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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles Archive Replay 102826 -How the Administrative State Works—and How to Think Your Way Around It · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Unknown: We usually start off with Alvin Lee. They're not usually always.
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  Always start off with Alvin Lee, prophetic lyrics from decades
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  and decades ago. Roger Sales with you here for the next couple hours.
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  Hours.
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  And
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  gonna have a little general conversation. Radio Ranch is the name of the program,
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  and the people's
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  fledgling
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  patriot network is the name of our platform and you know,
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  one of the reasons that
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  the show is called Radio Ranch is because
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  I envision did this a few times when I was younger. Probably some of you have done it. Some of you a lot more often than others is sit out around a campfire out there. You're out in the country somewhere on a farm, on a ranch, or something and you just pop a a nice fire out and it's real warm, little cool on the outside. Fire warms everybody up, drinking coffee, talking, catching up, and stuff. And that's kind of what we do here. You know, it's not necessarily a show like this
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  week. Tomorrow, I've got this guy, and then we got this guy, and then we got another guy and all that stuff. And I'd like to think that we could stand on our own two feet here
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  in the standpoint of our knowledge and understanding and the things that we can
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  offer to other folks out there that
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  are of a
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  like mind.
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  Pied Piper of Freedom was something
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  that
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  came to me at some point back...
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  While back. That's a nice little little moniker, little catchphrase,
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  and...
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  Or your
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  modern day
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  abolitionist,
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  except that we
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  we abolition.
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  We try and free people of all races,
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  not just the black folks,
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  because lo and behold,
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  we've all ended up, for the most part, under the net
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  of the evil empire and all of their trickery and all of their treachery and all of their word bending and turning and and and all of the things that they do, and to
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  be able to
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  understand the severity of it and go to the absolute nexus root of it and to be able to unhook them
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  by means of exposing their fraud properly
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  is the key to freedom, and that's what we cover here. So it's a Thursday course. You know, one thing,
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  Thursdays are kind of a little bit of a catch your breath day, it seems like, in the way that our week is
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  formatted and
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  talk about just general things sometimes. If you're new to the program, I know we're getting some newer people that are getting turned on to this. The the elements of the program and the entire network actually is to concentrate on that one word, that word
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  that so very few people can define called freedom.
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  And if you do study it and do understand it a bit and you go back and really understand that it is
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  mandatory
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  that there's four
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  legs of that platform of freedom. If you're gonna stand on the platform of freedom,
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  three
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  would be alright. They make a plane, but four is what we need here because there's four important elements
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  to freedom, your spiritual side, and they're not necessarily in the order here is dictated by you, not me,
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  because it's a priority in different people's lives. For instance, if health is one of them,
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  and to the normal people out there that aren't experiencing any health difficulties,
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  that's not a real important one. You can stick it on the back burner. Maybe financial is more important to you, maybe spiritual, but possibly many of you, the political
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  leg of the stool is the most important. And it varies, but they're all they're all important.
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  And that's what we, you know, try our best to cover here.
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  If anybody wants to call in today, if you're some of those new listeners, I guess the ideal
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  candidate would be somebody that's kind of stumbled into this. It's still a bit hazy. You got some questions,
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  and you're scared to call because you're afraid they're tapping your phone and listening to you. Well, they're doing all that, so just get over it.
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  Kind of intimidated
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  position is not the framework
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  that's best for the incubation of liberty.
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  Unknown: I guess the best would be somebody that's
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  Unknown: born a black sheep and just real ornery like several of us. I know Daryl's that way, and so appears to be from what he's told us and how we know him, and I know I've always been that way. I just didn't like people telling me what to do.
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  And I did like we were talking yesterday. I always question why.
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  Why? Why? Why? And it's... I I don't know if it's a unique psychological makeup that we have here
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  or or least the
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  the real hardcore people. You know, some people, it's interesting when you present this, and I think a number of you out there,
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  as you're getting your feet wet, are telling people about it, and I encourage you to do that.
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  One reason is because you help spread word, and you'll find those people that are receptive, but
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  secondly is because that's the best way you learn it is by explaining it to other people. Then when you try and do that, you pretty quick in there find your deficiencies.
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  Then you go back, you brush up on the deficiencies,
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  understand how that works, and you try and tell somebody else. You find another weak spot, you go back and study it, you got a better handle on all of it, you bring it back and you just talk to somebody else. The
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  best way to learn something is to teach it, there's just no question about that.
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  And...
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  But ideally,
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  somebody would wanna call in and discuss some of this stuff. It's ultra important.
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  I mean, it's just ultra important.
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  It amazes me how how many people over the years
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  that I have put in front of that are just so
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  laissez faire about, oh, well, okay. Big deal. See you later.
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  You know, break a leg.
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  And they just don't. I don't know whether they don't stop to think they got other stuff on their minds. They can't focus in on something like this. I don't know what... You know, and it may be different, each one of those and different people.
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  But I do know this. I know there's a core people out there that are supposed to know the message
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  receptive to it and that are looking for these kind of attributes and handles and and and powers in their life and do wanna be free
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  and don't want anybody telling them what to do much less any, you know, administrative
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  jerk
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  executing some regulation that is fraudulently promulgated up there in one of the 323
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  or more by now, I'm sure, at least 323
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  federal agencies.
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  Yikes.
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  That's terrifying.
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  323
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  or more
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  federal
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  agencies.
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  Now if you're one of those people
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  that's having problems getting your arms around this,
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  a real good thing to concentrate on, and the key to all of it really,
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  like the fourteenth amendment, this is the key because this is a big key to the execution of it. The fourteenth amendment was key to the setup of it. This is the execution of it, that's the administrative state.
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  And I remember,
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  I was thinking about this the other day. I
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  hadn't probably told this in many years, early on when John and Glenn were very active,
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  one of their students, there comes, well, old Doc Gatton is gonna join us. Let me unmute you. Hey, Doc. How you doing?
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  Well, you're not... You're having some mic problems.
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  Again,
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  there's a switch somewhere. Doc seems to have problems with his mic.
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  Okay. Well, I'll just leave you right there and continue on my story and see if you... There you are. I'm sorry.
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  Oh, there you are. How are doing, man? What's going on? You always have mic problems.
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  This is nothing new. Yeah.
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  Unknown: Nothing nothing new. I I couldn't hear you on
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  tuning in or on the network, so
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  Unknown: I wanna get them called in and see if everything was alright. Well, it must be on your end because nobody else has contacted me, and I bet I'd hear from some people if we weren't going out. So that's my suspicion. It's on your end. And it may be like you're having problems with these microphone switches.
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  You may have problems with some other audio switch somewhere, doc. What else is going on? Hey.
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  Unknown: Oh, not much. I'm just checking
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  Unknown: in, keeping track of what's going on. And Okay. Appreciate being able to hear you. Alright. Well, I can't... I don't know why you're not getting me, but if it it wasn't going out, I'm sure Greg would have already yanked my chain. So I have to assume it's on your end. Okay?
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  Okay. Alright. No problem. Alright, buddy. I'm a go back to my story. Okay?
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  Unknown: Alright.
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  Unknown: Alright.
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  And
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  in the early days, when they were still teaching,
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  they had a little bulldog of a student. And I mean, I'm not exaggerating either. This guy was just like you'd imagine
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  a human bulldog.
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  Somewhat
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  of a diminutive guy, though, in his mid five feet,
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  but one of those little tough little guys. And he
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  was a professional
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  lightweight or middleweight
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  boxer
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  and had done real well in one
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  bunch of stuff. And I mean, he was just... When I use the term bulldog,
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  just talking to him. He's like one of those Marine
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  Corps
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  old drill sergeants or something, one of those kind of guys, tough guy. And... But a sweetheart, and he got into all of this legal stuff, and he was one of... I don't remember if he was one of their John and Glenn students or
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  or if he had done a lot of his own research, and they crossed paths with him along the way. But on one of our
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  I don't know, I think I went to Las Vegas twice to go through different seminars,
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  and this was one of them.
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  Leo Masters
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  had
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  really delved into and had a wonderful understanding
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  back then, and this was
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  early on,
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  almost thirty years ago,
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  on the impact and
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  the importance,
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  significance,
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  if you will,
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  of the administrative
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  state.
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  And I think one of the reasons that I didn't get
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  onto this much earlier is because I was still real green and didn't know a lot of stuff, so a lot of it didn't sink in and register with me when he talked.
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  But he did have a handout, a book he'd written on it,
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  and when he went to get it printed,
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  he had the font done in script
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  and some kind of a script that was just super difficult to read.
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  And so therefore,
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  not for lack of wanting the information, but the obstacle that was presented by this script to my reading tastes and abilities,
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  I never really delved into it or I would understand it... Understood it. Excuse me. Understood
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  it
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  many years earlier
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  and its importance. The reason I wanted to tell that story is because the new people out there that are trying to explain this to people or think it through yourselves
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  initially.
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  The
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  administrative state that we know as all the alphabet agencies,
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  many that we know and love,
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  they all came about after 1933
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  and the bankruptcy.
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  In the early days of it, as Roosevelt was
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  building the foundation of what they knew they were building,
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  and had so much problems from the
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  hangovers of the old way of thinking and the old
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  way of doing things
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  that he had to go back in and stack the Supreme Court to get a lot of these things through on the administrative state and these agencies.
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  Used to be just six. They added three. He stacked and diluted the court to his favor.
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  One of the guys he put on there was a grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan in Tennessee, I've read, named Justice Black,
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  and it was Justice Black in this... One of the stuffed justices
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  that
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  pulled
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  the phrase out of the Thomas Jefferson letter,
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  separation of church and state,
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  which was used in such a totally different context
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  in that original letter of Thomas Jefferson's to his friends and stuck it in a Supreme Court case, and now we get the separation of church and state.
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  Okay. He's one of the guys that he stuffed the court with and what he did subsequently.
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  Regardless,
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  the administrative
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  state, because it had never existed previously,
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  the administrative state didn't have any rules, and yet they had all this power power that that they now had because of the changes in the law and the changes in making us all pieces of property. I mean, the administrative state, just in the name, administrative.
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  What do they do? They administer.
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  What do they administer?
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  Man made laws.
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  On who?
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  The affected class.
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  The
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  administrative agencies can't go
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  all over the world and tap people and say, well, you gotta... Hey, man. Here's a big fine. You you violated this regulation.
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  They can only do it to a certain class.
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  First of all,
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  I mean, is it, is there something hard to understand about that?
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  Is that a difficult concept
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  to grasp?
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  They got this new bunch of agencies
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  and they do what? They administer
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  the regulations and the regurgitation
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  of the law that they do, and they administer it, but to who? Well, they can't just go do it to anybody. They can only do it to a certain class.
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  Okay? So that administrative state in their rule book
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  on how these regulations
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  are,
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  the bureaucratic
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  word is promulgated,
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  and how they're promulgated in the exactness
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  and the
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  specificness
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  and the attention to detail
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  that these guys have to do to get one of those regulations passed that they can now go out and administer
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  to this affected
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  class
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  or classes.
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  And and to understand that...
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  And actually, it's it's too bad Chris in here. He's pretty much an expert at this. He studied it a lot.
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  What was finally passed in 1946
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  after World War II, this process started on March the ninth of 'thirty three,
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  and it wasn't until 'forty six,
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  thirteen years later that they had the rule book hammered out, and it's called the Administrative
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  Procedures
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  Act, APA.
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  And the APA is in The United States code.
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  It starts at section five fifty two,
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  ETSeq, E T S E Q, that means
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  ETSeq or whatever,
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  ETSeq something,
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  and following.
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  So the whole thing, all the rules, all the guides,
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  all the little things, all the Is they got a dot, and the Ts they got a cross are right there five five two at seg. Okay? And it's very specific, all the things they have to do.
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  If they they just can't make some dictum
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  like
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  a regulation and just get up on the front of the capital steps and yell it out like they used to do in Rome, they got a very formal process of promulgating these things, and there are different processes
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  for different types of regulations
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  because they're not all the same.
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  And to understand that that whole apparatus
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  couldn't be there
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  if they didn't have an affected class that they regulate.
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  So if you're... They... Maybe that's a thing for you to understand. Maybe that's something you can use in explaining it to others to help you and them out.
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  But that's a real good, interesting way to approach this if you're trying to understand it, is talking about the administrative state and learning about it, learning how those regulations
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  are, what they are, and how different they are in this.
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  Ralph Wineroot's the only other guy I know that's gotten into this in great depth that's out there talking and teaching and stuff, and there's three types of regulations.
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  One is called... The bottom one is called a statement of policy,
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  and it is exactly what it says it is. It's a statement of policy of the agency.
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  Number two,
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  the second one up the tier is called an interpretive
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  or interpretative
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  regulation.
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  Those are generally written for people within the agency
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  that work for the agency to alert them of some change or some this or some that.
