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Glam Yoga Teacher Says 'NOT GUILTY' of Love Murder, Secret Life Revealed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, the so called killer yoga teacher.
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Speaker 1: Why won't she go away? Well, she's not going anywhere,
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Speaker 1: and as a matter of fact, in the last days,
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Speaker 1: she has popped up again in court. Think back, Think
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Speaker 1: back in your mental time machine. Remember the beautiful, young,
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Speaker 1: world class dirt bike rider Mariah aka Mo Wilson, just
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Speaker 1: twenty five years old, scrubbed in sunshine, beautiful, smile, real
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Speaker 1: outdoors girl. She's dead Why because she had the audacity
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Speaker 1: to go on a date with the killer yoga teachers
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Speaker 1: cheating boyfriend, Like who wants him? Who wants a cheater man?
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Speaker 1: I'd send him home to mommy c O. D. But
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Speaker 1: that's not what happened. In the last hours. As I
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Speaker 1: just mentioned, the killer yoga teacher Caitlin Armstrong in court
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Speaker 1: demanding not only a jury trial, but a speedy jury trial.
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Speaker 1: This as we piece together what we have learned about
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Speaker 1: her life on the run. I mean, see Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in serious xemn one eleven man, this
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Speaker 1: girl wants at all. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at GMA. She's the former yoga teacher turned accused killer
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Speaker 1: and fugitive, but Caitlin Armstrong says she's not guilty. Miss
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Speaker 1: Armstrong wants her day in court, she wants a trial.
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Speaker 1: Armstrong entering that plea during a brief court appearance Wednesday
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Speaker 1: in Austin, her attorney claiming some reported details in the
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Speaker 1: case are not accurate. Simply, there's a lot more to
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Speaker 1: this story than has yet been heard. She's charged with
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Speaker 1: first degree murder, accused defeatially shooting pro cyclist Anna Moe
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Speaker 1: Wilson in me mm hmm, okay. Did hear that some
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Speaker 1: details are not accurate that you've heard on the press?
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Speaker 1: Why our lawyers, defense lawyers always so worried about what's
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Speaker 1: being said in the press. Think about it. O. J. Simpson,
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Speaker 1: Robert Blake, so many others whose stories were covered heavily
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Speaker 1: in the press. Michael Jackson did not affect the jury
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Speaker 1: at all. I guess some of those facts maybe not accurate,
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Speaker 1: But what seems to be accurate is that she gunned
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Speaker 1: down Mariah, who is trapped in a bathroom with me.
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Speaker 1: And I'll start pale to make sense of what we
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Speaker 1: know right now. But first I want to go to
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Speaker 1: Alexis to Reschuck Crime online dot Com investigative reporter on
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Speaker 1: the case, Alex tell me about her court appearance. So
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Speaker 1: her court appearance happened not days after Moe was murdered,
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Speaker 1: but six weeks later. Because she fled the country and
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Speaker 1: Nancy she disappeared. Police questioned her immediately after Moe was
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Speaker 1: found murdered. They noticed that her jeep was seen on
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Speaker 1: security footage right at the crime team. So the police
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Speaker 1: called her in. They questioned her. They said, you know,
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Speaker 1: this doesn't look good, and she had really no answer.
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Speaker 1: She stammered through it. There was a fluke, she was like,
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Speaker 1: she was released and she disappeared. She took a flight
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Speaker 1: to New York City. Nobody ever saw her again. However,
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Speaker 1: the investigators, the FBI was involved, the Texas Rangers, the
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Speaker 1: US Marshall. They tracked out that they believe she used
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Speaker 1: her sister's passport. Her sister was living I think in
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Speaker 1: a yoga commune in New York, mister nine, Christina or Christina,
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Speaker 1: and she used her passport to fly to Costa Rica,
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Speaker 1: where she hit out for forty three days. So on
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Speaker 1: the run. That is not a story that is disputed.
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Speaker 1: This is an very very glamorous, yoga teacher, beautiful. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why she was all worked up over a
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Speaker 1: cheating boyfriend. Really, I just want to show you how
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Speaker 1: she goes from this, a beautiful, golden haired long she
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Speaker 1: looks like a model, to this she looks like cousin It.
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Speaker 1: She's walking out, guys for these For those of you
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Speaker 1: that can't see this, this is her walking out after
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Speaker 1: she was captured in Costa Rica, alluding federal authorities all
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Speaker 1: over the world. And her hair is now brown, cut
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Speaker 1: to her shoulder and she's got pulled over her face
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Speaker 1: like cousin It. So did she have the cousin It
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Speaker 1: appearance in court? And you know what I'm thinking about.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking thinking of out Laurie Valo called mom Laurie Valo,
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Speaker 1: who was so worried about her appearance in court that
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Speaker 1: she made lip gloss. Joe Scott Morgan, I hate to
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Speaker 1: call on all of your forensic skills for this, but
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Speaker 1: how does she make the lip gloss? I forgot it
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Speaker 1: was Jolly Ranchers. Yes, yes, Jackie is here in the
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Speaker 1: studio going, yes, it was Jolly Ranchers. She made you know,
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Speaker 1: the bright pink ones. I know them intimately because my
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Speaker 1: children are hooked on them. Um. She made lip gloss
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Speaker 1: out of Charlie Jolly ranchers and I guess some lotion.
