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Reverse Aging, Acne & Gray Hair—No Botox Needed! Nutritionist Maria Marlowe's Food Secrets · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
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  Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
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  Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
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  Speaker 1: Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come
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  Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
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  Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
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  Speaker 1: And who says?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 1: Come curious, dig deep, and join the conversation. It's time
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  Speaker 1: to question everything. Can you believe it's already summer? I can't,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to mark summer with one goal that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have to do with work. So I decided to
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  Speaker 1: learn how to kiteboard. I found like a camp or
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  Speaker 1: a school, an adult one forty minutes or sixty minutes
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  Speaker 1: away from me, So I signed up. I'm gonna do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll report back. I'm wondering if you all have any
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  Speaker 1: summer goals. I'd be super curious, and also maybe if
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  Speaker 1: you DM them to me, we can inspire each other. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're going to feel inspired by today's episode.
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  Speaker 1: I know I did. It's all about our skin. Our
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  Speaker 1: skin is always talking to us, but most of us
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  Speaker 1: were never taught how to listen. We've been sold a
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  Speaker 1: ten step skincare routine and lasers and peels and injectables,
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  Speaker 1: But what if we're missing the point. Our guest today
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  Speaker 1: is Maria Marlowe. After healing her own acne with food
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  Speaker 1: in three months after years of struggle, she became the
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  Speaker 1: first nutritionist to specialize in acne, and then she built
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  Speaker 1: a science backed wellness practice, launched a supplement company, and
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  Speaker 1: now helps people worldwide understand how our gut, skin and
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  Speaker 1: mental health are deeply connected. Work is rooted in one belief,
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  Speaker 1: our skin is talking to us. I obviously had a
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  Speaker 1: million questions for her, so we got into it all.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about the myth of skin types, the truth
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  Speaker 1: behind hormonal acme, how she reversed her gray hair, which
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  Speaker 1: she did, I saw it with my own eyes, and
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  Speaker 1: why if you want to age well, she actually doesn't
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  Speaker 1: think you should start with botox. Instead, you should start
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  Speaker 1: with your blood sugar. And while I'm all for using
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  Speaker 1: medicine when it's needed, I love Maria's ethos of asking
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  Speaker 1: what is your skin trying to tell you? I obviously
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  Speaker 1: had to ask her what my skin was trying to
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  Speaker 1: tell me. I've been dealing with two things that she
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  Speaker 1: helps me with in real time. So today we are
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  Speaker 1: exploring our skin as a mirror not just of beauty,
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  Speaker 1: but of imbalance, of inflammation and stress and healing. This
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  Speaker 1: isn't about perfection or shame. It's about tuning in because
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  Speaker 1: Maria thinks that healing your skin might not just make
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  Speaker 1: your face glow, it might change your life. So the
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  Speaker 1: question we're circling today is what if the answers to
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  Speaker 1: our ezema, our pimples, our roseatia, and even achieving glowing
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  Speaker 1: skin lies in our kitchen instead of our skincare cabinet.
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  Speaker 1: It's time to question everything with Maria Marlow. So I
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  Speaker 1: heard that you are the first nutritionist to specialize in acne. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well as far as I know, because when I
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  Speaker 2: started almost two decades ago, which is kind of crazy,
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  Speaker 2: nobody was even really talking about the connection between food
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  Speaker 2: and your skin. And in fact, when I had really
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  Speaker 2: bad acne and you'd go to the dermatologist, they would
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  Speaker 2: tell you not really, there's no connection between food and
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  Speaker 2: your skin. Yeah, And it wasn't until five years later
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  Speaker 2: of me trying all the conventional stuff of the drug
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  Speaker 2: store stuff, then the prescription medications and it not working.
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  Speaker 2: That I really started to question everything and say, why
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  Speaker 2: isn't the skincare working? Is there something wrong with me? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm doing everything I'm supposed to be doing and
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  Speaker 2: my skin is not clearing up. So that is what
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  Speaker 2: led me down this whole rabbit hole of nutrition for skin.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, surprisingly there is a small but mighty
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  Speaker 2: and growing body of evidence showing the connection. And interestingly,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, prior to like the nineteen seventies, diet
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  Speaker 2: was really thought of as the both the cause and
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  Speaker 2: the cure for acne. And even if you look, I
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  Speaker 2: like going into history. So when I'm interested in something,
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  Speaker 2: I go down the rabbit hole. And in doing research,
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  Speaker 2: I realized if you go to the original even dermatology textbooks,
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking like seventeen hundreds, eighteen hundreds, when they talk
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  Speaker 2: about acne, they're talking about food. And it wasn't really
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  Speaker 2: until the nineteen seventies that the whole food skin you know.
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  Speaker 1: Sa connection.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just fell out of favor in favor of pharmaceuticals,
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  Speaker 2: and so we've all kind of been, you know, thrown
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  Speaker 2: off the track. Because if you were born after that
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  Speaker 2: you never really came across that information. So yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: I just discovered there is this connection between what we
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  Speaker 2: eat and our skin health. I started experimenting, and after
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  Speaker 2: five years of breaking out like NonStop, my skin cleared
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  Speaker 2: up in three months. Three months, three months.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I need you to rewind a little bit because
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  Speaker 1: you're frustrated with your skin. Yeah, okay, And you're living
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  Speaker 1: in New York, right, yes, where there's like I've always heard,
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  Speaker 1: there's environmental aspect to skin. Potentially New York has a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fumes, it's hot in the summer. And how
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  Speaker 1: do you turn to these textbooks? What makes you think
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  Speaker 1: to look through history?
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  Speaker 2: So okay, how I got there first? I was actually
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  Speaker 2: in college and I was sitting there with a friend
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  Speaker 2: and probably complaining about my skin. And she grew up
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  Speaker 2: very differently than me, Like I grew up in New
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  Speaker 2: York Italian American family. We ate you know, Italian food,
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  Speaker 2: but we also ate a lot of fast food and
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  Speaker 2: frozen pizzas and all that kind of stuff. My mom
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  Speaker 2: didn't really like cooking. She sought more as a chore.
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  Speaker 2: So friend who grew up like all organic and like
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  Speaker 2: very differently a lot of whole real foods and she's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, your acne might be caused by what you're eating.
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  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, I'm sitting there having like two slices of pizza,
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  Speaker 2: chocolate chip cookies, and a Coca Cola And I was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's impossible. Like I've been to all of these dermatologists
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  Speaker 2: and not one of them have ever asked me what
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  Speaker 2: I'm eating. But I was so desperate at this time
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  Speaker 2: that I was willing to try anything. So she had
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  Speaker 2: recommended this one dermatologist who was talking about the skin
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  Speaker 2: and acne connection, and based on his work, that's where
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  Speaker 2: I started getting into it, and that was really my
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  Speaker 2: starting point.
