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UUJP Ep 151- Alan Dershowitz Unfiltered: Epstein Files, Trump's Third Term & Corrupt Judges5-29-26 · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's personal attorney, Alan Durschwitz, the famed attorney. He's
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Speaker 1: the man who sat with him, talked with him, knew
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Speaker 1: every secret. Well, he's talking to me right now, and
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Speaker 1: what he just said about Donald Trump changes everything you
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Speaker 1: think you know about this case. Simple question I've got, professor,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know what the answer is or why.
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Speaker 1: The answer isn't very easy. Why don't we just release everything,
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Speaker 1: everything's out there. Let's protect the victims. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to see the videos, obviously, but let's just put it
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Speaker 1: all out there in the ether, and let's stop pretending
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Speaker 1: this is a political football.
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Speaker 2: Why can't we I agree with you. First, there or
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Speaker 2: no videos. I wish there were. I had hoped that
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Speaker 2: there'd be a videotape of every single bedroom, in every
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Speaker 2: single room in the ass right, and it would prove
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Speaker 2: do anything wrong. In fact, from day one when I
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Speaker 2: was accused, I said, I hope there are videotapes. I
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Speaker 2: hear by wave and he writes the videotapes. I wave,
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Speaker 2: and he writes to emails. I wave and he writes.
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Speaker 2: You know, if you're innocent, if you didn't do anything wrong,
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Speaker 2: you have nothing to fear by everything coming out. The
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Speaker 2: only people who should be protected are miners. Remember that
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Speaker 2: the cast of women. There are four categories of women,
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Speaker 2: the minders, the real victims, Those are real victims. Then
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Speaker 2: there are the twenty five year olds who came back
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Speaker 2: over and over again for two hundred and fifty dollars.
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Speaker 2: They weren't victims, they were you know, transactional. They wanted
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Speaker 2: two hundred fifty dollars. Then there's the third of those
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Speaker 2: people who then became pimps, who then went out and
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Speaker 2: procured other young women. And there are several of those.
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Speaker 2: And then finally, the most interesting group of people, women
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Speaker 2: who never met Epstein. Their lawyers just said to them,
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Speaker 2: you want fifty thousand dollars, all you have to do
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Speaker 2: is make a claim, and they made up stories. So
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Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of truth, a lot of falsity,
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Speaker 2: and the best way to respond is let it all
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Speaker 2: hang out, get everything out there. Nobody deserves, you know.
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Speaker 2: It's so interesting. There's a debate now about whether Joe
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Speaker 2: Biden as president should have his privacy protected when he
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Speaker 2: was giving a deposition. Do we really care about the
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Speaker 2: president's privacy, the privacy of everybody else has been violated
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Speaker 2: by the release of the of these Epstein emails. But
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Speaker 2: you know that's the price you pay when there's a
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Speaker 2: public interest in something. So everything ought to be out.
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's deposition ought to be out, Every deposition or
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Speaker 2: to be open, except if they involve minor victims.
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Speaker 1: He's got a brand new book. It's called Could President
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Speaker 1: Trump Constitutionally Serve a Third term? It's Professor Ellen Derschwitz. Also,
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Speaker 1: she got the drst Show and follow him Ellen dersh
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Speaker 1: over on X. When it comes to Epstein, the lies
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Speaker 1: from the left are just mind boggling. If President Trump
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Speaker 1: were implicated at all, they would have redacted everything except
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Speaker 1: his name, and they would have released it during the
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Speaker 1: four years of Biden. What we also know is they're
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Speaker 1: trying to suppress the fact that Donald Trump, the citizen
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Speaker 1: told the authorities in early two thousands, you got to
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Speaker 1: do something about this guy. He's doing really bad things.
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Speaker 1: We also know that he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of
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Speaker 1: mar A Lago. So the left keeps on pretending that
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Speaker 1: the Epstein implication on Trump is the reason why we
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Speaker 1: don't see everything. What are your thoughts on that.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not only thus I have evidence. I have evidence.
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Speaker 2: I actually asked Jeffrey Epstein if Trump was involved, and
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Speaker 2: I said to him, if you can pin anything on
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, on Bill Clinton, on anybody famous, I can
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Speaker 2: get you a better deal. That's what criminal defense lawyers
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Speaker 2: do all the time. They stay to clience. You know.
