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The absolute STATE of PROPAGANDA | HBR Talk 347 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three forty seven, The
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  Speaker 1: Absolute State of Propaganda. I'm your host, Hannah Wallen here
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  Speaker 1: with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks and the personification of perceptivity
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  Speaker 1: Mike Stevenson. And tonight we're taking a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a break from that stinky rabbit hole we've been in.
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  Speaker 1: As you can see, we are we are looking at
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  Speaker 1: something a little bit different. I'm gonna have to be
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  Speaker 1: moving the window around a little bit though, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: using screenshots, because I noticed as I was researching this
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  Speaker 1: even the descriptions for some things were changing, so I
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  Speaker 1: wanted I wanted to preserve what I saw in the
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  Speaker 1: moment when I was working on this. But before we
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  Speaker 1: get into this, and what we're going to get into
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  Speaker 1: is two different things that are more the same than
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  Speaker 1: they seem like. They're both stories out of the uk UH,
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  Speaker 1: and they're both the effects or at least the intended
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  Speaker 1: effects of propaganda on the general public and how that
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  Speaker 1: pans out in say, public behavior and the behavior of
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  Speaker 1: the legal system, the courts, the legislative system, and so on.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll start though by doing what we got to
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  Speaker 1: do as always and as always Honey Badger Radio dishes
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  Speaker 1: experiences both recent and long past have demonstrated, the provoked
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  Speaker 1: thoughts are fighting back and we just got done provoking
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  Speaker 1: a few thoughts on X right before the show. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: they've made it clear that for people like that, we never.
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  Speaker 2: Get done provoking the thoughts on X. It's a perpetual
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  Speaker 2: mission that we will have until the end of time.
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  Speaker 1: The most current thoughts are the X thoughts, and it's.
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  Speaker 3: A big job and somebody's got to do it, damn it.
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  Speaker 1: There's more than one way to take that too, and
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  Speaker 1: you can have all of them. That's why their thoughts
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  Speaker 1: just saying. But they've made it clear that for people
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  Speaker 1: as well as a link to feed the Badger dot
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  Speaker 1: com in the drop down menu at the top of
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  Speaker 1: the page. And somewhere on x there is a guy
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  Speaker 1: right now arguing with two ladies that don't live anywhere
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  Speaker 1: near me that we are all three the same person
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  Speaker 1: because I commented on a thread oh and a dude
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  Speaker 1: and a dude, he's also the same person.
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  Speaker 2: I have a good authority that your dude.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, I also have been been told this numerous
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  Speaker 1: times by people who are not my obijin who delivered
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  Speaker 1: my baby. So I'm actually the first first dude to
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  Speaker 1: give real childbirth. Oh good grief, it says, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why, but it's saying that it's not able
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  Speaker 1: to connect on It was doing fine on Rumble, like
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  Speaker 1: I gave it the stream key. I gave it the
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  Speaker 1: information something's going on with Rumble. So sorry, Rumble crowd.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently there is no stream, so I'm gonna make a
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  Speaker 1: quick comment.
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  Speaker 2: In the meantime, I guess we'll entertain those of you
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  Speaker 2: who are still on YouTube. This is where I say,
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  Speaker 2: please join us on Rumble. But I guess it's not
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  Speaker 2: the best time to be saying that Rumble has problems
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  Speaker 2: as well. But at least they don't delete half of
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  Speaker 2: the ship you say every time you try and say ship. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I guess they're literally doing that right now. But well,
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  Speaker 2: they're not deleting it.
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  Speaker 1: They just guess it's not right.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's technical difficulties when it comes to Rumble. They're
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  Speaker 2: not deleting the things we say. I think, concentrate. Concentrate
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  Speaker 2: on getting Rumble finished. I'm gonna entertained the people while
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  Speaker 2: you do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I'm genuinely think the problem is actually
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  Speaker 1: with with with Restream and not Rumble. It just is
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  Speaker 1: not liking Rumble today. That's that's screwy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna try.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So the last time something didn't work, I turned
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  Speaker 1: it off and on again and it started working. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try that, turn it off, turn it on?
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  Speaker 1: Is it? Is it working?
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  Speaker 2: Have you tried turning everything off?
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  Speaker 1: And then it'll start a whole new YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: Stream I I'm tech support, hau it's streaming.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's that's that's all I T guys do, right,
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  Speaker 2: they go, Have you tried turning off and on again?
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  Speaker 2: If that the just google the problem.
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  Speaker 1: One of my friends took an i T call from
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  Speaker 1: a lady years ago who was working on something and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, her whole system just shut off,
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  Speaker 1: and uh so, he's he's going through you know, is
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  Speaker 1: this going on? Is that going on? Did you have
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  Speaker 1: this happen? You know? And there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: that could go wrong with a system back in the
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  Speaker 1: day that are a lot less likely today because everything
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  Speaker 1: was slower, less capable of handling heavy loads, you know,
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And finally he got to asking her, well,
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  Speaker 1: did it come unplugged? She couldn't. She couldn't tell. And
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  Speaker 1: he's like, is the plug somewhere out of sight? Can
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  Speaker 1: you move something so you can see it? Is it
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  Speaker 1: possible that it got you know? She's like, welly, I
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  Speaker 1: can't see anything, and and He's like, what do you
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  Speaker 1: mean you can't see anything? And she's like, well, the
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  Speaker 1: power's off. This is this is why I two guys
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  Speaker 1: go bald, okay because they have mail powter bald baldness.
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  Speaker 1: It's because they have to deal with people that don't
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  Speaker 1: understand what they're doing, and then they end up pulling
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  Speaker 1: their hair out in frustration.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they have to travel one hundred miles just to
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  Speaker 2: switch on a server that they were assured by three
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  Speaker 2: different people had not been switched. So, yeah, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's much the same. We're always going to have technical difficulties,
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  Speaker 2: but were slowly ensuring getting better at keeping the thought
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  Speaker 2: down while the technical difficulties happen.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny they get so frustrated though it's not funny haha.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the places where I worked the guys
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  Speaker 1: that programmed the error messages into the system. This is
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  Speaker 1: what it's going to say when XYZ happens. One of
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  Speaker 1: the error messages was a response to something that the
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  Speaker 1: manager should not be trying to make the computer do,
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  Speaker 1: and uh that that ended up being the error message.
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  Speaker 1: A whole bunch of text would go scrolling across the
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  Speaker 1: screen and it would finish up at the very end
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  Speaker 1: with all capital letters. This should never happen. It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was great because like that manager did it six
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  Speaker 1: times while I was there. Yes, you never could figure
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  Speaker 1: out what it was that was causing the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Anyhu, we're back in production, so sure, productions. Let's let's
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  Speaker 2: do the.
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  Speaker 1: Thing I've delayed long enough. We now have seven people,
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  Speaker 1: some people unrubble after I told everybody to leave. Sorry guys,
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  Speaker 1: but there we go.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so let's get into I just got a
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  Speaker 2: comment saying, Hannah, as much quiet as they might get
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  Speaker 2: this often. No, this is this is normal people.
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  Speaker 1: You're literally not showing as soon loud.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna turn down. I think that that
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  Speaker 2: should be better.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't understand how that happens, because everything on
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  Speaker 1: my computer that tells me how loud I am versus
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  Speaker 1: how loud everybody else is tells me I'm louder than
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  Speaker 1: everybody else, and then everybody tells me I'm quieter. I
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  Speaker 1: have my microphone turned all the way up to like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand, So I guess I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to figure out what's going on with that or
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  Speaker 1: Brian has some sound mixer he uses on his shows.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to take the time, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I guess when I get down time again to familiarize
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  Speaker 1: myself with it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you got at least two shy mikes, and I
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  Speaker 2: am one of them. But I can work. I've turned
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  Speaker 2: myself down.
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  Speaker 1: But there you go. You didn't even ask yourself out.
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  Speaker 1: How can you turn yourself down?
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  Speaker 2: Lauren and I are both usually louder than you on this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can yourself. I guess not
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  Speaker 2: because because you're using newfangled Apple technology that doesn't do that.
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  Speaker 2: But it's fine, this will be fine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The crazy thing is I'm like, I'm like practically eating
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  Speaker 1: my microphone too. But it is a gaming headset, so
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  Speaker 1: this might all change. I guess we're getting me a
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  Speaker 1: better headset again, since you know I had just for
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  Speaker 1: the record, I had what does this say on it?
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  Speaker 1: It's Sennheiser, but does it say which one? It does not?
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  Speaker 1: The bit that said which one is no. Oh, it
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  Speaker 1: was a Sennheiser PC eight. So this is this an
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  Speaker 1: older microphone, older headset that I used to have. A right,
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  Speaker 1: that thing lasted ten years that's what I kind of
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  Speaker 1: we're what we're going for, is that that same level
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  Speaker 1: of quality where it'll last a long time like that.
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  Speaker 1: But oh, Mike turned too far down.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So now now we have to ask the question
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  Speaker 1: turned out for one. But all right, So, as you
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  Speaker 1: can see on the screen, I have this image of
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  Speaker 1: the about description from Matriarch Productions, and we are going
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  Speaker 1: to read this. This is the production company for a
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  Speaker 1: thing we're gonna look at. I'm going to move my
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  Speaker 1: little Oh you know what, I haven't actually shared this
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  Speaker 1: with my colleagues, so let me do that really quick.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I had shared my screen already, but I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: There we go, so Mike and Lauren can see this now.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is one of the things I looked
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  Speaker 1: up when I saw that we were now getting static again.
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  Speaker 1: God damn it, when I saw the thing that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about first today, or look at first today.
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  Speaker 1: Matriarch Productions is an entertainment production company founded by actors
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Graham and Hannah Walters, who I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: think I know who Stephen Graham is. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who Hannah Walters is. The company was established in twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: so it's brand new, Like it's still wet behind the ears,
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  Speaker 1: needs of s diapers change and all that, with the
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  Speaker 1: aim of providing a much needed platform for underrepresented voices
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  Speaker 1: and stories in the UK. Yeah, how can they say
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  Speaker 1: that anything is underrepresented?
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  Speaker 3: The TV is basically a vagina with again set of
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  Speaker 3: antenta on top of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. God, now that's our rabbit hole we don't want
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  Speaker 1: to go into.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, especially not in in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So they go on championing diversity and inclusive within
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  Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. The organization produces both film and television projects,
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  Speaker 1: offering opportunities for new and underrepresented talent both in front
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  Speaker 1: of and behind the camera. It sounds all illustrious, right.
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  Speaker 1: What this actually tells you is this is a propaganda company.
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  Speaker 1: This is a feminist run, feminist led organization producing woke
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  Speaker 1: ideology for the public for public consumption. The whole idea
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  Speaker 1: behind it is to make you, hey, make you think
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  Speaker 1: certain things, right, make you think that women are oppressed
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  Speaker 1: and men are the patriarchy and everybody needs to shut
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  Speaker 1: up and listen to women and so on, And it's
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  Speaker 1: it's of course it's like twelve fifty when you know
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  Speaker 1: women are under some form of coverture and and and
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  Speaker 1: the world is a much more dangerous place, right. So
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  Speaker 1: that's that's the first thing we're gonna look at. The
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  Speaker 1: next thing I want to put up is let's see
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  Speaker 1: there we go, all right. So Warp Entertainment Is has
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  Speaker 1: come up with this thing called Adolescence. It's a I
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  Speaker 1: guess a four part series that and from what I've seen,
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  Speaker 1: it just basically it was written to demonize the quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote manosphere. And the reason that we were looking at
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  Speaker 1: Matriarch Productions is there they are right in the middle
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  Speaker 1: here right under Mark Herbert and Emily Feller Matriarch Productions, right.
