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Set 2: Closed Parentheses (w/PFT) · Stugotz and Company

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Speaker 1: He's got the biggest show going. They've got the biggest
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Speaker 1: show going. Part of my take, and now they have
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Speaker 1: a book app and pf T PFT commentator is with
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Speaker 1: us right now to talk about the book. Part in
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Speaker 1: my book, it's a New York Times bestseller. Congratulations to
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Speaker 1: you man, Welcome to the to the Authors Club.
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Speaker 2: I'm proud of you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for such a humble welcoming stew You might
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Speaker 3: have just jinxed us though, because we're not we're not
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Speaker 3: New York Times bestsellers.
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Speaker 1: Oh I think you are, Yes, I do. I think
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Speaker 1: you're fifth right now. I think you're going to be
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Speaker 1: a New York Times bestseller. I was just I was
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Speaker 1: kind of predicting it for you.
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Speaker 3: You know, you're crowning us. You're crowning us beforehand. Knock
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Speaker 3: on wood. If we don't make it, I'm I'm holding
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Speaker 3: you personally responsible.
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Speaker 1: Well, why would you do that? I mean, what do
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Speaker 1: I have to do with it. I'm sitting here promoting
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Speaker 1: your book. I'm gonna make it happen for you. Right now.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to put you on the New York Times bestseller.
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Speaker 1: It's either this show or the one you're doing later
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Speaker 1: in Rowan Oake Virginia.
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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, the stew bump, this is this
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Speaker 3: is going to push us over the top. I appreciate that,
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Stu. It's you know, writing a book, it's
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Speaker 3: a lot harder than reading a book. And I say
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Speaker 3: that as somebody that doesn't read a lot of books.
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Speaker 3: But we included a lot of pictures, and you know,
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Speaker 3: there's a little something for everybody in there. My favorite
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Speaker 3: is people are going through right now and looking at
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Speaker 3: you know, some of the maybe the minor misspellings, maybe
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Speaker 3: some graphical layerors, some intentional, some otherwise. And someone pointed
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Speaker 3: out that I think it's like page nine, we open
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Speaker 3: up a parentheses and we never close that parenthesis. So
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Speaker 3: if you've got OCD, this might like really really trigger you.
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Speaker 3: But I guess that means we're gonna have to write
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Speaker 3: another book. Say we can eventually the parentheses because right now,
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Speaker 3: this conversation we're having, yeah, this is still kind of
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Speaker 3: part of the parentheses.
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Speaker 1: Telling is more important than spelling. We all know that
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Speaker 1: right in the book world, Yes.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're damn right.
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Speaker 2: Who came up with the name of the book, who
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Speaker 2: came up with the title.
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Speaker 3: That's a great question, Stu. Part of my book we
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Speaker 3: racked our brains. It was one of those where we
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Speaker 3: we came with probably like ten really terrible ideas and
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Speaker 3: then we're like, let's just stick with part of my book.
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Speaker 3: Let's not reinvent the wheel on this one where and
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Speaker 3: Dave took cancel me if you can, that was gonna
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Speaker 3: be ours, but Portnoy, Yeah, he scooped that from us.
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Speaker 1: What were some of the bad options left on the
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Speaker 1: cutting room floor?
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Speaker 2: Do you remember? Do you have any?
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Speaker 3: I think one that I suggested was, yeah, I bought
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Speaker 3: this book not to Brad.
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Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
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Speaker 1: I gotta be hot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then like subtitle you could say, I'm a
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Speaker 3: bit of a reader, you know, just like something that
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Speaker 3: you can flex on. I forget what the other ones were,
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Speaker 3: but none, you know, it's it's simple, and it's also
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Speaker 3: very convenient that it's a lazy name for a book,
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Speaker 3: but I think I think it's the right name for
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Speaker 3: this book. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Part of my book ten Years of the Best and
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Speaker 1: Worst in Sports from part of my take. I like
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Speaker 1: what you did there with the ten years. So now
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Speaker 1: you have a part too, right you mentioned that earlier.
