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MOM'S HEARTBREAK: TEEN SON FOUND COLD, BLUE, DIES FROM ONE FAKE PILL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A mother's heartbreak. Her young
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Speaker 1: son found cold blue. He dies from one fake pill.
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Speaker 1: One pill and he's dead. Why, good evening. I'mancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: The fentanyl epidemic is striking at the hearts of families
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Speaker 1: across the country. Counterfeit pills laced with the lethal narcotic
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Speaker 1: leading to overdoses. Now families are fighting back fentanyl, Fentanyl
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Speaker 1: rising amongst the ranks of other deadly drugs to strike
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Speaker 1: fear and the hearts of parents all across our country.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, I've got.
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Speaker 1: So many cases of young children, teens, even infants dead
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Speaker 1: from an unlikely encounter with sentinel.
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Speaker 2: Just one pill kills and when you.
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Speaker 1: Look at it, you don't even know what it is. Again,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories, and I thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. With me an all star panel, but I'm
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Speaker 1: first starting with a mom who was suffering heartbreak after her.
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Speaker 2: Boy is dead from one pill.
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Speaker 1: Just a bright, beautiful, shining boy now dead.
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Speaker 3: Listen, Jack's gone, Jacks Gone.
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Speaker 4: I rushed over.
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Speaker 3: And when I arrived at police and the empt were there.
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Speaker 3: My husband had worked on him for thirty minutes and
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Speaker 3: he's told me his fingers were blue.
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Speaker 2: He was already called.
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Speaker 3: The and he worked on him for an hour.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing Jack o'kelly's mother, Angela speaking out, Angela
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Speaker 1: King with me as I said an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: But first to Angela King, Miss King, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. And I do not like making a
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Speaker 1: crime victim relive what happened. But Miss King, there are
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Speaker 1: literally millions of people that will hear your voice, who
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Speaker 1: are suffering as you and your husband have suffered. What
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Speaker 1: happened the day that Jack died.
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Speaker 3: Well, the night before Thanksgiving, Jack could come home as
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Speaker 3: all of our other children did from college, and he
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Speaker 3: went out with a group of friends, celebrating seeing everyone
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Speaker 3: they went out. He sent the night out at a
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Speaker 3: friend's house, and the next morning we were getting ready
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Speaker 3: for Thanksgiving and Jack wasn't answering the phone. So my
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Speaker 3: husband called the parents and they said, oh, we just
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Speaker 3: checked on them. The boys are all still sleeping. We've
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Speaker 3: got out for a walk. Come on over.
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Speaker 4: The front doors unlocked.
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Speaker 3: So he drove over literally right across around the corner
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Speaker 3: from us, and Jack was unresponsive. The other boys were
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Speaker 3: not aware of that. His fingers were blue, and he
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Speaker 3: was already gone. My husband worked frantically on him for
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Speaker 3: thirty minutes while the ants came. We all went over
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Speaker 3: to the house and the ants worked on him for
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Speaker 3: an hour, but we knew he was gone. The most
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Speaker 3: horrific day of our lives.
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Speaker 4: It's unimaginable, yes, exactly.
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Speaker 1: And the one pill that he thinks is is an
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Speaker 1: ex or a valium, is actually laced with deadly fentinel.
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Speaker 1: You know, you are hearing a loving mother who is
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Speaker 1: now living through the worst time, the darkest time of
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Speaker 1: her life. And I noticed that you're doing what I
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Speaker 1: did when my fiance was murdered, and still do. I
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Speaker 1: can't say he's dead for years. All I could say
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Speaker 1: is he's gone. And I'm not sure why that's true,
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Speaker 1: but it is.
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Speaker 2: Guys.
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Speaker 1: What happened that morning, the morning that Angela is describing, Listen.
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Speaker 3: We woke up Thanksgiving morning, ready to celebrate one of
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Speaker 3: Jack's favorite holidays. My husband started calling Jack in the
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Speaker 3: morning to come home to get ready, and Jack didn't
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Speaker 3: answer this phone. He called the parents and they said, oh,
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Speaker 3: we just looked in and all the boys are still sleeping.
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Speaker 3: Come on over, We're going for a walk at the park.
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Speaker 3: The front doors open, just come on over. So he
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Speaker 3: drove over and a few minutes later he called me
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Speaker 3: in a complete panic.
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Speaker 1: A complete panic with me an all star panel.
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Speaker 2: But I want to go to a veteran.
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Speaker 1: Trial lawyer joining us a criminal defense attorney in Atlanta
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Speaker 1: and the jurisdiction where so much fentanyl is flooding the market.
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Speaker 1: It seems to be an endless battle. And you know,
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Speaker 1: Ray Giudice with me at rayglaw dot com. High profile
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Speaker 1: lawyer wins a lot of cases. But when I first
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Speaker 1: started as a rookie prosecutor, Ray was on the other
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Speaker 1: side of the fence. Actually, first you were a prosecutor
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Speaker 1: and another jurisdiction. Then you became a defense attorney. And
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Speaker 1: for the longest time, you know, we were practicing against
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Speaker 1: each other. I wouldn't even mention to anyone ever. And
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Speaker 1: this went on for the full ten years. I was
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Speaker 1: in the DA's office that my fiance had been murdered,
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Speaker 1: and I could never say dead.