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Speaker 1: And then, of course this is your belly with Alexis
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Speaker 1: Terres Chuck, Jodi Arius. I hate to even say the name.
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Speaker 1: I feel like she's gonna pop up in the corner
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Speaker 1: somewhere in a poof of green smoke. But bad name. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and she burns at me again. But Alexis Chuck, do
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Speaker 1: you remember? And this she had to know that cameras
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Speaker 1: were running. She's Charlie was stabbing her lover, Travis Alexander
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Speaker 1: in the shower about thirty times. Actually, Alexis, it was
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Speaker 1: more than thirty times. It's just that the stab wounds
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Speaker 1: were overlapping each other and you really couldn't tell how
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Speaker 1: many there were. And then she kept it off by
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Speaker 1: shooting him in the hand and leaving him to rot
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Speaker 1: in the shower, the damp shower. Remember her well, She
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Speaker 1: insisted against her lawyer's advice and doing interview after interview
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Speaker 1: after interview, and they would always catch her primping and
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Speaker 1: putting on her lipstick and her powder. I'm like, woman,
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Speaker 1: you could face the death penalty stopped with the lip
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Speaker 1: gloss in the powder. Same thing here. I want to
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Speaker 1: hear about Caitlin Armstrong at her arrayment that it was
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Speaker 1: a video arrayment. Correct, Yes, So her hair is different,
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Speaker 1: and this is what I really noticed that, So in
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Speaker 1: her what she looked like before the crime, Before the murder,
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Speaker 1: she had red hair. I don't know that I would
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Speaker 1: call it red. I think I would call it copper blond.
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Speaker 1: And it's okay. Now, I've never had this happen to me,
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Speaker 1: but I've seen it in commercials, and apparently it's true.
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Speaker 1: Her hair before actually kind of glows, it's so shiny
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Speaker 1: and beautiful. And then somehow she switched everything, including a
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Speaker 1: nose job. I mean, I'm certainly no MD, but I
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Speaker 1: could tell a nose job when I see one right there.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's to look more like her
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Speaker 1: sister's nose in her passport. I'm just guessing, extrapolating based
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Speaker 1: on the evidence, And of course none of this is
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Speaker 1: going to matter to her jury, but it matters to
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Speaker 1: me that she's working so hard to obtain a different look,
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Speaker 1: like a chameleon. Like you remember again, Jodiarius the bottle blonde,
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Speaker 1: then went with dark brown hair and a pair of
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Speaker 1: fet glasses for the jury. They did not fall for that, well,
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Speaker 1: exactly what Kalin had done. So she went from the
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Speaker 1: golden hair to just one tone brown hair. She flipped
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Speaker 1: her part, which to me, you know, that's actually kind
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Speaker 1: of hard to do for your hair. Oh whoa wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: hold on just a moment, or Brandt, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: did you hear Lexus to Rust Chuck, I think she'd
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Speaker 1: better enjoining you at the US Marshalls Service International Investigations
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Speaker 1: Branch brand also author a flying solo Top of the
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Speaker 1: World on Amazon. Because did you hear trust Chuck? She
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Speaker 1: had that detail she flipped her part. I did not
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Speaker 1: notice that. But you're right, And why all the changing
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Speaker 1: the appearance or Brandt jump in, Well, it's just like
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Speaker 1: you were saying that she's going to change her appearance
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Speaker 1: to match the passport photo as closely as she can
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Speaker 1: when when she traveled out of the country. Then, of
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Speaker 1: course a fugitive wants to change their appearance of people
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Speaker 1: who are looking for a blonde or a redhead, then
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Speaker 1: of course you dye your hair and part your hair
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Speaker 1: differently and maybe not carry the yoga man on your back.
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Speaker 1: She obviously didn't do that because they found her in
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Speaker 1: a yoga studio. You know, what we're talking about is
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Speaker 1: the fact that in the last days, the so called
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Speaker 1: killer yoga teacher, this glamorous yoga teacher that had her
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Speaker 1: own studio in Texas, also we find out was a
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Speaker 1: real estate broker, disappears after murdering, according to prosecutors, her
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Speaker 1: love rival all over a cheating boyfriend. That said, the
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Speaker 1: chameleon aspect of her personality is coming forward yet again.
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Speaker 1: Not only did she change her appearance to go on
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Speaker 1: the run, but now in court again. And I have
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Speaker 1: to wonder the motivation. She's currently being held in Travis
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Speaker 1: County Jail at three point five million dollar bond, but
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Speaker 1: why was she in court? Listen to this our friends
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Speaker 1: at kx A N Well, we heard from Armstrong's attorneys
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Speaker 1: for the first time today. They are poking holes in
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Speaker 1: the Austin Police Department's investigation and again they did ask
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Speaker 1: for a speedy trial. Today after Armstrong pleaded not guilty,
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Speaker 1: the judge did not allow cameras inside of the courtroom
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Speaker 1: to capture Armstrong walking in wearing a striped jail outfit
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Speaker 1: with that altered short brown hair we've seen in more
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Speaker 1: recent mug shot photos. A speedy trial demand. Oh, let
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Speaker 1: me tell you what that means. First, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Grace reader k x AN. The state said they've
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Speaker 1: gotten more than a hundred murder trials backlogged right now
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Speaker 1: because of the pandemic, and said it seemed privileged to
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Speaker 1: send Armstrong to the front of the queue. Armstrong's attorneys disagreed.
