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Ep. 33 | Remembering Charlie Kirk: One Year Later w/Caleb Collier · The Myth of Education Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: Spokane Valley could become a sanctuary city of a
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  SPEAKER_01: different kind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the fire.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today on Church and State,
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  SPEAKER_02: two former Turning Point employees discuss the anniversary of the death
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  SPEAKER_02: of Charlie Kirk.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hello, Christian Patriots,
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  SPEAKER_02: and welcome to Church and State,
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  SPEAKER_02: where we drive morality and religion over tolerance and apathy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm your host, Caleb Collier, once again, your favorite far-right shock jock.
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  SPEAKER_02: With that, let's go ahead and bring on our guest.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, I'm thrilled to bring to you Tiffany Benson once again.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's an incredible woman, former employee of Turning Point.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got to know her there.
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  SPEAKER_02: We actually did an event together where we informed everybody about
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  SPEAKER_02: the current state of public education.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Tiffany, it is an absolute pleasure to have you back on the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I appreciate it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: We had a lot of fun last time you were on the show and we were talking about
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  SPEAKER_02: the myth of education.
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  SPEAKER_02: You run a great organization,
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  SPEAKER_02: empowering parents as they will hopefully get out of public education,
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  SPEAKER_02: honestly,
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  SPEAKER_02: is what you and I both want,
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  SPEAKER_02: but really empowering parents in the education of their kids.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, unfortunately,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's not going to be as many people coming out of public schools or at least not
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  SPEAKER_01: as fast as we want them to.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so if you're not going to pull them out of public schools,
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  SPEAKER_01: if school districts are robbing you of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_02: We need more people like you and your organization.
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  SPEAKER_02: You also run a great podcast, mythofeducation.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Chris can show that to the audience.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you are bringing on guests.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're talking about this subject.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's such an important one because I want more parents to have access to this information.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like a lot of parents are just blissfully unaware of what's going on
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  SPEAKER_02: in schools around America.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I would say blissfully,
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  SPEAKER_01: they are waking up in some of the harshest ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: The U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Department of Education over the summer launched an initiative
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  SPEAKER_01: to combat sexual misconduct against our K-12 students.
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually reside in the Peoria Unified School District.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anybody that's following K-12 news,
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  SPEAKER_01: we went national with a police raid because our board president
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  SPEAKER_01: and PR department didn't want to comply with search warrants after some accusations.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, it's bad.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is so bad.
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  SPEAKER_02: So bad.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to go all the way down this rabbit trail because I didn't bring you on
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  SPEAKER_02: the show to talk about this.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what we discussed last time.
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  SPEAKER_02: But my gosh,
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  SPEAKER_02: parents, if your kid doesn't know how to read and they've already Yeah, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let's move on and let's talk about 910.
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  SPEAKER_02: We are fast approaching the one year anniversary of the death of our former boss.
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  SPEAKER_02: You worked for TPUSA.
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  SPEAKER_02: You were retired.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really tackling the education side of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: I worked for TPUSA Faith, but we were able to unite and do some things together in Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_02: It seems surreal to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I still cannot believe it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Tiffany,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know about you,
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  SPEAKER_02: but But there were events in my life where I remember everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: I remember smells.
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  SPEAKER_02: I remember what I was doing exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: 9-11 was one of those days for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: The death of Charlie Kirk,
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  SPEAKER_02: I will remember for the rest of my life exactly what I was doing,
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  SPEAKER_02: who I was talking to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is it the same for you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was out to lunch with a friend at an Indian restaurant.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we were talking about things going on in K-12 education.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my phone started blowing up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I saw a message, but I just kind of froze.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't pick up any phone calls.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't respond to any texts.
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  SPEAKER_01: I immediately went to Google, started swiping down, like, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is this for real?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then, unfortunately, someone sent me a clip that was going viral of Charlie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, that day, I didn't know he was wearing that white Freedom shirt.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what I was looking at.
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  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, it was the video.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where he took the next shot.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could have gone the rest of my life, never seeing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That person gave me no context, just sent me the link.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anybody who has not seen that video, don't watch it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's extra, it's a little bit of extra trauma you don't need in your brain.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was actually,
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  SPEAKER_02: I was talking to another former employee of TPUSA,
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  SPEAKER_02: and we were just kind of catching up,
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  SPEAKER_02: just talking,
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  SPEAKER_02: and he was,
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  SPEAKER_02: it was kind of a long-winded conversation,
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  SPEAKER_02: he was talking,
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  SPEAKER_02: and all of a sudden I interrupted him, and And I think I said, holy crap.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, what?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I didn't say anything that interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, no man, Charlie Kirk just got shot.