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  Speaker 1: So the other productions, the companies, the other organizations that
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  Speaker 1: are involved with this don't have that kind of statement
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  Speaker 1: on their pages. In fact, Plan B like it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like it might be related to the birth control thing,
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  Speaker 1: the abortion pill, but it's not. It's an entertainment company
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  Speaker 1: created by Brad Pitt, has nothing to do with any
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  Speaker 1: such initiative. So there's this is there are people involved
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  Speaker 1: in this who are not particularly known as feminists, whose
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  Speaker 1: goals may or may not be on board with feminism
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  Speaker 1: or or even anything woke that may have been roped
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  Speaker 1: into this just because they provide a particular type of
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  Speaker 1: service like film editing or creating the scenery, or script
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  Speaker 1: writing or any of the broad variety of things that
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  Speaker 1: are done in filmmaking. Because there's there's like a gazillion
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  Speaker 1: jobs involved in that. Now, there always were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of jobs involved in that, but it's it's just gotten
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  Speaker 1: bigger the more neat things we can do with with
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  Speaker 1: film to make the viewing experience more immersive and realistic
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  Speaker 1: and fun usually but not this time. Right, So this
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  Speaker 1: is actually a pretty big project for being a four
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  Speaker 1: part series, and it's got all these different Warp films,
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  Speaker 1: Matriarch Productions, One Shoe Films, it's all made up, and
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  Speaker 1: then several names with different organizations. If you look this
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  Speaker 1: up now, a bunch of these have dropped off what
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  Speaker 1: comes up now, But they were there when I initially
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  Speaker 1: looked it up, which is why I took the screenshot,
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  Speaker 1: and then I looked up Plan B Entertainment. Just this
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  Speaker 1: is my evidence that I'm not kidding. This is not
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  Speaker 1: anything to do with the Plan B pill. This is
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  Speaker 1: a film and television production company co founded by Brad Pitt,
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  Speaker 1: now just headed by Brad Pitt, if I remember right,
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  Speaker 1: there was after after the fallout between Brad Pitt and
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston, this other guy, Brad Gray dropped out from
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  Speaker 1: it too, so he's just he's by himself as far
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  Speaker 1: as the original founders. So that's who's behind this. We'll
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  Speaker 1: look at really briefly a description of another project they're doing,
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  Speaker 1: so you understand this isn't a unique thing, right I had.
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  Speaker 1: This is another trailer, but I'm not going to play
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  Speaker 1: the trailer. This is a screenshot from it. So this
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  Speaker 1: is the name of this other project, is called Pop,
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  Speaker 1: and it says set within a forgotten Midlands village, Pop
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  Speaker 1: follows a true tale about gender identity and social expectations.
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  Speaker 1: We follow Jack, who befriends a lawless convict as a
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  Speaker 1: father figure in the hope to understand his masculinity. So,
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  Speaker 1: and this is another Netflix thing, I think as well.
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  Speaker 1: So this just to let you know what we're looking
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  Speaker 1: into here. And now there's two other things to look into.
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  Speaker 1: One of them isn't directly related to this. We'll go
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  Speaker 1: with that one first. Well, no, we'll go with this
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  Speaker 1: one first. This one is more directly related. So Netflix
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  Speaker 1: actually has a diversity and inclusion statement here, building a
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  Speaker 1: legacy of inclusion. Research shows that including more perspectives behind
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  Speaker 1: the camera creates better representation in front of the camera.
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  Speaker 1: This is what they're showing, and we're not gonna watch
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  Speaker 1: their little video about this, but they have a fund
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  Speaker 1: for creative equity. Equity is a Marxist feminist term, right equality.
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  Speaker 2: It's worth pointing out that the what's called in the
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  Speaker 2: industry talent, as in the people who appear in front
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  Speaker 2: of the camera, has always been quite diverse, especially when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to men and women. It's difficult to get
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  Speaker 2: any story about human interaction across that doesn't have men
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  Speaker 2: and women in it. There are obviously some exceptions, but
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  Speaker 2: generally speaking, there are as many women in front of
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  Speaker 2: the camera as there are men, and that always has
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  Speaker 2: been for as long as cameras have been a thing.
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  Speaker 2: But the people behind the cameras have generally been men
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  Speaker 2: for most of the existence of cinema, and not because
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  Speaker 2: women are being pushed out of it more than women
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  Speaker 2: were ever being pushed out of the talent pool. It's
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  Speaker 2: just that well to bring about the old cliche men
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  Speaker 2: are autistic and women and narcissistic. And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: realize that that sounds like a weeping assumption, but to
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  Speaker 2: some degree it's true. Men really like machines, women really
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  Speaker 2: like faces. This can be ascertained from a very early
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  Speaker 2: age that you know, boys will look at clocks and
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  Speaker 2: women will look at faces, and you know, cameras are
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  Speaker 2: just like clocks. Men like, men understand machines better than
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  Speaker 2: women do, and arguably women understand faces better than men do.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, that's sort of sort of debatable, but
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  Speaker 2: to some degree, yeah, they're more focused on faces than
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  Speaker 2: men are. And yeah, they just use this is an excuse,
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  Speaker 2: like like they do for all things, to say that
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  Speaker 2: women aren't getting enough positions in the most in the
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  Speaker 2: most celebrated roles. But no, they have, they always have.
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  Speaker 2: They've they've always been the TA talent And I hate
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  Speaker 2: that word, but that's that's the word the industry uses
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  Speaker 2: for the people in front of the camera, and they're
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  Speaker 2: always the most revered, the most celebrated, the most highly
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  Speaker 2: paid in the entire crew. And evidently evidently that was
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  Speaker 2: never that was never good enough. But still they're not
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  Speaker 2: pushing for women to clean the sewers or to pick
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  Speaker 2: up the garbage. But they really want women to operate
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  Speaker 2: the cameras because you know that doesn't involve hazards any
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  Speaker 2: or anything. It's still involved. Well, women must be really
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  Speaker 2: good with machines. You can't be telling us men are
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  Speaker 2: better with machines than women are. That's misogynists. So we
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  Speaker 2: need to put women in charge of the machines as well. No, no,
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily, Like, why were you not satisfied with women
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  Speaker 2: being at least half of the quote unquote talent is
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  Speaker 2: because you're slowly pushing men out of every job that
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: they prefer except cleaning up the sewers and shit, Well, yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: everyone out of juice. But you get you get what
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and it's interesting in a way, men are
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: better machines than women, and unfortunately women have decided to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: be the buttons and the lovers and then you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the switches and so on. And what that has resulted
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: in is a circumstance where women cry and men do.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And that's what's going on with this fund so so
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: equity is a feminist way of avoiding the idea of
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: equality when the idea of equality doesn't provide an advantage
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: for women through feminism. So, for instance, equality is Jack
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and Jill go both apply for a job, the employer
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't base their hiring practices on the sex of the individual.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: They base their hiring practices on things like education, skill,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: job history, age, you know, all the things that may contribute.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And they have to be careful with age too, because
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: they can't just not hire somebody because they're older young.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: But say, if you're underage, then they have to be
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: careful at least in some areas. If you're underage, there
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: are things your employer is not allowed to make you do,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: like work without a lunch break so you know, or
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: certain jobs that they're not allowed to hire you for
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: because they might be too dangerous for an underage kid. Right,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So they'll base it on things like that. But under equity,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Jill can argue that because her ancestors, her female ancestors,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: didn't get a fair shake, that means Jack shouldn't get
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a fair shake and she should be getting preferential treatment
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: in hiring so that she can have this job. That's
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: equity in a nutshell, and feminist will try to tell
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: you that it's not. They'll try to tell you that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Jill has disadvantages that trace back to that past discrimination
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: that they're claiming, even though that past discrimination wasn't discrimination,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it was a social contract. But yeah, so that's that's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: what equity actually about. So the Netflix Fund for Creative
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Equity is a dedicated effort to build new pathways for
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: underrepresented communities within entertainment. Through the fund net, Netflix will
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: support external organizations committed to creating more equitable environment in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the film and TV industries or the TV and film industries,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: as well as bespoke Netflix programs that help us to identify, train,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and provide potential job opportunities for up and coming talent globally. So,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: in other words, this program is funding woke programming and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: woke hiring practices all over the world wherever Netflix has
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: studios or offices where they take take in work that's
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: done at independent studios, what have you, And you know
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: this this company does. They show different things in the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: UK then they show in the US. For instance, there
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: are things that may be available free in the UK
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: or available for paying for Netflix in the UK, that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you can't get in the US unless you use a
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: VPN that says you're in the UK, but uh, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: they do the same thing with different countries in Europe,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: so it's not just because it's across the pond. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: they have several programs here, so we're not just talking
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: about one fund that people just all get grants from.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: They have there's an Amplifier Fellowship, there's UH they're shipping
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: this out to South Korean filmmakers there. They've got an
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Accelerate Fellowship to support more disabled film and TV writers
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: in their projects specifically. So now if you're if you
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: have a disability and you present something to Netflix, you
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: don't know if they picked it because it's good or
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: if they picked it because you're disabled. Like if I'm
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: created a film and I let them know that I'm autistic,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I would never know then was this was this actually good?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Or did they just pick it because I'm autistic? Were
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: they feeling sorry for me? Like I would hate that,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: especially I am a writer. I don't do a lot
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: with fiction, but I would be really upset if I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: thought the only reason that somebody wanted me around and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: somebody wanted me to work for them was so that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: they could say, look, we ticked off this box, we
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: got our autist, like, fuck you, I'm leaving.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: By the way, I've never needed a VPN in order
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to in order to view these shows that I am
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: not allowed to view on Netflix because I'm in the
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: wrong country, because I know where to look.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: That's another option.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I don't even need to go to the dark web,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: all the deep Web for this is there's stuff on
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the normal web. Why you can catch any show you
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: like as long as you know where to look my flixer. Yeah,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't say any of this.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I mean that I don't need to because it's not
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: illegal to view these things. It's only illegal to to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: air these things, and only in certain countries. So you
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: just find certain websites that are allowed to post these
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: things in in whatever country in which they're hosting these things.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: That's how autistic I am. I don't. I don't. I
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: don't need a fucking VP and I just know how
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: to look things up. It's surprisingly easy. If you like
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: a show, just just go on to well Tech ideally
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: dot dot go and type the name of the show
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and the episode you want to watch, and then stream
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: free online. You have a lot of links to go
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: through before you find one that actually works. Just go
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: to my flixer. It's I didn't say that. I didn't
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: say any of this, but you can correct I can
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: do you can you can do all of that. That's
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: how I'm catching up on on severns. There SUSAN finale
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: is coming up on Friday. It's exciting.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited for that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I wouldn't know anything about that because I
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: wouldn't do any of that ever. But yeah, it's.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: There we go. So the reason we're not going through
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: every single one of these is if you look down here,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you see all these little dots. Each one is another
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: four of these, So that tells you how big this
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: program is. And they have all of this funding coming
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: from you know, these these different groups. Now I haven't
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: gone through and looked at all the different groups, right,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: but that's that's probably I I will bet that that's
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: going to grow. I have not found any connection, by
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the way, between this and the U. S a I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: D System, which we we also call us AIDS. You can,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you can, by the way, test whether or not your
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: nation has been infected with us AIDS. UH if you
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: if you have an epidemic of feminist propaganda and UH,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: your your children are being targeted for genital mutilation. You
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: can you can pretty much be certain that your your
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: country has been infected with US AIDS. And at this
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: point right now, the only cure is populism. But if
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you can't do that, you can vicariously support populism in
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the US. Maybe if we kill it's like vampires, you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: if you kill the head vampire, if we kill the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: source of the US AIDS, it might reduce the rate
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of infection all over the world, possibly down to zero.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So there you go. In the meantime, so there's the legacy.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Here's where what they're doing in France. This came up
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: in his search. This is not to do with specifically
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: with the show we're gonna look at. But oh, that's
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the wrong thing. I thought I had the thing up
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of what they're doing in France, but maybe I closed
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: it because it was France and we are talking about
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: something happening in the UK. So they have a whole
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: program in France that is female specific. It looks like
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I decided that was not as relevant as it looked.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: So this is everything you know about this this drama.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: We are going to watch the trailer after we read this,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to go through all of this before
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: we look at the trailer. Have this in the background, right,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: dang it, stop, my mouse is behaving badly. It's got
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: hand to virus.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Oh god, it was bad.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Now you all have Hanna virus. It's very punishing illness.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: So the drama Adolescence, what would you do if your
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: teenage son was accused of murder? It's one of several
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: questions at the heart of the new crime drama Adolescence.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Right this makes it sound like an innocent show. Oh,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: your teenage son is accused of murder. This is a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: show about due process right right streaming now. Adolescence is
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: a four part limited series starving starring Stephen Graham, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it lists some of his work and each episode is
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: filmed in one unflinching and continuous shot, which they're not
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the first people to do the whole continuous shot thing.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: That's like, it's not impressive anymore. And so I don't
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: know why it's done so much, But okay.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Is that is that? Is that the name of the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: thirteen year old kid who's who's playing a part of
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the that that black kid who killed that.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I just can't say it.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I just here you go. Let's see, we'll find a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: picture of him. Okay, No, this like I've seen him before.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I I knew, I know who this guy is. But
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: he's not the kid I believe in this. He's playing
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the dead.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he thinks he's found his big break, but
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I get the feeling he's not going to get much
