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Hey there, everybody, it's Jeff. I wanted to let you know that
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we recorded this podcast episode and Opposition Territory podcast on Tuesday, April thirtieth,
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twenty twenty four. By the time you hear this, some things may have
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changed here there, but we hope you enjoy the show. All right,
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folks, welcome to Opposition Territory here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show,
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the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world. That's right,
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eleven years strong. We got a great discussion coming your way as we still
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continue to digest the NFL Draft, the talent that was taken, but more
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specifically, on this particular episode of Opposition Territory, we're gonna be getting into
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the NFC East, how the dynamics have changed a bit, what the Washington
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Commanders did, what the New York Giants did, what the Cowboys did as
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well, and of course the Philadelphia Eagles. What these teams did to not
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only help grow their teams in the future, but hopefully get to that next
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echelon of where each team wants to get to and where they want to be.
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We got a great discussion coming your way. We got a great guest,
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so let's get to it. It's great to have back on the podcast,
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coming to us from bloggintheboys dot com. You know, we love our
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SB nation sites, but I have not enjoyed the SB nation decision to get
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rid of some podcasts. And it's great to hear his voice. I told
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them right before we hit the record button. It is actually good to hear
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his voice because I missed it in our podcast feed. We've got the one
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and only Rjocho. RJ Buddy, thanks for jumping on our Opposition Territory pod
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this week. Of course, Jeff, thanks for having me, Thanks for
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giving me the chance to stretch my vocal forwards. Yes, these days my
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wife and two year old son they get to hear all my Cowboys takes and
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they're really annoyed. I mean they're just like, dude, find another outlet
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for this, please. They're still hearing about Jerry Jones and everybody. So
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it's nice to be with you. It's great to be you know, it's
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great to be talking to you. We're over zoom here and it's great to
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see you. Love your little studio area that you have there in the background.
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Folks can't see it here because we are only audio. Interestingly enough,
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RJ and I were talking about the benefits of video as well, So who
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knows what's going to happen with regard to that as it pertains to the PST
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podcast show. But I do want people to know that they can find your
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work on YouTube as well, RJ, so t help folks where they can
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look you up and get some real good content from you over on YouTube.
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I appreciate that. Yeah, obviously our podcast situation is a bit influx,
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and you know, we're hopeful, you know that there will be some sort
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of resolution. But in the meantime, the Block and the Boys YouTube channel,
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you can search for it and obviously just subscribe black videos. That always
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helps, you know, populating that, you know, two to three maybe
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four times a week. Obviously, last week was a bit busier than usual,
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making sure that I still have some outlet to provide my level of annoying
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thoughts all I did with the Cowboys and how displeased I am with just about
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everything they do these days. But I appreciate the opportunity for for you to
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shed some light on it. Absolutely, Hey, and Eagles fans, you
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could head on over and make some comments too. I mean, I'm sure
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Argie would absolutely love that contaminate your algorithm. I love that, Yes,
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absolutely well, Our Jeb wanted to bring you on to really talk about this
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NFL draft, specifically with regard to the NFC East. You're always so good
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to jump on the show to talk about NFC issue storylines with us. But
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I've just been reflecting on this draft a decent amount over these past couple of
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days here, and it was truly astonishing how we saw so many offensive positions
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being drafted in the first round. A lot of folks are saying, why,
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you know, why would that surprise you? It's an offensive league.
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I mean, it wasn't until the fifteenth pick where we saw our first defensive
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player taken. And again it was a little surprised by that. And here's
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why, because I viewed this past year in the NFL as the year of
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the defense. I've talked to our good friend Mark Schofield about this. Scoring
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was down bit last season, and it seemed like we saw a resurgence of
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the quote defender in the NFL. So that's why the draft kind of surprised
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me in a way. It seemed like the momentum and pendulum shift had begun.