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Speaker 2: I used to say to my criminal law class, if
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Speaker 2: you're going to commit crimes, commit it always with somebody
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Speaker 2: more important than you, so you can turn them in
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Speaker 2: and they can't turn you in. So you know, if
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Speaker 2: Epstein had anything on Trump, the first thing you would
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Speaker 2: have done was told me his lawyer to help him
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Speaker 2: get a better deal. Because he was furious of the deal,
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Speaker 2: you know, they called the sweetheart deal. He fired me.
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Speaker 2: He wouldn't pay my fee. He said it was the
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Speaker 2: worst deal ever. He told whatdy, Allen, I was the
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Speaker 2: worst lawyer ever because I made him go to jail.
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Speaker 2: I made a deal that required him to spend eighteen
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Speaker 2: months in jail. But if he had on Trump or
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Speaker 2: Clinton or anybody important, obviously he would have told.
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Speaker 1: It is Alan Dershowitz of course drsh dot substack dot
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Speaker 1: com as the website as well. Check out his new
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Speaker 1: book called good President Trump constitutionally serve a third term.
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Speaker 1: This is going to be a political football for the midterms.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear Epstein thirty times a day and twice
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. You're going to see this going into the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight election. How do we make this go away?
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Speaker 1: How do we make the American public understand we now
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Speaker 1: know everything there is to know about Epstein? Let's move
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Speaker 1: on because we're all we all still feel like we're
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Speaker 1: in the dark.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it has been mishandled by everybody right
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Speaker 2: from the beginning. Everything should have been disclosed. There are
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Speaker 2: judges who were at full judges who have refused to
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Speaker 2: disclose material. We've asked judges who opened the material open
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Speaker 2: the files because I want to have all the evidence
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Speaker 2: out there. But some judges have said no. Some prosecutors
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Speaker 2: have said no. And I don't know why some of
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Speaker 2: the stuff you know, just recently came out. It should
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Speaker 2: have come out years and years and years ago. So
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Speaker 2: I think the only way to put this behind us
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Speaker 2: is by releasing everything but the names and identities of
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Speaker 2: anybody who was under the age of eighteen when they
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Speaker 2: allege these events. Occurred.
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Speaker 1: There's been some information that Galli Maxwell would like to
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Speaker 1: get out. She wants your sentence commuted to get a pardon.
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Speaker 1: Then she'll turn state's evidence and she'll tell everything that
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Speaker 1: she knows about everything. Would that be a good move
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Speaker 1: by the Trump administration?
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Speaker 2: It would be. It would be. First of all, she
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Speaker 2: got way, way, way too high a sentence for what
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Speaker 2: she is accused of doing. Second of all, she knows everything.
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Speaker 2: She's the one who made all the arrangements. She made
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Speaker 2: all the airplane arrangements. She was his major domo. She
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Speaker 2: ran his life in many ways during some of the
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Speaker 2: years at least, and if she were given immunity, she'd
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Speaker 2: have no reason to protect anybody. So she tell the
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Speaker 2: whole truth. But you know they don't want the truth.
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Speaker 2: I went on television and I looked in the eye
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Speaker 2: these phony congressmen Roe Connor and some of the others. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and I said, you want to have witness, call me.
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Speaker 2: I hit by way all my privileges. I'll tell you everything.
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Speaker 2: Call me. They won't call me because the last thing
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Speaker 2: they want is the truth, because the truth is largely nothing.
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Speaker 2: We know everything that's out there. And if they called
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Speaker 2: me as a witness, they would lose their ability to
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Speaker 2: keep saying there's more and more and more and more.
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Speaker 2: So the last thing they want is for me or
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Speaker 2: somebody like me to be a witness. And they don't
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Speaker 2: want Glaine Maxwell to be a witness because she'll say
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Speaker 2: everything and everything is largely nothing.
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Speaker 1: Well, they thought they were going to shut you up
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Speaker 1: when the accusation came out. You came in my show
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Speaker 1: almost the same day and you said, here's the fact,
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Speaker 1: I haven't been with anybody but my wife in decades
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Speaker 1: and decades. And then the woman ended up retracting what
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Speaker 1: she said, saying that she made a mistake. So you've
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Speaker 1: been cleared completely. Why not sit you down in the
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Speaker 1: witness chair and have you tell the truth that you
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Speaker 1: know what's the problem, because they don't want it to
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Speaker 1: go away. Alan, that's the deal. They want this to
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Speaker 1: be a thing.