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: work after this, and he's going to be subjected to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: all the nutters who's who see a character on screen
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and think is real and they're gonna take out all
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of their revenge on on on that person. They're going
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: to go, oh, you're that kid who killed that girl. No,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I didn't I didn't even kill that girl.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I'm just a rest swapped version of that kid who
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: actually did kill that girl. Please don't fucking take out
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: on me. This is the wrong accent. There's lots of
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: different northern accents. And yeah, he's he's not. Not only
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: is he never going to find work again, he's going
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: to have to go into hiding and he's going to
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: be subjected to all the to the usual symptoms that
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: child actors go through. He's going to be a fucking
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: drug addict for the rest of his life.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I hope not.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: And yeah, the Netflix are Netflix aren't going to care
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: They won't take responsibility, that's for sure.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: British, the fucking the fucking British government that is out
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: here in the House Houses of Commons say oh, everyone
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: should watch this series. You should all subject your children
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: to this series.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: So there they've done that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: You learn everything.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Mike, you're still there. Oh okay, I thought I lost
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: your soulence, but they've done a very so So. Yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: they've done a very sneaky trick here. And I've been
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: watching this on X. Everybody thinks this is about whitewashing
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: knife crime, all right. Everybody thinks this is about making
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: something that immigrants did into something that uh, British kids did, right,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But there's there's an another undercurrent here that isn't quite
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: so under and you'll see it when you see it,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: like the the meme goes, you will ship bricks. All right,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: there's a reason why I'm doing this on a men's
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: issue show. So it starts out talking about how cleverly
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: they unfolded it in real time. Main characters from central
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: family to the detectives investigating the crime search for answers
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: in the wake of a shocking tragedy, Who is actually responsible?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Why did it happen? Could it have been prevented? And
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: then we're gonna skip through all the bullshit there and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: there we go. So here's the part that struck me.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: One of our aims is to ask what is happening
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: to our young men these days? And what are the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: pressures they face from their peers, from the internet, from
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: social media, Graham told Netflix, and the pressures that come
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: from all of those things are as difficult for kids
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: as they are the world over. Check out some photos
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: from the psychological drama below and to find out more
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: about the series. And then it goes on and there's
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: pictures and crap. But here's the thing, right, you go
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: back up to this this statement, what is happening to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: our young men these days? This is not about color,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: This is not about race, this is not about nationality.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: This is about demonizing boys mm hmm. And it's about
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: demonizing It's about demonizing the so called manisphere, the communication.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: It's about demonizing boys, boys and the Internet, because these
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: are the two things that the British government is allowed
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to hate. Well, it's not they're.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: They're just fine with the finish boys on the internet.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: It's demonizing advocacy for boys, and it's demonizing advocacy or
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: discussion that in any way, shape or form legitimizes boy's
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: sense of humanity and legitimizes boys objections to being mistreated,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: treated as less than human, demonized, treated as bad guys,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: treated as defective girls, and so on. Right, this was
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: not made to be about emmigration. It wasn't made to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: be about race. It wasn't made to be about knife crime.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: It was made to be anti masculinity, it was made
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to be anti men's human rights. It was made to
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: dehumanize boys.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people will be out there saying, no,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: it's it's only about demonizing white boys on the internet. No.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I mean they're taking the things that non British boys
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: do in real life and they're extending it to blaming
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: it on anything men and boys do on the internet.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: And and they're not explicitly making any distinction, like black
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: boys are going to face the same problem, Arab boys
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: are going to say the multitude of races of boys
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: in the UK are all going to face the same problem,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: because because that that's what the that's what the government
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: is trying to crack down on, all boys, all men
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: of any kind. I mean, they're going to they're going
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to use they're going to use their propaganda to specifically
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: portray white boys. But that's not going to be a distinction.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: When it comes to whatever laws they enact, all males
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: are going to face these consequences I mean is I mean, yeah,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: it's probably going to get mostly enforced on. I don't
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: want to say white boys because I I don't improve
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I don't approve of this this reductive literally black and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: white identity politics. It's it's not black, it's not that
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: black and white. It's about Native. The more Native you are,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the more you're you're going to get punished. Like if
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: if you're black and you sound British, you're gonna you're
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: gonna get punished more than black people who don't sound
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: British or the Arab kids who don't sound British or whatever.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: It's no matter what happens, they're going to keep pointing
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the finger at Native men and and and Native boys
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: and anyone who even resembles Native boys. It doesn't matter
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: what color you are. If if you are representing or
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: defending Native boys. You're under the crosshairs. It's that's that's
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: what it comes down to. And it's and it's and
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: it's mostly anything male or anything that skill in Like, yes,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: obviously there is a racial element to this, but it's
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: secondary to just the masculine element. Always has been, always
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: will be.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: They came out and admitted this right in their description
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: here too. It says, you know what in what is
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: adolescents about?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: That?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It tells the story of how a family's world is
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: turned upside down when thirteen year old is arrested for
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the murder of a teenage girl who goes to a school.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: And then they say, we could have made a drama
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: about gangs and knife crime, or about a kid whose
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: mother is an alcoholic or whose father is a violent abuser,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: says Graham. Instead, we wanted you to look at this
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: family and think, why God, this could be happening to us.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: They want you to think this is something that normal
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: boys from healthy families will fall into if they if
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: they are allowed to have conversations online about how they
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: are treated by SOSIDT. That's what's happening here is an
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: ordinary family's worst nightmare, right there ordinary family, so this
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: is not targeted toward dads right For the most part,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: this is targeted toward moms. This kind of fear mongering
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: is targeted to make moms look at their sons and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: see potential monsters that could pop out at any moment
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: for no reason, just because they talk to other boys
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: online about how rotten it is when people call them
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: names for being boys, or how rotten it is when
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: they're graded more harshly for doing the same work in
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the same classroom as girls, or when they're punished for
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: things that girls are allowed to get away with, or
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: when girls are allowed to hit them and taunt them
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: ha ha, I can hit you and you can't hit
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: me back because I'm a girl and you're a boy.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: When they get upset about those things, they won't have
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: anybody to talk to, because if they bring it up
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and their mothers hear it and they've watched this trailer
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: or this show, their first thought is going to be, oh,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: my god, my son's gonna become that boy that stabbed
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a girl at that TV show. Because women are often
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: stupid about stuff like this, rather than questioning it and
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: going I've raised this child from an infant. I've watched
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: him not do these kind of things, not respond to
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: things this way. If he's upset about something, it's probably
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: legitimate and we should talk about it. But instead, what
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: this is aimed at is fear mongering, hitting that lizard
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: brain in the back of a woman's head that says,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: if this looks scary, I have to attack it, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I have to get everyone around me to attack it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I've got to raise a threat narrative. Threat narratives always
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: work with women, and I've got to get the men
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: around me to make it behave. And they even make
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: this kid look maniacal like that's this is a perfectly
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: innocent looking kid too, just an adorable little boy, and
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: they deliberately have him doing expressions and looking from angles
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: and shadowed and hidden and framed in the picture by
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the man's face. I think that's the father we did
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: aranging about that guilty look a.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Few years ago. It's it's still available. I think it's
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: one of the few that I think Alison forgot to delete.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It's called the Onion Conundrum. Look it up if you
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: want to. I forget which which corporation it was that
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: advertised their products along the lines of demonizing prepubescent boy
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: is for the sake of advertising their product. It's it's
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: been going off for a hell of a long time. Like,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: never mind demonizing men, it's they for a long ass time,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: they've been demonizing young boys who haven't even you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: reached puberty because because it's it's important that we make
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: adult women scared of male children. Yeah, and it's words
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Can I express how do you know? I say? Words?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Can I express it? But it's evil, it's it's it's
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: it's it's evil. If you're going to demonize children for
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the sake of scare mongering adults, I mean, you don't
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: get much more evil than that. It's it's it's evil,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: and it's.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: It's I mean, just fucking repulsive. Because if if you know,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: if if you want to have this kind of company
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: that you know, they want to include, they want to
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: be inclusive and highlight, you know, the type of characters
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: that you don't see, why why couldn't you can what
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: happened to the Duluthe model? Right, Like stay in that lane.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: If that's what you want to do, just just cater
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: to women, just talk about women.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Just do that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Get every color of women you can find like the
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: fucking rainbow and focus on that. But no, instead, what
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: are we doing demonizing young male children. It's disgusting.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is kind of deluthe model though
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: in and of itself, like they they treat boys as
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: abusers in waiting and the dumb thing is like in
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: circumstances where a child boy or girl goes the route
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of say like the bad seed or the good son,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: you know, like in those types of movies where you
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: have this child who is actually highly disturbed and does
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: sociopathic things. In real life, that usually follows some sort
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: of history where either there was a birth injury to
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the brain, or there was some sort of abuse, or
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: there is a family history of the specific type of
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: mental illness that has you know, unfortunately landed on the child.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: There's it doesn't come out of nowhere. And then when
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: you get to a situation where a child gets to
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: elementary school age and that kind of behavior is not addressed,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: like the kid hasn't gotten any help. Uh, that's that's
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: usually because the parents have ignored signs along the way.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: And I've I've per personally been affected by this. When
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I was in school, there was a kid in my
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: class who had serious problems and he was suffering. It
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't like he was engaging in a lot of behavioral issues,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: but he personally himself was suffering, and all of our
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: teachers tried to help him. All of our teachers talked
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to his mom. And because of the stigma around certain
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: types of mental health conditions, and also because it's unusual
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: for a young child to get diagnosed as opposed to
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: they don't figure it out until and the individual is
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: in his adolescence or her adolescence, this kid went undiagnosed
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: for years, had difficulty learning to read, couldn't control himself
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: in class, had some really strange moments where his behavior
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: indicated that his perception of reality was not the same
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: as everybody else's. And it wasn't until we were in
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: the summer between junior high and high school that he
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: got the help that he needed. So he went through
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: years of just getting into trouble all the time and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: not being able to make a lot of good close
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: friendships because other kids were afraid of him, or annoyed
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: by him, or just didn't want to get in trouble
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: that he was getting into, you know, So they wanted
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: to avoid being caught up in whatever trouble he was
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: getting into, and it really didn't need to happen. And
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: this kind of demonization where it's treated like this family,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: he is perfectly normal, and this comes out of nowhere,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: and this kid is explosively wrong in some way or
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: another without any kind of warning or any kind of
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: his parents don't have any clues. That doesn't help. It
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: creates a circumstance where you know, you go back through
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: this this topic right of this this uh, this portrayal,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: and the discussion is going to revolve around, well, what
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: could the parents have done, what signs did they miss,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: what should they have seen? What should they have stopped
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: their son from doing? And of course obviously it was
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: socialization with other boys online. He should have been supervised online. Well, yes,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: he should be supervised online. Know that means he can't
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: have conversations about men's human rights, uh and so on.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: But what's gonna end up happening is parents like the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: parent of my classmate, are going to have that fear
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: instilled in them if I admit there's something happening with
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: my child that is not in line with what's happening
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: with all the other children. I'm admitting there's something wrong
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: with my child, and therefore there's something wrong with my
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: parenting that doesn't help the child get any kind of
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: assistance in changing the trajectory of his development. That ends
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: up hurting instead. And what we got, Yeah, the Gabriel
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: phil and Lucas pointed out this was a story we
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: reported in a few years ago too. They're encouraging parents
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: in the UK to report their sons if they have
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: any misogynistic tendencies, to report their sons to the school
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: for program assistance. Right, So this is this is actually
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: a very serious issue. And before I go on though,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I've got to point out some of the we do
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: have some superchats and one of them was in the moment.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Oh actually this was from quite a while ago, but
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: that one was from right after the start show. So
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I am helping. Gave us five dollars and said, here's
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: some money to help fight the deep state swamp monster
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: hoardes funded by the AIDS Disease of the US. It's like,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: that's very important, We've got to fund us AIDS recure research. Right,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Meredith g gave us five dollars and said, HBr talked
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: three forty seven honey for the Badgers, and then zero
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: inks we have a I believe I can't tell what
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that is because it's not coming through rumble, but it
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't show as a superchat and it doesn't show a
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: monetary amount, but it's highlighted member for six oh. I see,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: so it's a subscription. I disagree race's secondary. I think
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it's a poisoned arrowhead to keep division stoked, keep men down,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: and heightened concern about boys. Remember T G T O W.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: So it's secondary, but it's not secondary tiktoe?
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: What is?