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Speaker 2: If I had to say it, it would be gone.
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Speaker 1: You've dealt with a lot of crime victims, Ray, this
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Speaker 1: is not uncommon.
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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, Nancy is not in my condolences to this family
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Speaker 5: of what appears to be just an absolutely wonderful young man.
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Speaker 5: We both have friends of our law school friends who
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Speaker 5: have young adults in this age bracket. You are right
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Speaker 5: about the fentanyl scourge in Fulton County, and I'm sure
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Speaker 5: the doctor can opine on this better than I can.
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Speaker 5: But you don't need a whole pill of fentanyl. You
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Speaker 5: need a grain of fentanyl. Which is why when they
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Speaker 5: find an amount of fentanyl in somebody's apartment or car,
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Speaker 5: law enforcement will say it was enough to kill ten
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Speaker 5: thousand people. This is nuclear waste of drugs. It's so
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Speaker 5: deadly and it's so silent. It's laced in so many
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Speaker 5: things that especially our young adults, maybe in a party situation,
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Speaker 5: maybe in a situation of being a little having a
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Speaker 5: good time, get something in their system that's laced with
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Speaker 5: fentanyl and just disastrous results.
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Speaker 3: All of our children came over that morning. The screams,
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Speaker 3: the whales, the absolute terror, shock, fear and pain that
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Speaker 3: we endured that morning. No parent, no sibling, no human
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Speaker 3: should ever ever have to experience. It was the most
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Speaker 3: devastating day of our lives.
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Speaker 2: Joining us.
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Speaker 1: Angela O'Kelly describing the discovery of her son Jack dead.
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Speaker 1: Her husband tried valiantly. EMTs tried valiantly, but by the
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Speaker 1: time Jack was found, they're at a sleepover with a
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Speaker 1: group of friends from school.
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Speaker 2: They had no.
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Speaker 1: Idea that as they all lay sleeping, Jack was dying. Angela,
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Speaker 1: when did you learn the coeod cause of death.
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Speaker 3: We didn't find out until the autopsy results, So this
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Speaker 3: came a while after he had died.
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Speaker 1: That morning and it's Thanksgiving, you're all getting everything ready.
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Speaker 1: I guess you like me make a big turkey. We
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Speaker 1: have a turkey off where one is baked and smoked,
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Speaker 1: and we compare. I lose every year. All the family there,
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Speaker 1: everybody's running around and no Jack, No Jack, he doesn't
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Speaker 1: show up. When you got that call from your husband,
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Speaker 1: what happened?
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Speaker 3: I was completely devastated, of course, thinking this couldn't be happening.
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Speaker 3: This is surreal. Jack just went out with his friends
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Speaker 3: like everybody else did, and there's no way anything could
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Speaker 3: be this wrong.
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Speaker 4: So it was so surreal but so real at the
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Speaker 4: same time.
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Speaker 1: In that moment, were you in the kitchen, was everybody there,
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Speaker 1: was the oven on and everything's going along, and then
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Speaker 1: the harsh dichotomy, the start dichotomy of getting this call.
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Speaker 3: It was it was earlier in the morning, but still
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Speaker 3: of course trying to get everybody ready. We have six children,
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Speaker 3: and so you know, everybody getting ready. This was Jack's
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Speaker 3: favorite holiday. And just never in a million years would
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Speaker 3: we ever ever imagine something like this happening. But you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 3: it's happening every day. It's going to continue to happen.
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Speaker 3: We have a serious, serious problem on our hands and
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Speaker 3: people are not talking about it. Children do not know,
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Speaker 3: These parents don't know, and I'm I'm doing everything that
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Speaker 3: I can. It's only been six months a little over
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Speaker 3: six months, but I'm committed to doing anything that I
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Speaker 3: can do to get the word out, to speak to schools, churches, communities,
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Speaker 3: whatever I can do. We've got to start talking about
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Speaker 3: this because it's not going away. Ventyal's coming into this
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Speaker 3: country by the boatloads from Mexico, from China to Mexico
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Speaker 3: into this country with our open borders, and we have
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Speaker 3: a serious problem, and anything that I can do to
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Speaker 3: save a life, I'm willing to do. I've gotten emails
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Speaker 3: from people whose parents have said, because you speaking out,
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Speaker 3: my child has come to me and said, you know what,
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Speaker 3: I may have a problem. I've been doing illegal you know,
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Speaker 3: I've been doing drugs and I'm addicted. Now I need
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Speaker 3: to go into rehab. So I'm hoping that I'm making
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Speaker 3: a difference and saving a life. That's what Jack wanted.
