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Murder In Moscow: Social Media, Lawsuits And The Murders in Moscow · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the program.
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  Speaker 2: Ever since the murders took place in Moscow, there has
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  Speaker 2: been a ever-growing number of crazy people, let's just call
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  Speaker 2: them what they are, who have tried to insert themselves
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  Speaker 2: into this case. And for the most part, these kinds
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  Speaker 2: of people, they have not faced any sort of repercussions
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  Speaker 2: for their nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: But can they?
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  Speaker 2: In this article from Fox News, we're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the jeopardy that some of these people might face
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  Speaker 2: who are out here calling people by their government name
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  Speaker 2: and talking about how this one's a murderer or that
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  Speaker 2: one's a murderer without any evidence to back any of
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  Speaker 2: that up. So let's get to this article from Fox
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  Speaker 2: News and let's see what they have to say. Headline,
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  Speaker 2: Idaho murders. Can social media sleuths be sued for wrongful accusations?
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  Speaker 2: social media users who are publicly spreading rumors about innocent
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  Speaker 2: people in the Idaho murder case could face legal action.
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  Speaker 2: And I can tell you that one person is already
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  Speaker 2: facing legal action. One of these people from TikTok. And
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get to that at the end of
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  Speaker 2: this article. This article was authored by Audrey Conklin. Nearly
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  Speaker 2: 40 days after four University of Idaho students were stabbed
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  Speaker 2: to death, In their home near campus on November 13th,
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  Speaker 2: police have not named any suspects in the case and
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  Speaker 2: social media users are running amok with rumors about who
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  Speaker 2: committed the gruesome crime. And we all know the saying, right?
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  Speaker 2: The bigger the circus, the more clowns. And during the
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  Speaker 2: Gabby Petito case, they were out in droves, people camping
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  Speaker 2: out in front of people's houses, all sorts of crazy
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  Speaker 2: wild stuff. And what we see going on here, it
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  Speaker 2: even dwarfs that. We're seeing a brand new level of
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  Speaker 2: crazy here, folks. It's possible that those who are publicly
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  Speaker 2: spreading rumors and naming innocent people as suspects in the
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  Speaker 2: case could face legal consequences, whereas companies like Facebook, TikTok,
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  Speaker 2: and Twitter are protected by Section 230 of the Communications
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  Speaker 2: Decency Act, which states that platforms can't be held liable
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  Speaker 2: for what third-party users post on their websites. And that's
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  Speaker 2: a good thing, right? We don't want to have a
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  Speaker 2: forum where, you know, they're getting blamed, meaning the forum itself,
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  Speaker 2: because some crazy person wants to go and post there.
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  Speaker 2: Can't have that. So that's where Section 230 comes in.
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  Speaker 2: To keep an open and honest conversation going, you have
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  Speaker 2: to have some sort of protections for the platforms or
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  Speaker 2: they would just be overly sanitized.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what 230 is there for.
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  Speaker 2: However, If you're on these platforms and you're running your
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  Speaker 2: fat yap and you think you have something to say
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  Speaker 2: and you're calling somebody a murderer or whatever you're going
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  Speaker 2: to call them, you better be prepared for some repercussions.
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  Speaker 2: Because if people want to take it to the next
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  Speaker 2: level and they have the means to do so, you
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  Speaker 2: might find yourself on the other end of a lawsuit.
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  Speaker 2: It would be a challenge to sue a platform legally
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  Speaker 2: unless you could show that something in the design of
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  Speaker 2: that particular social media platform significantly contributed or facilitated those
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  Speaker 2: defamatory comments. Attorney Matthew Bergman, who represents people harmed by
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  Speaker 2: social media platforms, told Fox News Digital. But the nature
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  Speaker 2: and scope of Section 230 is being reevaluated. The Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court is going to hear a case in February on
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  Speaker 2: this subject matter. And not to digress too much here,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't think the Supreme Court is going to
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  Speaker 2: strike down 230, at least not on the grounds of
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  Speaker 2: this case.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what?
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about this case later on, maybe over the
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  Speaker 2: weekend or something, or after the holidays, and talk a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more about 230, because it is a relatively
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  Speaker 2: important subject. The four victims in the Idaho murders, Ethan Chapin,
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  Speaker 2: Zanna Kernodle, Kaylee Gonsalves, and Madison Mogan, had or still
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  Speaker 2: have public social media accounts, allowing internet sleuths to analyze
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  Speaker 2: their every post on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and other platforms
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  Speaker 2: for potential clues that could expose the murderer. And again, look,
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  Speaker 2: I'll just never understand that sort of behavior. What do
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  Speaker 2: you really think you're going to learn that the investigators
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  Speaker 2: aren't going to be able to find? Do you think
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  Speaker 2: they didn't go through all of these social media accounts already?
