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How Keto & Carnivore Can Transform Your Health and Spirit| With Casey Ruff From Boundless Body Radio · Faithful Fitness With Coach Alex VanHouten

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Faithful Fitness Podcast for my Dad. Coach
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  Speaker 1: Alex Van Houghten helps you get stronger and mind, body,
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  Speaker 1: and spirit. He believes that your body is a temple,
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  Speaker 1: so taking good care of it is an actual worship.
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  Speaker 2: I should know.
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  Speaker 1: I live with him every week. He brings truth from
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  Speaker 1: the Bible, two from science, and stories that will set
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  Speaker 1: your heart on fire. May God bless you to become
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  Speaker 1: everything He made you to be, just one percent better
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  Speaker 1: every single day.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, guys. This is coach Alex Fan Houghton on
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  Speaker 2: the Faithful Fitness Podcast. I'm super excited about our guest today.
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  Speaker 2: I get to hang out with mister Casey Reff who incidentally,
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  Speaker 2: he and I just had a podcast conversation on his
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  Speaker 2: podcast Boundless Body Radio. You can check out we had
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  Speaker 2: that last week. What's up, Casey? How you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Brother dude?
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  Speaker 3: I am still flying high after our conversation. We spent
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  Speaker 3: the first like five minutes just complimenting each other on
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  Speaker 3: like how amazing each one of us were. So that
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  Speaker 3: really pumped my tires for the week. And I'm still
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  Speaker 3: flying high.
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  Speaker 2: So I actually really like that phrase pump my tires.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not much of a cyclist myself, but I can
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  Speaker 2: I can see that. I'm like, oh, my tires are
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  Speaker 2: pumped up. I feel nice and light and airy and
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  Speaker 2: nothing sticking to the road. I was like, Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 3: It's quite the contrast of my hockey buddies who just
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  Speaker 3: tear me to shreds. You've got to kind of balance
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  Speaker 3: the two out. So, yeah, we pumped each other's tires
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  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool. Well, maybe at some point in this conversation
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  Speaker 2: we get to pump each other's tires again, but we'll
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  Speaker 2: make everybody wait for that, since you know, we gave
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  Speaker 2: it to them at the very beginning of our last conversation. Dude,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me. We've got a
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  Speaker 2: lot to discuss today. You come from the you've been
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  Speaker 2: a personal trainer for over two decades at this point,
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  Speaker 2: I think just just less, just less, just under just
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  Speaker 2: under two decades, and I mean time's flying, like by
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  Speaker 2: the time you might as well. But you also come
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  Speaker 2: from a really niche camp with regard to nutrition, the
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  Speaker 2: keto carnivore world, and I can't wait to talk about
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  Speaker 2: that with you. And then also we have some things
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  Speaker 2: to discuss from the faith and the mental health aspect
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  Speaker 2: of things. So this is gonna be a great talk.
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  Speaker 2: I sincerely appreciate you saying yes to it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, It's such an honor to be here with
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  Speaker 3: you and hope whether the insights can help anybody out there.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to start by asking you about Boundless
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  Speaker 2: Body Radio. So you and your wife Bethany, you guys
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  Speaker 2: started that just before COVID. If I'm not terribly mistaken,
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  Speaker 2: what like was the impetus for starting that podcast? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you and I podcasted together. Gosh, what was episode one
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  Speaker 2: thirty nine of your show or something like that. We
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  Speaker 2: were both taking podcast interviews from our closets because acoustically
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  Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense. But like you started that, then,
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  Speaker 2: what was the impetus for starting it? And I think also,
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  Speaker 2: why do you continue doing that? Because it's definitely a
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  Speaker 2: discipline in the podcast space for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. Yes, So the
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  Speaker 3: timing of everything was I was at a low carbohydrate
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  Speaker 3: conference in Denver the week of what was at March twelfth, thirteenth, fourteenth,
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  Speaker 3: when the world was kind of shutting down and I
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  Speaker 3: and my wife were both still working for the corporation
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  Speaker 3: that you also worked for for a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: We were still employed by them, but that was a
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  Speaker 3: very very stressful weekend because you know, all the sports
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  Speaker 3: leagues are shutting down, and was watching Denver shut down
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  Speaker 3: in front of me. People were leaving this conference early,
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  Speaker 3: and like we were really unsure about what was going
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  Speaker 3: on with the gym. If you recall, my program was
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  Speaker 3: all about standing next to somebody who was wearing a
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  Speaker 3: mask and breathing concentrated respirations, like and you stand right
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  Speaker 3: next to them. And so my program was one of
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  Speaker 3: the first things to get shut down. So already like
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  Speaker 3: in the first or second week in March, I can't
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  Speaker 3: remember my program was done, and I didn't really you know,
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  Speaker 3: we had our clients, and our clients are dropping off,
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  Speaker 3: and so we were put on unemployment about a week
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  Speaker 3: or so after the gym had closed down. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and every location of this corporation opened at different times,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, Utah being kind of a red state,
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  Speaker 3: we were on the leading edge of opening up up
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  Speaker 3: and so it was I want to say, the first
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  Speaker 3: week in May that the gym called and said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: your jobs are available again. We're opening the gym, and
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  Speaker 3: we're going to pay you twenty five bucks an hour
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  Speaker 3: to clean equipment and to call your clients, and then
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  Speaker 3: after five days you're going to be back on one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent commission. And that just was not a viable
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  Speaker 3: option for us at the time, because, you know, people
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  Speaker 3: were not working in the business complex around the gym anymore.
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  Speaker 3: People's behaviors and habits had already changed quite a bit.
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  Speaker 3: When were training people outside and in parks and on
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  Speaker 3: screens on zoom, in pajamas and on trees and monkey bars, gosh,
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  Speaker 3: ind this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's and what I've built. I've built a
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  Speaker 2: personal training business from scratch when nobody's worried about COVID
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  Speaker 2: and it takes months. It takes months. So you're talking like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: come in, we'll pay you hourly for a week and
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  Speaker 2: then you know, hopefully your clients come back. And by
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  Speaker 2: that time, even in Utah, I bet most people weren't
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  Speaker 2: coming back to the gym and droves.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, it was early May. I mean, people were doing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of really stupid stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Really.
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  Speaker 3: It was basically like, don't gather in groups unless you
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  Speaker 3: want to then go for it whatever. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: we'd like like getting a pulse of our clients. There
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  Speaker 3: were many of our clients that were not willing to
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  Speaker 3: come back. And again, a big portion of my pay
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  Speaker 3: was running that other program, which was not going to
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  Speaker 3: come back anytime soon either. So my wife and I
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  Speaker 3: had a lot of walks around the neighborhood and a
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  Speaker 3: lot of talks, and we decided that the best option
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  Speaker 3: we had was to open up our own business. So
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  Speaker 3: we opened the business first, you know, officially, I want
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  Speaker 3: to say that was like June of twenty twenty. We
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  Speaker 3: came up with a named Boundless Body, and that's when
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  Speaker 3: we started our business. The podcast didn't come until after that.
