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The HIV/AIDS Swindle | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Germ Warfare, the Battle
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Speaker 1: of ideas. For the third time in a few days,
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Speaker 1: David Rasnik, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're getting to know each other, 't glad you? So?
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Speaker 1: Just for those who haven't been following, you and I chatted,
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Speaker 1: I suppose about a week ago in which we covered
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Speaker 1: your work on both HIV AIDS and cancer. It proved
0:58
Speaker 1: to be far too much for or one hour. I'll
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Speaker 1: asked you if you wouldn't mind returning so we could
1:04
Speaker 1: break those down into two separate conversations, one of which
1:08
Speaker 1: was on cancer. This one we'll chat about HIV and AIDS. Now, obviously,
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Speaker 1: as a South African this is pertinent to me because
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Speaker 1: we were the epicenter of the whole narrative for a
1:22
Speaker 1: long long time and maybe we still are. But before
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Speaker 1: we chat about that, David, if you wouldn't mind just
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Speaker 1: quickly take me through your history with HIV AIDS and
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Speaker 1: why you got into it and what you concluded.
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Speaker 2: Right. I moved from Abbitt Laboratories in Chicago in two
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Speaker 2: thousand to the San Francisco Bay area, And no two
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Speaker 2: thousand is wrong in it It was nineteen eighty, Sorry
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Speaker 2: about that, Yeah, it was nineteen eighty. I left Abbott
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Speaker 2: Laboratories and moved to the San Francisco Bay Area set
2:03
Speaker 2: up my first biotech company. And of course nineteen eighty
2:07
Speaker 2: was when what was called what was called AIDS first
2:12
Speaker 2: was called GRID Gay related immune deficiency, and that had
2:17
Speaker 2: actually started in the Bay Area, New York, you know,
2:21
Speaker 2: San Francisco, Bay Area, New York and Los Angeles in
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Speaker 2: the late mid to late seventies among gay men in
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Speaker 2: the nightclubs, and they were coming down with all these
2:31
Speaker 2: weird diseases like caposi sarcoma on their face. And the
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Speaker 2: CDC knew as early as nineteen eighty two that what
2:44
Speaker 2: was going on was the chronic use of those recreational
2:48
Speaker 2: drugs amle and beutal nitrite molecules which are very carcentergenic,
2:52
Speaker 2: very very toxic. And then but I was not really
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Speaker 2: aware of the night the fact that this was going
3:02
Speaker 2: on in the early eighties. It was only towards the
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Speaker 2: mid eighties that it actually started making news. And then
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Speaker 2: we had nineteen eighty four April twenty third, where Margaret
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Speaker 2: Hector brought out Robert Gallo. She said he discovered the
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Speaker 2: probable cause of AIDS. It was a retrovirus that he
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Speaker 2: called it HTLV three, all right, And so this then
3:30
Speaker 2: that made headlines, of course, and none of us had
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Speaker 2: ever heard of this before. I only found out about
3:37
Speaker 2: that later. This was the first time anybody in the
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Speaker 2: world had heard this, no scientists before. There was no publication,
3:46
Speaker 2: no studies or anything until this press conference. And of
3:50
Speaker 2: course that retrospectively, you look back at that, it's very,
3:53
Speaker 2: very weird. And Carrie Mullis Nobel Laureate tried to find
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Speaker 2: the publication on HIV causing AIDS, and I tried that
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Speaker 2: for a couple of decades, could never find it. Finally
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Speaker 2: got to talk to Luke Montagner later on, and Luke
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Speaker 2: Montagne didn't know. In other words, he couldn't find anybody,
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Speaker 2: you know, who knew that HIV called caused AIDS. There
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Speaker 2: was no studies or anything. And so I'm going back,
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Speaker 2: you know, from the before AIDS, before I knew about
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Speaker 2: it up till later, you know, decades later. So it's
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Speaker 2: a long story, but I'll get back to the eighties here,
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Speaker 2: all right. So then that nineteen eighty four, I had
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Speaker 2: my brand new four years on my little biotech company,
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Speaker 2: and I knew about viruses or viruses have four different
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Speaker 2: types of enzyme that I'm very familiar with. And I
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Speaker 2: asked the guys there what kind of proteas directroviruses have,
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Speaker 2: and because I wanted to make inhibitors for it, your aids,
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Speaker 2: you know, because HIV depended needed to have a proteace.
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Speaker 2: And they said, in a sparkal protease, Okay, that tells
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Speaker 2: me what the active site looks like. Their little jaws.
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Speaker 2: Proteases are enzymes that cut proteins into pieces. Some of
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Speaker 2: them are very very specific. They only make one cut
5:19
Speaker 2: in one particular protein, won't touch anything else. Those are
5:22
Speaker 2: very specific. Other ones, well, like you're digestive tract, they'll
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Speaker 2: chew up all kinds of proteins lots of different places
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Speaker 2: so they could digest it. So they're very very important
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Speaker 2: because they're modeling proteins. They degrade things, they build things,
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Speaker 2: they construct things. I mean, they're just a tool that
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Speaker 2: your body really uses a lot. And the retroviruses I
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Speaker 2: looked into them and their protease. That sparkal protease has
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Speaker 2: to make nine cleavages, nine clips in the proteins that
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Speaker 2: are produced the single big protein that's produced when the
6:00
Speaker 2: cells want to divide, and it has to make nine
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Speaker 2: separate clips in there for those proteins to be then
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Speaker 2: put together and build things inside that virus. And if
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Speaker 2: you stop that, the virus cannot progress, can't do anything.
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Speaker 2: So the HIV proteas was an excellent target to go for,
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Speaker 2: and so I started designing inhibitors for this enzyme right
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Speaker 2: away in nineteen eighty four. Even but after a few
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Speaker 2: months I dropped that because I had been working at
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Speaker 2: Abbot and I was a chemist there, and I knew
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Speaker 2: a bunch of the chemists, and they had a bunch
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Speaker 2: of inhibitors, and I estimated that they probably already had
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Speaker 2: about two thousand the spartal protiation inhibitors in the bottle,
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Speaker 2: you know, that they've made over the years. And I
6:53
Speaker 2: met in the early nineteen nineties at the Gordon conference.
6:56
Speaker 2: I met one of the Abbot guys and I asked him,
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Speaker 2: I said, how many IS in hibitors did you have
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty four? He said three thousand, So I underestimated,
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Speaker 2: you know, and of course there was no way to
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Speaker 2: cold compete with that. I guarantee they already have some
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Speaker 2: in there that would work. In fact, Abbott was the
7:13
Speaker 2: first one to go to market was an HIV prodacent hibitor,
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Speaker 2: all right, So I mean I was very smart of
7:20
Speaker 2: me to realize I couldn't compete with that. So I
7:23
Speaker 2: didn't spend more than a couple of months even thinking
7:25
Speaker 2: about doing that. But I was still very interested in
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Speaker 2: AIDS and I did everything I could try to understand it.
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Speaker 2: And they one of the things in the Bay Area
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Speaker 2: because that was one of the hot spots of AIDS.