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Speaker 1: What you saw in that courtroom today was illuminating. Miss
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Speaker 1: Armstrong wants her day in court. She wants a trial,
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Speaker 1: and you heard of the district attorney threatened sanctions over
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Speaker 1: her desire free trial. As a matter of course, cases
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Speaker 1: should not be indicted if prosecutors are not prepared to proceed.
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Speaker 1: That's what it means. Time Stories with Nancy Grace straight
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Speaker 1: out from the cold aboard hots Globe, high profile criminal
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Speaker 1: defense attorney joining us out of that jurisdiction Texas former prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: she said, Houston Criminal Defense dot com. Nicole as a prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: it would make me so angry when I would get
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Speaker 1: a demand for speedy trial. I'll tell you why, Just
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Speaker 1: like these prosecutors who got one hundred murder cases in
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Speaker 1: each courtroom. Let's see, at the time I was prosecuting,
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Speaker 1: there were twelve or eighteen superior court trial courts, and
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Speaker 1: there would be one lead prosecutor assigned to each courtroom,
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Speaker 1: and your duty was to move the cases, but fairly,
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Speaker 1: and to never have a high jail count. What's a
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Speaker 1: jail count? That means how many people are sitting in
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Speaker 1: jail waiting for trial while you twiddle your thumbs back
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Speaker 1: at the courthouse. No, as a matter of fact, Nicole,
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Speaker 1: you'll love this story. I had the oldest judge at
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Speaker 1: the courthouse, eighty seven, Luther Alverson. I loved him. He
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Speaker 1: wanted to prove he was fit as a fiddle, so
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Speaker 1: he would make me make sure we had the lowest
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Speaker 1: jail count. Every month, we would wait on pins and
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Speaker 1: needles when the jail count would come out, which means
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Speaker 1: I was on trial every other week to keep those
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Speaker 1: cases moving. So you got one hundred murders, let's just say,
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Speaker 1: two hundred rapes, one hundred child molestations. Who knows how
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Speaker 1: many drug lords you got to put away? And then
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Speaker 1: miss Thing jumps up and demands a speedy she just
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Speaker 1: got indicted. But once a speedy trial is is demanded
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Speaker 1: under our constitution. If you don't try the case within
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Speaker 1: that term, that grand jury term of X number of weeks,
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Speaker 1: then you have an automatic acquittal if you don't try
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Speaker 1: it on time. It's like a game show. If you
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Speaker 1: don't punch the button in time, you'll lose the whole pot.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's a huge problem right now, exactly as
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Speaker 1: you've described. But imagine all of what you've said compounded
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Speaker 1: with the COVID trial backlog, because many courts quite simply
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Speaker 1: could not get enough jurors or just could not get
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Speaker 1: into the courtroom. So you have people who are currently
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Speaker 1: languishing all over the state and really all over the
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Speaker 1: United States in jail waiting for their day trial, not
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Speaker 1: because somebody is trying to stall, but because there were
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Speaker 1: no resources to bring the past to trial. Well, as
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Speaker 1: I always said, I'm glad somebody has a dog joining
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Speaker 1: us today. I'm a dog lover guys a speedy trial demand.
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Speaker 1: When I would get one, I would always say, be
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Speaker 1: careful what you ask for, you will surely get it,
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Speaker 1: And I would put that trial number one, even if
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Speaker 1: it was the next week on the trial calendar, and
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Speaker 1: we would go to trial never lose a case because
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Speaker 1: of a speedy trial demand. And in this case, there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of intricate evidence. Everyone. For those
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Speaker 1: of you just joining us, a so called killer yoga
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Speaker 1: teacher in court in the last days demanding a speedy trial,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend, Grace Reader. Armstrong's attorneys
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Speaker 1: and the state argued about when she should go before
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Speaker 1: a jury. Miss Armstrong wants her day in court. She
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Speaker 1: wants a trial. Judge granted that request again. This trial
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Speaker 1: will happen in October. Armstrong's attorneys did not answer questions today,
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Speaker 1: but they did say that they believe APD did not
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Speaker 1: follow up on all leads, including one about Wilson's ex boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: We did reach out to the Austin Police Department. They
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Speaker 1: say they do not comment on pending litigation. I wonder
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Speaker 1: what that means. A lead about the ex boyfriend. I
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Speaker 1: guess we're all talking about Colin Strickland, the so called
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Speaker 1: cheating boyfriend. But hey, you know what, that's not a
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Speaker 1: felony to cheat. That means you got a bad boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: A lot of blame has been placed on him. He
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Speaker 1: was just a cheating boyfriend, not engaged not married, it
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Speaker 1: didn't break the law. So I guess what they're going
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Speaker 1: to try to do, doctor Sherry Schwartz. You're the forensics psychologist,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, author of Criminal Behaved. If your and
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Speaker 1: where a law and psychology intersect? And boy, do we
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Speaker 1: need a shrink, doctor Schwartz. So this is I guess
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Speaker 1: this game? Or you point the finger at everybody else
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Speaker 1: in the mix. Maybe they can make the jury dislike
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Speaker 1: the boyfriends so much they may think that he's somehow
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Speaker 1: responsible for murdering mo. Absolutely, that's probably very much the strategy,
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Speaker 1: right if they can. They may think that if they
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Speaker 1: can successfully get the public and the jury to really
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Speaker 1: dislike Colin Strickland, that maybe they'll blame him. But unless
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Speaker 1: there's evidence to support that he actually had anything to
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Speaker 1: do with Mariah Wilson's murder, that's going to fall flap.
