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Bonus: Athletics LLC S3 E27 'ft Nic Peterson (UF) & Marquis Dendy' October 14, 2022 · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  It's bonus time, we're honored Athletics, LLC would allow us to
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  present to you the audio version of their weekly Friday Night,
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  YouTube series. Let's get to and see what the
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  crew has in store this week. What we're doing this again,
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  doing this show again. Cool thing called, oh, and Lamar
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  already showed us a cup. Like we can't even get through
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  an intro with us Unico. Its water.
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  Its Lee I was showing this is the one that everybody has 20
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  of. Yeah, got it.
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  Welcome one, welcome all another fun episode of Athletics, LLC.
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  We obviously have some additional tiles with us tonight
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  but we'll get Them in just a moment.
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  I want to check in on our guys and we'll click over a little
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  bit to the other ones. But sir, lucious.
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  How are you doing today? How are you doing today?
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  Well, I've been accused of being cantankerous already.
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  So I guess I'm doing well apropos.
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  I mean, when you're on top, shouldn't you be somewhat
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  cantankerous just saying Dealing with somebody, people have to
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  deal with on an everyday basis. Then, you know, Love it.
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  Love it. So in following suit Omar, how
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  are you today? I'm good.
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  I'm very good. You know I wanted to welcome one
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  of our two guests. I figured I would try to you
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  know it is a Bucket Brigade, you say be part of the Bucket
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  Brigade. I mean, we definitely should
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  leave that for him to do. We'll leave the peanut head
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  alone. Clyde, how are you today?
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  Anytime we have guessed, I'm good.
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  That means I hear less from the EP.
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  But, you know, it's a good evening.
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  And, and well. Last but very not least doing
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  his job coming in, just making sure his job gets done.
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  The governor, thank you for joining us today.
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  Are you doing? Just making sure I'm not
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  sounding like like I'm should be in a sick, sick mess hall or
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  something but just getting over the flu right now but I had to
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  be on the show. I was when I heard about the
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  guess I was like oh yes, definitely go down.
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  Going to participate. So very happy to be here.
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  Just like the Jordan Flu Game for you.
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  Oh yeah. Wait.
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  So here's my question. Is because inquiring knows Minds
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  need to know. Did you get the flu shot
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  already? Oh, no, no.
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  Are you a flu shot? Er, no, no.
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  Okay, got it. Who you answering for him?
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  You don't stick your arm out. Because any, yes, sir exact,
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  they've fixed a village in baby. Don't do it.
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  Exactly. All three of them tiles in the
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  middle. A not one of them will have a
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  flu shot. Yep, I don't have mine either.
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  Oh my goodness, because this is what we do in our lives, right?
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  So we've got a dynamic duo. Of course, if you don't
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  recognize these people again for the second week in a row, Are,
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  are you what are you doing? And who lets?
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  So definitely have got One of the best jump coaches Across the
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  Nation internationally, some would argue, and then one of the
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  also best complimentary jumpers to make him.
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  Invest, jump coach and vice versa together.
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  We got Nick Peterson and a Marquise 10d.
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  Thank you for joining us today. Thank you.
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  Glad to be here. Yeah, I know.
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  Right, right, right. Love it, love it.
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  So, that was us being nice. Now, you're an Open Season, so
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  get ready. Buckle up, right?
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  Gentlemen, floor is yours. Every alright I'll start with
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  the with a fun and I think easy one but I just really want to
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  know. I mean it's been no secret if
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  you're a fan of the sport that mr.
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  Denny has had to battle back through some very, very serious
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  injuries. And me personally, I enjoyed
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  watching him this year, you know, be, you know, new top of
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  his game again. And so, from both of your
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  perspective, I was want to know, you know, how this season
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  ultimately felt and About the journey, the long road back.
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  Then I'll start, you know, I would say in a lot of ways, we
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  were happy with this year and then on the same side of the
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  coin, very upset, the one meat that mattered.
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  The most didn't go the way either of us wanted for should
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  have gone and so obviously there's something to that, but
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  from a training standpoint and Denny being back at the top of
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  his game, it was Less is more to be able to, didn't can't handle
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  the same kind of volume and the same type of stuff that he did
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  when he was a young pup. And in those early, you know, I
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  joke. Now that you we do to fly 30s or
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  a 120 Indy, can't do anything for three or four days.
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  He's just, he's just done. Little bit less than make sure
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  that he's healthy. So, that was probably the theme
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  for our year. Yeah, no.
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  Yeah. Excuse me, before Marquis
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  answers. I want you to quit.
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  Stop acting. Like he could have done more
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  than like maybe one more flight. 32 he did a network card.
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  You just mentioned when he was a first got here.
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  So anyway, go ahead. I really only had like maybe 10
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  minutes in total, like even with the extra meets on the side,
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  like you really wasn't a lot if I start from indoor.
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  I had a meeting New York indoor USA's in the worlds and that was
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  a little scratchy. So like even in that in the
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  indoor worlds, I was like, dang I really, you know, I could have
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  performed better if I say you know it's whatever and then come
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  out door with her early world's it just was like I can fit any
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  Meats before USA's USA's was like my second third meet
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  outdoor and that was the most Scratchy.
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  So it was like my entire year that I felt like when I kind of
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  reflect on her back was like damn I just had more
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  opportunities to just kind of be high-stakes Meats like to wear
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  you know that I can have that ability to go out there, get
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  situated jump and then come back.
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  And kind of says it really just didn't?
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  I would just say that we didn't watch it love like just meet
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  them but usually watch a lot of me from.
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  We always watched a lot of me so it's like, kind of like our
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  thing. We kind of go to me, ESS.
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  We, you know, send me make those changes, but a lot of it was
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  just more training, training base, which I My God who loves
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  training, you know, I don't mind that but then but the but the
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  line in me needs to kind of keep soccernet iron kind of pill
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  Scouts back and kind of, you know, get that heart and heart
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  rate moving up and kind of feeling like, okay, there's 10
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  bands online. It's time that you know, it's
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  time to go ahead and kind of get up instead of it being like LSU
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  or like a Collegiate meet where I'm just kind of going to kind
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  of go on the motion. So you know once I kind of
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  realize that you're actually I just needed more more volumized
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  but you know coming off of know her I told my Attending 19, you
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  know, when you get hit with hit with covid and then you have to
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  hurry and Scurry to get ready for Olympics and you have that
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  Olympic drops. It was like a it was a little
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  bit of a lull here and they're kind of fighting do that to
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  which is what I kind of like assess but you know, I'm always
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  hard on myself. I just really felt like you know
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  this season was just a scratch again like I'm kind of I'm back
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  now in that in that mirroring okay know like now with this
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  whole fall training kind of getting back.
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  No Hofstra definitely 100%. I'm back to her.
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  Saying, so now it's just now, it's a big strong, stay healthy
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  in that. Indoor private outdoor apart
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  because again just like how last will 2019, I got hurt my first
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  outdoor so then we had came back from that Achilles all those
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  other things I would just kind of battling up in 2016 17 you
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  know 18 icon. It was a little low 19 I was
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  feeling really good that get hurt again so you know it's it
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  was frustrating in the beginning but I feel like honestly like I
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  just hit All I injuries. Now I know through my labor
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  room, I tore my achilles that sort of idea.
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  Those were literally the most of the the main three things I was
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  bombing when I came to college. So I was like well you know it
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  was it's annoying at insane part but I think what always keeps me
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  you know happy and like glad the fact about you know I can wake
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  up now and like I don't feel like I'm stepping on like glass
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  you know I mean I can you know I can do a whole lunge you know me
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  or I can bend down like 45 degrees and my knees are hurting
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  us. So like so those things that I
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  enjoy But yeah, it's like I'm be I had to get on a knife in my
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  season. You know, people talk crap and
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  all those shoes or whatever like that.
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  But it's like, you know, I know that without those things and
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  impacting me, you know, if, if I was good with those injuries
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  because I'm a tough dude, once it, once he just being fixed
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  now, I know it's just a matter of to get my, get my feet,
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  right? So, you know, I'm now ready to
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  take on that more volume. But this this past year was just
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  a reflection of just not having enough meats and I feel like it
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  was because we were trying to definitely, you know, it's not
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  not not Get back into it. But again, it just was, you
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  know, a lot of this, we're circumstances that were kind of
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  out of my control, you know, I mean, it's hard to fly to or
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  overseas meeting a lot of money and stuff like that.
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  And not, it's not like American meats, you know, anything with
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  American Meats, not the quality, you know?
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  So, you know, it's a lot of, you know, knowing things, I can't
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  control, but really just came down to just more high stakes
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  and meets more meat that I just kind of wanted more volume with
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  that way. I be more prepared just
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  physically, not nothing was mentally but just, you know,
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  because there are times where I'm going to run, Way in my
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  heart is beating. I was on my chest and I have
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  tons of a gentleman and a now over push.
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  And then I keep over pushing in that, take an extra step, but I
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  didn't you take and try to correct it and I'm on the runway
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  I'm not understanding what's going on.
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  It's just a matter of just knowing that okay.
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  Boom. I just needed more morale is
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  high stakes meat, so it just was volume.
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  And I feel like that that's where it came from and I think,
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  you know, you know, kind of going into the next season, you
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  know, obviously, you know being doing Guess I would say decent,
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  I don't think I did that well with finals but you know, we
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  know who will talk about that later but I feel like now you
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  know with everyone kind of like look at me.
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  Oh yeah that guy was a far back again.
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  Now it should be no problem getting invited to meet since I
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  can I have that opportunity again so I feel like you know,
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  I've had to keep proving myself and I can do to kind of like,
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  you know, you get her people don't know if you're currently
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  the don't know if you all the way back yet you come back and
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  then you jump forward, get body and then he's got to go back and
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  go back into the same smooth smooth.
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  And so it just was a matter of meats.
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  So now that knocked out on the getting more meets next year.
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  I don't think it's gonna be any problem.
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  It's it's uncanny listening to you, talk here a lot of
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  parallels between what you accomplished in college and then
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  what happened in your professional career.
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  And first of all, let me just say that you deserve all the
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  credit for being here now because a lot of jumpers would
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  have already called called it a career you already doing Is
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  valued, that is not appreciated, the opportunities are not there
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  so we already know that part of it.
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  Okay. But here's what I will say and
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  this should give you some some energy and some you know
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  optimism is that you have now cleared a lot of hurdles, right?
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  You're 29 years old, okay. Been there.
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  You've done that. Okay, by the way, do you know
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  what you did in college? In terms of the long jump and a
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  triple jump? Do you know what happened?
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  20 years before that You and 868 yeah. 71, yeah, 20 years prior
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  to that, somebody did the exact same thing. how let's, let's see
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  if you, I think, I think I think Do you know?
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  And 1792 in two days at the Juco Nationals.
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  We won't we won't talk about where it was a vesa.
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  Is is I mean we won't go there West Texas.
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  I mean hey you never know but what ended up you know winning
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  some World Championship medals but Your stick-to-itiveness, you
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  know what, what you've done? I see a lot of parallels.
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  I won the majority of my medals after my Prime.
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  Okay. And the thing that you, I think
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  you're understanding now is that it's all good for regular season
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  and all of that, but what really matters is a championships,
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  right? And you stated something very
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  astutely about needing. He's okay, you cannot undervalue
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  The Hope how much it means to get a couple of 840 is under
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  your belt. 8:30 is under your belt.
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  So now you're walking into the Championships knowing you have
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  this done knowing that you've, you know, you've done it a
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  couple times on a bad day and that's where the Championships
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  are won. The Championships are won with
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  the people that have that. Extra in reserve and they know
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  that when they need to call on it either.
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  Okay, so you know I'm very, very happy for you.
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  I absolutely love Monaco that was fantastic.
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  That was super good. So yes, I am following your
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  career. I'm excited for you and 23, stay
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  healthy. I think the plan right now with
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  Nick is, is the planet should be in force.
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  Less is more Make sure that you're ready when it counts.