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Swinging a little bit doesn't necessarily reflect drafts. I understand that, but
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I'm wondering, were you kind of surprised by how the first round this twenty
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twenty four draft really looked when you reflected on it. Obviously, I'm not
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surprised by the quarterbacks, right like, because at the end of the day,
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whether it's an offensive or defensively, you've got to have one of those.
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And by extension, I'm not surprised by the tackles, just because you
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can, you know, offensive line play at least it feels like has really
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become you know, last year, if anything there was a shortage of you
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know, it was it was quality offensive lineman. And so I am a
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bit surprised at the wide receiver situation just because you know, every year we
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talk about, oh, there's even more available now in college football. Now,
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I mean, I think the floor for what is average is just rising,
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and maybe that's kind of what it is. And so if Malik Neighbors
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is a separator for the Giants, then he's worth having. Obviously, I
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mean there's probably five wide receivers in the NFL, maybe, and that's kind
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of a moving you know, number. I think that that are like true
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and total difference makers. I think that one place for the Eagles, I
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think one place for the Cowboys. I think justin Jefferson Jamar Chase, right,
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like Tyry Kill's there some weeks, I'm on Russ Saint Brown is in
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there. Actually most weeks he's in there. But you know that club kind
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of changes on a week to week basis, And so I think it's it's
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worth having one of those guys, and some teams realize it's worth having two
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of those guys. I would put the Eagles in that box as well,
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And so, I mean it is strange, and I think if college football
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is not feeding you the top defensive prospects, then it's you know, not
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worth risking. I mean even you know, just using you know, my
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boy, your boy, you know, based on the Penn State, you
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know, hanging above your shoulder. Michael Parsons, the evaluation on him entering
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the NFL was wrong at that, Like he is one of the best defenders
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in the NFL, and he was evaluated as an off ball linebacker. So
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it's so much more difficult I think to project and to predict players being difference
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makers at that position, and so if you're an NFL general manager, you
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want to keep your job, and so you've got to go with the high
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flair prospects. Those are generally offensive players. Michael Parson's reaction, I didn't
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plan on asking you this though. To Quinn Mitchell's being drafted to the Eagles
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was was one of the great It's what I love. I've always loved about
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Michael Parsons. Yes, he's on Dallas Cowboys. I rooted for him when,
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of course he was on the Penn State Nitney Lyons team and was such
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a difference maker there. But his honesty always comes through. I don't know
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what were your thoughts with regard to his reaction, honestly, and I don't
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know if you saw this, because the draft can be a thing where you
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kind of fall in, you know, to the you know, the rabbit
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hole with your own team. Yeah, Micah had a reaction to the Cowboys
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pick. I don't know if you saw this when when Dallas took Tyler Guy
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and then that kind of took center stage. Yes, it is among Cowboys
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fans, and so I would offer that while it is cool, certainly from
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an Eagles fans perspective like, oh wow, Micah's honest and whatever, and
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the Howie Roseman love is just everywhere. So I think there's there's already that
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like callous built up for Cowboys fans. Yeah, most Cowboys fans are reacting
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to how he felt about Dallas's pick and how you know, inappropriate. It
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feels like a heavy word, but been inappropriate for anyone who missed it.