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Speaker 2: You know, the bookstores in San Francisco were marvelous, and
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Speaker 2: I would go to these gay bookstores and look on
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Speaker 2: the shelves they had to do with AIDS and his
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Speaker 2: marvelous collections of books. And I got tons of those books,
7:55
Speaker 2: all different kind of aspects of it, looked into it
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Speaker 2: just to understand about AIDS. And then of course, as
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Speaker 2: a chemist, I wanted to understand about retroviruses. I didn't
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Speaker 2: know anything about them. I just knew what they were
8:09
Speaker 2: in general, but no specifics. And to really understand that
8:15
Speaker 2: I'm a scientist, that we're curious, that we want to know,
8:18
Speaker 2: we want to understand. So I did a lot of
8:21
Speaker 2: digging into this aid stuff just out of curiosity. Here
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Speaker 2: I was at San Francisco. What are the hot spots
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Speaker 2: of it? You know? And I needed to know what
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Speaker 2: was going on. So I looked at those the books,
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Speaker 2: and then I studied the epidemiology of AIDS. Now we
8:38
Speaker 2: had it four years of it, five years of it,
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Speaker 2: and then my personal experience in San Francisco walking around,
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Speaker 2: and then it was very very clear the ages was
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Speaker 2: not behaving like a contagious disease. You know. Nine now
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Speaker 2: ten AIDS cases in the nineteen eighties were men, you know,
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Speaker 2: and there were either ivy drug using heterosexuals or the
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Speaker 2: guys who were inhaling poppers and nitrites at those clubs,
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Speaker 2: and women just did not get AIDS. And then in
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Speaker 2: San Francisco, AIDS was restricted to the gay community in
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Speaker 2: the Castro in those early days, and you walk across,
9:20
Speaker 2: you go across the street on the other side, there's
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Speaker 2: no AIDS over there, you know. And the fact that
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Speaker 2: women didn't get it, it was like this virus knew
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Speaker 2: whether you're gay or straight, white or black, rich orport
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Speaker 2: or what country do you live in, because it was
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Speaker 2: completely different everywhere you went. What kind of contagious disease
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Speaker 2: knows that you know what symptoms to cause a gay man,
9:44
Speaker 2: what symptoms to cause ivy drug user, what symptoms to
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Speaker 2: cause a woman or heterosexual? You know, it made no sense.
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Speaker 2: So I think it was nineteen eighty five at one
9:56
Speaker 2: of the little Bay area meetings that we had, we
9:59
Speaker 2: made a UCS at University California, San Francisco. Once a
10:02
Speaker 2: month that would be academics, scientists like and then there
10:07
Speaker 2: would be pharmaceuticals and biotech and we'd go there for
10:11
Speaker 2: a seminar once a month. And I cannot remember a
10:15
Speaker 2: single seminar that was interesting, but we all afterwards we
10:19
Speaker 2: had always go to a Chinese restaurant, the same one
10:22
Speaker 2: is very good one, and that's where we just talked.
10:24
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people went there for that primarily.
10:27
Speaker 2: I know, I did you get to meet people, set
10:30
Speaker 2: up the occasional collaboration. I set up a very nice
10:33
Speaker 2: collaboration with a guy working on parasite there, and you know,
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Speaker 2: and it was just fun talking to each other, learning
10:41
Speaker 2: about what you're doing over there, tell people what you're doing,
10:44
Speaker 2: just get to know each other. And then as late
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five, I'm doing, then what I'm doing now
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Speaker 2: saying aims just not behaving like a contagious disease, you know.
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Speaker 2: And I put up my observation what was going on,
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, everything everybody was silent. Nobody
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Speaker 2: would talk to me, and that, I mean, that was weird.
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Speaker 2: You know, sciences loved to talk and and I'm a
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Speaker 2: Southerner as on top of it, and that struck me. Man.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't deal with that. I didn't know what to do.
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Speaker 2: And so I even went to the bookstores even more
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Speaker 2: and more and more and studied even more, and and
11:35
Speaker 2: then eventually, I don't know what it was. I think
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Speaker 2: it might have been eighty seven, because that was around
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Speaker 2: when Peter Deosburg published that invited paper in Cancer Research
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Speaker 2: about HIV. He's the world authority on retroviruses, and HIV
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Speaker 2: is a retrovirus. And I don't think I saw the
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Speaker 2: paper at that time, but I heard about it being
11:59
Speaker 2: in the Bay Area, and he was in the Bay
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Speaker 2: Area across the bay at uc Berkeleys. The people talked
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Speaker 2: about Newsburg and then it went wow, you know, he's
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Speaker 2: saying HIV does not cause aids, cannot cause ads, cannot
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Speaker 2: do anything retrovirus is a harmless was he mapped the
12:19
Speaker 2: genomes of those things he knew about them, and right
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Speaker 2: after I think it was right after that nineteen eighty
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Speaker 2: seven publication and Cancer Research Newsburg's then I found out
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Speaker 2: later he was a member of National Academy of Sciences,
12:36
Speaker 2: had the Outstanding Investigator grant, and it was pulled his
12:41
Speaker 2: federal grant money was pulled because he went because that
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven paper and basically shut down his lab. Fortunately,
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Speaker 2: Peter had some friends in the Bay areas, some wealthy
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Speaker 2: friends who could couldn't provide the same amount of money
13:01
Speaker 2: as the government did, but certainly enough money to keep
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Speaker 2: his lab going. Uh and uh and allowed him. Now
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Speaker 2: he could do whatever he wanted to with this money.
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Speaker 2: He didn't have to do what the funders at the
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Speaker 2: NIH want wanted to continue doing. So, then he decided
13:22
Speaker 2: he was going to look into the Theodore Bovaris. I'll
13:27
Speaker 2: go on him in a little bit. Uh No, that's
13:29
Speaker 2: where that's the cancer. Well, that's what he wanted to do.
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Speaker 2: Was was the cancer. That said, the cancer and the
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Speaker 2: the cancer and the aide stuff were so tightly lengked.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to re separate these two. But
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Speaker 2: he was going to go to UH Germany to do
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Speaker 2: a sabbatical and see whether or not if UH Theodore
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Speaker 2: Bovari's theory of cancer about troumosome and abouts, as we
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Speaker 2: talked about last time UH was was real. Is that
13:56
Speaker 2: really the explanation for cancer? He did that, Okay, So
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Speaker 2: I day back and studied both. I studied the Theodore
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Speaker 2: Bovaria stuff, the cancer stuff, and continued on with the
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Speaker 2: AIDS thing. And of course after he came back then,
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Speaker 2: you know, we really worked together since nineteen ninety six,
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Speaker 2: and when he came back nineteen ninety seven, we worked
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Speaker 2: together on both AIDS and cancer, alternating and had a
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Speaker 2: very very very productive collaboration. We published numerous articles on
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Speaker 2: both books, published a couple of books on it, actually three.
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Speaker 2: One of them was an aid's novel called German Lies.
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Speaker 2: I was hoping the general public might be interested in
14:39
Speaker 2: that it'd be easier entertaining, you know, to understand what
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Speaker 2: aide really is. And so that most of that story
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Speaker 2: then was really from about nineteen ninety six when I
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Speaker 2: joined up with Peter that we started fighting this now
14:59
Speaker 2: the thing, now the scope back to the eighties a
15:02
Speaker 2: lot of people are A lot of this is going
15:05
Speaker 2: to sound really weird, So let me start off with
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Speaker 2: directing people to my website. It's got over forty years
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Speaker 2: sorts of information on there, and I have it divided
15:15
Speaker 2: up into various things like some one page there's nothing
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Speaker 2: but links to the AIDE stuff, the other ones to cancer,
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Speaker 2: and it's David Rasnik dot com. That's my name, David
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Speaker 2: Rasnik dot com. You go there and on the homepage
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Speaker 2: you'll see at the top the list of places, and
15:33
Speaker 2: then the homepage has my picture on it and some
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Speaker 2: books and other things. And to the right of that
15:40
Speaker 2: there's a link to age. You click on that and
15:42
Speaker 2: there's tons and tons and tons of stuff on there.
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Speaker 2: It looks pretty simple. You click on a link and
15:47
Speaker 2: it opens up another page with a whole bunch of
15:49
Speaker 2: other links, and that's cancer. There's vaccines, drugs and tests,
15:55
Speaker 2: science and the citizens Liberty recommend it in COVID. I
15:59
Speaker 2: had COVID of course when all that started. So with
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Speaker 2: the AID stuff, you click on that AIDS one there
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Speaker 2: and there's a wealth of information the history of everything
16:15
Speaker 2: on that and one of the biggest ones I was
16:17
Speaker 2: following this from the very beginning, and there is a timeline.
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Speaker 2: I think people let me already mentioned that AIDS in
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Speaker 2: the eighties, nine out of ten AGE cases were men.