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Speaker 3: Jack left, just like it says in the Bible. Jack
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Speaker 3: left so that we can live. And I'm committed. Really,
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Speaker 3: I don't know why this is not on the front
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Speaker 3: page of every newspaper in this country.
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Speaker 4: Why it's not talked about.
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Speaker 3: On the news daily. Every five minutes, somebody's dying of
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Speaker 3: fentanyl in this country. We have to start doing something
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Speaker 3: about it. We have to start talking about it. I
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Speaker 3: want to take this and do a campaign just like
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Speaker 3: Mad Mothers against drunk driving that was so impactful years ago.
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Speaker 3: That's where we are right now with fentanyl. It is
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Speaker 3: in everything. The drug dealers are putting it in every
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Speaker 3: drug and there has to be something done about it
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Speaker 3: on a large scale.
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Speaker 4: We have to come together and start talking.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories, with Nancy Grace, Angela King joining us. Her
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Speaker 1: son just literally scrubbed and Sunshine. He honors students so smart.
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Speaker 1: It was on the football team, loved everybody had a
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Speaker 1: huge group of friends at Uga. Loved Uga, just an
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Speaker 1: incredible young man that you raised. You raised this little
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Speaker 1: miracle into a man, a wonderful young man just starting
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Speaker 1: his life. When you discovered what had happened, I know,
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Speaker 1: it was unbelievable. He had never had a drug or
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Speaker 1: alcohol problem. Like so many other parents, you think everything's
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Speaker 1: just merely, we go along, it's working out, everything's fine,
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Speaker 1: and then this, what is your understanding of what happened
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Speaker 1: that night?
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Speaker 2: Angela.
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Speaker 3: He was with friends, having a good time, and from
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Speaker 3: our understanding, he made a fatal mistake, one that should
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Speaker 3: not have cost him his life. It was it was
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Speaker 3: a murder, It was a poisoning. This was an intentional poisoning.
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Speaker 3: That's what's happening with this fentanyl. There is accountability. Of course,
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Speaker 3: he did take a pill. Should he have not taken
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Speaker 3: a pill? Absolutely? Was it a stupid choice? Absolutely? And
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Speaker 3: Jack knew better. Jack didn't take a pill to die.
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Speaker 3: He didn't overdose on a pill. He was poisoned. This
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Speaker 3: is something that we were shocked to hear of. And
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Speaker 3: if it's happening to Jack, it's happening all around. These
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Speaker 3: college campuses is full of rugs. Kids are passing it
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Speaker 3: around like it's candy, and it really is. Like you said,
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Speaker 3: one pill can kill. They're play in Russian roulette. You
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Speaker 3: don't know what you're getting. He thought he was getting
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Speaker 3: his anax and clearly it had fentanyl in it.
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Speaker 6: A twenty year old Ugas dies Thanksgiving morning after ingesting
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Speaker 6: a counterfeit Xenex pill laced with fentanyl. Jack o'kelly's mom
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Speaker 6: now on a mission to stop another family from suffering
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Speaker 6: the laws of a loved one.
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Speaker 1: Angela King is taking her battle in the name of
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Speaker 1: her son Jack Public One pill can kill? And what's
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Speaker 1: so scary? I'm throwing this out to doctor William Moroney.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney has devoted himself to fighting the opioid crisis.
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Speaker 1: Not only a renowned medical examiner, a toxicologist pathologist, but
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Speaker 1: he's an opioid treatment expert and author of American Narcian.
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Speaker 1: He has certainly put his money where his mouth and
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Speaker 1: his brains and his education are. He has created a
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Speaker 1: traveling mobile unit to fight fentanyl and other opioid deaths
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Speaker 1: and addictions. Doctor William Maroney, you don't just talk the talk,
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Speaker 1: you walk the walk. Can you explain in regular people talk.
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Speaker 1: What Angela is describing.
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Speaker 7: What Angela is describing is that the normal flow of
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Speaker 7: X experimentation with our children is, you know, sometimes they
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Speaker 7: grew up, they smoked a cigarette, they snuck a beer,
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Speaker 7: you know, they smoked a little bit of weed somewhere,
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Speaker 7: well somewhere. This has gone terribly wrong, And what our
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Speaker 7: children are experimenting with is they're taking things that look
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Speaker 7: like pharmaceutical safe products, but they're fraud They're fake, and
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Speaker 7: they're made to look this way because no teenager, no
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Speaker 7: young adult, would ever take unknown powder and inject it.
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Speaker 7: So the cartel and the drug dealers have taken narcotics
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Speaker 7: like fentanyl and methanphetamine and put it in something that
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Speaker 7: looks just like this. Now, this whole pill may not
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Speaker 7: be solid fentanyl. It's pressed in secret places and basements
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Speaker 7: and garages and warehouses because it's not a pharmaceutical and
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Speaker 7: the amount of ventanyl that will kill in this pill.
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Speaker 2: Would fit.
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Speaker 7: On the head.