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  Speaker 3: It was October when we did our first one. And
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  Speaker 3: I just I've learned so much through podcasting as you have,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I just knew that I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: start one. I definitely had the imposter syndrome, being of
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  Speaker 3: like I didn't know what I was going to say
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  Speaker 3: that somebody else had already said in a way that
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  Speaker 3: was way better than me anyway, And yeah, I pushed
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  Speaker 3: it out and pushed it out. In our first episode,
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  Speaker 3: we wanted to interview each other, and the morning of
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  Speaker 3: the interview came and you know, we were on separate
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  Speaker 3: walks and I text my wife, I'm like, look, I
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  Speaker 3: need another week. Let me prepare for this another week.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like, no, let's just do this, let's record.
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  Speaker 3: But we did so yeah, and that was our first episode,
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  Speaker 3: and it was it was just the timing of, you know,
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  Speaker 3: how our business was building. Like you said, it can
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  Speaker 3: take several months. We had the advantage already of continuing
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  Speaker 3: to work with a lot of the people that we
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  Speaker 3: were working with before at the gym. We had a
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  Speaker 3: business built up, so that looked different afterwards, but I
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  Speaker 3: did still have more free time, and I just kind
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  Speaker 3: of settled into a cadence of doing an episode Monday, Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: and Friday. And four and a half years later, we
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  Speaker 3: have not broken away from that cadence and so we
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  Speaker 3: do three a week. And it's you asked, like why
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  Speaker 3: we continue. I've never monetized the podcast. As you know,
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  Speaker 3: podcasting is a lot of effort. It takes a lot
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  Speaker 3: of time, and it's not cheap, like you have to
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  Speaker 3: pay for things, you know, with the equipment, the hosting,
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  Speaker 3: editing software, all that kind of stuff. And I've always
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  Speaker 3: just been very grateful that the business has done well
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  Speaker 3: enough that I can put that out in the world
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  Speaker 3: for free. And of course course you know, I use
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  Speaker 3: it as marketing, and I have a call to action
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  Speaker 3: after every episode and say, like set up a preconsultation,
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  Speaker 3: we could train you anywhere in the world, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: And I have gotten a lot of clients from that.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just it's like the conversation we had last week,
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  Speaker 3: as we talked about like there's something special about pushing
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  Speaker 3: record on a conversation with somebody. You get to this
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  Speaker 3: level of openness and honesty, and like the number of
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  Speaker 3: little lessons and gems I've gotten over the years by
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  Speaker 3: pushing record, it's really amazing. And again I know you
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  Speaker 3: know exactly what that feels like. And yes, to be
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  Speaker 3: able to listen to you, for example, give a sermon
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  Speaker 3: through a podcast, I would not have had that opportunity
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  Speaker 3: and that was super inspiring, dude, it was really good.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, we've been able to keep it going so
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  Speaker 3: far and the business is doing really well, so that
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  Speaker 3: was kind of the order of things.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, thank you for sharing that. And I think
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  Speaker 2: podcasting is such a cool thing in that sense that
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  Speaker 2: there's a Greek where logos means like consciousness, and so
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  Speaker 2: when you say mono log that's one consciousness speaking, but
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  Speaker 2: dialogue comes from da logos that means two lo Guy
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  Speaker 2: logos is whatever two consciousness is coming together. And then
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  Speaker 2: when I can be honestly myself and you can be
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  Speaker 2: honestly yourself, then then something really cool happens that couldn't happen,
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  Speaker 2: you know, by ourselves, which is why an honest conversation
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  Speaker 2: with a person you admire and appreciate and have something
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  Speaker 2: to learn from can just be so cool. It's it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: I will I will walk. I will walk in this door.
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  Speaker 2: In a second, I'm I'm in my garage gym slash
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  Speaker 2: podcast studio. I'll walk through this door. My wife will say,
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  Speaker 2: how is your conversation with Casey? And I will say,
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  Speaker 2: it's the best podcast I've ever done, and she goes,
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  Speaker 2: You always say that, because that's what's gonna happen, Because
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  Speaker 2: because I always always finish these conversations just so grateful
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  Speaker 2: for the opportunity to do them, and also having learned
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  Speaker 2: something about somebody I appreciate and getting to share that
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  Speaker 2: is just is just powerful. So I resonate deeply with that.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to talk about podcasting in the in
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  Speaker 2: the wider world as a trainer, because neither you nor I,
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  Speaker 2: unless you, unless there's something I don't know about your background,
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  Speaker 2: neither of us were like taught how to do multi
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  Speaker 2: media production, like like sound quality, camera shots, editing, how
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  Speaker 2: to put that out in the world. And it could
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  Speaker 2: be argued that we still don't know what we're doing,
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  Speaker 2: or at least I don't. But that that said, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, what was the learning curve like from my
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  Speaker 2: experience was listening to my first episode going like I
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  Speaker 2: hate the sound of my voice? Why do I say?
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  Speaker 2: Why do I say? Umso much?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What is wrong with me? And and and after after
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  Speaker 2: one hundred episodes, going you know, I'm kind of getting
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  Speaker 2: out of my own way of the content and getting
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  Speaker 2: out of my own way of a good interview. I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy with that all the way to like, uh, that
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  Speaker 2: was stupid. Let's say that a different way. You know
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  Speaker 2: what was what was the learning curve like for you?
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  Speaker 2: When you started Downless Body Radio?
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  Speaker 3: Sure, you know, I maybe your experience was a little
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  Speaker 3: bit different. Again with the company that we used to
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  Speaker 3: be with, I was in an area where there was
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  Speaker 3: only one of our one club in our entire like state.
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  Speaker 3: Essentially you where you were working. You were working in
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  Speaker 3: a place where, like all the regional people were, there
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  Speaker 3: were multiple clubs. You could kind of move around. We
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  Speaker 3: like my experience working for that company was like being
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  Speaker 3: on an island. Like not many people knew this, but
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  Speaker 3: when I found ketogenic and carnivore diets, I completely changed
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  Speaker 3: how we did. Remember the sixty day challenges we would do.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I went.
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  Speaker 3: Out completely rogue throughway everything the company was telling me
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  Speaker 3: to do and did a completely different program. They never
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  Speaker 3: found out they they had no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I tracked for that's like, yeah, Casey's Island.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing and I tracked everything and we had amazing results.
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  Speaker 3: We had like seven hundred and twenty pounds of fat
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  Speaker 3: lost in the contest. Like like all the people that
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  Speaker 3: I tracked over time, we gave them completely separate meal plans.