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Speaker 1: I could see a defense being formulated where she the
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Speaker 1: yoga teacher, Kaitlin Armstrong, think about this, Jackie Sidney, listen
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Speaker 1: to this. What do you think? I'm just trying it out.
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Speaker 1: I certainly don't want to give the defense any ideas,
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Speaker 1: but they've got their client caught on video going around
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Speaker 1: and around the home where Mariah is murdered. In her
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Speaker 1: friend's place. They see her going around and around on
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Speaker 1: video surveillance from the neighborhood. Then they find Mariah dead
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom, obviously cornered. In the bathroom. They find
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Speaker 1: the murder weapon at yoga teacher's place that she shared
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Speaker 1: with the boyfriend. The boyfriend had bought the gun previously,
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Speaker 1: he says, for her, So it's his gun found at
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Speaker 1: his place, and she has the excuse that she was
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Speaker 1: angry jealous. It's stalking them, following them, But that's not
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Speaker 1: a killer make Oh yeah, Oh I wish I hadn't
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Speaker 1: even said it. It's like I let this evil thought out. Hey, guys,
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Speaker 1: I could see that actually having a leg to stand on.
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Speaker 1: What about Nicole? I think it's a tough cell and
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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly why this defense team has asked
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Speaker 1: for a speedy trial in this case. It doesn't seem
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Speaker 1: like the kind of fact scenario that gets better with time.
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Speaker 1: Like fine wine, I think that this is going to
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Speaker 1: be a circumstance where they need to do what they
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Speaker 1: can quickly come together with a cohesive theory or what
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Speaker 1: do you think about that? Theory. I like it. I
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Speaker 1: think it's something to say. Yeah. I mean, they've got
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Speaker 1: to say suddenly and they got to blind somebody and
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Speaker 1: the gun is at his place. He bought the gun.
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Speaker 1: But is it real? Guys? Take a listen to Shannon
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Speaker 1: Ryan at Fox seven. After the hearing, Armstrong's attorney Rick Coffer,
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Speaker 1: pointed fingers at the Austin Police Department, accusing two officers
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Speaker 1: involved of being inexperienced in the department of quote seemingly
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Speaker 1: ignoring a tip that cast suspicion on someone else. The
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Speaker 1: police have a vested interest in paying a picture that
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Speaker 1: supports their initial assumptions and actions. Also in court Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: Armstrong's sister or passport was recovered at the Costa Rican
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Speaker 1: hostel Armstrong stayed in after fleeing the United States. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll say the defense shaping up right now, Alexa Stress
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Speaker 1: shut climb Online dot Com investigative reporter. They're gonna blame
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend, the cheating boyfriend, Colin Strickland. They're going to
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Speaker 1: blame the cops, as in O. J. Simpson's case, Climbing
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Speaker 1: there was some big conspiracy to frame a beloved football star.
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Speaker 1: Blame the boyfriend, blame the cops and blame the sister
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Speaker 1: not for the murder, but for what sticking her passport
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Speaker 1: and the yoga teacher's belongings to make it looked like
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Speaker 1: the yoga teacher didn't actually use that passport to travel.
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Speaker 1: But great the boyfriend, he did not disappear, He didn't
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Speaker 1: fulee the country under his siblings passport. She is the
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Speaker 1: one that good he met with the police repeatedly. He
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Speaker 1: talks of in fact, was hiding out from her from
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Speaker 1: Caitlin because he was so afraid of her. And it
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Speaker 1: wasn't He didn't turn her in or anything. This came
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Speaker 1: as a tip from someone else. He isn't even the
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Speaker 1: one that planted the idea with the cops. He didn't say, well,
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Speaker 1: blash my girlfriend, maybe murder the girl I was cheating
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Speaker 1: on her with. This was a friend of hers called
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Speaker 1: the police and said, look, she's been talking crazy about
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Speaker 1: this lady for a couple of months now. She's really
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Speaker 1: obsessed with her because the boyfriends, because they had been
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Speaker 1: together months earlier, and he didn't disappear, He didn't hide
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Speaker 1: in Costa Rica pretending to be an asserting accident. You
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Speaker 1: know another thing that's gonna help her the yoga teacher.
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Speaker 1: To see this is hri case. I think you don't
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Speaker 1: only get your case ready, you anticipate what the other
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Speaker 1: side is going to do and you think of ways
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Speaker 1: to destroy it. Another thing that could help Caitlin Armstrong,
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Speaker 1: the yoga teacher, is that he was lying that night
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Speaker 1: about being with Maria in texts. What he was doing
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Speaker 1: I think was lying because he wanted to get romantic
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Speaker 1: with Maria and he didn't want Caitlin the yoga's teacher
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Speaker 1: to find out. They could paint it as if he
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Speaker 1: were lying because he was planning to or did kill her.