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  Speaker 2: And if they haven't, well, I don't know what to
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  Speaker 2: say about that. But you would think with all of
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  Speaker 2: the people involved here, there's somebody savvy enough in the
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  Speaker 2: investigation to say, look, we have to go through all
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  Speaker 2: of these social media accounts and try and put things together.
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  Speaker 2: And my guess is they're doing that or have done
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  Speaker 2: that already. So all of the, you know, crazies who
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  Speaker 2: are out there sipping on their wine and thinking they
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  Speaker 2: have this case solved, breaking news. You're a non-factor. You're
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  Speaker 2: not part of this. You're a bystander. You're along for
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  Speaker 2: the ride. You're watching it happen. But there are some
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  Speaker 2: people that just simply cannot help themselves. They can't let
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  Speaker 2: a chance go by. They have to live stream every
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  Speaker 2: five minutes. And it's great if you have something to share. Fine,
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  Speaker 2: go for it. But the nonsense that's coming out of
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  Speaker 2: some people's mouths, it's a bit ridiculous and a little
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  Speaker 2: bit much. Let's just call it what it is. And
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, that's pure stupidity. follow along with the case,
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  Speaker 2: talk about it with your friends, you know, post your
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  Speaker 2: speculation on the message board, whatever. But when you start
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  Speaker 2: talking about you're going to be the one to crack
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  Speaker 2: the case, like some lady is talking on Twitter, then
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  Speaker 2: you have obviously lost the plot. I mean, this lady's
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  Speaker 2: over there yelling at the people who own that bar,
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  Speaker 2: the Corner Club, talking about how they're protecting this person
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  Speaker 2: or that person. And this lady's obviously unhinged. firing off
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of accusations, baseless accusations, and stuff like that
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  Speaker 2: is dangerous. You get somebody hurt like that, and people
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  Speaker 2: should really take a step back and watch what the
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  Speaker 2: hell they're talking about. While the public's digging may be
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  Speaker 2: helpful in some cases, it can be harmful when innocent
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  Speaker 2: people are wrongly accused, and there have been plenty of
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  Speaker 2: people associated with the quadruple murder victims, whether they be friends, exes,
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  Speaker 2: or roommates who have been named on these platforms. And
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  Speaker 2: subject to harmful rumors. I even saw one of these people,
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  Speaker 2: one of these ex-FBI agents, Gilliam or whatever the hell
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  Speaker 2: the name was, talking about how Kaylee's dad is a
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  Speaker 2: suspect here. And somebody should ask him what his alibi is.
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  Speaker 2: I swear to you, this is a post that this
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  Speaker 2: guy had. I couldn't believe it. And we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: an ex-FBI agent saying that? So that tells you, it's
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  Speaker 2: not just crazies out there. Everybody's looking to get that
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  Speaker 2: little bit, right? Everybody's looking to have that shock statement.
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  Speaker 2: Some users have opted to use nicknames for these people
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  Speaker 2: they suspect of killing the victims while others have used
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  Speaker 2: their full names and posted photos of them on public
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  Speaker 2: forums or in private groups with thousands of like-minded users. Again,
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  Speaker 2: if anyone out there is doing that and you're listening
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  Speaker 2: to this podcast, it's a bad idea and I would
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  Speaker 2: highly suggest that you didn't do it. Especially if you
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  Speaker 2: want to see justice happen here. We don't need any
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  Speaker 2: kind of sideshow, right? We need focus and we need
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  Speaker 2: the police lasered in on whoever did this, not on
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of numbskulls and people running around like the
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  Speaker 2: modern day TikTok version of Miss Cleo. Bullying can be
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  Speaker 2: so much more damaging on social media because it spreads
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  Speaker 2: to everyone you know, Bergman explained. And if somebody said
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  Speaker 2: something to a person that is hurtful or wrongfully accuses
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  Speaker 2: them of something, it never goes away. And it can
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  Speaker 2: be multiplied and it can go viral. Yeah, we've seen
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  Speaker 2: that how many times? And that's why the narrative on
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  Speaker 2: social media is so important. We saw it with the
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein case and how the survivors came and they
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  Speaker 2: stole the narrative back from Jeffrey Epstein and all of
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  Speaker 2: his enablers. And they took it directly to the people.