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Speaker 2: In the nineties, to this day it's eight out of nine,
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Speaker 2: even though they added cervical cancers ages on top of
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Speaker 2: the thirties. I my diseases, ages defining diseases have nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with each other. But they needed to get
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Speaker 2: more women in the AID thing. But as of nineteen
16:46
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, there's cervical cancer only counted for one
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Speaker 2: percent of the AIDS cases that year. Now, the gay guys,
16:55
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know this. The gay guys
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Speaker 2: actually understood what was going on, just like the CDC
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Speaker 2: did in eighty two. It was their habits with these
17:03
Speaker 2: toxic drugs, and AIDS had already peaked around the time
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Speaker 2: by eighty five eighty six there when Margaret Heckler had
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Speaker 2: a press conference. When you go back, you look at
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Speaker 2: the year on AIDS cases, and so they was already
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Speaker 2: going down, you know, and then they added they keep
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Speaker 2: adding the things to the definitions, and it still didn't
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Speaker 2: go up, but they had to keep the AIDS cases
17:31
Speaker 2: up there. And what they did, there's I have a
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Speaker 2: graph in there that there's been I think they go
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Speaker 2: to the constant there's been a constant one approximately you know,
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Speaker 2: plus or minus one hundred thousand, approximately one million HIV
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Speaker 2: positive Americans between nineteen eighty six through twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: You go to my website, you can look at it.
18:00
Speaker 2: I have the reports for each one of those years,
18:03
Speaker 2: you know, you click on them, click on the year,
18:05
Speaker 2: and I will show you the CDC document whatever. And
18:08
Speaker 2: I even have it's not on that page. So but
18:10
Speaker 2: I have other places where I did presentations where I
18:14
Speaker 2: graft it and you can see over decades, how aids
18:18
Speaker 2: you know, a million, a million and one hundred thousand
18:21
Speaker 2: or nine hundred and fifty thousand or whatever over this
18:23
Speaker 2: whole period.
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't make any sense, no.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, you know, you do not have to be a scientist.
18:30
Speaker 2: How many contagious diseases infectious diseases do that? You know,
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Speaker 2: the seasonal flu, you know, or anything it comes up,
18:39
Speaker 2: peaks in a couple of months, two or three months,
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Speaker 2: and goes away in a few months. All infectious contagious
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Speaker 2: diseases except HIV it's and the interesting thing of it
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Speaker 2: is a constant one million plus of minds one hundred
18:52
Speaker 2: thousand for decades. Now, that is really really bizarre. And
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Speaker 2: the and I tell you how they get that constant
19:00
Speaker 2: one million before I forget about it, because, like I say,
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Speaker 2: said tree with a thousand of thems, the HIV test
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Speaker 2: good place to bring this up. They don't actually diagnose diseases.
19:13
Speaker 2: Remember the thirty somewhat ages defining diseases. Non diseases were
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Speaker 2: present before AIDS, all right, they you know, they weren't
19:21
Speaker 2: called AIDS or anything. They called this particular disease. But
19:25
Speaker 2: if a person happened to test positive on one of
19:27
Speaker 2: the antibody tests or PCR tests, then whatever disease they had,
19:32
Speaker 2: cervical cancer for example in women, and they tested positive,
19:36
Speaker 2: they had AIDS. Not cervical cancer anymore. They had AIDS
19:40
Speaker 2: or NUMO sisters, karini ie, ammonia or some of those
19:42
Speaker 2: things they no longer had. That they had AIDS, and
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Speaker 2: it was by definition, and they had a test to
19:50
Speaker 2: do that. In fact, Anthony Fauci was brought in in
19:54
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four November nineteen eighty four as head of
19:57
Speaker 2: the National Institute's Allergy Inficious Diseases and his job I'm
20:01
Speaker 2: looking at you know, retrospectives at it at the time.
20:05
Speaker 2: But his job was to turn all these non infectious
20:09
Speaker 2: diseases into infectious diseases. And he'd been doing that for decades.
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Speaker 2: The AIDS, the mirrors, the biz ours and ebola, all
20:20
Speaker 2: of them. The COVID, all of those things. Was he
20:23
Speaker 2: was turning those things and contagious infectious diseases and AIDS
20:27
Speaker 2: was the first one and it was the only one
20:30
Speaker 2: that really took until COVID. All right, and that's exposed.
20:34
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a lot of stuff. What he's
20:36
Speaker 2: done has been exposed now. So it took for decades
20:41
Speaker 2: to get the truth out there to most people. You know.
20:44
Speaker 2: And let me go back to the test because this
20:47
Speaker 2: is important because they're still doing it to this day.
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Speaker 2: They never diagnosed AIDS cases based on symptoms. It was
20:58
Speaker 2: with these tests, and the antibody tests was the first one.
21:01
Speaker 2: Now there's no, uh, there's no nobody's ever been able
21:06
Speaker 2: to detect HIV the supposed cause of age in a
21:09
Speaker 2: human being. You know that the public doesn't know that.
21:14
Speaker 2: But uh, you go to the package inserts that come
21:16
Speaker 2: with the test PCR, the uh, I forget what the
21:21
Speaker 2: other antibody one was called now but they dropped it
21:24
Speaker 2: pretty quick at PCR and the antibody.
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Speaker 1: One when they Eliza, I think it's Eliza, isn't it
21:32
Speaker 1: the Eliza?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that that's an antibody thing, but
21:36
Speaker 2: it was a cultural one that I'm talking about. And uh, anyway, uh,
21:41
Speaker 2: the the antibody test was the one that was the
21:44
Speaker 2: big one. And when you get down there and you
21:47
Speaker 2: look at the accuracy of the test where they where
21:51
Speaker 2: they give you the details, They said they had no
21:55
Speaker 2: authentic virus to evaluate the antibody test to see what
22:00
Speaker 2: was the true positive. It was a false positive. Okay,
22:04
Speaker 2: they didn't have a reference virus. That's weird. You know how,
22:08
Speaker 2: if you ever come up with a test for something,
22:11
Speaker 2: you have to evaluate it against true positives and true negatives,
22:17
Speaker 2: whatever the disease is.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, just sorry, I'm going to just
22:20
Speaker 1: jump in there. I just want to make sure somebody
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Speaker 1: like me who's not scientific, gets what you're saying. So
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Speaker 1: an antibody would be like the shadow of the person,
22:29
Speaker 1: And in order for you to know what the shadow is,
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Speaker 1: you need to know what the person is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not even a shadow. But that's not
22:37
Speaker 2: a bad not a bad analogy. What it is the
22:41
Speaker 2: antibodies is your immune system, part of the immune system
22:45
Speaker 2: that binds to the thing that you're interested in, like HIV.
22:52
Speaker 2: Like like the virus HIV and your body. Your immune
22:56
Speaker 2: system makes antibodies against it, specifically for that thing in
23:01
Speaker 2: order to eliminate it, and it learns as a memory
23:04
Speaker 2: for in the future if it ever sees that thing again,
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Speaker 2: it gets it before it pass time to make symptoms.
23:10
Speaker 2: All right, So they didn't have the virus, they didn't
23:15
Speaker 2: have the cause. Nobody had the cause. That was one
23:18
Speaker 2: of the things about to get Carrie Mullis and Luke Montagne.
23:22
Speaker 2: You know, nobody has ever discovered the cause of AIDS.
23:26
Speaker 2: They didn't. They got no bil prize for it. Montige
23:30
Speaker 2: got Nobil prize for discovering HIV, not proving that it
23:35
Speaker 2: causes AIDS. And he didn't actually prove it had HIV
23:39
Speaker 2: because he couldn't. He sent the tissue sample to Gallo,
23:44
Speaker 2: Robert Gallo, and Robert Gallo was the one that manufactured
23:49
Speaker 2: HIV in the cell culture. He couldn't couldn't culture it,
23:52
Speaker 2: so he had to manufacture it the way he did
23:54
Speaker 2: with his other HTLVs. All right, and you see why,
23:58
Speaker 2: audience will see how this is tree with a thousand ms.
24:01
Speaker 2: This stuff is one of my websites in the literature
24:03
Speaker 2: that just the public didn't know about it, all right,
24:06
Speaker 2: But the real kicker that helped us win a lot
24:08
Speaker 2: of legal cases, over fifty of them with the the
24:14
Speaker 2: organization California. Anyway, I can't get in there right now.
24:19
Speaker 2: My mind's not so good these days. My memory and office,
24:24
Speaker 2: the medical and scientific justice, that's what it was. We
24:27
Speaker 2: had physicians, we had me like a chemist. We had lawyers.