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Speaker 1: Now I think the forensics are going to show something
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Speaker 1: entirely different. When we see the pings on their phones,
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Speaker 1: the nav system on their cars, I think it's going
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Speaker 1: to show the cheating boyfriend went home straight from Mariah's
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Speaker 1: place and was there alone, and that kill our yoga teacher,
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong was back at Mariah's committing murder. So now
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Speaker 1: we have the yoga teacher, fresh off hiding out in
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Speaker 1: Costa Rica, in court demanding a speedy trial. Listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut eighty two Flock seven. There is a lot
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Speaker 1: more to this story than has yet been heard. We
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Speaker 1: will file motions challenging this investigation and challenging the conduct
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Speaker 1: of the Austin Police Department. Right now, it's unclear if
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Speaker 1: Armstrong and our attorneys will return to court before that
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Speaker 1: jury trial that was the subject of intense debate today,
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Speaker 1: because again that trial least so soon, it's just three
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Speaker 1: months away. And also from Rick Kaffer, he is Caitlin
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Speaker 1: Armstrong's defense attorney. Listen, but we have some questions. Why
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Speaker 1: did the Austin Police Department seemingly ignore a tied about
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Speaker 1: the former boyfriend of miss Wilson. Why did the Austin
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Speaker 1: Police Department present inaccurate and misleading information to a judge
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Speaker 1: when seeking an arrest warrant of Miss Armstrong. Did the
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Speaker 1: inexperience of two key officers assigned to this case play
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Speaker 1: a role in its apparent misshandling who vandalized the home
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Speaker 1: of Caitlin Armstrong and Colin Strickland the knight of Wilson's death?
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Speaker 1: And why we see exactly where the defense is headed.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know what their game is, what they're
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Speaker 1: playing at, but I remember of the many things I
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Speaker 1: learned from our elected district attorney, mister Slatton, never be
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Speaker 1: to the press because now they've basically laid out their
23:05
Speaker 1: whole strategy. If I can figure it out right here
23:08
Speaker 1: in this studio, you don't think the prosecution has figured
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Speaker 1: it out. And now they're going to be working day
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Speaker 1: and night to refute the claim. They're really giving the
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Speaker 1: other side their playbook. Guys, let's go speaking of the prosecution,
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Speaker 1: what are they doing right now? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut eighty eight, our forensic climb online. Prosecutors in
23:31
Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong's murder trial have applied for a subpoena for
23:35
Speaker 1: Armstrong's medical records. When Armstrong returned to the US from
23:38
Speaker 1: Costa Rica, she was taken to Saint Joseph Medical Center
23:41
Speaker 1: in Houston. The subpoena includes a request for emergency room records,
23:46
Speaker 1: EMS reports, blood tests, CT scans, and blood alcohol content.
23:51
Speaker 1: The request may be related to accusations that Armstrong had
23:54
Speaker 1: a nose job during her days as a fugitive. When
23:57
Speaker 1: Armstrong was taken into custom to US marshals and she
24:00
Speaker 1: had a bandage on her nose, the yoga instructor claimed
24:03
Speaker 1: the injury was from a surfing accident, but investigators found
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Speaker 1: a receipt for six thousand dollars in plastic surgery made
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Speaker 1: out to another name in her possession. Joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forsicks, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
24:17
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24:21
Speaker 1: on iHeart Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Jo Scott,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of these medical tests they're having
24:28
Speaker 1: performed on the yoga teacher. Yeah, it's kind of like
24:30
Speaker 1: looking at the rings of a tree. If you cut
24:32
Speaker 1: it down, you can go back in time and see
24:34
Speaker 1: what has happened relative to her. You know, Costa Rica
24:39
Speaker 1: is known as kind of a medical destination if you
24:44
Speaker 1: want to get these kind of procedures done. See, I
24:46
Speaker 1: didn't know that. I thought it was all about sloth
24:49
Speaker 1: trails and volcanoes. No, you go there and you know
24:53
Speaker 1: you can pick up I mean, check it out. You know,
24:55
Speaker 1: she's allegedly allegedly gone and gotten a nose job. You
25:00
Speaker 1: know some of the imaging that they're gonna do, you know,
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Speaker 1: relative to these reports that they've requested, like if a
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Speaker 1: surgeon has gone in and has adjusted say the bony
25:11
Speaker 1: structures and the nose or cartilage or anything. You're gonna
25:14
Speaker 1: be able to pick that up. But they're gonna get
25:16
Speaker 1: a radiologist. They're gonna get a guy that reads reads
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Speaker 1: X rays, and they're gonna put them up on a board,
25:22
Speaker 1: and not just the X rays, but any any other
25:24
Speaker 1: kind of imaging, and they're gonna be able to parse
25:27
Speaker 1: this out, if you will, and they'll be able to
25:29
Speaker 1: take a look at it. And it's gonna be quite fascinating.
25:32
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you one more thing that's fascinating
25:36
Speaker 1: about this is they're talking about, you know, well, what
25:38
Speaker 1: do they have? What do they have the defense I
25:42
Speaker 1: can tell you something very specifically about what they have.
25:46
Speaker 1: Mole was murdered on the eleventh. Okay, did you know
25:52
Speaker 1: that by the time, I guess it was the seventeenth.
25:57
Speaker 1: The seventeenth, the crime lab had already matched up, had
26:03
Speaker 1: already matched up the shell casings and said that within
26:07
Speaker 1: a reasonable certainty that those shell casings came from that
26:11
Speaker 1: sixth hour that Strickland specifically bought for her, and that
26:15
Speaker 1: she had gone back and apparently placed it back in
26:18
Speaker 1: the house. So this is a weapon that he had bought.