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  SPEAKER_02: And at that point, I mean, I watched the videos I did.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm a former EMT and I was I was talking to some other people.
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  SPEAKER_02: More people were calling in and they're like, well, maybe he could survive.
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  SPEAKER_02: And with my training, I was like, no, he's gone, guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's gone.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, it really impacted me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, both of us working for Charlie, he was a brilliant man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, being around him, his mind was absolutely incredible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't know Charlie Kirk personally because I've had people ask me that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it was the sort of thing where I had seen him at the gym or had a couple
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  SPEAKER_01: of parking lot conversations.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could tell he recognized my face.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if he ever really, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think he knew my name too,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it wasn't,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was never one of the types of people like, oh my gosh, let me get a selfie.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wish I had gotten a selfie with him now, not knowing he was going to be gone so soon.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I always say he, is the best boss I've ever had, the best CEO I've ever had.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is not a statement of any sort of perfection other than possibly morally.
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  SPEAKER_01: It didn't come out after he died that he had mistresses and illegitimate children
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  SPEAKER_01: and blah, blah, blah.
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  SPEAKER_01: He loved God for real.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you can feel that impact that he was truly a son of God.
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  SPEAKER_01: It hit in a different way than when other people pass away.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I completely agree with you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've also been very, very honest with people because I never want to misrepresent myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: I worked for Charlie.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know him personally.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was around him.
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  SPEAKER_02: We heard him speak a lot,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: obviously,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I was able to ask him some questions a few times,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it wasn't like, hey, Charlie, it's Caleb.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, hey, man, how you doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, it wasn't like that at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he was really a good boss.
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  SPEAKER_02: And for me, one of the things that was really interesting in watching.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Charlie Kirk, you know, by the time he died, man, that guy knew the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_02: He knew the Word of God.
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  SPEAKER_02: He treasured it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you could see it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like his faith was so self-evident.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that is probably for me the thing that I would say made him the best CEO
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  SPEAKER_01: that I worked for.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was very open.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he lived it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that there are a lot
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  SPEAKER_01: Republican, conservative people that should take a cue from Charlie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't just wave your Bible around,
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  SPEAKER_01: but be biblical in how you're conducting the people's business
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  SPEAKER_01: if you're representing us in the public square.
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  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_02: I completely agree with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, when you and I—you had actually texted me saying you'd love to come on the show
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  SPEAKER_02: and just kind of have this recap as we're approaching this anniversary,
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  SPEAKER_02: this tragic anniversary.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you and I were talking about—you had asked me the question,
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  SPEAKER_02: And you said, well, how do you feel about Candace Owens?
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  SPEAKER_02: And we found that we disagreed with each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: But here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: We enjoy each other's company.
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  SPEAKER_02: We can have disagreements.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's another really important point that I love to showcase is that, hey,
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  SPEAKER_02: if somebody's a Christian,
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  SPEAKER_02: somebody's a conservative,
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  SPEAKER_02: you can disagree about things and still call each other a friend at the end of
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  SPEAKER_02: the day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah okay well I mean full disclosure uh I think she has a legion and
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  SPEAKER_01: that there is some sort of principality that has gotten a hold
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  SPEAKER_01: of her she's she's quite the mouthpiece for the devil And I don't think
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  SPEAKER_01: that she has proven anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let me not mislead people to think that I sit and watch all of her podcasts or
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  SPEAKER_01: that I watched her Bride of Charlie, her play on Bride of Chucky.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just can't get my head into all of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then with the Robinson trial,
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  SPEAKER_01: I am more of like a court TV, Venipolitan, legal analysis type person.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I haven't watched a thousand hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's such a roller coaster.
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  SPEAKER_01: But from what I can discern, Candace has proved nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But her followers don't necessarily demand that of her.
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  SPEAKER_01: They just want the juicy bits.
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  SPEAKER_01: But here's one thing that I will concede with Candace Owens
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  SPEAKER_01: that she should probably look more into is the financial goings-ons at TPUSA.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would say 90% of the time she's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: But financially speaking, she was on to something with that, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would definitely agree with you on that one.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, when it comes to Candace Owens, I can appreciate her.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't agree with everything she says by no means.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I would like a little bit more evidence or proof put forth on her shows.