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  Yeah, man, excited for you. Thank you.
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  Yes. Yeah, foof, like I said, this
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  could be fun. What I've what I've loved
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  watching with YouTube, is the number of things that the number
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  of obstacles that have been thrown you guys as way.
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  And there's never been a waiver. And I always thought that was
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  cool because a lot of times, especially when you're younger,
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  you know, when things don't go well, A lot of today's athletes
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  and point fingers at coaches and don't take blame and all, you
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  know, and all those other wonderful crazy things and
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  YouTube have never seen to be anything other than thick as
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  thieves. And I always thought that was
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  really good. Yeah, I mean, it's it, it's
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  really incredible because I mean, let's just from the injury
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  standpoint and I save it. Wholeheartedly, he believes it
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  from the day, he tore his Achilles, he woke up the next
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  day. and he firmly believed you'd broken the world record
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  nice and it wasn't, it wasn't fake, it wasn't like fake it
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  till you make it and like bravado it was real, you know,
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  and I mean shoot the day I had to pick him up out of the sand
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  pit and put him in a, in a wheelchair at our own, you know,
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  me, I mean that Bond, you know, there's some bonding there that
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  just you don't, you don't get through any other, but Blood,
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  Sweat and Tears, you know, and Yeah, he could have easily just
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  and he never wavered. He's always believed in himself
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  and what he can do and and never wavered it all.
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  It's fantastic. And I'm for sure.
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  And it was funny, is that a lot of it came from, a lot of, it
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  just came out of like, college that I would personally say that
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  we went. I would say that is a lot more
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  turmoil and struggled, like, in our colleges and professional.
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  I got hurt like old times. Like, yeah, but like, it was a
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  lot of times where I just was like, you know, it was a lot of
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  the, a lot of that connection just came from this Mainland
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  college, cuz, and I'm always bring us up Cortana me.
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  I remember what the day was summer of my freshman year.
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  Coach all awake. Me, and he's like, I know you
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  because because my previous goes culture knew he left me, but
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  prior to the Olympic trials in 2012.
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  And this is when I was like, all right, I'm gonna make this team,
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  I'm be the first time be, I'm not on a team.
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  Like, I've had this. When I was born, I knew I was
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  thinking 1819, I'm like, all right, cool, I'm gonna make this
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  team, but I start putting on University of Florida, this that
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  a third and so but II really didn't have like much many
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  coaching there, because they're me.
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  How coach Holly was there? And caused Pearson to my
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  knowledge. Now was there, but in TC
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  uniform. But because I was there but
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  maybe like me to quote always be having really gut got in on the
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  you know on the coaching on the long jump.
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  That's an aspect and now obviously great, it seems our
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  ass Monica, you know? Maybe you know, we moved past
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  that, you know, I said he's going for that conversation.
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  This he just was like look I promise today.
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  We're going to be seeing the coach by campfires, you know, a
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  coach. You know I'm saying.
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  So let me know. And I'll let you go anymore.
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  That's why I said, listen. I was I didn't pick the school
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  to be. I never wanted to be a portal
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  transfer person. How that was from the beginning
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  of two things. I never wanted to be.
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  I didn't one of them. Then we work outside.
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  Never won a person. Just like, I guess get surgery
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  or like I get hurt done enough to get surgery.
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  I don't know why that was in my head, but I'm down.
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  I said, I wanted to like be a person that like transfers, From
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  school to school to school. I never, I was like, if I pick
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  this school, which is why I took so long was like, making my true
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  life. I picked this school, I'm gonna
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  finish out like the entire time. Good bad indifferent.
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  If I put the crack team and I finished whatever that my my
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  education, I'm going to finish it, but I'm not going to be
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  jumping through school. So I was like because I'm gonna
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  be here, um, it's really just a matter of whether or not they
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  can bring the best out of me. And, you know, certain of
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  course, Pearson danns me and he has sent me on a very long
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  message. When he was the teeth you that I
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  ignored that wasn't going is very nice.
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  Message was hey I'm going to use a Universal Florida Gators.
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  I was like, oh yeah. My coaches or like staff was in
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  14 indoors and you know, remember the exact we were three
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  was super sick. We would say it was the girl
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  should have warned me me and Sierra did score at all.
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  It was a bad. It was just bad.
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  Like you don't really? Sobbing like that.
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  First one I cried I saw him crying.
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  I was like, yeah, I've never never ever, ever going to see
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  this defeat like this on all of my evil even ghosts even goes,
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  good cocoa talk. With just like everybody would
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  just not, it was a very low period, I just was like, I don't
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  care what happens after this. It's never like I'm never going
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  to look around and see this ever again and then I think from then
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  on it just with like you know, I ain't that kind of keeping that
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  standard and I think that's what you know, just kind of kept me
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  from Like, you know, like wavering at anything.
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  If I feel like, you know, there's a lot more, a lot more
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  battles. I felt like, you know, said we
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  had to kind of go through, you know, just in college that like
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  anything that kind of came in a professional standpoint,
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  especially with me and like, me being hurt, because I knew I
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  wanted mately, knew that people enjoyed watching me in college.
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  I tell people all the time you're gonna love me now but I'm
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  like stitched up. Let's so you know it just a
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  matter of just getting my body back, you know on on par this
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  condition wise because I mean it would be It was I think my
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  husband's 15 outdoor after I did long jump.
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  I was like coach, I don't even know how I'm going to get you
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  four points. I was like I'm beat he just was
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  like and this is the right after long job so he's like you got a
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  day off. See the trainer's get ride
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  getting into checked in and I just was like coaching I'm never
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  say this but I don't I physically don't know what was
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  going to happen, you know, 1771 and one.
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  So it was like that. Everybody does it was super
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  heavy but yeah I just was like but I was like hey, I did it and
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  this is it we should get the dub, that's it.
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  So it just was a lot of those times where I had to persevere
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  through that turn when he didn't, I say no.
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  I mean, I didn't verbally say, oh yeah.
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  By the way, my knees is falling off the bone and I killings
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  hurts. I just was like, ah, I may be a
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  little sore and I always would downplaying.
• 23:19
  But you know in the back of my mind, I knew in my head how
• 23:22
  painful I felt. So I felt like if I could just
• 23:25
  get this fixed Then I'm going to be fine and I, but I never
• 23:29
  brought it to. I never wanted to go willy-nilly
• 23:31
  tonight because my mom's a doctor.
• 23:32
  She just was like, what? He's doing the surgery, don't
• 23:34
  ever get it and I just was like, okay, cool.
• 23:36
  So I would always rehab and get the massage like once it
• 23:41
  actually, whatever it like naturally goes through and it
• 23:43
  rips all been okay, but if you don't, I never willingly just
• 23:47
  was like, Hey I probably should get surgery which it'll probably
• 23:49
  save a lot of time but I just was a fighter, I always fall in
• 23:52
  so like you know, that's where it kind of came from that, you
• 23:54
  know, just kind of stand tall and And kind of like with that
• 23:57
  combination of collagen, kind of like dealing with the group of
• 24:00
  guys and I feel like, you know, it's a little rare.
• 24:04
  Like I mean, you know, I look around you know, recently some
• 24:07
  some of those same guys that are around now may not, you know, be
• 24:10
  able to handle it like like like as well as I have.
• 24:13
  I mean I see a lot of people that was in my class that, you
• 24:16
  know, did just get like, you know, maybe a minor hamstring
• 24:20
  thing and they just what I can't, you know I can't do it
• 24:22
  or, you know, or maybe it's just something that they just, not
• 24:24
  really progressing the right way.
• 24:26
  I never really took it as that as okay.
• 24:28
  Well, you know, I guess, comparing things to others.
• 24:31
  Always just comparing thing. Just just a cop.
• 24:34
  I would just say, you know, how much time do I have?
• 24:35
  Like you know I'm like you know when do I want to be done?
• 24:38
  I was like you know, 35 36. Okay cool.
• 24:40
  So you know I'm 26 or 27, I'm doing things better than people
• 24:44
  who are doing in the world. So you know, I can give him time
• 24:47
  to catch up as for my body to kind of heal.
• 24:50
  So I kind of never really had that you know, I guess fear of
• 24:56
  what Would happen after surgery. It just was, I'm finally better
• 24:59
  now. I'm finally, like, I feel so
• 25:01
  much better so I can walk without being in pain or I can
• 25:05
  get up in the morning and doing jumping jacks.
• 25:09
  Oh, it was. It was those things.
• 25:10
  I was more excited for versus the the fear whether or not I
• 25:13
  can long jump again or do anything athletic.
• 25:16
  You just was the fact that I actually felt better and so I
• 25:19
  think that's a lot, a lot of what carried me over to just rip
• 25:22
  the track and even with just my mentor and then even voice Nine
• 25:26
  kind of selling that to someone else who's had a similar injury.
• 25:30
  It's always been really easy for me, because like I said, it was,
• 25:33
  I would feel elated by me after my patella tendon surgery.
• 25:36
  I wanted to get up and walk away that right off the right off the
• 25:39
  bed, like, I was like, all right?
• 25:41
  Finally, like, my knee doesn't hurt anymore.
• 25:43
  Like, it doesn't like it. Finally, cool.
• 25:45
  So, of course, everyone restraining me and kept me on
• 25:48
  the bed, but I really did want to get up and walk away.
• 25:51
  Let's all wait a minute. Wait a minute, wait a minute,
• 25:55
  you referenced. A lot of some things in there,
• 25:58
  I'll have to ask both the oldest to the the men's horizontal
• 26:02
  jumps on the world stage. Take a lot of hits right now.
• 26:07
  Like right the The Narrative out there is that it's subpar.
• 26:13
  So what it used to be, what do you guys think about that?
• 26:16
  I know you're working to to disprove that but overall I
• 26:20
  would have both of y'all. Think about that.
• 26:24
  I mean, I think, you know, because Holly and I we had this
• 26:27
  discussion recently to is it, people think that, you know, and
• 26:33
  the, the mark coach all and I talked about it 8.
• 26:35
  M people think 8 meters and far he was from 27 feet this far and
• 26:39
  it's not until we as a, you know, whether a country USA or
• 26:44
  as collectively as a jumps, we have to decide the point seventy
• 26:48
  didn't follow, you know, and we've got to start breaking
• 26:51
  those barriers. Mayors and start, you know,
• 26:54
  training towards jumping 28 feet and pushing the envelope and
• 26:59
  making sure that we're leading from that, that this is where
• 27:02
  we're going and not being just being related.
• 27:04
  That we jumped 160 and that's never going to get us anywhere,
• 27:07
  you know. And that was, you know, from our
• 27:11
  program. We are, we talk about 70 meters
• 27:14
  isn't far. You know, that's not we're not
• 27:16
  trying to just jump 17 meters, you know and 60 meters.
• 27:21
  It's like this magic. The triple jump collegiately
• 27:23
  right now. It's like everybody.
• 27:24
  It's like just trying to send 16 meters and it's not hard to
• 27:28
  jump. 16. Metres, you know, for I think a
• 27:30
  lot of it is a mindset standpoint.
• 27:34
  We've got to change our mindset collectively so that we can help
• 27:37
  the Next Generation. Develop we've got to hold them
• 27:39
  accountable and and push them to where the horizontal jump should
• 27:44
  be. Especially with the tradition we
• 27:46
  have in this country, for sure. I don't get it.
• 27:48
  I don't envy you one bit. Because, you know, when when I
• 27:55
  talk to people talk to Young athletes about my era, you know,
• 28:01
  the fact that carlaandmike were still jumping when I got out of
• 28:07
  college. I mean it was pretty much set.
• 28:10
  It was pretty much set in stone that 858 60 wasn't good enough.
• 28:16
  So you had, you had the greatest duel in the Larger than the
• 28:23
  history of the event, just there.
• 28:26
  You could reach out and touch him, you know?
• 28:28
  And you know, when you watch what's happened over the years,
• 28:33
  there's been one, you know, we had to divide Phillips Arrow,
• 28:35
  you had the saladino era, you've had one and maybe two that were
• 28:42
  in that range, and it's changed now.
