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Speaker 1: Jus the good report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight Pauling Hanson is destroying the Coalition in the latest polls,
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Speaker 2: and she now wants to Strange to see her as
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Speaker 2: an alternative government. She'll talk to me from Florida, where
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Speaker 2: she's spending time in Donald Trump's home. Also tonight, more apartheid.
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Speaker 2: The Albanezi government says one race can now get aged
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Speaker 2: care fifteen years before everyone else. Plus the shocking stabbing
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Speaker 2: attack on a London bound train will bring you the latest.
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Speaker 2: And speaking of Trump, the US President threatens to invade
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Speaker 2: Nigeria to stop the murder of Christians after a past
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Speaker 2: was filmed in a mass grave pleading for help to
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Speaker 2: stop what he calls a Christian genocide. But first, Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee is now finished in the Federal Liberal Party. She
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Speaker 2: ar Lee's faces a wipeout at the next election. The
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Speaker 2: Nationals too, with Coalition voters switching in drove Sir paul
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Speaker 2: In Hansen's One Nation Party instead. Today's news poll is
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Speaker 2: just devastating for Lee and the Liberals, which she's the
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Speaker 2: first woman to lead the Liberals and is now proof
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Speaker 2: that what counts in politics really isn't gender but real leadership.
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Speaker 2: Now after preferences. The Liberals are way behind Labor, just
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Speaker 2: forty three percent to Labour's fifty seven But much worse
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Speaker 2: in these numbers is that the Liberals primary voters now
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Speaker 2: the lowest has ever recorded, just twenty four percent, after
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Speaker 2: it lost another four points in the past month, all
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Speaker 2: of which went to One Nation instead, giving that party
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Speaker 2: its highest ever supporting news poll in more than twenty years.
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Speaker 2: Or you could put it this way, of every four
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Speaker 2: people who voted for the Coalition at the May election,
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Speaker 2: one of those four now won't. They are instead backing
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Speaker 2: Paul In Hanson's One Nation, who's pot has gone up
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Speaker 2: since the election as much as the coalitions has fallen.
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Speaker 2: There's a straight switch, and for a simple reason, the
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Speaker 2: Coalition now looks weak, divided and two left wing and
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Speaker 2: One Nation clearly doesn't. So this is an existential crisis
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Speaker 2: for the Liberals, and simply changing leaders I don't think
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Speaker 2: it's going to help much because, for a start, who
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Speaker 2: would actually replace Susan Lee, I mean, Andrew Hasty still
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Speaker 2: lacks the experience or media skills to pull it off
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Speaker 2: and is finding his time sensibly and shutou Defense Minister
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor still I'm afraid lacks that leadership vibe, but
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Speaker 2: no doubt it's even in a hurry to inherit this mess.
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Speaker 2: So really a new face or a new spin just
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Speaker 2: that that's not going to save the Liberals. The coalition
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Speaker 2: is instead shock going to have to do the hard
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Speaker 2: work of changing tack, of getting on the side of
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Speaker 2: the science of history and of the national interest and
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Speaker 2: arguing for climate policies that right now seem unpopular, and
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Speaker 2: arguing for them every day. Now it's crystal clear, of course,
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Speaker 2: the policies that are destroying the coalition, which I think
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Speaker 2: has got to now realize the evidence is right there
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Speaker 2: that labor isn't the real threat now. In fact, labor
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Speaker 2: isn't even popular itself. It's got a primary vote of
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Speaker 2: just thirty six percent. So one of the two policies
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Speaker 2: i'd say that are destroying the Liberals, well, one of
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Speaker 2: them is immigration. The coalition just that has an infirm
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Speaker 2: or definitive about slashing immigration, like it's too scared of
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Speaker 2: seeming right wing. And the second, of course is global warming,
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Speaker 2: the disastrous and the zero target. Well, once again the
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Speaker 2: liberals have also been too scared to oppose. You know,
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Speaker 2: oh we're going to lose even more since the Teals
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Speaker 2: have we scraped the IT zero target that hello is
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Speaker 2: driving energy bills through the roof and destroying a heavy industry.
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Speaker 2: In contrasts, of course, One Nations sist we slash immigration
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Speaker 2: much more and scrapped than its zero target that the
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Speaker 2: Coalition stupidly signed up to in twenty twenty one under
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Speaker 2: promise Scott Morrison. I mean, wasn't that dumb? Think about it?
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Speaker 2: You know, the Liberals freaked then that if they didn't
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Speaker 2: go net zero that'd be destroyed, so they went near
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Speaker 2: zero and they have been destroyed. But now this pressure
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Speaker 2: from Pauline Hanson and by Nation yesterday forced the Nationals
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Speaker 2: to at least cave in and dropped that target of
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Speaker 2: a zero by twenty fifty, and it's instead going to
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Speaker 2: cut emissions a bit less, in line with what other
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Speaker 2: developed countries are actually doing and not just promising.
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Speaker 3: And I'm proud to say that our party room has
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Speaker 3: got to unanimous position of scrapping that zero commit it's
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Speaker 3: by twenty fifty. We continue to believe that we need
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Speaker 3: to reduce emissions, but we've got to do it in
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Speaker 3: a better fare and cheaper way for all Australians, and
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Speaker 3: what we are going to say is that we believe
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Speaker 3: that we can peg ourselves for the rest of the world.
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Speaker 3: We're not going to be a lagged but we're not
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Speaker 3: going to streak ahead now.
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Speaker 2: And now there's massive pressure for Susan Lee to do
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Speaker 2: the same or face the disasters, split with the Nationals,
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Speaker 2: or even to split within the Liberals themselves between those
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Speaker 2: who say that zero is a disaster for Australia and
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Speaker 2: those who say, well, you know, if we do that,
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Speaker 2: it'll be disastrous for our party. Now this split is
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Speaker 2: so profound between liberals who have convictions and liberals who
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Speaker 2: have cowardice that Lee and or Energy spokesman Danteene are
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Speaker 2: begging for even more time to somehow muddle through and
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Speaker 2: sort it all out or wait for something to turn up,
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Speaker 2: all of which just signals weakness and indecision.
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Speaker 4: I've always said it'll be six to nine months.
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Speaker 2: I ideally love to be able to do it tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: but I've always said we've got to get it right now.
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Speaker 2: Let me underline this point that none of the Liberals
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Speaker 2: who say the party should keep the net zero promise
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Speaker 2: actually claim the list that I've heard that net zero
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Speaker 2: is going to save Australia from droughts and cyclones and
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Speaker 2: floods and frying to death, because clearly it won't. We're
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Speaker 2: too small and they know it. They're simply worried. The
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Speaker 2: net zero is popular with voters and they have no
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Speaker 2: faith in the Liberal's ability to change minds, nor do
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Speaker 2: they seem to be bothered even training. And I think
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Speaker 2: this is the argument of cowards and opportunists, of people
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Speaker 2: who chase poles, don't try to shape poles. And to them,
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Speaker 2: I want to point out something, as I've a ready said,
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Speaker 2: they are being destroyed right now by jumping on the
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Speaker 2: net zero bandwagon, because it makes the Liberals seeing fake
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Speaker 2: and insincere. Anyway, they already lost the last selection, now
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Speaker 2: they look like losing the coalition as well as the
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Speaker 2: next election. Now to these pole chasers, I would point
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Speaker 2: out something else that should, finally, I hope, give them courage. Flash.