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  Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah, and so for someone who has never dealt
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  Speaker 1: with acne, this may sound obvious, but can you explain
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  Speaker 1: what the struggle really is?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, It's more than just physical, right, because acne is
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  Speaker 2: on your face and that's how you show up every
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  Speaker 2: day every you know, everywhere, and it really takes a
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  Speaker 2: toll on your self confidence. So for me, it got
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  Speaker 2: to the point where I basically had a nervous breakdown
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  Speaker 2: because I was so frustrated that my skin was not
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  Speaker 2: clearing up. And what made it worse it was not
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  Speaker 2: just the acne. It was the fact that I was
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  Speaker 2: doing everything I was supposed to do. I'm very type A,
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  Speaker 2: so if I need to do something, i'll do I'll
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  Speaker 2: do it and I'll follow it to a t I
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  Speaker 2: was doing that it wasn't working, so I felt that
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  Speaker 2: like there was something wrong with me. Yeah, and it's
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  Speaker 2: as much as it's physical, it's also a mental struggle
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  Speaker 2: that's horrible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's popular on TikTok now. I think maybe because
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  Speaker 1: of alex Earl a little bit for women to show
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  Speaker 1: their acne and talk about the struggle. And it's the
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  Speaker 1: first time that I've really had a window into it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's for some people, it can be really debilitating,
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  Speaker 1: Like you don't want to leave the house, you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to go to parties, you don't want to go
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  Speaker 1: on dates. It's really tough.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And I found myself like shrinking in,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because you don't want to do that. I
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  Speaker 2: would skip school, I would skip eventsip skip things all
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  Speaker 2: the time because I didn't want people to see me.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't people see the mental struggle of it, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're hiding the closed doors, you know. So it's
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  Speaker 2: not always so obvious. I do think with social media,
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  Speaker 2: with people like Alex Earl sharing more, it's coming to
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  Speaker 2: light more and people are more open about it, which
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  Speaker 2: is fantastic because the reality is acne is very very
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  Speaker 2: common between like teens, it's ninety to ninety five percent
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  Speaker 2: get it at some point in the US, and even
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  Speaker 2: amongst adults it could be anywhere from like twenty to
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  Speaker 2: fifty percent, you know, based on the decade, twenty year old,
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirties and forties that have acne, So it's actually
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  Speaker 2: quite quite common.
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  Speaker 1: How much of acne cannot be cured by.
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  Speaker 2: Food from what I've seen, like very very little, like
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  Speaker 2: none of it practically, I mean, acne is very much
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  Speaker 2: a disease of Western civilization. Okay, so the statistics I
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  Speaker 2: just told you like ninety to ninety five percent of
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  Speaker 2: teens and say twenty to fifty percent of adults depending
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  Speaker 2: on the decade. If you go to other countries, it's
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  Speaker 2: like nothing, it's miniscul And even if you look historically
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  Speaker 2: throughout the US, our acne rates have just risen so dramatically.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example. There was two different
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  Speaker 2: studies in Egypt, so one was in a very rural
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  Speaker 2: part of Egypt, and they looked at the prevalence of
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  Speaker 2: skin diseases amongst teenagers and I think like maybe under
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  Speaker 2: twenty one or something like that, their rate of acne
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  Speaker 2: was two percent. It's like two point five percent, okay,
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  Speaker 2: amongst thousands of people living in this way, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: But if you went to one of the major cities, Cairo,
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  Speaker 2: where they do have access to processed foods and probably
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  Speaker 2: a more stressful lifestyle, it was more like sixty five percent, right,
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  Speaker 2: So it's not like a genetic thing. It's diet and
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  Speaker 2: lifestyle thing. And even there's been studies where researchers have
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  Speaker 2: went to more remote parts of the world like Papua
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  Speaker 2: New Guinea and About Island, these small places where people
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  Speaker 2: really maintain a traditional diet of whole foods. They're eating
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  Speaker 2: vegetables and roots and fish and meat and that's it.
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  Speaker 2: They're not eating processed foods. It's non existent even amongst
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  Speaker 2: young people teens to adults. It's literally nonexistent.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not genetic.
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  Speaker 2: No, you know, we've been studying genes for how many
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  Speaker 2: decades and an acne gene has never been found. If
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  Speaker 2: there is a family that has acne. The parents have
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  Speaker 2: it and the children have it. It's more likely because
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  Speaker 2: they're eating the same foods and living a similar diet
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  Speaker 2: and lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, Okay, so you start reading these textbooks and
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  Speaker 1: you find this information about the link between food and
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  Speaker 1: your skin. Yep, when does the light bulb go off?
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  Speaker 1: What changes?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? So what happened? I actually didn't believe it at
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  Speaker 2: first because I was skeptical too. I was like, there's
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  Speaker 2: no way that food could actually clear your skin. I
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  Speaker 2: was very skeptical, but I was like, let me stick
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  Speaker 2: to the plan for three months or however long it takes.
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  Speaker 2: I stuck to it. Three months later, my skin is clear,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, no, like, this is impossible. This
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  Speaker 2: God must have answered my prayers. This is a miracle
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  Speaker 2: because there's no way it could have been food. So
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  Speaker 2: I went back to eating my pizza and Coca cola
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  Speaker 2: and chocolate chip cookies and all the that, and the
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  Speaker 2: next day my skin is broken out. So I could
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  Speaker 2: see it in the mirror and I was like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: it is actually the food. Yeah. So to see that
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  Speaker 2: difference in the mirror, like is wow. That's when the
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  Speaker 2: light bulb really went off, and that's why I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: food is so powerful, and that's what got me interested
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  Speaker 2: in studying nutrition, going back to school to learn about nutrition,
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  Speaker 2: and really just changing my career path.
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  Speaker 1: When I was a junior in high school, I went
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  Speaker 1: to Spain. I think I had i'd never been with
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  Speaker 1: my first time in Europe or anywhere like that. And
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  Speaker 1: the the girl that I was rooming with was like
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  Speaker 1: tall and model and cool. And I looked at her
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to be like you.
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  Speaker 1: And she smoked cigarettes, and so one night she was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: can you please try a cigarette? I'd never I was
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  Speaker 1: such a good ee two. Shoot, I've never tried a cigarette.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm in Spain. Tonight's the night.
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  Speaker 1: So we're out of our hotel windows smoking a cigarette.
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  Speaker 1: I wake up the next morning with a huge ZiT
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  Speaker 1: on my chin.
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  Speaker 2: And I looked at her and I was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, never again, never again. It's crazy. Yeah it really
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  Speaker 1: And that was good.
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  Speaker 2: That was good. That was your body helping you out.
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  Speaker 1: So you say that acne may seem like a curse,
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  Speaker 1: but it's actually a blessing. And I'm shocked to hear
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  Speaker 1: you say that, I don't know if anyone would believe you.
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  Speaker 1: What do What in the world do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, acne is definitely a blessing in disguise because it's
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  Speaker 2: on our face, so we want to get rid of it.
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  Speaker 2: Very few people are just like, Okay, let's let it ride. No,
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  Speaker 2: you want to figure out and get to the root
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  Speaker 2: of it. And so, like me, if you keep putting
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  Speaker 2: on the topical things and it doesn't work, you start
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  Speaker 2: to question things, right, and it will take you deeper.
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  Speaker 2: Because acne is a sign of inflammation and imbalance in
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  Speaker 2: the body. Yeah, and it does take a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of detective work to get there, but if you actually look,
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  Speaker 2: you will find what the imbalances is imbalances are and
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  Speaker 2: because those imbalances and inflammation can also cause other health
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  Speaker 2: conditions more serious than acne, it is a blessing in
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  Speaker 2: disguise because if you nip it in the body early
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  Speaker 2: and change your diet and lifestyle to clear your skin,
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  Speaker 2: you're also improving your immune system, your gut health, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your overall health.