• 28:46
  I mean, so, you know, it's one of those things where You know
• 28:52
  II feel personally that in order to break through that barrier,
• 28:59
  you know it will require a man, a moment of Madness.
• 29:05
  I mean and I don't know, you know for you Marquis if you can
• 29:09
  remember what happened in that 868 but that you know, I mean,
• 29:16
  you know, in a nutshell, you know, you could bottle that up
• 29:19
  and just, you know, It there but it's a different level when
• 29:25
  you're going eight sixty plus, it's a different level.
• 29:29
  In terms of speed, it's a different level in terms of the
• 29:32
  speed of take off your trajectory all of that.
• 29:36
  And, you know, again, you know, with with Nick.
• 29:40
  I mean, I understand where you're coming from.
• 29:43
  And I, as long as you are reinforcing that.
• 29:49
  You know, hey, 840, no 850, no 860.
• 29:55
  We need to go that and Beyond. Then, there's a chance, you
• 29:59
  know? And as long as you're going home
• 30:01
  after practice, not happy with a decent date, you know, and I
• 30:07
  tell people all the time, right? Mike, I spent my career ending
• 30:12
  the year every year pissed off. I never ended a year during my
• 30:18
  Collegiate or professional season happy because I mean when
• 30:22
  you're chasing the greatest long jumper ever in the history of
• 30:25
  the jumps. Yeah it's humbling.
• 30:29
  You know so I don't envy you because you don't have that you
• 30:33
  know you are you're trying to create that within your within
• 30:38
  your own self. Yeah.
• 30:39
  Trying to figure that out. You know every day in practice
• 30:45
  Yeah. Yeah I definitely agree.
• 30:48
  I think I think in it's funny because a lot of people got from
• 30:51
  me before I think when the standards I guess like when the
• 30:55
  same as went up. I just was like, I mean you
• 30:57
  know, it's like and you wrap or whatever.
• 31:03
  That's ridiculous. I'm just like, I mean 22 is
• 31:10
  really that far as a reason, why the raising the standards and of
• 31:12
  course we don't even want to politicking in the rankings this
• 31:15
  and no one who has the Rings. I'm just like regardless you
• 31:18
  know, 8 20s really isn't that far?
• 31:21
  You know, and I remember when it was, I eat 15 pizzas back, I was
• 31:26
  like 13 and so it was like I was an A, and A B stamping remember
• 31:30
  stuff like that. So it was just like, you know,
• 31:31
  just kind of giving I think I think when we finally
• 31:34
  established that, you know, and stop giving people just I guess.
• 31:37
  Anybody just opportunity to just exactly beat big nose and be
• 31:41
  available to computers or checks.
• 31:43
  I think a lot about issues that people mistake, you know, more
• 31:48
  participants with more viewership when reality if you
• 31:51
  have less participants that are actually really really good.
• 31:54
  But you had that that'll attract more people to view it because
• 31:57
  there you're actually watching quality people.
• 31:59
  Yeah, through and through. So I think that's that's what
• 32:03
  the issue is that that that they're trying to increase
• 32:04
  viewership by increasing participants or The availability
• 32:08
  like you know, if you have to have local guy who's you know,
• 32:11
  didn't really make a varsity track team in high school went
• 32:14
  to you know Drew Kobe's train all his life he goes to usda's
• 32:18
  and barely gets on the team. He got Mel, you know?
• 32:21
  So it's like you know, people want that, you know, people want
• 32:23
  that you know, like like you know, like that that one Rudy
• 32:26
  story. But it's not, that's not how
• 32:27
  title goes. So I feel like you know and then
• 32:30
  you know there's there's that kind of changing that and then
• 32:33
  it's also more. So just all the quality guys
• 32:37
  like you No, like it. If if I were to have it my way,
• 32:40
  you know, I think, you know, a diamond League or or event with
• 32:45
  all the guys who have touched 864 always competing together
• 32:49
  should be a no brainer. It's not, it's not as many long
• 32:51
  jumpers as there are Sprinter. So I get how, you know, there
• 32:54
  there could be twenty nine. Nine guys, 98 guy that you got
• 32:58
  to decipher the who put in. But if you know okay boom he's
• 33:01
  hit this in his career. He said there's a these times we
• 33:05
  just want to put those guys around this.
• 33:07
  The person Circus, you know, I mean, I think that's no
• 33:09
  politics, no, yeah. You know, from this country
• 33:17
  let's put him in as a, you guys from our country for the team,
• 33:21
  you know, for the you know Summit.
• 33:22
  Now don't do that is if you keep hitting 50 plus at all, you
• 33:27
  know, I mean, because let's just make it high enough to where not
• 33:30
  everybody touches 850, lat. If you, if you hit that a 50
• 33:34
  plus at all, you know, saying you've done in your career, you
• 33:37
  should be able To go. Okay, boom.
• 33:38
  These are 89 guys for our diagonally.
• 33:41
  And then and so and so and then or have it to where you want to
• 33:44
  get to 89, you got to either outright them or beat them on a
• 33:47
  head-to-head. And then maybe we'll be able to
• 33:49
  kind of add you in some him out, but it should just be a solid
• 33:53
  like, like, you know, it, I can count, but six, or seven or
• 33:57
  eight guys. That, you know, I've jumped in
• 34:00
  with that him something 60s or even things like that and so for
• 34:04
  him to be like, oh, I did, I couldn't get invited to this
• 34:06
  meeting, I couldn't get it. It's crazy because it's just
• 34:09
  like, you know, like, you know, and so kind of getting that kind
• 34:13
  of making it, making it feel okay.
• 34:14
  Who are the, who are the core guys, who are jumping afar?
• 34:18
  Put them everywhere. I feel like, I mean, I mean
• 34:20
  because I mean they do it for the sprinters all the time.
• 34:22
  So I feel like, you know, it's just a matter of, you know, I
• 34:25
  guess. Look like you said, mine, said,
• 34:26
  change and kind of like, you know what I mean?
• 34:28
  Are I remember when I turned ACC like a dresser, I think that's
• 34:32
  what I'm always. Yearning to go feel that fight
• 34:35
  gear - listen times where I felt the same He'd not, maybe not the
• 34:39
  nothing. Nothing knee lift and not the
• 34:40
  not the are moving, but it's like something that you know.
• 34:42
  And then there are times where I do feel like a visitor that and
• 34:46
  you know, I get out and I'm excited because I felt a little
• 34:48
  bit of it. I'm kind of getting closer and
• 34:50
  closer and closer but then you know, it's like, you know, I'm
• 34:52
  definitely no waiting to steal that same as I fight.
• 34:55
  I also want to have, you know, again, just because, you know, I
• 34:59
  know how competition can conduct we bring out the best of you.
• 35:02
  I want that 2016 Olympic trials, experience.
• 35:06
  That was my favorite. Competition when I can make with
• 35:09
  I know you know 836 has six place, it was like
• 35:25
  that entire field. There was no one's going to
• 35:28
  bring that up and say you know you know long jump in America's
• 35:31
  big his bag set for that 16 years.
• 35:33
  So it's like you know it's like, you know but I mean I just feel
• 35:36
  like That we can do it there is that?
• 35:39
  I mean how many we have the Americans and we have even their
• 35:43
  National athletes. It's just a matter of, you know,
• 35:46
  one honestly staying healthy and they just kind of getting that
• 35:50
  Core group of people always, you know, competing with each other.
• 35:53
  I think Springs always do these hard times because they're
• 35:55
  always running against someone who is going to be around them.
• 35:58
  So I mean if we have just two guys that and I'm Lee who could
• 36:03
  jump over 830 and then you got the rest that are jumping like a
• 36:05
  toes. It's I mean yeah.
• 36:07
  It's so exciting. I guess you're a dime league but
• 36:10
  it's not the same when you know, right after you someone's going
• 36:13
  to bring 840 and then right before your someone just did it
• 36:17
  and it's going to be the entire green and now you got to
• 36:19
  actually like go and wait for the actual reward because so
• 36:22
  many specific numbers. I feel like when you kind of
• 36:25
  just can't predict, it doesn't make it as fun either, you know,
• 36:28
  I feel like if you have it to where it's saying, all these
• 36:31
  guys are within to 2018 indoor indoor world's, it was too 22 cm
• 36:38
  difference between first second and third place.
• 36:40
  It was 846 844 83 and 88 42. It wasn't that was refreshing.
• 36:45
  And so my stuff like that happens and so like you know and
• 36:49
  so like you know there there are these moments but then you know,
• 36:52
  it's like, you know, they want to pause some kind of change
• 36:54
  things around and kind of make it better for the viewer when
• 36:57
  it's not necessarily better. For the is not for the viewers
• 36:59
  for the athletes. And so like you know the the
• 37:02
  athletes can bring out all the viewership, but I feel like if
• 37:04
  you if you put us on a higher pedestal you know saying And
• 37:07
  make it for us. I think that's what what will
• 37:11
  actually change before, they even change that hold, you know,
• 37:15
  rhetoric of 8 meters as far. I've, I've heard that so many
• 37:18
  times, like, people go. Oh, yeah.
• 37:19
  Job day 10 and, you know, I should be able to get a contract
• 37:22
  or something like that on the side due date.
• 37:24
  And it's not not good at all. It's okay to get to se c--'s.
• 37:30
  Like, that's like, we're gonna go real local, but I mean, I
• 37:33
  don't know how I got this far, but every time I say something,
• 37:36
  it's always, you know, your Being cocky or you're doing too
• 37:38
  much so that that's that is one of the fundamental differences
• 37:43
  between, you know, the the era in the 90s and into the 2000s
• 37:49
  where it didn't matter. If I was in Kerala, Italy,
• 37:55
  little small town or it mattered, or if it was enrolled,
• 37:59
  it did not matter. If I knew the Pedrosa or
• 38:03
  Beckford was going to be there, I was going to be there.
• 38:07
  That is how the long jump I feel is going to to raise its
• 38:13
  profile. You guys have to jump against
• 38:17
  each other. You know like the whole point of
• 38:20
  this whole exercise is that by the time you get to Worlds you
• 38:24
  should be sick and tired of seeing those guys, right?
• 38:29
  You should already have enough ammo in the back of your head to
• 38:33
  know when they're going to make your move wondering what they're
• 38:36
  going to do first. Jump how you're going to take to
• 38:40
  knock them off their pedestal, all of that stuff, you know.
• 38:43
  And I hate it that you know that we're in an era now, where, you
• 38:48
  know the politicking and all of that is going on and you know,
• 38:51
  whether it's me promoters that are trying to make sure their
• 38:54
  guy gets, you know, get some praise or whatever but it's
• 38:58
  hurting the event, man. I mean, that's it's, it's
• 39:01
  painful, it's painful to watch, you know, and hopefully like you
• 39:07
  Come out on the other side, man. I mean because it's the most
• 39:12
  Amaya trillion is the most beautiful event to watch.
• 39:15
  It's one of the hardest events to do in track and field and
• 39:18
  it's the most underappreciated event in track and field, you
• 39:23
  know, that's very can somebody go down the Cuba into the
• 39:28
  nightclub and get my man up off the mic and get him back to long
• 39:31
  jump and police to party. The sport has.
• 39:58
  Created these tears within itself, it didn't used to exist
• 40:03
  and there are legitimate second and third class citizens that
• 40:07
  are Elite and that doesn't make any sense.
• 40:10
  Like it used to be a gold medalist, was a gold medalist
• 40:14
  and that was it here. Yeah, and now like literally
• 40:17
  there are tears, not just Financial tears are always
• 40:20
  Financial tears, but there's like actually like respects
• 40:24
  level amount of metal amount of meat.
• 40:27
  Do you know the amount of exposure we will even allow you
• 40:32
  to have within the sport tears and that's Insanity?
• 40:37
  We talked we talked about on the show last time they did.