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He was just kind of sulking. It wasn't great. Yeah, yeah,
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it did not reflect great leadership. It wasn't a great like I'm super pumped
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that this dude's on my team kind of vibe. And so that's, you
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know, Mike has worn a little bit thin, if I'm being honest,
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on a lot of Cowboys fans this offseason, and that's just kind of the
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way it goes sometimes. But I do find him to be entertaining. I
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agree with you, yep. Absolutely. All right, Well let's get into
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some NFC teams here, some NFC East teams, i should say, in
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terms of reflecting on what they did within this draft, and I'd like to
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first start out with your team, the team that you follow, you cover,
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team you root for, RJ, the Dallas Cowboys. So I mean,
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it's a general two part question here, what did you like? And
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then what did you not like about this Cowboys draft? After it was all
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said and done. Let's start with what you did like first. I love
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the Dallas traded down in the first round that made Thursday and had a lot
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of fun they entered. Obviously this draft really shy at a lot of positions,
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and I would say that that was, you know, majorly of their
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own doing, which was just a strange way to go about this whole thing,
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But so it was it was essential to them to obviously pick up as
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much capital as they could. They obviously didn't have a fourth round draft pick
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because of the trade Lance trade, and so to get that extra third to
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get Detroit to overpay was just wonderful, and especially you know, with the
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benefit of hindsight knowing that they got Cooper bb there to obviously pair with Tyler
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guid In. As far as new players along their offensive line, I'm extraordinarily
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thrilled with that. I think they took for the most part, the right
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you know, they threw the right darts on Day three. If if I
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had to quibble, it would be with the fact that they didn't come away
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with a running back, and I can't believe that. You know, we're
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at this day and age in the NFL, we're upset about a lack of
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resources spent at the running back position. But given that they I think what
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really bothers me is that it seems obvious that they're their whole strategy was that
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Zekelly would be returning, so they didn't need to spend a pick on a
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running back, and I just don't agree with that. And it's I hate
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disparaging Zeke's name because I obviously have enjoyed a lot of his all of his
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career, but that just doesn't seem like a good process to me. But
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it seems like they were hell bent on executing it no matter what. What
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do you think? From what I mean, you did talk about what you
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what you didn't like, though, but I think I think with this everything
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that I've read with the Dallas Cowboys draft, it really was basically an A
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A minus type of draft. When you look at those, you know,
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even day three picks, the possible ceiling for some of those gentlemen. Is
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there anybody that sticks out to you that US Eagles fans should really be keeping
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our eyes on, perhaps not necessarily this season, but within the within the
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coming years. I'm excited about Ryan Flornoy, who was their six round draft
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pick out of Southeast Missouri state wide receiver. You know, I know that
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Eagles fans just have to cope and refuse to acknowledge that Dak Prescott is their
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father. But but he has. You know, we talked about Ceedeelamb a
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little bit. Michael Gallup's now gone, obviously, Brandon Cooks is around,
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but and Jalen Tolbert has been really unimpressive through his two seasons in the NFL.
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There there is an opening, I think for somebody to kind of carve
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out as an offensive pass catcher. And we saw what Dak Prescott did with
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Jake Ferguson last year. Ryan Florinoy is a really fast player. I could
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see that hitting, you know, if you're if you're just trying to close
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your eyes and imagine things, and so that'd be certainly somebody that I would
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keep, you know, keep my eyes on from a distance. All Right.
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I don't want to make you keep talking about the Dallas Cowboys here because
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I you know, I've read some of your tweets over the over the course
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of these past few weeks, and it hasn't necessarily been happy, go lucky,
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you know, Rainbow's and lollipop. So we'll move on to the Washington
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Commanders here. Look, the Commanders you know, got their hopeful franchise quarterback
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the future in Jayden Daniels, who I actually believe is probably the best quarterback
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prospect from this draft class. They had five selections on day two, which
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is what any re building team should really want. Adam Peters, who came
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over from the forty nine Ers, appeared to have really nailed this first draft
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for the Commanders here. What were your thoughts on the Washington Commanders their draft?
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Did you like certain things not like certain things? Are we kind of
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overblowing you know? Again those five selections on day two? What are your
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thoughts here? RJ Well, the Jen Daniels pick. I think we kind
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of maybe misevaluate these like and I would say that's the case for like all
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the top consensus chock picks, just because we're so used to them, like
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we're so like there's such assumptions that once it becomes formal, it's just a
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matter of like, Okay, cool, Like I've dealt with this reality in
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my mind for a month right now. You know it's not new information to
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me, but you know this isn't about Jayden specifically. But what I've really
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been impressed by is how I think a lot of teams tend to It takes
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that first year of a quarterback on a rookie contract until they really start building
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around them and really trying to capitalize on that. And I really respect the
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commanders have said, no, we're going to treat year one as part of
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the years to take advantage of. And so did they overpay a lot of
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players in free agency? Absolutely, but you're in a position where you can
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overpay players, so who cares. But as awesome as Jane Daniels is that
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Johnny Newton pick is probably the most terrifying thing I joked about Dak Prescott.