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  Speaker 1: When you put it like that, I get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, because it is sort of like the first
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  Speaker 1: Domino exactly. So there's so much information about the gut
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  Speaker 1: these days, but there's a lot of supplements that make
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  Speaker 1: promises about your gut as well. In addition to acne,
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  Speaker 1: How might you know that your gut needs healing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, well, the obvious signs would be digestive issues,
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  Speaker 2: so things like floating gas, constipation, or diarrhea. If you're
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  Speaker 2: having those on a regular basis, you definitely want to
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  Speaker 2: do some gut testing and figure out what's going on
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  Speaker 2: there because it doesn't get better with age. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to just heal itself. Typically you want
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  Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on and put in a
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  Speaker 2: plan to fix that. So I would say that is
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  Speaker 2: those are the common ones. However, you could have gut dyspiosis,
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  Speaker 2: which is too few good bacteria and too many bad
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  Speaker 2: bacteria in the gut without necessarily having overt digestive signs.
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  Speaker 2: So if you had a chronic inflammatory skin condition like acne, soriasis,
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  Speaker 2: or roseaesia, that is typically a sign that your gut
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  Speaker 2: needs some help.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, okay, So everything that shows up in our skin,
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  Speaker 1: even rosation not acne, is an indication of something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, could be, Yes, they're very much gut related. The
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  Speaker 2: gut like, what does rosation mean? So roseesia actually has
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  Speaker 2: been found to be People who have roseesia are more
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  Speaker 2: likely to have something called CEBO, which is small intestinal
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  Speaker 2: bacterial overgrowth. And like for example, with psoriasis, people with
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  Speaker 2: psoriasis tend to have leaky gut or increased intestinal permeability.
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  Speaker 2: So these issues are creating inflammation and starting in the gut,
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  Speaker 2: but it ends up going through our body and showing
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  Speaker 2: up on our skin. How about ezema, So exima could
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  Speaker 2: also be gut related. Sometimes it's also topically like topical
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  Speaker 2: things can also irritate it. But eema can also just
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  Speaker 2: be gut dyspiosis as well. And leaky gut.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, and this sounds so silly, but what is
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  Speaker 1: leaky gut?
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  Speaker 2: So our gut is one cell thick, like the lining
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  Speaker 2: of our guts. So if you think of a tube,
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  Speaker 2: the outer edge of the tube, it's one cell thick,
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  Speaker 2: So all the cells are lined up next to each other,
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  Speaker 2: and there is basically a door between each cell. It's
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  Speaker 2: called a tight junction. And in a healthy gut, when
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  Speaker 2: we eat food, the food stays in our guts and
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  Speaker 2: just the nutrients are coming out into the bloodstream, right,
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  Speaker 2: The doors are opening for the nutrients to come out.
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  Speaker 2: When we have leaky guts, those doors are open, and
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  Speaker 2: so now other things can leak through them, like bacteria
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  Speaker 2: on digested food particles, toxins, things that are supposed to
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  Speaker 2: stay in the gut now make it to the bloodstream.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what's creating inflammation because the immune system is
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  Speaker 2: seeing it as an invader and attacking and creating that inflammation.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, So what do you look for when you're
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  Speaker 1: decided what supplement you're going to take?
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  Speaker 2: First, how it's made. I look for an NSF certified facility,
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  Speaker 2: which is the gold standard of supplement manufacturing, to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that what's in the model is what's on the label,
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  Speaker 2: and they also make sure there's no extra nasties in there.
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  Speaker 2: And secondly, I look for clinically validated ingredients. So the
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  Speaker 2: ingredients typically will have a little trademark or a registered
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  Speaker 2: trademark mark after it though that's a sign that the
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  Speaker 2: ingredient is actually clinically tested, and so we want to
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  Speaker 2: use clinically tested ingredients to make sure that we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get the benefit that we're looking for.
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  Speaker 1: And do you have a specific brand you like taking
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  Speaker 1: or that you trust.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there are a couple of brands that I like.
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  Speaker 2: I like Thorn and Pure Encapsulations. Those are really high
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  Speaker 2: quality supplements. And I actually have a supplement called glow Biome.
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  Speaker 2: That's also why I know a lot about all of this,
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  Speaker 2: which is a probiotic specifically for acne prone skin, again
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  Speaker 2: using clinically validated strains that support that gut skin connection.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen it.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of pseudoscience on tick. Yeah, and I've
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of there's a backlash against probiotics right now.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I felt a lot of benefits from probiotics. Yeah, so
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with TikTok. What's your take? Yeah, for sure.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I mean probiotics can really be life changing, and I
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: honestly think that probiotics are the future of skincare and
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: even healthcare. You know, pharmaceutical companies are now even really
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: studying probiotics and looking at them for various different therapeutic benefits.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Because the thing is, our bodies are mostly bacteria, right.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: We have a gut microbiome, we have an oral microbiome,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: a vaginal microbiome, we have a skin microbiome. Right, we're bacteria,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and you know, for a long time, Western medicine has
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: really focused on killing the bad bacteria, right, using antibiotics
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: for everything. But now we're realizing that it's better that
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: we support the good bacteria and let them basically crowd
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: out the bad bacteria. So it's really important, you know,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: for our immune health, for our gut health, for our
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: mental health. Science showing that the makeup of your gut
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: microbiome can actually influence things like depression and mood. We
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: know what it affects your immune system. We know what
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: affects acne. You know, there are studies that found, for example,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: with acne patients, they tend to lack certain Lactobacillus and
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Fifittobacteria strains in their gut. They tend to have low
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: bacterial diversity, they tend to have leaky gut, and simply
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: adding in the right strains can actually help to clear
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the skin from within.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like the question everybody asks you is what
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: about hormones.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hormones play a role in acne because hormones
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: control the supacious glands, right, which are your oil producing glands.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: So some people talk about having hormonal acne versus like
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: regular acne. Let's say, but hormones play a role in
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: all types of acne. Okay, here's the thing. If you
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: have hormonal imbalance or hormonal acne, your hormones are not
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: actually the issue. The issue is whatever is causing your
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: hormones to become unbalanced. Because our body likes to maintain homeostasis,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: meaning it likes to maintain balance, So not too much,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: not too little of anything, right, We're at the perfect
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the perfect balance. When our hormones are imbalanced, we need
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: to ask, like, how did that happen? Because our body
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: naturally wants to be balanced. How did it get off
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: balance our diet and our lifestyle. So with hormonal acne,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: let's talk about that. A lot of times it's stemming
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: from the gut. So this is actually a really big
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: link between constipation and acne. There's been several studies that
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: have found that people with acne are more likely to
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: be constipated. Here's where the hormones come in. The way
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: that we excrete excess hormones is through this tool. So
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: if we are constipated, those excess hormones can actually get
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: reabsorbed back into the bloodstream contributing to imbalance. So that's
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: just one way that our gut is actually involved with
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: our hormone balance. What's considered constipated, so anything less than
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: once a day. But if if you are going once
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: a day and not fully emptying, you could still technically
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: be constipated.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I've been constipated my whole life.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: No, okay, we've got to help you out. Well, your
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: skin looks great, so that ain't you. I've never dealt
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: with acne, but that's amazing. Yeah. And that's what's interesting
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: is it's never the same thing for everybody across the board.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: There's so many different factors at plan. But I will say,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: just getting back to the hormone thing, don't worry. I'm
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: going to help you out. Set you up with a plan.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Not having enough fiber that can also cause imbalances.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's my problem.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that could definitely be a problem. So not
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: having enough fiber or eating too much sugar or too
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: much refined carbohydrates that can also cause hormonal imbalances. Got it? Yeah?