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  And the third one that's got, it's the big daddy. It's different from the other two in numerous
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  ways,
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  and it's called a substantive
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  regulation.
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  Like we talked on here and mentioned substantive law, that r plus d equals r stuff.
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  What's a person entity that receives rights and duties, that kind of stuff?
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  Well, this is substantive regulations.
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  And one of the base substantive aspects of it is, is it's got general applicability
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  to the whole affected class.
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  Everybody's
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  affected by those regulations,
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  substantive
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  regulations.
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  They're also called
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  notice
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  and comment.
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  Notice
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  and comment.
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  Doesn't that sound something
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  very vaguely familiar to the term and the concept
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  due process?
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  Notice and comment,
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  due process,
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  notice,
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  and the right to be heard.
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  So it's due process
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  from the other that are
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  required in every body of law,
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  and it's the due process there that's put into
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  the regulation
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  promulgation
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  process
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  by people that understand that they gotta do it this way.
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  They
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  gotta give you notice, and this is due process,
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  at least some semblance of it, on the affected class. Now, I'm sure Doc, and many of our other listeners,
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  that the very first thing you do in the morning over your first cup of coffee when you crank up the computer there and try and find out if the world's still happening
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  or what's happening in it,
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  I'm sure one of the first sites you go to is the Federal Register.
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  I mean, I'd just bet that that's one of your early stops so you can read those easy to read and delightful regulations
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  that are posted in there every single day.
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  Now people
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  that have been around for a while have heard me use the term, or you may have seen the term in your studies,
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  legal organ.
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  Legal organ.
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  That has nothing to do with anything sexual.
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  The legal organ,
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  every city and every town has a legal organ.
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  In some small towns and cities, it may be the local newspaper.
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  In larger, medium, or bigger cities, they may have a whole specific publication
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  that's for nothing but the legal community, and it's got some title, and it's the official legal organ of that area and what that means. Is anything that is legal to fit again into due process,
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  anything that is... Has to do with things that are legal,
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  and dare I say lawful,
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  can be published in the local legal organ, and because that
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  satisfies
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  the front end of notice.
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  There's
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  a lot of intricacies here, but the reason they do all that, and especially with these
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  notice and comment regulations,
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  is because they have general applicability.
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  Guess Well, what I found when I was doing all the research on this so many years ago?
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  Let me clear my throat here.
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  So many years ago, going back down to the Georgia State Library, there was two,
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  they're called federal depositories,
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  not federal suppositories,
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  but federal depositories,
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  and there are certain law schools
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  that are designated
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  as federal
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  depositories, and what that means is they've got access to all the old back laws there for you,
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  and you can go back and trace stuff, and some of them they've got private
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  areas mainly for lawyers and stuff like that of of whatever. Mean, you can go back and trace all kinds of things if you're one of those.
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  Probably do it on the net now. In the old days, we had to drive across town and go do it, okay? But anyway, I was at the Georgia State Library, which was downtown Atlanta,
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  and they didn't have the books, but they had all this regulatory stuff on micro fish,
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  and you could go check it.
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  Well, very interesting. If you go looking at these regulations to start learning this stuff a bit, hopefully, you won't have to and maybe just listen to me talk about it and
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  have a vicarious experience because I'm not sure it's a whole bunch of fun, and I'm not sure quite that it's where you'd rather be putting your precious time. But should you wanna do that?
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  I had to do it. Maybe you'd... You know, anyway, you go in there and you look at the regulations,
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  and down at the bottom,
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  in brackets
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  of the regulation,
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  they refer... If there's been a change or an update in the regulation,
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  they refer you to the previous one.
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  You can take and trace those regulations back, and I'm thinking specifically
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  IRS here,
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  everybody's favorite agency,
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  which isn't really an agency.
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  But you can trace back
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  the regulations
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  to what date.
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  Income tax codes have been around a long time.
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  It was back in the 30s, were changes of it in the 20s, and I've seen some of those old copies and how they changed different sections as we went forward.
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  But when I was tracing these regulations by using that little bracketed information at the bottom, and I was specifically looking in one type of regulation,
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  and that was this summons for books and records.
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  You
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  could trace it back and go to the micro fish and find... Dig up something, and it's... You gotta go dig up another microfish and find it and go find it, but you can only trace it back to 1954.
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  Once again,
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  two months after Brown versus Board of Education,
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  they just couldn't wait. They were beside themselves.
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  Two months went past, and they slapped that 1954
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  internal revenue code. And if you're looking at regulations,
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  that's as far back as they will be effectively able to be searched. And if you go back and chase
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  any... And this is what Ralph Wineroot found.
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  Because I heard Chris Chris or somebody called in, heard him talking about it.
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  You
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  can go back and trace
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  every one,
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  every
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  single
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  one of any
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  IRS regulation,
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  and they're all interpretive
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  or interpretative
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  regulations,
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  the middle type,
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  that don't require notice and comment,
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  because you'll never see an IRS regulation
• 27:54
  that's been through notice and comment, the substantive kind that really have applicability
• 27:59
  to the whole class.
• 28:01
  Why? Because the income tax is 100% voluntary.
• 28:06
  It truly is. K?
• 28:08
  But this understanding
• 28:10
  of the administrative state, learning about it yourself,
• 28:14
  hopefully, if you wanna go ahead and follow-up and file paperwork and get your affidavit in, you won't have to deal with the damn administrative state because it don't have any effect on you anymore.
• 28:26
  With two exceptions,
• 28:30
  and to the best that I can find, only two.
• 28:35
  And those two exceptions
• 28:38
  would be
• 28:39
  sections eight seventy seven and eight seventy one of
• 28:44
  the Internal Revenue Code.
• 28:47
  Those are the only two sections in that whole body of 50 books
• 28:52
  that apply to you anymore. Is that incentive enough
• 28:56
  to think about seriously filing this paperwork for you?
• 29:02
  Now if any of you are out there talking to people, that may be a real good closing line right there.
• 29:09
  Of that whole 50 books of the Code of Federal Regulation,
• 29:12
  piles
• 29:14
  and tens of thousands of pages of absolute
• 29:17
  total
• 29:18
  100%
• 29:20
  bullshit high end transit.
• 29:28
  That's what it all is.
• 29:31
  If you file this paperwork and make this change and it's your decision not mine,
• 29:38
  you'll shed all but two of those and both two of those are constitutional.
• 29:46
  You know, maybe that's incentive for people right there. I know one thing. When you tell people this stuff, they generally
• 29:51
  do not believe it.
• 29:55
  It's hard to believe that for them, and that's because the effectiveness
• 30:01
  of the intimidation
• 30:03
  through this bureaucratic agency and the weaponization
• 30:06
  and militarization
• 30:07
  of them
• 30:09
  has been so overwhelmingly
• 30:11
  successful
• 30:12
  for these people.
• 30:18
  And it's hard to believe that it is exactly
• 30:21
  what happened in the Wizard of Oz
• 30:23
  with the all powerful Oz, and you saw everybody in the whole kingdom just bow down, And he'd pull some hologram deal and make some thunder come out and some smoke come out of his mouth, and they all just cowered in the corner, the great,
• 30:38
  powerful
• 30:39
  Oz
• 30:44
  who was exposed by a Karn Terrier.
• 30:47
  That's how powerful he was.
• 30:50
  He's exposed by a Karn Terrier.
• 30:56
  So let's see. I had something here I've been wanting to read for a couple days. Nobody seems to wanna be calling in.
• 31:03
  I guess I I guess, doc, we're on the air. I can't imagine you being the only one to contact saying, you're not on? You're not on? Are you alright? Well, you're not on.
• 31:12
  So, hopefully, we're out there. Anyway,
• 31:14
  I... It's hard on me these days when I gotta do two hours by myself. I like this conversational radio stuff.
• 31:22
  Hell, maybe I'll maybe I'll just call one of you.
• 31:26
  Maybe I'll initiate the call. Just, hey, Chris. What you doing?
• 31:31
  I had this article open. I stumbled on it. Somebody sent it to me a couple of days ago. Read it, and I was fascinated by it in a sense.
• 31:40
  And so now is as good a time, Danny, read this.
• 31:45
  This goes way back pretty good now.
• 31:50
  The Peasants
• 31:51
  Revolt
• 31:52
  of thirteen
• 31:54
  eighty one.
• 31:56
  That's pretty good pretty good piece back there, about a thousand years almost.
• 32:01
  The Peasants'
• 32:02
  Revolt of thirteen
• 32:04
  eighty one.
• 32:06
  A rip snorter,
• 32:08
  it says, a rip snorter of a tax revolt.
• 32:11
  Well, everybody likes a good tax revolt. Hell,
• 32:15
  this is kind of a meteorical for us or right up our alley.
• 32:19
  Principal leader... Now this is somebody that I guarantee you, I'd be shocked if any of you ever heard of this guy.
• 32:25
  The political...
• 32:26
  The principal leader of the revolt
• 32:28
  that started
• 32:30
  on 05/30/1381
• 32:35
  was a man named
• 32:36
  Watt,
• 32:37
  w a t, Watt Tyler,
• 32:42
  regarded by many historians
• 32:44
  as England's
• 32:46
  first revolutionary.
• 32:48
  Now that's a pretty interesting title for old
• 32:52
  Watt?
• 32:54
  Watt Tyler.
• 32:56
  Okay. So
• 32:58
  interesting little article. There's a nice little
• 33:01
  picture there. I am some people on horses with swords and all kinds of stuff there.
• 33:07
  So it goes on at least as far back as ancient Egypt
• 33:11
  when meddlesome
• 33:13
  scribes
• 33:16
  inspected home kitchens
• 33:20
  to make sure that people were paying the tax on cooking
• 33:25
  oil.
• 33:28
  You
• 33:29
  want me to open that up again?
• 33:34
  Might have caught some of you by surprise out of left field. At least as far back as ancient Egypt,
• 33:41
  when meddlesome
• 33:42
  scribes
• 33:44
  inspected home kitchens
• 33:46
  to make sure that people were paying their tax on cooking oil,
• 33:52
  both taxes and the citizenry
• 33:55
  have been revolting.
• 33:58
  One particular occasion
• 34:01
  deserves a mention today
• 34:04
  because May 30 is the anniversary of a real
• 34:08
  rip snorting
• 34:09
  rebellion
• 34:10
  over there in jolly old England known as the Peasants
• 34:15
  Revolt
• 34:16
  of thirteen eighty one.
• 34:20
  Taxpayers
• 34:21
  revolt.
• 34:24
  Need to do that more.
• 34:27
  More than a century and a half after war and the taxes to pay for it led to the Magna Carta in 12/15,
• 34:35
  history repeated itself.
• 34:39
  This time,
• 34:40
  the proximate culprits
• 34:43
  were the French and the English mercenaries
• 34:46
  that waged the fruitless
• 34:48
  hundred years war.
• 34:53
  I feel like that's what our country's been in, but just about a hundred year war. We can only imagine the tax bill if your war is still raging
• 35:01
  more than a century after it started.
• 35:05
  Yeah. Just ponder that and noodle on it there for a second.
• 35:08
  The severity of the people's reaction
• 35:12
  bears
• 35:12
  striking testimony
• 35:14
  to their disdain
• 35:17
  for high taxes and arrogant,
• 35:20
  brutal
• 35:21
  tax collectors.
• 35:24
  In the intense but short lived
• 35:27
  Peasants'
• 35:28
  Revolt,
• 35:31
  Raging mobs seized
• 35:34
  tax enforcing judges and clerks
• 35:37
  and paraded their heads,
• 35:40
  minus the rest of them,
• 35:42
  on pikes through the streets of English towns,
• 35:46
  so they beheaded,
• 35:49
  says the judges.
• 35:51
  Yeah. Tax enforcing judges and clerks.
• 35:55
  Got the clerks too.
• 35:58
  Took them there, separated them from their bodies in their heads, stuck their heads on stakes, and
• 36:05
  paraded them through the town
• 36:07
  side.
• 36:10
  Pretty dramatic I would imagine on the other folks.
• 36:14
  Jails and buildings where tax records were stored were assaulted
• 36:19
  and often destroyed,
• 36:22
  tax records and all.
• 36:26
  Large numbers of tax bureaucrats
• 36:29
  were killed
• 36:30
  in often creative ways.
• 36:35
  Because the arch
• 36:37
  bishop of Canterbury...
• 36:38
  Now that's a pretty
• 36:40
  pretty big position over there.
• 36:43
  Because the archbishop
• 36:45
  of Canterbury
• 36:47
  was sympathetic
• 36:48
  to the tax collectors,
• 36:51
  he too
• 36:53
  was dispatched
• 36:54
  to the reward much earlier,
• 36:57
  to his reward,
• 36:58
  much earlier than he
• 37:00
  ever expected.
• 37:02
  So, they even got the archbishop
• 37:04
  of Canterbury
• 37:06
  and
• 37:07
  separated him from his body. That's pretty serious. We're talking about some serious revolt in here.