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: That? Was something going their own way? T must stand
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: for something. But race is just a way to cover
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: for the gender hate. Right, Race is just a way
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: to cover that they're targeting men.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: You must know by now that feminists have taken over
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: the education system since sixty years ago. That long. That
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: was long before it was extended to anything racial based.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Like maybe the racial thing has gone further than the
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: sex thing ever? Did? I don't think it has. But
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: it's undeniable that the that the sex thing came first,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: and I'm trying to call it sex instead of gender. Yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's difficult to do that because sex is
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: an ambiguous word in gender is less Like I'm still like,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I don't want to call it gender because they'll say, well,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: gender is different from sex. Well, i'm talking about sex,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about males. It's it's been several lifetimes since
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: further education institutions have been flooded with this idea that
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: men are the problem. Men are all of the problems,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: men are the center of the problem. And it was
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: only long since after that that that these feminists started saying, oh,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: it's by the way, it's specifically white males that are
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: the problem. And I'm not going to sit around and
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: pretend that that this racial divide is a bigger problem
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: than the gender divide. Sex divide. Keep reminding myself not
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: to use the.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: We're not appliances, and we're not building materials, and we're
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: not computer parts, so we don't have gender. We have sex.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: We're not to forget words have gender.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Try try try not to forget that. The uh, well,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going to call socialism slash communism has been slow
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: marching their way through the institutions, and the first element
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: of our institutions that they conquered was the sex divide.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Long before they ever got into the racial divide. Yeah,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: so you may say that the racial divide is stronger
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: at this point, but the sexual divide came first. That
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: was that was, that was the seed from which the
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: creeping ivy grew. So if you if you want to
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: solve this problem, then if if all you're going to
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: do is attack the racial divide, then all you're doing
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: is attacking the leaves when you really want to be
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: attacking the seeds. The seeds have been here for at
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: least half a century, arguably a century, arguably two centuries. Like,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: and if all you do is solve the racial problems,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: then we're still going to have the sexual problems that
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: were sowed by feminists a century ago on average, Like,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: the racial problems are a result of the sexual problems
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: that we put a bunch of fucking feminists in charge
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: and they eventually decided that it's not just males who
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: are the problem, it's white males. And they've been instilling
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: this this ideology into our system for a very fucking
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: long time. And you know, the the racial division has
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: only been pinned, pinned on top of the sexual division.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Like this is what this is why we have these
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: likecophobic problems because of these feminist problems. And I don't
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: know how I how how I pushed this into you
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: any further than by saying what had just said. But
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: for fox sake, how is it not obvious to our
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: general audience men, that feminists took over our society and
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: they decided that our native men are the biggest problem.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're telling you this as explicitly as they can,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: that straight white males are the problem. Like it's it's
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: them who instilled in us the idea that straight white,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: straight white men are the problem. And it started with
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: men are the problem, and then it became straight white men,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: and then it became white men, and then it became
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: straight white men, Like, recognize that, or you're never going
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: to be able to fix this problem. The idea that
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: they started focusing on white men, let alone straight white men,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: is only the secondary and tertiary progressions that I say
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: of of this of this ideology. It started with men
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: of the problem, then it became white men out of
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: the problem, Like, please recognize this, so you're never going
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: to be able to fix it, or you're or you're
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: just slashing at the leaves, fucking uproot the seeds or
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: this is going to keep happening.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, there are two elements to consider here,
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: all right, Now, Yes, there are gang crimes happening, and
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: yes they're more.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Involving knives than other weapons, partly because the gang members
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: don't have easy access to other weapons. But uh, you know,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: partly because the gang members and questions are a bit
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: backward in their in their methods as well.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: What's interesting here is there's a completely different response when
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: the knife crime is female perpetrated. Right, Remember that chick
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: that stabbed her partner with a bread knife and got
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: off because or almost got off because she could be
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: a doctor and has a brilliant mind and shit, can't
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: even name.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I don't remember her name either, but yeah I remember
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: her face.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna look at another story like this, but that,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: but we're gonna finish with this first. So this is
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: this is an interesting bit as well.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Jamie's story specifically isn't based on a real person or event.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: The idea for the series did spring from reports that
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: co creator Graham had heard about on the news of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: young boys being involved in knife crimes. So let's just
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: isolate that, right, so now it's in Bluet's isolated for
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the rest of the paragraph, since they're isolating the idea
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: of knife crimes. MI understanding from reading these news stories
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: from Afar from across the Pond is that they all
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: seem to involve a conflict between two different cultures, disparate cultures,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: diverse cultures from each other, right, that maybe don't have
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of compatibility with each other, and the criminal
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: activity is somewhat a result of conflict between cultural ideals
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and cultural beliefs and interests in individual interests, rather than
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: being so much a thing of boys doing this because
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: they are boys and targeting girls because they feel girls
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: have usurped something in their lives or done something to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: them for being boys, which is what this series is
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: made to imply about the knife crime, that this is
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: a misogynoust stick reaction to girls advancement and boys feeling
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: left behind or mistreated. Right, in which case it's a
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: lie if it's based on criminal activity that is existing.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: But they've changed all of the details. So the boys
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: aren't coming from the type of family that the boy
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: in the story comes from. The boy in the story
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't have anything in common other than sex, the fact
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: that he is male. With the perpetrators of the real
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: life events, the causes behind the crime in the series
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: have nothing to do, no relation whatsoever to the causes
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: behind the real life crimes. That is called a lie.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: We're basing this on means we took details from that
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: and then applied them to fictional characters. But if they've
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: changed all the details so that they resemble nothing of
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: the original events, then they didn't take the details from
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: the original events other than the concept of knife crime
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: in general. Right, And it goes on. There was an
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: incident where a young boy allegedly stabbed a girl. Graham
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: tells to them. It shocked me. I was thinking, what's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: going on? What's happening in society where a boy stabs
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: a girl to death? What's the inciting incident here? Then
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: it happened again, and it happened again, and it happened again.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I really just wanted to shine a light on it
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: and ask what is happening today, what's going on? How
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: have we come to this again? That's a lie. I'm
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: going to call that out as a bald face lie
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: because he's not examining the perpetrators of those crimes. He's
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: not examining what occurred as predicating incidents. He's not examining
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: the mentality that went into perpetrating those crimes. He hasn't
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: interviewed the people involved, He hasn't gone forward and talked
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: to the families of the victims. All he has done
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: is take it and you're like, oh, these boys stabbed girls.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Let's apply this to this story, and we're going to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: make up our own set of reasons, and then we're
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: going to pretend that it's the same thing. Thorn ads
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: that as the process went on, he Graham and barantein
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: he grew fascinated with the question or by the question
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: of male rage and started thinking about themselves as men, fathers,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: partners and friends. So there is the crux. Men are
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: not allowed to object if you have reject that's male
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: rage and you might stab a little girl. That's the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: message that they're trying to convey here. So if you discuss, say,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: father's rights issues, right, father's being discriminated again against in
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: custody court. If you discuss the impact of fatherlessness on
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: the upbringing of boys, where boys are growing up in
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: man deserts and then they grow up and they don't
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: know how to be adult men. They only know how
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: to be little boys in crisis circumstances their whole lives.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: If you object to that, and you say let's not
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: take all the men out of these boys' lives, you
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: are engaging in male rage, and you're a threat. That's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: what this is intending to portray. If you suggest that
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: it is not okay for women to abuse men and
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: get away with it. If you suggest that men who
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: get boiling water port on them when they're sleeping, or
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: get battered by women who are larger than they are,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: or get stabbed or shot by women, or hit with
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: frying pans, or lied about to the public, that they
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: should have some sort of recourse, that they should have
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: a way out of that situation and a way to
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: prosecute their perpetrator, you're objecting, right. Therefore, you have male rage,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: and you're a threat to little girls. That's the message here, right,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: And it's not subtle. It's blatant and open and the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: entire goal of this series. Wrong. Mouse, Sorry, I got
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: two computers on this desk. I don't care about filmed
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: in one and I don't care about the drone. I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: think that's the whole thing that I was going to read.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: So now let's look at this trailer. So the trailer's
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: two minutes and twenty seven second slong. We're gonna have
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: to pause it periodically. I am going to also slow
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: it down slightly, see if I can. Here we go.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I don't want it to be too slow because it
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: gets distorted, but I want us to get a chance
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: to stop and talk about stuff when it comes up.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: So here we go, and it's already malfunctioning. Fuck you YouTube.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Looking, though.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: You're making a mistakes that.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: I haven't done anything.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: He's a good kay, then, Jamie.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: So we're at twenty seconds here, and all we see
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: in the beginning is like the swat team showing up
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: at this house. So I don't know how this works
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: in the UK, but I know how it works in
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Date in Ohio. I have an unfortunate familiarity with how
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: it works in Date in Ohio. When a man is
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: deemed dangerous or a boy is deemed dangerous in Ohio,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: they do not send a swat team. Right A couple
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: of guys come and knock on the door, or a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: man and a woman. Some of our local police officers
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: are female and UH they expect you to answer. If
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: you don't answer, then they'll come back with a warrant
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: and break in. But they don't bust into your house
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: like that, knock down your door unless you don't answer
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: the first time they show up and then.
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  Speaker 2: Warrant Yep, a warrant.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Then then they only get a warrant if they if
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: they can prove there's validness to the allegation. Validity to
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: the allegation.