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If there is one sector of the NFC East that has given him trouble over
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the years, it is the interior of Washington's defensive line and Dearn Payin and
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obviously kind of that that heyday. So for them to kind of go back
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to that well and for dan Quinn to be the one calm the shots now
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defensively is a bit unnerving for me. So I am I'm pretty bummed.
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I mean, I really, if I had to throw out like a weird
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prediction for twenty twenty four, it would probably be that Washington wins the NFC
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East, just because I could see Dallas and Philly both regressing a bit for
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different reasons, in Washington just kind of being the benefit of that. So
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I'm I'm really nervous about the future. I'm nervous that they're I'm it's a
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weird thing because I'm very happy for their fans, because I don't want to
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speak for you, but it's not it hasn't been enjoyable that they've just been
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this like joke of a franchise in the division, and so I am happy
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that there is some legitimacy to them now, but I'm also bothered that these
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are now two difficult games of the Cowboys, and they were walks in the
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park for so long exactly. It bothers me, You're absolutely correct. It
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bothers me how terrible of an organization that the Washington Commanders have been for a
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very very long time. Same with the New York Giants. So we're going
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to get into in just a second here. And the fact that it seems
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the NFC East is just about the Eagles, just about the Cowboys. I
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like, as a football fan two see competition when you get down into the
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weeds and you say these games are going to be a little bit tougher.
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As you were just referencing RJ. You know, we want to see the
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easier games. We want to see our teams play the easier games. But
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at the end of the day, we love football. We love that competition.
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And it's kind of nice to see the Washington Commanders where they are at
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right now on this upswing. I'm not sure I'm with you necessarily on them
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perhaps taking the NFC East. I don't know. I want to see what
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happens here with this Dallas Cowboys team and with the Eagles as well. As
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we're moving along here during this off season, and my gosh, we have
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so much time even until training camp starts here. So but I did reference
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New York Giants here, and let's get into them next. They had a
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very interesting draft as well. You talked about Leak Nabbers. He was a
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top wide receiver prospect, and they appear to have added a few other potential
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starters for a team that is desperately needing some talent, including tight end Theo
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Johnson and safety Tyler Neuban uh one of the top safeties in this draft as
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well. So when you look at what kind of team and organization the Giants
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have been in recent years and reflecting on you know, the guys that they
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acquired through this draft, where did they get it right or wrong in the
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draft this year? In your opinion, I think that that ultimately comes down
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to how good of an NFL player JJ McCarthy is, right, like,
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this is this is the you passed on JJ McCarthy draft, and that's a
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good or a bad decision for you. And if you know, it feels
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somewhat reminiscent. And Melik is awesome, I mean to be clear, and
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I'm you know, upset about him winding up at the nfcast. But do
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I in any way wish that Washington had drafted Justin Herbert over Chase Young way
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back when no, you know what I mean? That worked out wonderfully and
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so this this has shades of that for me, whether or not, I
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don't. I don't think anybody believes J McCarthy has the potential to be Justin
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Herbert, but if he's a competent franchise quarterback, I mean, I don't
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think any of us think that Daniel Jones is for the Giants beyond twenty twenty
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four. So I mean, honestly, what would be truly hilarious because you
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and I don't mean to make every team's you know, kind of discussion about
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the Cowboys, but you mentioned my tweets and how down I am on them.