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Wow, if you had to prescribe a grocery list instead
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: of a medicine cabinet, what would be on it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I love that this is exactly what I do. So okay, First,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: plenty of fiber rich fruits and vegetables. These are super
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: important for so many reasons. First, they're full of antioxidants,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: They are full of phyto nutrients, vitamins, minerals, fiber which
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: is really good for regularity, which is key to clear skin.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: And they are like in particular, the dark leafed greens
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: and the orange vegetables are really good for acne prone
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: skin because they contain carotenoids, which are the orange pigments,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: like a bit of caroteine, and our body converts that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: to vitamin A. It's really helpful for skin cell turnover
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and it helps to prevent clod pores. So that would
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: be at the top of the list. Omega three rich foods,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: so that includes things like wild salmon, anchovy, sardines, et cetera,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: like cold cold water, like fatty fish. These are really
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: great for supplying omega three, which is anti inflammatory in
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the body. And omega three is also a very common
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: deficiency for acne patients, so those are great. I would
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: say fermented foods, things like sauer kraut, kimchi pickles, These
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: are a natural source of probiotics and prebiotics, So having
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: about an owl of those a day can be really helpful.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: In the event someone is not consuming them on the regular,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: then taking a probiotic supplement I think is really helpful.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I will say that not everybody likes the taste of
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the fermented foods, but so you can try different ones
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: to see what you like. Flax Seed. Flax seed is amazing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I think that's what I need to add in.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, flax seed is super simple, just one tablespoon a day.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: You can add it to just about anything. You could
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: put it on salads, smoothies, oatmeal, you can even use
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: it as a breading. Sometimes I mix it with spices
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: to make like chicken fingers and things like that a
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: healthy version. And that's another source of omega three and fiber.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Your family is very lucky to have you. The cooking
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: is a one.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they think that. Yes, my husband,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: he's very into the healthy eating. Yeah, my baby eats
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: so healthy. Everyone's amazed when I share, like what my
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: baby's eating, They're like wow. But like my parents and stuff,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: when I come over, they're like, oh.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Well, different generation. Yeah, you had like a very cool
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: education based on all of your skin issues. Yeah, what
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: foods do you think we should be adding into our
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: diet to help our skin?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so definitely things like carrots, sweet potato, butternut squash.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Those are some of my favorite orange veggies for that
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: beta carotene. I also have cod liver oil. Cod liver
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: oil is a good source of omega three, vitamin A
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and vitamin D really important for skin. Wild salmon, anchhoby, sardines,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: any of those omega three rich foods are going to
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: be great for us. Okay, black seed, chia seed, hempseed, walnuts,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: plat based sources of omega threes okay, and fruit food
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: is actually amazing. It's also great for preventing premature aging
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: of the skin because we need that vitamin C to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: produce collagen.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: So I learned that people with acne are more likely
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to be deficient of certain nutrients. What are those?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Vitamin A, omega three, and zinc are probably the most
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: most common.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, okay, what about when you're in the middle
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of a full blown breakout? Yeah, what can you do
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: in your diet to course correct quickly?
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Okay? Flax seed have the flax seed that is just
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: such a game changer. You can see the difference, I'm
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: telling you, within a few days because it's so powerful
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: with the domega threes and the fiber for the digestion.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So just add a tablespoon of that, you know, once
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a day for a couple of days, that will really help.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, I'm so glad you told me that I
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: would have not guessed.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also a wild salmon. So if I was
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: breaking out, like if I had a crazy breakout right now,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I would be having flax seed, I would be having
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: wild salmon. I'd be having spices like turmeric, ginger, ginger,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: lemon tea something like that. I actually have this three
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: day clear skin starter kit on my website, is just
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: a free download and it has like three days or breakfast, lunch,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: and dinner. And I'm telling you, like the before and afters,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: it really makes a huge difference when you eat anti inflammatory,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: nutrient dense foods.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: That's really cool.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You know, hearing you talk a little bit more, I
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: now understand what you mean by the blessing, and it's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: more of a blessing than it is a curse. Yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: because all the foods you're talking about are foods that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: are important for other reasons besides our skin.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: You're so right, what do you think our mental state
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: has to do with our skin?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Stress can break us out? It's actually been shown, there's
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: been plenty of studies that have shown that mental stress. Yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: any sort of negative emotions or thoughts can actually cause breakouts.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And the way that it does it is through the gut.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: So the negative emotions can actually wipe out some of
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: those good bacteria in the gut, which allows the bad
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: bacteria to increase and create inflammation and can show up
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: as breakouts on our skin.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Can anxiety be a symptom of gut issues?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it can for sure. Yeah, any sort of mood disorder, anxiety,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: depression can be a sign of gut issues. And again
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: you're starting to see, you know, different probiotic strains being
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: tested specifically for mental health issues, and there are strains
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that are goods typically for mood.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I remember I went on a bike ride
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: with one of my friends. We were biking hard, it
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: was like for exercise, and in the middle I had
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to stop and I said, I'm sorry, I feel like
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I'm having a panic attack on the bike. I don't
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: know what's happening. Yeah, And she's a nutritionist, she's a
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: dietician as well, and she was like, did you eat
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: this morning? And I was like, actually, no, I think
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I forgot to eat because we biked early. And she
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, anxiety can actually like it can
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: show up. Oh, she said, hunger can show up as
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the same symptoms as anxiety, Like you could just be hungry. Yeah,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And so when I think about like our skin, I'm like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: maybe anxiety isn't really the thing. Maybe we're hungry for
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: certain nutrients.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Like nutrient nutrient deficient. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And there's also
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: like things with blood sugar imbalances. So when it comes
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to food, there are a few different ways that it
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: affects our skins. So nutrient deficiencies, you know, what we're
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: not eating can be a problem we are eating. If
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: there's pro inflammatory foods, that could be a problem. So
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: things like sugar or vegetable oils, anything that's disrupting our
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: gut can be a problem. And blood sugar and balances,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: So if we're eating too much sugar and our blood
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: sugar is on a roller coaster, that's also going to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: show up on our skin.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, So what do you do when you're like, I'm
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: gonna have a cheat day. I want to have a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: slice of pizza or a burger and fries or whatever
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: it is. Is there anything that you do before or
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: after to sort of balance it out. Yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: So I don't believe in restriction. My thing is more
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: about what we add in. And so for me, the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: majority of the time, I'm eating a healthy, whole food,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: nutrient dense diet, like let's say ninety to ninety five
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: percent of the time. That other five to ten percent
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of the time, if I want to eat French fries,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: if I want to eat this or that, whatever it is,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I just do it and I have no guilt about it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I think the not having guilt is the biggest piece
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: of the puzzle, because you can just drive yourself crazy,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and the stress of eating something that you're not supposed
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to have is more damaging, I think than the food itself.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: So I think that's one thing that I do. The
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: second thing I would say, if I want something sweet,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I would instead of having it as a snack in
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the middle of the day, I would have it as
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: dessert because it's important to have protein and fiber before
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: we eat sweet things to keep our blood sugar more stable.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: So that's a little easy hack.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: That's a good tip. Yeah, Okay, I have two skin
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: issues that I want to ask you about. Okay, I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: think one is more comple Actually they're both kind of complicated.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Okay. The first is my entire life. On the back
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: of my arms, I've had carotosis. Is that what it's called? Yeah,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: carotosis polaris, carotosis polaris, and every dermatologist will give me
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: some cream that doesn't work. Yeah, is this a gut issue?