• 37:15
  Even King Richard the second, a mere 14
• 37:18
  year old boy,
• 37:21
  king Richard the second was 14 at this time,
• 37:24
  he so feared for his life
• 37:27
  that he briefly granted huge
• 37:29
  concessions
• 37:31
  to the protesters.
• 37:34
  The rebels
• 37:35
  even amassed an army
• 37:38
  which assaulted
• 37:39
  the capital,
• 37:40
  seized the Tower Of London,
• 37:42
  and killed the king's two highest
• 37:46
  financial
• 37:47
  officials,
• 37:49
  the lord chancellor
• 37:52
  and
• 37:53
  the lord high
• 37:55
  treasurer.
• 37:57
  Kill them.
• 37:58
  Before it was over, the death toll on both sides numbered
• 38:02
  into the thousands.
• 38:09
  Now let's see. He's got a little clip in here of Monty Python, but it it it... The the the label of the next section is Monty Python
• 38:17
  and life in the fifteenth century.
• 38:19
  Boy, fifteenth century couldn't have been too much fun to live in. This was the fourteenth century, a dreadful time to be alive.
• 38:27
  If you were 40 years of age,
• 38:31
  if you were 40 in 1381,
• 38:34
  you
• 38:35
  were an old timer.
• 38:38
  You never knew a day when England wasn't at war. You remembered growing up in the aftermath of the Black Death,
• 38:45
  the unspeakable
• 38:46
  plague that killed off half of the country's
• 38:49
  beginning in the late 1340s.
• 38:52
  You were most likely a serf.
• 38:55
  Guess what?
• 38:58
  You're still a serf today.
• 39:03
  Of course, the writer of this article doesn't know that.
• 39:08
  Back in 12/15,
• 39:10
  Magna Carta
• 39:11
  may have liberated
• 39:13
  the nobility a bit,
• 39:17
  but more broadly based
• 39:20
  English liberties,
• 39:21
  quote unquote,
• 39:23
  were still unrealized
• 39:26
  for the so called
• 39:28
  masses.
• 39:32
  An unpopular
• 39:35
  poll tax
• 39:37
  proved to be the spark
• 39:41
  of the violent
• 39:42
  outbreak of thirteen
• 39:44
  eighty one,
• 39:46
  its first version introduced in 1379
• 39:51
  and
• 39:52
  slightly revised
• 39:54
  later,
• 39:56
  imposed a universal
• 39:58
  fee
• 39:59
  of 4p
• 40:01
  per person
• 40:03
  over the age of 14.
• 40:05
  I always kind of thought a poll tax was something that was done at the voting... At the polls,
• 40:10
  something to do with the vote.
• 40:13
  But it's saying here that the
• 40:15
  early edition of this very unpopular
• 40:18
  tax thing was introduced a couple years before and revised a little bit later and imposed a universal fee
• 40:25
  tax of 4p
• 40:27
  per person
• 40:28
  over the age of 14.
• 40:35
  Unknown: Of its collection
• 40:39
  Unknown: to private... Oh,
• 40:41
  parliament contracted contracted out its collection, the taxes collection,
• 40:45
  to private parties
• 40:47
  to whom it paid a
• 40:49
  commission.
• 40:51
  As I've often said
• 40:53
  with IRS,
• 40:56
  the guy at the top, they don't call him the commissioner for nothing.
• 41:02
  So parliament contracted out
• 41:04
  its collection to private parties to whom it paid a commission, and it didn't care
• 41:10
  what tactics
• 41:13
  were used by those collectors in those
• 41:17
  employed so long as they got
• 41:20
  the gelt. We gotta get the shekels, baby.
• 41:23
  We're gonna have... We're gonna, and we might have to
• 41:29
  tie you up by your heels and shake it out of those tight pockets of yours, but we're gonna get it.
• 41:40
  It was a devious scheme to maximize revenue by combining the
• 41:46
  rapacious ness of government
• 41:49
  nice word, rapaciousness
• 41:52
  of government
• 41:54
  with the efficiency
• 41:55
  of the private sector.
• 41:59
  As bad as the IRS is today, just imagine
• 42:03
  what things would be like if you hired MS-thirteen
• 42:08
  to be your auditor and collector.
• 42:14
  Interesting thought, isn't it?
• 42:16
  Some people would say some of those agents already border on MS thirteen mentality.
• 42:25
  Watt Tyler Watt Tyler, rebel leader.
• 42:29
  Remember, Watt was the guy English... England's first revolutionary.
• 42:34
  Some people considering.
• 42:35
  The principal leader of the revolt that started
• 42:39
  on 05/30/1381
• 42:43
  was a man named Watt
• 42:46
  Tyler,
• 42:49
  regarded by many historians as England's very first revolutionary.
• 42:53
  In his book,
• 42:56
  the life and legend of a rebel leader, Watt Tyler.
• 43:01
  Even had books written about him.
• 43:03
  Author,
• 43:04
  Stefan
• 43:06
  bas... Bastello,
• 43:09
  B A S D E O, notes
• 43:14
  that four centuries after the revolt
• 43:18
  none other than America's
• 43:20
  Thomas Paine
• 43:22
  paid tribute to Tyler as a hero and a freedom fighter
• 43:27
  deserving
• 43:28
  of the monument in his honor for his contribution
• 43:32
  to the advancement
• 43:34
  of liberty.
• 43:35
  It's coming from Thomas Paine.
• 43:38
  Let me read Paine's quote again to you.
• 43:41
  A hero and a freedom fighter
• 43:44
  deserving of a monument in honor, in his honor, for his contribution
• 43:49
  to the advancement of that little word liberty.
• 43:56
  Not much is known of Tyler's early life,
• 44:01
  but what we know of his eventful last year
• 44:06
  makes me think of him as a combination of the redneck banjo player on the porch in the movie Deliverance.
• 44:14
  I just watched that scene the other day again.
• 44:18
  The
• 44:19
  Jell O sucking
• 44:21
  John Belucci in Animal House
• 44:24
  and a fire breathing patriot,
• 44:27
  Patrick Henry.
• 44:30
  Quite a combination. The banjo player,
• 44:34
  John Belucci in Animal House, and and Patrick Henry.
• 44:38
  That sounds like a pretty rare combination to me.
• 44:42
  To his credit, he had an agenda by the time he forced Young. Remember, was 14.
• 44:49
  Young
• 44:50
  King Richard
• 44:51
  the second to the negotiating table,
• 44:53
  Watt Tyler here had an agenda.
• 44:57
  Tyler
• 44:59
  demanded not only a dramatic reduction in taxes,
• 45:03
  but also a secession
• 45:05
  of England's costly foreign adventurism.
• 45:10
  Abolition of wage controls imposed on the peasantry,
• 45:14
  the elimination of many special privileges to the nobility,
• 45:19
  and an end to serfdom itself.
• 45:23
  Wow.
• 45:26
  I mean, you always say you go in and set your price high, but lord have mercy.
• 45:30
  That's a bunch of
• 45:32
  requirements there that were pretty dramatic changes
• 45:35
  in the way they did thing over there, the things, the... I think you'd call it
• 45:42
  the status quo.
• 45:48
  It may have been
• 45:50
  the deliverance
• 45:52
  animal house side of Tyler
• 45:55
  that
• 45:56
  doomed
• 45:57
  his cause.
• 46:01
  Now for all the buildup here, I gotta tell you, I'm not sure this has what we'd consider to be a happy ending,
• 46:07
  but it's a very interesting story
• 46:09
  and one I'd never heard before. Certainly gives us some insight into the
• 46:14
  early days of the taxation stuff. Maybe we'll talk about that when I get through it here. Hey. Looky here.
• 46:21
  Looky here. Our buddy Ike's gonna join us.
• 46:24
  Ike, you there, buddy?
• 46:27
  Yes. This is me. This is your boy, Pepper. Hey, man. I'm glad to hear from you. Let me finish this little article out right here, and we'll get to whatever you got on your plate. Okay?
• 46:38
  I'm reading this article about the the very first tax revolt.
• 46:42
  Okay?
• 46:43
  Unknown: Okay.
• 46:44
  Unknown: And and and I'll pick it up at the top of this paragraph. It may have been the deliverance on the animal house side of this guy, Watt Tyler. He's considered to be England's first revolutionary
• 46:54
  Ike. This guy, Watt Tyler is his name.
• 46:57
  And it may have been that side of him, the deliverance and animal house characteristics
• 47:02
  that doomed his cause.
• 47:05
  The meeting with King Richard the second
• 47:07
  didn't go so well.
• 47:10
  At first, the king conceded
• 47:12
  to most of Tyler's demands,
• 47:16
  but then the uncouth
• 47:17
  backwoodsman
• 47:19
  let his hair
• 47:20
  down.
• 47:22
  Eyewitnesses
• 47:23
  say
• 47:24
  that he asked for a drink of water,
• 47:27
  and then he rudely rinsed his mouth out within inches of the king's face.
• 47:34
  One of the king's servants objected and insulted Tyler,
• 47:38
  who then attacked the servant.
• 47:40
  When the lord mayor of London intervened and attempted to arrest Tyler,
• 47:45
  Tyler drew his sword, and he attacked the mayor.
• 47:49
  It was all downhill from there,
• 47:51
  ending rather quickly in Tyler's public decapitation
• 47:56
  in the absence of its leader,
• 47:59
  the tax revolt dissipated.
• 48:02
  Immediately,
• 48:03
  King Richard demonstrated
• 48:05
  just how irresponsible
• 48:06
  a 14 year old can be
• 48:09
  when he has the keys to the car, or in this case, the kingdom.
• 48:14
  He revoked all of the concessions he'd made to Tyler, and he issued orders for the arrest and the slaughter of those involved in the revolt.
• 48:24
  For the tax protesters,
• 48:26
  it was a back to the status quo
• 48:29
  antebellum
• 48:30
  freedom would have to wait for another day.
• 48:35
  Every significant
• 48:36
  historical
• 48:37
  event offers lessons to be learned.
• 48:41
  Surely,
• 48:42
  one of those of the peasant revolt of thirteen eighty one is this,
• 48:48
  when you're about to win,
• 48:51
  clean up your act.
• 48:53
  So I guess we gotta clean up around here, Ike.
• 48:57
  Unknown: Yeah. I guess so.
• 48:59
  Oh,
• 49:00
  yeah. If you're about to win, absolutely.
• 49:03
  Unknown: So have your house in order. Well, you know, I've been thinking about you a bit lately because I know that Patrick said he delivered a copy of my book to you. Have you had a chance to get through that rascal?
• 49:14
  Unknown: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
• 49:17
  Love this book. I love this book. And then... And incidentally,
• 49:21
  as I was reading this book, I also had on my work table a
• 49:29
  application. So I'm like, what is this?
• 49:32
  So I was able to take a test just right off. I actually had that. I love this book from sovereign research. I love this. This is excellent reading. This is very educational.
• 49:44
  Here I am thinking I knew a lot about different things, but, oh, wow.
• 49:50
  Things that you were sharing in this book is is just completely
• 49:55
  outrageously
• 49:56
  Unknown: under... Just outrageously joyous. Let me put it like that. Well, I I I am... Have enjoyed it. Well, I I appreciate it, and thank you for the compliment. It's a very powerful book. I know it is, and I know it changes people's lives, the right people, when they read it. Yeah. And I always
• 50:12
  always, listen,
• 50:13
  I never could have added the part I've added if it wouldn't have been for the base that was laid by my teachers, John and Glenn.
• 50:21
  And so
• 50:22
  that book is a result of more than 100 of three men's lives.
• 50:28
  So it didn't come lightly, and it's real important. And I know it touches people deeply and changes their lives, and it makes me very proud to have my name on it.
• 50:38
  Unknown: Yeah. It's excellent. It is excellent reading. And here's the thing for me, Roger. I hate to read.
• 50:44
  I hate to read.
• 50:46
  I I hate to read. I read
• 50:49
  primarily...
• 50:50
  When I do read, I read because I'm searching. I'm looking for something.
• 50:56
  I am I am what they call a... I'm a very critical reader
• 51:00
  because I don't just read
• 51:03
  just for entertainment
• 51:04
  or
• 51:05
  or what... Whenever I read anything,
• 51:08
  I'm reading with a purpose
• 51:10
  because I don't like reading. So whenever I read anything, I'm reading with a purpose. And I may read something...
• 51:17
  I I may type up a document, and I may read that document
• 51:21
  four or five times.
• 51:22
  And I may make changes on it each time because
• 51:26
  of that one
• 51:28
  that one axiom that you all have that I like very much is about words.
• 51:33
  Words.
• 51:34
  Words are very powerful.