24:31
Speaker 2: We go around to the various states. Most states in
24:36
Speaker 2: America had felony laws against people exposing other people without
24:42
Speaker 2: their knowledge. St HIV helps felony. Thank god's gone now.
24:47
Speaker 2: So that's why we had this operation to help help
24:51
Speaker 2: these folks. And so we want a lot of those cases.
24:55
Speaker 2: Just by showing the package insert that come with the
24:57
Speaker 2: test in the package assert that they had no authentic
25:04
Speaker 2: HIV to validate the tests. So they say this explicitly.
25:08
Speaker 2: The word assumed that the people were positive. It was
25:15
Speaker 2: valid that they were actually were infected with HIV, all right,
25:19
Speaker 2: And the people that weren't positive didn't. Now, let me
25:22
Speaker 2: tell the audience to get a little bit technical here.
25:25
Speaker 2: It helps because that was in the diagnostic provision. I
25:28
Speaker 2: know about about this stuff. Normally, test uh, these tests
25:33
Speaker 2: for anything, these samples for people. Usually you want to
25:38
Speaker 2: keep it as concentrated as possible because you want if
25:41
Speaker 2: there's even a little traces of something, you don't want
25:44
Speaker 2: it to go away. You're doing deluted. Otherwise, you try
25:46
Speaker 2: to take your blood right out and they'll do an
25:48
Speaker 2: analysis on it, or they may deluted twofold or something,
25:51
Speaker 2: whatever they have to do, and then they do the test.
25:54
Speaker 2: But with the package insert, you have to dilute the
25:58
Speaker 2: blood sample four hundred fold four hundredfold before you do
26:04
Speaker 2: the test. Now I know why they did that. Now
26:08
Speaker 2: I didn't know it, but I was. I knew about tests,
26:11
Speaker 2: and that was crazy. It made those sense. So, uh,
26:15
Speaker 2: the HIV test, the Asians have the lowest likelihood in
26:20
Speaker 2: general being positive. Uh, European type folks, white folks, European
26:26
Speaker 2: we're in the middle, and black Africans have the highest
26:29
Speaker 2: level of antibodies. UH to this just as as a
26:33
Speaker 2: random random test. So you see, it's it's sort of
26:37
Speaker 2: racial selective in a way with with with these tests
26:41
Speaker 2: means nothing about HIV but the test. So they in
26:46
Speaker 2: the United States to maintain that one million over decades,
26:50
Speaker 2: one million positive Americans before they before they did that.
26:54
Speaker 2: But the intentional like I said, the package inciters deluded
26:57
Speaker 2: the blood four hundredfold. If they didn't do that, everybody
27:03
Speaker 2: tested positive didn't matter because the damn test was of
27:08
Speaker 2: no value and they couldn't have everybody being positive and
27:12
Speaker 2: they couldn't have everybody being negative. So we chemistry, you
27:18
Speaker 2: call it. You tight trade it down, you tight trade
27:20
Speaker 2: it down. You get the thing reduced a concentration down
27:23
Speaker 2: to the point of a level that you can maintain
27:26
Speaker 2: it and work for you. You'll give you the positives
27:28
Speaker 2: that you want to maintain one hundred thousand plus or
27:32
Speaker 2: mind I mean a million plus or minds one hundred
27:35
Speaker 2: thousand annual basis. That's where that four hundred fold delution
27:38
Speaker 2: came from. That allows them to keep that number of
27:43
Speaker 2: a roughly one million every year. If they didn't delude it,
27:48
Speaker 2: it would be the population of the United States every year,
27:52
Speaker 2: you know, and you know so I mean that's where
27:57
Speaker 2: it came from. Every aspect, every thing that we were
28:00
Speaker 2: told everything that was used was a fraud with AIDS.
28:04
Speaker 2: Not a single thing was true to the public and
28:07
Speaker 2: not in the scientific literature. Okay, enough about that, we
28:10
Speaker 2: move on to whatever else you.
28:11
Speaker 1: Want to do, right, Okay, So now where does the
28:14
Speaker 1: monkey and Africa story come from?
28:17
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, let me get into that. The definition
28:20
Speaker 2: remembers nineteen eighty four. Where we had AIDS in nineteen
28:25
Speaker 2: eighty five, I think it was, could have been eighty six.
28:29
Speaker 2: The United States pressured the World Health Organization to come
28:33
Speaker 2: up with the definition for AIDS in Africa and that
28:36
Speaker 2: was held in Bangui, the capital Central African Republic. Right,
28:42
Speaker 2: and HIV is not part of the definition. HIV is
28:45
Speaker 2: not part of the definition of AIDS in Africa, So
28:48
Speaker 2: they came up with fever, diarrhea, persistent cough, weight loss
28:52
Speaker 2: in TB, the diseases of poverty and malnutrition by definition,
29:00
Speaker 2: were turned into AIDS in Africa, just like the diseases
29:04
Speaker 2: in the United States. You know, we're turned into AIDS
29:08
Speaker 2: not by a definition per se, but by a test
29:12
Speaker 2: HIV test, and then by definition after that you're positive,
29:16
Speaker 2: then you no longer have TV or whatever it was
29:18
Speaker 2: you know, or cancer. You have AIDS. And in Africa,
29:23
Speaker 2: if you're poor or been out of some sort of
29:30
Speaker 2: infection or whatever was you know, a fever, diarrhea, persistent
29:35
Speaker 2: weight loss and t B. I mean you're an AIDS case.
29:39
Speaker 2: In Africa, they just turned the normal diseases of poverty
29:43
Speaker 2: and malnutrition into AIDS, so they didn't use a test.
29:47
Speaker 1: Something that always comes up is CD full count.
29:50
Speaker 2: Okay, CD four T cells. There are certain type of
29:55
Speaker 2: ourn immune system is massive. I think the only thing
29:58
Speaker 2: more complicated and that's the nervous system. But maybe it's
30:01
Speaker 2: even more nobody knows. And there's all these different cells.
30:04
Speaker 2: There's the cells that produce antibodies, the cells, the killer cells,
30:09
Speaker 2: natural killer cells are all different kinds. And the c
30:13
Speaker 2: D four cells were the thing that anti Defaucci's crowd
30:18
Speaker 2: to try to come up with some bogus criteria for
30:23
Speaker 2: uh uh measuring AIDS, Like the antibodies was one of it,
30:28
Speaker 2: and then the other one of the C T cells
30:31
Speaker 2: where you'd look and see if they go up or
30:33
Speaker 2: go down and uh, and they would use that as
30:37
Speaker 2: a criterion of AIDS progression progressing. UH. If you're a
30:41
Speaker 2: CD T cell, coup CD four T cell coups. They're
30:45
Speaker 2: going down. Oh, we've got to get more and more drugs,
30:48
Speaker 2: you know, because the disease is progressing. And then they
30:51
Speaker 2: get these really toxic drugs to make them even get sicker,
30:54
Speaker 2: you know. And and then sometimes the toxic drugs though,
30:59
Speaker 2: will cause the SEA four cells to go up, you know,
31:03
Speaker 2: and that'll be like a sign. They'll interpret that to mean, oh,
31:06
Speaker 2: your immune system is boosting your immune system all right
31:09
Speaker 2: against HIV. That was their theory, you know. But basically,
31:13
Speaker 2: your immune system is trying to trying to combat the
31:16
Speaker 2: toxic effects of your therapy, and these things will go
31:20
Speaker 2: up and they would go down. It was just a
31:23
Speaker 2: it was another scam, you know. They would use the
31:26
Speaker 2: going up and going down of the CD four T
31:29
Speaker 2: cell count anyway they wanted to. If it's going down,
31:32
Speaker 2: they'd say, oh, great, the therapy is working. Oh if
31:34
Speaker 2: it's going up, oh we got to give you more
31:36
Speaker 2: therapy or change your therapy. You know. So it was
31:41
Speaker 2: part of the scam. Everything was part of the scam.