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Speaker 2: I know that if I testify, it will be the end,
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Speaker 2: not the beginning, because and if Glainne Maxwell testifies, because
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Speaker 2: we'll tell between the two of us, we know a
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Speaker 2: great deal. Now. You know, I stopped my relationship with
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Speaker 2: Epstein around twenty ten, so I don't know what between
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Speaker 2: twenty ten and the time he either committed suicide or
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Speaker 2: was murdered. We still don't know that for sure, but
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Speaker 2: I know all the relevant time period when most of
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Speaker 2: this action occurred because I was his lawyer. I questioned
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Speaker 2: him about it, and I know everything about that. So
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Speaker 2: they don't want to They just don't want to hear it.
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Speaker 1: It is, Professor Allan Durschwitz. The new book is called
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Speaker 1: could President Trump constitutionally serve a third term? We'll get
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Speaker 1: into that in earnest In a second, I want to
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Speaker 1: talk about mail in ballots, and maybe even more broadly,
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Speaker 1: it isn't mentioned in the Constitution our right to vote.
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Speaker 1: It's not one of the Bill of Rights. We know
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Speaker 1: that you've got to be an American citizen to be
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Speaker 1: able to vote in our elections. Federally, for some reason,
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Speaker 1: local municipalities and states are changing that where you can
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Speaker 1: vote if you're here illegally, if you're not a citizen.
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Speaker 1: They're giving driver's licenses to everybody. Professor, can you spell
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Speaker 1: out from my audience and from me the right, the privilege,
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Speaker 1: the duty, the responsibility to vote in the United States
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Speaker 1: of America, And how was it outlined by our founding fathers?
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Speaker 2: Well, the frantic fathers were terrible, and the issue voting.
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Speaker 2: Almost nobody voted when the estion was written. You had
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Speaker 2: to own property. In some jurisdictions, you had to be
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Speaker 2: a Protestant. You know, you hear a lot about America
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Speaker 2: being a Christian country. It was never a Christian country,
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Speaker 2: but it was sometimes a Protestant country. It was frulently
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Speaker 2: anti Catholic. You should read some of the letters between
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Speaker 2: Adams and Jefferson and what they say about Jesuits. Massachusetts
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Speaker 2: had a law saying if you harbor a Jesuit, you
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Speaker 2: go to prison, and if they catch a Jesuit priest,
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Speaker 2: they can execute them. The anti Cathology was rampant, except
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Speaker 2: in Georgia and maybe in Rhode Island, but in much
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Speaker 2: of the country. So when you hear that it's a
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Speaker 2: Christian country, always substitute the word Protestant for Christian. It
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Speaker 2: was a Baptist, Congregationalists, Unitarian. John Adams said, by the
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Speaker 2: end of the next century, everybody in America will be
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Speaker 2: buried as a Unitarian. Unitarianism, you know, they believe in
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Speaker 2: at most on God, and so you know, we are
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Speaker 2: a country that's been mixed right from the beginning and
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Speaker 2: then the beginning of the twentieth century, we became the diverse,
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Speaker 2: most heterogeneous country built on immigration. And you know, we're
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Speaker 2: a country of immigrants, but we're a country of legal immigrants.
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Speaker 2: And you can't have open borders when you have a
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Speaker 2: country of immigrants, and undercuts the rights of the people
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Speaker 2: who played by the rules. So I'm glad that the
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Speaker 2: administration is finally enforcing immigration laws and they're doing a
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Speaker 2: good job of closing the southern border.
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Speaker 1: Now I could agree more, but by what mechanism did
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Speaker 1: we get to twenty twenty six? And how we vote.
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Speaker 1: You've got to be a citizen to vote. We want
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Speaker 1: to Save America Act, which would be you got to
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Speaker 1: prove your citizen to birth certificate, whatever it happens to be, passport,
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Speaker 1: You've got to show your photo idea to go and vote.
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Speaker 1: I'm for all of that, But how do we get
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Speaker 1: here from only land owners could, from only protestants could,
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Speaker 1: from only men could to where we are in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six? Is there something in law that says this
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Speaker 1: is how we vot vote in this country?