• 51:37
  And my experiences have been with even in the courts. My experiences have been that
• 51:42
  you have to use
• 51:45
  the... You have to express yourself with the word
• 51:49
  as that
• 51:51
  that that natural position. Because if you put one word in there, someone is going to read that word,
• 51:57
  and that one word out of everything in there, one word may stick out to them and change their whole perspective about what you're writing about.
• 52:05
  You know? And I found that the courts in the state of Tennessee, they have that.
• 52:10
  They have this
• 52:11
  uncanny ability to... Whenever you file something with them,
• 52:16
  no matter what your
• 52:18
  your argument is or how you
• 52:21
  your argument to be, they will pick up on one or two words, and they would change that whole argument to say, well, we perceive that this is what
• 52:31
  this person is talking about when it's not.
• 52:35
  Unknown: It's not. They've taken a word too. Well, that's why I call it the science of law.
• 52:41
  K? And I've I've had discussions about this with people. They go, that's not a... It's a bunch of gobbledygook
• 52:47
  crap. And in in some instances, it can be. But the reason
• 52:51
  is that it's a science is because it has to be exact,
• 52:55
  just exactly like you were saying, even the addition or the subtraction of one word. We
• 53:01
  were talking about it the other day, there's
• 53:03
  a financial crime that happened back in 1873
• 53:07
  that's called the Crime of seventy three,
• 53:10
  and what they did was they demonetized
• 53:13
  silver.
• 53:13
  Now you gotta understand at that time, the Comstock load, the greatest load of silver
• 53:19
  on the surface that's ever been discovered out in Nevada, was in high... Early and high swing. It was getting... Producing a lot of silver, and it was giving the poor man a way to have a medium
• 53:31
  of exchange. He didn't have worry about gold,
• 53:34
  and they wanted to take silver out of the equation. Okay? And so they passed a law through congress,
• 53:41
  and between the time it was passed at congress and when it got put in the statute book,
• 53:46
  they changed a word or two.
• 53:49
  The original intent of the act was not to demonetize silver,
• 53:54
  but they changed a word or two in the damn statute and then applied the changes
• 53:58
  and it demonetized
• 53:59
  silver in the whole country. It's called the crime of '73. You can go look it up. Probably learn more about it than I just gave you. But I'm particularly interested. I'm real glad you called in today. First of all, let me thank you for doing that because you've been on my mind,
• 54:13
  and because I'm I'm particularly
• 54:16
  excited when we have new black guys or black gals, okay, to get turned on to this.
• 54:22
  And then on top of that, with your extensive legal background,
• 54:27
  Okay? That just is the cream of the cake to me. Alright? And the people that are listening to this, have never heard you, don't know who you are, should know that Ike has an extremely
• 54:38
  extensive legal background
• 54:41
  and has helped a lot of people in a lot of real touchy situations and been successful, and he's Patrick's right right hand go to man in the legal side.
• 54:51
  So I was particularly interested on all of those things. Now
• 54:56
  I'd like to get your comment,
• 54:58
  and you're just getting your arms around this, think, good,
• 55:03
  but I wanted to tell you first of all, what was left out of the book
• 55:07
  was the real important substantive
• 55:09
  law stuff,
• 55:11
  and we just didn't know to include it and highlight its importance. K? So Mhmm. If you... And this is the piece you really need to have if you don't have it already. It'll clear up any ambiguous
• 55:23
  thoughts that you might have, Ike. Go to YouTube
• 55:26
  and just type in there the search, the science of law.
• 55:30
  Okay?
• 55:31
  And it'll
• 55:32
  come up. I didn't even put it up there. Some listener put it up there years ago, and I've had... It's it's really touched a lot of people. And I think that it will give you a basis that'll make you
• 55:44
  invincible in this arena.
• 55:47
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 55:49
  I will certainly look that up. Okay. I'll I'll certainly look up and read it, and and then then I'll call you back and and discuss. No. It's not a read. It's
• 55:59
  Unknown: a listen. It's it's a it's a show I did on the subject years ago that a listener put up on YouTube.
• 56:04
  And I've even heard people comments back from Chris, our regular listener and friend here, who's very steeped in this stuff, and he was he was very complimentary of it. He he went and listened to it. So I'd suggest that you do that. I think it'll give you the other part of the picture. Let me just give you a taste in here because it wasn't really covered in the book. Have you heard me talk about the formula
• 56:28
  that that governs every body of law in the world?
• 56:33
  Can't say that I have. No. Okay. Go ahead. I'm listening. It's very simple. You can write it down in the in the forefront of your forehead.
• 56:41
  R plus d,
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  d as in dog,
• 56:44
  r plus d equals
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  r.
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  Now that formula controls every body of law in the world.
• 56:53
  Unknown: Okay.
• 56:54
  Unknown: Okay? That stands for
• 56:57
  rights
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  plus
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  duties, because they're correlative,
• 57:02
  equal remedies.
• 57:04
  So if your right is imposed upon or you don't perform a duty that you're obligated to perform, there's a remedy.
• 57:14
  Unknown: Of all the
• 57:16
  Unknown: Patriot
• 57:17
  researchers
• 57:18
  that I've come across and and known, listened to, followed, whatever,
• 57:23
  over all the years,
• 57:24
  I've never heard any of them talk about remedies.
• 57:30
  Hear a lot of them talking about rights. You don't hear them talking about duties too much, and you virtually never hear them talking about remedies.
• 57:36
  Those are all three important parts of formula.
• 57:40
  This is how that works.
• 57:42
  So
• 57:43
  a person, when you see the word person
• 57:46
  in any statutes and stuff you've ever read, and I know you've done a lot of that.
• 57:51
  Okay? So let me let me reverse it and ask you, Ike, I'm not... I'm gonna put you on the spot a little bit. What's the legal concept
• 58:00
  of the word person?
• 58:04
  Unknown: You know what? You really did put me because person is has... It has
• 58:09
  it has different meanings in in the legal context. Yes. It does. And it doesn't have to... You know, I mean I mean, it's
• 58:17
  defined by whatever statue.
• 58:20
  My experience has been that the word person has been defined by whatever statue
• 58:25
  or
• 58:27
  type of activity I'm working off. Else is a business.
• 58:31
  A business can be a person. Yes. The United States Supreme Court just recently laid out that these facts
• 58:38
  are considered persons. So
• 58:41
  Unknown: Well, let me give you the on the topic. Go ahead. I was gonna say I'm proud of you because virtually everybody I've ever asked in The US says it's a corporate fiction.
• 58:51
  And that's just absolutely,
• 58:53
  totally... It's not wrong. It's just incomplete.
• 58:56
  Okay? It's incomplete, absolutely. So here's how you use that formula in these basic substantive
• 59:02
  principles,
• 59:04
  okay?
• 59:05
  This comes from Gaius. Have you ever heard of a guy named Gaius Ike?
• 59:10
  Unknown: Gaius.
• 59:10
  Unknown: G I A I U S. He's credited
• 59:14
  with founding law in Rome, okay?
• 59:18
  And he wrote a
• 59:20
  group of books
• 59:21
  called Gaius'
• 59:22
  Institutes,
• 59:24
  and the first book, almost the entire first book in Gaius' Institutes deals with the word person.
• 59:31
  All right? Okay. And this is how you work it in that formula.
• 59:35
  A person,
• 59:36
  a legal person, is an entity
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  to whom the law ascribes
• 59:42
  rights and duties.
• 59:45
  A person is a legal entity or an entity
• 59:49
  to whom the law ascribes
• 59:51
  rights and duties.
• 59:53
  If
• 59:54
  you apply that to that formula, R plus D equals R,
• 59:58
  if you receive
• 1:00:00
  your rights, then you owe the correlative duty.
• 1:00:04
  Duty. Okay.
• 1:00:06
  So let me ask you now that you've read the book and you've gotten your arms around this as we plug that
• 1:00:12
  conceptual
• 1:00:13
  definition of the word person in there, if if I receive no fourteenth... Rights under the fourteenth amendment called civil rights, then I don't owe any correlative duties, do I? Duties. Absolutely.
• 1:00:27
  Unknown: You wouldn't. No. Okay.
• 1:00:29
  Unknown: And so it's not, am I a person? Which is what you hear a lot of people in our patriot community ask, or they say, I'm not a person. I'm not a person. I've had some arguments with people over that. Okay? The response is,
• 1:00:44
  I'm not that
• 1:00:46
  person.
• 1:00:46
  I receive no rights from the fourteenth amendment,
• 1:00:50
  and therefore I owe no correlative duties.
• 1:00:53
  Now you can take that,
• 1:00:55
  entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties and that formula
• 1:00:59
  and plug it in and go through any of their crap like hot knife through butter.
• 1:01:07
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:01:08
  Yes.
• 1:01:09
  I'm not that person.
• 1:01:11
  Unknown: K. So I I urge you. That's just part of it. And I think in that talk, what I did was take a number of those words, and then we go back and apply them because they're all in the fourteenth amendment. Alright? So go listen to that when you get time. I think you'll really
• 1:01:27
  be benefited by it and a a big additional chunk of understanding
• 1:01:33
  to go to your new empowerment.
• 1:01:36
  Unknown: Yeah. Patrick... I think Patrick...
• 1:01:39
  You know, I do so much reading and and writing and drafting and...
• 1:01:44
  But Patrick did mention that to me, and I'm glad that you brought it back,
• 1:01:49
  up because I really do need to look at that video.
• 1:01:52
  I really need to look at it and and try to conceptualize
• 1:01:57
  that what's what's being elaborated.
• 1:01:59
  Unknown: And and I... And after doing so, I really... I'm I'm I'm anticipating on calling you back and discussing. Okay. One of these days when I write the second book, because I've got... We've learned so much since the book you've just finished was written.
• 1:02:13
  But in the next book, it was after that book was finished and I started doing these broadcasts that I realized the importance
• 1:02:20
  of that understanding of how those tools work and that substantive basic law,
• 1:02:25
  and it wasn't in the book. If we... If I could go back and do it, I'd stick a section in there, but I'll just save it, and we'll put it in the next one because we got all kinds of things, man, that we didn't have before in understanding and how they hid American Samoa and all that stuff, man. Were there any questions that you had that weren't cleared up by the book, Ike?
• 1:02:48
  Unknown: No. No. No. Because as I said, I'm a critical reader. The book pretty much
• 1:02:54
  explains itself. It's just like something for me.
• 1:02:58
  It does. It explains... It it... It's it's it's it's it's well written, Roger. It's it's very well written.
• 1:03:05
  And it it... You know, when I did have a question, then as I kept on reading, the question I found was answered.
• 1:03:13
  So,
• 1:03:14
  you know, it's just like a lot of people could pick it up, and they could be...
• 1:03:20
  It it it depends
• 1:03:21
  on what your mindset is. It's like a lot of people read the Bible. Sure. And they say the Bible is is is is is is full of,
• 1:03:30
  you know, these errors and things like that, but not to me. When I read it,
• 1:03:35
  you know, it's here a little, there a little, you know, line upon line, preceptible precept. You know? And I get that. So like I said, I don't like reading. I'm a I'm a very, very critical reader. So when I read, I'm reading with a purpose. I'm not reading.
• 1:03:51
  I won't pick up a book just in... Just to read it for entertainment or just, you know, just to...
• 1:03:57
  You know, whenever I read anything, I'm reading with a purpose. It's something I'm trying to glean from that information that I'm reading. Well And and that and that... That's what make it work for me. Well, I need to give proper credit where credit is due. The reason that book is the book it is is because of Glenn Amborn.
• 1:04:15
  Unknown: I probably could have gotten the message across in my writing skills, but Glenn
• 1:04:21
  is a maestro at this stuff. I don't know if you know, Mike, but he he spent nine and a half years in.
• 1:04:29
  The feds came after him and John
• 1:04:33
  with both feet. They were gonna get them off the street. And because
• 1:04:37
  John was so good at the law and Glenn was so good at the law on top of being just a tremendous rider,
• 1:04:44
  every time that they would try and screw with them or do something there in Salt Lake in the district court, they'd appeal it to the tenth circuit.
• 1:04:52
  So then
• 1:04:54
  they had to get it settled at the tenth circuit, then they'd come back, and the next little issue would come up, and they'd appeal it to the tenth circuit.
• 1:05:01
  And it took them years. Figure it again. Yeah, man. It took them years to get them in jail. Alright? But finally, they did. Yeah. I think Glenn... They charged Glenn with 90 counts of some business stuff he'd been involved with in a gal out of Canada
• 1:05:14
  and doing a stock thing and different stuff.
• 1:05:19
  Were just throwing enough at the wall to see something was gonna stick. You know?
• 1:05:23
  Well, Glenn and John Yeah.