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Speaker 2: Peak climate hysteria is over, Peak net zero is over.
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Speaker 2: The world is moving on because the cost of net
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Speaker 2: zero is just too high and the benefits are too small.
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Speaker 2: A few people now believe all these scary claims about
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Speaker 2: you know, we'll all fry in our beds and all that.
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Speaker 2: The signs of this exhaustion with net zero are everywhere
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Speaker 2: here and abroad here. The Net Zero Australia Coalition Global
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Speaker 2: Warming and Energy Experts has already admitted that switching to
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Speaker 2: net zero would need us to invest a colossal seven
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Speaker 2: to nine trillion dollars trillion, not billion trillion over the
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Speaker 2: next thirty five years, as well as giving up the
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Speaker 2: cheap fossil fuels that drive economy. And of course that's crazy.
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Speaker 2: And remember all that, and the climate still won't change
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Speaker 2: by anything you could measure because we're too small. So
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Speaker 2: former liberal prime ministers such as John Howard and even
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison now are calling out the manners suspending all
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Speaker 2: that money, of seeing power bills explode, and of giving
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Speaker 2: up the fossil fuels that our industry needs.
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Speaker 5: I think the world is making a mistake by sort
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Speaker 5: of going overboard about climate change. I'm doubtful that nan
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Speaker 5: zero is worth the price we're paying for.
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Speaker 2: Times have changed.
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Speaker 3: I don't think twenty fifty is probably any longer achievable.
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Speaker 2: Oh stun last week to see that even our public
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Speaker 2: servants are being told the game is up. There's a
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Speaker 2: application called the Mandarin. It's aimed at public servants. It's
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Speaker 2: got a reach of one and a half million readers,
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Speaker 2: so it's pretty big. Last week published a piece by
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Speaker 2: two economics professors warning the politics of climate change, often
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Speaker 2: marked by apocalyptic rhetoric, moral posturing, and costly symbolism, appears
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Speaker 2: to have peaked. Fun fact that they have noticed and
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Speaker 2: they're right, because people are moving on. You just look
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Speaker 2: overseas global warming guru Greta Tunbu. She now protests against
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Speaker 2: Israel instead. Microsoft tycoon Bill Gates, who wrote a book
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Speaker 2: about the global waring threat, last week, admitted climate change
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Speaker 2: will not actually lead to humanities the Mars people will
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Speaker 2: actually be able to thrive in most places on Earth
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Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future. So he says, why don't we
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Speaker 2: just focus more on adapting to a warmer world than
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Speaker 2: trying to stop the warming. Now, everywhere you look there
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Speaker 2: is exhaustion with that net zero cult. You've got Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump pulling the United States out of the Paris Climate Agreement.
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Speaker 2: You've got fewer than sixty world leaders now bothering this
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Speaker 2: time to go to next week's annual United Nations Climate Summer.
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Speaker 2: This sum in Brazil, green hydrogen projects. You know, we
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Speaker 2: were told they'd be produced the miracle green power that
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Speaker 2: it save us. They've largely collapsed or stored. European car
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Speaker 2: manufacturers are slowing or scrapping their push to build electric cars.
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Speaker 2: The Global Warning or the Global Net zero Banking Alliance
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Speaker 2: that was one hundred and fifty banks or financial institutions,
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Speaker 2: that's just shut down for lack of interest. In Britain,
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Speaker 2: even former British Labor Prime Minister to Tony Blair amidst
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Speaker 2: that currently zero policies doomed to fail and is right.
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Speaker 2: Get this amazing fact. The world is so far spent
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Speaker 2: more than twenty trillion dollars over the past thirty three
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Speaker 2: years on renewables like wind and solar and so on,
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Speaker 2: but their share of global energy grew by just two
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Speaker 2: percentage points from twelve percent to fourteen. I mean this
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Speaker 2: that zero crusade is a fraud. Yet here in Australia
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Speaker 2: it's still treated as a holy target. That's beyond reason
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Speaker 2: and beyond debate. But the world is now shifting, and
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Speaker 2: I'd suggest the liberals shift with it, or they could
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Speaker 2: stick with net zero and become net zero themselves. Now true,
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Speaker 2: we are still more than two years from an election,
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Speaker 2: and anything could happen, probably will. But right now Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hanson is the biggest threat to the coalition fifteen percent
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Speaker 2: in today's newspat and her success is actually getting noticed overseas.
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Speaker 2: Now She's in the US to address a huge conservative
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Speaker 2: conference and schmooze at Donald Trump's home mar Lago, where
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Speaker 2: she was spotted yesterday and last Friday the US President's
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Speaker 2: Halloween party along with Australia's rigius woman mining magnet Gina Reinhardt,
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Speaker 2: seen there on the right channing with Trump like they
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Speaker 2: were old friends, and which made me think maybe Rheinhardt
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Speaker 2: should be our next ambassador to replace Given Rudd. Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hansen joined me earlier from Florida. Pauline Hansen, thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for your time before I get to today's
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Speaker 2: shock poll. You've been at Donald Trump's mari Lago home today.
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Speaker 2: What are you doing there?
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Speaker 6: I have, and I've come over to America. I'm actually
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Speaker 6: going to speak at Seapack on Tuesday, so I'm very
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Speaker 6: pleased about that to have a voice at Seapack.
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Speaker 1: So it'd be tremendous. So I did speak in the Brisbane.
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Speaker 6: Seapack, So I'm very pleased to speaking in America for that.
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Speaker 1: And yes, it was lovely to.
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Speaker 6: Actually been at that function on Friday night for Halloween,
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Speaker 6: so it was a great night.
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Speaker 2: So that's two times you've been at Donald Trump's house.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Seapack. That's a very influential conservative political action
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Speaker 2: conference over there. You're about to give a speech there.
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Speaker 2: Correct me if i'm Ron Pauline. This seems to me
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Speaker 2: to be your first big speech overseas, which suggests your
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Speaker 2: success seems to have got international attention.
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Speaker 6: Well, it is correct, it will be my first speech overseas.
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Speaker 6: I'm very pleas to have been invited to speak at
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Speaker 6: it because I think it's very well attended and this
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Speaker 6: is going to be in Florida, so it's very important
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Speaker 6: to me to be there on behalf of Australian speaking
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Speaker 6: on behalf of many Australians at this conference.
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Speaker 2: Well to the News poll today, you've now got your
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Speaker 2: highest ever level supporting News poll fifteen percent. That's after
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Speaker 2: you picked up four points where the Coalition lost four points. Well,
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Speaker 2: that obviously seems a direct transfer of Coalition voters to you.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think that's happened?