• 40:40
  Like I don't know when it went left but it went left hard and
• 40:45
  and I'm not sure and that's weird for me, but I'm not sure
• 40:50
  how we get it back. I have ideas, obviously, how to
• 40:53
  get it back, but the implementation is difficult
• 40:55
  because we Talk about this on the show a lot.
• 40:59
  There is no accountability at the exit at the very, very apex
• 41:05
  of the leadership, because there is no accountability at the
• 41:09
  belly, like, you guys as athletes globally, can't
• 41:14
  unionize. So, there isn't like track and
• 41:17
  field is not a leak, right? Right.
• 41:20
  Collective bargaining. There's no there's no cvaa.
• 41:23
  There's no right? Nobody can definitively say what
• 41:27
  a He'll track and field athlete is.
• 41:29
  And I have been talking about doing this and I think I'm
• 41:31
  actually I got a little bit of time before I start heavy, heavy
• 41:35
  heavy heavy into some things, but I think I'm going to go
• 41:38
  through it and see, I think I said to Clyde like my idea I
• 41:43
  think is it's like the PGA Tour. Where if you took the top 20 in
• 41:49
  the world, they would automatically be card-carrying.
• 41:53
  A level members of world Athletics.
• 41:57
  And then 21 to 30 would be will call them taxi Squad members,
• 42:04
  right? So like if you're 20 20 s in the
• 42:08
  world, if you get hurt that you're not going to be like, you
• 42:10
  got to earn your way back right along here, right?
• 42:12
  But if your 15th in the world and you get hurt like you're
• 42:15
  automatically back on the scene the following year, but that 20
• 42:19
  to 30 group is the group that is got that keeps people hungry,
• 42:23
  you know, right, is that right? Because you can lose, you know,
• 42:26
  they get to go to Diamond League.
• 42:27
  And do things, just not every one of them but--, but knowing
• 42:32
  that number 31 doesn't have a card and he's coming to get
• 42:35
  yours. That keeps everybody honest.
• 42:38
  But then you actually have a number, right?
• 42:41
  So like if your Seb Coe, and you actually were going to go try to
• 42:44
  sell track and field, you know what your actual, what's your,
• 42:47
  what's your membership is, right?
• 42:49
  You can't even, I mean, nobody can tell you how many
• 42:52
  professional track and field athletes are our It's not a
• 42:55
  number somewhere, just saying a lot.
• 42:58
  Yeah, you know, what do you have to make more money than you
• 43:03
  spend? I have something.
• 43:06
  So, like someone asked me this question to like I just did some
• 43:09
  at bar and so I just and I had my spending.
• 43:12
  I was like well I guess the you become professional when you
• 43:16
  just learn poisoning or when you participate meets with prize,
• 43:20
  money involved. And they paid for some type of
• 43:23
  airfare for you or some work like that.
• 43:26
  That's the only that him. So he just was like wow.
• 43:27
  That's my fate was like well I mean that's go to me.
• 43:31
  I'm going to want meat and get 2000 or I can go to London meet
• 43:34
  and get 3. Thousand.
• 43:35
  So I can't sit there and say each meat is worth this amount.
• 43:38
  It's just a matter of I went to the meat because I got invited
• 43:41
  and that means I'm professional but and I said the money and he
• 43:45
  just was like, so it's not like a, you know, I guess you kept
• 43:47
  trying to compare it to football.
• 43:49
  I was like, so don't do you guys get it?
• 43:51
  Get a game check. You guys have dirty sales.
• 43:53
  I was like, that's the point point, right?
• 43:56
  Because it's because there's no actual professionality and it's
• 44:00
  not a league and there is no defined membership, goes all the
• 44:03
  things that those are all revenue.
• 44:04
  Dreams that can't exist because who wants to buy something
• 44:07
  that's ambiguous, right? And they don't lie.
• 44:10
  Now literally just throwing money up in the air and watch
• 44:13
  the sea mind around kiss. My people on the panel know more
• 44:16
  about track and field than anything.
• 44:17
  And there's a lot of it that none of us can understand how is
• 44:21
  the general has the general public population to post to
• 44:25
  understand how track and field works when we're all trying to
• 44:27
  figure it out. How it's changing speci, 1819
• 44:30
  events specifically, I guess, how do you find someone who's
• 44:33
  only Sign of, you know, pole vault and then make the be a
• 44:37
  failure of the 10,000 and then, you know, do you know do you
• 44:41
  know what track and field was? Like when it was not
• 44:46
  professional, not a wall. So I remember I talked to my
• 44:50
  aunt some like my Aunt Sarah, she was like sheer a
• 44:54
  professional for a little bit, you know.
• 44:56
  And she she explained to me, I guess like I guess a brief
• 45:00
  interaction where I guess it was just more so I wouldn't say it
• 45:04
  was I want to say like less stressful, but it wasn't like
• 45:09
  like, you didn't, I guess when you got like after the meat,
• 45:12
  they actually paid you in cash or something like that.
• 45:14
  Absolutely. It wasn't like, it wasn't like
• 45:18
  you had. So, you know, imagine imagine.
• 45:22
  Imagine this scenario. It would give it to you.
• 45:26
  Imagine this scenario, you get on the plane.
• 45:29
  You started your first meet. You got three meats in 10 days,
• 45:33
  right? Get to you first.
• 45:34
  Meet your agent, collects your travel money, right?
• 45:38
  So that first meet is 500 bucks. You collect your your payment
• 45:45
  after the meet to three in the morning in line at a dark room.
• 45:50
  And there was a gentleman's agreement that the minimum you
• 45:54
  could make was a thousand dollars.
• 45:57
  Minimum. Okay, let's say you fall out,
• 46:01
  you're still getting $500. Okay cash.
• 46:06
  Yeah, you get on the plane. You go to your next meet $500.
• 46:10
  I travel. Okay, then you get paid that
• 46:16
  meat right, by the time you get to the end 10 days, you've
• 46:20
  collected cash but three meats. Are you heading home and you're
• 46:25
  nervous as hell Marquis, how much cash are you allowed to
• 46:33
  bring into the United States? How much?
• 46:38
  Nope. It's lower than that.
• 46:40
  Now listen, 9999 99 Cents, you can bring more Lego, so you
• 46:49
  can't bring 10,000, no? Okay, anything less than 10, but
• 46:53
  you can't bring 10 or anything law.
• 46:55
  He will tax you at the airport right there and then at the
• 46:59
  airport. Yes, absolutely bang.
• 47:03
  So if you were, if you try to bring a hundred thousand dollars
• 47:05
  into the into the country and they busted you they would take
• 47:08
  30 Five thousand dollars of that.
• 47:11
  That day right there, right there.
• 47:13
  And then thanks, I was going to say, tell them how to tell
• 47:20
  Marquis how you guys got it in. This is the best part for me
• 47:25
  shoes shoes. I put neath the webbing in your
• 47:31
  in. Yeah in your luggage.
• 47:33
  I push I think 8,000 or 10,000 dollars split into two five
• 47:37
  thousand dollar Stacks underneath the The insole of my
• 47:41
  of my Nikes. Yeah, or they weren't my Nikes
• 47:44
  actually enjoy your elevator shoes as yes, I wish I was
• 47:49
  taller. It was there was one particular
• 47:52
  year. I figured out that as long as I
• 47:55
  was coming back from a major championships, I guess I was
• 47:58
  just coming back from Goodwill. All right, go through or coming
• 48:02
  back from Worlds. So I just make stuff up, but
• 48:06
  that's how it was. And I hate that you're going
• 48:10
  through it now or you're going through is is there has there
• 48:15
  been any Clarity on how long track meet can take to pay you
• 48:21
  after you've completed? So I actually lie so because I'm
• 48:26
  always late and getting all my payments.
• 48:29
  I think it's personally to me on there was this but like
• 48:31
  everything else but I personally thought I saw you And so, what
• 48:41
  the issue is, and this is for Verbatim.
• 48:44
  What they were telling me that we're at Lenox actually has no
• 48:47
  control over when they send any funds out.
• 48:50
  Well, I love them like not, not a, not anybody's mean.
• 48:53
  I'm really not know me true or not true agent.
• 48:55
  No one who has the primary control is a IU.
• 48:59
  CA IU the and anti-doping. So, pretty much essentially is
• 49:04
  what they like, how their what their message is and it's Easily
• 49:09
  painfully like not logical to me in a fur business a point and
• 49:14
  I'm not in the business major, I'm just you know just
• 49:17
  street-smart like this is stupid.
• 49:18
  So what they do is they wait until they test everyone.
• 49:24
  So I save you got to meet. So like for example changes,
• 49:26
  they'll they'll test people the week prior to World
• 49:30
  Championships during World Championship and the week after.
• 49:33
  So like those three weeks. And so, once all three of those
• 49:36
  weeks of all those texting testings are I've done no matter
• 49:40
  if it's they could have tested the same athlete.
• 49:42
  Three times, two times, one time or just random athletes at all.
• 49:46
  They wait till all those collections are done and then
• 49:50
  and then they go out and go through.
• 49:53
  I guess in alphabetical order name place and all that stuff
• 49:58
  and then they give out and then they go to okay.
• 50:00
  Well did you ask to get it sent to you, which are your agent.
• 50:03
  And so it's like it's a very, very long slow process.
• 50:05
  And so when I asked them I said okay well Just for, you know,
• 50:10
  just glad I go to a meeting. So I asked him some time with.
• 50:12
  Hey, look. So why don't why?
• 50:14
  Why I've not a process in which, you know, you can, you know, I
• 50:17
  guess pay the athletes. Like, right away.
• 50:20
  I said to me, but I'll testing, but, you know, still test and
• 50:24
  then with the comes back, any type of - I like that, you know,
• 50:27
  recoup it and find them, you know, obviously go along with
• 50:30
  the same band stuff. Maybe say, hey, look, maybe
• 50:33
  maybe when they re re, you know, so we're going to give you a
• 50:35
  lifetime ban until you give us back this prize money and the
• 50:39
  fine. And then you're in here, band
• 50:40
  goes to whatever. Four years, 22 months because
• 50:43
  your extension of like that whatever goes on.
• 50:45
  But to withhold the money on people who have always in
• 50:50
  positive never have ever cheated because the possibly of someone
• 50:54
  else could be cheating. We have how it could mess up the
• 50:57
  flow of money and stuff like that but it but if your issue is
• 51:00
  like not paying someone 70 grand, when you win second
• 51:05
  place, should have gotten that extra whatever the difference
• 51:07
  is. I get that Hard to kind of get
• 51:09
  that good for one else, but there's be consistency plans for
• 51:14
  when someone does test and you're trying to pay out people
• 51:16
  because this this is an awesome. So I always say I was bringing
• 51:19
  up my yeah. So you know imagine you working
• 51:21
  a job, you work entire year, they pay you.
• 51:23
  So next year and no one and everyone goes more than this.
• 51:27
  Isn't that the same thing? I so yeah.
• 51:29
  But that's what I like when I was born.
• 51:32
  I didn't think. Okay, I'm going to start this to
• 51:35
  like, do this track and field thing.
• 51:36
  I just know, I just know like you know what?
• 51:38
  The basic Ways of the world is you work?
• 51:40
  You get paid, unless it's slavery.
• 51:42
  So I'll let you do. This is a reaction to the amount
• 51:47
  of drug positives, especially the ones that have come 5, 10,
• 51:53
  15 years later down the track. When they are holding the
• 51:57
  samples and trying to figure out, you know, how they're going
• 52:00
  to get ahead of the game, you know, and this and it's not fair
• 52:03
  to you, it's not fair to you, God knows.
• 52:07
  I've been there. I've missed a couple House
• 52:09
  payments. Because of that.
• 52:10
  Like, it's not fun, it's not fun to deal with.
• 52:14
  So, yeah, that's, that's, there's, there's still have a
• 52:19
  long way to go. Yeah, smooth out the edges.
• 52:23
  What do you think of the final three?
• 52:27
  Like that little like coat. Like that little like after only
• 52:31
  three people get the next to the basket.