26:21
Speaker 1: I think it was in like January for her. He
26:23
Speaker 1: had bought one back in December, and so her weapon
26:27
Speaker 1: is the one that was used, and the Department of
26:29
Speaker 1: Public Safety has tied that back to that specific weapon.
26:32
Speaker 1: They're going to have a hard time climbing up this hill.
26:35
Speaker 1: But again, he bought the weapon. He says the weapon
26:39
Speaker 1: was for her. It's his weapon. I'm just putting it
26:42
Speaker 1: out there because I know that's where they're headed. But
26:44
Speaker 1: I got to ask you a question about how I
26:47
Speaker 1: can look at a catskin and determined if someone had
26:51
Speaker 1: a surfboard accident and broke their nose as opposed to
26:56
Speaker 1: having plastic surgery. Jes Scott, Oh, yeah, yeah, well if okay,
27:00
Speaker 1: let's think about the surfboard premise. You know, if they're
27:03
Speaker 1: putting forward, that would be what we would call blunt
27:06
Speaker 1: force trauma. All right, So that means you've got the
27:08
Speaker 1: board with the leading edge probably slapping in to the
27:13
Speaker 1: bridge of her nose if you will. Okay, So that's
27:15
Speaker 1: going to cause very ununiformed trauma. If a surgeon has
27:21
Speaker 1: gone in there and they've used their tools. Remember these
27:23
Speaker 1: people are highly trained. I mean jagged, it won't look
27:26
Speaker 1: even jagged, it will be very jagged. If it's blunt
27:29
Speaker 1: force trauma. It's non specific. Surgeons are not non specific,
27:33
Speaker 1: all right. They create these little neat margins when they
27:36
Speaker 1: go in, and anybody that has any radiology training they
27:40
Speaker 1: can look at that and say, nah, this is in
27:42
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma. This is something that one of our
27:45
Speaker 1: colleagues down the road has done at some point in time. Yeah,
27:48
Speaker 1: they's going to have to show the x rays what
27:53
Speaker 1: it would have looked like if it had been a
27:55
Speaker 1: surfboard accident as opposed to the neat em precise maneuverings
28:02
Speaker 1: of a plastic surgeon. And also they've got to get
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Speaker 1: down to Costa Rica and find the plastic surgeon. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they've got the receipt. It shouldn't be that hard. Hey
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Speaker 1: or Brandt joining me former US Marshall Service, International Investigations
28:16
Speaker 1: Branch author a flying solo Top of the World on Amazon.
28:21
Speaker 1: He's at or Brandt dot com ARV. Please don't get
28:25
Speaker 1: Alexis and I well forget her. Don't get me wrong.
28:29
Speaker 1: I'm not interested and her hair color, or her makeup
28:34
Speaker 1: or her nose job fashion means nothing to me. The
28:39
Speaker 1: reason I'm interested is it shows just like when Scott
28:43
Speaker 1: Peterson dyed his hair and went on the run, or
28:46
Speaker 1: serial killer Margaret Rude and the black widow changed her
28:50
Speaker 1: appearance and lived a double life on the other side
28:52
Speaker 1: of the country after murdering her husband. I mean, it
28:54
Speaker 1: goes on and on. I'm interested because it shows me
28:59
Speaker 1: deceit flight. Of course, a prosecutor can't get it charged
29:04
Speaker 1: to a jury from the judge about flight indicating a guilt,
29:07
Speaker 1: but it can still be argued to a jury. I
29:10
Speaker 1: mean er, if a state trooper comes up behind me
29:14
Speaker 1: and I'm going eighty miles an hour, i may tap
29:16
Speaker 1: on the brakes, but I'm certainly not going to take
29:19
Speaker 1: off and hide out in Costa Rica. So why did she?
29:23
Speaker 1: It's evidence of guilt. Hence the nose job, cutting the hair,
29:28
Speaker 1: the dyeing the hair, the hiding out, all of that
29:32
Speaker 1: shows evidence of guilt. Help me earth, oh, Craig, Nancy,
29:37
Speaker 1: And like you said, there's evidence to be gathered in
29:42
Speaker 1: Costa Rica, maybe interviewing the doctor, obtaining the medical records.