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I'm so down on the Cowboys that I kind of want them punished for
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their for their you know, idiocy. And it would be so funny if
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they messed around with this Dak thing and let him hit free agency and the
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Giants threw the bag at him next year and all of a sudden, Dak's
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walking into Jalen High at the leak whatever else they've got going on, I
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mean, and they had to kind of live with that, you know,
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twice a year for the foreseeable future. And I don't know that the Giants
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are necessarily planning on that. I respect that they have some conviction in not
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choosing JJ McCarthy and not forcing a quarterback the way they did with Daniel Jones.
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But I mean they are definitely I think among the primary lurkers, you
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know, next offseason for you know whoever, the would be quarterbacks that hits
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free agency es at the top of the draft. I didn't plan on asking
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you about this, but we're talking about quarterbacks like Daniel Jones. We're talking
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about quarterbacks that are just put into impossible situations from an NFL standpoint, trying
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to learn the league, understand the culture, and a plethora of issues that
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come with that. And you know, you take a look at a guy
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like Michael Pennix who is drafted by Atlanta, but yes, Kirk Cousins is
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down there. Penix is not going to be starting this season. It's not
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going to happen. And I want, I really do wonder if that's the
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way that NFL franchises really need to go. Yes, there is a win
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now type of mentality. We get that, I mean, because there's economics
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behind that as well. But I think that stymy's in the end and from
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the long term, various franchises and teams into putting good products on the field,
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and putting good quarterbacks on the field arguably the most important position in sports.
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And I wonder if the Atlanta Falcons are actually doing it well, Teams
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like the New York Giants are not doing it well. Caleb Williams is going
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to be starting in Chicago. JJ McCarthy is going to be starting up up
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in Minnesota. I just I don't know if taking rookies right out of the
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gate and saying, okay, now the team is riding on you is the
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best strategy. I don't know what are your thoughts on this. I mean,
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I think that you know, this like subject is so fascinating because it's
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so difficult to get everyone to agree on anything. To use Dak Prescott as
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an example, his rookie year, he obviously had an enormous amount of success,
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but he came into a situation where the roster was really in a good
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place. Yeah, and certainly where the offensive line was in a tremendous place.
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And to use Jalen Hurts as an example, I know he didn't play
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a ton as a rookie, but obviously his you know, and even that
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first full season in twenty one one wasn't that impressive. But even as a
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young player in twenty two, the roster was in such a tremendous place that
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it really helped him. I mean, Patrick Mahomes is amazing. He sat
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for a year, but even his first season, I mean, they had
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Tyreek Kell and Travis Kelcey, and obviously life is a lot easier. And
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so I look at you know, everyone who we mentioned or who you've kind
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of thrown out. JJ McCarthy has Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, Kayleb Williams,
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obviously everybody's talking about the situation he's walking into. Jayden Daniels has Terry
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Mclaw and Johan Dotson. I mean, like, I think that a rookie
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quarterback in New York might have been swimming the most upstream, while I like
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Jalen Hyatt. You know, that's a Moleikleist world. Obviously, if you
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take JJ McCarthy, I mean, it makes sense in wanting to prepare some
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sort of soft landing for them. Yeah, and the Michael Pennock situation is,
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you know, incredibly different and unique in its own way. But I
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think that's you know, if we learned anything from Bryce Young, it's probably
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that you know, going to a team where somebody like Adam Feelin is your
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primary pass catcher, isn't going to set you up for success, and you
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you have to do everything you can to again just create the soft off this
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landing spot the most runway possible, and I don't think that New York is
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there and maybe they understood that, and if they did, then kudos to
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them. But you know, a lot of Giants fans are going pretty impatient,
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obviously with their lack of playoff success. Well I say that, I
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mean obviously understanding they want a game, but I don't know if that game
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really kind of like nobody really ever talks about it or cares about it.
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It's just a weird, random week in in NFL history. It's just it's
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there. They were able to mark a checkbox, you know, you know,
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they checked it off their their list basically. So again, folks were
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talking r Jocho from blogging Theboys dot Com at r Jochow on Twitter. Are
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you on threads as well, buddy? Yeah? A thread? Yeah,
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yep, all right, I'm pretty sure. I fay you. I get
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on I get on threads every day, but it's like it's just not the
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same. It's just not the same, RJ. I think that everyone feels
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that way, but a lot most people have a difficult time acknowledge of that.
