local embedded into the higher forms, yeah, the shire, yeah, well, I was also thinking of just the way.
- 18:39[SPEAKER_01]: J.R.
- 18:40[SPEAKER_01]: Token put all this together, you know, just bringing all of the, the me thoughts of the world again, like in the similarly and retelling it in a thoroughly English way, for his English people, you know, but yet it's, it's, so they can participate in this, this grand glorious mythological world.
- 18:58[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 18:59[SPEAKER_01]: That ultimately ends up getting, uh, converging around Christ, the law gals.
- 19:03[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
- 19:04[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things we're doing that has been a big part of this
- 19:10[SPEAKER_00]: And but we're trying to remind people is that all of the people's of Europe, they all saw their origin in the Trojan War.
- 19:17[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone, right?
- 19:18[SPEAKER_00]: So the Britain's brutal.
- 19:19[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Scandinavians too, people forget that in the Etas, the supposedly gods of the Scandinavians are said to be people that flew that fled Troy.
- 19:29[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 19:30[SPEAKER_01]: I was just thinking Virgil's in the re-telling it and going to Rome.
- 19:33[SPEAKER_00]: But it's all it's in Etas.
- 19:35[SPEAKER_00]: single one of the European peoples, they do this thing where they try to connect to Troy.
- 19:39[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the desire to both have your own nation, but also understand that we participate in this greater story, right?
- 19:47[SPEAKER_00]: And so this is what we want, like to say, we have Troy, and we have Jerusalem that holds us.
- 19:53[SPEAKER_00]: The resurrection of Christ makes this into something that can be more than just the war against all.
- 19:58[SPEAKER_00]: It can actually be this beautiful,
- 20:04[SPEAKER_01]: I could talk to you forever, but I know you got to go somewhere.
- 20:08[SPEAKER_01]: We have actually a panel this evening that we're going to be talking about.
- 20:12[SPEAKER_01]: Where could people just kind of keep in touch with what you're doing?
- 20:16[SPEAKER_01]: You do have lots of wonderful resources as well that I think everybody should avail themselves up.
- 20:21[SPEAKER_00]: That's what, if you want to follow me, just go to the symbolicworld.com.
- 20:24[SPEAKER_00]: So, the symbolicworld.com, you'll find our press there, you'll find the YouTube, they also have a blog and also give online courses.
- 20:32[SPEAKER_00]: So, we try to offer as much as possible so people can recover this sense of wonder that we talk about.
- 20:37[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you're just, you're doing it, you're doing it beautifully.
- 20:41[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.
- 20:42[SPEAKER_01]: You're not just communicating beauty, you're communicating it beautifully.
- 20:46[SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan, Sonana.
- 20:47[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, it's great.
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