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Speaker 2: Of a pencil.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I like it when you describe it to grains
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Speaker 1: of salt, doctor Moroni.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you describe for me the other.
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Speaker 1: Day about the grains of salt. I was floored.
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Speaker 7: It's three or four grains of salt. Something you almost
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Speaker 7: can't see in a spoon. If you shake it out
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Speaker 7: and put it on a burger, a dog or a
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Speaker 7: French fries, it disappears. It's so small. And this is
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Speaker 7: what's in fraudulent pills. The idea that kids can get
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Speaker 7: together and you know, maybe have a couple of beers,
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Speaker 7: or they pass aroundbills that look good. You used to
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Speaker 7: steal those pills from your mom and dad. They didn't
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Speaker 7: come from drug dealers.
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Speaker 2: That's all changed.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know another issue, Doctor William Roney, And let
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Speaker 1: me throw this out to Tom Smith and Raymond Judice,
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Speaker 1: and I wonder how Angela King is going to react
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Speaker 1: to this. Tom Smith, former NYPD detective, co hosts of.
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Speaker 2: Gold Shields podcasts.
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Speaker 1: Tom, Now, there's something called rainbow fentanyl. Rainbow fentanyl, and
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Speaker 1: when you look at it.
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Speaker 2: It looks like the Smarties.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you had that growing up, but
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Speaker 1: they're a little round tablets and you bite them. They're
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Speaker 1: rainbow colors, purple, pink, yellow, They that's all they are.
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Speaker 1: These rainbow fentanyl pills look like Smarties. They are now
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Speaker 1: being marketed to children and teens and they look like
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Speaker 1: a little piece of candy rainbow fentanyl.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's why it's made that way, because it's
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Speaker 8: an attraction, and it's made to attract the younger crowd.
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Speaker 8: And that's exactly why it's done. And that's the horrible
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Speaker 8: part of it. And that's where the accountability needs to
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Speaker 8: come in. That these dealers know exactly what they're doing,
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Speaker 8: they know the amount they're putting in, they know the
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Speaker 8: effects of it, and the accountability has to be raised
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Speaker 8: now to a criminal level.
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Speaker 2: Too, Raymond Judice.
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Speaker 1: So very often, you know, when we hear about a
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Speaker 1: drug case, there is an automatic perception amongst a lot
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Speaker 1: of people, including jurors, that oh, it's drugs, the victim
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Speaker 1: was a drug addic, they knew what they were doing.
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Speaker 2: That is not the case here. Jack is not the
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Speaker 2: only one.
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Speaker 1: I've got a whole full of cases where even infants
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Speaker 1: are exposed to fentyl, just fentinyl powder, and they die.
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Speaker 1: I'm about to tell you about another young girl just
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Speaker 1: nineteen who takes one pill it's laced with fentanyl. Another
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Speaker 1: girl in high school fifteen does the same before an exam.
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Speaker 2: She dies. That's what's happening.
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Speaker 1: And now the dope dealers are making them look like
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Speaker 1: Smarties candies that you get at the Dollar Tree.
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Speaker 5: Look, they want to use less real drugs. This stuff
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Speaker 5: is so cheap and so easy to make in China
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Speaker 5: and North Korea, come through our borders illegally or on
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Speaker 5: shipping containers, and then it's put to accelerate a smaller
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Speaker 5: amount of a drug to get a bigger reaction. So
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Speaker 5: they're getting a twenty times x impact, except that that
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Speaker 5: twenty times x will kill a vibert healthy young adult
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Speaker 5: or an infant in an another room. I agreed completely
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Speaker 5: with all the things that Miss King has said. I
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Speaker 5: applaud for bringing this to our attention as a community.
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Speaker 7: You know, a crack.
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Speaker 5: Addict has to smoke an awful lot of crack to overdose.
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Speaker 5: A heroin addict can do a lot of heroin before
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Speaker 5: they die. As the doctor pointed out, a couple of
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Speaker 5: grains assault of fentanyl in a pill that's designed to
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Speaker 5: look like a gummy bear can kill. As we point
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Speaker 5: as we see a beautiful young athlete for and it's
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Speaker 5: just a shame, and we this has to raise to
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Speaker 5: a national level. It has to be sought in the
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Speaker 5: state Department, our military, whatever. I don't want to get political,
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Speaker 5: but I believe, I believe that this is a concerted
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Speaker 5: effort by people in other countries that hate our country
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Speaker 5: to ship this poison here.
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Speaker 2: Plus the profit motive. Oh yes, it's a huge profit.
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Speaker 1: Back to Mom Angela King, mother of Jack Angela, When
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Speaker 1: did you learn that one pill.
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Speaker 2: Killed Jack?
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Speaker 1: A pill that I believe he got from a guy
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Speaker 1: that everybody seemed to know. You know, when somebody that
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Speaker 1: you know says here, here, here's an aspirin, here's an
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Speaker 1: active ed, here's a whatever. Fill in the blank, and
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Speaker 1: as somebody you know, and that all your friends know, you're.