• 1:05:27
  Were on to most of this information, but they were having to fight these guys and all the regular battles of being in that kind of a situation. People that have been there know it's no fun. And so
• 1:05:39
  when they sent them up, they gave the judge specifically told Glenn
• 1:05:44
  that he said, I think you're the spark plug of this, and I'm gonna give you more time. And he gave him extra
• 1:05:51
  extra three years. See? And so then they separated him, and they sent Glenn up to
• 1:05:57
  a a a a minimum security facility,
• 1:06:00
  Annapolis
• 1:06:01
  graduate, you know, military officer.
• 1:06:04
  They sent him to a minimum security
• 1:06:07
  facility
• 1:06:08
  up in Northern Minnesota.
• 1:06:10
  Then they sent John
• 1:06:12
  to a minimum security place in Petersburg,
• 1:06:16
  Virginia, one of the only un air conditioned
• 1:06:18
  facilities in the Bureau of Prisons.
• 1:06:21
  And about two years or so into it,
• 1:06:25
  of course, model prisoners,
• 1:06:28
  Glenn said when you get in jail, the one thing that you do not want out is that you can write legal process because you'll have a line at your door a mile long.
• 1:06:38
  Unknown: K? Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  Unknown: Well, he wrote a case for a guy in there that had some... I don't even know what the case was about, but he was another inmate.
• 1:06:47
  Glenn wrote the case for him that if you're gonna appeal up to the Supreme Court, have you to go through an attorney,
• 1:06:54
  and they found an attorney in North or South Dakota.
• 1:06:57
  And that guy took that case to the Supreme Court, and he won.
• 1:07:01
  Glenn's case won at the Supreme Court, and that attorney
• 1:07:05
  said they they gave him a plaque. The bar of the state gave him a plaque because he's the only lawyer that's ever won a case in the history of the state at the Supreme Court.
• 1:07:15
  And the guy said, hell. He said, hell, I didn't even write it.
• 1:07:20
  Unknown: I didn't even write it.
• 1:07:22
  Unknown: That was... That's... You know, see, that's Glenn. You know? I mean, he's just a whippersnapper
• 1:07:26
  at this stuff. And he and John reedited and rewrote my manuscript,
• 1:07:31
  and it turned out to be that book. And so I always give them proper credit.
• 1:07:35
  But, boy, I'm proud of it. K? Because I know it impacts people very heavily.
• 1:07:40
  And
• 1:07:41
  Uh-huh. I urge people to read it. I got people that are asking me questions that haven't read the book yet and stuff. And I say, go back and read the book. You know? Most of your questions, like you said, Ike, are answered at some point in there.
• 1:07:55
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:07:58
  Very clearly.
• 1:07:59
  Unknown: Very clearly. And and, you know, you'd have... You you made the statement a little while ago
• 1:08:04
  that
• 1:08:06
  the information that you had, additional information you wish you had placed in that book.
• 1:08:13
  And if you had the opportunity, you'd probably go back and change it. I I wouldn't change it, Rod. No. I'm not gonna. I'm just... Now
• 1:08:21
  it just means I'm talking about I wouldn't I wouldn't insert it, you know, because
• 1:08:25
  at at the time at the time that you all... That you were writing that book and you you were putting it together, you was operating off of that knowledge, that full knowledge that you have, which I I... Which I must say was... Is quite immense.
• 1:08:39
  But the thing here is is that
• 1:08:41
  look at how much you've grown in more knowledge as time go... As time has gone on. Yes. And as your research has gone on, you're just continuing to grow. So you could never go back and and and change what you've already done because you're continuing to grow. Information that you're receiving today, you going tomorrow,
• 1:09:02
  you're going to... It's going to grow because
• 1:09:05
  you're constantly thinking
• 1:09:07
  about whatever it is you're writing about. You're constantly thinking, and you're constantly
• 1:09:13
  having new ideas and new thoughts come to mind
• 1:09:18
  that that tends to make your... Being able to explain your position even easier.
• 1:09:24
  Unknown: Well, you know, it's funny. I tell people, I and and and you guys will experience this. You just touched on it, is that this is a process. It's not an event.
• 1:09:34
  Because some almost thirty years later, I still realize,
• 1:09:38
  occasionally, something totally new, something to wrinkle, something away, something fits, and I just had never thought about it that way before. So it's Yeah. I think it's something a process will go through really for the rest of our lives to some extent. Your boss your boss has joined us here. Hey, Patrick.
• 1:09:56
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:09:58
  Unknown: Hey, fellas. I'm just listening in. Okay. Well, glad to have you. Did
• 1:10:03
  your mother actually your mother finish the book yet, Patrick? You gave a copy to your mom. Right?
• 1:10:09
  Unknown: I don't know. Ten days ago, she looked like she's halfway through it. And just, you know, I asked her
• 1:10:14
  question too. She just cut her eyes at me. Said, yeah. I'm reading it. Okay. Okay. That's good. I had a old friend from college
• 1:10:22
  Unknown: that I hadn't had any contact within in decades.
• 1:10:25
  He looked me up on the Internet, sent me an email. I... He said, I'm gonna buy your book, and he's an attorney down in Baton Rouge. Okay? And pretty damn good one too. And
• 1:10:34
  he said, Roger, I had to put your book down. I got so damn mad. I just get so damn angry. I had to put it down and walk away from it.
• 1:10:44
  Unknown: Trust me. What's the court? Yeah.
• 1:10:48
  Unknown: Patrick's mom and I talk Pastor's mom and I talk...
• 1:10:52
  We talk politics, and we talk a whole lot. Trust me. She...
• 1:10:56
  If she hasn't completed the book yet,
• 1:10:59
  she has read it. Because we and I... She and I have discussed things in the book and
• 1:11:05
  things that she would not have known
• 1:11:08
  had she not read the book.
• 1:11:10
  She's able to converse with me on the level of that book. So trust me.
• 1:11:16
  Unknown: Yes. Know. I don't know if she completed it, but she she has read it. You know, Ike, back in the back in the old days when John was teaching this stuff, he'd say, if we could free the black man, we could free us all.
• 1:11:31
  Yeah. And see what we found is because John and them, he knew about this before he died,
• 1:11:36
  but
• 1:11:37
  what we found is that we had to free the white man back, free him again to be able to free the black man.
• 1:11:45
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:11:47
  Yeah. Okay. And and I mean, then it's So you took it so much Daryl,
• 1:11:51
  Unknown: who's so succinct and such a good student that calls in here. You guys know who I'm talking about. One day, called in, and he made a statement that I've been thinking about it here the last day or two, actually, and and it's so succinct and it's so accurate and it's so simple. And he said a Gordian knot has to be untied the way it's tied.
• 1:12:13
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:12:15
  Unknown: Okay. Okay. That's a profound I get it. That's profound as you apply it to this. Okay? And the reason that our community as a whole has never had much success
• 1:12:26
  is because they didn't know how to untie it, so they grabbed a machete and started hacking at it.
• 1:12:32
  Unknown: I
• 1:12:34
  don't know. Yeah. Yeah, Rod.
• 1:12:37
  Sorry.
• 1:12:38
  Unknown: You were gonna ask something a minute ago, Patrick, and I rudely interrupted you. Do you remember what that was?
• 1:12:45
  Unknown: Yeah. Recap.
• 1:12:48
  Earlier today, you're talking about the procedures, a process written in '46 from 1933
• 1:12:52
  for all the ABC groups
• 1:12:54
  due process. Did you call that APA?
• 1:12:57
  Unknown: Yes. The Administrative Procedures Act is what that stands for,
• 1:13:01
  and it's the rule book that agencies have to go by, just like this promulgation
• 1:13:06
  of regulations that are specific
• 1:13:09
  with general applicability to everybody
• 1:13:12
  always have to go through a notice and comment procedure.
• 1:13:16
  That entails
• 1:13:17
  is in
• 1:13:19
  the Federal Register, if you ever look in there, it'll say Notice
• 1:13:22
  of Rule Making.
• 1:13:24
  At the top, big bold letters, Notice of Rule Making. They
• 1:13:29
  state the regulation,
• 1:13:31
  and at the bottom they say, You've got so many days to contact this person at this address if you've got a comment, and if you've got a positive or negative comment. Doesn't matter. That's how you contact them, and you send that in, and supposed to,
• 1:13:47
  the rules,
• 1:13:48
  they're supposed to take all those comments into consideration,
• 1:13:51
  and then they go back and rewrite
• 1:13:54
  the regulation,
• 1:13:55
  and they publish it again. At the top it says, Notice of final
• 1:14:01
  rulemaking,
• 1:14:02
  and they lay the regulation out with whatever changes they've made, and it cannot take effect for thirty days,
• 1:14:11
  I believe, thirty, sixty, something like that. It's got a limitation in that period from the time it's finally published until they can get agents out there enforcing it.
• 1:14:22
  Now this is interesting too,
• 1:14:25
  and this came from just a lecture that John is just something it impressed me and stuck in my mind. Things do that occasionally.
• 1:14:32
  You know where the term bureaucrat came from?
• 1:14:37
  Unknown: Where? No. I don't. The French Revolution.
• 1:14:42
  Unknown: When the first time the Illuminati
• 1:14:44
  debauched the money supply and overthrew a country
• 1:14:47
  in in trying their new tools and their toys was the French Revolution.
• 1:14:52
  And then they instituted an administrative
• 1:14:55
  state,
• 1:14:56
  and the administrative
• 1:14:57
  state officers and officials
• 1:15:00
  had burlap
• 1:15:01
  on their desks.
• 1:15:03
  That's how you could identify them, and burlap
• 1:15:06
  bureaucrat
• 1:15:07
  is is is is burlap in French.
• 1:15:13
  Unknown: Burlap.
• 1:15:14
  Boom.
• 1:15:15
  Unknown: K?
• 1:15:16
  That's where... I just thought that was one of those interesting little tidbits, man. So there's the the... And, of course, that... That's the first time in modern times they had an administrative state back in Rome.
• 1:15:28
  I mean, listen. These guys know the history of Rome up one side and down the other.
• 1:15:34
  Unknown: So I can call them the sack boys when they show up? You could. If you... Hopefully, you'll file an affidavit,
• 1:15:40
  Unknown: and they won't have any occasion to come see you.
• 1:15:43
  Come see you. There you go.
• 1:15:45
  Unknown: What's the name of the court what's the name of the court you talk about that nobody knows about? You very rarely use court of... It's not a court of appeal. It's else. US Court of Claims.
• 1:15:56
  Unknown: Yeah. US claim. Yeah. And and what what the suspicion is
• 1:16:01
  that that is the only common law court left in the country. Now realize what these guys did.
• 1:16:08
  They couldn't get rid of the constitution and the old state citizenship or any of that stuff. They don't have that kind of power. They can go hide it, okay, and make you think it ain't there anymore.
• 1:16:18
  Alright? And so when they... But they've still gotta leave
• 1:16:22
  some semblance of it because it's still there, they can't get rid of it. So if you were structuring something like that, you'd only leave one common law court available, and then you had to leave one,
• 1:16:34
  And, evidently, that's what the US court of claims is.
• 1:16:39
  Evidently.
• 1:16:40
  What could be heard there? Well, one of the things that they do could be heard tell you one of the cases that has to be heard there are vaccine cases,
• 1:16:48
  and the government pays for both attorneys.
• 1:16:53
  Unknown: Wow.
• 1:16:56
  Unknown: That I did not know. And that's something that I've been trying to get people that have hit roadblocks in the state courts or the federal courts at lower levels to go up to the damn court of claims. You know, we got a couple of people that we hadn't been able to jar a passport out of. They're very unique circumstances.
• 1:17:14
  Okay? And and instead of trying to fight it from the top down, they're trying to fight it from the bottom up like our community has always done and been so damned unsuccessful at all these years. Mhmm. Okay? You're trying to fight through layers and layers and layers of these bureau crats whose pensions
• 1:17:33
  and careers
• 1:17:34
  and reputation
• 1:17:36
  all depend on them making sure you don't win.
• 1:17:40
  And if you do get lucky and win at some lower level, you gotta go up, you know, They'll appeal it. You gotta go up and fight it again, and you gotta go through layer and layer and layer and layer. That's not the way to beat these guys.
• 1:17:53
  Their whole deal's based on fraud. You beat them by going to the top knocker and slitting his throat, and then you got all of them.
• 1:18:03
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:18:06
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:18:07
  Unknown: They control through the top down. You've gotta beat them through the top down.
• 1:18:14
  That's been our our community's biggest downfall in the almost thirty years I've been in it.
• 1:18:21
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:18:22
  And quite frankly, I've I've I've actually... In my experiences, I've only had very
• 1:18:28
  I've only come across that that federal claims court.
• 1:18:35
  Unknown: Very rarely did you find anything written on that. No. You don't hear very much about it. I'll tell you where I picked that up initially,
• 1:18:41
  and maybe you guys have heard of this guy. He's admirable enough to talk about again. His name is Wayne Hague.
• 1:18:48
  Have you ever heard of him?