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  SPEAKER_02: And also, I don't watch everything that she's doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I catch little tidbits, little clips.
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  SPEAKER_02: You and I are both very,
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  SPEAKER_02: very busy people,
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  SPEAKER_02: so we don't have all the time to be these internet sleuths just pouring through X
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  SPEAKER_02: or something, watching everything that they're doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But what I will say about I think we need more of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when it comes to Tyler Robinson, the alleged shooter, I find that...
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  SPEAKER_02: To have so many holes in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nothing about him as the shooter makes sense to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm going off of some of my experience in the Marine Corps.
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  SPEAKER_02: The fact that I know firearms pretty well.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've shot 30-06s a lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: These are a hunting rifle and at that range,
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  SPEAKER_02: which it wasn't all that far, that would have darn near taken his head off.
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  SPEAKER_02: The idea that his bones were so dense that they stopped the bullet.
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  SPEAKER_02: I find to be rather ludicrous.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have questions over why you would pave over a crime scene almost immediately afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_02: Certainly the actions of the people around him are kind of suspicious,
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  SPEAKER_02: some of the security details.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then the idea that this guy, well,
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  SPEAKER_02: he went up there,
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  SPEAKER_02: assembled the rifle,
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  SPEAKER_02: took the shot,
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  SPEAKER_02: Took the time to disassemble the rifle,
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  SPEAKER_02: jumped off the roof, ran into the woods where he reassembled the rifle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nobody does that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, to your point about paving over the crime scene,
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  SPEAKER_01: that was probably one of the most bizarre details.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what that reminds me of is right after JFK got shot,
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  SPEAKER_01: They took the car to the hospital there in Dallas and they washed the car.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, so they could not analyze blood spatter,
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  SPEAKER_01: patterns, things like that, which directions the bullets were coming from.
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  SPEAKER_01: There were Documentaries that I watched that showed a bullet came through
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  SPEAKER_01: the front windshield, all the things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that there,
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  SPEAKER_01: anytime that somebody who is well-known or a politician or whatever,
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  SPEAKER_01: when they die,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's always conspiracy and conspiracy theories that are going
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  SPEAKER_01: to surround their death.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's up to us to be discerning,
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  SPEAKER_01: to try to stay as logical as possible,
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  SPEAKER_01: entertain very little until as much evidence can come out.
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  SPEAKER_01: My hope is that because we have the administration,
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  SPEAKER_01: we have an office when it did happen,
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  SPEAKER_01: that this FBI is not covering up anything,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe with the exception of something that could cause a riot,
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  SPEAKER_01: which we don't really riot as conservatives.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our government does not have a history of being honest when these sorts of things happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And some of those details are pretty crazy,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I feel like there was enough DNA at that crime scene that it was him that took
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  SPEAKER_01: that shot.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can respect that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I will say I think you have a little bit more faith in our current FBI than I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: To me, this is the same FBI that's telling us there is no Epstein files.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I struggle a little bit there.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, they lied to our faces.
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  SPEAKER_01: What was her name, Pam Bondi?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, you could just tell she had this deer-in-the-headlights look because her
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  SPEAKER_01: and several others had campaigned on opening up these files,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I honestly think what they saw is that there were a lot of powerful people
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  SPEAKER_01: who were child molesters and rapists and These are people that they needed
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  SPEAKER_01: to be able to probably do business with and some plausible deniability
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  SPEAKER_01: of those people could say, well, we thought that those girls were 18.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, yeah, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: my faith is in God, but I try to have like this little measure of hope in humanity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't lie about this, but we'll see what happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're still waiting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Indeed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, what do you make?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Now, personally, I believe that it was the mic pack, the road mic pack.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: I've slowed down the footage a number of times, watched multiple different angles.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: It appears that there's an explosion from the mic pack and that
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: the neck wound is actually an exit wound from the shrapnel.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: That is my personal belief there.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: But what do you make of...