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Speaker 2: A little bit? We can't prohibit women from voting. By
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Speaker 2: the way, there's a myth out there that women started
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Speaker 2: voting only when a constitutional amendment was passed. No women
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Speaker 2: were voting in state elections for years and years and
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Speaker 2: years before the constitutional amendment was passed, Like eighteen year
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Speaker 2: olds were voting in many elections before the constitutional The
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Speaker 2: Constitution prohibited any states from denying voting on the basis
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Speaker 2: of being a woman, being black, or being eighteen between
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Speaker 2: eighteen and twenty one. So it's been a great process.
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Speaker 2: But the consensus of Americans is that you have to
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Speaker 2: be constitutionally eligible and a citizen of the United States,
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Speaker 2: and if you're not a citizen, you're not an American.
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Speaker 2: You and particularly if you're a citizen of another country,
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Speaker 2: you own your loyalty to another country, and you're not
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Speaker 2: a citizen of the United States, there's no right to vote,
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Speaker 2: and there's no right to vote by mail in ballot. Now,
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Speaker 2: you know, you may be able to make an argument
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Speaker 2: plausibly that, and it should be if you're sick and
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Speaker 2: you can't get to the ballot box, if you're a
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Speaker 2: soldier and you're serving abroad, if you're an ambassador, all
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Speaker 2: of that, okay, But just because people are lazy and
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Speaker 2: would rather vote on a computer or vote from home.
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Speaker 2: We know that there are problems with that kind of voting,
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Speaker 2: and there's something inconsistent with the obligation of a citizen
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Speaker 2: to vote. I love going to the ballot, I love
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Speaker 2: talking to my neighbors. I love the signs that are held.
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Speaker 2: You have to hold them like twenty feet away. But no,
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Speaker 2: that's America. The idea that you lick a stamp and
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Speaker 2: vote and then who knows if your vote gets counted
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Speaker 2: or gets counted properly. That really raises a lot of
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Speaker 2: questions about the credibility of elections. So I'm in favor
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Speaker 2: of in person voting, except with reasonable basis for people
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Speaker 2: who can't do it.
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Speaker 1: You know, there are some states that only vote by mail,
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Speaker 1: like Washington State. It doesn't make any sense. We found
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Speaker 1: out in twenty twenty that Mark Zuckerberg paid half a
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Speaker 1: billion dollars to have these zucker boxes all over the
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Speaker 1: place that weren't sanctioned. They weren't by law. The legislatures
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Speaker 1: of the state didn't say yes, we'll accept them, but
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Speaker 1: then they accepted all of them, and then Professor, they said, well,
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Speaker 1: accept your ballot nine to fourteen days after election day, Well,
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Speaker 1: how did that happen? So a federal judge in the
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Speaker 1: last twenty four hours, as I'm sure you know, has
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Speaker 1: decided that he's not going to block President Trump's executive
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Speaker 1: order that says you can't do mail in ballots unless
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Speaker 1: the provisions, like you said, you're using an absentee ballot,
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Speaker 1: you prove who you are, you verify that it's actually you,
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Speaker 1: But you can't just have widespread mail in ballots. Will
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Speaker 1: this stand up to the Supreme Court muster if they
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Speaker 1: decided to take that on before the midterms.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And particularly in presidential elections, the Constitution basically says
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Speaker 2: that only the state legislature can determine criteria for voting. So,
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Speaker 2: for example, in Pennsylvania in the twenty and twenty election,
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Speaker 2: the courts allowed ballots to and after the legislature did right,
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Speaker 2: and that had made a difference. It didn't make a
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Speaker 2: difference in the county, but if it had made a difference,
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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court would have held that at constitutional.
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Speaker 1: It is Elan Derschwitz, of course, his steam professor. Go
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Speaker 1: to dirsh dot substock dot com, go to at Alan
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Speaker 1: Dershover on action get his new book called could President
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Speaker 1: Trump constitutionally serve a third term. If I'm in your
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Speaker 1: class profession and you asked me that question, my answer
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Speaker 1: would be no, tell me why I'm wrong.
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Speaker 2: Well, you'd get a C.
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Speaker 1: You're usually get me a's. I can't believe in getting
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Speaker 1: a seat today?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what if you said that? No, the answer is no.