• 52:33
  After the fifth round. Yeah, that's stupid again,
• 52:36
  smurfin, it's stupid. Question are things at the end
• 52:43
  of the world's, I saved, please take out, like, I apply my name
• 52:46
  to the, the guy with the black hat and Ricky's dendy.
• 52:49
  No, that's me, I'm telling you, that this is, this is very poor,
• 52:53
  it's very poor. I would have put a whole note in
• 52:54
  the back. I said, listen, I I get how you
• 52:58
  again, like, just trying to make it entertaining for people who
• 53:02
  are watching or first-time viewers I get out, but even if
• 53:05
  you, even if I do, get it on a 1% level, it's not doing
• 53:08
  anything. I guess for the, for the Leti of
• 53:11
  the of the jump. Like, you know, I mean I've you
• 53:13
  know, we always are thing is last one best one and so, you
• 53:16
  know, I don't wanna say that I'm doing my last jump and if I
• 53:19
  somehow some, which way, you know, get pumped out of that top
• 53:24
  three, you know, right before it's my time to act dumb and
• 53:27
  it's like, well, you know, I don't get a chance to actually
• 53:29
  respond. Yeah, top of that.
• 53:31
  I also don't like how, you know, if you're in first you now
• 53:35
  because I'm first. Yeah, that's awesome.
• 53:38
  That was the stupidest reaction. Change of all of the Dome
• 53:42
  reactionary changes. They've made that was weird
• 53:45
  because because because again and it just reminds me of the
• 53:48
  time because in 2018 they it was, this is an indoor.
• 53:51
  It was actually they try to implement this at Worlds, where
• 53:54
  it was like, only the last. So like it was the last four
• 53:59
  people got to do their last four jumps but then only the people
• 54:03
  got 50 40. So I was So I jumped into like
• 54:15
  third or something like that he dropped into second, I jumped
• 54:17
  into second and then I have to jump right away.
• 54:20
  I have a jump again because I jumped.
• 54:22
  So I went from a place and then I'll because I'm in like right
• 54:30
  away and so I was like, this isn't good.
• 54:33
  I mean you know and then on top of the same time.
• 54:36
  So I got to wait to is like, you know, it was really bad.
• 54:39
  So I never I never I also hate it when they changed it, taking
• 54:43
  this from a minute to 30 seconds.
• 54:45
  That was expedient. My entire routine.
• 54:47
  You know, it again, they're they're doing a whole lot to
• 54:50
  change it for the wrong people, you know?
• 54:53
  I mean and I get like I said like if you look at it from
• 54:56
  outside and people who aren't athletes that are just guys who
• 54:59
  are just thinking, okay, you know, how can we get?
• 55:01
  So I can feel more exposure. They just go.
• 55:02
  Okay, we got to make it more exciting.
• 55:04
  When you did not ask me that is either done this for it or just
• 55:08
  you're either really like a real true fan of sports.
• 55:10
  Really watch. What's going Go on because you
• 55:11
  wouldn't have changed in first place.
• 55:12
  Because this is a, no, this isn't about changing how the
• 55:16
  competition works. It's just say to you, to either
• 55:18
  the quality or just, I guess just be making it more
• 55:23
  available. There's so many Gio's
• 55:25
  restrictions on track meets and that's more of the problem.
• 55:28
  My tracking abilities, and getting more exposure in the
• 55:30
  first person. It is taking our last two jobs.
• 55:34
  So I feel like, you know, I can't even read.
• 55:36
  I can't even watch like, well, I guess retweeted track me and
• 55:39
  Monica was difficult. Even watch me.
• 55:41
  Me you know me. I just was like, yeah, this is
• 55:44
  crazy. So you know stuff like that.
• 55:46
  So we're you know if they kind of go go in as again it's just
• 55:49
  all money in politics. But you know, it's just it's
• 55:52
  hurting the sport more than they're thinking that they're
• 55:54
  actually helping and is that her and athletes.
• 55:56
  A lot of athletes are way more frustrated, especially, where a
• 55:59
  lot of these new, you know, new age athletes that are coming in
• 56:01
  like a lot of people in my class conscious, you know, we just
• 56:05
  kind of hard to see, just kind of go with the flow type of
• 56:07
  stuff, but I'm always new people in.
• 56:09
  He's like younger classes that are coming.
• 56:10
  Out of college. I'm just like expansion.
• 56:12
  They're just like this is crazy man.
• 56:14
  I can't believe this is what's going on.
• 56:16
  You know. We got to do something about my
• 56:17
  yeah. We've been there done that.
• 56:19
  We felt you about three or three or four years ago.
• 56:21
  We tried it. We just saw your list, it's a
• 56:23
  way to bigger it is, it's bigger for us, it's not enough.
• 56:27
  People who aren't athletes. I mean he beat me.
• 56:30
  We got a train. We can't focus too much on, you
• 56:33
  know, to me, I guess your things.
• 56:35
  You know, we have about 44 weeks outside the season doesn't
• 56:38
  really be like change tracking. Ulam and faltering starts and
• 56:43
  then we're right back to the right.
• 56:44
  We got do. So yeah it's super annoying and
• 56:47
  it's just like hard because you know like and even with with me
• 56:50
  like I've tried to like even get just more viewership with per
• 56:55
  person. As far as I felt like a lot of
• 56:57
  times like going to do in the cold a time.
• 57:00
  You know, I would value and come talk to a lot of the other album
• 57:02
  American athletes to kind of get on, you know, just kind of being
• 57:05
  able to kind of I guess create like a track-and-field channel
• 57:10
  per half. Beat to where you would watch
• 57:11
  them, you know, train work out, you know, where they had, I had
• 57:14
  a trained group, you know, they could come on fan to watch your
• 57:19
  entire group of stuff like that to kind of get you more at least
• 57:22
  getting to understand, like, you know, your training side of it.
• 57:24
  Kind of like, I think a lot of times people just see people
• 57:27
  line up on, you know, all on the runway or on a, you know, sit on
• 57:31
  the 100-meter dash like that, you know, we know the actual
• 57:34
  person behind them, but behind the blocks, they just think,
• 57:39
  okay, you know, that person wants to win.
• 57:41
  And but meanwhile, you have no idea like that guy's homeless,
• 57:44
  and he's, you know, you've been training since whatever whatever
• 57:46
  is Mommy and passed for that. Like, you know, everyone had a
• 57:48
  story and so not only knows those stories and so that kind
• 57:51
  of gets pushed away the side if you're not doing very well.
• 57:53
  So I felt like, you know, as athletes, we can kind of do
• 57:56
  better to kind of curl. I guess get more fans and kind,
• 57:59
  of course, it's by 2 pi by promoting ourselves, but it's
• 58:02
  only but so much. We can do when you have, you
• 58:04
  know, kind of like an entire organization.
• 58:07
  Not really doing much of anything to really make us make
• 58:10
  It better and it's super annoying than a lot of guys just
• 58:13
  kind of give up and kind of move on and kind of go.
• 58:15
  Okay, you know what, I'm put my head down and just win medals to
• 58:18
  get the exposure but it's kind of where I'm at.
• 58:20
  I mean I just kind of I no longer was difficult.
• 58:23
  I know it's hard to kind of get that but y'all going to watch me
• 58:25
  if I jump 870 bucket hat my hat backwards or do something like
• 58:35
  that? So Fade Out mentally and not
• 58:43
  just physically. A lot of people just kind of
• 58:45
  leave the sport just like mentally strong on versus
• 58:48
  physically. So, you know, it can get
• 58:51
  definitely definitely context think well.
• 58:55
  So you've talked about a lot about viewership and being seen
• 58:59
  and what not. And that's been the reference
• 59:01
  for most of this conversation. So we're going to go in a
• 59:04
  Direction so neck and asked you first Jump coaches Mount
• 59:09
  Rushmore. Who do you put up there so it's
• 59:12
  a good representation. Is this a lengthy?
• 59:16
  Double-a level? Right.
• 59:17
  As you double-a level? Yes.
• 59:19
  Yes, sorry so I mean I have to put my mentor on course, Gary
• 59:26
  Pepin. I've always really respected
• 59:28
  what he's done and he certainly on their boots.
• 59:32
  Jack Snyder. Definitely on there.
• 59:36
  I would have to put dick booth on there.
• 59:39
  Clearly what? He did, a terrible job was and
• 59:42
  then my fourth one. Is the guy who I don't think it
• 59:46
  gets much credit, but Joe Walker.
• 59:49
  You know, he, whether it's Britney or Stringfellow or he
• 59:53
  was always pretty cool. Always did a great job.
• 59:56
  So, you know, those are the four people.
• 59:58
  I always looked up to, and and I've always tried to emulate and
• 1:00:03
  be like, so those are the, the mount rushmore's for me.
• 1:00:08
  So Marquis, same question your your tier who are the four NCAA?
• 1:00:14
  The jumpers that you would put on the month, Mount Rushmore to
• 1:00:18
  represent the jumps. So jumpers, G Legend, asked
• 1:00:22
  coaches. I wouldn't
• 1:00:38
  Phone numbers. Let's see if your history.
• 1:00:44
  I was going to say if you need help.
• 1:01:32
  You got at least get just one obvious.
• 1:01:35
  One got to just come with right now.
• 1:01:36
  Let's go. I'm not helping you out.
• 1:01:41
  Either. Imma watch.
• 1:01:42
  It's like, you take. I don't know where we're going.
• 1:01:43
  Imma watch this is hilarious. This is, this is good.
• 1:02:10
  You're getting an inside view of the coach athlete relationship
• 1:02:13
  right now because he is, he's gotten history, lesson, invent
• 1:02:18
  tent video of multiple of these people.
• 1:02:21
  And, no, I just, I like you right off the top.
• 1:02:26
  I'm not a history buff. I'm just like history, like
• 1:02:29
  Destroyer like it. My name is out there.
• 1:02:30
  I kind of don't care. So fun.
• 1:02:44
  So I again, so this this may not be anybody's particular Mount
• 1:02:51
  Rushmore of the men's long jump that the NCAA, but the list
• 1:02:56
  might matter so I'm gonna give him list.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, fourth place on the list is Kevin Dilworth from Abilene
• 1:03:08
  Christian 8. 47 third on the list, Melvin Lister Arkansas,
• 1:03:17
  849 second. Ironically on the list Kareem
• 1:03:22
  Street Thompson of Rice University at 8:56 and then the
• 1:03:28
  record is 874 by Eric Walter Walter Walter, at UTEP tonight,
• 1:03:34
  you to Arkansas with, with the, with the are Officially
• 1:03:40
  generated 2.0 and that they had, it is a 2.0.
• 1:03:45
  Perfect went, there you go. Yes, it is absolutely to be
• 1:03:50
  fair. He is tied for fourth on that
• 1:03:53
  list with mr. Dilworth at 8:47, yes.
• 1:03:59
  I don't have an Wednesday. I want I want to hear what the
• 1:04:12
  rest of the panel gives us an answer to the question, you
• 1:04:15
  asked Nick Come scotia's. Just coaches Mount Rushmore.
• 1:04:20
  I'll make it simple. Nick actually got the exact for
• 1:04:23
  that. I had in mind.
• 1:04:25
  Those are my four so it was it was boobs.
• 1:04:28
  Pepin, boom, Booth happened, Booth dick, booth, and, and Joe,
• 1:04:37
  Walker and Joakim. Okay?
• 1:04:41
  You want me to go, who's yours? This is part of what I was.
• 1:04:46
  We were yelling about today. I think you were yelling me.
• 1:04:52
  I was And I have done this revolving
• 1:05:25
  door round-robin on the, on the fourth head, a multitude of
• 1:05:30
  times today and I knew I would have won a lot of money that you
• 1:05:37
  put coach Pepin on there by the way.
• 1:05:40
  And that's not a diss, their loyalty.