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Speaker 1: Andrew.
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Speaker 6: I think the majority of the Australian people are fed
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Speaker 6: up with the major political party, especially Labor and also
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Speaker 6: the Coalition who seem as if they don't have policies
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Speaker 6: to put out there to the people. And it was
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Speaker 6: proven the last election they had no sound policies that
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Speaker 6: were connecting with the Australian people. What they're not addressing
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Speaker 6: is mass migration and also climate change and climate change
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Speaker 6: and the scam that's been going on. It's affecting many Australians,
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Speaker 6: whether it's industry's manufacturing, small business, the farming sector, through
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Speaker 6: the mining, so everyone's been affected by it. To head
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Speaker 6: down path of the carbon emissions is destroying our economy
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Speaker 6: and people are struggling and we're going into poverty. Many
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Speaker 6: Australians are finding the poverty and they want change and
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Speaker 6: they want the truth. Andrew, they want the truth from
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Speaker 6: their members of Parliament. I've always been upfront, truthful with
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Speaker 6: the people. I've given them my opinions, the policies, and
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Speaker 6: the people are saying, hey, we've got to start listening
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Speaker 6: and taking note of what one nation has to offer.
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Speaker 2: You think the Opposition under Susan Lee is not being truthful.
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Speaker 6: I don't think they're being upfront with the people. And
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Speaker 6: you know too, I think they're sitting on the fence.
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Speaker 6: They're listening to some people they want to, you know,
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Speaker 6: gather those ones on the left side and the moderates
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Speaker 6: who are pushing Susan Lee to.
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Speaker 1: Hold this line on this net zero.
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Speaker 6: It's destroying our country, pure and simple. You can actually
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Speaker 6: look at it for one percent of missions when we
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Speaker 6: look at other countries and powering head like China and
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Speaker 6: over thirty percent emissions. It's just ridiculous to head on
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Speaker 6: this path. Get out of the Paris Agreement. Understand the
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Speaker 6: damage is due in too our country. It shouldn't see
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Speaker 6: manufacturing shutting down. Over fourteen hundred have actually gotten solved
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Speaker 6: in in year twenty twenty three. You've got thirty thousand
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Speaker 6: small businesses gone under. You've got people who can't afford
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Speaker 6: to pay their power bills.
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Speaker 1: And it shouldn't be happening in a country like this.
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Speaker 6: Andrew, this is due to government policies and they are both.
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Speaker 1: Clearly not listening to the Australian people.
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Speaker 2: Well, you should spook the National Party at least, and
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Speaker 2: I saw today a report. Oh well, the Nationals have
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Speaker 2: now thwarted you by themselves scrapping the target that they
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Speaker 2: accepted in twenty twenty one of net zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 2: They still promise that it cuts emissions, but not quite
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Speaker 2: so deep. Is this going to stop them, save them
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Speaker 2: from having their supporters move to one nation? Do you think.
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 6: I don't think so, because they're still headed down the path.
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Speaker 6: I'm saying get out of it completely. I'm saying, get
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Speaker 6: out of the Paris Agreement when you've got the rest
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Speaker 6: of the world, who's actually the missions that they have
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Speaker 6: andrew We've you know, we've cut back twenty four percent
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Speaker 6: on our missions of the two thousand and five emissions,
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Speaker 6: whereas the rest of the world is on fourteen percent.
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Speaker 6: Why don't we keep driving ourselves into the ground, destroying
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Speaker 6: our economy for what the rest of the world as
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Speaker 6: signed up to the Paris Agreement. Us pulled out of it,
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Speaker 6: but we're still.
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Speaker 1: Carrying on with this agreement. Yet the other countries aren't
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Speaker 1: pulling their weight yet we are. It's just ridiculous.
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Speaker 6: My concern is for these strand people, their lifestyle, they
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Speaker 6: stand up living their way of life. I want to
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Speaker 6: see our country prosper and we cannot do it under
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Speaker 6: net zero, and we're going to lose our biggest employer
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Speaker 6: of people in this country. And what gives us revenue
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Speaker 6: into the country is the mining sector.
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Speaker 1: They're all going to be affected by this as well.
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Speaker 1: And then you've got the farming.
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Speaker 6: Sector, the agricultural sector that exports overseas. The farmers are
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Speaker 6: going under because they can't hold electricity for irrigation and
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Speaker 6: other purposes to run their farms and properties.
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Speaker 1: This is all due to labor.
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Speaker 6: And therefore I'm going to keep telling people that they
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Speaker 6: need to change their views and stop voting for labor.
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Speaker 1: And the Libs are no better.
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Speaker 2: Well, you've also freaked the Nationals. I mean a lot
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Speaker 2: of this crisis has come from the president. You put
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Speaker 2: on the Nationals on the zero. They've now flipped partially
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Speaker 2: and that in turn puts pressure on Susan Lee and
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Speaker 2: the Liberals. You've now got four senators, which is a
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Speaker 2: good result from the last election, but after the next election,
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Speaker 2: I think you'll have six or seven. The Nationals have
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Speaker 2: only got four. Now you're going to win your seat
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Speaker 2: in Queensland. That's almost guaranteed. Barnaby Joys will probably win
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Speaker 2: in New South Wales, your daughter, he looks a good
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Speaker 2: chance in Tasmania. Boy, you know, seven seats is going
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Speaker 2: to give you real clout in the Senate after the
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Speaker 2: next election if these numbers hold up.
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Speaker 6: If they do, but still two years outside the election, Andrew,
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Speaker 6: and I don't count much chickens before they hatch.
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Speaker 1: So it's about a lot of work that we need
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Speaker 1: to put into it.
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Speaker 6: We've got a South Austraians state election March, and we've
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Speaker 6: got the Victorian election, and I'm going to tell the
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Speaker 6: people in Victoria, I'm actually will be standing candidates in
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Speaker 6: that state election because it is a basket case in
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Speaker 6: Victoria and the Labor Party need to go, So we'll
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Speaker 6: be standing candidates in Victoria so people can vote for
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Speaker 6: one nation.
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Speaker 1: But it's a long road ahead of us.
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Speaker 6: And like I said, I don't count my chickens before
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Speaker 6: they hatch, but I am going to target to get
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Speaker 6: a senator, not in just those three states, Andrew, every state,
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Speaker 6: every state.
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Speaker 2: That would make you a real power breaker. Where's one
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Speaker 2: nation going? How come you suddenly after more than twenty
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Speaker 2: years in this it's strands Ferry whole support at the.
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Speaker 6: Moment because you know what a few weeks ago, Andrew
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Speaker 6: I said, because the under the leadership of Susan Lee
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Speaker 6: are hopeless for the conservative politics of this nation. I thought,
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Speaker 6: you know, no more, am I just going to be
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Speaker 6: there as a backup for women's support them, which I
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Speaker 6: have been. And I thought, no one nation can hold government,
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Speaker 6: whether it's state or eventually in time in the federal
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Speaker 6: arena become opposition. And if I don't have faith and
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Speaker 6: trust myself that I believe that one nation can do
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Speaker 6: it to represent the people of this nation, well then
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Speaker 6: why would people vote for us. I'm putting myself out
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Speaker 6: there and the policies for one nation that I believe
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Speaker 6: are great and right for this country.