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Speaker 2: The framers of the amendment made a big, big, either
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Speaker 2: a mistake or they did it purposely. They had a
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Speaker 2: whole bunch of possible wordings that he couldn't serve, he
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Speaker 2: couldn't act, he couldn't be president, and they rejected them
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Speaker 2: all and instead adopted couldn't be elected president. So there
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Speaker 2: are about seven ways in which a two term president
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Speaker 2: can serve a third term without being elected to it,
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Speaker 2: and I outlined them all in my book. I showed
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Speaker 2: the book to President Trump in the Oval Office a
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Speaker 2: few months ago, and he had a good laugh out
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Speaker 2: of it, and he basically said, yeah, it's too cute.
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Speaker 2: But I think he got a kick out of it.
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Speaker 2: And I think what he'd really like to say is, look,
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Speaker 2: here's sir Schwitz's book. I can serve, but I'm going
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Speaker 2: to be like George Washington. I'm not going to serve.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to let it go to the next generation.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be bigger than you know I could be,
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Speaker 2: so I can serve, but I'm not going to. I
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Speaker 2: think that would be as No.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. Most people don't know this. They
14:46
Speaker 1: were going to call George Washington, your highness, and he said,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a king, I am a president. I'm somebody
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Speaker 1: who just serves the people. And I think that President Trump,
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Speaker 1: you know, relating to that makes a lot of sense.
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Speaker 1: But let me just throw a couple of examples out.
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Speaker 1: Many people have said jend Vance can run for President Trump,
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Speaker 1: be the vice president nominee Vance resigns immediately after he
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Speaker 1: gets inaugurated, and then Trump becomes the president. Again, I
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Speaker 1: don't think that he can do that, but I'm getting
15:09
Speaker 1: the feeling that you think that he can, or maybe
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Speaker 1: he could be the Speaker of the House, and the
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Speaker 1: president and vice president could both resign and he would
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Speaker 1: become the president. Then as well, go ahead, Well.
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Speaker 2: The only way you can do it. You can't run
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Speaker 2: for vice president. Remember we together have president and vice president.
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Speaker 2: In the eighteen hundred election, they ran separately and Aaron
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Speaker 2: Burr and Thomas Jefferson tie and Alexander Hamilton essentially broke
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Speaker 2: the tie and gave the Thomas Jefferson, who he disagreed
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Speaker 2: with completely completely. But Porty was thought he was a
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Speaker 2: man of character, whereas Burr was not a man of character,
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Speaker 2: and he think he proved it by killing Hamilton. Eventually.
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Speaker 2: You can't run for vice president if you're ineligible to
15:48
Speaker 2: be president, but you can serve as You can be
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Speaker 2: appointed vice president the way Rockefeller was appointed vice president,
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Speaker 2: the way President Ford was appointed vice president, and then
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Speaker 2: you can ascend to the president and see upon the
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Speaker 2: death or resignation of the president. Or if you're the
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Speaker 2: Secretary of State or the secretary of Treasury, you can
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Speaker 2: become the Speaker of the House. You can become president.
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Speaker 2: So there are a variety of ways. What you can't
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Speaker 2: do is really you can't run for president, okay, and
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Speaker 2: you can't elect. You can't be elected president, but you
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Speaker 2: can serve as president.
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Speaker 1: Could President Trump constitutionally serve a third term? I cannot
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16:38
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16:43
Speaker 1: takes me to Don Lemon em betting himself with a
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Speaker 1: bunch of rioters who took over a church in Minneapolis
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Speaker 1: or in Saint Paul and pretending that he has some
16:52
Speaker 1: superhero powers because he's a journalist. Professor, I think we've
16:56
Speaker 1: overblown with the right to the freedom of the press
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson had a view
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Speaker 2: of the First Amendment. He helped to draft it along
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Speaker 2: with Madison and Hamilton and others. They never never intended
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Speaker 2: the First Amendment to give the media a license to
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Speaker 2: lie about people. But in New York Cerentis versus Sullivan.