31:44
Speaker 2: It was it was another fake. It was another thing
31:48
Speaker 2: that because it was immune cells, you see, it was
31:51
Speaker 2: immune cells that you could easily test. There's a whole
31:53
Speaker 2: bunch of other immune cells that could have tested if
31:55
Speaker 2: they wanted to pick CD four cells. All right, if
31:58
Speaker 2: they go up, they interpreted one way. If it goes down,
32:00
Speaker 2: they interpret a different way. But both ways it confirms
32:04
Speaker 2: or promotes the fraud. You know, the therapy's working or
32:08
Speaker 2: it's not working, so we have to give you more.
32:10
Speaker 2: You know, it's never, it's never to your benefit.
32:15
Speaker 1: I have a copy of the two thousand and one
32:18
Speaker 1: Age Report which came out in South Africa under the
32:22
Speaker 1: auspices of then President Tobin Becky, and there are a
32:26
Speaker 1: number of scientific advisors who helped put that report together.
32:30
Speaker 1: One of those names is yours. What is your relationship
32:34
Speaker 1: with South Africa?
32:35
Speaker 2: Well? Interesting, I started one of my biotech companies in
32:41
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine and working on cancer. And while I
32:47
Speaker 2: was interviewing one of my really important guys to help
32:50
Speaker 2: me run the company, Tabo Becky, called me on the phone.
32:55
Speaker 2: This was I think this was two thousand when he
32:58
Speaker 2: called me on the phone, and and I really care
33:03
Speaker 2: I was this new guy, And I apologized. I said,
33:06
Speaker 2: I'm interviewing guy, you know. So he called me back later.
33:11
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I've never talked to a had
33:13
Speaker 2: a state before. I didn't know what to do. So
33:15
Speaker 2: then he called me back again.
33:17
Speaker 1: So the president of a country phones you and you say,
33:20
Speaker 1: hang on, hang on, hang on, I'm busy. Call me back.
33:27
Speaker 2: This is who I am. You know, it's just this
33:29
Speaker 2: other guy, you know. And he did. He was He
33:34
Speaker 2: didn't take offense or anything. I didn't know. He called
33:37
Speaker 2: me right back, you know, maybe the next day or something,
33:40
Speaker 2: and we had a nice conversation. He told me what
33:43
Speaker 2: he was doing, putting this thing together, uh, bringing together
33:47
Speaker 2: people from all over the world, authorities, you know, pro HIV.
33:53
Speaker 2: And then two thirds of his panel were mainstream folks
33:57
Speaker 2: and one third of people like me there were critics
34:00
Speaker 2: of the contagious HIV hypothesis. And he told me who
34:05
Speaker 2: he was contacting about this heads of state, for example,
34:09
Speaker 2: he was contacting people all over the world, and he
34:12
Speaker 2: invited me, and of course I said yes, I mean, lord,
34:17
Speaker 2: I wanted to do that and to be there. And
34:23
Speaker 2: you know, that's about the best my memory is right now.
34:25
Speaker 2: We did have a nice little chat, but I don't
34:27
Speaker 2: remember all the details. Probably not appropriate to go into
34:30
Speaker 2: those details.
34:31
Speaker 1: But you did advise him, along with other scientists over
34:35
Speaker 1: a few years.
34:37
Speaker 2: Yes, and at his Aide advisory panel and with my
34:42
Speaker 2: friend deceased friend Sam Schlango, doctor Sam Chlango. He was
34:47
Speaker 2: really really close to Becky And yeah, Becky was a
34:52
Speaker 2: great guy. I don't even know if he's still alive. Yeah, well,
34:56
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that. I just wish I could
34:59
Speaker 2: get in com by that man, you know, telling how
35:03
Speaker 2: much I appreciate what he did, when he tried to
35:05
Speaker 2: do and what happened to him. He was like one
35:07
Speaker 2: of us, like Peter Newsburger, me and Becky. I mean,
35:10
Speaker 2: the powers are out there. They want to maintain this hoax.
35:13
Speaker 2: You know, they got after him, and if you can
35:17
Speaker 2: go after head of state, you know, you go after
35:19
Speaker 2: anybody the ideas to shut it down, shut down the information.
35:23
Speaker 2: And they did a pretty effective job of that because
35:26
Speaker 2: his aide advisory penalty. And that's in my new book.
35:29
Speaker 2: The part that I was participated in never started off,
35:33
Speaker 2: never got it, before it even got going, it was
35:37
Speaker 2: shut down. I'm convinced it was the United States when
35:40
Speaker 2: they had these three black Americans and dark suits that
35:44
Speaker 2: came in just as it was starting. They sat down,
35:47
Speaker 2: they wouldn't talk, They wouldn't identify who they were, where
35:50
Speaker 2: they come from, or anything. And we learned later it's
35:55
Speaker 2: kept from the US and and that came there. And
36:01
Speaker 2: my personal feeling is that those guys were there to
36:06
Speaker 2: intimidate not the critics of the HIV, but intimidate the
36:10
Speaker 2: two thirds of the panel who are there to support
36:13
Speaker 2: the contagious HIV hypothesis. They were I guarantee you, they
36:17
Speaker 2: were all told in advance of what not to do
36:21
Speaker 2: and to shut it down, all right, And the I
36:26
Speaker 2: guarantee you those three very big, very dark Americans. You know,
36:32
Speaker 2: they're ten further south in South Africa, but in the
36:37
Speaker 2: middle of like Congo or something. They're very very dark.
36:40
Speaker 2: And all three of these guys were very very dark,
36:42
Speaker 2: and the darkness big and intimidating, didn't say anything, and
36:48
Speaker 2: I think they were the reminders of those the mainstream
36:52
Speaker 2: people there to keep their mouths shut, don't let this
36:55
Speaker 2: go anywhere. And it worked. Peter Deusburg was going to
36:59
Speaker 2: be the speaker. He was invited to be introduced as
37:04
Speaker 2: the first speaker of the panel, and somebody of the
37:07
Speaker 2: mainstream jumped up really loud and said, no presentations, no presentations,
37:13
Speaker 2: you know, and that almost stopped you know, every I mean,
37:18
Speaker 2: here you are, how are you going to have a
37:20
Speaker 2: meeting where you discuss something if you can't show your
37:24
Speaker 2: arguments and your evidence. And the very first speaker, you know,
37:27
Speaker 2: the world's biggest critic of the contagious HIV hypothesis, was
37:30
Speaker 2: getting ready to do his PowerPoint presentation and they said
37:33
Speaker 2: shut him down. They wouldn't let him do it, you know,
37:37
Speaker 2: And so there was more turmoil and they persisted. We
37:42
Speaker 2: were never allowed to make any presentations. They just went
37:46
Speaker 2: around the table let people make comments and everything and
37:49
Speaker 2: uh uh, but you know, there was it was phony,
37:54
Speaker 2: blooney and that that was the first round, you know.
37:58
Speaker 2: And then the other thing was we went to we're
38:01
Speaker 2: going to have a second round. The first one was
38:03
Speaker 2: in Pretoria and I think the second was in Johannesburg,
38:07
Speaker 2: And is that right as I recall that. Yeah. And
38:12
Speaker 2: so we had these supposedly these online exchanges of questions,
38:17
Speaker 2: information and communicate. Well, the mainstream people and the government
38:21
Speaker 2: set this up as a private thing link for all
38:24
Speaker 2: the presenters there to come up with the agenda for
38:29
Speaker 2: the second meeting in Johannesburg, and the mainstream people did
38:34
Speaker 2: not participate at all. They set up their own internet
38:38
Speaker 2: conversations about how they were going to proceed next time,
38:41
Speaker 2: and other people like me, we put our information out
38:45
Speaker 2: there and what we thought would be a good uh
38:48
Speaker 2: list of things to talk about in the second go round.
38:51
Speaker 2: And of course, and the government was the second time around,
38:54
Speaker 2: they were more pushy. Unfortunately it was too little, too late.
39:00
Speaker 2: They really pressed the mainstream people to make presentations. So
39:07
Speaker 2: presentations were allowed the second time around. But uh, you know,
39:13
Speaker 2: I got to talk. I mean, it just didn't work.