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Speaker 1: Now you can do the second half, right, that's why
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Speaker 1: you did it, correct, Yeah, I mean we.
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Speaker 3: Kind of set us up ourselves up for a sequel,
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Speaker 3: but we're booked out at this point, right, Yes, you know,
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Speaker 3: the last six months or so of actually putting pin
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Speaker 3: to paper and doing the writing that was it was
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Speaker 3: more work than we thought that it would be. So
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, maybe another after ten years, maybe
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Speaker 3: we'll do part two.
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Speaker 1: So the problem with writing another book is you have
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Speaker 1: to stay with Cats for another ten years.
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Speaker 3: I mean, true, true, that's kind that's kind of part
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Speaker 3: of the deal. Or we break up, we write each
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Speaker 3: own book.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I did.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, and then when you get back together,
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Speaker 3: then you can write that book again. And life is
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Speaker 3: just a never ending series of like promoting and creating
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Speaker 3: content for your next book.
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Speaker 1: How was the process of writing the book? It's tough, right,
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Speaker 1: it was difficult, I imagine, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's uh, it actually was. We thought that
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Speaker 3: we had it all figured out. We thought we outsmarted
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Speaker 3: the world, and we hired a ghostwriter and he came
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Speaker 3: in and we record a bunch of interviews with him.
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Speaker 3: We sat down, I think we scheduled out like two
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Speaker 3: hours every Friday for like a month or two. We
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Speaker 3: would sit down and have a conversation talking through like
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Speaker 3: the most important times and the craziest moments in the
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Speaker 3: show's history. And then our ghostwriter, Matt would go away
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Speaker 3: and he'd write something and then bring it back. And
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Speaker 3: he's a great guy, great writer. He did also all
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Speaker 3: the interviews. The smartest thing that we did in this
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Speaker 3: book was we had people that were guests on our
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Speaker 3: show come in and write a chapter for our book, right,
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Speaker 3: and so like that's that takes care of like a
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Speaker 3: quarter of it.
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Speaker 2: Anyways, Yeah, I've never heard of that concept before. I mean, jeez, you.
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Speaker 3: Understand the art of the fin yes, right, yes, and
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Speaker 3: uh and and that those parts turned out great. But
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Speaker 3: then we read the parts that Matt wrote in our voice,
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Speaker 3: and like we were very naive to think that a
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Speaker 3: ghostwriter could fully adapt our voice just from you know,
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Speaker 3: a few weeks hanging out with us. And he did
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Speaker 3: a great job in setting up like all the chapters
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Speaker 3: and the outlines and the interviews that he did with
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Speaker 3: the different athletes and personalities that we had write their
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Speaker 3: own chapter. But when it came to our voice telling
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Speaker 3: the story of you know, some of the historical parts
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Speaker 3: of our pod. We read it and we thought, our
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Speaker 3: listeners are gonna see this and they're gonna know that
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Speaker 3: it's not actually all work yes, and that that kind
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Speaker 3: of sucks, and we don't want that. So we we said, Matt,
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Speaker 3: you did a great job. We appreciate everything. We're gonna
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Speaker 3: go back. We're gonna use your outline and some of
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Speaker 3: the you know, facts that you've you've written down for
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Speaker 3: us here to kind of like keep us in line,
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Speaker 3: but we're gonna do some of that heavy lifting on
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Speaker 3: our own. So then that was like a two three
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Speaker 3: week mad dash where it felt like we were in
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Speaker 3: college all over again. Just we had deadlines and stuff
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Speaker 3: and and and uh shout out to Dom Big Cat's
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Speaker 3: assistant who really kind of spearheaded turning that outline and
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Speaker 3: like keeping us honest with like turning in assignments and stuff,
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Speaker 3: because without that never would have happened. But at the
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Speaker 3: end of the day, we have a book that we're
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Speaker 3: proud of that we feel like conveys our voice and
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Speaker 3: our thoughts accurately. So it was a labor of love
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Speaker 3: and I don't want to do it again for another
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Speaker 3: ten years.
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Speaker 1: The show is so great, and you guys have worked
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Speaker 1: so hard to build this show.