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: This could very well be a lack of vitamin A. Wow,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So that's like commonly called like chicken skin, those bumps
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: on the back of the arm, that can actually be
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: a sign of low vitamin A. So you could go
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: get your vitamin A levels tested. So, vitamin A is
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: not actually in many foods. It's primarily found in liver
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: and organ meats, which most people are not eating on
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a regular basis, if at all. And it's found in
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: those green and orange vegetables as beta carotene or crotenoids,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: which the body converts into vitamin AH. So if you're
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: not eating these foods on a regular basis and insufficient amounts,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you're probably low vitamin A. Interesting, and it's very easy
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: to just get a blood test to see if you are.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: And then I always advise food first, ideally, so incorporating
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: more of those foods into your diet. That's why I
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: also like cod liver oil because it's to me, it's
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: more palatable than having liver, so it's an easier way
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: to get the vitamin A in. I will say for
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: incorporating more liver and organ meats into the diet, which
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: they are very nutrient dense, but I know the taste
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and the idea of them could be a bit off putting.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: You can get blends where it's about eighty percent regular
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: meats muscle meat, and then ten or twenty percent the
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: organ meat, and you can put them into burgers or
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: whatever you're making boloniets and you don't taste them. Cool.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't have to just hold my nose
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and down the oil, which is something I would do.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I do. I just don't breathe and yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I have some lemon water right after, and it's really
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: not that bad.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: That's what I would do. I'm like, just let me
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: get it over it. Yeah, that's really interesting. I've had
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: it my whole life. It got better as I got older. Okay,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: but my best friend from college has it too, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: we always talk. We're like, how are your bumpies today?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you have to like let me know in
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: a month or two how it goes.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I'll do it before and after photo. Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Here's the other thing that just popped up and it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: freaking me out.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm really good about the sun. I wear sunscreen hats,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: like I don't sit in the sun. I have it
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, And all of a sudden I woke
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: up and I had what looked like sun spots right
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: here on the upper cheek yeah, as well as a
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: little bit on my forehead okay, going it was kind
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: of like a round spot right here for anybody listening,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: it kind of was like where Harry Potter's scar is, Okay.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: And I was so upset because I thought, I've been
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: so good about the sun. How could this just pop
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: up out of nowhere? And I went to go get
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a facial and my facialist is a little bit of
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a witch. She's amazing, and she was like, I don't
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: think this is sunspots because it's very even on your face.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: This looks like it's malasma, which is hormonal. Yeah. Is
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: there anything I can do? What is happening to my.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Face for a malasma? Yeah, that one's a little bit tougher.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: So that also sometimes happens with pregnancy, like hormonal shifts. Yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: So for malasma, I'm not an expert on that, I
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: will say, but I know typically what's recommended as not
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: doing heat like or sauna sometimes that could exacerbate it.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: But what I would recommend is have you tested for
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: hormonal any hormonal imbalances.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: So I made an appointment. I have it in two weeks, okay, So.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I would start there, figure out if and what the
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: imbalance is, and then try to rectify that. I'm always
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: very pro doing it through your diet and lifestyle because,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: like I mentioned earlier, when the hormones are imbalanced, it's
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: not because your body is just like, haha, just throwing
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: a monkey wrench. You know too, there's something to do.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Something in your dye and lifestyle is throwing it off.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: It could be you know, stressed, lack of sleep, whatever
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: it is. Trying to figure out what's causing it rectifying
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that and hopefully that helps and as doesnthn so asdaxentthin
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: is a very powerful antioxidant. It's found in like shrimp,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: for example, anything that has like that pinky orange color,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: while salmon has it. Also, it's a very very powerful
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: antioxidant that some people take specifically for a lightning any
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: sort of dark spots on the skin.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: That's good to know because I called a dermatologist and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: she said, you know, there's molasma medication I can prescribe you. Yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And I said, no, thanks, I'm going to hold off. Yeah,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it's not like it's not so bad yet. Yeah, I'm
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: going to try and fix it through my gut.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's a great idea.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I'll report back on that too. Report Okay, So if
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you grew up in the two thousands, you probably remember
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: our upset with skin types. Yeah, there was oily, there
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: was dry, there was combination. You say, all of this
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: is a total myth for sure. So we're all born
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: with normal skin. Everyone has normal skin, which can become
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: more or less oily or more or less dry depending
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: on the environment and our diet and lifestyle. So when
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: it comes to oily skin, for example, we know that
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: having too much sugar can actually create make our skin
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: create more sebum, more oil. So keeping our blood sugar
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: balance can actually bring your oil production back into balance. Wow.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then with dryness, if you have really dry
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: skin and you keep slathering on moisturizer and just your
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: skin is just steal dry, dry, dry, then you want
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: to check your nutrients, check your vitamin A, check your
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: own Mega three. Both of those can be at play.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I love that that's a myth. I've never heard about this.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Researching for your interview is what taught me. Face mapping,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: so you can determine where your break that what I'll
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: let you describe it. What is face mapping?
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Face mapping? It actually comes from traditional Chinese medicine, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the idea is that where your breakouts are on your
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: face is an indicator of the underlying root cause.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: So if it's on my chin, it's hormonal.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, So the chin, like the lower jaw area is hormonal,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like cheese, My cheek, cheeks could sometimes be hormonal. Forehead
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: could be more digestive.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: It's liver and kidney.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Actually here can be liver and kidney kind of your
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: chee cheek area. Yeah.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: And I used to get one like right on the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: tip of my nose, and that was something I forgot.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest, I know it's something too. I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: don't remember what it is on the top of my head.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: But what I'll say is this, whether it's hormonal or
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: digestive or liver and kidney like, it's it's there's that
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: digestion kind of like the layer down right, and food
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: plays a role in all that. So, like, let's talk
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: about the liver. Our modern diet and lifestyle well is
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: causing our livers to kind of go into overdrive, right,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: working to clear out all the toxins and the chemicals
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that we're exposed to in our personal care products and
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the pollution in our home, you know, cleaning stuff, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: we're just exposed to chemicals all the time. Maybe we're drinking,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: maybe we're eating processed foods, and the liver can become sluggish,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: especially if we're not eating the nutrients that our liver
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: needs to perform its process of detoxification. So cruciferous vegetables
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that includes things like broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, anything that has
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: that very sulfury smell. These are excellent for the liver.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Because they support Basically, they give your liver what it
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: needs to do its job. So if you feel like
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: your liver's a bit sluggish, you need a little helpless detoxification,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: then add some you know, one to two servings of
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: those a day, broccoli or cauliflower, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprouts,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: there's actually a whole list radishes, anything that has a
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: little bit of a bite.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: What skin products or skin care products do you think
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: we're overusing and under using?