18:29
Speaker 2: I was one of the walk clerks who helped write
18:31
Speaker 2: that opinion. If you're a public elected figure, if you're
18:35
Speaker 2: an elected public official, if you're the president, if you're
18:39
Speaker 2: the vice president, if you're a mayor, then you have
18:41
Speaker 2: to prove malice. But then the Supreme Court extended it
18:45
Speaker 2: to you and me, to ordinary people who are in
18:47
Speaker 2: the public light. And now we have to prove that
18:50
Speaker 2: it was malicious. Now you know, in my case, two
18:54
Speaker 2: journalists with together fifty years of experience heard me say
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Speaker 2: on videotape on the floor of the Senate that if
19:01
Speaker 2: a president commits any crime trees and bribery or other
19:04
Speaker 2: high crimes and misdemeanors, extortion, anything like that, they can
19:08
Speaker 2: be impeached. Then they go in the air and they say, well,
19:11
Speaker 2: Dershwood says, the president can't be impeached even if he
19:13
Speaker 2: commits crimes like murder, robbery. They did it deliberately, with malice,
19:19
Speaker 2: and yet the court found yes, I was defamed, Yes
19:22
Speaker 2: I was libel, Yes it was a lie. Yes they
19:25
Speaker 2: were stupid. Yes, all of that but I couldn't prove
19:30
Speaker 2: malice because I couldn't get into their head and I
19:32
Speaker 2: couldn't get them to admit on the witness stand that
19:35
Speaker 2: they knew or should have known, that what they were
19:38
Speaker 2: saying is Paul. So I'm hoping the Spring Court will
19:41
Speaker 2: take the case and will limit New York Times versus
19:43
Speaker 2: sulliv and not necessarily overrule it.
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Speaker 1: A CNN pretending that they just misunderstood you, because I mean,
19:50
Speaker 1: how else would do you report that if it's not
19:51
Speaker 1: malicious unless you're stupid and you misunderstood what Alan Dershwood said.
19:55
Speaker 2: Well, what the judge said is they were stupid. The
19:58
Speaker 2: judge said they was stupid. They couldn't a sentence together,
20:01
Speaker 2: they didn't know what they were talking about. But Dershowitz
20:03
Speaker 2: failed to prove that they actually knew that what he
20:07
Speaker 2: said he said, and it was the worst back on
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Speaker 2: CNN imaginable that a judge. That's why CNN has never
20:14
Speaker 2: talked about this case, even even when they won the
20:17
Speaker 2: motion to dismiss. They wouldn't talk about it because the
20:21
Speaker 2: judge's opinion was so terrible to them, saying that these
20:24
Speaker 2: were the stupidest commentators. The stupidest editors. They couldn't string
20:27
Speaker 2: a sentence together, they couldn't understand the sentence. The judge
20:30
Speaker 2: said that Dershowitz said nothing of the kind, and yet
20:34
Speaker 2: he found no malice. So we're asking the court to
20:37
Speaker 2: change the definition of malice and make it possible at
20:40
Speaker 2: least to sue people who deliberately lie in order to
20:45
Speaker 2: try to undercut you, which is exactly what CNN did.
20:48
Speaker 2: Cnnn banned me, won't allow me to be on The
20:52
Speaker 2: New York Times banned me in ninety secondary, why ban me?
20:55
Speaker 2: Temple Emmanuel banned me. You know I've been banned. Thank
20:58
Speaker 2: you for having me on your show. But a lot
21:01
Speaker 2: of people have banned me because I defended President Trump,
21:04
Speaker 2: because I've now left the Democratic Party and become a Republican,
21:08
Speaker 2: and so I'm persona on Grada, places like Harvard and
21:12
Speaker 2: places like many many institutions in New York.
21:17
Speaker 1: Well, my show is your show. You know that I'm
21:18
Speaker 1: always glad to have you on. It's the Durst Show.
21:20
Speaker 1: That's his show. Go and check them out. Dirsh dot
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21:25
Speaker 1: Trump Constitutionally Serve a third term? And as we're watching
21:28
Speaker 1: these court cases. There are so many judges that shouldn't
21:30
Speaker 1: be in court. There's so many courts that I think
21:32
Speaker 1: could be disbanded by the Congress. Can you quickly nutshell
21:35
Speaker 1: it from my audience?
21:36
Speaker 2: And for me?