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Yes, you know, we'll see you know what it else into the
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yields exactly. All right. Finally here before I let you go, buddy,
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the Philadelphia Eagles, they addressed the secondary again. As I mentioned with
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Quinjon Mitchell, Cooper, de Jean Jeremiah Trotter Junior is going to be fun
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for some fans in the Eagles marketing department. Uh, you know, we
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all have some nostalgia when it comes to his dad that there are some high
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ceiling prospects who were drafted to this Eagles team as well. But I'm wondering
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what are your overall thoughts on the Eagles draft classes? Were closing up our
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discussion here honestly, and I appreciate you inviting me on to talk about the
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draft. But my biggest, you know, annoyance with the Eagles right now
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is that they took care of the DeVonta Smith deal and the Aged Bron extension,
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and that they beat you know, all the other wide receivers across the
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league and their pending contract situations. And that's you know, I know that
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we're in this weird week where there's this high Roseman discourse where people are saying,
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you know, and I think I agree that he's over praised. He's
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just really aggressive, I think so tool to be honest with you there,
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I mean, like it's not like cutting dry black and white one way or
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the other. He is where he like. There are there are picks that
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hit, like Jordan Mylatta in the seventh round, and there are picks that
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absolutely stink. And go back a couple of years is talking to our friend
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OJ Spivey from the Philly Tribune about j Von Taylor, a third round pick.
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It was that that that that that project type of player didn't work out.
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There's a lot that didn't work out, and there are some that certainly
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did totally. And I think that if I respect anything about how he is,
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that he will he will just swing no matter what. And I would
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much rather live and die, you know that way, and just kind of
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accept the consequences then, you know, then just wait for fate to smile
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upon you. And so all the trades were really great and it does what
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I and maybe I think again as a result of his reputation, that maybe
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we give how he credit for things that aren't actually true. I don't know
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if the Eagles will be penalized obviously for the tampering situation. I hope that
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they are with all of my heart, but I don't know if there's loading
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up on draft capital and anticipation of that, right like, And I think
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I believe he thinks about those things, and I believe that he acts based
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on hypotheticals, and maybe he overthinks, and therefore, you know, takes
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Jalen Reger over Justin Jefferson, you know, and whatever. But again I
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would live and die by that all day long, as opposed to most other
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methodologies. And so yeah, he generally achieves tremendous value. And I think
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that, you know, it is funny that he didn't have to do anything
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and the quinion Mitchell fell all the way and some of again, some of
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it is he's just extraordinarily lucky, but a lot of teams are extraordinarily lucky.
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And the Cooper Degene Pick I love, you know, I love always
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being in a position where you're not afraid to move or jump or whatever the
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case may be. And so I'm not I'm not like fearful of anything the
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way I was, you know, I don't. I mean again, the
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way that the aj Brown extension bothers me. But this he keeps the floor
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high, and this was just another kind of you know, swift mode of
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action to keep the floor high, to keep the factory running, to keep
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you know, production coming out. And he's he's really, really really great
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at that. And that does bother me, and that does annoy an me
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great. Well again, folks, Rjohoa from Blogintheboys dot com And where can
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they find you over on YouTube? So yeah, if you just search blogging
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Oh so we'll see about that. We'll see about that. RJ.
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It was great talking to your body. Seriously, you are always so great
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to take the time to jump with the PSD podcast show with us here.
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I'd love to talk to you down the road, come back and join us,
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my friend. Of course, I do want to say Jeff that I
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appreciate in the hanging behind you with all the NFL team logos that the Cowboys
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are first in line for the NFC East. I hope that that bothers you
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every time you look at it. Well, now it's gonna thanks buddy,
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Thanks, appreciate it right. Take care, buddy. That's going to do
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