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Speaker 1: And I'm asking.
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Speaker 6: People and I to get behind us. And I wanted
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Speaker 6: to see at this time to thank the people of
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Speaker 6: Astro who've got behind us with their support, have become
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Speaker 6: members so we're just powering ahead. We've had an increase
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Speaker 6: of one hundred percent membership since since the election, so
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Speaker 6: people are getting behind one nation.
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Speaker 2: Paul in Hanson, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: My pleasure. Thanks for having me on Andrew.
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Speaker 2: After the break, Donald Trump threatens war after this plea
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Speaker 2: from a Christian pastor for help to stop a genocide
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Speaker 2: of Christians in Nigeria. What a disaster for Australia. We
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Speaker 2: have a terrible government, but even worse opposition. We have
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Speaker 2: a government that's given us lower living standards than an
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Speaker 2: opposition that can't hold it to account. I mean this is,
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Speaker 2: for instance, from today's question time, with the opposition's record
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Speaker 2: thrown back in its teeth.
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Speaker 5: Now the Prime Minister has returned home, will he again
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Speaker 5: pull his treasurer into line to stop his spending spree.
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Speaker 5: I'm pleased to get a question from Chamont, who of
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Speaker 5: course is now Shadow Treasurer, who was promoted into the
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Speaker 5: position of Shadow Treasurer after going to an election with
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Speaker 5: a six hundred billion dollar planned for nuclear power in
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Speaker 5: the twenty forties. It's hard to come here and ask
21:14
Speaker 5: a question that speaks about spending spree when he had
21:21
Speaker 5: a six hundred billion dollar plant.
21:24
Speaker 2: So no wonder. Today's news poll Labor on just fifth
21:27
Speaker 2: thirty six percent, the opposition though far worse twenty four percent.
21:32
Speaker 2: It's bad versus worse and no hope of any changes.
21:35
Speaker 2: Australia gets poorer, weaker, and we're divided. Join mes. The
21:39
Speaker 2: political Panels, Steve Conroy, former Labor Senator and Cabinet minister,
21:42
Speaker 2: and Michael Danby, former Federal Labor MP and Chairman of
21:45
Speaker 2: Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defense and Trade.
21:50
Speaker 2: Michael is certainly finished as opposition leader, do you think
21:53
Speaker 2: or is there simply no one willing and able to
21:56
Speaker 2: replace her?
21:57
Speaker 7: Yet political parties don't last forever. The United Australian Party
22:02
Speaker 7: finished before Robert Menzies and the Whigs finished in the UK.
22:08
Speaker 7: So I think Pauline Hanson was quite wise. She's become
22:12
Speaker 7: a lot more focused and lucid over the years, and
22:15
Speaker 7: she said it's two years away from an election and
22:19
Speaker 7: Lay will probably hope to just hold on in the
22:22
Speaker 7: UK with reform and the enthusiasm over Nigel Farage. He's
22:25
Speaker 7: four years away, so a lot can changes. You said
22:29
Speaker 7: in your editorial beforehand, Andrew in the ensuing years.
22:34
Speaker 2: Stephen, what do you make of it?
22:38
Speaker 8: Look the first female leader of the Liberal Party, that
22:43
Speaker 8: was an an attempt to rebrand, given that particularly young
22:48
Speaker 8: women have it seems no time for the Liberal current
22:52
Speaker 8: policy agenda. But I suspect that if she lasts the
22:58
Speaker 8: Christmas she'll have done very well, at this stage, we've
23:01
Speaker 8: just got to look late afternoon reporting. Hasty is getting
23:04
Speaker 8: ready to challenge her. He certainly says he'll challenge next year.
23:09
Speaker 8: Angus Taylor's still hanging around. Even Tim Wilson's making jokes
23:13
Speaker 8: about when he's the Prime Minister. So the signs aren't good.
23:20
Speaker 8: She's not been given much of a chance. She's made
23:23
Speaker 8: some missteps. She's an experience to sort of fronting the
23:26
Speaker 8: media every single day, So I think it'll be she'll
23:31
Speaker 8: be lucky to make Christmas.
23:35
Speaker 2: And it's just to repeat, I think it's a proof
23:38
Speaker 2: that agenda Trump's gender every time. Speaking of Trump, Michael,
23:45
Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump has threatened in a social media
23:48
Speaker 2: post just yesterday to invade Nigeria of all places, in fact,
23:53
Speaker 2: to send in US soldiers with quote guns are blazing
23:58
Speaker 2: to start the murder there of Christians Islamic extremists if
24:02
Speaker 2: Nigeria didn't act. And that's after this video of a
24:06
Speaker 2: Church of Christ passed there standing in the grave of
24:09
Speaker 2: the latest victims went viral in the USA.
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Speaker 1: Today.
24:25
Speaker 2: We blurred out the bodies there. Nigeria's governances, it protects
24:28
Speaker 2: citizens of all faiths. The Islamic government actually killed Muslims
24:32
Speaker 2: as well, and there is no genocide specifically of Christians,
24:36
Speaker 2: although more than seven thousand Christians Michael have been reported
24:39
Speaker 2: killed here in just the first seven months of this year.
24:42
Speaker 2: What do you make of Trump's move?
24:44
Speaker 7: I really doubt that he's going to challenge the MAGA
24:47
Speaker 7: base by getting your soldiers involved in any military effort
24:52
Speaker 7: in Nigeria, but he hopes to frighten the lackluster leadership
24:57
Speaker 7: in Lagos into action tech their own people. I'm sure
25:01
Speaker 7: they're frightened now, and let's hope these anti Christian pogroms
25:06
Speaker 7: that are happening all around the world, not only to Christians,
25:09
Speaker 7: but I mean the poor people in Dafora and Western Sudan.
25:13
Speaker 7: You see the pictures of them being murdered, mothers and
25:16
Speaker 7: children by these Jungjaweed militia. They're actually brown Arab Muslims
25:21
Speaker 7: from Khartum who look on the black Muslims of Western
25:27
Speaker 7: Sudan as lower forms of life. So it's a very
25:29
Speaker 7: complicated picture. But Christians are the most persecuted religion in
25:34
Speaker 7: the world at the moment, including all over the Middle
25:36
Speaker 7: East and in Nigeria.
25:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's interesting, Stephen is not offering to send a
25:43
Speaker 2: US soldiers to say, Muslims skilling Muslims, but yes, muslim
25:47
Speaker 2: skilling Christians. I think it's good that he puts pressure
25:50
Speaker 2: on Nigeria. I think it's excellent. It's been a very
25:53
Speaker 2: silent sort of well, almost like jihad there. What do
25:57
Speaker 2: you make of it?