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: Charlie had recently,
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: like right before his death,
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: started to go not necessarily against the nation of Israel,
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: but just against being told what to do and what he can say.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: And there were some very powerful lobbyists,
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: even within Turning Point, that were very upset with this move of his.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think that they had a right to be upset.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'll start there,
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: because,
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: for one,
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: he was not going to give up his relationship with Tucker Carlson, for example.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: And Tucker Carlson,
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: whether he realized it or not,
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: he was starting to— To lean very anti-Semitic in some of his podcasts and some
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: of his reports.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: However, this is what I will say about CK.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: He was a truth seeker, right?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: So he's going to these college campuses and all of
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: a sudden he's getting this overwhelming influx of questions about Israel and the war
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: and whether or not we should be a part of it.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: And this young generation,
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: they don't ascribe to the Genesis 12,
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: 3, just automatically, you know, supporting Israel because God has blessed them.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: They had questions.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Charlie was seeking answers to those questions because it wasn't something
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: that he—he knew the Bible well,
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: but— I don't think that he knew all of the history and geopolitics and connections
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: that Gentiles and Jews have had respectfully over the last hundreds and hundreds,
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: thousands, whatever, of years.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's what I think.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that he was necessarily going against Israel when people started
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: to call him anti-Semitic.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we were still working for him at the time.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was appalled.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was appalled that right-wing media was associating him with What's the stupid guy?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: I can't think of his name.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Nick Fuentes?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, associating him with people like that.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: We have an entire project.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: We send people and students to Israel every year.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: You don't know what you're talking about.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: The questions that Charlie asked after that attack happened, I asked those same questions.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: I just didn't have a platform.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: How did that happen?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: What security intel did Netanyahu not have?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Those are not anti-Semitic questions.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think he was turning against Israel.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think he was asking questions that GOP people and far-right people don't like
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: for you to ask if you're in this party or on this side.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: I completely agree with that assessment right there.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: To me, the term antisemitism,
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: it gets thrown around far too often, and it's designed to shut people down.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, for me,
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: if I were to say something about Black Lives Matter,
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: A negative comment about Black Lives Matter.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: What's going to get thrown at me?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm racist, right?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know that.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: But it's a weapon.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: That group don't represent me.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Say what you want.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: I know that you feel that way.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: So once again, to me,
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: when I hear people just throwing around,
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: you're an anti-Semite,
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: for daring to question Israel,
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: to ask questions about what occurred at that rave and why it took so long for them
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: to...
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're told Israel has one of the greatest militaries and it took like,
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: what, seven hours for them to respond to this attack by Hamas.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: Those are legitimate questions.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't feel like I need to all of a sudden stop what I'm asking
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: or what I'm doing and defend the fact that I'm not an anti-Semite.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, and I don't think you should do that.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the plot of radical people, emotional people who are not rational.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Don't stop and answer those types of questions or defend yourself or anything.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Stay in that vein that is forcing them to come to A rational conclusion or at least
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: a rational line of questioning that you have.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Some people didn't receive help for what, six, seven, eight hours.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: And they know that these crazy demonic people and that false god Satan
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: that they worship,
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: that they're going to attack on different holidays, things when your guard is down.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it just seems so unacceptable to me that that happened.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I still don't feel like we have seen...
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: A public questioning of Netanyahu, of what intel he had.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: At some point,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like because of the ongoing war,
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: and we are so politically connected with him,
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: that press conference or whatever, like, it still needs to happen.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Those questions still need to be answered.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: And ethnically,
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: culturally,
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: religiously,
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: whether or not you're Jewish,
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: that doesn't have anything to do with it in that moment.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Tiffany, you have an American flag behind you.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: I've got a lot of patriotic symbolism behind me as well.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: I question my own government constantly.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of things my own government does that I really oppose, really dislike.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't it fair for me to throw that same kind of skepticism towards any other nation
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: in the world?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly,
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: from what I can say,
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: if you're watching podcasters or pundits who are not necessarily mainstream,