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Speaker 2: Was it fun? Was it gratifying to relive the first
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Speaker 2: ten years? It had to be?
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I don't know about you and how you
6:32
Speaker 3: kind of like look back on anything that you accomplished
6:35
Speaker 3: or like major moments that happened in your life. But
6:38
Speaker 3: we don't really We're not really like celebration guys, so
6:43
Speaker 3: we don't take that much time to think about something
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Speaker 3: that we've done, or like a cool moment that we
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Speaker 3: had as a podcast, or like different milestones that we've hit.
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Speaker 4: So this is really the first.
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Speaker 3: Time that we've sat down and gone through some of
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Speaker 3: those major moments in the podcast, and it did. It
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Speaker 3: was like a little bit emotional. It did bring out
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Speaker 3: some feelings that I haven't thought that I haven't felt,
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Speaker 3: I haven't thought about in years, and going through some
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Speaker 3: of the old pictures that Hank put in there that
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Speaker 3: I haven't seen were it was really cool. And so
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Speaker 3: I think it was you know, I hope people really
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Speaker 3: enjoy it. I hope they get a lot out of it.
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Speaker 3: And also at the same time, like I got a
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Speaker 3: lot out of writing it and out of reading what
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Speaker 3: Big Cat and Hank and Zach and Max what they
7:23
Speaker 3: all contributed as well. Zach might be a star, by
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Speaker 3: the way, he might be. If there's an author amongst us,
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Speaker 3: it might be Zach. His chapter on ice.
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Speaker 4: Cream STU it is.
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Speaker 3: It is unbelievable. I move over hardcore history because like
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Speaker 3: the history of ice cream through the eyes of Zach
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Speaker 3: Cornelius is absolutely incredible. He he we told him not
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Speaker 3: to edit anything that Zach wrote. He spelled hogendas h O,
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Speaker 3: G and sign da Z like Ben and Jerry's. He
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Speaker 3: thinks that every ice stream companies like Ben and Jerry's, Wod's,
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Speaker 3: two Guys, Right.
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Speaker 1: Basket and Robins.
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: So it was it was cool get to read those
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Speaker 3: guys chapters as well. And Memes tried to what his
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Speaker 3: chapter I think was like how to fix the Jets?
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Speaker 4: And I believe yes, I think.
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Speaker 3: That guy like in the time in between when we
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Speaker 3: sent the book to be published and uh and when
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Speaker 3: it came out, like four things happened that now make
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Speaker 3: Memes his theey on how to fix the jets completely?
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Speaker 2: They can't be fixed.
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Speaker 1: Who's the celebrity that you tried to get to write
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Speaker 1: a chapter that you couldn't get Oh that's.
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Speaker 4: A good question.
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Speaker 3: I don't know who who we reached out to that
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Speaker 3: might have said no.
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Speaker 2: For me, it was Wilbond.
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Speaker 3: I mean, oh really you asked him. He said no,
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Speaker 3: he's a busy man.
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Speaker 1: I asked him right the forward, Dan got offended. Will
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Speaker 1: Bond said no, and then they had to go with Lebantard.
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Speaker 5: I mean.
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Speaker 4: So we actually we.
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Speaker 3: Just had seth Wickersham in the studio today and he
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Speaker 3: told us the story about how he was working at
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Speaker 3: the Washington Post as an intern back in the day
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Speaker 3: and Mike Wilbons his license plate was press box.
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Speaker 4: How classy is that? How cool is that?
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Speaker 2: Right?
9:11
Speaker 3: Amazing Jay's stuff?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, car, he doesn't.
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Speaker 1: He where's that cubs though? I can tell you that much.
9:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll set some people off.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you have to have a lanyard on to
9:26
Speaker 3: get into the back seat of that thing.
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Speaker 4: I'm trying.
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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the cover right now. I'm trying to
9:29
Speaker 3: see if we asked anybody. I think we asked. We
9:33
Speaker 3: might have asked Harbaugh to write a chapter and he
9:36
Speaker 3: might have just not gotten back. Oh, Josh Allen, I
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Speaker 3: don't think now I might embarrass myself here because Josh
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Speaker 3: might have wrote a chapter.