• 1:05:45
  And I have a great deal of respect for Coach Walker but I
• 1:05:52
  think my fourth one might actually surprise you and I I
• 1:05:56
  fought with this a lot today because this coach is kind of in
• 1:06:01
  the middle of things and there's still a lot to do but just based
• 1:06:06
  on PBS of what they've coached. It might very well actually be
• 1:06:10
  unique. Hmm.
• 1:06:12
  And I said that earlier today is Is that I'm always leery of
• 1:06:18
  putting people on Mount Rushmore, is that are they got a
• 1:06:21
  whole lot more stuff to do? But if you just look at the
• 1:06:24
  peavey's of the people, you've coached both genders and
• 1:06:27
  horizontal jumps kind of hard to not put you on there.
• 1:06:34
  I appreciate that. I mean, it's, it's funny cuz and
• 1:06:37
  to Lucius down there, we'll, we'll grin at me because he's
• 1:06:40
  constantly challenging me. Never yelling, never yelling
• 1:06:45
  silence and no, no, no. You know, I appreciate that and
• 1:07:05
  when you've got time for the athletes and you work hard and
• 1:07:08
  put them in the right place, it's things things.
• 1:07:11
  Work out well for you. EB cannot cannot sell the
• 1:07:14
  truthful statement. Yeah, he didn't put himself
• 1:07:19
  there so I instantly moved him to number five.
• 1:07:25
  It's funny cuz I don't know, you know, I'm a lot like my father.
• 1:07:36
  My father doesn't talk much. He's very humble.
• 1:07:39
  He built himself a business and he I won't tell anybody and I
• 1:07:44
  don't know if I don't have a maybe my ego needs to get back,
• 1:07:48
  get bigger but I don't know. I asked the question.
• 1:07:52
  Can you put yourself on that list and I can't, I'm happy that
• 1:07:57
  others would consider that and I'm honored but I can't put my
• 1:08:02
  hygienist. What are the other things I was
• 1:08:04
  being yelled at me today? I feel like because, you know, I
• 1:08:10
  feel like there should be a photo shoot.
• 1:08:12
  Shoot. Where you know, you take, you
• 1:08:17
  know, the team trophies per se, but to represent every Champion
• 1:08:22
  or Podium winner that you had take the pit, take the picture.
• 1:09:06
  Well, dick booth. Unquestioned mean that, that era
• 1:09:13
  at Arkansas. Mean never be challenged.
• 1:09:19
  I doubt it that, that was That was insane, huh?
• 1:09:49
  And you know, you can say what you want about me.
• 1:09:55
  Literally the only person that he has on this list is Carl.
• 1:10:00
  But I mean Leroy I jumped lie right down there too.
• 1:10:03
  Yeah. You know I knew right hand.
• 1:10:05
  Yeah so and Leroy has a has a very slightly windy 28 footer.
• 1:10:10
  Yes that Provo. Utah College up in Provo and
• 1:10:15
  Provo. Yeah, Dean Hayes.
• 1:10:18
  I mean the man coast until he died.
• 1:10:22
  Yeah. Cat a really high level at a
• 1:10:24
  really high level. And then number four I want to
• 1:10:31
  go Homer when young yang go Shang if Nick if you knew.
• 1:10:40
  If I was if I could sit down with you have a drink and
• 1:10:46
  explain to you what this man did with nothing and I'm talking
• 1:10:52
  about not talking about Green hurdles or sleds or like this
• 1:10:57
  man would just Make stuff up. Get serious.
• 1:11:03
  No, no. I experienced that firsthand.
• 1:11:06
  Yes. That's like, we're doing what
• 1:11:08
  Korean? Yes.
• 1:11:09
  And we're bounding up one level of the of the honor of the
• 1:11:14
  on-ramp at the football stadium. Yes.
• 1:11:18
  What? Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  Well because Koh Chang. Got some.
• 1:11:23
  Somebody surfaced just one level.
• 1:11:25
  Yep. Yeah.
• 1:11:28
  Hey if this man had had a chance to work with other jumpers of my
• 1:11:34
  caliber. Oh my goodness.
• 1:11:36
  This is no question. So that's that's my top for like
• 1:11:41
  it. I got it.
• 1:11:44
  I only have one, very, very quick.
• 1:11:45
  Exit question for dendy. Before they go does then he do
• 1:11:49
  you know where you are on that list on Sunday?
• 1:11:54
  A all-time list. Do you know where you are?
• 1:11:56
  No, damn it man. You're 13, but tied for 30th.
• 1:12:42
  Wherever I fell on all time list.
• 1:12:44
  I didn't, I just was like, I want to be the best so I went
• 1:12:47
  and did that. So yeah, that's that's oh yeah,
• 1:12:49
  I never really know. I should know, ever know any of
• 1:12:51
  my stats now. I think about it.
• 1:12:53
  I only know pb's because I write them when I signed them.
• 1:12:56
  Like, people come to your dime, lean meats, and they're just,
• 1:12:59
  they have a ton of photos and they just like walk and follow
• 1:13:02
  you everywhere. Wow, it's crazy.
• 1:13:06
  I can't leave built a Dandy. I hate to bust your bubble.
• 1:13:09
  You have another 40 Years of that.
• 1:13:11
  Yeah, no, no. Look, they still slick.
• 1:13:15
  This, they find me. I've moved like regular emails,
• 1:13:18
  I get ya quests. Like once a month, is that what
• 1:13:22
  happened for the rest of your life?
• 1:13:25
  They would send. I don't know how they got my
• 1:13:27
  address. They sent me like my photos, my
• 1:13:30
  house. It was like, he saw this any
• 1:13:32
  serum. Like your, what the hell's going
• 1:13:33
  on? So, yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:13:40
  So yeah, so I don't really know. TV's.
• 1:13:42
  Unless, when people say what I'm about to get announced, my one
• 1:13:45
  is all Marquise, then, D, like seventh.
• 1:13:47
  I mean, come on, Mary Cain, and so, I did that, because I really
• 1:13:49
  like, I'm just a person, like I treat track how track truth.
• 1:13:53
  People tracking fields are very much, what have you done for me
• 1:13:56
  lately sport. So you know, I just I'm always
• 1:13:59
  high. My latest is what I am and so I
• 1:14:02
  got to keep making it better. I keep trying to reset that
• 1:14:04
  every single time. So yeah, I mean, it's cool.
• 1:14:07
  Like I mean, it's like unless someone tells me or a lie,
• 1:14:11
  Drives my memory. Remember, I'll just keep it.
• 1:14:15
  I just know that I want to jump 8:08 68 and I want to jump
• 1:14:18
  further than 871 as long as you so I don't see those two numbers
• 1:14:21
  869 or 872 up. I've no idea.
• 1:14:27
  Oh, of course. Oh well yeah.
• 1:14:29
  But you gotta make that one step past another, one very quickly,
• 1:14:36
  you just got to do it at first time and I'd buy it.
• 1:14:39
  But it always takes the techniques of long.
• 1:14:41
  It's going from Like a large BB again.
• 1:14:44
  So I'm nervous that it might in my career that you know, after I
• 1:14:46
  pee VIP be to get very very quickly, it's just a matter of
• 1:14:50
  just PB and then you're being kind of Gonna Roll.
• 1:14:54
  We just gotta keep feeling that feeling.
• 1:14:56
  So once I get to that 869 then 80s anymore record comes out of
• 1:15:00
  that. So well ya know what you want to
• 1:15:08
  do need to do and should do. We're going to let you go.
• 1:15:11
  To sleep and dream about that and just no school.
• 1:15:23
  Yeah. So, you know, I can get I get to
• 1:15:25
  wake up at like 11:30 if I guess I still get my I can still get
• 1:15:28
  my 10 hours sleep, got it. Well, thank you so much for two
• 1:15:34
  of you definitely for taking the time to come on, and share some
• 1:15:37
  ideas and and having a little bit of fun.
• 1:15:40
  Hopefully it was fun for you. But enjoyed it.
• 1:15:43
  Awesome, awesome. Well I will make sure to get the
• 1:15:45
  link. I think we know a guy that knows
• 1:15:47
  a guy that can get you the links to the show.
• 1:15:49
  But other than that, enjoy yourselves this evening and
• 1:15:52
  we'll talk to you again soon. Thank you.
• 1:16:05
  Well, Man, that was some personality.
• 1:16:12
  No wonder the bucket hat works, right?
• 1:16:14
  Just rails and then even more. So definitely it's better on him
• 1:16:17
  than on the EP just tonight is my night.
• 1:16:23
  I will just accept that tonight. It's all just sort of absorb the
• 1:16:28
  love. Well, you know, we did dedicate
• 1:16:30
  most of the show to Our Guest this evening and opening up that
• 1:16:33
  can of worms of things that we wanted to make sure that we got
• 1:16:36
  to the Audience. But if you all haven't been
• 1:16:41
  noticing and I'm not sure how you haven't, if you, if you paid
• 1:16:44
  attention to show long enough, this Carousel that we call
• 1:16:47
  declare coaching, Carousel is off the chains again, Noted on
• 1:16:56
  this current date that we are recording.
• 1:16:58
  It is October 12, and there have been moves significantly,
• 1:17:03
  significant insignificant, but significant enough, In the last
• 1:17:07
  five days. Yep.
• 1:17:10
  Unreal unreal, so I'm going to go for it.
• 1:17:15
  Yeah, leaving the individuals out of it.
• 1:17:19
  I just I find it. God, I find it unprofessional
• 1:17:25
  that we are still making hires at this date and that's not, you
• 1:17:30
  know, people that are getting new opportunities like that's
• 1:17:32
  dope for them and I'm excited for them.
• 1:17:34
  Hell, I know a lot of those people personally, but I just
• 1:17:37
  don't understand from an administrative standpoint like,
• 1:17:40
  what world were living in? Where people are being hired,
• 1:17:42
  two new jobs, six weeks, seven weeks, eight weeks into, what
• 1:17:47
  should have been training already?
• 1:17:49
  Like this, can't be good. You know, for anybody, let alone
• 1:17:54
  the athletes by even if your new coach is though, and in some
• 1:17:57
  cases they are like, what kind of, you know, mental, you know,
• 1:18:03
  Madness are these athletes having to deal with, with all
• 1:18:06
  these super late moves and, you know, spinning of the of the
• 1:18:10
  last year's carousel right now. I think I hear you but like,
• 1:18:17
  it's not great for the athletes that are losing coach.
• 1:18:21
  So, Pretty good for the ones that are getting one because it
• 1:18:23
  didn't have one. Sure.
• 1:18:26
  But you understand say, well, I do.
• 1:18:28
  I do, I'm saying. Okay, my thing is, this is like,
• 1:18:31
  it just again speaks to the blatant disrespect or lack of
• 1:18:37
  respect that the people have for what we do.
• 1:18:41
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:18:42
  Because it, you would never hear about a football or a basketball
• 1:18:45
  or baseball coach, just getting hired ever, right?
• 1:18:49
  Never happened to, you would a coach would be Hired, but they
• 1:18:52
  would not be a higher. Right at this point, you there
• 1:18:56
  wouldn't be in order for one of them to get fired right now and
• 1:18:59
  have to be something catastrophic.
• 1:19:00
  What absolutely. Yes.
• 1:19:03
  You know, that's my that's my point told, you know, like you
• 1:19:07
  said like you got me that you got like major moves, like I
• 1:19:10
  know one that comes to mind like harmless Meadows, going back to
• 1:19:13
  FSU, that's big as really big 4f issues so it was he that Colgate
• 1:19:18
  right? Yes.
• 1:19:18
  Yeah. He was the head of Colgate.
• 1:19:20
  Yeah, right. So that's sexual Colgate because
• 1:19:22
  that you're not only your position coach.
• 1:19:25
  Is gone your head coach has gone?
• 1:19:27
  Yeah, I know they've already. They've I'm saying David pick
• 1:19:32
  itpick itpick itpick it is going to be the interim boss.
• 1:19:36
  Yeah. And and I know pic pics, a great
• 1:19:38
  dude, like props to ya, right? But part of this ain't been
• 1:19:42
  there that long. No, two years a year or
• 1:19:48
  something like that. He's been there since he left
• 1:19:50
  North Carolina. So it's the game is weird, man.