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Speaker 2: Like, okay and take it. You don't look at.
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Speaker 1: It and look it up on the internet and think, wow,
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Speaker 1: is this lace with fentanyl?
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Speaker 2: When did you learn what had happened?
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Speaker 3: That's right, Well, what you said is absolutely accurate. These
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Speaker 3: drugs now that are coming out. Look, you can barely
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Speaker 3: tell which is fake and which is real. You can't
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Speaker 3: afford to take anything from anyone at any age unless
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Speaker 3: it's prescribed to you from a doctor. You can't take
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Speaker 3: any pills at all. You know, we were shock to
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Speaker 3: learn when we received the toxicology and the autopsy results
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Speaker 3: that Jack had taken a pill, and we took it
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Speaker 3: upon ourselves to work with the detectives. We hacked into
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Speaker 3: Jack's laptop, which coincidentally I'm on right now, which is
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Speaker 3: pretty interesting to do this, and researched and found the
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Speaker 3: drug dealer actually through our investigations, looking into his Venmo accounts, etc.
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Speaker 3: And we found the drug dealer and turned all that
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Speaker 3: evidence over to the detectives to go after him.
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Speaker 6: A fifteen year old Georgia high schooler overdoses in a
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Speaker 6: school classroom Mia diegez Selfer is a heart attack after
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Speaker 6: swallowing a fentanyl laced pill provided by another student. The
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Speaker 6: team dies sitting at her classroom desk.
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Speaker 1: It is raging across our country and a mother still
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Speaker 1: suffering over the death of her young boy, Angela King
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Speaker 1: with us her son Jack. So what do we know
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Speaker 1: about this guy that she the mom, managed to dig
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Speaker 1: up at her son's social media listen.
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Speaker 9: Atlanta Homicide id's Abram Rancon is the person from whom
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Speaker 9: Jack purchased what he thought was Xenix in the following
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Speaker 9: weeks and undercover makes multiple buys from Rangcon. Those buys
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Speaker 9: become PC probable cause to search Ringcon's apartment, and when
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Speaker 9: they do, they find pills, illegal hallucinogeny, mushrooms, mushroom chocolate bars,
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Speaker 9: four five hundred and fifty edibles, THHC wax from methazine
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Speaker 9: in thirty pills moon rocks, over thirty five pounds of marijuana,
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Speaker 9: eight guns, two shotguns, rifles and pistols, and a bulletproof vest.
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Speaker 1: Jack never had a chance against this guy and worse.
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Speaker 9: Listen to this. Abram Rancone's attorney, Jay apt says Rincon
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Speaker 9: is not guilty and is looking forward to his day
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Speaker 9: in court. Raincon has five drug sale counts pending, but
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Speaker 9: as attorney says, the drug trafficking and gun charges were dismissed.
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Speaker 9: Raincon is then released on a signature bond. Jack o'kelly's
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Speaker 9: mother is outraged Ringcone got bond, as is the Fulton
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Speaker 9: County District Attorney's office. App said no mention of an
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Speaker 9: overdose death was made at the first appearance where these
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Speaker 9: things happened.
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Speaker 2: What the hey?
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Speaker 1: Abram Raancone walks free on ro r released on own recognissance.
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Speaker 1: He didn't even have to put up a bond and
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Speaker 1: to boot he's not charged with homicide, not a murder.
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Speaker 1: When he is the one dealing pills passing them off
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Speaker 1: as valium, they're laced with deadly fentinel. No manslaughter charge,
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Speaker 1: much lessen for not a murder, but there's not a
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Speaker 1: voluntary or even an involuntary charge. Why is it that
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Speaker 1: fatal fentinel overdoses are skyrocketing across US our country, yet
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Speaker 1: there are very very few death charges. And look, I
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Speaker 1: came from the Fulton County District Attorney's office. I love
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Speaker 1: the district Attorney's office. But what the hey, no bond
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Speaker 1: and no manslaughter charge? How can this be? Rage you
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Speaker 1: to Jay.
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Speaker 5: Nancy, I suppose he came up for bond within ten
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Speaker 5: days of his arrest, and I don't believe the coroner's
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Speaker 5: report would have been back and got given to the
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Speaker 5: assistant district attorney in that courtroom to present to the
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Speaker 5: judge to make probable cause to make a bond for
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Speaker 5: a manslaughter or a homicide charge. That would be my belief.
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Speaker 2: Hold your horses.
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Speaker 1: You to Jay, you said that maybe the autopsy report
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Speaker 1: for Jack wasn't back yet. Well, if I've got it
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Speaker 1: now and we all know about it, and Angela has
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Speaker 1: it they've got it.
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Speaker 5: It wasn't there at the time of the bond application, but.
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Speaker 1: It is now. Where are the advanced charges? You know,
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Speaker 1: the grand jury meets in Fulton County every Tuesday and Thursday,
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Speaker 1: all right, that have plenty of time to upgrade this
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Speaker 1: indictment to include a second degree involuntary manslaor what about that?