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  Speaker 2: No in the In the UK, you just need to
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: post the letter N and they and they will and
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: they will batter down your door just in case you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: are encouraging someone else to post the letter I. That's
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: pretty much how it works.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so the UK is completely batshit crazy. It's
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: it's weird to see how swatting works in different countries
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: because you have to you have to suggest. In the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: US to get somebody swatted, you have to suggest.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Citizens citizens need. In the US, a citizen needs to
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: prompt the police to uh to break down your door.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: In the UK, the police do not need a prompt.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: They just need to decide for themselves that you need
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: to go to jail because you may or may not
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: have said something that the govern doesn't let you say,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: and it's almost always a criticism of the government.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Yeah, here's why I.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Want to get the fuck out of this country as
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: soon as possible and come to your country here.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: It's really if if something happened, even if I was
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: accused of murder like then the cops might come in.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: They'll still pound on the door, and then if I
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: don't answer it, if they have a warrant, they might
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: kick it in. But there's not gonna be thirty of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: them unless there's some sort of Also, she has you know,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: sixty seven bazukahs innerbate why I don't have a basement,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: but it's sixty seven Bazuoka's in the closet. And they
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: believe that shit. You have to scare the shit out
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: of them before they will do that. They have to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: think that somebody is trapped in the apartment and going
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: to get killed if they don't bust in, or that
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: somebody inside the apartment is about to do something dash
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: and has a bunch of weapons or something like that. Right,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: and then there's Canada. They got swatted in Canada. I
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: think most of the people that were with us didn't
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: even know that it happened, because the cops never got
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: out of the van. One officer came to talk to us,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: but they sent a swat van, and only a couple
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: of us noticed that behind the officer who was having
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: a polite conversation with the leaders of our group in
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: a public park meeting in a public park, was a
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: swat team in a van, waiting to converge on us
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: if there was any actual violence, which there wasn't and
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: there had been no actual valid reason for calling them.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: But in Canadian Land, they actually find out what's going
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: on before they go busting in anywhere. The big thing
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: that happens in the United States with swating that's really
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: bad is if they got the building down the street
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: confused for my building, they might swat my neighbors. And
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: if they accidentally bust everything in the neighbor's apartment, destroy
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: the door, trample everybody's car, kill their pets, you know,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: put their son in a hospital, they have no liability
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: for that because of qualified immunity, which happens to be
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: something that Ohio is trying to get rid of. There's
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: they're very good. There are very good reasons to get
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: rid of qualified immunity, and it needs to be replaced
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: with something much more sensible, where if you file a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: lawsuit and it's deemed frivolous because actually the cops did
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong and you were in the wrong that you know,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: there should be some sort of penalty for that. But
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be able to get away with doing something wrong,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: you know, like period, even if even if it's a mistake,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: because what they do has major impact on people's lives.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: So what we just watched, there's it's from the standpoint
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: of an American, I'm like, did somebody call the cops
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: and say this kid was hold up in the house
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: with fifty guns or something? Because I that's confusing to me.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: But Mike, you from from what you've said, it sounds
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: like this is this has done a drop.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Someone just needs to call the police. Someone just needs
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: to call the police and say this person suggested that
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Islam should not take over the UK. Okay, you're going
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: to jail. You're going to jail. Well, it doesn't. You
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: don't have to be accused of having fifty guns in
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: your house and threatening your entire family with murder. No,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: you just need you just need to say I wish
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: the government wouldn't invite a million Muslims to the country
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: every day, and that's enough. You just need to say
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: that on the internet and the police will come around
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: to your house. And if one of your kids says
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: you look like my lesbian nan, you're all going to jail.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Jesus. And of course they don't seem yeah, presumably.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, I want you to listen carefully. I'm going to
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: start off with asking you do.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: You know a girl called Katie Lennard.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I want to music in the background. Like everything that
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: they've had that they've shown up here, it's intended to
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: dramatize and uh, the music, the way the bass and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: the clapping is played, that's intended to causing adrenaline rush
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: in you. So you're supposed to have an emotional response
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: to this. If we were to find a way to
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: take the music out of this and just play this
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: without the music backing it, it would completely change the tone.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: So far.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go back five seconds. But but Mike,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: what were you going to say?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, You'll think you have freedom
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: of speech in the United States, but the existence of
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: swatting is does present itself as something of a workaround, right.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you say something that some leftist doesn't like,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: then that that leftist can just anonymously call the police
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: on you and yeah, commit commit attempted murder and they'll
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: get away with it. That's that's how it starts. Well,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: it usually starts with taking away your guns. You see
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: how this is a workaround.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: If you.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Even if you have fifty guns in your house, if
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: some leftist fucking swats you, then good luck with the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: with the standoff against the swat team.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, well, the whole thing may be changing because there's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: there may be some laws getting created to address this
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: because it's been a problem for a long time. It
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: actually predates right wingers being targeted. It was a rare thing,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: but there have been numerous instances where gamers have been targeted,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: so it's not And then drug dealers will do this
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: to each other too, so it's it's not new. And
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: there are already process crimes filing a false complaint with police,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: lying to police during an investigation.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And and then of course you know if if the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: law enforcement officials, the police or prosecutor go in and
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: they go to get because you they do need a
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: judge's order, a warrant to to uh execute in order
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: to show up like that if they lie to get
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: an emergency order, Oh yes, we have evidence. Besides, you know,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: somebody called us and said this, and they and then
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: they show up and and they do damage. There's there's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: some recourse that can be had against them. You just
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: can't sue them to make them replace your limon pound
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: cake in your front door. But uh yeah, in any
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: case with regard to the practice of swatting in the
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: United States, it may be because it's becoming harder and
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: harder to make phone calls anonymously where your identity cannot
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: be ascertained by authorities or by your phone company. It's
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: it's they're they're seeking to make it so that if
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: you get caught, it's like it's as serious as making
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: a bomb threat, which you can go to jail for that.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: You can go to jail for calling in a fire
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: that doesn't exist, right if if they can prove that
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: you knew there was no fire, and uh, you know,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: they're they're looking at trying to apply penalties to calling
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: in a threatening situation that doesn't exist. That results in
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: somebody getting swatted, especially if they can they can prove
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: that that was your intention. And if you do the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: traditional calling up and saying this person is has been
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: kidnapped in their own home and they're they're under immediate
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: threat to their lives, and if the cops don't show
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: up right now and get them rescued, they're gonna they're
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: all gonna die.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: That's that's pretty much how that ends up happening, how
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: that it gets done.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: The very least you could do is first be able
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: to triangulate where the call came from, and first confirm
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: where the call came from. And once you've done that,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: maybe you could proceed with the swatting, and if it
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: turns out it was a hoax, then you go after
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: whoever the fuck it was who made.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: The call exactly.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: That's the least you should be able to do. The
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: fact that that doesn't happen is, I mean, absolutely scandalous
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: subversion of the First Amendment.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Well, the First Amendment doesn't protect you from like if
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: I say something to my neighbor and my neighbor gets
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: mad and engages in any kind of behavior because I
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: said that thing, right, that's not a First Amendment issue.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: A First Amendment issue would be if I said something
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: and I got arrested for saying that what I said, right,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't I'm going to kill person X, you know,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: or I'm going to set this building on fire, and
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: it was a believable threat. Like if I do that,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: I can get arrested for that, because that's that's threatening violence.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: But if I start saying, you know, Jojoe, I think
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden was an absolute child molester when Joe Biden's president,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I can't get arrested for that. If I say Joe
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Biden's policies are all terrible and anybody that voted for
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden is a dumbass and probably probably belongs in
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: an institution. Right, if I could see the rudest shit
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: about Joe Biden's virus or Trump's Donald Trump's in office
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: right now, people can say the rudest shit about people
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: who voted for Donald Trump, about Trump's policies. They can
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: call him a rapist, they can call them a convicted criminal.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: We can't get arrested for that, our neighbors, but no.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: One else can hear you saying, can hear you saying that,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: and then they contact police and and and say this
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: person is holding their wife and children hostage. All they
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: have to do is lie right, and they get to this,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: and they get to this to the same point that
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: the UK is at. It's just the same thing with
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: the extra steps.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: What happens with swatting.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Obviously a bit worse here, but you'll have workarounds there
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: It's like if I got swatted and they came in
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: here and they found they obviously would come in here
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: and they would see me sitting here in my pajamas
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: doing a live stream, completely unharmed, right and after the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: initial confusion, as long as I'm smart and I cooperate
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: and I don't do anything stupid like like trying to
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: back talk to them, I'm fine. Nobody's here but me
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: right now, so you know. And and if somebody was here,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: I would be able to say, okay, well my husband
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: is in the bathroom. He'll you know, and please please
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: call him by his name, Brian, so he doesn't freak out,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: you know, that they're strangers in the house, and and
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: everything like while I'm laying on the floor with my
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: hands where they can see him, so I don't get shot, right.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: That's that's cooperation, and that's basically what you have to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: do if you get swatted. Cooperate, do everything you're told.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Once that's over and everybody's safe, there's a process for
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: going back and saying, obviously this was fake. Nobody here
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: is not who they say they are. Here's everybody's ID.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Nobody gets arrested right now if they can find out
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: who did it. That that speech calling the cops and
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: saying that a crime is taking place when a crime
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: is not taking place is not protected speech. Lying to
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: police officers to cause a perversion of justice is not
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: protected speech. So you can get arrested for that, especially
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: if damage is done, like they've busted down the door,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: or like if they had to come in here, it
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: would be a real pain in the butt for them
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: because our door doesn't actually open all the way because
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: we have shelves up in an inconvenient location. They would
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: bust some of my favorite stuff that's close to the
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: door that nobody else likes and cares about. But it's
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: important to us in this irreplaceable stuff too.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: One of the best things about America is if it
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: does come worse to worst, you can at least defend
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: yourself with your guns, even if the government turns up
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: your door with all guns blazing. We obviously we don't
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: have that option in Britain. We will be out out
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: gunned and out armed and everything. But you know, you
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: know what what I'm getting at is if you get swatted,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: then that gap gets reduced to nothing, because if a
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: swap team turns up at your door, I mean, it's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: it's practically the same situation. You may think you can
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: you can have a standoff with them, or you can
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: fight for your lives, but ultimately you don't.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: You have to.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: You have to suffer the same thing. I guess you can.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: You can talk to the police and you can get
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: on your knees and say, okay, I didn't do anything wrong,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: and eventually they have to go, yeah, I guess you
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: didn't do anything wrong, whereas in the UK they can
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: be like, no, you did do something wrong, you said
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: things that's nothing.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: It only has to be a crime for them to
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: like Now, granted, if you get accused of attacking your
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: ex wife, they can arrest you. They can take you
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: in and for questioning, and they can hold you for
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: a period of time and then they have to send
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: you home and you have due process that you can
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: go through, and it's traumatizing. But with swatting, like I
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: want to point out, there's a big difference in that
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: when the cops show up at your door because someone
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: said there's a kidnapper in your house and everybody's gonna die.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: If the cops don't show up, they're not coming to
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: arrest you for being threatened by a kidnapper. They're coming
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: looking for a stranger to be in your house. Right So,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: only when there's some allegation that an individual is making
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: threats in and has a bunch of weapons, and then
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to provide some evidence before the
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: cops will believe that. If I just called and I
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: don't know targeted some feminist online and said that she
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: was building bombs in her basement and it threatened to
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: do a particular thing, I would be asked to show.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: You know, can you send us the messages, Can you
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: send us the voicemail? Can you send us a link
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: to the social media posts that you're talking about, Because
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: they need evidence before they can go in and attack
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: and arrest somebody. They don't need evidence before they can
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: go to somebody's rescue. They don't need that level of
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: significant evidence before they can go to somebody's rescue.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: Just like.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: If you have an alarm in your home and a
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: safe room that locks, and it goes off, and the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: alarm company calls the police and says, the alarm at
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: such and such address has gun off, the safe room
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: has locked that and there is movement indicated inside the house,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: and then they can't see who's in there. The cops
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: have to assume that you're trapped in your safe room
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: and you you have somebody burglarizing your house in the moment,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: and that it's okay for them to bust down your
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: door and arrest that person so that you can be safe.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: But I guess that the hair I'm splitting is that
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: in neither of our countries should the police have the
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: right to come to your house and say, some anonymous
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: dickhead called us and and and told us to come
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: spot at your house. And we should both have the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: right to say, hippity happy to get off my property, yea.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: And in neither neither of our countries do we, no
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: matter how many guns we have, we have in a house. Well,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: should have that right to say no, doesn't matter who anonymous.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: They told you you need proof of a crime before
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: you can before you can come to my house with
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking guns.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Well, with the American situation that I described of, you
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: know them saying that these people are being threatened by
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  Speaker 1: a kidnapper. Unfortunately that type of crime actually does happen here.
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  Speaker 1: And so if we said, well, the cops can't do
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  Speaker 1: anything about it, then when somebody actually does it and
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  Speaker 1: a neighbor sees the problem and calls the cops, they'll
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  Speaker 1: be like that. They'd have to be like, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but we can't show up because there's this law. It's
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  Speaker 1: why it's more important to hold the caller accountable. Now, granted,
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  Speaker 1: it should be the cops job when they show up
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  Speaker 1: to assess the situation quickly, efficiently, and accurately as much
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  Speaker 1: as possible. And if they can see, like there's a
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  Speaker 1: family of four that's supposed to be being held hostage
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  Speaker 1: by a fifth person and there's only four people in
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  Speaker 1: the house and they're all terrified of the cops, that
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  Speaker 1: should tell them right away that there's no kidnapper, you know,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: or at least that these people should not get shot,
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  Speaker 1: and they should just calm down and start asking some questions.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Are you safe? Is everything okay?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. But but yeah, it's an entirely different
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: situation from oh, a crime has been committed or alleged,
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  Speaker 1: let's go knock down the door of the person who's
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  Speaker 1: accused without there being an emergency that we have to
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: do it that way in order to get him out
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: of there, which the Biden administration did to their political opponents,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: and apparently so does the UK government to all of
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: their opponents, no matter how minor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, needless to say, it's no matter how bad it
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: is in the US, it's it's exponentially worse in the UK.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I'm working as as I can to get
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  Speaker 2: the fuck out of this place. Join you in the
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  Speaker 2: Land of the Free.
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  Speaker 1: That would be awesome. H No, I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: click that go back. That's not even a technical difficulty.
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  Speaker 1: That's just me. What are you looking for? What are
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: you doing it for? You're making a big mistake doing
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  Speaker 1: a boo boo.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to listen carefully. What's your look. I'm
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: going to start off with asking you.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know go call.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like you can describe each other as friends then video,
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  Speaker 3: So you played properly for me.
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  Speaker 1: It's not playing for you? Is it playing at like?
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  Speaker 1: Is it paused for you right now? Lauren? Oh, do
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  Speaker 1: they lose my co host there?
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  Speaker 2: No, I can hear you. Yeah. Sometimes you drop out
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  Speaker 2: for like ten to twenty seconds. We assume it's like normal.
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  Speaker 2: I think it might have found again.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I just noticed Allison is saying in the
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: chat child and update either. So I'm going to show
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: like this is so you can see in the chat
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: on I'm gonna post this in the chat because this
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: is what I'm dealing with with restream, right. I do
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: things in restream from here, and apparently it has no
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: effect at their end. I don't understand this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if we drop out for you, just carry on
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  Speaker 2: with the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will. But I'm like, looking at guys, I
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: gotta know, I'm watching two computer screens with one, two, three, four, five, six,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: eight eight tabs or eight little mini windows. Some of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: the windows actually have multiple tabs now that I mention it,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: and some of them have to be minimized so I
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: can see other ones. And then in the middle of well,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: I'm doing all this, I'm getting communications about other things
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: and so on, and then I'm also trying to keep
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: track of the the comments and stuff. So that's actually
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: twelve windows now that I really mention it, because there's
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: also like the super Chow Channel and all that. Yeah,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: there's a lot. So if I like sound like I'm
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: just trailing off into nothingness for a minute, I might
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: be looking at something.