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  Speaker 1: Now, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: That case and this case are apples and oranges. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking about murders here. Where we're talking about on the
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  Speaker 2: flip side of that with Epstein, we're talking about a
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  Speaker 2: gigantic large criminal enterprise that was involved in all sorts
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  Speaker 2: of things. Moscow police even began a section of their
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  Speaker 2: regularly updated press release called Rumor Control, quashing rumors about
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  Speaker 2: the crime victims or perpetrators that have spread online. They're
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  Speaker 2: also keeping an ongoing list of individuals who they have
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  Speaker 2: ruled out as suspects. And that's why I read the
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  Speaker 2: press releases in their entirety. I know it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: mundane and kind of boring, but I want to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that we have the official narrative going alongside and
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  Speaker 2: concurrently with the commentary. Because when we're breaking down these articles, remember,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just giving you my opinion of what's going on here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have any inside information. I'm not working this
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  Speaker 2: investigation with these officers. Nobody's invited me over for some,
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  Speaker 2: you know, donuts and coffee. So I'm just breaking it
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  Speaker 2: down and piecing it all together, just like you folks
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  Speaker 2: out there. Officials have warned that law enforcement officers have
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  Speaker 2: been monitoring rumors on social media and noted in a
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  Speaker 2: December 9th press release that anyone engaging in threats or harassment...
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  Speaker 2: whether in person, online, or otherwise, needs to understand that
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  Speaker 2: they could be subjecting themselves to criminal charges. And there's
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  Speaker 2: no doubt. If you're firing off threats of bodily harm
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  Speaker 2: to somebody, you better be prepared for the repercussions. People
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  Speaker 2: have gotten way too comfortable saying stuff behind a computer
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  Speaker 2: screen that they would never be saying in real life.
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  Speaker 2: Bergman noted that Richard Jewell, a security guard who was
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  Speaker 2: wrongfully accused of executing a mass shooting in Atlanta in 1996,
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  Speaker 2: received compensation after he was defamed by the media. Well,
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  Speaker 2: what I will say here, I haven't seen the media,
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  Speaker 2: for the most part, jump the gun and start blaming
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  Speaker 2: anybody one way or the other. So that's certainly a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. Usually the legacy media is right up on
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  Speaker 2: the top of my shit list with whatever we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: But so far here, they really haven't conducted themselves like
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  Speaker 2: the barbarians they usually do. When asked whether he had
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  Speaker 2: any advice for the sleuths posting this content online, Bergman's
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  Speaker 2: response was simple.
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  Speaker 1: Stop it. You're not police.
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  Speaker 2: You are impeding the investigation and compounding the harms that
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  Speaker 2: resulted from this horrific act. And if you're being a
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  Speaker 2: bad citizen by doing it, you better stop it, he said.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like you're being admonished by your dad, right? You
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  Speaker 2: better eat all those peas. But he's not wrong. There's
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  Speaker 2: no place for it.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: What are you getting out of it? I just don't
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  Speaker 2: understand it, I guess. The whole bullying thing in any
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  Speaker 2: aspect has never been something that I can stomach.
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  Speaker 1: I hate bullies. I don't like people who bully other people.
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  Speaker 2: And I always think that it's a good idea to
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  Speaker 2: punch up, not down. And the people who are out
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  Speaker 2: here engaging in the bullying, there's going to be repercussions.
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  Speaker 2: And there's already a lawsuit that's been filed. The individuals
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  Speaker 2: who are being targeted online can draft a very hard-hitting
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  Speaker 2: cease and desist letter to those spreading rumors and threaten
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  Speaker 2: legal advice and demand that this statement be retracted and
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  Speaker 2: withdrawn again, Bergman explained. The Moscow community and those following
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  Speaker 2: the case are frustrated by a lack of answers more
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  Speaker 2: than a month.
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  Speaker 1: After the murders occurred.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators are pouring through thousands of leads and digital evidence submissions.