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Speaker 5: All due respect, Nancy, you worked in a different Fulton
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Speaker 5: County District Attorney's office than that currently exists, and I'm
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Speaker 5: not going to make excuses for them, but you're right,
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Speaker 5: there's no reason that this hasn't been indicted. There's no
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Speaker 5: reason that there hasn't been a bond increase and a prosecution. Now,
26:28
Speaker 5: there are some gaps in the law, and that's what
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Speaker 5: Miss King is working on, and that our governor just
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Speaker 5: signed a change in the law to make these prosecutions,
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Speaker 5: I don't want to say easier, but more tools for
26:43
Speaker 5: the prosecution to use. So I do think they'll upgrade
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Speaker 5: the charges, and I do think the Fulton County will
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Speaker 5: prosecute the case. But also, and I'm sure Miss King
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Speaker 5: shares in many of our frustrations as local council here
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Speaker 5: in Atlanta, that district Attorney's office and the court system
26:59
Speaker 5: is just overwhelmed for a number of reasons.
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Speaker 6: Paige Gibbons, a nineteen year old New York college student,
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Speaker 6: thinks she's taking Percoset, the counterfeit pills one hundred percent fentanyl.
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Speaker 2: Paige Gibbons, known as they quote do Gooder.
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Speaker 1: She was a do gooder. Now she's dead because of
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Speaker 1: one pell.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 10: Paige Gibbons, nineteen, graduates from Our Lady of Mercy High
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Speaker 10: School in Rochester, New York. She's excited to start college
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Speaker 10: classes at her father's alma mater, the Holbart and William
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Speaker 10: Smith Colleges. Gibbons dreams of becoming a doctor or first
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Speaker 10: responder and is dedicated to her goal, focusing a high
27:37
Speaker 10: school senior project on procuring female CPR mannequins for the school.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that doctor William Maroney, her nickname was
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Speaker 1: do Gooder? She was working to provide mannikins to help
27:52
Speaker 1: fight all sorts of issues plaguing young women. Do you
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Speaker 1: hear that the so called do gooder dies of one
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Speaker 1: single pill?
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Speaker 7: All across America? There's this tsunami of death that comes
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Speaker 7: from fake pills. Where did we ever get this idea
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Speaker 7: that it's okay to take percoset. It's part it's in
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Speaker 7: our high schools in Michigan. But in Michigan we prosecute
28:20
Speaker 7: people that give fentanyl as killers. It's homicide. But this
28:26
Speaker 7: experimentation with percoset is not going to go away. And
28:30
Speaker 7: we need to do two things in general society. We
28:34
Speaker 7: need to begin to educate everybody, not just families at risk,
28:40
Speaker 7: not just the poor, not just people are disenfranchised. We
28:43
Speaker 7: need to educate everybody about what does an opioid overdose
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Speaker 7: look like? What does a fentanyl overdose look like? Because
28:55
Speaker 7: this is going to happen everywhere. This is going to
28:57
Speaker 7: happen in libraries.
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Speaker 1: Well here, speaking of what it looks like, we learned
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Speaker 1: that this nineteen year old takes what she believes is
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Speaker 1: one pill a percoset listen.
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Speaker 9: After a whirlwind few months in college, Paige Gibbons returns
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Speaker 9: home to Rochester for the Thanksgiving holiday. Gibbons spends the
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Speaker 9: night out of sleepover catching up with her two best friends.
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Speaker 9: The three girls decided to purchase percoset pills through social media.
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Speaker 9: While Gibbons and her friend take the pills, the third
29:25
Speaker 9: friend becomes uncomfortable with the situation and skips the pill.
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Speaker 9: Paige Gibbons goes to sleep that night and never wakes up.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining us is Jack's mom,
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Speaker 1: Angela King. Angela, I know that Rachel, that Paige Gibbons
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Speaker 1: obtained what she thought was a single percoset pill along
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Speaker 1: with her friends on social media. How did Jack? I
30:03
Speaker 1: think I know the answer. But how did Jack get
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Speaker 1: hooked up with this poc abram rincon.
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Speaker 3: Well, actually we found where Jack was, where he purchased
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Speaker 3: it this ab as he goes by, had a telegram
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Speaker 3: site that he was selling the drugs, and then he
30:21
Speaker 3: was venmoeing. He was very brazen, had his own picture
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Speaker 3: up on his venmo account. He did go to North
30:30
Speaker 3: Atlanta High School and that's where Jack went, so they
30:35
Speaker 3: knew each other.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me understand something, Angela King, you're
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Speaker 1: telling me that Raancone was right there at the high
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Speaker 1: school selling drugs.
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Speaker 3: He didn't sell it at the high school. Jack was
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Speaker 3: in college. He went to high school with Jack. However,
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Speaker 3: he was arrested previously for drugs when he was at
30:55
Speaker 3: North Atlanta. But we believe that connection happened Rincon was
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Speaker 3: a few years older than Jack, but they met in
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Speaker 3: high school.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, and back to you, Doctor William Maroney.