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, so overusing? I think we use harsh skincare, like
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: too much, like acids and peels and you know, literally
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: peeling our skin off. I just don't think that's good. Right,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: If you think about a sunburn, what happens our skin
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: peels off. It's very bad for us. Right Do we
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: want to intentionally cause our skin to peel off? I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: know this is controversial, right, but I'm not an esthetician,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: But to me, I don't think that's the best way
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: to treat our skin. And personally because I also used
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: to do all that stuff and I found what works
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: for me is going more gentle and allowing the internal
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: stuff to actually do the heavy lifting.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: What skincare products are we over using and under using?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I think we're overusing harsh actives way too much. Things
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: that are like chemical peels, things that are peeling off
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: our skin. I don't think is a great way to
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: treat our skin.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Is that I'm aneuve? So is that like retinal hydroquonone tretonoen.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yes like the retinal's for example, or any even you know,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: sometimes you go to a spa and they'll do a
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: chemical peel like lacolic acids and stuff. Low doses is
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: probably okay, but sometimes when you do the higher doses,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: which really causes a lot of peeling. For me personally,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the best way to treat our skin.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: If you think about a sunburn, what happens, our skin
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: peels off. It's not a good thing. Intentionally causing our
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: skin to peel off. I don't think it's great. I
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: think when we treat our skin more gently and we
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: use more gentle products, it's actually better. We allow our
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: skin to do its job. And also I believe it
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: is important to allow our blood and our organs, like
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: our diet and lifestyle to do the heavy lifting from
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: the inside out.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Right and to give you those in everything you're saying
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: is our skin is indicating things. So if we're just
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: removing everything, we don't know what it's telling us. We're
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: not listening to the signals.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what I find happens and I think this
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: is like if you look out on social media, it's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: pretty evident we're using so much on our skin, but
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: our skin is actually getting worse. Right, It's more sensitive,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: it's more real active. It's because you're, you know, basically
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: blasting away the outer protection of your skin, right, the
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: skin barrier, and it's going to become more sensitive and
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: more red and irritated. So I think when we can
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: fortify that barrier, which interestingly, there is some science to
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: show that if you have a strong gut barrier, it
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: can actually help with a strong skin barrier as well.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: What is your skincare routine? Do you do any peels,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: any lasers?
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: No, My skincare routine is so basic and like very minimal. Okay,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: So I don't wash my face in the morning. I
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: think it's really important that we don't because as long
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: as you wash your face at night, there shouldn't be
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: anything on your face in the morning that needs to
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: be removed. At night at the end of the day,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: if I'm wearing makeup, which I don't always wear a makeup,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: but if I am, I'll use jojoba oil to just
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: take it off with some cotton pads. Then use a
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: gentle cleanser, like a probiotic cleanser or like a turmeric cleanser.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And then for a serum, I really like bacuccio. I
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: don't know if you've heard of this ingredient. So bikucioll
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: is a natural alternative to retinol. It's been shown in
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: studies to have similar properties in that it's good for
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: acne and it's good for anti aging, but without the irritation.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So retinols are notorious for being very irritating for the skin,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: and you have to tread very carefully and slowly to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: kind of get your skin used to using such a
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: harsh product product. But bakucioll you can get similar results
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: without cool yeah, without the side of X. So I
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: use that as a serum, and then I use a
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: light moisturizer like that has like mango butter in it. It's
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: it's really nice and that's it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And do you make the moisturizer you buy it?
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I don't I buy it. There's actually an estetician here
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: in La Brigitte Tulsen who makes She makes it. It's
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: called night Light, And honestly, this moisturizer is like amazing.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: So that's what I use. And then for me, like
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: my skincare routine is eating healthy, it's you know, taking
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: glow biome, you know probiotics, it's you know, exercising, it's meditating.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: All these things are I think the most powerful skin care.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: How much alcohol does it take to really recavoc on
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: your skin?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I have no idea, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I will say I think that with alcohol a little
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: bit here and there is totally fine. But alcohol is
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: dehydrating for the skin, which if you're drinking it once
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: in a while, no big deal. If you're drinking regularly
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: or excessively, then that dehydration can also actually cause extra
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: sebum to reproduced, so you could be dehydrated, but also oily.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: And it's a liver toxin, so it's making our liver
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: more sluggish, which is not a good thing. It could
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: also make our skin more red, more irritated. So what
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I would say is two to three drinks a week
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: or one to two drinks a day, two to three
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: times a week is good max a lot of drinks.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: It is a lot of drinks. But I would say,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: but people do more than that. Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is on those doctor office
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: sign forms that you do, like on your yearly checkups,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: like do you have five or six drinks a week?
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And that's basically alcoholism.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It's like I know a lot of people that have
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: five or six drinks a week for sure.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, what is our oral health? Does our oral
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: health play a role in our skin?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because our oral health actually out our mouth microbiome
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: actually affects our gut microbiome because imagine how many times
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: we're swallowing every day, right our food or just our saliva,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and the bacteria in our mouth are then going into
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: our guts. So having a healthy mouth microbiome is really important.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: So brushing, flossing, I also love oil pulling, which helps
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: to really clean in between your gums and in between
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: your teeth. It's really important. And there are even dental
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: probiotics now, which are like lozenges that you can suck
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: on that deposit the good bacteria in your mouth, which
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: helps to get rid of bad breath and really just
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: keep your mouth fresh. WHOA, yeah, it's super cool? Is
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: that next on your list of Yeah, it's really an exciting,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: fascinating area. And I always tell people because like sometimes
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: people are like, oh, they think waking up with bad
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: breath is just the way that it is, but it's
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: actually not. If you wake up with bad breath, there's
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: some guys in there, some bacteria in there that you
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: probably shouldn't have in there.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: That's an indication.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: That's an indication. So you want to introduce more of
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the good bacteria into your oral cavity and that will
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: actually help quite a bit. Cool. Yeah, what's a myth
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: that drives you crazy that pillowcases cause acne? I think
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. I understand why sometimes people can think that.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, if you're going to sleep with
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: clean skin and clean hair, there shouldn't be anything on
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: your pillowcase that's making you break out. So you don't
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: have to obsessively wash your pillowcase and you don't have
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: to change it every single day. If you have acne, Now,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: if you're wearing you know, if you have hairspray and
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: hair products in your hair and stuff, then yes, maybe
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: like smushing into that all night is not going to
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: be great. But generally, if if you go to bed
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: with clean hair, clean skin, your pillowcase is not breaking you.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I would think that our detergent would have more to
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: do with acne than our like hair or makeup.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to say. Also, it also depends if
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: you're sleeping on your back, then your face relation shouldn't
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: be coming into contact with the pillow at all. And
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: even if you're sleeping, if you're sleeping on the side
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and you do have acne on one side, then yes,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: maybe you want to look into what if what's on
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: the you know that side that you're you know that
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: you're breaking out on. But generally speaking, like I think
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: washing your pillowcase once a week is sufficient for most people.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: You don't have to because what happens is I think
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: people get so stressed about it and imagine having to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: have seven pillowcases or washing your pillowcase every single day
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: is very stressful. And I think again most of us
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: wash our face, or we should wash our face before
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: we go to bed, and if you have hair products
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: in your hair, just put on. They have those like
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: silk caps. Just put that on before you go to sleep.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: You're fine.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: So you so generously shared information about some of my
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: skin issues that I'm having. But I think there's some
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: others that people will be curious about. How can we
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: heal dark under eye circles?