• 1:19:55
  In its wild right now. What was it French?
• 1:19:58
  He's headed to Iowa here, which is great props friendship,
• 1:20:03
  right? Coco head coach at SFA that said
• 1:20:07
  that coal to yeah. And that program, you know he's
• 1:20:14
  been a part of you know some really great results in that
• 1:20:18
  program the last couple years. So SFA is definitely taking a
• 1:20:21
  hit there and it's like you have to you have to That spot in
• 1:20:25
  theory, right? So what that spots going to get
• 1:20:28
  filled in December. We will hire at the convention
• 1:20:30
  or something that's like what's going on, I mean, that was
• 1:20:34
  happening last year and that's just that that that's the crazy
• 1:20:38
  part about it all. Is that like the coaching
• 1:20:41
  Carousel? Two solutions point, the
• 1:20:46
  coaching Carousel in the sport of Collegiate, track and field
• 1:20:50
  does not follow the Collegiate calendar, know any way, shape or
• 1:20:54
  form. All the sense of urgency does
• 1:20:59
  not match the Collegiate calendar at all.
• 1:21:01
  Like let's be clear if like you know colgate's case right there
• 1:21:06
  running cross country right now. Yep.
• 1:21:09
  Absolutely right. So so you lose a head coach.
• 1:21:12
  So now like literally someone has to take over a job that
• 1:21:16
  they've never done before. Yep, in season.
• 1:21:21
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:21:22
  Like you're already taking a job that can be incredibly
• 1:21:24
  challenging. Jake and just make it like three
• 1:21:26
  times more challenging. And let me ask this question to
• 1:21:32
  to, to the king and the old head on the pan, right.
• 1:21:37
  It feels like this phenomenon is getting worse.
• 1:21:42
  Over the last five, six years. Is that, just me having a wrong
• 1:21:46
  perspective or were they doing this 10?
• 1:21:49
  15 years ago. It feels like it's way more out
• 1:21:51
  of control now. Oh, it's way more out of
• 1:21:53
  control. Absolutely, okay.
• 1:21:58
  Fired and changing positions, way more rapidly than they used
• 1:22:02
  to. And the good thing that I can't
• 1:22:04
  seem to figure out here is like I can get them a go back to the
• 1:22:08
  respect level. Here's like we have There's jobs
• 1:22:11
  out there where like this, like I want to say like Sam.
• 1:22:15
  He doesn't have one person on their staff.
• 1:22:17
  Wow. They've they've hired somebody
• 1:22:19
  to kind of oversee cross country until they get people in place.
• 1:22:23
  It's almost November. You know, like but don't cook.
• 1:22:28
  Men's coats left who left and went back to his alma mater.
• 1:22:32
  Think they still have a coach? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:38
  And it's just, I mean, I don't get it and I can't tell you why
• 1:22:43
  it's happening. I got no idea, but it definitely
• 1:22:45
  was not like this 10:15, again, five years ago would like, it's
• 1:22:49
  just like, this is It kind of started after the pandemic.
• 1:22:54
  Well, let's put it in a context. How long is that Iowa job in
• 1:22:57
  open June? You know, that's a good point.
• 1:23:06
  Yeah. So you're telling me, like, over
• 1:23:07
  the summer, there was nobody, there was no one.
• 1:23:12
  That's the same thing with the, with the fam.
• 1:23:13
  You job has been open since, like, last April, or May.
• 1:23:18
  It's all right. All of us know at least one
• 1:23:23
  person. If not three or four that have
• 1:23:25
  applied for that job. Yes.
• 1:23:27
  Oh my God can't make no decisions none.
• 1:23:29
  Exactly. Yeah, it's seven.
• 1:23:35
  Mrs. Now without their jumps coach because he went to
• 1:23:38
  Louisville. So it's crazy, man.
• 1:23:44
  It's crazy. Okay, so here's my question.
• 1:23:49
  So, we talked about the respect of the job for me.
• 1:23:51
  And I assume this is from an administrative perspective, not
• 1:23:53
  necessarily from our peer level or whatever that's called.
• 1:23:59
  So then is part of the resolution.
• 1:24:01
  Quote-unquote respecting our Position in our careers and
• 1:24:04
  staying through the duration of the Year question mark.
• 1:24:08
  I mean, I don't think people K. So if you're the head coach at
• 1:24:13
  Colgate and you can go back, you can go to Florida state, which
• 1:24:17
  is a power of 5 job. Wonder.
• 1:24:19
  She's done your. How do you look your spouse in
• 1:24:22
  the eye and go? Well, you know, I'm gonna stay
• 1:24:24
  here, not do that. When I'm just, when I've been
• 1:24:28
  charged with bettering the life of my family, right, right.
• 1:24:32
  So see so much of my issue is not that, you know, Harless is
• 1:24:36
  going the shu My estimate issue is that like even the Bob bring
• 1:24:41
  was in his position because, you know, Bob losses throws coach
• 1:24:46
  you're in September in September.
• 1:24:48
  Yep. Right.
• 1:24:49
  You got, that's the issue. Like and what happened to the,
• 1:24:53
  you know, we've all been around the NCAA meet years ago where
• 1:24:58
  people knew they had jobs open or coming open and they were
• 1:25:01
  walking around talking, it was where you started.
• 1:25:04
  The process, you really wanted to meet him And if you were
• 1:25:08
  looking for a job dead, man, walking, and you just trying to
• 1:25:13
  network, I mean, that's what it was.
• 1:25:15
  But now it's kind of like whatever, you know.
• 1:25:19
  Yeah. I mean, I'm never going to be
• 1:25:21
  the guy that that be grudges coach X from heading off to, to
• 1:25:27
  job why if it's a better situation for them, their
• 1:25:32
  families, whatever. I mean that's a that's a
• 1:25:34
  personal thing to evaluate, right?
• 1:25:37
  I just think from an Administration standpoint.
• 1:25:40
  I think a lot of the chaos that we're currently seeing in this
• 1:25:43
  space is because As of the lack of respect, the lack of care and
• 1:25:48
  attention. In April and May, yeah, when
• 1:25:53
  decisions should probably be made, like if you're on the
• 1:25:57
  fence about keeping coach X or not in April, will make the
• 1:26:02
  decision in May. Don't don't start that process
• 1:26:04
  in July. Yeah, because now you've created
• 1:26:08
  all this chaos, well, I'll add something to this.
• 1:26:11
  Clyde is happening in all facets of our profession.
• 1:26:16
  We just lost or head trainer or head trainer star.
• 1:26:20
  That's it at NC State in three days.
• 1:26:25
  Oh, the athletic training Market is, we're literally is insane
• 1:26:30
  halfway through a football season and we were now
• 1:26:34
  advertising for our head trainer.
• 1:26:37
  I mean yeah. And you know what's weird?
• 1:26:39
  Since you brought that up II agree that it's similar in that,
• 1:26:44
  in that basic respect, but I think it's total also totally
• 1:26:47
  different because there seems to be The athletic training world
• 1:26:51
  and has had a lot of people just straight-up leave the
• 1:26:53
  profession, right? So everywhere that I know that
• 1:26:57
  has that issue. It's literally there's no one
• 1:27:00
  applying. There's no one available.
• 1:27:03
  That's not what separation coaches professional.
• 1:27:06
  There's a whole bunch of available coaches.
• 1:27:09
  Yep, there's a whole bunch of resumes getting put in like you
• 1:27:13
  know so it's it's tough. Yeah.
• 1:27:19
  Yeah. Stuff.
• 1:27:20
  The only thing I would add up to any of this, right?
• 1:27:22
  And this is to me, has always been the ultimate disrespect.
• 1:27:26
  It's how long the hiring process is take.
• 1:27:30
  Hmm, yes. Right.
• 1:27:32
  Like on average, it takes a month to hire a track coach.
• 1:27:39
  On average. Yes some are much further.
• 1:27:42
  Some are much longer. There are a few there are few
• 1:27:46
  that are shorter but I can tell you this, even in the place
• 1:27:50
  where they can hire a track coach in two weeks, they could
• 1:27:53
  hire a basketball coach in two days.
• 1:27:57
  Absolutely. And you know what?
• 1:27:59
  I'll throw this out there because I lived through that,
• 1:28:01
  right? My exit from cow to take over,
• 1:28:05
  San Jose State was relatively late in the calendar, but
• 1:28:09
  because I have my opinion, Good respectful like leadership here.
• 1:28:19
  Then cared about how this program is going to be put
• 1:28:22
  together moving forward. I was able to hire all of my
• 1:28:26
  assistant before Berkeley was able to replace me.
• 1:28:30
  Wow, yeah, which is insane. That is unheard of it is and I
• 1:28:35
  totally respect the HR crew in the way they were able to free
• 1:28:39
  up. The red tape for me to be able
• 1:28:41
  to get that done right on. The flip side, I have a
• 1:28:44
  colleague of mine. I'll leave the school out of it.
• 1:28:47
  He's the head coach, he's the director of track and field and
• 1:28:50
  he has no say-so in who in the applications come in.
• 1:28:57
  He has no say, so in How those go from application to hiring
• 1:29:03
  pool, the administrators, take the applications, read them,
• 1:29:08
  fumble through them, present him with a group and conduct the
• 1:29:12
  first interviews before he even gets to talk to somebody.
• 1:29:17
  That's nuts. Yeah, and that's actually
• 1:29:20
  relatively common, which is what, which I always thought
• 1:29:22
  that I've actually experienced. That Clyde, absolutely insane.
• 1:29:26
  Yeah, I have. So speaking of like, what is
• 1:29:32
  UCLA going to do? I mean, but forgot about that
• 1:29:36
  job. What are they going to do?
• 1:29:39
  I mean, did we forget? Or is it just no, that's the
• 1:29:42
  thing. No, but that's not an official
• 1:29:44
  thing though. Yeah.
• 1:29:49
  Okay. So we know that.
• 1:29:51
  So UCLA has a Sprint open. Yes.
• 1:29:56
  Great. I guess, I guess they'll hire
• 1:29:57
  them in December. Whoever it is, but again, the
• 1:30:02
  carousel, keep spinning because more than likely they're going
• 1:30:06
  to more than likely. This is all assumption.
• 1:30:10
  Someone's got to vacate a spot to take that spot.
• 1:30:13
  Correct because currently with me that we can think of right?
• 1:30:17
  Someone who's jobless or who has retired or whatever the
• 1:30:20
  situation might be to fill that spot, it's going to be a
• 1:30:23
  replacement and it down. It's a major.
• 1:30:26
  That's a major appointment, right?
• 1:30:27
  Exactly, though. That that line should be long.
• 1:30:34
  In the same town. Wow.
• 1:30:36
  Well I mean, if you're thinking and you're looking we're giving
• 1:30:42
  you a couple places to send that resume to.
• 1:30:44
  So go ahead and get on that as a job.
• 1:30:47
  Still open at Tulane. Also what?
• 1:30:50
  Hmm. Hey the division 2 crew Cal
• 1:30:54
  State East Bay needs so to San Francisco State.
• 1:31:00
  The Bay Area is a wonderful place to be people.
• 1:31:02
  Come on in I'll give you a tour. Yeah.
• 1:31:06
  So and I mean, respectively those places need.
• 1:31:09
  Well, I know East Bay has one coaching position but they're
• 1:31:13
  looking for a staff San Francisco's looking to SF States
• 1:31:17
  looking to hire a staff. It's just, it's a lot and it's,
• 1:31:22
  you know, Scott has got to put yourself out there and figure
• 1:31:28
  out what you're willing to do and what you're not willing to
• 1:31:31
  do and and those people who are putting you out there, you know
• 1:31:36
  I know I've put out several names A lot of times for a lot
• 1:31:38
  of different level jobs and it's still happening.
• 1:31:42
  So figure out what you want to do.