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  Speaker 2: There were six people, including two surviving roommates, sleeping in
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  Speaker 2: the house when the attack occurred. The house was also
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  Speaker 2: known to have frequent gatherings, leading experts to suggest that
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  Speaker 2: investigators are trying to analyze and identify DNA evidence from
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  Speaker 2: the scene. And that's going to be very difficult. With
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  Speaker 2: all of the traffic in this house, very, very difficult
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  Speaker 2: for them to lock it all in. police are still
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  Speaker 2: searching for a white Hyundai Elantra that was spotted near
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  Speaker 2: the scene of the Idaho quadruple homicide in the early
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  Speaker 2: morning hours of November 13th. They believe the occupant or
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  Speaker 2: occupants of this vehicle may have important information about the homicides.
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  Speaker 2: So that's going to do it for that Fox article. However,
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  Speaker 2: we have another article over here that I found very,
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  Speaker 2: very interesting. And it's the first lawsuit, at least that
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  Speaker 2: I have seen, that has been filed so far in
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  Speaker 2: this case. So this article is from Reason.com and the
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  Speaker 2: author of this article is Professor Eugene Volko. Headline, University
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  Speaker 2: of Idaho murders yield libel lawsuit against internet sleuth. According
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  Speaker 2: to the complaint, Ashley Guillard promotes herself on Amazon and
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  Speaker 2: TikTok as an internet sleuth that solves high-profile unsolved murders
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  Speaker 2: by consulting tarot cards and performing other readings to obtain
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  Speaker 2: information about the murders. So, you're run-of-the-mill charlatan, a snake
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  Speaker 2: oil salesman, and a grifter. How fantastic. From Schofield vs.
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  Speaker 1: Guillard. Filed yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: In November of 2022, four students at the University of
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  Speaker 2: Idaho were murdered at a home near the campus. The
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  Speaker 2: tragedy has garnered attention and and inflicted great sorrow throughout
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  Speaker 2: the university, the state, and the country. Defendant Ashley Guillard,
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  Speaker 2: a purported internet sleuth, decided to use the community's pain
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  Speaker 2: for her online self-promotion. She has posted many videos on
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  Speaker 2: TikTok falsely stating that plaintiff Rebecca Schofield, a professor at
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  Speaker 2: the university, participated in the murders because she was romantically
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  Speaker 2: involved with one of the victims. I mean, can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine this batshit stuff that people come up with? Guillard's
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  Speaker 2: statements are false. Professor Schofield did not participate in the
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  Speaker 2: murders and she never met any of the victims, let
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  Speaker 2: alone enter a romantic relationship with them. Guillard's videos have
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  Speaker 2: been viewed millions of times, amplifying Guillard's online persona at
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  Speaker 2: the expense of Professor Schofield's reputation. Professor Schofield now sues
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  Speaker 2: Guillard for defamation, and hopefully this will send a message
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  Speaker 2: to some of these other knuckleheads out there. None of
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  Speaker 2: the four students who were murdered ever took a class
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  Speaker 2: from Professor Schofield. Although the University of Idaho is a
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  Speaker 2: relatively small university, she does not recall ever meeting any
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  Speaker 2: of these students. Ashley Guillard promotes herself on Amazon and
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  Speaker 2: TikTok as an internet sleuth that solves high-profile unsolved murders
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  Speaker 2: by consulting tarot cards and performing other readings to obtain
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  Speaker 2: information about the murders. You know, all of these tarot
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  Speaker 2: readers and all these other psychics and the rest of them?
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  Speaker 1: You want me to believe you?
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  Speaker 2: I need a solid 10-game parlay for this weekend. All
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  Speaker 2: the point spreads, all the bells and the whistles, and
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  Speaker 2: then I'll believe you, Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Cleo.
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  Speaker 2: Until then, sit down, shut up, and let the professionals
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  Speaker 2: do their work. She has purported to solve the murders
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  Speaker 2: of musician Kirshnick Kari Ball, a.k.a. Takeoff, Shanquella Robinson, Tiffany Valiente,
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Samuels, and the November murders at the University of Idaho. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she's just, she's all over it, right? The
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  Speaker 2: greatest investigator we have ever seen ever in the history
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  Speaker 2: of the world. This TikTok psychic lady. There you have it, folks.
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  Speaker 2: You've all been educated now to the greatest psychic of
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  Speaker 2: our time, the modern day Nostradamus.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, are people for real? Like, honestly?
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  Speaker 2: You're out here grifting like that? And what's up with
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  Speaker 2: the people sucking up that content? Like, I know people
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  Speaker 2: want content about this topic, obviously. But for real, psychics
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  Speaker 2: and spirit boxes and tarot cards and what's next, the malachio?
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this episode.
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