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Speaker 1: That's how it happens. You know a guy who knows
31:10
Speaker 1: a guy you went, Hey, I went to the.
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Speaker 2: Same high school as you. Hey, do you know x Yeah.
31:16
Speaker 1: We played lacrosse together, we played football together, And the
31:19
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you know this guy ab also
31:23
Speaker 1: known as Abram rain Cohn. So long story short, there's
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Speaker 1: a degree of familiarity. For instance, in Paige Gibbons case,
31:32
Speaker 1: she was with all her friend girls and they're having
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Speaker 1: a sleepover and they go, wow, let's go on social
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Speaker 1: media and get a valum. It was one hundred percent fentanyl.
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Speaker 2: Dr Maroney.
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Speaker 7: Yes, it's the scourge. It's what's happening. People are buying
31:48
Speaker 7: what they think are adderall, It's got fentanyl in it.
31:51
Speaker 7: People are buying what they think are xanax. It's got
31:54
Speaker 7: fentanyl in it. People are buying purposet. I mean drug
31:58
Speaker 7: dealers used to least assimilate opioids at opioids and stimulants
32:04
Speaker 7: with stimulants, but everything's mixed up and everything has fentanyl
32:08
Speaker 7: in it because it's the common precursor everything being imported
32:13
Speaker 7: is based on the smaller it is and the stronger,
32:18
Speaker 7: more potent it is, the easier it is to smuggle it.
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Speaker 7: If you wanted to kill one hundred people, you need
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Speaker 7: this much heroin, and if you wanted to kill one
32:30
Speaker 7: hundred people, you need this much fentanyl.
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Speaker 1: That much and you know another issue. Tom Smith, a
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Speaker 1: former NYPD now star on the Goalshield podcast at the
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Speaker 1: Goalsheerd at the gold Shieldshow dot com. Tom, these teams,
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Speaker 1: including Jack, have a degree familiarity with the person that
32:58
Speaker 1: gives them the pill, and that makes them the victim
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Speaker 1: trust the person because of those connections, those seeming connections.
33:07
Speaker 1: And with Paige Gibbons, who thinks she's getting a percocet,
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Speaker 1: she's with her friend girls obviously one of them had
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Speaker 1: done it before on social media and it was okay,
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Speaker 1: now she's dead, yep.
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Speaker 8: And what's the common denominator? And all this social media
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Speaker 8: and the electronics that are out there, the ease that
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Speaker 8: these kids have to purchase these pills that a laser
33:29
Speaker 8: fentadel is so disturbing and that's the problem. Law enforcement
33:34
Speaker 8: needs to go deep into the electronic footprints and get
33:38
Speaker 8: to the drug dealers. They're there, the communication is there,
33:42
Speaker 8: and the relationship is there. It's got to get found
33:45
Speaker 8: and these people need to be criminally charged with man supporters.
33:48
Speaker 8: We discussed throughout the show. There's got to be an
33:51
Speaker 8: end to this. When is enough enough? One hundred thousand,
33:54
Speaker 8: two hundred thousand, When is enough enough to make this
33:58
Speaker 8: a national security issue for our children.
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Speaker 3: We're Kate and Dave Gibbons from Pittsford, New York. Our
34:04
Speaker 3: daughter Page was just nineteen years old and had just
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Speaker 3: started college when she and a friend were given pills
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Speaker 3: they thought were percocet. Unfortunately it was spentanyl. Page overdosed
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Speaker 3: and died from one pill one time.
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Speaker 2: This isn't something.
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Speaker 3: That only happens to other people, and we don't want
34:28
Speaker 3: it to happen to anyone else.
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Speaker 9: Divino Nino Daycare in Kingsbridge, New York is now the
34:34
Speaker 9: place of nightmares as trusting parents leave toddlers in the
34:38
Speaker 9: care of responsible caregivers, when in reality they are leaving
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Speaker 9: their children with alleged monsters selling deadly fentanyl out of
34:45
Speaker 9: the daycare. One year old Nicholas Felice Dominici dies from
34:49
Speaker 9: fentanyl overdose and three other children are hospitalized. Police find
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Speaker 9: twenty two pounds of narcotics and one kilogram cake of
34:56
Speaker 9: fentanyl being stored on top of children's playmats.
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Speaker 1: When this bay be inhaled the fentinyl dust, when that
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Speaker 1: fentanyl was moved to hide it in the daycare, when
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Speaker 1: he breathed that in, he died. And as we go
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Speaker 1: to air, joining me is Angela King, mother of Jack,
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Speaker 1: a beautiful young man who dies from one pill. Angela,
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Speaker 1: I have learned about three area three Bay Area babies,
35:33
Speaker 1: three infants, Phoenix Castro, Winter Reo, and Christopher Ferea, all
35:41
Speaker 1: dead from exposure to fentanyl, just being exposed to it.