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: but they have that strong following and they are Jewish people,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: they're just like me and you.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: These are not people that are like, Oh, our government is so great.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: From what I can remember,
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think there are about to be riots and all sorts of stuff that was breaking out,
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: because they were upset about how their government was handling some things.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: There are lots of Muslims that live in Israel.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: And there is a peaceful existence
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: that happens despite what their book says versus what the Torah says.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I would tell people not to be fooled by what's happening mainstream, media, government.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: You should question all of that because those of us that are citizens and that are
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: on the ground level, there are a lot of things that we agree about.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have not met a Jewish person that was offended or listened to a Jewish person
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: that was offended because people outside their country were asking,
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: you know, WTH what happened.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: Now, returning back to Charlie,
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: do you think some of this transition,
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: as he started to explore,
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: as you pointed out,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: he really knew the Bible,
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: but exploring different theories or theologies within Christianity, Yeah.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's possible.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Full disclosure, so I am Pentecostal, charismatic.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's probably as far away from the reformed wing that you can get.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: But as we were talking about before this show,
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: To kind of sort of shake myself loose of that everything is the Holy Spirit.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I actually started listening to Reformed people to kind of shake myself loose
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: of some of the doctrines and ways of the Pentecostal Church.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so, I'm familiar with Doug Wilson.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm familiar with John MacArthur, although I do think he hated women or something.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: But— And so,
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: one thing I can tell you about RTs,
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: for the most part, if you, for me,
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: if you divorce so much of that lens that they're interpreting Scripture
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: with underneath it, it's still the truth.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of Reformed Christians that I've had conversations with.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I can discern the Holy Spirit in them,
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: even though, you know, they'll probably never pray in the Spirit.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I think— Having that sort of focus on the end times and the role
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: that Israel is going to play, because our Bible is a very Eastern book.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's very Israel-centered.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: The Bible, like it or not, it is a very pro-Israel book.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a pro-USA book.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Charlie was on the right path,
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: asking the right questions,
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: and he was doing it not just from a political perspective or
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: a financial perspective,
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: what's this going to cost us,
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: but the God of the Gentiles is also, according to the Bible, the God of the Jews.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I say this all the time on the show and when I'm interviewed,
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: but the God who created everything isn't afraid of our questions.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: We can ask these types of questions.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: If we're pursuing him,
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: we can And I point this out all the time,
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: but when Paul brought the message, the good news, to the Bereans...
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't just accept it right away.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: They searched the scriptures to see if what he said was true.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: And Paul commended them for that action.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I encourage people,
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: walk down these paths,
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: explore these different theologies or ideas that are part of that.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think heaven's only going to be filled with Pentecostals, or in my case, Lutherans.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's going to be filled with a lot of different people,
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: and all of us are going to figure out we were wrong about something
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: when we get there.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with that.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: And we should all be Berean Christians.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: We have no excuse in the West to not read the Bible.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: We should not take a pastor's word for everything just like we shouldn't take
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: a politician's word for everything.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: We're not any better than the Catholics that had
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: They're controversy.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of ministers are turning out to be perverts.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: They're touching kids, stealing wives, taking money.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: So you really have to have your own relationship with God.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: You can't get in by anybody's coattails.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: And studying something like the end times, right?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Let me pause you
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: there real quick,
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: Tiffany, because we hit a hard break here, but I'm going to come back.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to talk about eschatology.
• 28:33
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• 28:36
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  SPEAKER_02: With that, let's go back to our guest, Tiffany Benson.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now I rudely had to interrupt her.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: I hate doing that, but it's the nature of the beast here.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: She had just gotten into eschatology, and this is a fascinating conversation, one I love.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: So Tiffany, please continue with what you were saying.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't even remember where I left off,
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: but I think I was talking about studying out our connection to Israel
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: and being Berean Christians and not just taking pastor's word for it.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Very few ministers are dealing I believe that the Sanhedrin,
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: those sects of the Pharisees,
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sadducees, etc.,
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: some of them were also governmental leaders over the people of Israel underneath
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: that rule.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, those were their courts, their magistrates, their politicians, if you will.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: John the Baptist got his head taken off because he told a ruler,
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: you can't sleep with your brother's wife, you know what I mean?