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  Speaker 2: But now, like I said, we're getting back, we're getting
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  Speaker 2: better with the technical difficulties. If it seems if it
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: seems like it's going wrong, let's just get on with
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, let's not spend half an hour talking
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: about the technical difficulty No.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: Don't, don't make me start reading off Richard Pierre's comments
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: and telling the story of the time I got the
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: cops called on me for bewitching the neighborhood birds and
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: making them poop on a neighbor's car. That really happened,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: by the way, That is not a joke. It was
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: kind of a joke, but it was it was real.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: That was a real instant, a literal witch hunt, was it.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, In like the year two thousand, the
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: cops showed up on my parents' property to talk to
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  Speaker 1: me about having cast a spell on the neighborhood birds,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: practicing witchcraft outdoors, casting a spell in the neighborhood birds
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  Speaker 1: to make them poop on the neighbor's car. I lived
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: next door to a drug dealer for about ten years.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: He sampled his supply quite a lot. I was gonna ask, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And the upshot of that was, you know, I kind
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: of said something to them about, you know, it's it's
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: the dawning of the twenty first century, and am I
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: actually being accused of witchcraft? And and then they were
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: very uncomfortable for the entire rest of the conversation. Yeah, no, no, no,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: it is definitely not but yeah, and this is pretty
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: much like it's funny, but it's it's not funny because
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: when people can accuse you of things that are not
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: even crimes, and then the cops show up and heckle
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: you for it. No, Richard, I did not answer my
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: door naked. I was already outside, and I was I
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: was dressed. I can guarantee you that I was also
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: a mom at that point actually, and had been a
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: mom for about a year. So but in any case, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when when all it takes is, you know, an allegation
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: of something that somebody doesn't like, and not an allegation
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: of the commission of a crime to get the cops
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: to show up and question you, that's that's a pretty
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: sad state of affairs. And I got a taste of
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: that because I was living next door to a drug
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: dealer that the cops didn't want to deal with because
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: if they arrested him and they put him in jail,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: the state would have to pay for his cancer treatment.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, what's stopping the Russian government from swatting you?
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: If if, if all that's required is an untraceable phone call.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe they don't know who I am. They can't find me.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: I haven't been doxed enough guys. But in either way
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: that that's minor. Right when I started writing about the
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: seven years in Hell story, for instance, that guy, the
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: cops showed up at his place no less than five times,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: and his alleged offenses ranged from as serious as invisible rape.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: And I say invisible rape because he was on camera
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: at other locations. And the first time that she made
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: the allegation, she went in and said one day and
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: one time, and then when they called her in and said, well,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: he's on camera at a pharmacy across town during that
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: day and time. Oh I got it wrong. It was
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: this day. I just was so traumatized. My memory was
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: messed up, and I said, you know, Tuesday when I
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: meant Thursday or some dumb shit like that. And of
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: course he had he was on camera in another location
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: at the time, and and then the next one there
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: were witnesses at a third location that remembered him being there.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: He had a receipt and they had his cell phone
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: data showing he was there. And so it was like
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: after that, his attorney was, you know, went to the
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: police and said, if you guys keep changing the date
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: and time of the allegation, we are going to file
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: discrimination charges. And that was dropped, right. That was the
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: most egregious allegation, the most innocent allegation. He was accused
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: of a drive by greeting. He was accused of driving
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: past a location where the accuser could not have been
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: if she was telling the truth in the child support
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: hearing when she told the judge that she was going
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: to be in Arizona for three weeks. So he was
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: accused of driving past a location in the Dayton metro
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: area during that time and waving menacingly at her, and
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: that mysteriously disappeared after his lawyer brought up the fact
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: that she was in Arizona for three weeks. During that time,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: he was accused of a crank call that never happened,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: like just insane shit, right, And every single time the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: cops had to show up at his door, pull him
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: out of his house in cuffs, take him in for questioning,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: hold him for so many hours, and then send him home.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: And because she was going to the cops in different municipalities,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: because when I say date no Ohio, that's that's Dayton
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: and Riverside and uh Centerville and Beaver Creek and Huber
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Heights and Inglewood and Oakwood and Kettering and like all
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: of those are touching. It's all mishmashed together. You cross
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: the street in Riverside, you may might might find yourself
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: in the municipality of Dayton or Beaver Creek or Huber Heights,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, it's it's uh, it's same thing
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: with Beaver Creek. If you cross one street, you might
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: end up in another municipality. Or if you cross the
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: street and Kettering. You may find yourself in Dayton or Centerville.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: It's just they're everything's touching, right, That's that's big cities.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: So all you have to do if you're like the
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: vexatious litigant, was you where you're welcome out with the
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: first police department, go to the next police department, the
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: next community over, and you make an allegation where you say, well,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: I was at a bus stop in this community when
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: it happened, so it's your guys's jurisdiction now, And then
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: they have to go. They have to go to the
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: police department in the municipality where the accused lives. And
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: now four cops are showing up at his door, two
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: to arrest him and two to make sure that they
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: don't do anything improper because it's actually their jurisdiction where
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: he lives. And it's just such an abuse of power
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: and abusive process. But this happens to men in the
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: United States and in the UK, in India, in Canada,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: in France and Germany, every place that has any influence
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: by English common law. This happens every day.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, waving menacingly, my ass, try waving at all, try
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: making any hand gesture like putting your hand in your
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: pocket while making eye contact with any any client group
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: who's protected by the government, and they and they can say, well,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: he put his hand in his pocket menacingly, so he's
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: guilty of a hate crime. I don't mean to play
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: the oppression Olympics. I'm warning Americans that this is what
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: happens a generation or two down the line. If you, if, if,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: if you let this get as bad as it's got
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: over here, could be worse.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: He could have been doing.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks the Lord for Donald Trump, Like I know a
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: lot of y'all don't like him, but we don't have
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: anything resembling that. We don't have any pushback against the ship.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: And that's why if you so much as accidentally waggle
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: a pinky finger while in eyeshot of a fucking Muslim,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: you got to jail.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: At least you're not doing that crazy angive that could
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: be an act of domestic terrorism. Oh so we go
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: on here. Interestingly, they asked the question describe or as friends?
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: And I knew kids when I was in school, way
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: more than I wanted to know actually about them, that
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: I would never describe them as friends. I might describe
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: that time that they took my lunch money, which that
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: didn't happen twice, by the way. But you know, I
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily describe that same person as a friend. But
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: I might know where that person lived. I might know
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: what their favorite outfit looked like. I might know what
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: kind of grades they were getting in class. I might
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: know their middle name, you know, because I probably heard
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: their mom say it at least once. But I wouldn't
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: necessarily call them describe them as a friend. But yeah,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: they asked him if they know if he knows this girl,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: and then they said, oh, describer as friends then. And
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: here's here's his response, which this is like they black
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: and white died. How kids demonstrate guilt?
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  Speaker 4: Is she dead then?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: That's his answer. Describer as friends? Is she dead then?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Do you also?
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: Hm?
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: So, do you think it would be okay if we
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: speak about it? You're a good tis a great thought.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: He hasn't been found guilty, he's being accused.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: That isn't a minor part of the story. It's a
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: direct job at due process. How dare we assume innocence
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: until proven guilty when it's a white boy, when it's
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: a boy, when it's a man. Yeah, Because to feminists,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: there are women and girls, and there are males, and
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: all males are as culpable as adults. It doesn't matter
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: whether they're men or boys. It doesn't matter whether they're
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: healthy or have some sort of disability, whether that disability
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: is just physical or whether it's intellectual, whether they're mentally
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: healthy or mentally ill. It's all the same to them,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: because all they see is male. They don't see human male,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: they just see male. In fact, they often treat men
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: like there an entirely different species.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: Makes you wonder why it's so many thirteen year old
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: boys coat I'm a woman now, No, don't you worry
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: about it. I'm just being a woman because because I'd
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: rather be a woman. It's nothing legally expedient, don't you worry?
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Or even it's not because I can't live with
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: the person that everyone would just assume I am. If
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: I'm male, I must be female because it's only acceptable
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: to be female, and I want to be acceptable.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: In the US, there's a lot of teachers that have
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: been inundating their classes with the concept that masculinity is
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: made up of toxic characteristics that have to be controlled
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: and femininity is angelic and good and innocent and at
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: risk and protected and therefore has some degree of earned privilege.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: And of course, then when they get into the gender
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: bender ideology and they say anybody can be any sex,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: and you have that, you have all these choices, and
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you have dysphoria or not. If
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: you say you're a girl, you're a girl. If you
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: say you're a boy or a boy, you don't have
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: to take hormones or get surgery or any of that.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: Of course, boys are going to be like, well, if
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: if I can stop being the bad sex and start
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: being the good sex, then I can identify as a
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: girl and I'll make it through school.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: A good differentiator is did they make you study the
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Handmaid's Tale in school? Most gen Xes will say no,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: I never heard of this until until the Internet came
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: about in the two thousands, whereas most millennials like myself
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: will say, yeah, yeah, there was an entire module of
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: my of my sixteen class where they forced us to
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: study the Handmaid's Tale. It forced us to do essays
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: and examins about the Handmaids Teyale, Yeah, that's I mean,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: that's not the absolute divide, but that was the point
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: where it was beyond redemption.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: The Handmaid's Tale was published when I was in the seventh.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Grade, but it was most of Canadians who were studying
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: at that point. But by the rolled around so the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: late to the late nineties, when even millennials in England
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: and probably the US were being forced to study it
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: and they will be failed if they didn't conform to
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: everything these English teachers told us to believe about it.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: And that's that's where you can tell that the English
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: department in every school across the country had had been
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: very much consumed by this not just feminist ideology, but
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: radical feminist.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: So in nineteen ninety two, when I was at university,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: I had to read a chapter of The Handmaid's Tale.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: I also had to read the short story, Margaret Atwood's
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: short story Rape Fantasies, and then I had to write
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: an essay about it. And I was mad about having
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: to read it, and I was mad about having to
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: write an essay.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: So I.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Wrote an essay describing the difference between maybe non like
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: normal women's potential fantasies that they described in the story
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: and the type of fantasies that gal might have if
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: she'd been victimized. And I used the movie what is
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: it called? I Spit on Your Grave as an example.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: I don't watch I Spit on Your Grave. It's a
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: horrible movie. I saw it because I'm into like B
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: movies and and worse than B movies, like movies that
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: you would be like, Okay, that's not B, that's like
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: D or something. I've seen them, like the like butt
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Crack and Zombieavers, But uh, I Spit on Your Grave
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: was basically just gore and revenge put together as a fantasy,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: and it was basically a rape revenge fantasy. And somebody
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: thought I would like it because of my experiences, and
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: needless to say, I did not. But in any case,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: like one of the few B movies that I was
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: just like, this is horrible. But but uh yeah that
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: My my professor had a terrible time commenting on my
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: essay because of the way that I compared that, and
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't think that everybody has
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: the same idea when it comes to rape fantasies, right.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: That that really kind of threw her for a loop,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: the idea that I don't think she thought of women
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: as having violent capacity. But yeah, the thing that pissed
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: me off. John Doe mentions it here. And there's a
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: whole subgenre, as Gabriel phil and Lucas points out, which
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: I actually learned about and have tried my best to avoid,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: which if you're like a enjoyer of B movies, that's
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: where a lot of it is, so you kind of
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: have to watch out for that. But John Doe says
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: he saw he saw the film, and yeah, there was
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: a not mentally ill, intellectually disabled, an intellectually disabled man
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: was like his buddies forced him to join in and participate,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: and then she took revenge on him too, and in
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: my opinion, that guy was also a rape victim because
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: he didn't get a choice in the matter either, and
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: then she killed the other rape victim for being part
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: of her experience. And like that was when it's it's
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: actually a movie. We could probably analyze. It's just I'm
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: not sure I could stomach it again because it's just
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: such as it was. It was a piece of shit,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: I'll just be honest about that. But but yeah, this
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: type of demonization of men and the various ways in
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: which feminist literature and feminist media demonizes men, boys, even
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: male animals. They'll demonize at times that they have this running.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: Anything that men do is dirty, Anything that males do
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: is dirty. Thing that that males do is tainted, Anything
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: that males touch is tainted. Right, That's that's sort of
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: this theme. And any anything that is wrong that they
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: want to portray, any victim narrative that they want to create,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: the perpetrator must be male.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: Always comes back to male. It always comes back to
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: native males. Like they'll look at Native nature documentaries about
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: lions and say, look, the female lines do all of
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: the work and the male lines do nothing. That's like
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: not true, but they'll do that anyway. And they'll do
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: the same thing with human races. They'll they'll they'll look
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: at the things that immigrant males do and they'll say, look,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: we need to ban native males from ever accessing the
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: internet because that's the only thing that could possibly be
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: the problem. Like male lions kill female lines. I'm sure
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: they do. They must, I mean, it's the only thing,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: and so we need to prevent native males from accessing
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: the internet. This is a tweet I wrote recently. Not
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: like no matter what happens in the world. They blame
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: everything on on males and the Internet, and so they
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: need to prevent males from access in the internet. And
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: this this this doc this almost a documentary, sorry, this
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: act of fiction that is being presented as as as
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: an accurate reflection of reality of immigrant males in this
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: case and immigrant male murdering oh a girl and look,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't occur to them that there that anything
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: could possibly be the problem except native males and the Internet,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: because those are the things, those are the two things.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: They still don't have control of native males and the Internet.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: So we we we need to we need we need
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: to cut down on the influence of the Internet, and
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: we need to cut down on the influence of native males.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: We're allowed to hate because because.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: When they say the Internet, they only mean the parts
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: of the Internet that they're not controlled by feminists exactly.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: This is why the entire television network in the UK,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: not just the BBC, but every television channel, because every
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: television channel in the UK is regulated by Offcom, which
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: which which which is a government institution. They take every
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: opportunity to say the problem is the Internet and the
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: problem is males, because that's their mandate they hate males
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: and they hate the Internet because the Internet is a
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: threat to their hegemony and males are a threat to
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: their hegemony. So are they going to do this? No
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: matter what happens. If an asteroid hit London tomorrow, they
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: would say, we need to ban males from the Internet.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: I know that sounds like a joke, but it's exactly
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: what would happen. No matter what happens.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: Aliens have blended, we need to ban males from the Internet.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's it's it's it's all they can do because
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: it's all they care about.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: Found the cure for cancer, banned males from the internet.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, especially the cure for cancer, because we
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: all know feminism is cancer. You can't have males on
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: the internet. If we found the cure for feminism, correct, Yeah.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: Uh, if they haven't flooded the fucking NHS with with
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: with with women and foreigners, we might have found the
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: cure for cancer.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Bout Yeah that's true.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: Bye bye a girl, you're society.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: So now we're looking at a portrayal of the feminist
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: concept of toxic masculinity. Right, Oh, a girl will beat you?