39:17
Speaker 2: You know, there was no enthusiasm for it. It was
39:20
Speaker 2: too mechanical. Nobody paid attention, you know, I mean, both sides. Uh,
39:25
Speaker 2: it was, it was. It was doomed from the beginning.
39:29
Speaker 1: And and then he was removed as president along with
39:33
Speaker 1: uh uh the well no, actually he's uh, the head
39:38
Speaker 1: of health wasn't removed. She died, remember montu What was
39:42
Speaker 1: her name now, I'm among yeah, I forget, I forget
39:46
Speaker 1: a full name now. It's just it's quite a long
39:47
Speaker 1: time ago.
39:48
Speaker 2: Anyway.
39:49
Speaker 1: Anyway, she was ridiculed internationally, although to be fair, she
39:54
Speaker 1: didn't present her case terribly well, but she she effectively
39:58
Speaker 1: tried to argue that the way and would you deal
40:00
Speaker 1: with AIDS was to improve your diet.
40:03
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but I mean she had no effect. Uh,
40:07
Speaker 2: you know, we went to Becky and for some help
40:10
Speaker 2: I forget, forget I think it's in my book though,
40:13
Speaker 2: and to deal with something on another thing. It wasn't
40:19
Speaker 2: It was a nutritional study that we were doing when
40:21
Speaker 2: I was back in South Africa, lived there for a
40:23
Speaker 2: year and a half or so, and uh, and Becky
40:27
Speaker 2: gave her permission to talk with us about how to
40:30
Speaker 2: proceed on this thing. And she didn't do it. You know,
40:33
Speaker 2: nothing came of it. So anyway, that's another stroke.
40:39
Speaker 1: I'll just remember her name, that's it.
40:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:46
Speaker 1: Uh. And she was the butt of many jokes as
40:50
Speaker 1: it happens, But then so was to Vicky.
40:52
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, uh yeah, I mean she Tabo had power,
40:57
Speaker 2: she didn't and uh and she didn't even try. I
41:02
Speaker 2: couldn't put this. I don't know if she tried her
41:04
Speaker 2: to do the right thing or not. I didn't see
41:06
Speaker 2: any signs of her trying to do the right for
41:09
Speaker 2: the people of South Africa. I definitely saw Becky trying
41:13
Speaker 2: to do good things, the right things for the people
41:17
Speaker 2: of South Africa. That was very, very clear. It was
41:19
Speaker 2: obviously he was so effective they had to get rid
41:21
Speaker 2: of him.
41:22
Speaker 1: And then immediately after him came in Jacob Zuma and
41:25
Speaker 1: a huge r v Rolot And it just so happened,
41:31
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know if you looked at
41:32
Speaker 1: the daughter, but in the time that he did the
41:35
Speaker 1: rov Rolot, it was around about two thousand and five thereabouts,
41:40
Speaker 1: there was a spike in death and they said it
41:44
Speaker 1: was aids deaths, but it just so happened to correlate
41:47
Speaker 1: to the erv rolot.
41:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean there was tac tac remember those
41:58
Speaker 2: she actually came action campaign and they were really I
42:03
Speaker 2: think they got Western money. They were well funded and
42:07
Speaker 2: I can't remember the number that we've heard over twenty
42:10
Speaker 2: thousand dollars or something, but they might even had a
42:13
Speaker 2: lot more than that, and they put pressure all along.
42:17
Speaker 2: And when I came back to South Africa, you know,
42:21
Speaker 2: two thousand and five and six, I think it was
42:24
Speaker 2: to help with this nutritional thing. They tried to make me.
42:29
Speaker 2: They were attacking me personally, saying I wasn't a visiting
42:33
Speaker 2: scholar at UC Berkeley where I was with Peter, and
42:37
Speaker 2: they even contacted the head of the department there and
42:40
Speaker 2: got him to say, no, I was not part of
42:43
Speaker 2: his part of UC Berkeley. But you know I had
42:46
Speaker 2: ID I put on my website. I had ID going
42:53
Speaker 2: back a couple of years, you know, I with Peter
42:55
Speaker 2: there for a long time, and I had UC Berkeley.
42:58
Speaker 2: I d so and I haven't heard a word out
43:02
Speaker 2: of it. And they used that in the court case
43:05
Speaker 2: court case against the fellow who are doing this nutritional
43:10
Speaker 2: clinical trials. I can't remember his name is German Fellow.
43:14
Speaker 2: And that's where I learned about it, because I had
43:18
Speaker 2: already gone back to the United States. In the court case,
43:20
Speaker 2: they were trying to use the fact that I was
43:23
Speaker 2: never a part of UC Berkeley. Uh and to discount
43:30
Speaker 2: the other side. We are side lost. Of course, you
43:33
Speaker 2: can't win down there, especially when there's no jury. You
43:38
Speaker 2: leave the decision in the hands of judges.
43:40
Speaker 1: Boy, and just to be k errol vs which are
43:45
Speaker 1: actually a cancer therapy, a chemotherapy or highly toxic, well.
43:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're they're extremely toxic like az T
43:56
Speaker 2: And did you know chemos therapy for cancer is the
43:58
Speaker 2: sixth leading cause of cancer in the United States? Sixth
44:02
Speaker 2: leading cause of cancer in the United States. Az T
44:06
Speaker 2: was developed. I think it was in the nineteen sixties.
44:09
Speaker 2: Airbell in the United States is chemos arapy for cancers
44:15
Speaker 2: targeting the DNA. And it was so toxic that the
44:19
Speaker 2: inventor didn't even patented, you know. And I tell you
44:23
Speaker 2: guys that they have patented anything. You know. It was
44:26
Speaker 2: so toxic into what to waste the time? So and
44:29
Speaker 2: then Peter Dewsburg, when he sus the AZT came out,
44:33
Speaker 2: he ordered a bottle of AZT from chemical Abs you know,
44:36
Speaker 2: I think might have been Sigma someplace like that, and
44:39
Speaker 2: they packed, you know, shipped him a bottle of AZT
44:43
Speaker 2: and it has this red white warning label with skull
44:48
Speaker 2: and crossbones on there. It tells you if you get
44:51
Speaker 2: exposed to it, you know, goes thee a doctor, you know,
44:54
Speaker 2: and all these different things. And then you look at
44:57
Speaker 2: the bottle of AZT they give HIV positi of people.
45:00
Speaker 2: It's a pleasant blue and white labeled, no red, skully, crossbones,
45:04
Speaker 2: you know, And they knew. I was talking to news
45:07
Speaker 2: carcentergenic and journalist John Lawrence and told me personally has
45:14
Speaker 2: a writing He says it around three hundred thousand act
45:17
Speaker 2: killed around three hundred thousand gay men in the first
45:19
Speaker 2: several years, and he told me to my face there
45:22
Speaker 2: was about three hundred and thirty thousand. You know, the
45:26
Speaker 2: AZT killed and in the United States, I mean it
45:31
Speaker 2: killed more people than AIDS did.
45:35
Speaker 1: So just to be clear, right, AIDS with all upper
45:40
Speaker 1: case letters does not exist. AIDS as an autoimmune disease
45:44
Speaker 1: and others with all lower lower case letters. That's a
45:47
Speaker 1: real thing.
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Speaker 2: You kid have acquired immune deficiency. Take drugs that depresses
45:54
Speaker 2: your immunes. Pharmaceuticals will do that, a bad diet will
45:58
Speaker 2: do There's lots of things can the pressure immune system. Uh,
46:02
Speaker 2: some are highly toxic, some are just poor diet. But
46:07
Speaker 2: chronic drug use is one of the best ways to
46:11
Speaker 2: destroy your body. And unfortunately that's what's going on here
46:15
Speaker 2: in the United States, probably lots of places, but especially your.
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Speaker 1: Chronic The reason why I said is because if somebody says,
46:22
Speaker 1: does AIDS exist, the answer is yes.
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Speaker 2: But yes, it's not contagious acquired immune deficiency syndrome. There's
46:31
Speaker 2: no contagious agent that does that, like a virus or anything.
46:35
Speaker 2: But if you take a lot of drugs, recreational drugs,
46:38
Speaker 2: if you take AZT, you know, you know, that's acquired
46:44
Speaker 2: immune deficiency. Take a lot of injections. That's acquired immune deficiency.