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: So if you have dark under eye circles and you're
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: getting enough sleep, because not enough sleep can cause that,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: check your iron levels. Having low iron can actually cause
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: dark circles. How about stretch marks? So stretch marks could
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: be caused by not having enough collagen, you know, for
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: your body to you know, make the and stretch basically.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: So I was just pregnant, right, and I made sure
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: that I was having a lot of bone broth and
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: adequate protein every single day. So I gave my skin
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: the building blocks that it need to stretch and grow
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: and then shrink back. And no stretch marks. Really, And
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I will say, it's not like I'm immune to stretch marks,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: because I have stretch marks from being like a teenager,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: like early twenties or whatever. I have stretch marks from
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: then me too.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I have some of my boobs from when I woke
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: up one day and I was like, what in the world.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So make sure if your body is going through
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: any like periods of stretching, then you want to make
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: sure that you're having plenty of protein and really the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: building blocks for collagen production.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I hope to have children one day. I hope to
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: have a daughter, and when she's going through puberty, I'm
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: going to be feeding her so much bone broad and protein.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. Do you think that eating organic really makes a
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: big difference in our skin?
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I think organic is very very important, right because for
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: our overall health. Now, if someone can't afford everything organic,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's still better to eat the whole foods,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the fruits and the vegetables. Yeah, and it'll still be
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: good and shouldn't negatively impact us. I don't know that pesticides,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: there's no I think direct connection between let's say pesticides
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: and breaking out. However, having a lot of pesticide and
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: chemical covered food can take a toll on our liver,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: so and can you contribute to inflammation and other issues.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: So I would say eating organic is important.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: You did something wild. You reversed your gray hair with food. Yeah,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: how did you do this? Yeah?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: This is like mind blowing. Okay, So in the scientific literature,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: there are case studies and even there's at least one
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: clinical trial which looked at reversal of gray hair, and
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: those ones typically focus on stress. So we know that
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: during periods of stress, people tend to get more gray hair.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: But science has shown that periods of low stress, like
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: when you're on vacation, for example, can actually reverse hair.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: But here's what nobody's really talking about. High heavy metals
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: can also contribute to gray hair and a lack of minerals.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: So for me, what I did personally is I got
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: my mineral panel and my heavy metal panel, saw where
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: my imbalances were, and then worked to correct them by
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: adding in foods that helped to get rid of the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: heavy metals and adding in minerals, and that actually has
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: reversed several gray hairs on my head.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: You don't color your hair, No, you don't have any
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: grays that I see.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have a couple here. It's so interesting.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: For me, it's it's like acne in the sense that
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: premature great has many factors, and for each of us
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: those factors may be slightly different. So for me, I
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: think it was the metals and lack of certain minerals
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: like I was low and copper and adding those back
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: in helped. But it's also something with circulation, you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: like some of us get tight shoulders and things. This
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: actually can kind of like block circulation and blood flow here.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: So for me, I only have like gray hairs like
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: in a line like right here, hence why my part
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: is this way. But so doing scalp massage is actually
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: also really helpful. Or even now doing cosmetic acupuncture like
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: on your face and my scalp, it can.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Be How long did it take?
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I mean it'll take a couple of months because your
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: hair grows out slowly, but I mean I've been doing
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: this over a period of years. It's been a couple
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: of years now, and even like actually earlier this week,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I found a few more hairs that have you know,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: started turning back. So it's a slow process, but you
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: could do it.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, there are so many skincare trends that promise a
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: lot of things, So I want your thoughts on all
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: of these trends. Okay, snail musin worth the hype or
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: pass pass Korean skincare.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: It's good, but breed the ingredient list, like.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Do you need it? If you're eating proper things.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I think like they're very advanced, and I think they
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: do have a lot of gentle products, which is really nice.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: But I do still stand behind our diet and our lifestyle.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Are going to do the heavy lifting first our skin.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to interrupt this game to tell you that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons I wanted to interview you and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: why I appreciate your message so much, is I think
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: our country, specifically women are skincare obsessed. And when I
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: see the Sephora teens, yeah, they're going in for skincare
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: an eight and nine year olds. Yeah, it hurts my heart.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like I think it's like the next generation.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Of like death, like diet pills. They have skincare, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: it's like, you don't actually need any of this shifts.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: You don't, you don't, and they're starting earlier, and what
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: ends up happening They end up harming their skin barrier,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: making their skin more irritated and red, and then needing
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: more products to deal with the issues that they've created.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So what do you say to all of the dermatologists
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: and all of the skincare experts and the beauty editors
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: who really, I don't think that they're selling us a
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: bag of goods. I think they truly believe that these
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: ingredients and these products work. What do you say to that.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Look, we definitely need to wash our face and moisturize
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: because our skin is also coming into contact with pollutants.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: So the way I see it, skin has an outside
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: and inside. So yes, we just need a gentle cleanser,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: maybe a serum, and a moisturizer. Like it can be
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: really really basic skincare. Our skin is really coming from
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: what we're eating. From our blood, right, It's coming from
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: the inflammation levels in our body, It's coming from how
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: much you know protein. All of these things are affecting
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: our skin. So we do need topicals, but not to
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: the extent that we're being sold. And I think that
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: this whole idea of a ten step skincare it's just
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: this consumer culture where it's like more and more and
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: more and more and more, and we're doing shelfies where
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: we have hundreds of bottles in the bathroom. You know,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: it's just it's completely unnecessary. I think a good skincare
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: routine is just a handful of products that are tailored
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: to your skin and to your needs, that are gentle
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: ingredients and the rest is our diet lifestyle.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: May ask you how old you are, I'm thirty eight,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: so you have almost no signs of aging in your face.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Your skin is glowing. I just think you are a
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: testament to that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Oh thank you. Yeah, I mean I definitely am starting
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: signs of aging a little bit here. But you know
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: what's also great.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: For that, yeah, taping.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think another thing that drives me knots
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: is this whole preventative boatox and how we're telling young
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: people that they need to start doing botox and they're
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: twenty some of them doing it in their teens to
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: prevent wrinkles. So, first off, I think that we need
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: to get rid of this messaging that wrinkles are bad
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: or or not nice or not beautiful, because they actually
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: are and aging is such a beautiful thing. It is
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: such a blessing to be able to age, because not
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: everybody wakes up, you know, in the morning. If you
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: woke up and you're you're a day older, you're very lucky.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: So I think number one, we need to first of
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: all forget that messaging. And as like an aside, I
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: remember seeing a billboard with George Clooney on it, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: he had all of these wrinkles on his face. But
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: he was being celebrated, right, and he's sexy, and he's
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: as a sex symbol. Yeah, he's a sex symbol with
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: wrinkles on his face. But if there was a billboard
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: with a woman, You'll never see a billboard with a
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: woman with wrinkles on her face. Never. I've never seen