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Speaker 8: Well, look, I mean, firstly, I want to say to
26:02
Speaker 8: the hard left in Australia, that's what genocide looks like,
26:07
Speaker 8: not what went on in Israel and the Hamas conflict.
26:13
Speaker 8: Have a good, hard look hard left in Australia, that's
26:17
Speaker 8: what a real genocide looks like when there are bodies,
26:21
Speaker 8: as you've seen some of the aerial photos, just heaped
26:25
Speaker 8: up against a wall. So for those who've tried to
26:29
Speaker 8: pretend to continue to pretend that the Middle Aged conflict
26:33
Speaker 8: was Israeli genocide, it's just that makes a joke of
26:37
Speaker 8: them even further. But look, if Trump is successful, and
26:42
Speaker 8: again for the sake of all of those in all
26:44
Speaker 8: religions that are being murdered, then that would be a
26:49
Speaker 8: good thing. I'm with Michael one hundred percent. There'll be
26:52
Speaker 8: no boots on the ground. But as he's demonstrated in
26:55
Speaker 8: the strike on Iran. He doesn't need to put boots
26:59
Speaker 8: on the ground. Absolutely changed the landscape. So let's hope
27:05
Speaker 8: that it's not needed. Let's hope that the Nigerian government
27:09
Speaker 8: takes some sort of control of the disaster that's occurring.
27:15
Speaker 2: Well, it'd be very interesting watching. On the other hand, Michael,
27:19
Speaker 2: Donald Trump refused on the weekend to promise the US
27:22
Speaker 2: would defend Taiwan if China attacked it like it's threatened to,
27:26
Speaker 2: even though Joe Biden, as you know, as president, did
27:29
Speaker 2: promise to defend Taiwan. Have listened to Trump on the weekend, would.
27:33
Speaker 1: You order US forces to defend Taiwan?
27:36
Speaker 9: You'll find out if it happens. And he understands. The
27:39
Speaker 9: answer to that never even came up yesterday as a subject.
27:43
Speaker 7: He never brought it up.
27:45
Speaker 9: I'm not somebody that tells you everything because you're asking
27:47
Speaker 9: me a question. But they understand what's going to happen.
27:50
Speaker 8: And he has.
27:52
Speaker 9: Openly said, and as people have openly said it meetings,
27:55
Speaker 9: we would never do anything while President Trump is president
27:58
Speaker 9: because they know the consqu wswers.
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Speaker 2: Michael, what is that about? Is Trump weakening on China?
28:06
Speaker 7: He's equivocal. Look, I'll go out on a bit of
28:09
Speaker 7: a Limandrew and say the Taiwanese to blame for this
28:13
Speaker 7: a lot themselves. Their F sixteen's which they've bought, are
28:18
Speaker 7: still not fully deployed, so that's aircraft that could match
28:22
Speaker 7: the Chinese. They've spent insufficient on defense. And there are
28:27
Speaker 7: young people who are going to now do twelve months
28:30
Speaker 7: after having done three months conscriptions. Why should American boys
28:34
Speaker 7: from Peoria lay down their lives to defend a country
28:38
Speaker 7: that doesn't appear to be as aggressive in defending itself.
28:42
Speaker 4: Shocking. I think that.
28:45
Speaker 7: Trump is trying to make other deals with Taiwan. We've
28:51
Speaker 7: only got a year to get these critical minerals online.
28:55
Speaker 7: I hope Australia can do it because the truth that
28:59
Speaker 7: he did is only for a year.
29:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point, Stephen. You might have heard me, and
29:07
Speaker 2: I feel embarrassed. Suggests that Gina Ronhappy the next US
29:10
Speaker 2: Ambassador to America just one week after I said that
29:14
Speaker 2: you should be. But the reason I've dropped you that
29:17
Speaker 2: it's not personal, Well, it's only because you've aspired to
29:25
Speaker 2: a higher position. Mate, you're on the fox Field board.
29:29
Speaker 2: Essentially you're my boss in a way.
29:32
Speaker 4: Doesn't this sound.
29:33
Speaker 2: Look really that you do have a lot of influence
29:36
Speaker 2: with labor, which is why you are there.
29:41
Speaker 4: No.
29:41
Speaker 8: I love the way you've managed to get yourself out
29:44
Speaker 8: of dumping me as the ambassador. They're Andrew, but no,
29:48
Speaker 8: I continue to be a feather duster. I enjoy being
29:52
Speaker 8: part of the debate here on Sky. I've never had
29:57
Speaker 8: anyone tell me I can't say this or that. I
30:01
Speaker 8: obviously support labor and from the labor side of politics.
30:04
Speaker 8: But I appreciate the chance to talk with you, Paul, Murray, Kieran,
30:10
Speaker 8: Gilbert Peter Stefanovic on a regular basis every week, and
30:14
Speaker 8: it's great to see that that pluralism of debate takes
30:17
Speaker 8: place in Australia right across a range of.
30:22
Speaker 2: Channels.
30:22
Speaker 8: But just to clarify for everybody, Foxtel don't own Sky.
30:27
Speaker 8: Sky pay to appear on foxheale, So I have actually
30:31
Speaker 8: no influence on you and the Sky News you.
30:35
Speaker 2: Have an influence. I'll tell you what, if you come
30:38
Speaker 2: back here after Fox still cuts its payments to Sky,
30:42
Speaker 2: they'll be hell to pay. You will be hell to pay.
30:44
Speaker 2: Don't bother coming Stephen Connor and Michael Dry Thank you
30:47
Speaker 2: very much to you both after the break more apartheid.
30:52
Speaker 2: The Albanezy government says one race can now get aged
30:56
Speaker 2: care fifteen years before the rest of us. Two years ago,
31:04
Speaker 2: Australians voted no to dividing us by race, no to
31:08
Speaker 2: the Albaneza Governor's voice an average and only advisory parliament.
31:13
Speaker 2: Yet this new apartheid is still being forcefulness. Last week
31:17
Speaker 2: I told you about Melbourne Saint Vincent's Hospital now treating
31:20
Speaker 2: all Aborigines in emergency as Category three patients, so they
31:25
Speaker 2: are treated ahead of semi urgent Category four patients and
31:29
Speaker 2: non urgent Category five. But it's not just hospital patients
31:33
Speaker 2: now being treated in part on the basis of race
31:38
Speaker 2: as of last weekend. So are people wanting aged care
31:42
Speaker 2: as are revealed in the papers this morning the Albanezer
31:44
Speaker 2: governents as Australians can't get age care services until they
31:48
Speaker 2: are sixty five unless they are disabled or and here's
31:53
Speaker 2: the big change, unless they say they are Aboriginal. Then
31:56
Speaker 2: they can be treated as young that can be given
31:59
Speaker 2: age care services as young as fifty. As a Health
32:02
Speaker 2: Department rights, an older person may be eligible for age
32:05
Speaker 2: care if they have care needs and they are sixty
32:08
Speaker 2: five years or older but fifty years or older if
32:13
Speaker 2: they are an Aboriginal, torres, straight islander or homeless, join
32:17
Speaker 2: me a Lisa Godard, former foreign correspondent and a good
32:19
Speaker 2: one and founder of an only media plus Joe Hildebrand,
32:24
Speaker 2: the popular Sky News regular Joe. This is on top
32:27
Speaker 2: of average and any courts, average advisory partiments of Victoria,
32:31
Speaker 2: South Australia, average and any grants, jobs, safe spaces and
32:34
Speaker 2: so on. Is this racial division healthy?