• 1:31:45
  People the Pew, you're empowered to say no at this point is
• 1:31:52
  different than any employment landscape than any of us have
• 1:31:55
  ever. In while we're on this planet,
• 1:31:57
  right? Because there always has been
• 1:32:01
  talked about Job Solutions job, shortages and deficits.
• 1:32:07
  And this to my knowledge. I've been on this planet for 52
• 1:32:10
  years. This is the first and only time
• 1:32:12
  where there has been an employer and employee shortage.
• 1:32:17
  They actually are. There were three point eight
• 1:32:20
  million jobs unfilled in the United States right now.
• 1:32:24
  Wow, that's just wild. Like I know people who are
• 1:32:31
  Closing businesses or can't do greater volume in their small
• 1:32:36
  businesses because they cannot hire someone and they're paying
• 1:32:40
  like out-of-pocket numbers, right?
• 1:32:42
  Like for a job that would usually be $12 an hour.
• 1:32:44
  They're all, they're starting the job at $20 an hour.
• 1:32:47
  They can't get anybody to take it.
• 1:32:50
  So we are definitely covid did a lot of untalked about unforeseen
• 1:32:56
  things to the United States that it will.
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  It's always going to be interesting to see how it shakes
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  out on the back. So I'm just going to say this
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  out loud and we'll move on that. Ripple, is it necessary -
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  because entrepreneurship and Innovation is booming?
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  Well, yeah. And so it's not - and I want to
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  make sure that everyone doesn't get on that negative wave and
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  write it or write it like entrepreneurship is on the rise,
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  and it's an actual degree. And it's something that people
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  are thriving off of. So, it's decisions, right?
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  You are unable to make a decision.
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  Make a decision. So I mean, hence, internet
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  coaching, but we shall move on. Quiet.
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  Would you rather are you ready sir since I didn't know it was
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  my turn. I know I know I think I always
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  think of going to be anyways Chipotle or Qdoba.
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  I've never eaten it at Qdoba, but I'm going to tell you right
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  now. I'm always Disappointed when I
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  spend money at Chipotle so I'm going to go cute /.
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  It's just not worth the price, you have to pay, would you
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  rather be than the ocean or a lake?
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  They both feel very dirty to me. That's an easy question to
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  answer. One is salty, and I'd like one
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  is salty. One is one is fresh water, fresh
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  water. Well, then give me the fresh
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  water that is in a lake. Would you rather be at the
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  speaker at an event or a person of highlight in the audience Oh,
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  yeah. Put me.
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  Put me in front of the microphone.
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  I'm good. Chicka chicka.
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  Yeah, would you rather be able to play the piano or the guitar?
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  Oh, man, I actually would love to learn how to play either, but
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  I've never had the patience for either.
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  So I feel like In my, in my random.
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  Oh, what would it be like to be a musician?
• 1:34:58
  I feel like the guitar is more cool.
• 1:34:59
  So I'm going to take the guitar. Would you rather have peanuts or
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  pretzels on your plane ride? I do not eat plain food if I
• 1:35:09
  don't have 20 clutch, my pearls. Oh my gosh.
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  I was like, they don't serve either one of those in first
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  class now. Right?
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  You know, the the only food on the plane I will engage in is if
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  I'm so happy to be in first class of which there are no
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  peanuts or pretzels but When I was doing the, the soul playing
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  travel portion of my life. Oh my god.
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  Wow. I did a whole.
• 1:35:43
  Wow, last dinner, would you rather play zone defense or
• 1:35:47
  man-to-man? What sport?
• 1:35:49
  Are we talk about it? Answer the question.
• 1:35:54
  I mean man man. Got it.
• 1:35:58
  Would you rather watch Lord of the Rings series or Harry
• 1:36:01
  Potter? Lord of the Rings in?
• 1:36:03
  It's not even close. I can't I can't even get
• 1:36:06
  through. One of the Harry Potter movies.
• 1:36:10
  Would you rather enjoy this? Enjoy the sunset or enjoy them
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  at sunrise? Y'all like mornings Sunset.
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  All right, gentlemen, the floor is yours.
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  If I'm up in early enough for Sunrise, I'm probably upset or
• 1:36:26
  I've had an incredible night I guess.
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  Oh, my gosh. Would you rather spend two days
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  with the 24 year old Charles Ryan, or the 29?
• 1:36:44
  Year-old Charles, run? Those are such specific numbers.
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  Um, let me think it's 24. Verses 29, where were you?
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  And what were you doing? It's exactly the math.
• 1:36:58
  I'm trying to run in my head. I know.
• 1:37:02
  I'm bad at instant math. What years were those twenty?
• 1:37:06
  Four and twenty nine. So that's 2004-2009.
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  So just post grad. And then there's a method to my
• 1:37:17
  madness here. So, or just post free free.
• 1:37:22
  Are you, is that about right? No, no, no, 9.
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  Yeah, pretty, are you? So, I was still at Tech.
• 1:37:28
  I was pretty broken both places. Ballin on a budget.
• 1:37:35
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna go 20. I'm go 29.
• 1:37:39
  I was heavily happier individual, in Louisiana than I
• 1:37:42
  was and Knoxville I liked you, much better in the Louisiana
• 1:37:48
  than I did you and Knoxville. Fair enough.
• 1:37:53
  Not like it. I like I didn't like dislike you
• 1:37:55
  and Knoxville but I liked you much.
• 1:37:57
  It was there a is there? A question usual?
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  Hey, I was just commenting off your wonderful question.
• 1:38:04
  The pick on the EP H is over, I mean almost I wasn't aware that
• 1:38:12
  you made these decisions. I am the P.
• 1:38:15
  Salute. See that going to do it when you
• 1:38:22
  get picked on so you can take it, like, a man in this morning.
• 1:38:26
  So anyway, we will let you, we will let you know, when we
• 1:38:29
  decide to stop picking on me. I didn't know it was my turn.
• 1:38:36
  It is now, did you get to decide that?
• 1:38:44
  Exactly, I'm not ready yet. Well, clearly the governor's
• 1:38:49
  over there. Doing a lot of arm movements.
• 1:39:02
  Would you rather travel the world for free?
• 1:39:06
  For a year or have 50,000 dollars to spend however, you
• 1:39:10
  please. Only for a year.
• 1:39:17
  Travel the world free for a year.
• 1:39:22
  Yeah, that feels more valuable to me.
• 1:39:25
  I had a feeling you'd say that. All right, and it starts being
• 1:39:29
  renaissance man. Yeah, and I'll mean value as a
• 1:39:33
  monetarily like just life experience.
• 1:39:37
  Yes. I was trying to do to decide
• 1:39:41
  between several Petty questions because of your the petty guys.
• 1:39:45
  So well you are the EP so you can indulge yourself with to
• 1:39:48
  know I'm good. This I settled on this one.
• 1:39:52
  Would you rather be Jordan pool knowing that whole world knows
• 1:39:58
  that you got your face caved in, but you're going to be a warrior
• 1:40:03
  next year and signed a veteran, Max contract or would you rather
• 1:40:07
  be Ahman Green and have one the streets opinion as to who the
• 1:40:13
  man is and almost certainly not be a Warrior by the end of this
• 1:40:19
  year. You know and no chance you're
• 1:40:21
  getting a 28 million dollar veterans Max contract.
• 1:40:26
  Okay. First of all, I take many many
• 1:40:29
  issues with your premises here. I do not believe at all that.
• 1:40:33
  That's the way any of that is going to play out, who that I
• 1:40:38
  don't believe that. We'll talk about that off, are
• 1:40:41
  we could talk about that? I care.
• 1:40:43
  But I'd much rather be Draymond Green in this situation from
• 1:40:47
  every possible angle verse where I want to be tortured in this.
• 1:40:52
  I knew it not even not even a little bit.
• 1:40:56
  And listen, we do not know all of the facts of how we got to
• 1:41:05
  said, punch, we know enough. But we know enough, and I'm just
• 1:41:09
  going to say this, it seems Seems that Jordan pool wrote a
• 1:41:15
  check that his, but wasn't ready to cash, and this is what
• 1:41:20
  happens. Mmm, it also is obvious that the
• 1:41:24
  Golden State Warriors didn't care about any of that until the
• 1:41:28
  video surfaced. Everything was good across the
• 1:41:32
  water. Let's move on Till Somebody
• 1:41:34
  leaked the video, so it's clearly good.
• 1:41:38
  There's a video, clearly, the Golden State Warriors are
• 1:41:41
  hiring, you know, the depths of the FBI to find out who needs to
• 1:41:46
  be fired and it ain't Draymond Green.
• 1:41:48
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:41:50
  So that's where I'm at with that whole scenario.
• 1:41:54
  Well, supposedly, I mean, they don't have to work that hard.
• 1:41:58
  They're gonna they, they probably already know who leaked
• 1:42:02
  it, because they know who paid him.
• 1:42:04
  Hmm. Hey somebody, the check That
• 1:42:08
  person and whoever connected to the leak, is what the Warriors
• 1:42:12
  are focused on. And they need to go and it was
• 1:42:16
  funny today. Somebody one of the Talking
• 1:42:19
  Heads was actually useful for once and they brought up a
• 1:42:22
  possible scenario that I don't even want it, like this would be
• 1:42:25
  the deepest Rabbit Hole possible for the Warriors and they were
• 1:42:28
  basically saying that like If somebody associated with pool
• 1:42:36
  leak, this as a direct career, assassination of Draymond and I
• 1:42:40
  was like, wow you know, I had to not far-fetched, that's my
• 1:42:45
  point. I hadn't even thought about that
• 1:42:48
  angle, and then I was like, now that I've heard that, I can't
• 1:42:50
  unhear that, and that is not far-fetched at all.
• 1:42:53
  And again, look I'm not advocating violence.
• 1:42:58
  Shouldn't have done that, but it's Pros.
• 1:43:00
  Sports baseball basketball football, that happens every
• 1:43:04
  day. Wait, every day.
• 1:43:07
  This is the one part about this. I take severe umbrage to.
• 1:43:11
  I have heard, I have heard Dre mom's actions called a sucker
• 1:43:16
  punch on, and on every single, on every single station.
• 1:43:20
  And I'm like no not at all. A Sucker Punch is one, that is
• 1:43:24
  unwarranted. That comes from nowhere.
• 1:43:27
  If you push me I have the right to Hold your face in like a
• 1:43:31
  tent. Yep it's not a surprise birthday
• 1:43:35
  party. First of all, we are giving way
• 1:43:37
  too much time to this idiocy. Second of all, I want I want
• 1:43:43
  anybody on this freaking panel to raise their hand when the man
• 1:43:49
  walks up to you and puts his chest on yours and you're not
• 1:43:52
  going to push you away. Yeah, right.
• 1:43:55
  Exactly. So don't act like, he like,
• 1:43:57
  didn't have, had been have reason to put his hand.
• 1:44:00
  The man put his chest on my chest, I'm pushing that away.
• 1:44:04
  I might be smart to put my hands up, so I'll get knocked out.
• 1:44:08
  I mean, let's be clear. He was warned and I would
• 1:44:12
  really, like, not talk about. This is a very bad look.
• 1:44:17
  I think most people on this panel.
• 1:44:19
  Probably would have hit Draymond first soaking up on them and we,
• 1:44:26
  we need to read the governor's tax because I'm in the same
• 1:44:30
  situation. And so we needed.
• 1:44:32
  All right? Well, as a blanket heartbeat
• 1:44:35
  prop, we want to lift up through lucious is mom who recently
• 1:44:38
  underwent surgery, she's recovery and we just want to
• 1:44:42
  make sure that she's continuing that way.
• 1:44:45
  So little shout-out, uplifting, and, and love towards her on her
• 1:44:49
  healing process and, and getting back to whatever it is is so
• 1:44:54
  blessings on blessings. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:44:57
  Always. And forever.
• 1:44:58
  So everyone have a great Great, great week, we'll see each other
• 1:45:02
  soon but other than that left right left, right and turn left.
• 1:45:05
  See everybody later