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  Speaker 3: All that to say, like we learned that in that environment,
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  Speaker 3: we learned to be very resourceful. We weren't given a
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  Speaker 3: lot and we had a lot of expectations. So they
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  Speaker 3: would say, hey, you got to run all these numbers,
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  Speaker 3: put them in Excel. Well, how the hell do I
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  Speaker 3: do that? Well, you got to figure it out. Go
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  Speaker 3: to Excel and start learning, Yeah, exactly. University yep, yep.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to do a slide show and you're going
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  Speaker 3: to do a two hour presentation. Okay, well, how do
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  Speaker 3: I do that and make it interesting and whatever? You
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  Speaker 3: figure it out? So I think that was helpful again
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  Speaker 3: when I kind of stumbled upon the world of nutrition
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  Speaker 3: that I found, Like that was the last time I
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  Speaker 3: ever listened to music in my car. So I think
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  Speaker 3: listening to tons of different podcasts and understanding how people
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  Speaker 3: do things a little bit differently.
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  Speaker 4: Was really helpful.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, you screw up.
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  Speaker 4: I say, I'd like listen.
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  Speaker 3: I'd listen back to every episode that I do when
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  Speaker 3: it comes out, and I'm constantly embarrassed by like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I cannot believe said this the wrong way. I am
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  Speaker 3: saying too much. Which, by the way, for you listeners
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  Speaker 3: right now, you say just as much as we do,
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  Speaker 3: but you don't get recorded.
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  Speaker 4: We do.
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  Speaker 2: True story man.
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  Speaker 4: Just as bad as we are.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, like you, as you as you do something,
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  Speaker 3: it's always you know, like you said, it's a yet mentality,
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  Speaker 3: it's your you're learning and growing and learning how to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, extract different things from your people. I try
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  Speaker 3: to research so that I don't I don't want I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to create the same episode that you've already
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  Speaker 3: done on other shows, you know, fifty other times.
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  Speaker 4: I want to go a little bit deeper.
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  Speaker 3: I want to discover something and find a new path
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  Speaker 3: and make our show like a little bit different. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, equipment, you improve, you watch a
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  Speaker 3: few videos, you learn some things. I did a completely
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  Speaker 3: separate podcast called the How to Make a Podcast Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: It was literally just about like not only describing my
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  Speaker 3: process or podcasting, but interviewing other podcasters to hear what
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  Speaker 3: their process it's like. And I don't I don't do
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  Speaker 3: that anymore in several years. But yeah, you just you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's just like anything. It's just like fitness, nutritions, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about it's not about like doing something perfectly
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  Speaker 3: from the beginning. It's deciding to start taking that step
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  Speaker 3: and just deciding I'm going to keep taking steps. I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to get better, I'm going to refine, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to work on my bandwidth if that's an issue, audio quality, whatever,
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  Speaker 3: like you just keep working on that and you'll improve.
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  Speaker 2: Man. So I'm so glad you brought up fitness in
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  Speaker 2: that vein, because in my head there was a connection
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  Speaker 2: between that I'm not a podcaster, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: learn and the everyday experience of an individual who decides
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  Speaker 2: to take some sort of ownership in their health and fitness.
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  Speaker 2: And there I'm not a crossfitter, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: learn to lift, or I'm not a nutritionist, but I
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  Speaker 2: am going to figure out how to feed myself better
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  Speaker 2: than I have been. Right and in any of those endeavors.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you play video games or not.
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  Speaker 2: I like video games, and I don't get to play
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  Speaker 2: them as much anymore because I'm like a dad and
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  Speaker 2: a business owner and a husband. So it's a twenty
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  Speaker 2: minutes that nine thirty on a Friday, you know I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna play so anyway. But but there's this
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  Speaker 2: there's this thing in every video game that that the
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  Speaker 2: gamers called the nube phase n oob the nube phase.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, I don't know what I'm doing and
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  Speaker 2: I'm terrible at it, and and it's not even fun
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  Speaker 2: like it's it's not I'm playing this game, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not even fun because I suck so bad and I'm
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  Speaker 2: still learning the controls. I'm getting crushed by every person
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  Speaker 2: who runs by, and you know, understands how to use
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  Speaker 2: the sniper rifle or whatever. And and there is that.
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  Speaker 2: It's been my experience. There is that in health and
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  Speaker 2: fitness that that there's a nube phase. I'm gonna start
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  Speaker 2: weight training, I'm gonna start doing cardiovascul work, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to start figuring out my nutrition. And it's not any
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  Speaker 2: fun like, it's just a it's a time period of
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  Speaker 2: sucking at the thing you're trying to change. It's the
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  Speaker 2: new phase. So so I was curious about about you
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  Speaker 2: with the carnivore diet. At some point you decided, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is this is working for me, This is good
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  Speaker 2: for me. This for whatever reason. Anybody can can come
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  Speaker 2: at me with their criticisms and stuff, but this this
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  Speaker 2: has worked well for my household, starting to work well
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  Speaker 2: for some of my clients. Can you describe for me
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  Speaker 2: the time period that you made that shift in your
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  Speaker 2: life and what, if any was the nube phase like
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  Speaker 2: in Carnivore and Keto for you.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I can relate to the gaming thing. For sure.
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  Speaker 4: With the Nube phase.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I am a gamer as well, but I play a
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: NES Nintendo NES the original. I still have one. Do
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: you remember when your friend would get one and you
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: didn't have it and invite you over to play Mario
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: one or whatever and he could play level after level
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: after level without it being your turn, and then you
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: would just like immediately die and I have to sit. Yes,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: that's what I thought of, dude. I'm a really slow learner.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: It took me a very long time, and there was
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: certain things on my journey that kind of I did
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: me there. We had a meeting at that company with
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: a coach back in twenty twelve that was saying that
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: he was getting endurance athletes really great results by feeding
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: them high amounts of that and reducing their carbohydrates, which
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: made no sense to me, but he was preventing professional
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: athletes from bonking, essentially running out of energy, and professional races,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: you know, we had a few years later, I became
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: familiar with the work of Mina Teischels, who wrote a
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: book called The Big Bat Surprise that goes over the
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: history of why we are demonizing fat, why we think
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: saturated that is bad for us, red meat is bad
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: for us. Eventually I read the book and was, you know,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: kind of kind of made aware that maybe fat and
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: so bad for us. But in twenty seventeen, I lost
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: my regional role and had to figure out what it
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: was going to do. And so I decided, since nutrition
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: was a topic of interest to me, I decided to
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: get my nutrition certification with a really prestigious company, and
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I got reindoctrinated into the idea of like lots of
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: whole grains, lots of fruits and vegetables, lean proteins, a
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: little bit of healthy fat, and I would give that
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: out to people. In fact, they offered a software program
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: that I would pay for that ran daily weekly curriculums
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: for people would deliver a lesson for somebody. They would
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: have a bi weekly every two weeks kind of a
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: goal like eat more vegetables, eat the rainbow vegetables. Amazing,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: really well done. There was a workout component to it.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I put hundreds and hundreds of people on that program
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: and literally two ever finished the entire curriculum, which ran
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: for one year. People just failed. They could not do
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: what we were recommending. Count your calories, track your foods,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: eat different it just would not work. People couldn't do it,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: or they would be shopping at the store way too
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: much and throw away tons of food at the end
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: of the week. And it was even down to like
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: some of the trainers, Like I knew some of the
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: trainers couldn't do it at least for the long term,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: the standard device that we were giving people. And so
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: it came to be that I was doing one of
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: these weight loss contests and a guy, he was an employee.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: He was kind of forced to do the contest. You
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: really didn't want to, but he had twenty twenty five
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: pounds to lose, and he was doing a consultation with
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: me and he described, you know, his diet. He was
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: basically like waiting up and waking up in the middle
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: of the night to eat cereal. And I just said, dude,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: you don't have any like fat in your diet, Like,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: let's get a little bit more fat in your diet.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Start eating protein.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: And he went away and came back in like three
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: days and said, dude, I've lost like three pounds in
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: three days. What is this keto stuff? I said, I
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: but that's cool. You can't lose three pounds in three days.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I know that something must be off, but he did.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: And that was the first time i'd like really been introduced.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I'd seen the word kicked around, but I didn't know
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: exactly what it was.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: And you know, I.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Kind of got cornered into learning about this this state
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: of the body called ketosis. And the best way I
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: like to have it be described is it's like two hemispheres,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: or two different ways of your body can run. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: one of my podcast guests describes the one way the
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: body can run as glucosis, kind of the coin that
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: he termed that when your body's running on carbohydrates, it
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: runs in a certain way and energy is delivered inside
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: of this body a certain way. Describes that almost like
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: an emergency system that I'd run sometimes but not all
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: the time. And you have this other hemisphere that's called ketosis,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: which is just your body breaking down fat and producing
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: a molecule called ketones that can be quite useful in
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: the body. It's a water soluble energy source. It's usable
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: by the brain, it's preferred by the heart. And I
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: just started learning about it, and I just I found
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: this whole new world of like the frustration of giving
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: people advice that was standard and it just wouldn't work
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: for hardly anybody. And then all of a sudden, I'm
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: giving people like the opposite advice and it's working amazingly. Yeah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: and it's like, Okay, your goal was to lose twenty pounds,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: but your mental clarity is better and your digestion is
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: way better. You're not bloated anymore, like what is going on?
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: And so it just completely changed my career as far
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: as you know, being able to deliver workable results. We
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: started doing those contests again when I was giving them
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: different meal plans and telling people like, look, I don't
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: even care which of these meals you choose, like a
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: taco bowl or a pizza that you make at home
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: with a meat trust, but odd make it eat as
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: much as you like. And all the people that ever
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: signed up for the contests, they had different goals like
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: maybe they wanted to gain weight or lose weight, or
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: some did yoga, some did running, And we had such
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: a big cohort of people that we tracked got amazing
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: results that that's just what I decided to do. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: really got kind of cornered into it, like I said,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and people in the club started like making fun of
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: me a little bit. They could started calling me Keto Casey, which.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which I.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Really didn't like. I mean, our our registered dietitian eventually
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: became my direct boss and he wasn't into that, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: so that kind of added a layer of conflict. But
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: one of my other managers was like, dude, you should
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: just own this and just know more about this one
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: thing than other people. You can just specialize in this,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: so so I did. I don't think it's the best
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: site for everybody, and what people can do whatever they like.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: That's just what I focus on. And then in the
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: low carb space, if you're there for long enough, you
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: start to hear about this subset of really crazy people
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: who are eating not low car but they already no carb,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: like this idea that like they're not eating any fiber,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: they're not eating vegetables. You're like, well, that's that's insane,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Like what is that. That's the stupidest thing I've ever
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: heard of. The first time I heard about it was
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: a Joe Rogan podcast, I literally just turned off the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: podcast halfway through because I was like, that, that's the
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: stupidest thing I've ever read. Yeah, that's so dumb, And
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: you know, you learn about it and you start to
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: hear about it. And it was April of twenty nineteen.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I'm gonna just try this for
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: thirty days and see what happened. Maybe I'll never poop again,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: maybe I'll die have a heart attack.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: And you know, I was already you know, fairly low
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: carbon keto myself to begin with and notice those benefits,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: and by dropping out the rest of the plant matter
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: that I had on my diet, the biggest thing, dude,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I got to say. It was like ten twelve days in.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: A woman had been working with me to get started.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: She put down all her money and paid for a
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: bunch of personal training sessions. I'd done the free consultation,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I'd done all the scheduling. You know how much work
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: that is, and you're not paid yet. Now she comes
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: in and she says, I want to refund, give me
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: all my money back, and that would have like ruined
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: my week. And I just looked at her and said like, yeah, okay,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I just felt this form and we'll get you that refund.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: If there's ever anything you need in the future, like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: let me know, got glass help you find where you're
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: looking for and you're just like reflecting on that, like
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: later in the daily what happened? Why did I have
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: that reaction? And I realized, Like it's hard to describe,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: but and carnivores we all we all know it and
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: we talk about it. It's called what we call like
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: carnivores en where your anxiety or stress or depression, your
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: mental state just improved. Yeah, everything just kind of calms down.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Like you lose your keys. Oh okay, well I could
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: look over there or have got a spare key. You
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: just like that would have been a disaster.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: But we're in a key.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Were my keys?
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: I can't find my keys? You're just like find him?
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: I forgot this?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: What's this broke? Okay, well we'll just fix it. We'll
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: deal with it. Like everything just really relaxed. And now
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: there's this whole emerging field that we call metabolic psychiatry.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: And it's not like Keto for fun. It's not like
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Keto for lose fifteen pounds for a wedding and you
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: know you eat bacon and butter.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: It's great.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: It's metabox psychiatry is an emerging field of people fixing serious,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: severe mental disorders. With diet and with ketones, and the
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: research is incredible, the books are incredible, that the case
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: studies are just amazing, and the level of healing that's
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: happening for you know, what I would consider for me
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: like run of the mill anxiety, low level depression, kind
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: of just going away a little bit too. I've got
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: friends who and people I've talked to on my podcasts
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: that have literally reversed Alzheimer's disease, They've reversed bipolar, they
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: no longer have epilepsy. Just the stories are absolutely insane.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's an exciting field to be a part of,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: and it's just it's really cool to think what's possible
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: when you're on what I would consider a really basic
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: kind of standard human diet, the diet that we've evolved
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: with for so long. The number of things that starts
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: to resolve is is pretty good. So now it's been
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: you know, six and a half years, I've been carnivore.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I don't have an intention of going off. I'm not
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: walk to it or anything, and I don't yell at
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: vegans or anything like that. I just for the people
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: that want to learn about this to whatever level they
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: want to learn. I'm here to like help guide them
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: and give them ideas.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: That's so funny.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I don't stop killing broccoli, save the kale.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I will say anecdotally, I have no science to back
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: me up on this, but I will say anecdotally, I've
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: never gotten in a nutrition fight with a carnivore. But
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the vegans, for whatever reason, are are out for blood
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: man killing the animals. But they'll kill you if.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: The personal attacks are brutal. Like I've tried to engage
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: in conversation like, oh, this sucks your podcast great, Like
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: what didn't you like about it? You're stupid, everybody, you're
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: you're the worst, Like, first of all, you're right, the
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: second of all, that has nothing to do with the podcast.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: And if you're a particularly peaceful vegan out there, please
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: drop your peaceful vegan comments in the in the YouTube
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: channel so you can represent the vegans well. But you
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: use the word I love this. You use the word
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: indoctrination earlier, and that's that's kind of like a pseudo
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: religious term like that that there's what you didn't say.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: You were indoctrinated in a Keto kroniv where you were
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: talking about going to get your nutrition certification and kind
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: of re indoctrinated into certain practices. And this is I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: think this is paramountally important. I think about the psychology
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of nutrition a lot and what we're finding from a
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: from a biodiversity perspective when we've we've mapped the entire
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: human genome, and what we understand is is that there
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: are some genetic alleles that seem to do very well
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: with a more plant based diet. It's a very small
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: percentage of the population, but when they find that pathway
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: for themselves, they are overjoyed. I've lost weight, all my metrics,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: feel better. Awesome, great, And then we we what we
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: look at on the other side of the spectrum is
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: that far more than a small percentage of the population
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: both need and thrive on high nutrient density, high high fat,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: good quality protein animal products. They just do. And and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: you know, human beings we don't got we don't got
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: all the sharp teeth necessarily of a of the saber
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: tooth tiger. But but we're really good at hunting, and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: we're really good at cooking. And even with the fire.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You know, there's no there's no other species out there
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: cooking stuff on a fire, and so we've been able
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to tap into something from a from a biological perspective
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that most species can't, which is the ability to have
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: an omnivorous diet, but to prefer the really nutrient dense
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: things that help our system. And when when you look
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: at the genetics, I mean, the genes don't lie there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: There are very few people who are good at making
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: things like omega three fatty acids from flaxeed, but most
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: of us need a lot of fish in order to
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: get our omega three fatty acids in our diet to
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: help a brain in our body. And so there's I'm
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: not going to argue the philosophy here, but I do
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: think it's very interesting that when somebody stumbles upon nutrition
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that works for them, that it becomes almost a religious
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: experience in the sense that, oh, this is how I'm
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: supposed to feel. And then, however, your tom tom drum
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: goes that everybody should join my new religion, and you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the market, the market often will will promote that because
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of money in that. There's a lot
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: of money in operationalizing some sort of diet that not
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: that I mean, we're not even doing that right now,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: but if somebody wanted to start trying a lower carbohydrate
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: diet or start increasing the amount of high quality animal
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: products in their life compared to the highly processed guard
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: garbage they've been eating and feel better. That doesn't cost
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: any money at all, Like, it doesn't cost any money
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: to try that. So it's very very interesting that that
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: word in doctrination is interesting to me because nutrition can
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: become an almost religious enterprise for individuals. Do you do
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: you see that in your work sometimes?
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. You have to be very careful about that
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. Of course, you know, get into this
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: world and I just want to shout it from the
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: rooftops and the number of people that you know, check
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: my grocery card at Costco and I shown the receipt
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: and I say, hey, no plants were harmed in the
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: in the shopping trip. Like dude, they don't want to
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: hear it, like I got like cool the jets and
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: remember that you know, we're again we're we're here to
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: help people long if they're curious about the journey. We're
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: not here to convert anybody. I'll describe it like I
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: you know, it's akin to me working at the Ford store.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: If you like Fords. You should come and see me
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: because I know a lot about Fordes. I can tell
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: you a thing that's true about a car. But if
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: you want a Chevy, I'm not also yelling at people
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: dry being Chevy's like, oh you guys suck, You're the worst.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Like I just work at the Ford store because I
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: like boards.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: And yeah, there's an idea whether you want to, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: believe it or not, that like every every kind of
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: animals out there has an animal specific diet. A turtle
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: eats turtle things and a dog eats dog things, and
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: they're they're just different. They just are Like if you
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: fed turtle things to a dog, they become very sick.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: You mentioned two really important things. We're really good at
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: hunting and that we you know, we we we work together. Essentially,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Hunting is an activity that can be done in a group.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: And you look at a human and like, there's nothing
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: really that special about us. We don't have those sharp teeth.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: We made tools. We slammed a rock against another rock
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and just by that one act hour two three million
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: years ago created something so sharp that we then didn't
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: need sharp things. We didn't need sharp teeth. We had
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: a tool, and our brains were growing because our diet
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: was changing. You wonder like, why is it that, Why
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: is it that our closest relatives can hang in trees
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: far longer than we can, but they can't throw. We
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: can throw like three, four or five times better than them,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: which would be very helpful if you were a hunting species, exactly,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: And our hunting had to get more and more sophisticated
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: over time. And yes, the other thing is we learned
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: how to how to provide ourselves calories from outside of
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: our body through fire, through cooking, and that was just
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: such a huge game changer. And now you look at
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: again this very weak, kind of not too special species
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: that you know, went to the moon and live in Antarctica,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: and we have the Olympics that have like all these
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: so crazy diverse events that people can be really good at.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: We can do all kinds of different things, and so
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: those things make us a little bit more special. And yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: there is some variance in our omnivoy We are omnivores,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: and it's actually true that a lot of animals are
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: also omnivores, but it's a specialization. It's not a fifty
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to fifty split for most of them. It's like eighty
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: percent this and twenty percent this. And I'll challenge anybody
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: like you live in a very kind of green, lush
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: area of the world. I live in Salt Lake City.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: It's a desert, but it's still very very green, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: it's a growing season. You take vacations sometimes, and when
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: you go to vacations, where do you go. You go
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to Mexico, you go to tropical places, you go to
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: very warm, nice climates. Walk around, just go on a
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: walk anywhere that looks natural and see the crazy diversity
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: of all the different plants around us, all the different
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: things that are growing. How many of those can you eat?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Where are you going to find food? There's just not
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: spontaneous food growing everywhere. And it's just kind of this
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: idea that like, plants do have a different way of
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: protecting themselves for their own reasons, and there are things
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: that come in certain plants that can build up and
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: can cause problems in people. And so a carnivore, somebody
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: who adapts a carnivore diet, maybe they've had some freeing
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: with digestion or skin issues, maybe they've had joint issues,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: maybe that came from oxalates or pytates or lectins, all
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: these things that can come in plants, and they just say,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: you know what, I know that the animal products have
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: all of the nutrition I need in the most nutrient
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: dense way and nothing that I don't. And regardless of
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: how strict they want to be, Like I like, the
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: definition of a carnivor is like a hyper carnivor in
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: nature is that specialization. They eat about seventy to seventy
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: five of their calories from animal products. That's my favorite
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: definition of carnivore. So that when somebody posts a carnivore
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: picture of you know, mostly burger patties and half an avocado,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I don't have to freak out or go, oh the
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: avocado that's that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Didn't come from an animal?
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Like really, no kidding, but yeah, that's kind of kind
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: of our belief. And that my concern about people that
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: are pushing part into a plant based diet, again we're
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: given depending on how strict they go, is there's a
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: honeymoon period for several years where somebody's going to feel better,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: but there's certain vitamins and minerals that they you just
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: cannot get from plants in an absorbable way B twelve. Uh,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: you mentioned dha epa from fish fish oil creating brattening.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: There's just so many of that you can go through
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: that is going to be tough. And you wonder why
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: so many people try like a like an only plant diet,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: like a vegan diet, and they have to drop off
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: at some point because it just can't keep going so.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I mean, it's what's interesting is is you
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, Hey, there's a honeymoon period. That's true of
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: any diet period. Like like if you placebo is a
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: real thing, you can believe that something's helping you, you
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: can do it and you could lose some weight, you
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: could drop some some water, and the mechanism might be
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: different depending on what you're actually doing. Right, But the
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: proof is in the putting in the long term. Right,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: The proof is in the putting in the long term.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: If you if you make some changes and they're actually
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: good for you, then there's no reason those changes should
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: be any different five years from now. None. But if
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: something was was yeah, kind of beneficial for a brief
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: period of time, but not forever, then those things won't
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: stick around. Jesus said it this way because everybody was curious, like, hey,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: how do we know who to trust because everybody's saying
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: everything about the end of the world right now. And
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: he said, you will know them by their fruits, because
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a good tree brings forth good fruit, and a bad
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: tree brings forth bad fruit. In other words, if you
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: watch somebody's life versus their teaching, like how are their
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: kids doing? What's their business? Like does the rest of
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the community appreciate them as an individual or are they
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: just spouting a bunch of nonsense up on the top
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: of the stairs, right, which is which kind of brings
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: me back to the joke about vegans being warlike, because
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: it's like, hey, if you're gonna attack me for my nutrition,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's a bad fruit. I feel like
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're a little uptight. You can calm
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: down a little and and I want to get off
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the nutrition horse for just a second and talk about
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the animating impetus for personal training and coaching, because you
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: and I share that neither of us are PhDs in
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: an ivory tower. No offense to you with PhDs in
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: an ivory tower, but neither we are the boots on
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the ground people who are actually helping real people who
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: come to us with real problems and say, I'd like
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: to see this change in my life. What do I do?
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And then what's really cool about our businesses? And if
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: your business doesn't operate this way, please correct me. If
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: somebody is not actually seeing progress, they stop paying me.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: My business hinges on whether or not what I'm giving
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: somebody to change actually changes. And in my business, I
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: have a very high retention business. Most of my clients
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: stick around for eight months or longer because we're seeing change,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: We're making progress. And it turns out that as you
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: start to make some progress, you want to see more progress,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and that it's healthy and good. This wasn't a fad,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: This isn't a thing that you could only maintain for
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: two weeks. You know, this is something that's actually changing
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: your life in a positive direction. And so many of
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: my clients stick around for quite a while. And I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: want to talk about that animating impetus because for me,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I truly don't care what people eat. I truly don't
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I want them to feel better and to make the
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: most out of the body they've been given. So I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: often say I want you to learn to feed yourself
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: well whatever that means you and your very special fingerprint
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: cornucopia of genetics and your likes and your environment and
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: your micropone. What I don't care. What I care about
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: is that on a day to day basis, you're getting better,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: you're getting stronger, you're getting healthier, you're feeding your nervous
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: system well, you have all the nutrients that you need,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: your metabolism's improving. And if that's slightly different from how
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I think I need to be eating, great, even better,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: if it's completely opposite, whatever, But I would like to
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: talk about the animating impetus because I'm driven from a
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: nutrition perspective by the light that I see in my
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: client size. When things get better, when endometriosis clears up,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: When when fat's finally lost that's been hanging on for
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: a long time, When when brain fog is no longer cloudy,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: when cholesterol levels change without having to get rid of
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: eggs by the way, When when when those things shift
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: that makes me excited and excited to see agency return
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to somebody's life when they say, you know what, I
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: do have some control over this. I and I have
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: clarity about how to feed myself well. And I don't
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: have to think about and struggle with food all the
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: time anymore. What is your animating impetus behind nutrition for
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: your clients?
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I love the question. And just for the record, the
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: plant based person would interpret the scripture you cited and say,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: see Jesus says we should be eating lots of fruit,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: So there I can't argue with that. That's what he said.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: So it makes sense, dude, It's it's just the best.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Like we get asked all the time, like,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: how are you going to upscale your business? Yeah, like,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: of course we want to grow our business. It just
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: means we're providing more value to more people. But I
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: don't know, I just really love that aspect and I
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: like the way that you said it, Like it's so
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: engaging and fun to like help somebody along and I'm
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: not actually doing that much, but just you know how
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: it is as a coach, you think you think somebody's
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: hiring you for you to then tell them exactly what
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: to do and what to eat. Like, do you know
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: how many hours and hours and hours I've wasted meat
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: making meal plans for somebody when like literally not one
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: of those meal plans was probably ever made ever, like, yeah,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: here's what you're supposed to eat Monday, but I want pizza,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm eating pizza. Like that's just how it goes
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: if people want to do that. But like, this experience
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: happened to me twice today with two separate clients where
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: it was striking the way they said. It was very
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: similar to two of them. They don't know each other,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: but they said like, I'm you know, I've been watching
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: my protein. I've been cutting down my eating window and
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: doing you know a little bit intermittent fasting. My closer
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: fit better, and I finally feel like I'm not in
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: a hurry. Like both of these people independently said, like
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I realize I'm on the path, and I feel good
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: being on the path. Like I want to lose weight
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: and that's going to happen, but what I'm actually noticing
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: is like food freedom. I'm not snacking anymore, I'm not
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: angry anymore. Like I can go and till eleven or
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: noon and not be snapping at my kids, and like
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: my joints feel better. And they're like, yeah, so the
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: weight loss is happening and will happen, and that's great,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: but it's it's shifted from not being their primary goal,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: and they're feeling so motivated, each one of them to
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: continue on their path. For one of them, it's you know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: they do count their calories and try to stand on
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: a certain amount of calories, but they focus on high protein.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: The other person we talked last week, what kind of
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: goal should they make? I didn't give them a goal.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: I gave them suggestions, and she chose that she was
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: going to try to do whatever eating window and focus
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: on protein as well, and she's been very successful. So
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: just to hear like, wow, I feel like I'm doing this.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I'm going in the right direction. It's not just that
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I'm looking better. I do have a weight loss goal,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: but it's more like I feel better. That's it's just
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: man like. It's better than money for a personal trainer
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: to hear something like that. It just makes it so
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: easy to bounce out of bed every day and find
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: people to help and offer value to.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Like you said, mm hmmmmm, yes, yes, I For me,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: this actually became a spiritual thing because what I noticed
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: was when somebody came to me and their body was
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: causing them problems. Whatever the problem is, right, I'm wrestling
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: with heart disease or I've got an extra one hundred
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: and fifty pounds on me or whatever. What was interesting
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: is I noticed that the goal was for their body
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to cease to be an impediment or an obstacle anymore.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: What for whatever reason? But the question was like what
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: to what like? What why why lose one hundred and
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: fifty pounds? Why do that? Like, oh, to look better
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: and feel better, blah blah blah, okay, so that you
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: can what like, what's the what's the trajectory, what's the thing?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: And I thought about how how that's you know, for
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: me wrestling with eelers dan los, wrestling with ulcertive colitis,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and and trying to figure out a way through that
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: that that genetic issue. Really, I wasn't interested in having
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: six pack aps. I wasn't interested in being able to
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: run a marathon under two hours or whatever, which I
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: can't by the way, I got the six pack, but
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I can't run the marathon in under two hours. I
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: haven't got that's ninja. But but the uh, what I
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: really wanted was for my body not to be an
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: impediment to showing up well, for my kids being able
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to jump on the trampoline and wrestle with them, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and and to to you know, for me set an
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: example as a man for my children what it looks
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: like to be a man, to be strong, to be prepared,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to take good care of yourself, to manage your I
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: would say to carry my cross. Well, that would be
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the religious aspect. And and and so what I what
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I noticed and when I started speaking in my practice,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: is I I want to help you remove your body
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: as an obstacle to the things you want to do
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: with your life, and and think of your body as
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: an asset. If we can, if we can build our
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: body into something that enables us to do the things
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: that we want to do, to do the things we've
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: been put here to do, to do the things that
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: bring us joy and peace and and a sense of purpose.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: That that for me, that became a very very spiritual thing.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: And I know that you and I differ in our
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: faith tradition, but but I'm curious for you, has this
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: has this reached down into you that deeply that this
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: is part of of something that that you are, You're
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: part of something bigger than yourself here? What how how
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: deep does this go for you?
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: You couldn't have said that better. It is something I
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: would consider deeply spiritual for sure. I would say a
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: very big component of that was changing my diet. Keto
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: was a good step, but going carnivore, I can say
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: that my spirituality increased. I've taken up meditation practices multiple
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: times in my life. I did it once or twice,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: not on the diet, and once on the diet, and
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: maybe I was in a better place, or I was older,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: more experienced whatever I'd done it before. But I would
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: strongly contend that my level of gratitude in spirituality is
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: much higher when I eat what I know are the
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: right foods for me, recognizing that they can't where they
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: came from, what life was taken to have them. The
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: nourishment that I get from them just makes my brain
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: and my spirit feel so much better. I get that
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: anecdote all the time for people that end up trying
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: this diet, So that's.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: A big part of it. And yes, I.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Take what I do very seriously. I'm ritualistic in the
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: things that are very important to me. So before I
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: do a podcast, I do the same thing every time.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: When I go to the hockey rink. I put my
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: equipment on exactly the same way. It's a little superstitious.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Uh what is Michael Scott said, I'm not superstitious. I'm
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: just normal stitious.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great office quote.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I I you know, I warm up the exact same
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: way before I go to work. I put on the
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: same clothes every time, I wear the same thing, and
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I do the same thing every time before I see
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: my clients. And to me, it's a spiritual thing to
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: be able to get to connect with somebody. And again,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: this is another one that just came up today where
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: like my client was asking me, like, are you stressed out?
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I just change your program. I'm really
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: like watching you, you know, do these things. I want
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: to make sure you know you've had Laura back pain
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: and we're taking steps to get.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Off of that. I'm just really watching. I'm not stressed.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: I'm good.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: And she's like, yeah, I just I know you. I
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: know your face. And I'm like, isn't it weird how
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: much time you and I end up spending together in
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: a very intimate setting in your basement, like an hour
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: a week for a lot of weeks. How many of
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: your friends do you spend an hour with directly one
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: on one, let alone people that want to do multiple
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: days and they've done it for years. Like you said,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I'm really good at retaining my people. If people start
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: with me, they're likely to continue because I'm really focused
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: on creating a high amount of value for them and
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: trying to customize everything the best I can for them
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: on that day. And like you are with these people,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: you laugh with them, you cry with them, you go
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: through life together with them, and it's like, man, they
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: become you have intimate relationships with them. And I take
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: that very very seriously, and so yeah, I'm glad you
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: brought that up, but yes, I would argue strongly that
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: it's a very spiritual thing.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've found that to be the case. And there's
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: also an element of sacrifice in there too. You know,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: my clients don't know unless like we've been working together
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: for a long time and they just observe it. But
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: my clients don't know if I'm having a bad day
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: because I've come to this session to serve them. I've
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: come to this session to make it the best that
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I know how to make it. And you know it's
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I do the same thing in parenting with my own children.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: You know, I spend a lot of time with my boys,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: and they might not know Daddy's stressed about this thing.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: They might not know that daddy's knee hurts. They might
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: not know that Daddy has a headache or whatever. We're
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: going to do this thing full tilt, and as they
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: as they grow and mature, I can share those things
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: with them. But the same thing happens with a client.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: My client doesn't know I've done three of these sessions
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: and I've been sweating like a pig in Arkansas, so
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: like I've physically spent but you won't know because we're
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: going to crush this together and have a good time,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: and then I'm going to go get some eggs and
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: take a nap, like, because that's what's going to happen
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: after this session to recover. But I take that so seriously,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: and there is a I would say that a big
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: element of that is why personal training and coaching in
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: that sense it's not going to be replaced anytime soon.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: There's a whole idea in this whole spectrum of fitness
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: that AI is going to take over and write the
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: perfect programs and the meal plans and stuff and it's
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: so interesting to me. It's like, I mean, I get it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: It's great tool. You know, sometimes people just need information,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: but oftentimes I believe what people need is the encouragement
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and support of somebody who believes in them. And AI
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: can't do that, like it just can't you know, chat
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: GPT can't rah raw you and to get in your
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: squats done. It just doesn't appoint it well. At the
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: same time, talking about the stress of your workplace. So
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: that said, you know, I'm grateful for what you do.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for the work that you started with Boundless
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Body Radio, and also grateful for the niche that you
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: found in nutrition that works for you, but also that
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you get to coach people through. My question is how
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: can listeners of this podcast or viewers on YouTube, how
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: can they get connected to your work in a way
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: that if they want to dive in more about what
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: you had to say or connect to some of your
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: products and services online. How can they do that?
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Alex. It's always meaningful to chat with you,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: and I really appreciate this conversation and I appreciate the
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: level of care and depth that you go to and
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  Speaker 3: when asking questions, and it was a real honor to
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  Speaker 3: be here. The easiest place is just to go to
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  Speaker 3: my balancebody dot com. That's our website. We try to
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  Speaker 3: make it as easy as possible where you can find
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  Speaker 3: all our social media. You can find a podcast there.
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  Speaker 3: Last summer I did a series of nutrition seminars in
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  Speaker 3: my neighborhood at a park. I have everything there for that,
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  Speaker 3: the videos, there's curriculum, there's meal plans, there's all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You can access all that for free. But the very
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  Speaker 3: first thing that you can see on the website is
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  Speaker 3: a book now button. Anybody can click on that and
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  Speaker 3: set up a complimentary thirty minute session from wherever we
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  Speaker 3: are in the world. It will all sync to your
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  Speaker 3: schedule and your time zone, so we make that very
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  Speaker 3: very easy. So yeah, feel free to follow us on
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  Speaker 3: all those other channels and YouTube and all that, but
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  Speaker 3: you can find that on the website, which again my
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  Speaker 3: boundlessbody dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, Thank you for that so much. As we're
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  Speaker 2: wrapping up here, I always pray over individual who come
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  Speaker 2: into my podcasts so that God would bless their work
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  Speaker 2: and the difference that they're making in the world. But
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  Speaker 2: I do have one final question for you that i'd
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  Speaker 2: like to throw in there, and I know we're coming
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  Speaker 2: up on time, so it doesn't have to be super
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  Speaker 2: in depth, but I'm curious when I've got flies. Oh sorry,
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  Speaker 2: almost got them. But when I talk about faith, there
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  Speaker 2: is one of three reactions. The first reaction is somebody
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  Speaker 2: who is of the same faith and is like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you're in my camp. I'm a Christian, I understand, which
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  Speaker 2: is arguable whether or not we all understand what that
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  Speaker 2: actually means, by the way, but there's that one reaction.
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  Speaker 2: The second reaction is something along the lines of I
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  Speaker 2: think Christians are stupid and strange and so well, obviously
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  Speaker 2: you can't hold this belief structure and also be an
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  Speaker 2: educated individual worth understanding and getting to know, and so
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  Speaker 2: that's unfortunate. But that reaction exists. And then the third is,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I understand or agree with everything
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  Speaker 2: you believe, but I am open to still being a
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  Speaker 2: human with you. And so you're number three in my book.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, let me know. But your number three
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  Speaker 2: in my book in the sense that I'm so grateful
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  Speaker 2: that we get to have these conversations, even if we
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily agree on everything. I was curious from your perspective,
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  Speaker 2: is there anything that you find in the Christian faith
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  Speaker 2: that you are like, that's cool. I'm really glad that exists,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm grateful that that's how it works in the world.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, one hundred percent. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I was brought up into Mormon faith, very Christian faith.
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  Speaker 3: I did it to your mission in Brazil where for
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  Speaker 3: two years all I did was teach people about the Bible.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously the Mormons believe also in the Book of Mormon
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  Speaker 3: and other books and different things, but the core tenants
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  Speaker 3: of Christianity are something that is still very much a
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  Speaker 3: part of my day to day to day and faith
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  Speaker 3: is a huge thing in my life. Like when we
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  Speaker 3: face challenges, which we all do, like, yeah, to believe
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  Speaker 3: that this is for a reason, this this is going
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  Speaker 3: to be, you know, becomes something better. There's there's a
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  Speaker 3: Mormons have an every six months the church leaders get
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: together and like have talks and you know, sermons and
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And there's one that stands out
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  Speaker 3: to me. I believe the scripture is Hebrews nine to eleven,
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  Speaker 3: something about believing in a high priest, an high priest
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  Speaker 3: of good things to come and one of the apostles,
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  Speaker 3: the leader, talks about a story where he leaves a
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  Speaker 3: town with his little family. They have to move, they've
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: got no money. His car breaks down. He has to
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: walk back to the next town, and a guy drives
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: them all back to the town. They try to take
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: a look at the car and you know, try to
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  Speaker 3: fix it up. They drive back out of town and
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: almost like within ten feet of the last place, the
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: car blew up. That blows up again, and he walks
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: back to town. He's either he finds the same dude
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  Speaker 3: that gives another ride. He's like, either either you or
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  Speaker 3: somebody that looks like you as having not a lot
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: of luck with cars right now. And anyway, it's you know,
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  Speaker 3: forty fifty years later and he's driving by the same
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  Speaker 3: spot and visiting relatives or whatever. And he drives by
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  Speaker 3: and he describes like in his mind, I seeing that
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  Speaker 3: young father with no money and just you know, like
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: just just slope the weight of the world on his shoulder,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: and he just like, in his head, I'll probably get
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: a little emotional, But in his head he says to
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  Speaker 3: his younger self, like, don't you quit, don't you stop.
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  Speaker 3: There is so much more happiness to come. Like I'm
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: sitting in my car, my wife's asleep. That's a safe
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: car that gets me from point A to point B.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I had a good career like and he just says, trust,
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  Speaker 3: trust in the High Priest of good things to come.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think about that. I read that story
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  Speaker 3: a lot, and I just I think having faith is
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  Speaker 3: just such an important thing for all of us to do.
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  Speaker 3: So Yes, there's so much to the Christian faith and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of other faiths that I find really inspiring
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  Speaker 3: and try to make them a part of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for that. I appreciate you sharing that. And
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I think, I think at the very core of this
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  Speaker 2: health and fitness coaching and training thing, it is a
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  Speaker 2: practice of faith when I can look at somebody and
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  Speaker 2: see who they could be in the next couple of
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  Speaker 2: years if we jointly did things right by them and
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: put in the work and discipline the process and guided
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: the path and made changes as we need to along
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: the way. And so from from medio, I'm grateful that
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  Speaker 2: you operate in faith in that way because it's it's
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  Speaker 2: needed and necessary and at the same time, the fruit
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  Speaker 2: of that we don't always get to see, so if
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: you would. On that note, I'd like to pray over
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: you and boundless body and close us out here sounds great, Father, God,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for this day, thank you for
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to spend time with Casey, and thank you
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: for the way that you brought us together years ago
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  Speaker 2: in a sense that was encouraging to both of us
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  Speaker 2: and continues to be so. God. I pray for his
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: enterprise and boundless body and his wife Bethany. God, I
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  Speaker 2: pray that you will reveal yourself to them in a
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  Speaker 2: way that only they could understand. I also pray that
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  Speaker 2: you'll bless the work of their hands when they work
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  Speaker 2: with individuals, and that you'll animate them with genuine love,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: genuine gratitude, and genuine peace to help people find the
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: truth about how to feed themselves. Well, God, I also
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  Speaker 2: pray that you bless this podcast that it'll land on
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  Speaker 2: the ears that need to hear it to find freedom
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: and truth in their own nutrition practice. We love you,
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  Speaker 2: Lord in Jesus' name. Amen, Well, brother, thank you so much,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: and you listeners. You guys know what I'm about to say. Guys,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: this has been coach Alex VN Houghton on the Faithful
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  Speaker 2: Fitness podcast. Until next time, Train hard, but pray harder.
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