• 1:18:51
  No. I haven't. Okay. He's dead now, unfortunately. Won his case at the Supreme Court posthumously,
• 1:18:56
  but he was the one that did a lot of this research. He was a big landowner out in Nevada.
• 1:19:04
  Patrick, you remember back when Newt Gingrich was rolled in, the Gingrich revolution,
• 1:19:09
  there was a gal that ran,
• 1:19:12
  and her platform was, I'm only gonna serve one term. And she's a real attractive gal from Idaho named Helen Chinawith.
• 1:19:19
  Do you ever remember seeing her?
• 1:19:23
  No. No. I don't. I was She was I bet they... He She was a striking female, you know, physically. She's just a lovely person, had great conservative values,
• 1:19:34
  and she only served one term. But she was swept in in that whole Newt Gingrich era when Brent was running. That's just when Brent was running for congress, was on that ticket, you know, too, by the way. So, anyway, Helen Chinelith, when she retired,
• 1:19:50
  ended up marrying this guy, Wayne Hague. He's a huge landowner,
• 1:19:53
  and he'd been fighting BLM and all these agencies out there for years.
• 1:19:57
  And
• 1:19:58
  she got, unfortunately, killed in a car wreck,
• 1:20:01
  and he later died, I think, of cancer. But there's a... Some of his videos should still be on YouTube.
• 1:20:08
  And did a series of about six or eight relatively short videos talking about all this stuff, and in one of those videos,
• 1:20:16
  he said, In all of our research,
• 1:20:19
  we've come to conclude that the US Court of Claims is the only common law court left in the country. That's where I first heard this years ago, okay, and where the source But of it
• 1:20:31
  over the years, I've seen a lot of things that lead me to to con... Confirm that.
• 1:20:39
  K?
• 1:20:41
  But we've not tested So We've not tested anything up there yet, and that's what I'm trying to get Tom Schramm to do for the last year. I got so disgusted. I just threw my hands up and said, well, go solve it your own way. You know? But I think that is an answer to go up there and throw one of these suits up there and see if we don't get some satisfaction out of them.
• 1:21:02
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:21:04
  let me let me ask you some ABCs about what I've learned and just said yes or no. Is...
• 1:21:09
  My rights and duties are prescribed out of Torah to me from my inalienable creator. Right?
• 1:21:14
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:21:16
  It's the principle. Our our our country was founded on that principle. And if you don't believe it Exactly. With the declaration of independence
• 1:21:24
  and look at what words are capitalized.
• 1:21:26
  Rights,
• 1:21:27
  duties,
• 1:21:28
  god,
• 1:21:29
  citizen,
• 1:21:30
  all those words are capitalized in in those early paragraphs of the declaration.
• 1:21:37
  Unknown: I concur with you. Number two,
• 1:21:41
  all I am is a villain on the king's manor,
• 1:21:44
  and I'm filling out my paperwork to come off of his manor just like the fourteenth amendment where
• 1:21:50
  they... The the slave comes off the plantation and goes into the federal plantation. That's correct. And I'm dis... I'm disconnected myself from all that, and I'm standing on my own ground from my rights from
• 1:22:03
  Unknown: my forefathers who wrote the constitution. Correct. And the way the country was founded and,
• 1:22:07
  you know, with that, then that word duty becomes very important.
• 1:22:14
  You got these capital R
• 1:22:18
  rights all of a sudden. Now you owe the capital D duties, all right?
• 1:22:23
  So this is interesting, Ike.
• 1:22:25
  So if you make this paperwork
• 1:22:29
  commitment and change
• 1:22:31
  and they ask you, are you a resident? Well, now you can't. You you don't wanna say yes,
• 1:22:36
  do you? Yeah. Well, then where is your residency?
• 1:22:42
  Unknown: In heaven.
• 1:22:43
  Unknown: Okay. Now this is back to this substantive law and that formula
• 1:22:47
  because you're a person from where you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties. Right?
• 1:22:52
  So that's your law giver. You look much greater. In the residency thing, they're not asking you where you live. They're asking you what system of law are you under. So, if they ask you where your residency is and this came to me on an airplane when I'm living here in South America because when you're flying between countries and stuff, they all want you to fill out these little pieces of paper and they ask you these questions. This is what's your country of residency?
• 1:23:16
  I go, well, hell, I've already got this affidavit filed. It's not The US anymore. I'm illegally in an illegal alien in Argentina,
• 1:23:25
  so I don't have any residency.
• 1:23:27
  And so I guess my residency must be in heaven.
• 1:23:33
  Because that's where I get my rights and to whom I owe my duties.
• 1:23:37
  Unknown: Duties. Absolutely.
• 1:23:39
  Unknown: So when you file this paperwork, your residency moves to heaven. Now ain't that good news?
• 1:23:46
  Unknown: Yeah. Very good news. Yeah.
• 1:23:49
  Unknown: Well, who's your relationship supposed to be with? Your creator, then your family,
• 1:23:53
  and then your friends? I mean, taking care of... You know? And and what I see out of all this, it's it's made it real simple after five
• 1:23:59
  or six months. I got it in a nutshell now.
• 1:24:02
  But I know where I'm headed with this between IQ
• 1:24:05
  Unknown: and others. I'm... We're gonna have to defend each other because we're gonna take it to them. Well And they're gonna come at me with vigor. I don't think they are. I think gonna be shocked that they're gonna start doing what you want them to do, and they're not gonna come after you. Alright?
• 1:24:19
  Unknown: But Well, when you when you put a when you put a local you put a local authority that I've stirred up and hit the hornet's nest so much on on
• 1:24:26
  point about this, put them on notice,
• 1:24:29
  they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna name me as something else that I'm not. Oh. And I'm not that person, but they got that scenario that happened in West Memphis where,
• 1:24:37
  you know, they use that word sovereign
• 1:24:39
  and
• 1:24:41
  called you a certain type of citizen. That's where they're gonna go with this. You're gonna be rated x, and they're gonna ride you like... But but you're not gonna you're not gonna recreate their mind. Let let me tell you about a year and a half ago, I got an email from a Patriot research guy. I didn't know him well. I knew his name. We'd had some dealings. Okay?
• 1:24:58
  Unknown: And so I get an email from him, and he says, I've moved up to Indiana,
• 1:25:02
  and I've gotten in all this trouble up here, and the US attorney's coming after me and calling me a sovereign citizen, and all this other stuff's happening to me. What do I do?
• 1:25:12
  And I said, well, why don't you file an affidavit
• 1:25:15
  with the Secretary of State, and the next time you have any dealings with the US attorney and she tries to call you a sovereign citizen, you just tell her you're a US national.
• 1:25:25
  And do you know I've... The guy's never even gotten back with me
• 1:25:28
  to tell me what's happened and stuff. But if... So I don't hear anything bad news,
• 1:25:33
  I have to assume that it's worked every other time that I know anybody's been in these situations.
• 1:25:39
  So I gotta imagine that he dropped that, sent him an affidavit,
• 1:25:43
  put that in her face, and they had to go away because they can't come after you.
• 1:25:52
  I know our people have a hard getting this
• 1:25:57
  under their belt. I know they do. And I understand because I went through it too, but this is what I've learned over the years. And John's statement that he used to say in those seminars is absolutely correct, is they have a legal peg.
• 1:26:11
  They're hanging their legal hat on it, and by and far the most part,
• 1:26:16
  they follow it to a tee.
• 1:26:19
  All of the all the victories for the most part that we've had in the in the Patriot community. Do you know where all those almost almost exclusively
• 1:26:27
  come from, Patrick and Ike?
• 1:26:29
  What? Where? When people found something in the regulations that they didn't do correctly.
• 1:26:37
  Unknown: They have to follow
• 1:26:40
  Unknown: that
• 1:26:41
  Administrative
• 1:26:42
  Procedures Act in this thing. And if... And you know this personally because you've had success here. If they step outside of those delegated responsibilities,
• 1:26:51
  now they're personally liable, and they lose their cloak of immunity.
• 1:26:56
  Mhmm.
• 1:26:57
  Unknown: And they'll do that.
• 1:27:00
  Unknown: Well, it may be that you gotta... It may be that you and I gotta take one or two of them to the woodshed to to let... To learn them.
• 1:27:09
  Unknown: I I tell them that all the time.
• 1:27:12
  Because I don't mind going to the woodshed with them. I'll take them in a minute because
• 1:27:18
  because,
• 1:27:19
  basically, the people that we have to deal with
• 1:27:23
  here in this state and in this city
• 1:27:25
  are just...
• 1:27:27
  They are
• 1:27:29
  how... I guess,
• 1:27:32
  you you know, I feel sorry for them because it... They really they
• 1:27:37
  really don't know
• 1:27:40
  even what they're supposed to know.
• 1:27:42
  You know? They recently passed an ordinance
• 1:27:46
  here in Memphis
• 1:27:48
  where they're trying to control
• 1:27:51
  business owners,
• 1:27:53
  the people who own companies. They are trying to control those people and how they manage their businesses by controlling the vendors.
• 1:28:02
  See, they can't go to these people and tell them,
• 1:28:05
  you can't do this and you have to do this. And so what they do is they pass an ordinance that targets the vendors that the people use.
• 1:28:14
  You see? Yep. And they then try to tell those vendors, for instance, they may try to tell us,
• 1:28:20
  you can't you can't tow anywhere
• 1:28:23
  where there's a... There's no sign. Wait a minute.
• 1:28:28
  Signage is not the tow company's responsibility.
• 1:28:31
  You
• 1:28:32
  see?
• 1:28:33
  That's the... Under the law... Under your law, the signage is the owner's responsibility,
• 1:28:39
  not the tow company. So if you call me someone who's parked the vehicle on your property without your knowledge and and your approval,
• 1:28:47
  and you call me to tow it, you... As long as you own that property and you tell me to take it over there or you're in control of that property, you tell me to take it off of that property, I'm gonna take it. I don't care what this ordinance said because the ordinance is not directed at me. The ordinance is direct... The ordinance requires that of the owner. But what do they do? These people who are unlearned,
• 1:29:10
  they know they can't tell the owner what to put on his property and how to put it up there, so they try to make up a ordinance that targets the tow companies or any other vendors that person may be using to service his property. You see what I'm saying? Oh, it's a very interesting point and a very fine point in a way that they manipulate these things.
• 1:29:28
  Unknown: And it also shows... I'll tell you what else it also shows and illustrates is a limit of their powers, and we automatically... Most of us always
• 1:29:37
  throw this throw this idea on these guys as omnipotent and can do anything,
• 1:29:42
  and they can't. They can only do stuff in in a delegated
• 1:29:46
  responsibility,
• 1:29:47
  and they can only do it to a certain class of people. To a certain... Absolutely.
• 1:29:53
  Unknown: Absolutely.
• 1:29:55
  Unknown: So Don't you have to see So I... Can you Will you You you don't have any connections to Louis Farrakhan, do you?
• 1:30:06
  Unknown: That was really an infuriating.
• 1:30:08
  Unknown: Let me tell you. I've been trying I've been trying to get this information to Louis Farrakhan for eight years.
• 1:30:16
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:30:17
  Unknown: If you wanna see a spark plug
• 1:30:20
  that could absolutely
• 1:30:22
  ignite
• 1:30:23
  the black community,
• 1:30:25
  you throw this in the middle of them.
• 1:30:27
  Unknown: In face of Louis Farrakhan.
• 1:30:30
  Absolutely.
• 1:30:31
  After I get me a little bit more understanding, I'm a reach out to that to that brother through the Nation of Islam.
• 1:30:38
  I'm gonna reach out to him.
• 1:30:40
  He lives in Chicago.
• 1:30:42
  It's been prominent there. My daughter my daughter has frequented his home several times. She knows some of his people.
• 1:30:49
  Unknown: So I think we might be able get something I... That you... That may have been the reason god sent you to us, buddy, right there.
• 1:30:56
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 1:30:57
  Unknown: Yeah. She frequencies home quite a bit. Oh, now the reason I'm really excited about you and Patrick is because you wanna take this to the next level and go ahead and establish it, your your status correctly and start doing business in that method.
• 1:31:12
  We hadn't had anybody
• 1:31:14
  step it and take it to that level. I mean, Darryl has on a solo deal. You're more of a public
• 1:31:21
  enterprise that has interaction
• 1:31:23
  with the local authorities on a much more regular and detailed
• 1:31:29
  regularity.
• 1:31:30
  But the good news is I got somebody else that's one to two.
• 1:31:35
  So see, I see the progress that we're making, and it's slow. Okay? And the reason, Patrick, is because you're not a dumb guy. Okay?
• 1:31:44
  You may not have had a whole bunch of formal education and learned to read off the back of paint cans and stuff, but you ain't a dumb guy. Alright? Or you wouldn't be at where you are and accomplish what you've accomplished.
• 1:31:55
  But I understand so well that for most people, it takes months
• 1:32:01
  to get your arms around this.