46:50
Speaker 1: I'll beg your port. I said auto immune. I mean
46:52
Speaker 1: to say.
46:52
Speaker 2: Acquiet acquired acquired immune deficiency. Yeah, so you can acquire
46:58
Speaker 2: immune deficiency. It's just not transmissible, it's not organism.
47:04
Speaker 1: Listen to this. The hiva's industry is enormous, easily over
47:08
Speaker 1: seventy five to eighty billion US dollars a year when
47:12
Speaker 1: you add up drugs, government spending, international aid, diagnostics, and philanthropy.
47:16
Speaker 1: One company, Gilead Sciences alone pulled in eighty twenty billion
47:21
Speaker 1: dollars from HIV drugs in twenty twenty four. The US
47:24
Speaker 1: government has spent over one hundred billion dollars through PEPFAR
47:30
Speaker 1: alone since two thousand and three. This is one of
47:33
Speaker 1: the most heavily funded single disease industries in history.
47:38
Speaker 2: It's truly a dollar industry. Now. I mean not only that,
47:41
Speaker 2: but the people that are injured, you know, the hospitals,
47:44
Speaker 2: every all the consequences of those drugs are also added.
47:49
Speaker 2: You know, the people that get injured by those things,
47:53
Speaker 2: there's billions of dollars to treat them and.
47:56
Speaker 1: Take you listen to this. The market is growing CHIV
48:00
Speaker 1: AIDS marketers growing at roughly three point five to six
48:03
Speaker 1: percent per year.
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Speaker 2: Well, you got a trillion dollar industry, you know, multi
48:08
Speaker 2: trillion dollar. The healthcare industry in the United States is
48:11
Speaker 2: the biggest course that has a huge global impact too.
48:14
Speaker 2: And you can do it if you have that kind
48:16
Speaker 2: of money that's poisoned to a society. Concentrated wealth at
48:22
Speaker 2: that level is the societal poison that we're suffering from
48:26
Speaker 2: right now. You can get away with literally murder. In fact,
48:30
Speaker 2: that's how they make more money. The more people they
48:31
Speaker 2: entered and kill, the more money they make. It's that simple,
48:35
Speaker 2: and it's been going for decades.
48:37
Speaker 1: He has an interesting bit of trivia Trump's twenty twenty
48:40
Speaker 1: five funding freeze on PEP fold, which I believe stands
48:44
Speaker 1: for the President's emergency plan for AIDS relief through the
48:47
Speaker 1: entire global HIV infrastructure into crisis almost immediately. I don't
48:51
Speaker 1: know you did that. That's interesting.
48:53
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't need but I don't pay any attention
48:55
Speaker 2: to what he does now or any politician. I mean,
49:00
Speaker 2: you know, I waste my time on that. There there
49:03
Speaker 2: irrelevant in the sense of tracking what we have to do,
49:07
Speaker 2: and I'm serious about this, is that the here and
49:11
Speaker 2: I can talk about the United States because I understand
49:14
Speaker 2: what's going on here. It is the institutionals society in
49:19
Speaker 2: the United States on the national level is could put
49:23
Speaker 2: is rotten to the core. It cannot be rebuilt or corrected.
49:28
Speaker 2: It's two It's like if you have a house that's
49:31
Speaker 2: got all this mold and rotting the boards and everything.
49:34
Speaker 2: You don't repair it, you bulldoze it, and you rebuild.
49:38
Speaker 2: And that's what we're going to have to do in
49:40
Speaker 2: the United States. Is that. Uh you may have heard about,
49:45
Speaker 2: you know, one of the provinces in Canada wants to
49:47
Speaker 2: become a state in the United States, and some of
49:50
Speaker 2: the states in the United States want to pull out,
49:52
Speaker 2: you know, and leave the Union. And this kind of
49:54
Speaker 2: thing is happening in all of the war right now,
49:56
Speaker 2: and this natural has to be expected, and frankly, that's
50:00
Speaker 2: right thing to do. And I could go on. This
50:04
Speaker 2: is another topic like about you know, how to I
50:09
Speaker 2: put decades into understanding this and thinking about what to
50:12
Speaker 2: do about it. But I would keep our constitution. I
50:16
Speaker 2: think that as a piece of paper into print, principles
50:20
Speaker 2: are good. But this large centralized government. Whenever you have
50:24
Speaker 2: a huge centralized government, it can never work. They always
50:27
Speaker 2: fail historically for thousands of years that this has been
50:32
Speaker 2: going on. It's no mystery there. And concentrated wealth as
50:36
Speaker 2: well as the biggie. You get this huge concentrated wealth
50:40
Speaker 2: and it just destroys the society. And and that's what's
50:45
Speaker 2: going on right now. And I think the size of
50:50
Speaker 2: the American states are probably ideal for governing on a
50:55
Speaker 2: local basis, and you might be able to have sort
50:58
Speaker 2: of like a federation of our states, but not a
51:00
Speaker 2: federal government, you know, not a centralized government. It's where
51:04
Speaker 2: the states are next to each other and close, you know,
51:06
Speaker 2: to get together and work things out. You know, they
51:09
Speaker 2: can either agree to do it or not do it
51:10
Speaker 2: or whatever. But it's local. The thing I understood that
51:15
Speaker 2: as early as nineteen eighty that you do not want
51:20
Speaker 2: people in power over you who want the job, all right.
51:25
Speaker 2: And how I got started thinking about that was I
51:30
Speaker 2: realized I didn't know anybody who could run for office,
51:36
Speaker 2: like for Senate or the House of Representatives, you know,
51:39
Speaker 2: and I didn't know anybody who knew anybody in those days,
51:44
Speaker 2: you know, they could do that, and I realized that
51:46
Speaker 2: cannot work. I didn't know all the ramifications by I
51:49
Speaker 2: knew that could not work. And I was right. And
51:52
Speaker 2: I stopped voting in nineteen eighty because I realized it
51:55
Speaker 2: was totally appointless. You were voting for people who wanted
51:58
Speaker 2: the job. And I don't know any of those people.
52:00
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who does know those people, you know,
52:03
Speaker 2: so it makes no sense. And uh, and even in
52:07
Speaker 2: the states that are extremely wealthy, wealthy like California and
52:10
Speaker 2: New York, and even here in North Carolina, where and
52:14
Speaker 2: lots of money is involved. And again, the people that
52:17
Speaker 2: are in power are the ones that are already rich.
52:20
Speaker 2: You know, they're already they have vested interest, you know.
52:23
Speaker 2: And but at least on a small scale, it's you
52:27
Speaker 2: can deal with it a lot better. At large scale,
52:29
Speaker 2: we're going we're going to have to really reduce the
52:32
Speaker 2: sizes and not allow us concentrated, centralized growth of wealth.
52:38
Speaker 2: It's poison and and it will kill us.
52:42
Speaker 1: Just so that I can horst you to the beginning
52:44
Speaker 1: of the conversation, HIV AIDS doesn't exist. AIDS exists, but
52:50
Speaker 1: it's all caused by HIV.
52:52
Speaker 2: Right, it's chemically induced recreational drugs in the gay men,
52:57
Speaker 2: I be, drugs in the well used to be aids,
53:00
Speaker 2: you know. I mean it really had symptoms of drug use,
53:04
Speaker 2: Caposi sarcoma on the throat neck of gay men from
53:09
Speaker 2: inhaling the highly toxic carcinogenic nitric inhalens, you know, and
53:14
Speaker 2: the IV drug users are injecting it into the in
53:16
Speaker 2: the system. They had their there there were drug diseases
53:19
Speaker 2: and they were induced, chemically induced, and it made them
53:23
Speaker 2: sick and it could kill them, you know, that's a
53:27
Speaker 2: and it probably destroyed their immune system too as a consequence.
53:31
Speaker 1: So if people want to remove the entire narrative, they
53:35
Speaker 1: must stop going for tests.
53:37
Speaker 2: Oh yes, absolutely, yeah. And you know, people asked me
53:41
Speaker 2: what I do. I say, I don't go to doctors
53:43
Speaker 2: and I don't take drugs. That's how I still stay healthy.