21:36
Speaker 1: The only court that is even mentioned in Article three
21:39
Speaker 1: is the Supreme Court. Congress made every other court, every district,
21:43
Speaker 1: every circuit, every everything. And I think Congress has the
21:45
Speaker 1: power to get rid of people like Paula Zinnis who
21:47
Speaker 1: is in love with Abrego Garcia, or like this loser
21:51
Speaker 1: Bosberg who just because it's Trump, he's always against Trump,
21:54
Speaker 1: or the idiot Marshawn in New York who didn't even
21:57
Speaker 1: listen to actual evidence, or or Goon whatever his name
22:00
Speaker 1: is in New York. Can't the Congress get rid of
22:02
Speaker 1: these courts?
22:04
Speaker 2: Can't get rid of the state courts, obviously the state judges,
22:08
Speaker 2: but federal judge. A federal judge the other day was
22:12
Speaker 2: caught having sex with police officials in her chambers and
22:16
Speaker 2: making all kinds of loud sex loud yeah, yeah, and
22:20
Speaker 2: you know you'd think somebody like that. The Constitution does
22:24
Speaker 2: not give life tenure to judges. That's a mistake. It
22:27
Speaker 2: gives them tenure during good behavior. Now, this judge having
22:31
Speaker 2: sex in her chambers was not engaged in good behavior.
22:35
Speaker 2: It may have been good sex, but it was not
22:37
Speaker 2: good behavior, and so there is a basis for impeaching
22:42
Speaker 2: her and getting rid of her. The impeachment provisions that
22:45
Speaker 2: apply to president are different than the impeachment provisions that
22:49
Speaker 2: apply to judges. Judges served during good behavior. Others serve
22:54
Speaker 2: unless they commit treason or other high crimes and misdemeanors. So, yes,
22:58
Speaker 2: judges can be if they engage in other than good behavior.
23:03
Speaker 1: Well, I think the congres doesn't have a backbone when
23:05
Speaker 1: it comes to a state judge like organ or this
23:08
Speaker 1: marshan guy. Does the state legislature have to remove them?
23:10
Speaker 1: Does the governor remove them? How do you take care
23:12
Speaker 1: of that business?
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Speaker 2: Every state has different rules, but there are state rules
23:18
Speaker 2: everywhere where you. Nobody's above the law. Judges are not
23:22
Speaker 2: above the law, and if they engage in misconduct, they
23:26
Speaker 2: should be removed. I sat in the courtroom of the
23:29
Speaker 2: judge who presided under President Trump's so called criminal case,
23:34
Speaker 2: the failure to disclose on his corporate forms, a settlement
23:39
Speaker 2: that he made with somebody who had falsely accused him,
23:42
Speaker 2: and that judge wasn't a judge, he was a prosecutor
23:46
Speaker 2: in robes. He was just helping prosecution at every turn.
23:51
Speaker 2: When I sat in that courtroom, I couldn't believe it.
23:54
Speaker 2: You know, I've been litigating criminal cases for now, it's
23:58
Speaker 2: more than sixty years, and I've never seen a trial
24:02
Speaker 2: quite like that. When it's the second anniversary now of
24:05
Speaker 2: Trump's conviction. But I'm convinced it'll be reversed on appeal.
24:08
Speaker 1: I would think. So it's Alan Derschwitz. Go do dirstok
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Speaker 1: substock dot Com. I, Oh, you've got to go. Could
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Speaker 1: President Trump constitutionally serve a third term? I'd re remiss
24:15
Speaker 1: of it and ask you quickly maybe a minute or
24:17
Speaker 1: two on this e g. And Carroll is now being
24:19
Speaker 1: investigated by the DOJ for possibly lying under oath. The
24:22
Speaker 1: woman didn't remember anything, she said the most outlandish things
24:25
Speaker 1: on CNN and interviews. She didn't seem to understand anything
24:28
Speaker 1: that she allegedly or that she says allegedly went on.
24:31
Speaker 1: Yet she somehow gets a civil ruling against Trump for
24:35
Speaker 1: eighty three million dollars that he somehow was liable for
24:38
Speaker 1: sexually assaulting her. What are your thoughts in this case
24:40
Speaker 1: and does the DOJ have good meat here on the
24:43
Speaker 1: bone to say she lied under oath in this case.
24:46
Speaker 2: Well, they have a good president. Obviously. The president is
24:49
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton. They went after him for lying in a
24:52
Speaker 2: deposition civil deposition involving an accusation of sex, exactly the
24:56
Speaker 2: same thing. They're not going after her department because she
25:01
Speaker 2: lied about Bill Clinton, because she lied about Donald Trump.