35:48
Speaker 1: And these are little infants. I was stunned when I
35:52
Speaker 1: heard about the daycare case. They're just breathing in fentinyl
35:58
Speaker 1: can kill you. One pill. One pill killed Jack. I
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Speaker 1: want to know what is your message?
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Speaker 3: First of all, thank you for thinking of me and
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Speaker 3: giving me this time. It is so important to talk
36:14
Speaker 3: about it. We've got to educate. This needs to be
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Speaker 3: a requirement in all school systems. We need to educate
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Speaker 3: our children about the dangers of drugs. In addition, everyone
36:27
Speaker 3: needs to have analoxone. There's Narcan, but there's also another
36:31
Speaker 3: product called kluck Sato, which is eight milligrams. Narcan is
36:36
Speaker 3: four milligrams every minute matters. Everyone should have cluck Sado
36:43
Speaker 3: on their person, in their cars, in the children's backpacks.
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Speaker 3: It was just passed here in Georgia that now schools
36:50
Speaker 3: will all carry the narcan. Everyone needs to know how
36:55
Speaker 3: to use it. It's a nosepray. This is the world
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Speaker 3: we're living in. We have to get educated. We have
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Speaker 3: to start talking about this. There needs to be a
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Speaker 3: mandatory in school's, a drug program like I told you,
37:10
Speaker 3: you know, Mother's against drunk driving. I want to do
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Speaker 3: a campaign like that. This needs to be discussed every
37:16
Speaker 3: day on the news. Love your children, Jack knew, Jack
37:21
Speaker 3: knew better. All of our kids know better, and just
37:25
Speaker 3: know that they need to know that if they take
37:28
Speaker 3: that pill throughout having fun with their friends and they
37:30
Speaker 3: take that pill, that's it. You don't know, it's Russian roulette,
37:34
Speaker 3: and don't do that to your family.
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Speaker 4: This tragic Angela.
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Speaker 1: I want you and doctor Maroney to know that you
37:40
Speaker 1: have already impacted a life. Mine a new doctor is
37:47
Speaker 1: treating my mom who lives with us, and had given
37:51
Speaker 1: her a different kind of painkiller for her spine. I
37:54
Speaker 1: went in her room to take her breakfast like I
37:56
Speaker 1: do every morning, and this was preparing for to day,
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Speaker 1: and she was out cold. I didn't know what had happened.
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Speaker 1: I immediately got her and it was hard. The twins
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Speaker 1: had to help me into the back of the car.
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Speaker 1: We took her to the hospital and by even using
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Speaker 1: her prescribed dosage of an opioid painkiller, she was out.
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Speaker 1: They saved her life, my mother with Narkian. They saved
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Speaker 1: her life, and it threw her into a fit like
38:30
Speaker 1: I've never seen that lasted eight or nine hours.
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Speaker 2: I thought the narkhn was going to kill her.
38:36
Speaker 1: The Narkian saved her life at her age. An accidental
38:42
Speaker 1: completely following a new prescription as prescribed newly killed her.
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Speaker 1: You have already affected so many lives, including you too,
38:55
Speaker 1: doctor Moroni. I first heard about Narkian from you, you
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Speaker 1: know again to Angela. Parents don't think their child would
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Speaker 1: ever do this. That's what you thought about, Jack. That's
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Speaker 1: what parents all across the country, me as parents, the Gibbonses,
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Speaker 1: all these parents, they have these wonderful children and they
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Speaker 1: have no idea that one pill can kill again.
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Speaker 2: Angela, speak to parents.
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Speaker 3: Now, start talking to your kids, start talking to everyone.
39:28
Speaker 3: This sentinyl crisis that we're in is getting worse. It
39:33
Speaker 3: is going to get worse until we can close the
39:35
Speaker 3: borders and there's something that happens on a national, federal level.
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Speaker 3: We're in a major crisis. More children are going to die.
39:45
Speaker 3: We have to start talking about it. We have to
39:47
Speaker 3: start making a difference and educate your children, love them up.
39:52
Speaker 3: Just know that this could happen to your children, and unfortunately,
39:57
Speaker 3: this is the world we live in.
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Speaker 4: By the narcan learn how to use it.
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Speaker 3: It needs to be in every place, in concert arenas
40:04
Speaker 3: and football stadiums. Cluxato is now putting it into Emory
40:08
Speaker 3: University in a vending machine. It needs to be on
40:10
Speaker 3: in every school campus. There needs to be mandatory education
40:14
Speaker 3: and I'm going to do anything and everything in my
40:16
Speaker 3: power to make that happen to everyone.
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Speaker 1: Please know you can dial toll free eight hundred sixty
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Speaker 1: six y two help eight hundred sixty six two, four
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Speaker 1: three five seven or nine eight eight, just like you
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Speaker 1: call nine one one or four to one one nine,
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Speaker 1: eight eight. Send special thank you to Jack's mother joining
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Speaker 1: US ANGELA King. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,