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: it in my life. Have you seen it?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate Loriel for doing this, but I've finally
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: seen I've seen them do it. They have Helen Mirren
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and Andy McDowell. Okay, I'm starting to see it from them,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: which I appreciate it.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Imagine it's twenty twenty five, you know that is happening.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: So I think that's number one, is we need to
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: change that messaging. And then secondly, yeah, so this idea
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: of preventative botox, I think it's just again creating the
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: subscription model, where then these people are becoming a reliant
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: on doing these things because it's actually making them look
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: older and so and yeah, I just feel like people
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: are scared of aging, and we shouldn't be scared of aging.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: We should embrace it and like, look, you know, ask
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: someone I'm thirty eight, Okay, I am starting to see
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: a little bit when I smile. Like sometimes I look
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: at pictures, I was like, oh, there's a little line
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: there now that wasn't before, and I think there are
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: You know, if someone wants to do something to make
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: them feel selves feel better and more confident, go for it.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: You know, there's no judgment or shame in doing that.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: I just think that if we want to do these things,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: the non toxic route is always beneficial from a health
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: perspective or optimal, I would say. And taping is something
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: that is super simple, super cheap. It's literally putting like
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: this Japanese tape like on your skin and it just
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: kind of relaxes the muscle and they actually just go
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: away like it's crazy. So you do it at night,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: do it at night, you do it overnight, and I'm
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: telling you, in a couple of days you see a difference.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: People do it on their foreheads or anywhere you have
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: like lines and sprinkles that can actually make it difference.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Can you do it in your jowel lines? Yeah you can,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: because that to me is the toughest place when I
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: see people do like botox, or filler around their jowels.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: It's the most obvious, like, yeah, you can kind of
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: get away with doing it on your forehead and nobody knows. Yeah,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: but the jowels are hard.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again there's no shame or judgment and doing
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the botox. I think we all need to do what
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: makes us feel good. But I think we're not being
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: told about the alternatives. We're not being told for example,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: like you know, if people always remark about my forehead
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: because I don't have any lines on my forehead and
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: for thirty eight, that's pretty good. But I believe that
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: is a testament to my diet and lifestyle, to keeping
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: my blood sugar stable, to having an anti accident rich
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: diet and nutree and rich diet, having bone broth and
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: plenty of protein. Right, But we're not telling people. We
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: should be telling the teenagers and the twenty year olds
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: eat this way and you won't need the botox. Right Yeah, Okay,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going to restart the game. Okay, So there are.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: So many skincare products that make a lot of promises.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I want to know your thoughts on all of these trends. Okay,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: snail musin worth the hype No. How about Korean skincare
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: M middling. Everyone's obsessed with saunas and red light therapy.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Do they actually help?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Guasha yes, ice rollers yeah, slugging m No, spray tans.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Are we playing with fire or is there a safe
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: way to do it?
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of spray tns. Why Well, it's
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: a chemical and that smell that you smell, that's like
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: very That spray tns smell is actually your your skin,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: like not burning, but dying your skin cells diy face
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: masks aka kitchen experiments. Depending what you're using to experiment,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: they could be great. I love honey, I love strawberries, fruits.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: They can can actually work. Honey's not going to break
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: you out. No, Honey's amazing. It's great for having.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Actually collagen powders.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I like collagen. It's good.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: You think even taking it orally helps.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: So yes. You know. There is this idea that any
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: type of protein that you eat, whether it's collagen powder
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: or a steak or a bean, your body's going to
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: break it down into the different amino acids and then
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: your body will then put them back together to create
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: collagen wherever it's needed. But there have actually been quite
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: a few studies on collagen supplements like collagen powders, and
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: they have found that it helps to reduce lines, fine lines,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: and wrinkles, and improve hydration and elasticity of the skin.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think collagen powder is helpful. Hyaluronic acid everything, No,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: not a fan? Okay, we have some rapid fire. A
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: food that you eat every day, flack seed. What's an
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: adult problem that nobody prepared you for as a kid
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Getting a baby to go to sleep. I don't know
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: why they don't just sleep naturally.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, this trend that you think more people should
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: know about out.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Sauna?
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Ooh interesting. I thought you were going to say face taping.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, actually I should say face taping. That's probably better
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: because I feel like people know about sauna.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: What's one tiny habit that changed your health way more
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: than you thought it would walking darly, a simple pleasure
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: you will never give up.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Dark chocolate.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: A book that you read that changed your life, something
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: you think everybody should read.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: So many good ones. I'll say Loving What Is by
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Byron Katy? Ooh you know that one?
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: It's interesting? No, because but Gabby Reese was on the
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: podcast and she shared a Byron Katy book. Okay, and
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I never heard of Byron Katy.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's really good. So loving what is helps you
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: shift your perspective on what you allow to stress you
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: out and what you don't. I love that. Yeah.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I had a I think she's a psychologist, doctor Ellen Langer.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: They call her the Mother of Mindfulness at Harvard.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I saw that interview.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Really she was amazing. Yeah, and she said something that
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: shifted my perspective on stress. She had her home burned down,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: and even then she used this phrase and she said,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: is it Is it a tragedy or an inconvenience? And
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: she was like, even my home burning down, which is
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: so traumatic and awful, is really just a big inconvenience.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Like the only thing that's a tragedy is your health,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so true. Yeah, and it's amazing, Like it actually
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: gives me chills because it shifts your whole life. Like
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I read that book probably fifteen twenty years ago, and
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: still it's like the message resonates with me and whenever
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I find myself getting flustered or you know, upset over something,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I just realized it's all small stuff. Yeah, you know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: so great, Thank you.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read that. What's something that every woman
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: should try once?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: That's something I want every woman should try once.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Whatever first came to your mind. Don't give us the
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: second thought.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I'm okay, something I should try
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: traveling solo.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Love that, Okay, grab the question everything card game, okay,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: and please pick whichever card calls to you.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just like, yeah, yeah, pick and I read
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: the cards and see okay.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you can't read that.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: It's like okay, bye, okay, okay. What is the best
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: advice someone has given you? And why? Okay?
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Mmmm?
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: The best advice someone has given me is to whatever
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: you want to charge someone ten exit and you know,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: and that's it, and just ten excent and you will
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: be surprised at what happens.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah. Rebecca Minkoff said, say a number
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: that makes you want to throw up, and I never forgot.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: That same same principle.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Maria, thank you. I really really enjoyed this. I
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: have to tell you, sometimes science stuff is hard for
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: me because I don't get it right away. And you're
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: an excellent science communicator. You're so great at what you do.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you so much. I'm so happy
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: to be here. And I love that you question everything
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: because I feel like I'm someone who questions everything. So
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: you just made this conversation like very seamless.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Thanks. Thanks for saying that you do. You question the
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: status quo of what is. That's why they really wanted
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: to have you on.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good day.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: To have a good day. I'll see you next week.