53:47
Speaker 2: Back back in the old days, when I was a kid,
53:49
Speaker 2: the physicians had their own practice. They were individuals. You know,
53:53
Speaker 2: you could trust them, you know, as individuals. They knew them,
53:57
Speaker 2: you grew up with them and everything. Now it's all
54:00
Speaker 2: these institutions and these and these institutions have these protocols
54:05
Speaker 2: protocols are think about that. Protocols are this logical sequence
54:10
Speaker 2: of stuff that somebody's putting together. It's like a computer.
54:13
Speaker 2: The idea of a protocol is it takes the individual
54:17
Speaker 2: out of it. You've got to follow this. It doesn't
54:19
Speaker 2: matter who you are, even it could be a computer.
54:21
Speaker 2: It doesn't even have to be a human being. If
54:23
Speaker 2: somebody comes in with this, you do this test, you
54:25
Speaker 2: do that test, and you move on this way. If
54:27
Speaker 2: it goes that way, that the protocol takes it left, it
54:29
Speaker 2: takes it right. You know, it's not the person. It's
54:32
Speaker 2: not the doctor. When my brother was in he went
54:36
Speaker 2: to Vietnaminie, came back, had very successful life. And then
54:40
Speaker 2: when he was in the hospital, they at the VA
54:45
Speaker 2: hospital and I got his the death records, all his records,
54:49
Speaker 2: hospital records. There were thirty different doctors who were working
54:53
Speaker 2: on you. Not one of them was in charge. Not
54:56
Speaker 2: one of them was in charge. It's all these specialists,
54:58
Speaker 2: you know. And and then one day they put a
55:01
Speaker 2: feeding tube down his throat and they poked a hoolas
55:05
Speaker 2: intestine and he died of stept to see me it
55:07
Speaker 2: in two days. You know, that was a machine that
55:12
Speaker 2: killed him and the people nowadays, if they go into
55:15
Speaker 2: the centralized healthcare system like a hospital or something where
55:19
Speaker 2: they have protocols. Soon as you hear the word protocol,
55:22
Speaker 2: turn around, run for your life, you know, because the
55:26
Speaker 2: machine is going to do stuff to you, whether it's
55:28
Speaker 2: good or bad, whether you want to or not. And
55:31
Speaker 2: you talk to the people who actually work in these
55:33
Speaker 2: places and they will confirm that.
55:36
Speaker 1: The thing, though, David, is that there are a lot
55:39
Speaker 1: of very good doctors and nurses and scientists who do
55:44
Speaker 1: buy into the narrative. You don't want to be too
55:48
Speaker 1: harsh on them because they don't know any better.
55:52
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I mean I don't have word at war,
55:56
Speaker 2: you know, and times running out you I know what
56:02
Speaker 2: you said. I saw this in the nineties when I
56:06
Speaker 2: was a Peter at UC Berkeley and saw the people there,
56:09
Speaker 2: his colleagues, people eat other people who were ten were
56:14
Speaker 2: tenured or whatever. They would come into his office. They
56:17
Speaker 2: talked to Peter to be friends, and they apologized that
56:20
Speaker 2: could not join him, even though they agreed with him
56:23
Speaker 2: about the aid stuff. They said they couldn't go public.
56:28
Speaker 2: And then the other people who didn't have tenure they
56:30
Speaker 2: could get thrown out real quick. You know, look what
56:33
Speaker 2: they did to a tenured person. They killed all his funding.
56:36
Speaker 2: They couldn't fir him, they killed all his funding, you know,
56:40
Speaker 2: only allowed him to teach undergraduate students instead of the
56:43
Speaker 2: graduate students. You know, so they would punish you. You know,
56:48
Speaker 2: there's a great book, let me go to my home
56:51
Speaker 2: Patriot back here, Dave, and I've got it listed on here.
56:56
Speaker 2: It's called Disciplined Mind of My Home Age by Jeff Schmidt,
57:02
Speaker 2: a critical look at salary professionals and the soul battering
57:06
Speaker 2: system that shapes their lives. I witnessed that firsthand, and
57:12
Speaker 2: it's all the pressure. Think about medical students people. I
57:14
Speaker 2: saw this when I was in the school. You know,
57:16
Speaker 2: with people who wanted to go to med school, their
57:18
Speaker 2: lives were controlled and intimidated all the way through. You know,
57:23
Speaker 2: with scientists it wasn't so bad. Every different profession has
57:27
Speaker 2: different controls and pressures to control you. And like, if
57:30
Speaker 2: you're a professor, you know, tenure is it. You don't
57:33
Speaker 2: want to lose the chance to get tenure, and then
57:36
Speaker 2: so there's this pressure to make you conform. I'm not
57:39
Speaker 2: saying these people are bad people. I'm just saying that
57:44
Speaker 2: you know, there's consequences to your choices, the things you
57:47
Speaker 2: want to do, and you either live with it or
57:49
Speaker 2: you don't. Now, some of the people use these things
57:52
Speaker 2: maliciously and they're bad people. The other people are just
57:56
Speaker 2: basically cowards, you know. They're they're going along to get along,
58:02
Speaker 2: and I don't want to judge them, you know, but
58:05
Speaker 2: I'm not going to support them either.
58:08
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're coming in for the final lap year, David,
58:12
Speaker 1: what is the moral of the story.
58:16
Speaker 2: Well, the moral of the story is a society is collapsing,
58:21
Speaker 2: all right, and it has been. I've watched it in
58:24
Speaker 2: the process of collapsing. I didn't know how serious it
58:28
Speaker 2: was going to be when it started out, but I
58:30
Speaker 2: assure it. With the age thing that was the first
58:33
Speaker 2: that how something so obvious could be so controlled and
58:39
Speaker 2: manipulated at the highest levels that the public wouldn't know
58:44
Speaker 2: about it, you know, and the people who didn't know
58:47
Speaker 2: about it wouldn't talk about it, you know. And this
58:50
Speaker 2: was back in the eighties. And now the same pressure
58:53
Speaker 2: that was doing that to professionals and still is to
58:56
Speaker 2: this day even more so, is expanding to all of society.
59:01
Speaker 2: So the thing of it is is that society is
59:04
Speaker 2: progressing to towards the same thing that it always has
59:07
Speaker 2: in my lifetime, to the point where it's going to crash,
59:11
Speaker 2: just like societies have for thousands of years, big big,
59:15
Speaker 2: centralized soncieties. And that's coming, and it's already here. We're
59:19
Speaker 2: in the process of it right now. And you know,
59:22
Speaker 2: you're going to have to fight for yourself, for your families,
59:26
Speaker 2: for your neighbors. You're going to you know, and that's
59:29
Speaker 2: where we're at. You know, it's going to take more
59:32
Speaker 2: than just information, although that's crucial, crucial. I spent most
59:35
Speaker 2: of my time ever since February twenty third, I've done
59:39
Speaker 2: nothing but join this war and try to understand what's
59:41
Speaker 2: going on, do these zoom things and everything, so, you know,
59:44
Speaker 2: and more and more people I've seen more and more
59:46
Speaker 2: people now are getting it.
59:49
Speaker 1: And also HIV AIDS is a hoax, as a.
59:53
Speaker 2: Hoax, always a hoax. Everything Fauci did was a hoax, AIDS, Zeka, Ebola,
59:59
Speaker 2: Sar's murder, all of them, they're all hopes. Hey, you
1:00:03
Speaker 2: gotta wave it.
1:00:06
Speaker 1: All right, You've said it a couple of times. David
1:00:08
Speaker 1: Rasnik dot com, that's your website.
1:00:10
Speaker 2: That's it. And I got forty years of material on
1:00:14
Speaker 2: their cancer, on AIDS, and a lot of other things
1:00:18
Speaker 2: about society and so on and so forth. You can
1:00:20
Speaker 2: download things and it's depth upon depth upon depth. You'll
1:00:24
Speaker 2: get saturated, i'm sure.
1:00:28
Speaker 1: David Rasnik, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
1:00:31
Speaker 2: It's good to be with you.