25:04
Speaker 2: They're going after her because she testified under oath that
25:07
Speaker 2: she did not receive any payments by any outside sources
25:11
Speaker 2: for bringing the lawsuit against Trump, and then it turned
25:14
Speaker 2: out she did receive money from a billionaire and she
25:18
Speaker 2: lied about that. And if that lie can be proved
25:21
Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it can be proved
25:23
Speaker 2: that it was deliberate and willful, not just in misunderstanding,
25:27
Speaker 2: then there is a possibility of a conviction. Look, I
25:30
Speaker 2: would love to see the end of all of this lawfair,
25:33
Speaker 2: partisan lawfair. But it started with the attacks on Get Trump,
25:37
Speaker 2: and when that happened, I predicted it would become a cycle.
25:41
Speaker 2: And so we have to break the cycle. And I
25:44
Speaker 2: think the best way to break the cycle is for
25:48
Speaker 2: everybody on both sides, state federal to stop targeting people.
25:53
Speaker 2: Just go after people based on the evidence that they
25:56
Speaker 2: have actually committed serious crimes.
26:00
Speaker 1: You and I see here today. We still don't know
26:01
Speaker 1: what the thirty four counts really were that Alvin Bragg brought,
26:04
Speaker 1: because when somebody asked him what are the counts, he said,
26:06
Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you that, and he tried
26:08
Speaker 1: to tie it to election law, when the FEC itself
26:11
Speaker 1: said no, there is no breach of law. We would
26:14
Speaker 1: have brought charges had there been. So do you even
26:16
Speaker 1: You're the smartest guy I know. Do you know what
26:18
Speaker 1: the case was? The thirty four felties were no.
26:22
Speaker 2: When I was in the courthouse, I went around to everybody.
26:25
Speaker 2: I spoke to the prosecutors, what are the charges? If
26:29
Speaker 2: I'm a juror, how do I figure this out? That
26:32
Speaker 2: nobody could tell me. This is the weakest, worst criminal
26:35
Speaker 2: case I saw in sixty years of practicing law. And
26:39
Speaker 2: I sure hope and pray that the Appellate Division in
26:42
Speaker 2: New York will have the courage to reverse this conviction.
26:45
Speaker 2: The there mostly Democrats, and they were appointed by Democrat
26:49
Speaker 2: governors and confirmed by Democrat legislatures. So it's how Bill
26:54
Speaker 2: but I don't see how they could write an opinion
26:57
Speaker 2: affirming this case on the merits. And if they do,
27:00
Speaker 2: I think the Court of Appeals to New York, which is
27:02
Speaker 2: the highest court, will reverse, and if not, we'll go
27:04
Speaker 2: all the way after the United States Supreme Court. I
27:06
Speaker 2: don't see this case surviving all review.
27:10
Speaker 1: Could President Trump constitution? We serve a third term? That's
27:12
Speaker 1: the brand new book going get it. It's at Alan
27:14
Speaker 1: dersho over on X. I know you got to go.
27:16
Speaker 1: Thanks for making time today.
27:18
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to be on with you. Keep doing
27:20
Speaker 2: great things.
27:20
Speaker 1: I always appreciate talking to Professor Alan Dershowitz. Remember there
27:23
Speaker 1: were allegations against Tim and the woman who made the
27:25
Speaker 1: allegations actually retracted them later saying no, that she got
27:28
Speaker 1: the wrong guy. He came right out and he said
27:30
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with that. I was his lawyer.
27:33
Speaker 1: Everybody has the ability to have an attorney and to
27:35
Speaker 1: have representation. But are you with me? Shouldn't we just
27:38
Speaker 1: put every single thing out there in the ether, in
27:41
Speaker 1: the public square and let everybody know what Epstein was
27:44
Speaker 1: all about, What kind of a deal was he? How
27:47
Speaker 1: did you own islands? How is he worth billions of dollars.
27:50
Speaker 1: What about Gilaine Maxwell, would you say yes, let her
27:53
Speaker 1: out of prison, to let her speak on everything that
27:56
Speaker 1: she knows. We have to know what the bottom line
27:58
Speaker 1: is with this now so we can move past it.
28:00
Speaker 1: The left is using it against the right. The right
28:02
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28:04
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28:09
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28:13
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28:17
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28:20
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28:23
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