32:38
Speaker 4: Look? I think in terms of you know, the Victorian
32:40
Speaker 4: government's moves, for example, to start talking about a treaty
32:43
Speaker 4: and you know, possibly even reparations and truth telling whatever
32:47
Speaker 4: that might mean. That reminds me very much of the
32:50
Speaker 4: old joke about the academic who says, well, that's all
32:53
Speaker 4: very well in practice, but how does it work in theory.
32:55
Speaker 4: I don't understand how any of these what seems like
32:58
Speaker 4: symbolic gesture will actually improve Aboriginal disadvantage. In terms of
33:03
Speaker 4: this though, I think this is just a matter of
33:06
Speaker 4: facing the facts as we know them. We know that frankly,
33:09
Speaker 4: Aboriginal people die a decade earlier than the rest of
33:13
Speaker 4: us on average, and that figure is even worse in
33:16
Speaker 4: remote communities and so just like having a disability or
33:20
Speaker 4: being homeless, that has really serious health repercussions and it
33:24
Speaker 4: deserves to be treated as such. The real, more urgent
33:27
Speaker 4: question is how do we actually stop that from happening,
33:31
Speaker 4: How do we close that gap? And I don't think
33:34
Speaker 4: that these sort of symbolic gestures as we've seen from
33:37
Speaker 4: the Allen government are going to do anything whatsoever to
33:40
Speaker 4: improve that.
33:42
Speaker 2: But Lisa, of course, dying earlier is not inherent in
33:46
Speaker 2: being Aboriginal. It's a question of lifestyle, diet, medical care,
33:50
Speaker 2: all that kind of thing, whether you secret or not.
33:52
Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering whether you shouldn't actually just treat
33:55
Speaker 2: people as individuals if they are really you know, does
34:00
Speaker 2: it matter whether they black or white, tour Asian or African.
34:05
Speaker 2: Shouldn't it all be given equal access regardless of race? Yeah, Andrew,
34:12
Speaker 2: I agree.
34:12
Speaker 10: Look, I think when it comes to people who are
34:14
Speaker 10: living with a disability and they have very unique circumstances
34:17
Speaker 10: where they need aged care, then of course try and
34:19
Speaker 10: get them into those beds. But right now, in Australia,
34:21
Speaker 10: and Joe, this is where I'm going to push back
34:23
Speaker 10: on you. Right now, in Australia, you try running your
34:26
Speaker 10: argument to the estimated two and a half thousand people
34:28
Speaker 10: who are living in hospitals because they qualify to go
34:31
Speaker 10: into age care, so they're old enough, but they can't
34:33
Speaker 10: actually get a bed to them. This would be discrimination
34:37
Speaker 10: to them. They're saying, why because I don't identify as Indigenous,
34:41
Speaker 10: should I be not pushed further down the list. That's
34:43
Speaker 10: not fair, that's not what this country should be built on,
34:46
Speaker 10: and it is divisive.
34:49
Speaker 2: Joe.
34:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, look again, it's simply a matter of I mean,
34:52
Speaker 4: you go into age care based on how long you
34:55
Speaker 4: have left to live, and I assume that all these
34:57
Speaker 4: people would actually be assessed based on their actual life
35:00
Speaker 4: expectancy and their health condition and not just ticking a
35:03
Speaker 4: box as to whether or not they identify as Aboriginal
35:06
Speaker 4: Autoris straight islander. There would be other criteria they would
35:09
Speaker 4: have to fill before they qualified. And again, just the
35:12
Speaker 4: sheer scale of the disadvantage is enormous. Now, again this
35:16
Speaker 4: is far more extreme in remote communities. The disadvantage is
35:20
Speaker 4: the highest in the Northern Territory. And this includes things
35:24
Speaker 4: not just like third world diseases that no non Indigenous
35:27
Speaker 4: Australian has to think about. I mean, we're talking about
35:30
Speaker 4: inner ear infections that stop Indigenous kids from being able
35:33
Speaker 4: to hear things properly and learn in schools, to things
35:36
Speaker 4: like domestic violence and rates that are thirty times higher
35:41
Speaker 4: in a remote and regional Indigenous community women going to
35:45
Speaker 4: hospital HK the rate of non Indigenous people.
35:49
Speaker 2: But Joe H care isn't given on any prediction of
35:51
Speaker 2: how long you'll live. It's given on need. No one
35:55
Speaker 2: can know how long anyone lives. And there will be
35:57
Speaker 2: averaging about how helping you are live as old as
36:01
Speaker 2: you or.
36:02
Speaker 4: I no, but so you don't go into age care
36:04
Speaker 4: if you're perfectly you know, fit is a fiddle and
36:07
Speaker 4: you think you've got you know, So there.
36:11
Speaker 10: Would be a family member you're trying to done.
36:15
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
36:15
Speaker 10: If you're a family member and you're trying to get
36:17
Speaker 10: your loved one into aged care and you're being told, well, sorry,
36:20
Speaker 10: they don't identify as Indigenous, so therefore they're further down
36:24
Speaker 10: the list.
36:24
Speaker 11: That is not fair. That is not a moral judgment.
36:27
Speaker 10: It should be made based on what condition they're in
36:30
Speaker 10: and where they are on the list. They shouldn't get
36:31
Speaker 10: a right to be dropped down. So someone who identifies
36:34
Speaker 10: as indigenous can be put through into that bed and
36:36
Speaker 10: it doesn't matter whether there are enough beds available, enough doctors,
36:40
Speaker 10: or enough of those twenty four hour nurses and into
36:41
Speaker 10: the facilities that we were promised. No matter what condition
36:44
Speaker 10: this age care system is in, it should not come
36:47
Speaker 10: down to what your race is or what you identify
36:49
Speaker 10: as as whether you're pushed up that list.
36:51
Speaker 4: It's the same as if you're homeless.
36:53
Speaker 12: Men.
36:53
Speaker 4: You're not going to apply the same rules to someone
36:56
Speaker 4: who is living in their parents' garage or basement as
36:59
Speaker 4: to some one who's living under a bridge. All these
37:02
Speaker 4: things would be assessed based on the individual need.