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, people read the Bible through Western eyes, and I think that that's a mistake.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: I would 100% agree with that.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: That is a condition of Americanism that we tend to view everything through the lens of America.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: And sorry, guys, America is not really mentioned in the Bible.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, it's not actually.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_02: Not at all.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: So that doesn't mean that we're going to cease to exist or anything like that.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not claiming that.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: But we do need to go through that lens, as you said, through more of that Eastern lens.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: This is who they were talking to.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: And it definitely opens things up But eschatology is a really interesting subject,
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: and it divides Christians.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it should.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think when we look at it,
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: whether you're pre-trib,
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: mid-trib,
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: post-trib,
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: preterist,
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: futurist,
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: amelianist,
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: there's a lot of different theories that are in to what's going to happen at the end
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: of days.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: But one of the things that really has divided a lot of people is
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: that covenant theology versus dispensationalism.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I got to say this, and then I'll turn it back over to you.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: I really am going to caution people and in fact encourage people
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: to not call people like myself who subscribe to covenant theology as believers
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: in replacement theology.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, I'll turn it to you.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, to state,
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: kind of the obvious of our conversation,
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: if you just focus on the rapture,
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: rapture doctrine as your form of study for eschatology,
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: you are going to miss, like, literally everything else that the Bible says about it.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: The word rapture, I believe, is a Latin derivative Of the Greek word that was used there.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: So the word rapture is not even in the Bible, but that's not all of eschatology.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: You really need to study prophecy.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so the whole Bible is prophetic,
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: but specifically there are visions that Ezekiel saw,
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: that Daniel saw, that align with what you read in Revelation that John saw.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: And even some things that are going on in Paul's letters to the Romans and things like that.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: So studying in times,
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: it's for me,
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: it's not me trying to find my place when it comes to all
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: of those theological perspectives,
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: really trying to pray and stay humble so that the Holy Spirit will just reveal
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: to me directly what I need to know.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Where am I on God's timeline?
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm looking at the news and then I'm Reading scripture
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: and some things look like they're speeding up,
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: but then we have so many mundane days.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's how I look at it is,
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: I've always got my eye on the eastern sky,
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: but I don't,
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not partial to that doctrine of like imminence that it could happen
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: at every time.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: I very much respect prophecy.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: And What I can discern as having that come to pass because
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: the Lord's word is not going to return void.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's not going to just do away with revealing the Antichrist or doing those things
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: and just go off script for his own timeline in the word.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: And bringing Charlie back into this conversation,
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: I personally believe that his association with some of these people who subscribe
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: to Covenant Theology was one of,
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: at least,
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: the catalysts for Charlie starting to push And as my new friend Chad Prather says,
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's not race, it's grace.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so this idea that those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: and Savior are God's chosen people.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: And this is something that the church taught for centuries before Darby
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: and Schofield introduced dispensational methods.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: I do believe that Charlie was starting to go that direction,
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: or at least ask those types of questions,
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: and I think that might have had something to do with what happened to him.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll come back to that.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: But I would say covenant theology.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I haven't studied that very deeply.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: I put that over on the reformed side of things, but I do believe in covenant.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: So the noatic.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: So when you come into the New Testament—I don't know if people realize this—but
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: when you come into the New Testament—
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're still under the law until Christ is resurrected, right?
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like that covenant doesn't start until his blood is shed.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then from that point forward,
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: he's sending his disciples out with a mandate,
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: as you see in Acts chapter one and two, where the church is born.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I have studied out Romans 9 through 11,
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: and I recommend that everybody study out Romans 9 through 11.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: It can be kind of difficult because when you're dealing with the Lord, right, He is in eternity.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: He is eternity, right?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Eternity is in Him.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: So we are trying to understand things with this finite understanding,
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: and what we do is Is where we don't understand things,
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: sometimes we will come in with a theology,
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: something that a man explained that sounded really smart.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: And because they're smarter than us, we just apply that as a sort of foundational doctrine.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: Go back through Romans 9 through 11.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that if you pray,
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: you will be able to discern that there is a covenant that God still has with Israel,
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: especially concerning that plot of land.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, I have to say for all my Western sisters and brothers, Jesus was not a Gentile.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: He is a Jew.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so that, more than anything, connects us to the Israeli people.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: But the chosen people of God, it can be both.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's Jewish people, and then it's also the church.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: We are all of the people of God in that respect, right?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: That covenant is for everybody, but you do need to put faith in Jesus Christ.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: The Apostle Paul is very clear that your ethnicity and lineage
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: of Abraham is Is not what's going to get you into heaven.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: You do have to be born again.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the confusion can kind of come in when you get into Galatians,
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: where it talks about the true sons of Abraham are those of us who believe.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: He is called the father of our faith.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's in the 11th chapter of Hebrews as being a true man of God.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: And that was long before the law or anything else came into place.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Last thing I'll say,
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: and I'll kick it back to you, is that before Abraham was circumcised, was he a Jew?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Circumcision is that sign.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: So you got to study everything.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: I always tell people, read the whole Bible.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Don't cherry pick.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I think that is such good advice.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: One of my pet peeves is people who just cherry pick the Bible.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: And you see it across all denominations.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's not singular to one, but everybody's doing this to justify.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: I love your take on that.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: I've had conversations.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: I got attacked at CPAC,
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: not physically,
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: but I got attacked by some Zionists who told me that until I came to the conclusion
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: that That there are two paths to God,
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: the Jewish way and the Christian way, that my theology was incomplete.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sorry,
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: you know, if that's offensive to people, my belief that, no, there's only one way.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know what, if that's offensive to you, go read the Bible, because Jesus said that.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: There's only one way to the Father, and that's through Him.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think what people may not understand,
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: you have to read again, Romans 9 through 11, Israel rejected Christ, right?