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? And and and there's no explanation
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: as to why that's wrong. It can't be that we're
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: shaming boys for having vulnerabilities that that. That can't be
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: that why that's wrong. Right, No, it's because it's misogynistic, right,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: And so now you're gonna see the idea that girls
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: are harmed, not that boys are harmed, but that girls
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: are harmed. If a girl beats up a boy and
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: the boy gets made fun of for losing a fight,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: of course he's not allowed to defend himself because he
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: can't hit a girl, right, that's not okay, and he's
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: supposed to be able to take it because, as we
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: all know, it's justified that boys don't have any recourse
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: if a girl attacks a boy because boys are bigger
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: and stronger, even though for about the first twelve years
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: of their lives, actually for a large portion of that,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: girls are bigger and stronger if they're the same age,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: and then all of it.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: They're always more mature women and girls are always more
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: mature than males, unless essay happens, in which case they
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: couldn't possibly have helped.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: But there, really, the really screwy thing is how they're
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: measuring maturity there, right, because it's not based on girls
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: making smarter decisions, being more kind to the people around them,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: being more diplomatic about things, or anything. No, it's because
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: they get their periods earlier than boys develop viable seamen,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: so maturity is measured. And can you produce a baby,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: not can you make the related decisions wisely and effectively
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: to ensure the survival of a baby, or even that
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: your relationship is going to be halfway decent? But yeah,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: there will be more of this.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: Do you look at it? That's you're not reallydoing what
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: they're doing. It's a cool talks about them.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: I see a call to action by the menisphere. They
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: literally put that in there.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: They just can't stand women in gaming.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: Gou Houm gamer girl.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: Eighty percent of women are attracted to twenty percent of men.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: There's there's a call to action by the manisphere. Eighty
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: percent of women are attracted to twenty of those two things,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: one right after the other. Like, that's not a call
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: to action, all right, that's that's a statistic.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: You must trick them because you'll never get them in
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: a normal way.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: You must trick them. I haven't heard like I've heard
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: in cells talking about this have actually discussed this subject
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: within cells. I haven't seen a single one say that, oh,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: you have to trick them, you'll never get them in
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: a normal way. No, a lot of them have said,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be alone for my whole life. Nobody's
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: ever going to love me, nobody's ever going to want me,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: nobody's ever going to care about me. They don't say
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: I have to go get what I want through adverse means.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: They say I will never have what is normal for
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: other people.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: They never mentioned Magta. You'll notice this. This is a
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: point I made in my last video that loaded a
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: few hours ago. Make Tau in general are not demanding change.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: They are walking away from the system in the assumption
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: that is not going to change in the time. That's
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: that's how dejected they've become. And I'm not saying that
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: to be disrespectful or dejective. Like a lot of men
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: have come to the conclusion that the system is so
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: fucked that it's not going to change in their lifetime,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: and so that just walking away from it. And men
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: can do that because men are capable of fending for themselves,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: of being content with their own company in ways women
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: for the most part, are not. And this is why women,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: no matter how dejected they get, will continue to appeal
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: to the government to not just give them everything they want,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: but force men to give them everything they want. And
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: this is the important difference between migtail and I want
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: to say feminism, but it's not just feminism. It's women
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: in general, women who have been hoodwinked into trusting the
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: government to give them what they want. And that is
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: a shitload of women. I might even say it's most women.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: And this is why, again I have to say, you're
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: not just fighting against the minority. It's very possible that
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: the majority of women have been hoodwinked in this way
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: to assuming that they can just appeal to the government
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: to force men to give them a thing they because
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: they can and they will.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it, is it really hoodwinked? If
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: it's true, they can do that.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: It's it's true because the government is able to make
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: it true. And that doesn't make it right. Right, No, rights,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: it's really fucking wrong.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: It's not right, but it is true. That's that's the
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: sad thing. Just like this is something that we have
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: to make sure that we understand. Uh, feminists get this
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: wrong all the time, A right something can be true
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: and wrong. It's true that if you hang out with
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: violent criminals, you are more likely to be the victim
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: of a violent crime than if you remain in safe
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: locations with safer people. It doesn't mean that it'll never
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: happen if you're hanging out and safer locations with safer people,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: but you make yourself more vulnerable. If you hang out
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: with violent criminals, you make yourself more vulnerable as a
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: potential victim, and you make yourself more likely to be
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: a target, especially if they're violent criminals that are in
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: competition with other violent criminals, which that's actually one of
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: the reasons I've been a victim of a violent crime
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: in the past because I hung out with violent criminals
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: that were in competition with other violent criminals. So this
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: is I'm not speaking in judgment of other people. I'm
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: speaking from personal experience. The crime happened to me because
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: of my associations. Right feminists will call that victim blaming. No,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't make the crime happen, but I was vulnerable
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: to it because of my choices. It's a difference between
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: if you aren't wearing your seat belt you're more likely
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: to get injured. And if you aren't wearing your seat, well,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: the other person's moving violation that caused the car accident
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: is your fault. Like nobody says the ladder, and nobody
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: should be taking the former as a statement of the ladder.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: So uh so, yeah, we can. We can recognize that
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: it is absolutely true that women can exploit government power
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: that way. It is absolutely true. It shouldn't be, but
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: it is. That's the situation we're fighting right now. Yeah,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: let's go on with this a little bit. Come on,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: there we go. No, no sound, let's go back five seconds.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: Let it not have sound for here.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: You must trick them because you'll never get them in
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: a normal way. But I'm not wrong, a we.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: Hey, So now a lot of it is just any
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: trailer gives you a bunch of scenes like that where
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: if it's supposed to be like an action movie or
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: a drama, like, you're supposed to wonder what's going on there,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: and I want to see the context around it and everything.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: But to.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: Everybody who sees through the sy op, it looks like
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: a feminist temper tantrum. Here's how we're going to portray
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: these men and I guarantee you there are two things
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: that they're going to portray about, the father and the son. Right.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: The father is going to feel sorry for his son,
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: and then he's also going to feel so sorry for
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: himself and you know, his embarrassment, and he's like, he's
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: gonna we've done nothing wrong. We're we're good parents. Our
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: child turned out like this entirely independently.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: Mother's going to be a victim. Every woman in this
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: kid's life is going to be a victim of him.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's gonna be a consistent portrayal.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: The dad's not crying because, you know, or near tears
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: because he's compassionate. Here, he's near tears because he can
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: hear his son behaving in a way that is embarrassing
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: to him. You can't control what I fucking do. There,
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: you go, right? This is Feminists always tell you what
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: they want underneath everything. They'll have one little line in
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: their one little phrase, this is what is really the goal.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: They don't care about so called toxic masculinity. They don't
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: care if boys are actually hearing things that will cause
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: problems for them on the internet and not seeing challenges
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: to toxic narratives. They don't care about that. They don't
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: care if a little girl dies. They don't care if
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: an entire family's life is destroyed by the loss of
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: a loved one, and another entire family's life is destroyed
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: by a crime committed by their loved one, they don't
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: care about any of that. It's control. It is about
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: power and control. The Deluthe model is feminists telling on themselves.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: They are promoting this abusive narrative about little boys to
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: get power and control over society.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: This is browbeating, rabbitting of our own men. It's how
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: do we control our own men from the earliest possible age?
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: And I mean our own like I love people don't
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: understand why there's the way there's this counterintuitive alliance between
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: native feminists and foreign men. They call it muslim men.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: Like what why do Western feminists love Muslim men so
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: much when by their own narrative they proclaim that muslim
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: men hate their own. They don't men protect their own.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: They have their own system by which they protect their own.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: The point is Western feminists just like all feminists, but
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: almost all feminists are Western. They're not interested in protecting women.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: They're interested in controlling their own men. And when I
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: say own, I mean own, because they believe they own
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: their own men. That's why they don't try to control
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: foreign men because they don't own them. They own their
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: own men. Like they don't claim ownership over foreign men
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: or mus A mena or anything like this. That's not
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: part of their paradigm. Their paradigm is we are Western
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: and we own Western men. They are our property, and
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: so they are our responsibility. That makes it sound like
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: they have any ability, but the only sense of responsibility
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: that they have is control over the men that they
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: feel they own.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: That's that's that's why they treat their own men as slaves,
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: because because because those men belong to them. It's I
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: know this sounds counterintuitive, but it's all explainable when I
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: repeat this word that you'll keep forgetting. It's icophobia. They
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: they hate their own men. They they hate their own
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: men because they are their own That's what chophobia is.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: They they hate the men that they find familiar, and
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: they don't hate their own women, even though that would
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: be archophobia. And that's where it becomes confusing. It's because
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: it's misandric.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: They do look down on their own women, though they
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: put in their own women are totally helpless, totally inept,
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: totally unintelligent enough to be unable to do things for themselves,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: to need government to protect them, to need government to
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: take care of them, to need a leg up in
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: all things at all times. And yet at the same
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: time you have to tell them their geniuses or they'll
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: be utterly emotionally destroyed. Like if somebody felt that way
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: about me, I'd want to crawl in a hole and die. Yeah,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: at least if I took them seriously, I'm not. So
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: I don't care if feminists feel that way, because I
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: don't put any credence to the way that they think
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: or feel. But this thing, with the hatred toward their
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: own men and their own boys, it goes so deep
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: that they are literally willing like this is an organization
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: of feminist interests in the UK, literally demonizing English boys
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: on the whole as a group en mass by portraying
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: something that never happened as the reality of something entirely
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: different that did happen.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: Below it's crazy. Oh yeah, brain tells you to do
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: when you're a kid.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: So my attention was drawn to this this week. So
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: this thing is out already. It's already on Netflix. I
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I really don't want to watch it,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: but I probably will just to see what it's, what
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: the whole portrayal is. I really would rather not have to.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: But before we finish our show, there is something that
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to compare it to. All right, So I
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: want you to remember the basis of this story is
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: this boy allegedly has been listening to they're specifically targeting
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: in cells here. This boy has allegedly been listening to
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: in cell rhetoric, which is apparently the entire manisphere and
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: apparently always violent and sneaky and stuff like that. Not
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: what real inceels sound like, but okay. And apparently he
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: thinks that he has to manipulate or use violence in
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: order to secure and maintain a relationship. So this story,
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: My attention was drawn to this story just a day
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: or so ago. It just happened, the ruling on it,
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: rather just happened. But initially we were going to talk
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: about that other story and I was going to compare
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: it to the bread Knife Lady, and I was like
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: looking up. Then this came out and I read this story,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: and initially they make it sound like, you know, this
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: chick argues self defense and the court says, oh, yeah,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: you were defending yourself. You didn't murder anybody. You'd think.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: The guy was on top of her ground and pound,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: and she stabbed up into him to get him off
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: of her, and she was saved. Right, And you have
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: to read deep into the story to get it. The
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: initial thing, right, is all about her tears of relief
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: and how her family reacted. It says at the girl,
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: who was seventeen at the time of the attack cannot
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: be identified, said she was acting in self defense when
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: she plunged a kitchen knife and to seb oh Halaran's
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: chest at her molder a home on October twenty first.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: So it starts making it sound like, you know, this
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: guy was attacking this girl in her own home. Of course,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: it's it's definitely self defense, right, and you look at it.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors called the incident murder. Why would they do that?