37:06
Speaker 2: Well, they say, well, if you're Chinese in the agreement
37:09
Speaker 2: now yeah, Well, by the way, Joe. A month ago,
37:15
Speaker 2: October one, the Albanizer government started it's five percent deposit
37:19
Speaker 2: scheme for first home buyers, supposedly so they could afford
37:22
Speaker 2: it by their first home to help them do that,
37:25
Speaker 2: but it seems to have actually made homes even less
37:28
Speaker 2: affordable as was predicted at the time. House prices and
37:31
Speaker 2: capital cities rose in October by more than any month
37:35
Speaker 2: in the past couple of years, up one point one
37:37
Speaker 2: percent over the month and six point one percent over
37:41
Speaker 2: the year, according to Coatality, which says, yes, the government's
37:45
Speaker 2: expanded deposit guarantees scheme has intensified competition for more affordable properties.
37:52
Speaker 2: The moral to this story.
37:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's very similar to what we saw with
37:57
Speaker 4: the Howard Government's First Home Buyers scheme, where it did
38:00
Speaker 4: drive up property prices, but it also gave first home
38:03
Speaker 4: buyers a foot in the door. So yes, it made
38:07
Speaker 4: property more expensive, and you could argue that it made
38:10
Speaker 4: property less affordable if you like, but it made it
38:14
Speaker 4: more accessible as well because they could still scrape together
38:17
Speaker 4: the deposits they needed. I think house prices in Australia
38:20
Speaker 4: are always going to go up, except in certain states
38:24
Speaker 4: like Victoria quite frankly, but even there I think they've
38:27
Speaker 4: recovered a bit. So it's not so much about whether
38:30
Speaker 4: or not the actual value or the price of a
38:34
Speaker 4: home goes up as to whether or not someone trying
38:37
Speaker 4: to buy their first home can actually get in the foothold,
38:39
Speaker 4: get a foothold in the market. And we know that
38:41
Speaker 4: that is the best way to predict future security, economic
38:47
Speaker 4: security for people themselves and their children. And so I
38:50
Speaker 4: think anything that can get people or literally and metaphorically
38:54
Speaker 4: is a good thing.
38:57
Speaker 2: But Lisa, to me, it sounds like another failure offer
39:00
Speaker 2: more taxpayer money, which simply makes the houses less affordable anyway,
39:04
Speaker 2: I mean, what what am I missing here?
39:08
Speaker 10: Well, look, as a mom, I've got two kids in
39:11
Speaker 10: the next few years, will want to try and break
39:12
Speaker 10: into the property market, so I understand it. But Joe,
39:15
Speaker 10: it's kind of like giving someone a shopping voucher and saying,
39:17
Speaker 10: this is a shopping voucher to a store that is
39:19
Speaker 10: either at a stock or full of stock that you
39:21
Speaker 10: can't afford because it's out of your price bracket. So
39:24
Speaker 10: it's useless at this point. All it is doing is
39:26
Speaker 10: putting pressure on the market. And experts were warning about
39:29
Speaker 10: this a long time ago that you're going to see
39:31
Speaker 10: high demand that's going to there's no supply or not
39:33
Speaker 10: enough supply, so you're going to see prices go up.
39:36
Speaker 10: So look, it's a great sales pitch for the government.
39:38
Speaker 10: It sounds good, but at the end of the day,
39:40
Speaker 10: if the houses aren't there for these first home buyers
39:42
Speaker 10: to actually buy, or you know, the paperwork isn't pushed
39:46
Speaker 10: through fast enough by governments for these houses to be built,
39:49
Speaker 10: you end up with the same problem we have today.
39:52
Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand, Lisa got to thank you very much to
39:54
Speaker 2: your birds. Really appreciate that good stuff. I'll tell you what,
39:59
Speaker 2: just before the break, the West really does look weak
40:02
Speaker 2: these days' don't you think, And not just in terms
40:05
Speaker 2: of military weapons. I mean how we've run down stocks,
40:09
Speaker 2: but a fighting spirit. I mean you just look at
40:11
Speaker 2: our defense forces recruiting ads. It's more about helping little
40:14
Speaker 2: old ladies across the street or whatever, about helping people
40:18
Speaker 2: and not going out to kill the enemy. But for
40:22
Speaker 2: a woke military, I swear you cannot go past Canada's
40:25
Speaker 2: here's it's Chief of Defense staff last week, actually crying
40:29
Speaker 2: as she says sorry about alleged racism in the military.
40:33
Speaker 12: I apologize to every CALF member veteran experienced racism, discrimination
40:43
Speaker 12: and harassment, and I acknowledged we failed you.
40:50
Speaker 2: Does that give you confidence in Canada's armed forces in war?
40:53
Speaker 2: After the break Last Thursday, Britain's and labor government said
40:57
Speaker 2: it was winning the war on life crime. Two days later,
41:00
Speaker 2: a man stabbed eleven people on a London train. That's Thursday,
41:09
Speaker 2: the British government boasted that it was winning the fight
41:11
Speaker 2: against knife crime. It put out this statement record number
41:15
Speaker 2: of knives taken off streets as a knife murder's plummet.
41:19
Speaker 2: But just two days later, on Saturday, this man armed
41:23
Speaker 2: with a long knife got on board a London bound
41:25
Speaker 2: train and over fourteen minutes allegedly stabbed eleven people, living,
41:29
Speaker 2: one near death. Now terrorism has not been ruled out,
41:33
Speaker 2: but the British born suspect told passages the devil is
41:36
Speaker 2: not going to win, suggesting to me, a nutter joining
41:39
Speaker 2: me from London is writer, broadcasting commentator, it's the cracker.
41:43
Speaker 2: It's the great to see you. And what more do
41:46
Speaker 2: you know is this is just one of those, you know,
41:48
Speaker 2: awful random things that could happen anywhere or part of
41:50
Speaker 2: some pattern.
41:53
Speaker 11: It's very far from random.
41:54
Speaker 13: And unfortunately, this is a pattern that we're seeing in
41:57
Speaker 13: public life here in Britain now, where it feels like
41:59
Speaker 13: nothing is safe like clockwork. About forty eight hours after
42:03
Speaker 13: this incident, we're now seeing reports that this person was
42:07
Speaker 13: well known to the authorities and had a history of
42:09
Speaker 13: mental health struggles. Well, I'd like to draw people's attention
42:11
Speaker 13: back to Valdo Kalakan, who was a man who decided
42:15
Speaker 13: to stab three people, including two university students, in notting
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Speaker 13: him to death because voices in his head told him to.
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Speaker 13: He was also well known to authorities and had a
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Speaker 13: history of mental illness and went to sound outside I
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Speaker 13: five in London asking them begging them to arrest him.
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Speaker 13: He also saw a similar story with Axel Ruducabana, who
42:33
Speaker 13: also had a serious history with mental health. Illness is
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Speaker 13: so much so that social workers couldn't attend his house
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Speaker 13: without a police escort, and that his family had reported
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Speaker 13: him to the Prevent program, which is the UK's anti
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Speaker 13: terrorist program. This is a young man who went on
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Speaker 13: to stab three young girls to death, six year, six
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Speaker 13: and seven year old girls attending a Taylor Swift dance class.
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Speaker 13: And people remember this because this was probably the catalyst. Well,
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Speaker 13: this was the catalyst for last year Summer Rights near
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Speaker 13: Liverpool last year and this is unfortunately looking like it's
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Speaker 13: coming to a similar pattern.