• 1:32:07
  Yeah. For some people,
• 1:32:09
  ain't easy. And for some people, it just appears to be downright almost impossible.
• 1:32:15
  Unknown: Impossible.
• 1:32:16
  And you know For us... For Patrick and for Patrick and I, we have
• 1:32:21
  ample opportunity,
• 1:32:23
  you see, to bring these these things to light
• 1:32:26
  and to share this with other people.
• 1:32:29
  So
• 1:32:31
  we're try... I'm trying to focus on that.
• 1:32:34
  I really am
• 1:32:36
  because this information is is so crucial.
• 1:32:39
  And I understand what Patrick is saying too because,
• 1:32:42
  you know, after they had that incident there in Arkansas,
• 1:32:46
  the then attorney general, Eric Holder,
• 1:32:49
  appointed the
• 1:32:52
  appointed the then
• 1:32:54
  West Memphis Police Department chief.
• 1:32:57
  He appointed him as a czar, if you will, to go around the country and to teach
• 1:33:03
  these law enforcement agencies
• 1:33:05
  about the so called sovereigns.
• 1:33:08
  Yeah. You know? So that once that word sovereign is used,
• 1:33:12
  immediately, the close minded judges and the
• 1:33:16
  prosecutors, these people who have no knowledge,
• 1:33:18
  who've gone to law school and had... Don't have an inkling of the knowledge that you have about the constitutionality
• 1:33:26
  or or of the common law or anything. He have... They have no inkling. I've actually been in court, and I've used Latin phrases
• 1:33:34
  in my pleadings and in my speaking to the court. And I've had attorney to say, what does that mean? What... Wait. What's that? What you mean?
• 1:33:42
  Something as common as hornbook law? You don't know what hornbook law is? Or something something as common as that app... Appnicho?
• 1:33:51
  I mean, you pro hagvisi,
• 1:33:53
  things like that, and you don't know what these things mean, and you're an attorney? You're a licensed attorney?
• 1:33:59
  Unknown: You know, I I went through paralegal school for six months when I was still in Atlanta. I
• 1:34:05
  was teaching, and the school that I taught at owned the paralegal school so I could go for free. And when I realized that, I said, well, I'll just go sign up and go through a semester night classes over there, which I did.
• 1:34:16
  And we had 10 different modules,
• 1:34:19
  contract
• 1:34:20
  law, real estate law, legal research, etcetera.
• 1:34:24
  We were always taught by local attorneys.
• 1:34:27
  Okay? And one of the attorneys got up in our class and he said, when you guys graduate, you'll know more about the law than the attorney you work for.
• 1:34:37
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:34:39
  Unknown: Yeah. Okay? I mean, he made that statement in class. I was shocked. Alright? But what they do is they teach them
• 1:34:47
  about procedure
• 1:34:48
  and all this intricate merchant laws, law of the city type procedure.
• 1:34:53
  They don't teach them any real law.
• 1:34:55
  That's why one of the questions when you're talking to any of these guys and you get down to anything serious in a legal discussion area, you ask them that question I ask you. What's the legal concept behind the legal definition of the word person?
• 1:35:11
  And you'll see how much they know. If they don't know what determines what a person is,
• 1:35:18
  what the hell do you... Hell, persons used in almost every law. All laws are written for persons, places,
• 1:35:24
  or things or actions.
• 1:35:27
  Those three, persons, things, or actions,
• 1:35:30
  and the majority of them are written for persons. Of course, Gary's joined us, one of our good newer newer, I say, in the last year and a half or so listeners who... I'll tell your story, Gary. He was praying to God for truth,
• 1:35:44
  and somehow he led him to one of my videos. Isn't that correct, Gary?
• 1:35:49
  Unknown: Spot on, Raj. Spot on. You're you're you're right on.
• 1:35:54
  And greetings to you and and Ike and and Patrick.
• 1:35:58
  Yeah.
• 1:35:59
  I I was... There was no doubt I was I was searching for answers because I knew I knew there was... You know, as you had had said in the past, you know something's wrong. You see something isn't quite right, and you see what's going on in the world and the country and all.
• 1:36:16
  And and I I often thought to myself, what can one man do? And I I I just... I continually
• 1:36:25
  asked that question,
• 1:36:27
  and then
• 1:36:28
  somehow came across this information,
• 1:36:30
  and it's it's definitely God inspired. There... There's no doubt.
• 1:36:35
  And, you know, getting back to your book,
• 1:36:37
  it was it was god inspired and don't change a word, and, you know, god's hand was upon you to write that, and that's that's why you're here.
• 1:36:47
  And...
• 1:36:48
  But... Yeah. It it... It's... You look back, and even though I have a lot to learn, I'm just at at the beginning. I'm a pup. I'm a rookie.
• 1:36:57
  And I... And... But I'm
• 1:36:59
  I'm all ears, and I have an open mind. And I just... I wanna... I I wish there was a funnel on top of my head just poured in. You know? And... But
• 1:37:09
  Unknown: I used to wish through all your information. Wish that I could get information
• 1:37:13
  through osmosis,
• 1:37:15
  and I'd stick those books under my damn pillow.
• 1:37:20
  Unknown: Oh, I tell you what. Yeah. Speaking of pillow, I... This morning,
• 1:37:25
  I woke up at... I wanna share this with you.
• 1:37:28
  I woke up at two in the morning, and, you know, we probably all have our moments where middle of the night, you can't sleep, and you're tossing turns. Like, best thing to do is just get up. And... But when I when I woke up,
• 1:37:41
  I woke up with that one statement. I hear from you,
• 1:37:44
  And
• 1:37:45
  and it's it's the... That one line where he has erected a multitude of officers
• 1:37:52
  and, you know, to eat out our substance.
• 1:37:55
  And I I looked at... I was looking that up. I thought, where is that again? And I want... And so I ended up... Here I am reading the declaration of independence at two in the morning and
• 1:38:06
  read the whole thing, and I thought, I I need to read this now, apparently. I'm... I think I'm being told
• 1:38:12
  to move to read this now. Okay. Fine.
• 1:38:15
  And,
• 1:38:16
  you know, duty calls. Fine. But but... And and as I was going through it, just... It's such a beautiful document. And
• 1:38:25
  and I was... As I'm going through there... And it it was talking about how the oppression that the the the king
• 1:38:32
  was,
• 1:38:34
  yeah, just instituting
• 1:38:36
  so much oppression
• 1:38:37
  on the colonies and the and the taxation
• 1:38:40
  with our representation and the whole list
• 1:38:44
  just going through. And so you conjure up these pictures in your mind,
• 1:38:48
  and and I'm thinking, you know what?
• 1:38:50
  When we file our affidavit, we file our our document,
• 1:38:54
  that's our declaration of independence.
• 1:38:56
  On an individual level, it's the same thing. Sure is.
• 1:39:02
  And Eloquent. Hey. Eloquent. Eloquent. You know? Eloquent document.
• 1:39:07
  Unknown: Much of the influence
• 1:39:09
  on Jefferson came from John Locke.
• 1:39:14
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:39:15
  Unknown: K.
• 1:39:16
  Unknown: I've I've heard of the name. I don't know much about John Locke. Great Scottish. You...
• 1:39:21
  Unknown: Boy, Brent could go on about it. If we bring it up tomorrow, he'll go about... On it about it for thirty, forty five minutes.
• 1:39:27
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 1:39:29
  Unknown: Yeah. He was... He wrote... I'll tell you one thing. He wrote a
• 1:39:32
  book
• 1:39:33
  called Two Treaties of Government, and I've never had the book. I had the audio tapes of it at one point.
• 1:39:41
  And one of the two theories of government that he proposed in that book, Gary
• 1:39:47
  and I can... Patrick, an audience, was called government
• 1:39:51
  by contract.
• 1:39:53
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:39:54
  Unknown: And I guarantee you, that's what we got.
• 1:39:58
  Unknown: Yeah. Contract.
• 1:40:00
  Unknown: But we have instituted another... A new government of uncontract.
• 1:40:04
  So... Because just like in the wizard or or in Alice in Wonderland,
• 1:40:10
  remember when he... She she stumbled into the tea party? Do you remember what they were celebrating at the tea party?
• 1:40:18
  Unknown: I don't remember the story. Your unbirthday.
• 1:40:21
  Unknown: So you have one day of the year that's your birthday, but every other day is your unbirthday, and that's what they were celebrating.
• 1:40:27
  So if we're gonna uncontract
• 1:40:29
  with these people, see
• 1:40:32
  Unknown: Words. I
• 1:40:35
  guess. I guess. Okay.
• 1:40:37
  I guess.
• 1:40:38
  Boy.
• 1:40:39
  Unknown: But I I I sure hope,
• 1:40:42
  Ike, that somehow with with your background, your experience, your age, your wisdom,
• 1:40:47
  and your vision that you can be a spark plug to your community with this information.
• 1:40:51
  That's my prayer. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:40:54
  Absolutely. And I appreciate that. I'm sure I will be. You know why? You know why I say that? Because I know when they get one of these affidavits up there at secretary of state's office,
• 1:41:04
  somebody in some office up on the 7th Floor,
• 1:41:08
  their sphincter muscle tightens.
• 1:41:12
  And when they get one from a black person, it tightens double.
• 1:41:20
  Unknown: Really tight.
• 1:41:22
  I tell Patrick that all the time. They can't... They probably hate me downtown here.
• 1:41:27
  They probably hate me. Patrick laughed about it. They thought of it.
• 1:41:33
  Unknown: Well, let me tell you. You know? Hey, Ike. Let me add something. That's okay if they hate you. It doesn't matter if they hate you. What matters
• 1:41:40
  is if they respect you, and I guarantee you, you're gonna command their respect.
• 1:41:45
  They
• 1:41:47
  Unknown: do. They they respect Patrick very much.
• 1:41:50
  They do.
• 1:41:52
  So
• 1:41:53
  for that, I'm happy. I mean, I...... Thankful because they've checked him enough to leave him alone about a lot of stupid stuff they're doing.
• 1:42:02
  And quite frankly, you know, it's because of him that...
• 1:42:07
  Let me just put it like this. Once I'm completely armed with the information that you're saying and you're giving to me,
• 1:42:13
  yeah, you'll be way over there. You'd be there in Ecuador, but you'll be here, and they got there after I... So you might as well just get in a little room already over there. Well, you know, I I take great pleasure in knowing that they know where this came from.
• 1:42:28
  Unknown: And part of my motivation is the $35,000
• 1:42:31
  they stole at my house closing.
• 1:42:33
  And every time I know somebody files an affidavit,
• 1:42:37
  I get a big chunk of that back in satisfaction.
• 1:42:40
  Okay? So that's part of my motivation too. They make their own worst enemies.
• 1:42:45
  Bob, your fellow Floridian, Gary, has joined us, and he always has something to bring. Usually, he's picking some nit about something. What are you here to pick today, Bob?
• 1:42:58
  Unknown: No nitpicking
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  today. Oh, good. No. I had a comment.
• 1:43:03
  Mark it down on your calendar. No nitpicking today. No. I had a comment concerning... He said lock
• 1:43:09
  as far as government by contract. And
• 1:43:14
  I don't know why, but you get something in your teeth, you know, and you just can't let it go. And I really been worrying this wicker v Silbern thing out.
• 1:43:22
  And I was listening to several
• 1:43:25
  self proclaimed legal beagles
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  exposit
• 1:43:29
  and propose
• 1:43:30
  different things about it, you know, anywhere from five minutes to fifteen minute little
• 1:43:35
  vignettes on how it worked and why it worked, and nobody got the point. Everybody's talking about the interstate commerce clause,
• 1:43:43
  which is how they hide it. Sure. And I read through that through cornelllawlaw.com...
• 1:43:49
  Whatever. Anyway, Cornell's got a nice site.
• 1:43:52
  And,
• 1:43:53
  boy, it's hard to come through and find that one little phrase that talks about in former times, it may not have been so,
• 1:44:00
  and that's the only reference to the fact that you... You're under
• 1:44:04
  a different...
• 1:44:05
  You're in a different state now. Anyway,
• 1:44:08
  the interesting point is there's this guy that's given a 17
• 1:44:12
  oration on how he sees it, and
• 1:44:15
  it was under the context of worst Supreme Court decisions ever, and it was it was coming in a high second toward Keoh being the first, you know, the taking Right. Oh, yeah. Eminent domain. Oh, yeah. And everybody thought that was bad. And, of course, how could you not?
• 1:44:31
  Well, anyway,
• 1:44:32
  of course, part of the good stuff of of listening to some of these videos is listening and then reading the comments, and most of them are throwaway comments.
• 1:44:41
  But one of them was really good. It was very concise, and it just said lowercase...
• 1:44:48
  It had three words, lowercase citizen,
• 1:44:51
  uppercase citizen, and then all caps citizen.
• 1:44:54
  That was the three words to start.