29:48
Speaker 1: The United States has a extradition treaty with Costa Rica,
29:53
Speaker 1: and that's important when it comes to evidence gathering because
29:58
Speaker 1: the prosecutors in this case in Austin can put in
30:02
Speaker 1: a request through the Office of International Affairs for bilateral
30:06
Speaker 1: requests through the Treaty to collect evidence and have it
30:10
Speaker 1: brought back to the United States, which, like you said,
30:15
Speaker 1: would prove flight to avoid prosecution. They also have evidence
30:22
Speaker 1: that is just now being developed regarding the so called
30:26
Speaker 1: killer yoga teachers, movements and actions. While on the lamp,
30:32
Speaker 1: what if anything do they prove? Take a listener out
30:35
Speaker 1: seventy three. Our friends at GMA Police say Armstrong considered
30:39
Speaker 1: Wilson a love rival, believing Wilson was involved with a
30:42
Speaker 1: man that Armstrong was seeing. Authority say days after Wilson's death,
30:46
Speaker 1: Armstrong fled on a series of flights, eventually arriving in
30:50
Speaker 1: Costa Rica using someone else's passport and possibly even getting
30:54
Speaker 1: a nose job to change her appearance. Once there, they
30:58
Speaker 1: say she began taking yoga classes using multiple aliases. She
31:02
Speaker 1: really was going to these yoga studios and taking those
31:05
Speaker 1: classes to where we believe she was trying to become
31:08
Speaker 1: some type of instructors. Yeah, there's some talk of surf yoga,
31:14
Speaker 1: So we're learning now about the aliases, her nose job,
31:18
Speaker 1: of movements in Costa Rica. But take a listen to
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Speaker 1: this guy on GMA. Zachary Paulson says he was at
31:26
Speaker 1: the hostel where Armstrong was staying when Costa Rican police
31:30
Speaker 1: detained her asking about how to get around cheaper, and
31:35
Speaker 1: then the police came among Armstrong's belongings. Authorities say they
31:39
Speaker 1: found a receipt for cosmetic surgery with someone else's name
31:42
Speaker 1: and her sister's passport, but also several of Armstrong's real documents,
31:47
Speaker 1: her passport, social Security card, and COVID vaccination car. So
31:52
Speaker 1: we're learning, especially from this guy Zachary Paulson, about her
31:57
Speaker 1: plans to live on the run in Costa Rica. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen now to our friends at k v UE
32:05
Speaker 1: party of the US Marshall's Service. While in Costa La
32:08
Speaker 1: Costa Rica, Kavin Armstrong was using aliases like Beth Martin
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Speaker 1: at the hostel she was staying at, along with signing
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Speaker 1: in for yoga classes. We also learned that to get
32:18
Speaker 1: to Costa Rica and Maya teen, she flew out a
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Speaker 1: new Ark International Airport a day after a murder warrant
32:24
Speaker 1: was issued for her, accusing her of killing annam Riah Wilson.
32:27
Speaker 1: US Marshall's Service says that she was using a fraudulent
32:30
Speaker 1: passport not belonging to her, It belonged to someone closely
32:33
Speaker 1: associated with her. We learned that to get to Costa Rica,
32:38
Speaker 1: she flew out of Newark. That's going to be caught
32:41
Speaker 1: on camera. There was a lot of confusion about where
32:45
Speaker 1: she went, how she got there, and what name under
32:49
Speaker 1: what name she was traveling? What more do we know
32:52
Speaker 1: about her life on the run in Costa Rica? Take
32:55
Speaker 1: a listen now Friends at KUE While in Costa Rica
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Speaker 1: US Marshall Service she used three aliases, Beth Martin, Liz
33:03
Speaker 1: and Ari Martin. It was also discovered that Kaylin Armstrong
33:06
Speaker 1: had changed her appearance and a receipt for plastic surgery
33:09
Speaker 1: and passports were found in a lockbox at a hostel
33:12
Speaker 1: she was staying at. We believe strongly, based upon our investigation,
33:17
Speaker 1: that she was trying to really enhance her yoga instruction
33:21
Speaker 1: with some type of yoga at a retreat to where
33:24
Speaker 1: she was going to specialize in some type of surf yoga.
33:27
Speaker 1: So she was really educating herself. Time stories with Nancy
33:43
Speaker 1: Grace do you a code aboard Hutch Club? High profile
33:50
Speaker 1: lawyer are joining us out of the Texas jurisdiction. How
33:54
Speaker 1: does all this factor in to the trial, what we're
33:58
Speaker 1: learning about her changing appearance and her movements in Costa Rica,
34:04
Speaker 1: How will the state and or the defense use these
34:07
Speaker 1: facts at trial. We're not just passing the time of
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Speaker 1: a day like we're playing a game of canasta. All
34:13
Speaker 1: of this is evidence that, once marshalled, can be used
34:19
Speaker 1: at trial. How absolutely this is such a huge gift
34:22
Speaker 1: to the prosecution in the case where if the defense
34:26
Speaker 1: is right, they still may be putting some of the
34:28
Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle together. But what they do know
34:31
Speaker 1: is that this woman, who they have circumstantial at least
34:35
Speaker 1: evidence to connect her to the crime, immediately went through
34:39
Speaker 1: some fairly complicated machinations to get out of the country,
34:43
Speaker 1: did quite a lot to change her appearance, and even
34:47
Speaker 1: started trying to gather up the resources to begin what
34:51
Speaker 1: seems like a new life in a foreign country. And
34:54
Speaker 1: all of this is relevant when it might not otherwise
34:58
Speaker 1: be relevant in a case because it goes to show
35:01
Speaker 1: consciousness of guilt. And so what that means is that
35:06
Speaker 1: the judge wouldn't normally let evidence in about things that
35:10
Speaker 1: really weren't connected to the actual moments of the crime.
35:14
Speaker 1: Or the crime itself. But what the laws and rules
35:18
Speaker 1: of evidence say is is that if you have actions
35:22
Speaker 1: that immediately follow or follow closely to the facts of
35:27
Speaker 1: the crime that's alleged, that show that you're aware that
35:31
Speaker 1: you need to be escaping or leaving or have consciousness
35:34
Speaker 1: of your guilt, that that will be relevant and can
35:38
Speaker 1: come before a jury. So this is a huge gift
35:41
Speaker 1: to the prosecution, unfortunately for the defense, and the defense
35:45
Speaker 1: is going to have to marshal their resources to try
35:48
Speaker 1: to keep it out or to dispute it. Guys, I
35:51
Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut sixty four.