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Speaker 11: And what you see as a combination of the.
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Speaker 13: Fact that the British States just doesn't have the resources
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Speaker 13: to protect the British public in the way that it should,
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Speaker 13: and also public services with regards to mental health are
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Speaker 13: woefully inadequate. This person saying that the devil will not
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Speaker 13: win clearly is indicating that he has severe mental health issues.
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Speaker 13: But when you look at the nitty gritty of it,
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Speaker 13: the uncomfortable truth is public health officials are, like we
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Speaker 13: see in many cases in the UK, very scared to
43:34
Speaker 13: identify publicly and to act on the fact that there's
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Speaker 13: certain group based incidents or higher levels of group based
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Speaker 13: incidents of particular types of illnesses.
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Speaker 11: So for example, when it comes to.
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Speaker 13: In breeding, for example in the UK, and when you
43:50
Speaker 13: see certain groups presenting higher levels of birth defects because
43:53
Speaker 13: there's a higher level of cousin marriage. I'm talking about
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Speaker 13: mainly people of Pakistani heritage in the UK, you have
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Speaker 13: politicians scared to say stop marrying your first cousins is
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Speaker 13: costing the NHS a fortune because you're having children after
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Speaker 13: generations of first cousin marriage that are born with birth defects.
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Speaker 13: And in the case of black males in the UK,
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Speaker 13: they show an incident race of schizophrenia six to nine
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Speaker 13: times higher than the general population. So this is something
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Speaker 13: that public health officials should feel comfortable saying and saying
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Speaker 13: that we need to adapt our public health strategy to
44:23
Speaker 13: make sure that it targets people that are most likely
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Speaker 13: to be at risk of this. If you have people
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Speaker 13: that are not taking their medication, that have access to
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Speaker 13: basic knives and can go on trains and stab people.
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Speaker 13: I mean, the British state is failing on every single level.
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Speaker 13: And I feel particularly pained by this because the train
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Speaker 13: and this happened on is a train that I take
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Speaker 13: home all the time from King's Cross and it's one
44:43
Speaker 13: of the reasons why people like me stop taking the
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Speaker 13: trains at certain times of the night in the UK
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Speaker 13: because it feels very unsafe. And this is not something
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Speaker 13: that's surprising, which is deeply, deeply saddening to me.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I suspect the higher incidents of mental illness or
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Speaker 2: schizophrenia in the in the black community may have something
45:06
Speaker 2: to do with drug use. I don't know. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if it's inherent.
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Speaker 13: Well, that's one of one of one of the indicators,
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Speaker 13: the high use of cannabis and the fact that has
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Speaker 13: become well.
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Speaker 11: Human place.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know. I wonder why we've
45:21
Speaker 2: you know, sort of see so many people minimizing the
45:25
Speaker 2: risk of marijuana use. It's just a soft drug. No,
45:28
Speaker 2: there is a link, and I think we're able to
45:30
Speaker 2: be a bit frank about it. The disgracing of the
45:34
Speaker 2: Andrew who was formerly known as Prince. He show shows
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Speaker 2: no sign of stopping. The King's brother has already been
45:42
Speaker 2: stripped of his title Duke of York. Then his title
45:46
Speaker 2: Prince has been evicted from his home, the Royal Dodge.
45:49
Speaker 2: Now the King wants Andrew, who we now have to
45:52
Speaker 2: call mister Andrew mount Batton Windsor Of was the last
45:56
Speaker 2: honorary military military title, Vice Admiral of the Navy. And
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Speaker 2: this is after you know, elegations sleeping with underage women, roughting,
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Speaker 2: even corruption. How much further can this bloke for.
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Speaker 13: I don't think there is an end in sight unfortunately.
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Speaker 13: I mean this is probably the least of his worries
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Speaker 13: having his honors stripped from him. He could be facing
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Speaker 13: prosecution in the US, for example here in the UK.
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Speaker 13: In the UK is being investigated by the Metropolitan Police
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Speaker 13: for allegedly asking his personal protection officer, which is a
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Speaker 13: tax funded police officer, to.
46:27
Speaker 11: Dig up dirts on Virginia's euphrase.
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Speaker 13: They extend that allegedly he had access to a social
46:32
Speaker 13: security number, which is an offense in the US to
46:35
Speaker 13: have access to someone's social Security number and lawfully so,
46:37
Speaker 13: I mean, if they really wanted to take this.
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Speaker 11: To its logical conclusion, he could be not only.
46:42
Speaker 13: Testifying in whatever cases that are coming up with victims
46:46
Speaker 13: of Jeffrey Epstein, but also testifying to why he potentially
46:49
Speaker 13: allegedly had Virginia's ephrase social security number. With regards to
46:53
Speaker 13: his military honors, I think there's a hard line there
46:55
Speaker 13: because you don't want to set a precedent that when
46:56
Speaker 13: someone is disgraced their military service, because basically moot he
47:02
Speaker 13: did serve in the military, he did serve in the Falklands,
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Speaker 13: and I think that's something that we should draw a
47:06
Speaker 13: hard line under. It's something that nothing no one can
47:08
Speaker 13: take away from him. And I think public service in
47:12
Speaker 13: the military should not be subject to kind of whether
47:16
Speaker 13: you're in good public standing or not.
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Speaker 11: And I think it's the same argument with Prince.
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Speaker 13: Harry in as much as he's fallen out of favor
47:21
Speaker 13: with the British public, he does still deny the allegation.
47:25
Speaker 13: So it's important to remember this is a man who's
47:27
Speaker 13: claiming his innocence. And while I completely understand that his
47:29
Speaker 13: behavior has been totally selfish and inappropriate and he's a
47:33
Speaker 13: man of very poor judgment. I think there should be
47:36
Speaker 13: a line in the sands somewhere, and I think at
47:38
Speaker 13: the moment the last thing they can let him do
47:39
Speaker 13: is to face any kind of any kind of investigations
47:44
Speaker 13: or criminal implications of this as an independent private citizen,
47:48
Speaker 13: and not to kind of throw money at it from
47:50
Speaker 13: the royal family like he did when he settled with Visionijufree.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think you made two really good points.
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Speaker 2: Are one's not being and your reference to the Falklands
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Speaker 2: is about that Time's report, a report in the Times
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Speaker 2: that Andrew could even be stripped to the medal he
48:08
Speaker 2: got for serving in the war as a helicopter parler,
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Speaker 2: and I agree with you that would strike me as
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Speaker 2: very unfair. If he's earned that serving his country in war,
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Speaker 2: he earned it, however horrible he might turn out to be.
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Speaker 2: That is I think absolutely true. I think this is
48:23
Speaker 2: getting a little bit vindictive. Then, Esther Crack you thank
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Speaker 2: you so much indeed for your time. Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: That's it from me. Coming up next Sharry Marx and
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Speaker 2: hang on because She's got another great show. But from me,
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Speaker 2: good night,