• 1:44:56
  And then said,
• 1:44:57
  don't be one of these.
• 1:44:59
  It's all about the contract.
• 1:45:01
  And the answer from the know it all that put the video up was, maybe in your fantasy world, buddy, but that's not how the law works. And I thought, wow.
• 1:45:11
  Look in the look in the looking glass there, buddy. The joke is on you. I just thought it was so poetic. You know? Here he is acting like he's doing the knows what's going on, and and the guy that wrote in,
• 1:45:21
  oh, that's a contract.
• 1:45:23
  He... He's actually the one that's correct and the guy that put the video up, you know, seventeen minutes worth of blather, and he still doesn't understand the point.
• 1:45:33
  Unknown: That's why I've gotten I've gotten,
• 1:45:36
  you know, so
• 1:45:38
  oh, what's the word I'm looking about? I just really pay attention to the people I listen to and where I spend my time.
• 1:45:48
  Unknown: Oh, yeah.
• 1:45:51
  I think it's interesting, though, to
• 1:45:54
  to... The the the the point I'm making
• 1:45:56
  is that
• 1:45:58
  the
• 1:46:00
  ICE Internet... Interstate
• 1:46:02
  commerce...
• 1:46:03
  Blah blah blah.
• 1:46:04
  Interstate commerce clause is how everybody perceives this to have been thrust upon them.
• 1:46:11
  And, basically, the entire decision, the entire opinion, when you read it, it does very little to dispel that. But that was a unanimous
• 1:46:21
  decision.
• 1:46:22
  Unanimous. How often does that happen?
• 1:46:24
  Unknown: Not too often. Well, it happened recently on something real
• 1:46:28
  that it even got Ginsburg in those votes. I don't remember what it was. It was kinda shocking. Yeah. But you don't see them agree totally. My point. Yeah. In total to... On very much. Point is that it wasn't ever... It it it wasn't about the commerce clause, but that's the way it's couched. That's the way the lay reader understands it.
• 1:46:48
  Unknown: That's the way they couch it in such a way that it doesn't dispel that.
• 1:46:55
  Unknown: But it's all about the contract. What person are you? They've done a masterful job of hiding this, and I'm... You know, earlier a minute ago, I told Ike, you know, I hate these son of a bitches. Okay? I mean, I really do. Alright? And and that doesn't mean that I don't respect them because I respect them to the absolute nth because I've been picking their work apart for a a good part of my lifetime,
• 1:47:20
  and I am astounded
• 1:47:21
  at how fast, hideous, and smart they are to hide these things right in plain sight.
• 1:47:28
  Right
• 1:47:29
  in plain sight. Right in front of you, man, and they hide it. Right in front of you. Yep.
• 1:47:37
  Unknown: Now Yep. I was just listening, and when I heard that part about Locke and the contract, it just brought me back to that comment on that YouTube video yesterday when I was looking at it. You know? Yep. Citizen, citizen, citizen. Don't be one of these. It's all about the contract. And the guy just laughed at him, basically, and said, you... Oh, and to to top it off, you'll like this, Ike.
• 1:47:57
  Mhmm. After he said, maybe in your fantasy world, way law law really works. And then he put in... He said, sovereign citizen con... You know, with a question mark, kind of taunting the guy like he thought that was gonna be funny.
• 1:48:11
  And Sure. No. I'm pretty sure this guy understood what he was talking about because he he he got the nut of it. It's all about the contract.
• 1:48:20
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. It just... They don't understand which... And and here's where the erroneous line of thought comes from that, is they think it's a contract you execute
• 1:48:31
  we're and and
• 1:48:39
  we're
• 1:48:41
  we're doing,
• 1:48:43
  involuntary servitude.
• 1:48:44
  Not involuntary,
• 1:48:46
  but voluntary
• 1:48:47
  servitude,
• 1:48:48
  which is legal
• 1:48:49
  Yeah. You're not because it's left out of omission in the thirteenth amendment.
• 1:48:55
  Unknown: Now this is this is something time you
• 1:48:58
  Unknown: Every time. Go ahead, Gary. Well,
• 1:49:01
  Unknown: every time you consent, you know, through the years, you know, paying
• 1:49:05
  your income tax, the $10.40,
• 1:49:07
  you know, and and through other means or
• 1:49:11
  documents,
• 1:49:12
  you... You're consenting.
• 1:49:14
  You're keeping that thing going. I mean, are are you not recontracting
• 1:49:18
  in a sense?
• 1:49:19
  Unknown: No. You're you're just... Well, you're you're doing another contract. Can You go into the bank and try and open an account or you can go down. Probably,
• 1:49:27
  hell, they're probably asking you this stuff for you. Mail a package at UPS anymore. Are you a citizen of The United States or are you a resident? And you answer and you sign something. That's a contract in itself,
• 1:49:40
  but that doesn't reinforce it. It just get... Tells them that you know at least on the surface surface, what you are, and it confirms...
• 1:49:50
  What it does is legitimizes
• 1:49:52
  the fraud.
• 1:49:54
  It allows them to go to the courts and say Yeah. Hey. The... We asked them what they are, and they told us. Yeah.
• 1:50:02
  We asked you. Yeah. It's the legitimacy of the whole thing,
• 1:50:06
  and they just don't understand.
• 1:50:08
  Oh, it's genius. This absolute
• 1:50:11
  genius plan.
• 1:50:12
  No
• 1:50:13
  mere mortal man could have put this together, buddy. This had to be consultation
• 1:50:18
  with Satan.
• 1:50:20
  You bet you Did they ask you on the passport what you are? No. But guess what they do ask on the passport application?
• 1:50:29
  Who your parents are. Exactly. Parents are. Because the presumption's
• 1:50:33
  there, and the presumption... They tell you a couple of places that you can file this stuff. They don't tell you why.
• 1:50:39
  So... But they're setting the presumption. Or your parents, citizens of The United States. You got a yes or no box beside that. Everybody's
• 1:50:48
  gonna, for the most part, click yes.
• 1:50:50
  Okay. Our parents were in servitude.
• 1:50:53
  This kid that's applying for this document must be in the same condition
• 1:50:58
  unless you tell us otherwise.
• 1:51:01
  Right. Now But we have to Ike, this is important. In that passport, we we have to say yes, though. No. You don't. For the parents because they were. Yeah. Of course. And you don't wanna lie on those things. Of They take lying on that application
• 1:51:14
  damn serious.
• 1:51:16
  Alright?
• 1:51:17
  I... This is what I wanted you to know is you don't have to have... You don't have to apply for a passport to file the affidavit.
• 1:51:26
  See, we didn't know that when the book was written.
• 1:51:29
  Uh-huh. And let me quote you, and if I could dig back in my hard drives, I could find the darn thing. I guess I'm gonna have to one of these days.
• 1:51:38
  A listener
• 1:51:39
  sent me this court site
• 1:51:41
  right
• 1:51:43
  after the book was out and I was doing these radio shows.
• 1:51:48
  It's an 1835
• 1:51:49
  case,
• 1:51:51
  and it's got a style that I can't pronounce.
• 1:51:54
  D. U. Berse versus Argosy, or something along those lines.
• 1:51:59
  And
• 1:52:00
  it's about this
• 1:52:01
  issue right here from 1835,
• 1:52:05
  and I'm gonna basically paraphrase
• 1:52:07
  the site for you. You. Okay? And it starts out by saying, the passport
• 1:52:12
  is an ex parte
• 1:52:14
  document
• 1:52:15
  and only meant to identify the bearer under the law of nations
• 1:52:21
  as to the country of origin that he can pass freely between countries,
• 1:52:25
  etcetera.
• 1:52:26
  That kind of flowery language.
• 1:52:29
  And it says, but
• 1:52:31
  if this is to be considered in a court of law about citizenship,
• 1:52:38
  it doesn't have anything to do with the passport
• 1:52:42
  because then it applies
• 1:52:44
  totally and wholly
• 1:52:46
  to the documentation
• 1:52:47
  which is in the possession of the secretary of state,
• 1:52:52
  if admissible
• 1:52:53
  in a court of law,
• 1:52:56
  should be admitted as the higher and better evidence. So it's not the passport.
• 1:53:01
  It's the affidavit
• 1:53:03
  in your administrative folder.
• 1:53:06
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:53:07
  Unknown: Yeah. Understood. I got I
• 1:53:10
  got you. Yep.
• 1:53:11
  Mhmm.
• 1:53:13
  Unknown: So that was one thing we didn't know. Now I always try and encourage people
• 1:53:18
  to do the passport application because that passport will be linked
• 1:53:22
  back to that document.
• 1:53:27
  Unknown: Gotcha.
• 1:53:28
  Unknown: And the reason I know that traffic. Is because I've had a couple of students
• 1:53:33
  that already had a passport
• 1:53:36
  that... And they... And it was still active in the ten years, and
• 1:53:41
  they wanted to go ahead and go through this process and get this status changed and get a new passport.
• 1:53:48
  So when you're in that situation,
• 1:53:51
  they say, You gotta send in the one that's active right now.
• 1:53:55
  So you've gotta send them the one that's existing under your old status
• 1:53:59
  along with the application and payment for a new one, and they send the old one right back within a couple of days. And
• 1:54:08
  then in a couple of days later, they send you the new one back,
• 1:54:12
  and you got two.
• 1:54:16
  Unknown: I got
• 1:54:18
  Mhmm.
• 1:54:20
  I've got you.
• 1:54:23
  Unknown: So some of the most important things that we've learned have been from listeners, man. And that site, whoever sent me that, I don't know if you listen anymore or whatever or even with us anymore, but God bless you.
• 1:54:37
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:54:38
  Yes.
• 1:54:41
  Unknown: Because that's an important piece of understanding. What does it go back to?
• 1:54:45
  You gotta always remember when you're looking at any of this, you gotta have the feudal era and the feudal system right there in the forefront of your mind. If you don't know that that's the controlling system that's controlling all this and how it works, you're doing nothing but shadow boxing with these guys.
• 1:55:04
  Unknown: That's all. Absolutely.
• 1:55:07
  That's why you have to go correct. Yep. You have to be solid in,
• 1:55:11
  and you have to be you have to be prepared because
• 1:55:15
  they are not prepared, and they attempt to
• 1:55:18
  they attempt to
• 1:55:21
  show themselves as prepared
• 1:55:22
  by, you know, flagrant, angry, or obnoxious language towards you. And once a person... Whenever you're you're discussing something with someone
• 1:55:32
  and they are not on that level with you, then they become frustrated and and agitated,
• 1:55:37
  Unknown: and they become quite frankly hard talk to. They get... They they they have to resort to the ad hominem attacks to discredit you. Absolutely.
• 1:55:48
  Unknown: Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 1:55:50
  That's... Hence, they come up with... They just hoping
• 1:55:53
  that just... And the word sovereign,
• 1:55:55
  one would just say he's a sovereign. Well, that's like that's like you being declared anathema.
• 1:56:01
  Unknown: Yeah. Like, hell, being a sovereign is about like having leprosy, isn't it?
• 1:56:06
  Don't wanna be one of them. I don't wanna be one of them sovereign. No, sir. I'm not one of those.
• 1:56:12
  Uh-uh.
• 1:56:13
  Don't wanna be one. Right. Throw me in the briar patch. Throw me in the briar patch. Yeah.
• 1:56:21
  Unknown: Yeah. That's it. Rated x. Well,
• 1:56:24
  Unknown: listen. We're towards the end here. Good show today for opening up with nothing really to talk about. I appreciate you calling in, Ike, and your kind words,
• 1:56:32
  and I appreciate you and Patrick more than both of you know,
• 1:56:35
  and Gary, of course, and all of our listeners, and especially the people that we develop relationships
• 1:56:41
  with because that's really the basis of all this. And, Ike, what I'd tell you in closing is what John used to tell us from that from that seminar platform
• 1:56:51
  is this little statement, and I'd suggest you take this to memory. Okay?
• 1:56:56
  The only way that I can protect my liberty
• 1:57:00
  is to help you
• 1:57:02
  protect yours.
• 1:57:05
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:57:06
  I get that. Defend each other.
• 1:57:08
  Unknown: K. Alright. What's that Scottish guy's name you set up that wrote that book earlier? John,
• 1:57:14
  Unknown: it's Locke. I believe it's Locke, l o c k e.
• 1:57:18
  You can see... Probably find a bunch of info on him on the web. Alright. We'll be back tomorrow with Brent. Enjoyed the show today. Thanks for all the good input. I hope everybody got something out of it, and I'll see y'all tomorrow with Brent. And it'll be another Cracker Jack program, I guarantee you ahead of time. So I'll see y'all tomorrow. Thanks for being with us, and have a great day. Okay?
• 1:57:39
  Unknown: Alright. Ciao. Ciao. Alright. You too, Roy.
• 1:58:56
  Unknown: Blasting the Voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 1:59:02
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.