35:54
Speaker 1: This is Lisa Guerrero from Inside Addition, and from it
35:59
Speaker 1: we learn that the so called killer yoga teacher, just
36:03
Speaker 1: a glamorous yoga teacher, seemingly with everything that anyone would
36:09
Speaker 1: want in life, helped beauty a great practice. She had
36:15
Speaker 1: a long term plan for life after murder. Listen us
36:21
Speaker 1: Marshalls say Armstrong was trying to build a new life
36:25
Speaker 1: in the remote beach town. It looks that, you know,
36:27
Speaker 1: she retreated back to her you know, her hobby, her
36:30
Speaker 1: career being in the yoga practice. We believe that she
36:34
Speaker 1: was trying to learn some type of new yoga, possibly
36:36
Speaker 1: to instruct up these stairs here as the yoga deck
36:40
Speaker 1: where they do yoga here. What kinds of things did
36:42
Speaker 1: she do to her appearance? She cropped her hair about
36:46
Speaker 1: shoulderly and she died at dark brown. Before we get
36:49
Speaker 1: too wrapped up in her hair color and her nose job,
36:53
Speaker 1: let's harken back to what this case is really about.
36:57
Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, let's talk about the
37:02
Speaker 1: way that this young woman, Mariah Wilson Moe was found dead,
37:09
Speaker 1: cornered in a bathroom, murdered. Hit it. Yeah, she's you know,
37:15
Speaker 1: you walk into the scene and trust me, when they
37:18
Speaker 1: went in and she's in a bathroom, all right, her bathroom,
37:22
Speaker 1: and it gives you the impression at least and that
37:25
Speaker 1: she's retreated, you know, to this location. Perhaps she came
37:29
Speaker 1: to the door unaware of what's going to happen. There's
37:32
Speaker 1: no sign, you know, when when they got there, that
37:35
Speaker 1: there's any evidence of forced entry in this environment. There's
37:38
Speaker 1: no sign of, say, for instance, a struggle. Well, what
37:41
Speaker 1: does that imply? Well, I think that one of the
37:43
Speaker 1: things that you can kind of, you know, walk away
37:45
Speaker 1: with is that somebody's got a gun in your face
37:49
Speaker 1: at that point in time, how do you get somebody
37:51
Speaker 1: to comply like this? You know, you've got this woman
37:54
Speaker 1: that's raging. She shows up, she's got a handgun and
37:56
Speaker 1: you know, and she's wielding it and she directs you
37:58
Speaker 1: back to that bathroom or she's retreated there out of fear,
38:02
Speaker 1: and she's captured. In that moment, there's nowhere to run,
38:05
Speaker 1: and at that point in time, she starts to fire
38:07
Speaker 1: rounds off at this young woman and she's going to
38:10
Speaker 1: be dead right there on the spot. The upside, if
38:13
Speaker 1: there can be relative to forensics here is that everything
38:18
Speaker 1: in that environment is contained. That is that when you
38:21
Speaker 1: go into that environment, you can pick up on blood
38:24
Speaker 1: evidence she can pick up. Remember we talked about the
38:26
Speaker 1: casings just a little while ago. All that stuffs contained
38:29
Speaker 1: because the perpetrator did not take the time to pick
38:32
Speaker 1: these casings up after they went into the bathroom and
38:36
Speaker 1: shut these rounds into her body. To doctor Sherry Schwartz,
38:39
Speaker 1: joining US forensics psychologists specializing in criminal behavior, Doctor Sherry Schwartz,
38:47
Speaker 1: a grown woman that cannot control her impulse impulses driven
38:54
Speaker 1: by rage, the desire to possess the boy friend, anger, obsession.
39:04
Speaker 1: Mariah was shot. This twenty five year old girl was
39:07
Speaker 1: shot multiple times while cornered in the bathroom. What does
39:13
Speaker 1: that tell you, Well, there's there's a couple of things there.
39:18
Speaker 1: One of the things that we don't diagnose very often,
39:21
Speaker 1: but it is becoming more and more recognized, is obsessive
39:24
Speaker 1: love disorder, right where this person has a constant need
39:27
Speaker 1: for validation from the person they love. They are obsessively
39:31
Speaker 1: keeping track of this person. They ignore personal boundaries, they're
39:36
Speaker 1: controlling extreme jealousy. It could also be accompanied by, or
39:42
Speaker 1: in place of, borderline personality disorder, which is actually very
39:47
Speaker 1: similar that the manifestations would be very very similar, just
39:50
Speaker 1: that with borderline personality disorder, you it's more observable, the
39:55
Speaker 1: extreme emotional swings, chronic feelings of emptiness, explosive anger, and
40:00
Speaker 1: it all culminates in an unarmed woman being shot multiple times.
40:07
Speaker 1: So is this for real? Alexis trust We're going to
40:10
Speaker 1: trial in October. That's what her attorney wants. He says,
40:14
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to sit in jail. She wants to go.
40:16
Speaker 1: She has She's ready to say that. Everybody else did
40:18
Speaker 1: it accept her? Well? I've got my seat belt buckled.
40:22
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye,