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Trekcast 478: Strange New Worlds Season 4: Did We Get Our Predictions Right? · Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast

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  Speaker 1: The Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek Podcast. Coming at you
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  Speaker 1: live from studios in New York, Idaho, and Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: This is.
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  Speaker 1: TrekCast, the galaxy's most unpredictable Star Trek podcast. Today on
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  Speaker 1: the show, we're going to talk about Season 4, Episode
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  Speaker 1: 10 of Strange New Worlds, Tomorrow's Enterprise. Plus, we've got
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  Speaker 1: Star Trek news and your listener feedback. I am Scott
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  Speaker 1: Bauters with Dan Lombardo. And now, he is trying to
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  Speaker 1: see if there is any hope for Star Trek by
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  Speaker 1: talking to his future self, Daniel Reyes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: What's future Daniel say? Yes. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Are you the Daniels?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Is that what it is? Because it's plural.
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  Speaker 2: It's plural.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's two of them.
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  Speaker 3: There's two of me. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: We need to get Archer in here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what's really funny is I've been watching the
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  Speaker 2: Zindi season recently.
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  Speaker 3: Really? Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just out of the blue, I started watching it.
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  Speaker 2: I actually finished it the same day that Stranger Worlds ended.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I watched both season finales at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: you know, same day.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Which is better.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Zindi, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: But it's weird how they both had time travel. They both,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it was a serious finale. It was kind
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  Speaker 2: of funny to compare the two.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Daniels, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, how are you guys doing? What's been going on?
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  Speaker 3: I got my first autumn cold, so that's fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going around, man.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if I sound all bassy, extra bassy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If I sound extra bassy and snotty and you see
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  Speaker 3: me mute the mic, that's probably so I could clear
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  Speaker 3: something out, you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny. I was just telling Daniel just before you
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  Speaker 1: came on, before the show, that... I've been under the
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  Speaker 1: weather for the last two weeks and I just, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of a, uh, nothing big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Just a little bit. I thought it was a cold
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  Speaker 1: and I had a, uh, just a regular checkup at
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  Speaker 1: the VA, uh, on Friday. And I told, uh, my, uh,
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  Speaker 1: primary care provider, which is a friend of mine, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Andrea deployed with her and she's like, um, had a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of cough. I said, yeah. And, uh, she
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  Speaker 1: listened to my lungs. She's like, I'm going to send
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  Speaker 1: you down to a radiology, get a chest x-ray. Okay. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: long story short. Pneumonia. I've had pneumonia. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man. That's no good.
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  Speaker 3: So you could check that off your 2026 list.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I can.
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  Speaker 3: Pneumonia. Check.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: No big deal.
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  Speaker 3: You know, whatever. Yeah. I spent the day in the
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  Speaker 3: hospital yesterday. My dad got sick, got taken to the hospital.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's 77 years old, so he's getting to
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  Speaker 3: that age.
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  Speaker 2: Is he doing better now?
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  Speaker 3: He's got a heart surgery scheduled in the near future.
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  Speaker 3: Those are rough. Yeah, they were going to do it today,
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  Speaker 3: but they're like, no, we want to address the fluid
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  Speaker 3: in your lungs first. We want to address your suboptimum
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  Speaker 3: performing kidneys first. So you're... You're going to live here
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  Speaker 3: now for.
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  Speaker 2: A little while. I've been there.
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  Speaker 3: It sucks, dude. Yeah. I'm supposed to go away tomorrow
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  Speaker 3: for a week for work. And it's like the place
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  Speaker 3: I'm going is not close.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see if I'm actually going.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody here will be pulling for your dad.
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  Speaker 3: Whenever Dan says he has a cold, I get PTSD
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  Speaker 3: for him thinking it was COVID. Yeah. Yeah. That was
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  Speaker 3: the TrekCast crossover episode.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: We had David on that episode.
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  Speaker 2: TrekCast Generations, I guess?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That was a fun show.
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  Speaker 3: Not a fun time.
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  Speaker 2: Not a fun time, but a fun show. You've got
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  Speaker 2: to find the joy where you can find it.
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  Speaker 3: That was that time that I blew through Tiger King
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  Speaker 3: in one day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Man, Tiger King was such a stamp in time. It
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  Speaker 2: was only then, and that's now. That's it.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well, I hope it goes well with your dad, man.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That's rough.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Well, on that hard turn, should we get to the news?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't mean to.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. It's going to be all
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  Speaker 1: pathetic and sad.
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  Speaker 3: For the rest of the show. Hey, who opened the airlock?
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  Speaker 3: Dan did. That's right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: All right, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Star Trek News.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so our first news story comes to us
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  Speaker 2: from Deadline, and we are learning more about the Paramount-Warner
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  Speaker 2: Brothers merger that seems to be going ahead, except for
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  Speaker 2: one minor speed bump. So let's watch what's going.
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  Speaker 1: On with them.
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  Speaker 3: I hate that bumper.
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  Speaker 2: It's the worst.
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  Speaker 3: It's like just... Just merge already so we can stop
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  Speaker 3: with the bumper.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. So, yeah, so basically a judge
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  Speaker 2: right now is putting a little bit of a delay
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  Speaker 2: on the settlement. The judge wants to hear some briefings
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  Speaker 2: from all the parties involved with the lawsuits. Just wants
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  Speaker 2: to know, you know, is this going to be actually
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  Speaker 2: good for the industry if we let it go through?
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  Speaker 2: If not, Um, as I don't know if you guys
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  Speaker 2: have heard, but, uh, Paramount has conceded to making like
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  Speaker 2: 30 movies a year per, uh, starting next year, which is,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how they're going to pull that off.
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  Speaker 2: Cause right now as it sits, I think between Warner
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  Speaker 2: brothers and Paramount, they only have 35 movies ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: And there's what to do. 30 movies, you know, between each.
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  Speaker 1: Cage is ready to go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I, I have, uh, I have an inside source. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And my source has informed that the judge, the judge
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  Speaker 3: is one of us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: And what he wants to know, he says, these movies,
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  Speaker 3: Prime or Kelvin, that's what he wants to know before
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  Speaker 3: he'll approve this deal.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: And Star Trek Legacy, when is it happening?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the holdup.
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  Speaker 2: That's the holdup. Yes, of course.
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  Speaker 3: I wish. God, could you imagine? Could you imagine if
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  Speaker 3: this guy's one of us and he just comes in
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  Speaker 3: in the ninth inning and he's like, I got this. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let's make Star Trek great.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so. Well, that's all we need is for people
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  Speaker 1: to be wearing hats to make Star Trek great again.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Standing outside what used to be the Academy or what
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  Speaker 2: will be.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so they got to follow some briefs, but it's
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  Speaker 2: still going to go through. It's just a slight delay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Our next news story comes to us from Variety. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're planning to go to this, Dan,
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  Speaker 2: but New York City Comic Con is right around the corner.
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  Speaker 2: And it looks like Grandpa's going to be there. William Shatner.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. Yeah. Oh, my.
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  Speaker 3: He will be there.
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  Speaker 2: Um, also some of the stars.
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  Speaker 3: Is he going to look like that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to, he's not, he's going to run through
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  Speaker 2: Academy's makeover machine.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then he'll, he'll look great. No, I can't. Some
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  Speaker 2: of the stars from Academy season two will be there.
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  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, not going.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So they'll, they'll have quite a few panels for Star Trek. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, this happens, uh, October 10th. So there
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  Speaker 2: you go. If you're planning to go to Comic-Con in
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  Speaker 2: New York, you'll get some Star Trek.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you're William Shatner's age and you make
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  Speaker 1: plans for any more than about 14 days out, that's brave.
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  Speaker 2: Well, did you see the... I posted it in our group.
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  Speaker 2: He also released a statement just a few days ago
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  Speaker 2: saying that he wasn't going to do anything for Kirk
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  Speaker 2: unless it was good, basically. Okay. And that's because there
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  Speaker 2: was a rumor that Uh, the, um, the strange two
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  Speaker 2: worlds team had tried to reach out to him and
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  Speaker 2: we're trying to get.
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  Speaker 1: Them on board.
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  Speaker 2: And he was just like, yeah, it wasn't good. So
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't there. Oh, well, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a bit of Trek clout.
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  Speaker 2: So a little bit, a little bit, you know, that's
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  Speaker 2: gotta be a tough one.
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  Speaker 3: He's also, he's also 80 something years old. So even
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  Speaker 3: if he's only, yeah, 90. So even if he's only
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  Speaker 3: got like six grand in the bank, he's got enough
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  Speaker 3: money to last him the rest of his life. Right. Literally. Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: In our last news story comes from popular science and
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  Speaker 2: this is one actually we've been tracking since the early
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  Speaker 2: days of trek cast but do you remember there was
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  Speaker 2: a uh they found a model of the enterprise that
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  Speaker 2: was screen used and it was on ebay yeah well
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  Speaker 2: now that's finally headed to mit so it'll be on
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  Speaker 2: display at the mit museum it's just an 11-inch model.
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  Speaker 2: But there it is. You can see it right there.
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  Speaker 2: So it's on its way. It will be on display.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of neat. It goes from eBay to MIT.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the structural integrity of Field is gone. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, hey, well, morning, fellow Trickcasters. Looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: seeing your guys' prediction results.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can only imagine.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. That's the Star Trek news. There's not
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  Speaker 2: a lot going on right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anything else you guys want to bring up before we
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  Speaker 2: get into it? No?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's do it.
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  Speaker 4: Fun will now commence.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: So full disclosure. Yeah. I pseudo-watched this episode.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: How so? Well, I watched it at work. Okay. Yeah. So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I was doing other shit while I was
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  Speaker 3: doing it. So I heard the whole episode. I was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, glancing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Glancing back. I probably missed, if there's like Easter eggs
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  Speaker 3: in the background, like I guess there's a cat lady
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  Speaker 3: in the background. Yeah, and one of the bird people. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But they were there.
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  Speaker 1: I have some good things to say about this particular episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, go for it.
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  Speaker 1: Do it.
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  Speaker 3: Don't hurt yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, I have to rate this episode, but I
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  Speaker 1: have to give a rating on two different scales, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we should say this is called Tomorrow's Enterprise. This
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  Speaker 2: is the season finale of season four.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. I would give this a six... For a Star
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  Speaker 1: Trek episode, I would give this a six and a
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  Speaker 1: half out of ten.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: For a Star Trek Strange New Worlds season four episode,
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  Speaker 1: I would give this a solid 9.5 out of ten.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the overall... score from fans is a 7.4.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Out of 10. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So this was a, this was a good episode.
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  Speaker 2: Jacob says this is a great end to a bad season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was a great end.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So just, just to, just.
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  Speaker 3: To recap a little bit, they're, they're studying a black hole. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: on the other side.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: On the other side. No, they're, they're studying a white
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  Speaker 3: hole on the other side. Uh, the enterprise from a
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  Speaker 3: year from now is studying a white hole or black hole.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. The, there's two enterprises, one from right now,
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  Speaker 3: one from a year from now, they're both studying the
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  Speaker 3: same astronomical phenomenon from opposite sides. Uh, the two Ahoras
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  Speaker 3: become linked. They can communicate with each other. Uh, a
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  Speaker 3: year from now, Scotty is dead. So they're, they're basically
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  Speaker 3: working to prevent Scotty's death. They're working together. Ahoras working
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  Speaker 3: with herself to prevent Scott. Um, Pike is obviously the
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  Speaker 3: captain of our enterprise. Uh, Kirk is the captain of
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  Speaker 3: the enterprise. So we get into the enterprise a year
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  Speaker 3: from now. We see that some things have changed such
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  Speaker 3: as uniforms and hairstyles, and they're very much in line
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  Speaker 3: with what we've seen on TOS. I'm sorry. Did I
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  Speaker 3: come out?
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Dan's not something he liked.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Scotty.
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  Speaker 3: Scotty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, he's a sexy man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I thought that the woman who plays
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  Speaker 1: Uhura did a fantastic job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I would like to go so far as to
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  Speaker 1: say I honestly think that Nichelle Nichols would have liked her.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Will Wheaton said that recently. He said he knew them both,
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  Speaker 2: and he said absolutely Nichelle would have loved her.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And I know what they were trying to go for.
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  Speaker 1: I know she was trying to do a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of copy without totally copying. It was obviously they tried
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  Speaker 1: to do the look. But I think she wasn't trying
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  Speaker 1: too hard to do Nichelle Nichols inflections and things. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was an homage to her, not a recreation,
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  Speaker 1: not a copy. I really liked her performance.
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  Speaker 3: So I saw a lot of people online I was
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  Speaker 3: a little disappointed. A lot of people online, they said
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  Speaker 3: the Scotty Ohura romance, where did that come from? That
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  Speaker 3: came from nowhere. No, it didn't come from nowhere. Star
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  Speaker 3: Trek V, those two are a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It's obvious they have a history. They flirted
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  Speaker 1: throughout the entire series. If you go back and watch
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  Speaker 1: the original series, they exchanged looks.
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  Speaker 2: There was a vibe.
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  Speaker 3: A little disappointed we didn't get Bones. They mention him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they mention him, but you're doing a flash forward, I
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  Speaker 3: thought for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, the way this episode played out, it could have
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  Speaker 2: been your series finale if you had thrown in Bones
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  Speaker 2: just to put him in there. I'm surprised we didn't
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  Speaker 2: get Sulu. If they had Ortegas out and not flying
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  Speaker 2: the ship, where was Sulu?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: If they really want to do a deep cut, they
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  Speaker 3: should have done Sulu in a blue uniform.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: Because in early TOS, he was a botanist. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's not forget the Chekhov.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that is such a cheap cut.
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  Speaker 4: Warning, warning.
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  Speaker 2: Nerd alert.
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  Speaker 4: Nerd alert.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you deserve that. Thanks. Between the Daniels
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  Speaker 2: and that, like, it was needed.
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  Speaker 1: You know, let's not forget Chekhov. And I know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to tell me that Walter Koenig was not
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  Speaker 1: in season one of Chekhov. of Star Trek, but it's
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  Speaker 1: clearly established in Star Trek 2 that he was around
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  Speaker 1: for season one, just might not have been on the bridge.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Bill is saying Scotty flirted with a few young lassies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, man, it's not that this episode was bad. I
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  Speaker 2: just found it dull. I think on paper, it's a
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  Speaker 2: perfectly fine Star Trek episode. It makes sense. It's an
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: interesting situation. I was just I think because the whole
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: season as a whole, I was so checked out at
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: that point that I just didn't care anymore.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I did. I thought it was refreshing
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: after several foul balls. I thought this was a line
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: drive right up the middle. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: seeing Kirk as Captain Kirk. I like Paul Wesley. I
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: know not everybody does. Yeah, I thought it was good.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Well, Bill, that's not how black holes work, even in
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: science fiction.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I know. But you got to have something, right?
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I think I remember an episode of Star Talk where
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about white holes.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: So I think they might be a thing.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: They're a theoretical thing, but we've never found one.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Are they toucans and a string? Probably not, but... Yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right now they're just theoretical. So they can be
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: whatever you want them to be.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I love Scotty doing a Midwestern accent in this one, too.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's pretty good.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: That was funny.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: You know, the callbacks were fun. That was neat. I'm
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: not sure why all of a sudden everybody plays poker.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Did they play poker in TOS? I don't remember that.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: That wasn't their game. You know, Deep Space Nine had darts,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and Voyager had pool, and Next Gen had poker. Um, this,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: they had 3d chess in the original series, right? It's
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the game they play. I don't know why they doubled down. Yeah,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that's okay. You can hold it right there. You can
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: just leave it on that one.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: You guys really like Spock, man.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: There.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Yes. Spock is looking, uh, is looking good there. I
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: can't imagine anybody on the other side of that table.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I got your white hole right here.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: You know, Chaz, this, we all thought it.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: We all thought those things. It doesn't mean you gotta
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: say them, buddy. Yeah, yeah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: That's so funny. Yeah, so the episode happened. I'm glad
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: you guys enjoyed it more than me. That's fine. Should
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: we get into our predictions? Because that's really the main
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: event here.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember what I picked. I don't remember
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: the questions.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't answered any of them. I'm waiting for
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: us to go through them all. So we went through
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: quite a few different things. We had either likely or
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: unlikely were our responses to those predictions. So our first one,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: we'll just go down the line and then we'll decide.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Can one of you guys keep notes of the scoreboard?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Do you have a pen and paper?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: You'll do that?
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Great. Okay.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: So our first one, Joe on Facebook, it won't be
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: as good as season one. We all said that that
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: was very likely. Um, I, I would say we all
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: got that one, right?
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah. Okay.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: So the answer is it was, okay. Uh, JMD 69
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: on Instagram said, I think we'll see more of a
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: buildup of Kirk and more development with his relationship with Spock.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: We all said likely for that.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it happened in dude, where's my start shuttlecraft.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: So we all get a point.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Still a brand new ball game. Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: We've still got a few more, though.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Rowan from Facebook. Lon meets Picard. Both Scott and Dan
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: said unlikely. I said likely because it didn't say Captain Picard.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It just said Picard. So that didn't happen.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Dan and Scott.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, here we go.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: The puppet episode will be cringe.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Both.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Myself and scott said that that was likely going to
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: be cringe dan was the only one who believed in
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the puppets really said unlikely yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Was i drunk that day what was yeah you said
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: unlikely okay so scott pulls ahead yeah what's the what's
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: the score right now scott.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: You guys are tied up at three, and I've got four.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Alright, the next one. Dan will go on
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: a rant on how this show has gotten worse. Scott
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: said likely, and only myself and Dan said unlikely.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I pretty much ranted the whole season.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: The whole season?
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: So, I guess Scott got that one. Liz from Facebook.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: My prediction is Anson Mount will continue to be Handsome
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and sexy. We all said likely.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I think we're all right on that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: We're all right.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Sure. Well, we're either all right or we're all wrong.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Hanson Mount's a sexy guy.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Another one from Instagram. Spock dies. We all said unlikely.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, kind of, because it was in that dream
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: where he was needing a new heart and they were
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: trying to get Sarek or... cyborg but did he die
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: i mean didn't he kind of for like a moment.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Did he i don't remember jacob it was all a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: dream yeah yeah so are we saying he died or
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: not i don't think he died we all voted the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: same right we all voted the same so i'm gonna
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: say we all got that one right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Okay he didn't die i'm gonna say we all got it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Wrong too late i already wrote down the check.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Mark schrodinger's spock yep he's alive and he's dead at.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: The same time exactly all.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Right all right uh curtis from fate from facebook The refit, maybe?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: We all said unlikely. There was no refit.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: There was no refit.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of agreement in the first half
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: of this poll.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, quite a bit. But we're almost to the end.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: We're halfway through.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Nigel says, half the episodes will contradict canon and be terrible.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Scott and Dan both said likely. I said unlikely. All right,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: let's break this down.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Let's break this down. were at least half the episodes
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: countered at canon? I mean, we can all agree that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: at least half of the episodes were terrible.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Right, but are we sticklers that they had to do both,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: countered at canon and be terrible? Could they just be
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: terrible and then fall?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Or was it they're terrible because they countered at canon?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I think this is more of a canon question and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: not a terrible question.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because half the episodes are terrible. I was more
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: than half, but.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about canon then. okay i mean what
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: what uh what went against canon what did you know
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: um it was such a hodgepodge of bad that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah i can't really think of major canon maybe the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: invisible ship they were after kind of a romulan thing
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: even though they never said what it was.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Man but that doesn't really go against canon yeah because
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: they didn't know what it was yeah this question should
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: have been broken down into two parts.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah well you you and dan both said likely that
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: it would be terrible and contrary to canon, and I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: said unlikely.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to have to give this one
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: to Daniel.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: To me? Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Wait, which one?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I think you and Dan got it, because at least
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: half the episodes are terrible.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. I'll agree.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I'll agree it's terrible.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Dan and Scott get a point.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: All right, next one ends on a cliffhanger for season five.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: We all said likely. It did not.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: It did not? Yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I'm really surprised by that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Do you want to do another recap.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Where we're at? Yeah. Dan has seven. Daniel has six.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And I have eight.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Okay. You're in the lead.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Oof. Okay.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: We see McCoy. Both Scott and Dan said likely. I
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: said unlikely.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Ooh.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Coming up, baby.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: The Enterprise don't drone fighters return.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Both.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Scott and Dan said unlikely. I said likely. We didn't
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: get the drone fighters, but we did get drones for
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a space baby. But they weren't the fighters.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Nope. Fighters.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: They weren't the fighters.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess those are two separate things, aren't they? Yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So who gets the points? Dan and I?
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I do not get a point. They finally revisit Cybok.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Scott said unlikely. I said unlikely. Dan was the only
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: one to say likely.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Gotta give it to him.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Gotta give it to him. God bless America.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was back.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Captain Angel returns. Scott said likely. I said likely. Dan
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: was the only one to say no.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, did I just pull ahead?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I believe you did. I believe you did.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Where are we at now? We're down to the last two.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Dan is at ten. Daniel is at seven. And I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: am at nine. Wow.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It's neck and neck, baby. It's neck and neck.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Return to the binars. Scott said unlikely. I said unlikely.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Dan said likely.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: What was I smoking?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. So that gives a point for me
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and Daniel.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, are you two tied right now?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: We're tied.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: What's it at? Oh, no.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It's Dan is at 10. Daniel's at eight. seven and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: no he's eight and scott is at.
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: 10 10 and 10 okay oh no here we go
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: here's our time scotty and des make it through tos
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: by the end of season four scott we did.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Not watch a single episode yeah there's.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Dan got it because he said unlikely oh hey scott
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: hey scott Thanks for winning that for me.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I hate you. That was totally in your control, too.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And with the final score of Dan at 11, Daniel
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: at 8, and Scott at 10, the winner is Dan.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I'm going to blame this one solely on Desiree.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: She didn't want to watch TOS with you?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: She probably did.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: She should have blamed your wife.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: She should have pushed me more.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: There's no way of blaming your wife on the internet.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: You can watch all the TOS you want on the
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: couch by yourself.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: By myself.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Yes, we need puppet versions of ourselves. Somebody
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: with AI get on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Puppet versions
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of Daniel.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: That's going to be in the room, in the Facebook
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: group for sure. I did want to bring this up
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: since we're talking about Strange New Worlds. I got that
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: series chart thing that I found.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's rough, buddy. It's really rough. It is
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: progressively getting worse and worse as the seasons go on. Yeah,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: so this season ended... Okay, so... To give people an idea,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: season one overall got a 7.8. This comes just from
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: series graph. It's basically Rotten Tomatoes, but for TV shows.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So they get all the ratings around and put them together.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Season two was a little bit higher at 8.0. Season three,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit lower at 7.1. But season four got
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: a 6.3. People were just not as into it, baby.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: You can see like if it's like a five or lower,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: it gets a red mark showing like it's not a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: good episode. And half the episodes are red marks.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And that's that's not just for like people that, oh,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I hate, you know, what modern Trek is. No, it's
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: overall fans like the sentiment across the Internet. That's bad, man.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Only three of the episodes were green marks showing that
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: they were eights or above.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. Desiree says, well, I was the one who
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: entered that prediction. Yeah, that's all. So I lost because
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of you, Des. Thanks a lot.
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Des. Chuck's in the mail. Uh-huh.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: You know, so I tried to find, like, we've had
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: those articles from the producers saying that, you know, strange
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: new worlds, the worlds are genres and everything. But now
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that the final episode's been out, One of the producers
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: actually did an interview, a podcast interview, and I pulled
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: a sound clip getting their reaction to all the criticism.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to play that audio, and then you
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: guys let me know what you think of their response, okay?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: You ready? Yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care. My jokes don't go over.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: I don't care.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Everybody, I don't care. He does not care.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: I don't care.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: That's about right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: That sounds... Yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: That was Alex Kurtzman, right?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, that was Kurtzman.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Hey, well, now that we're over with that, can we
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: get up to the main topic, lanterns?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Lanterns, yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Lanterns is going to be so good. Yeah. This is
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: definitely the darkest night with this with this show right
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: now oh boy yeah uh so we got six more
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: episodes for season five um right now the predictions are
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: all over the place is it going to be more
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: of this you know genre hopping is it going to
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: be back to normal i've seen predictions.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: For both you know it's only six episodes so yeah
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: so disappointing they must they must have like a final
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: story that they are yeah Yeah, even though I heard
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the rumor that it's all episodic.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, man. It really could be. I
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: could see them trying to do like three or four
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: episodes of just wackiness, and then their final two are
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: their let's tie up the season.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Do you think that the editors are scrambling right now?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: They've gotten the feedback, and they're like, what can we
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: do in the editing?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: They don't care.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the song said. They don't care. You
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: didn't hear the clip a minute ago?
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: They don't care at all, man. Yeah, I don't know.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Show's over.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: So I don't need to take notes anymore, right? It
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what I write down on this little notepad. Okay, yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: And the thing that sucks is I could.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Be the head of Paramount and it wouldn't matter what
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I wrote down on my little notebook for taking notes
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: because the season's already shot. They shot it. It's shot.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I sound like Ant-Man in Endgame.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I had a buddy who went and saw Endgame and
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: he put on Facebook, it could have been an email,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: all the new changes.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Right, right, yeah.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It's over. It's over. Well, Bill, what could they possibly
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: do in editing to fix any of those? Yeah, I
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: thought about that too. My only thought was, remember the
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: old school pop-up videos where they would have little factoids
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: on the music videos?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Do that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: He's like, oops, we didn't mean to do this.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Or have it as an episode. What was that Mystery
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Science Theater 3000? Just have, like, they should just have
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the three of us at the bottom of the screen.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Just making fun of it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we got six more episodes. Yeah. I'm
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: just going to hope for the best.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully. I mean, we got Academy around the corner.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: We got the last season, and then it's over.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: My hope is at the close of season three. Uh-huh.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: They knew how they wanted to finish the show. So
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: like season four was, yeah, it was filler. And because
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: it's filler, let's just do some fun stuff. Yeah.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Do whatever the fun stuff did.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: It didn't land.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: It didn't land. Um, but they still had that plan
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: for season five.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if that's true, but that's what
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going to believe. That's what I'm going to take
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: into it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Comes.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I'm going to hope for the best.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I want to believe that with you. I really want
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: to believe that. How do you want it to end?
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Do you want to see Pike get injured and he's
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: in the chair? Do you want to see him one
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: last adventure and then he's accepting that fate? What do
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: you want?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I want to see I want them to stay true
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: to canon and retcon it a little bit all at
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the same time. I want things to play out exactly
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: how they're supposed to. He sacrifices himself. He ends up
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: in the chair. He lives out his days with the Talosians.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: But in the end, when he chooses what imaginary life
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: he wants for himself, when he chooses that snapshot in
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: time that he wants to live out in his mind,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: he chooses season three of Strange New Worlds. He wants
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: to spend the rest of his life with these people.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: That's something that I could get But they won't. They'll
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: come up with something non-canon and not as good as
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: what I said. Or he'll survive and he'll be Admiral Pike. Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I keep trying to think what I would do. What
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I think would probably be best. I don't think as
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a viewer, I don't think I want to see him
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in the chair, but I want to acknowledge that he's
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: going there.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And maybe it ends with him going to that situation
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and other people are like but pike you know what's
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: going to happen to you and he's like it's okay
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and like he looks at kirk and he's like the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: ship's in good hands with you and like that kind
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: of thing but he he's accepting it but he you
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: know he's on his way to do his noble sacrifice.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Because in the original series that the there was the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: cage and then they used that as a clip show
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: for was it the menagerie yes what okay And that's
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: where he goes off with the Talosians and has his
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: fantasy life, right?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I think episode six should start out with that fantasy life,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and then they can do a recap. Yeah, I definitely
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: want to see a happy ending for him, and it
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: seems like The Menagerie was a happy ending for Pike.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Happy-ish.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: It was a happy-ish ending.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: And then he chooses, I want to see him choose
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the fantasy life with him and his daughter.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like to see that too. That's a
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: good idea.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: That's where that ties in. That was the fantasy or
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: that was the alternate whatever. That's what we see him
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: at the end, embracing his daughter. He's with his daughter
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and the Enterprise goes off to begin his first five-year mission.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Everybody's like, We're all like, we want to be hopeful,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: but we've seen the shit show of a season, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: we're not sure that the writers are capable of doing
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: good Trek anymore.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I still don't think it's the writers. I think
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: it's the showrunners, and they're just doing what they're being
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: told to do, you know? Because there are moments, even
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: in some of these bad episodes, where it's really good.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, the talent of the actors is there. The
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: talent of the writing is there.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Agreed. It feels like they're being, you know, their hands
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: are tied behind their back.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: They need to be unshackled.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: That's right. Unshackled from insanity.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Yes. It's been way too much unshackling already.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: That's right. That's right.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No more shackling.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, let's, uh, we got people already starting
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to wait and they want to talk. So let's get
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: to a listener feedback. Listener feedback.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: If you want to join us in, uh, on the show,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: just X up in the chat, put an X and
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I'll send you the link so you can join us. Uh,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: we already got hipster Spock and Chazbiz waiting. Uh, but
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: before we get to that, we've got a voicemail. So let's, uh,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: let's play that.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: So for the season fail of Star Trek, uh, good episode,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: liked it. Lots of callbacks. I actually felt like a
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Trek episodes changed the world's new life and all that,
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: et cetera.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: It was good.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Uh, lots of, uh, The animated series references, because you
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: see in, like, the bird with the wings, the animated
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: cat person, and the lizard, those are all from the
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: animated series. So I thought that was kind of cool. No,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: they just did a really good job with this episode.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: But apparently this was supposed to be the series finale,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: but after they found out they got six more episodes, the.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: They reshot some of these episodes. So the stuff that
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: they shot for this will be in episode six of
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: season five. So now we'll be able to find what
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: happened to Lon, how, uh, the Helmsman becomes a captain
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: of the shuttle. And, um, hopefully we get to see
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: that solar storm and how for her, um, becomes a
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: poker player and how Spock becomes more Leonard Nimoy type
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Spock to differentiate the two that we saw in this
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: episode again for the 60 year episode great so it
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: sucks that it's ending I would have liked seeing the
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Kirk year one of the Enterprise but a break will
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: probably be much needed to see everything reset and new
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: stories etc but yeah I got no complaints for the
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to do a rewatch and I think
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: I might appreciate season four a little bit better so
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: overall Good.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: There you go. The penguin has spoken. He liked it. So, yeah,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you can also leave us a voicemail, 570-661-0001. That's 570-661-0001. And, yeah,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: we'd love to hear from you as well. We've got
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: quite the lineup ready to go.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I think people have thoughts.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: People have thoughts, I think, for the season overall. So
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: we're going to go in order of who– Raise their hands.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: So we're going to go with Hipster Spock first. So
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: there we go. Hipster Spock, how are you doing, buddy?
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Hello, gentlemen.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: How are you guys doing today?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Good. How are you?
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Doing all right. It's Sunday.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: We've got to work tomorrow, right?
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Well, I've actually managed to watch three episodes of this
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: season somehow. And it's the season opener, the puppet episode,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: and the soap opera episode. Because I figure, OK, we're
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: going to do it.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: I'm a glutton for punishment, right? So, actually, I didn't
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: hate those episodes, actually. And it was, like, kind of entertaining.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was a good way to, like, unplug
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: my brain for a little bit and just enjoy the spectacle.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: And that was enough for me. But, you know, like,
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: you've watched all of, like, Strange New Worlds. You watched Academy.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Obviously.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: And so, I mean, Strange New Worlds have to be
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: a lot better than Academy, right?
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: It's better. for sure.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would take the worst episode of this
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: season over the best episode of Academy.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: So, you know, yeah, I guess we all had, like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: really high hopes for Strange New Worlds, given, like, the
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: first season was like really good and we thought that
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: it might carry through, but I guess, uh, they don't
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: have that much, um, feel in their tank.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Huh?
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: So I guess at some point, uh, they're just living
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: off of, uh, fumes. So, but still it's, I, I
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: wouldn't count them out just yet. It just, you know,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: If you take it really seriously, then of course you're
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: going to be disappointed. But I just use it to
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: unplug my brains and it's okay.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: No, that's fine, man. If you enjoyed it, that's great.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm glad you liked it. Absolutely.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying that it's great.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: But it's just something that's... Yeah, it's entertainment.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: So that's all I see of it. And yeah, Trek
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: is Trek, right?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: There you go. There you go.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, that's all I have to say. I guess
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Chaz Biz will have a lot more to say than me.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: So here you go, Chaz Biz. Go ahead.
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: Thanks a lot, guys.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Hipster Spock, before you go, are you still there? Yeah.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Are you watching Lanterns?
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: Lanterns?
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: I've seen lots of talk about them, but I haven't
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: really sat down and had a look.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: All right, well, take a look at it, and after
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: you do, come back and talk to us about it.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I'll give it a try.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: I'll give it a try.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Very good.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: There goes Hipster Spock. Oh, yeah, A-Wolf here. That should
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: be the tagline for Strangers in the World. Say, at
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: least it's better than Starfleet Academy.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. All right.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Before I bring on Chazviz, I've got to show this,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: because he put it up in the group. And I
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: don't think you guys got a chance to see this.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: There it is.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't hate these puppets. All right, Chaz,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: bringing you in so you can explain yourself with these puppets.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I've got a very strong beard. I like it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. You kind of look like the what
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: was the name of that TV spokesman? That was selling
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: stuff all the time. Billy B is here!
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: Don't do cocaine on airplanes.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: It'll be alright.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Just not on an airplane. Anywhere else is fine.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Don't get hit and be hyped up on coke. I
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: like how the AI turned my Amazon boxes into a lamp.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: It's kind of cool, right? It cleaned up a little
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: bit for me.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I like the Trek cast in Daniel's background.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. That might be my new profile picture.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: That's pretty great.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: So, Jasmine, what did you think of the episode and
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the season?
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: This episode was like, if they had more of these,
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: we'd be happy about the season, right?
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: Or just kind of like, it's better than the last season.
• 42:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, one thing I didn't like about this episode
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: was they couldn't figure out a name for the space baby.
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: And they just called it the space baby.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: You know, and they like make kind of it was
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: almost like a joke on like a lower decks joke,
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: you know, not taking.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: It too seriously.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: This is kind of serious.
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: Kind of killed Scotty and killed Ortega on the other ship.
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: The other timeline, too.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Wasn't she just the pilot on that shellcraft? Yeah, she
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: got injured, but that was it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, because I know Scotty died.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I got confused when that happened because when Future Uhura,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: when one year Future Uhura, I thought she went forward
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: another year for a minute. And I was confused what
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the timelines were because I was confused about because only
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: one person made it back from that original shuttle incident.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And it was her and Ortegas and Scotty. It seemed
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: like the ship exploded. And then I was like, who died?
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Who didn't die?
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: What?
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: What year is this? A year later? Is this two
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: years later? What is it?
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: So it's a time travel episode. When you watch these things,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: you have to kind of turn your brain off. You
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: can't try and figure out the logic because the more
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: you think about it, the more it falls apart. They
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: established that, we'll call them young Ohura and old Ohura.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: They've established that what young Ohura does in her time
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: frame affects the present of old Ohura. Hey, I need
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: this thing. I need this experiment, but I need a
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: year's worth of progress on it. So go start the experiment.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: So a year later, the experiment is done. And then
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I have the product of that experiment. Okay. So by
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: doing that, you're establishing what she does affects her. If
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: that's true, then every experience that young Ohura has, old
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Ohura should know it. Yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: It should be a memory to her. It should be
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: a one year old memory to her.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: So, you know, stuff like that. Once you realize stuff
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: like that, just, just turn your brain off. Just watch
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the show. Yeah.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I thought about that too. Like, well, why doesn't she say, no,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: at this point you do this. And at that point
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: you do that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to, I'm going to, uh, I'm
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: going to Facebook group for back to the future. Enthusiasts.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: And people were discussing this morning. Okay. So at the
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: end of the movie, Marty comes back, he's watching himself.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Watch doc get shot.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: And that Marty is about to jump into the DeLorean
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: and go back to 1955, right? At that point, it's
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: the Lone Pine Mall.
• 45:37
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• 45:40
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