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: So I started reading further, you know, and the first
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: thing that struck me all right, minutes before the death,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: the girl had been involved in a physical tussle with
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: her then boyfriend, who was mister o'haloran's friend. So the
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: fight wasn't between her and the victim of the killing
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: the dead guy. It was between her and the guy
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: that she was dating. But then it says outnumbered by
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: the two men, and there's nothing in between here indicating
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: that oh Hallaran did anything, And so I'm like, what
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: took place that made her out numbered? Was it just
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: because he was present? Because her him just being present
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. Out Numbered by the two men, she
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: retrieved a cook's knife from the kitchen, so she went
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: into the kitchen from the room they were in, and
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: then went to confront her boyfriend. All Right, going to
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: confront somebody is not self defense. So I can tell
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: you exactly what would happen if I was in a
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: home with two assailants and I was scared of them,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: because this is the believing the pair was planning to
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: bash or rape her. All Right, So if I'm in
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: a home, if I'm in my parents' house when I'm
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: a kid and I'm in the living room with two
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: guys and I think they're they're going to try to
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: bash me and rape me, I'm locking myself in the bathroom,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: or I'm going out the side door to the neighbor's
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: house and calling the cops. I'm not going into the
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: kitchen for a knife and then go back into the
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: living room where I am outnumbered. Fuck that, I'm out
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: of there.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, quick fast, Jesus.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: So I got suspicious because I'm like, what else is
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: in this story? Is the way this is described is
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: like it's obviously leading, leaving out a shitload of context.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: Outnumbered by the two men she does this, Prosecutors say, oh,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: mister Ohaleran was standing in her way when the girl
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: allegedly raised the knife and told him to move. Seconds later,
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: he was stabbed.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: All right, Oh my god. He literally he stood in
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 3: front of the knife and that's how he got stabbed.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, he got in the way of the knife.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where's knife? Where's the description of him attacking her?
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: Where's the description of him doing anything but blocking her exit? Like, now,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: it's possible that she lived in one of the few
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: houses in the world that has only one door, one
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: no windows, and uh is is all second floor? Even
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: if it did or something, but I doubt it. Maybe
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: she's in an apartment that's like way up, you know,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: sky high from the ground and only as a door.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe that's it, and no bathroom to lock
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: herself in and she didn't have a cell phone in
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: in the year that this happened. And you know, like
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: I my brains go, how the heck do you not hide,
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: lock the door, call the cops that will come and
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: obviously break down the door because you're in danger. Just
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: just call the cops and tell them he typed in
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: on your computer you're in the UK. Uh but uh no,
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: none of that right? So why did why did exactly
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: mister o'halla and deserve to die? Because the boyfriend, who
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: was also not identified for legal reasons, was described as
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: a bad person. He was supposedly he's a drug dealer,
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: described by the girl's legal team as a drug dealer
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: who was a controlling, a controlling, and sexually violent. They
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: didn't finish their sentence there. He was a controlling.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: And he's that young that he can't be named. But
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: he's this big drug dealer kingpin. Get the fuck out
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: of here.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, and he was deceitful, egocentric, and selfish. Therefore
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: his friend deserved to be stabbed in the chest for
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: not getting out of her way.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: Damn it.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: Her lawyer, Sharon is translating this into American. Her barrister
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: is her lawyer, Sharon Lacy sc said her client showed
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: courage while acting in self defense. She was understandably terrified
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: in that moment. She did what she could do to
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: defend herself and immediately let go of the knife and froze.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh my god, right now, brave.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: If these guys were going to bash her as as
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: she said, and she dropped her weapon and froze, why
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: didn't the boyfriend beat the hell out of her in
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: that moment? Right? Like, if that's what was If you
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: are going to try to convince me that a violent
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: criminal who was threatening to commit a violent crime agount
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: against you, is going to stop because you disarmed yourself,
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: uh uh personal experience, No, they they don't stop. If
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: you are vulnerable, that's the cue to accelerate, right, But
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: it goes on. So so her her story is she
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: attacked two men and stabbed one of them because they
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: made her feel unsafe and the one that she was
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: dating was an asshole, and in self defense she killed
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: the other. So like, what's the rest of the story,
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: And it describes him. He was a passionate motocross rider,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: who was described by his family as a dearly loved son, brother,
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: grandson mate. Miss Lacy conceded mister Hallerin had not laid
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: a finger on the girl, so he didn't do anything
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: to her, but argued she was afraid of him because
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: he had a reputation of being involved in fights, so
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: she was afraid. He made her feel afraid. I've seen
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: this too. One of my college friends was arrested because
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: a girl gave I was afraid of him as the
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: reason why she broke into his house, took one of
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: his possessions and beat him over the head and shoulders
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: with it. Jesus Christ, it's domestic violence to have a
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: woman be afraid of you, so scared that she breaks
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: into your house and gets as close to you as
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: humanly possible. And the defense says she had battered woman
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: syndrome right. The confrontation took place after the girl had
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: endured months of abuse at the hands of her then boyfriend,
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: who allegedly got her hooked on drugs and used cocaine
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: as a reward if she complied with his demands, so
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: he shared his drugs with her. You can't reward somebody
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: with something, they don't want, right, it's not a reward
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: if you don't want it, it's an assault. So I'm
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: not buying that. Like, chicks choose to use drugs just
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: as much as dudes do. And here's where they like
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: they had already lost me. But here's where the last
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: nail in the coffin hit. She became angry after learning
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: the boyfriend had been cheating on her with someone, the
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: court said. Prosecutors argued that anger turned to rage and
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: that she wanted to hurt or confront the boyfriend. In
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: the lead up to the stabbing, the teenager slashed the
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: tires of her boyfriend's car and cut up his clothing
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: cause you know, you always do your best to really
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: piss someone off if you're scared of them. M m.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: Mister Johnson said, even if the girl was a victim
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: of family violence, using the knife could not be considered
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: as a necessary or reasonable response in the circumstances. But
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: Missus Lucy or Missus Lucy said the stabbing occurred after
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: the girl had been thrown to the ground and punched
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: in the face. However, the earlier part of the story
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: does point out she came out of the kitchen with
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: the knife and the guy was in her way and
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: she stabbed him. She treats it as a hemmerme scenario,
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: but in reality, this was a circumstance at worst of
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: two way domestic violence, where she was violent toward him,
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: She was abusive toward him, and he was abusive toward her.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: If she's her story is to be believed about his behavior,
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: that she slashed his tires, She engaged in behavior that
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: if a guy did it to a gal, would be
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: called stalking. And and this is this is how it
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: all ended up. This is treated in the media as
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: a justifiable homicide. She got mad, confronted him over cheating,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: had an argument, went into the kitchen and got a knife,
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: confronted him and his buddy, and then stabbed his buddy
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: for refusing to get out of her way. Compare that
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: to what we just saw. I mean, thinking about it,
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: and I know Mike probably can't comment on this at
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: all because it's a real news story and it's about
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: a woman. And if you can't say anything about stuff
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: like that in the UK, you can't say anything about stuff.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: Women are beautiful. I can say nothing.
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm in Ohio and contrary to recent proclamations
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: by certain politicians in the UK. They can't arrest me
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: for jack shit. I live here, I can say anything
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: I want. This is not a subsidiary of the UK,
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: and we are not subject to a UK law.
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: But do make sure you don't get swatted for what
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: you're about to say.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I get swatted, it's gonna be for what
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: I've said already. I actually got into an argument on
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: X about this with some people, and there is an
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: individual getting involved in that conversation claiming to have been
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: in the courtroom and knowing things the rest of us,
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: and she's a rape victim and blah blah blah. Not
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: getting raped does not make you a rape victim. Okay, Now,
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: thinking that you might be at risk of getting raped
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: and then not getting raped also does not make you
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: a rape victim. There's a huge difference between what goes
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: on in your head and what is happening in front
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: of you and around you and to you in real life.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately feminists have got women so tied up in
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: the other kind of rape fantasies right. Margaret Atwood's rape
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: fantasy story was a story about people responding to a
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: magazine article about women having fantasies of being raped, with
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: the idea the discussion being well, it's actually about sex
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 1: that they don't have to take responsibility for, it's not
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 1: real rape. And then she goes on and takes it
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: to a ridiculous place, and it's actually kind of funny
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: the way she does that. But the other kind of
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: rape fantasy is where you drive yourself nuts with fear
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: of something that is never gonna happen to you.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: If the statistic that says one in four or one
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: in five women will be raped in their lifetime, that
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: means you have three times the chance of never experiencing
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: it than you do of ever experiencing it. So being
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: constantly afraid is stupid, and especially being afraid when you
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: haven't been threatened.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: So, this this woman drove herself nuts, did something stupid,
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: killed a person who did not try to rape her
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: and did not threaten her.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: But this individual that was arguing with on X got
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: very heated, accused me of attacking a rape victim, and
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: then denied my experiences because I flat outside, you can't
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: use us as your as your cannon fodder. We're not
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: your shield to be able to demonize men and then
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: not get called on it. You can't just haul us
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: out as a bunch of like, uh, human meat shields
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: to deflect criticism. When you do something like that, you
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: are still an asshole. Shame on you, and immediately since
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't allow him to use my experience as a
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: one time victim history has been more than one time,
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: but as a historical victim, because I don't like talking
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: about it as though I'm still a victim when it
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: happened years and years ago. Right, I'm not a victim now,
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 1: but I don't like that being exploited either, And I
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: don't like it being exploited as an excuse. You can't
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: criticize when we demonize men because this this thing, now,
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: fuck you. You can't have that. And so of course
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: the individual got very heated, got very abusive, said things
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: that were so bad that Twitter x limited the visibility
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: of his comments and then blocked me so that I
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: couldn't respond, because you know, very supportive of women. And
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: that's the comparison we have right here. A boy who
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: is fictional and is portrayed as having stabbed a girl
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: over a sense of sexual entitlement, and because other boys
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: and men online said sexually entitled things to him, according
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: to the story, and that's supposed to be the narrative
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: that you see when you hear about these stabbings that
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: are happening and you compare it to a real life.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: Honest to goodness, this happened, and there was an arrest
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: and a trial and everything. Stabbing that started with sexual entitlement.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 1: How dare you cheat on me? I'm going to start
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 1: a fight with you, but since it's a girl, it's
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: in self defense and it's okay, it's no big deal,
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 1: and we're not allowed to get mad about the fact
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: that that that excuse was made. And that is the
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 1: absolute state of propaganda. So there you go. Let me
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: see if we have any other super Chat super chows,
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: rumble riants. We have a rumble rant. Okay. Nova Fan
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: twenty one gave us a dollar and said, feminists, colon,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: Men created the world we live in and women had
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: no influence in it. Men colon, Well, we like the
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: benefits and we decide to go back to women's rights.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: Feminists colon, how could this have happened?
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds exactly that the kind of thing that
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: would involve three colons yep, a great deal of shit.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: Well it's better than having to go visit the IRS's website.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: The URL to the IRS's website is ce Colon inter
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 1: Colon pound pound pound And with that nasty ass joke, Sorry, guys,
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 1: I had to do that. We do not have any
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: other super chats or super chouse that I haven't already read.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: So it's already nine thirty. I'm going to call it.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: We've been on here for two hours and I can't
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: ask Mike to comment on this part of the subject
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: because it's not fiction, it's real. So and I think
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 1: I probably wore you out in I Lauren, Yeah.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 3: It is beyond past my bedtime.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 1: But I think y'all have seen the comparison here. We
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: can't talk about what actually is happening with those knife crimes.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: They have to demonize real boys using a fiction character
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: portrayed in a way that's not realistic. This is not
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: actually happening. But when a girl actually does what he's
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 1: accused of, it's self defense. So in our self defense,
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: we're gonna say that's the end of the stream. Next
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: week we'll be right back to finding searching to find
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: a cure for US AIDS, and so thanks to y'all
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: for listening, thanks for going through this weird sludge with me,
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 1: Thanks to everybody who works in the background to make
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: HBr talk happen. Goodnight all,