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: So according to some of the extra...
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: Laws or teachings or whatever that they put in place.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: They weren't just straight prophecy people, believe it or not.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: There is a form of Judaism that Abraham did not practice that is claimed today.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so the understanding that people may or may not have,
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: it just has to do with whether or not you're reading it for yourself.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: They did reject Christ.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: The gospel was made available to the Gentiles, but Christ did go to his own people first.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: I would not say that your theology or that your relationship with God is incomplete
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: because you see it that way.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: We do have to come through Christ.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: There is no ifs, no ands, no buts about it.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: Anything that you may understand or not understand about covenant.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Is that there is always a sign of a covenant.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I was saying a moment ago about the rainbow, the circumcision.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the sign of this covenant that we're under now is the blood.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: So in terms of animal sacrifices and the Levitical priesthood and all those things,
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus Christ fulfilled that.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't abolish that.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: He fulfilled it.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: That is where your salvation comes from.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: I would argue that the covenants of the Old Testament, those are also faith-based.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: It says in Genesis that when Abraham believed God in chapter 15,
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: it was counted to him as righteousness.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: That was hundreds of years before the law.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: And he figured out how to build an altar and burn sacrifices and all the things just
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: by hanging out with God on a hill.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know,
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: there's a lot of pride behind Judaism,
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: as there is a lot of pride behind those of us who call ourselves Christians.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: The Bible specifically says to be careful where you stand, lest you fall.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a very good warning right there.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: We're coming down to the end of the show,
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: but I want to ask you one more question, and it's centered around Charlie Kirk.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: Here we are at the one-year tragic anniversary.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: You and I worked for him.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: We saw what he was about.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: What would your words of encouragement or what direction would you point people to
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: to honor Charlie's legacy?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: How should people live their lives?
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: What should they be pursuing?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: First, pursue Christ because that is what CK would tell you to do.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: Before you're political,
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: make sure that you know who the Lord is because at the end of the day,
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: this is man's kingdom.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to perish and his kingdom is eternal.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: For those who don't understand or know who CK was or what he stood for,
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: All of the videos are available online still.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: Turning Point is still releasing.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're even putting out footage that may have never even been seen before.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: Whoever is running Erica's account is putting out Lots of good stuff
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: about their relationship, their marriage.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: You can get a real picture of what kind of man of God he was.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Follow Christ first, but there are earthly examples.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I would venture to say,
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: I might get some pushback on this,
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: but I would put Charlie probably in that hall of faith.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean,
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: you're not going to find his name in the Bible,
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: but he lived what a lot of those apostles lived.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: That needs to be everybody's pursuit,
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: is to pursue Christ above everything else,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: because there's nothing else outside of that.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's the Lord.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's life.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's everything.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a really rock-solid advice there.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: You want to know who Charlie was?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: Go and do the research.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's out there, as you pointed out.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: And get involved.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: That was something that Charlie really,
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: really pushed, is for Christians not to sit on their hands, to not have this.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: This pious belief that this kingdom's not of this world, so I don't have to worry about it.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: It can go to hell in a handbasket and Christ is king.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's accurate, but we're not supposed to sit on our hands.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'll quote James there.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: Faith without works is dead.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: So get in there, do some works, because Charlie was certainly working his tail off.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: Tiffany, how do people listen to your podcast?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: We'll bring it up again, but please plug the podcast for us.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: You can go to mythofeducation.com to listen to past episodes.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: We are on socials at mythofeducation, X, Y, T, and IG.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I so appreciate your work, your friendship.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad that we were able to meet as coworkers and Turning Point.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: But we'll have you back on.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know, this is your second appearance.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: I love having you on.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: You're a great guest.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: And once again, we can disagree on some things and still at the end of the day, be friends.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm going to go ahead and let you go.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: If you hold on one more minute post-production to say our goodbyes, I'd appreciate it.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: But again, thank you for joining us on Church of State.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much for having me.
• 45:40
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