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Speaker 1: It'd be if he has a chapter in the book.
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Speaker 1: I made that mistake, by the way, promoting the book.
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Speaker 4: It was last minute. It was last minute.
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Speaker 3: So Josh was tough to get in touch with because yeah,
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Speaker 3: we finally got him, so he did. He did do
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Speaker 3: the chapter at the end, so I would say him,
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Speaker 3: he's probably oh, and so Jim harball at the last minute.
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Speaker 4: They both said yes.
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Speaker 3: So I guess we had a couple of last minute
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Speaker 3: close calls where they said, yeah, we'll do it and
10:10
Speaker 3: then they just kind of put it off for a
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Speaker 3: long time. Yes, but they finally came through.
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Speaker 1: Wait, so both the guys that you gave me for
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Speaker 1: most disappointed you could get him the writer chapter in
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Speaker 1: the book. Both wrote a chapter in the book. God,
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Speaker 1: I am proud of you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd forgotten that they they finally made it happen.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Josh's credit, he's had a really cool offseason. He's,
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Speaker 3: you know, a happy man right now, newlywed, newlywed guy.
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Speaker 3: Uh and so he's obviously gonna be busy the months
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Speaker 3: in between February and training camp. But he did actually
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Speaker 3: get back to us, so shout out to him.
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Speaker 2: So the answer is no one, go ahead tell no one.
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Speaker 6: Has the show kept is the show kept getting bigger
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Speaker 6: and bigger? Who was the person that you've been most
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Speaker 6: surprised to find out is a fan of part of
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Speaker 6: my take?
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Speaker 3: Ooh, okay, that's another that's another good question too. They're
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Speaker 3: sometimes we get like musicians that hit us up and
11:02
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, we listened to the show. So I
11:05
Speaker 3: would say, like on that lines, I think wile A
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Speaker 3: is a fan.
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Speaker 4: That was cool.
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Speaker 3: The band uh, let's see the band Goose. They're all
11:16
Speaker 3: fans of the show. They were here in studio. There
11:21
Speaker 3: have been yeah, mount Joy, those guys are incredible. Dudes
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Speaker 3: love them. I think there's a lot of musicians that
11:27
Speaker 3: you don't really think about, Like country singers have have
11:31
Speaker 3: hit us up and they be like, yeah, I listened.
11:32
Speaker 3: Like there'll be sometimes where like a new name will
11:36
Speaker 3: win an event on the PGA tour and I'll just
11:38
Speaker 3: like look at their Twitter bio and then it's like, oh,
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Speaker 3: they follow me, Oh they ship they might listen to
11:44
Speaker 3: the show. Like that's kind of weird. I you know,
11:47
Speaker 3: one of the things that I had heard was was
11:49
Speaker 3: Bryson was a listener of the show and and he
11:53
Speaker 3: would like listen to us on the on the range,
11:56
Speaker 3: and then he may have stopped listening to the show
11:58
Speaker 3: because we we might have made a couple jokes when
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Speaker 3: he tried to call and Ruse a fish a little
12:03
Speaker 3: b fire and ant one time. But actually I think
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Speaker 3: the funniest one and it's not really part of my take,
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Speaker 3: but just Barstool in general, Scotty Shuffler, So I don't
12:12
Speaker 3: think Scotty listens to part of my take. But he's
12:15
Speaker 3: a massive fan of Stu Finer, and so he listens
12:19
Speaker 3: and watches the Barstool Sports Advisors. Every Sunday he goes
12:23
Speaker 3: to church and then afterwards he watches Stu Finer just
12:27
Speaker 3: scream into the camera about God knows what and what
12:30
Speaker 3: bets he likes in the NFL games coming up. Yeah,
12:33
Speaker 3: And it's just so funny to think about Scotty like
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Speaker 3: that's how he spends his Sunday mornings.
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Speaker 1: Yes, church and yeah, yeah, a big two yeah, unbelievable PFD.
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Speaker 1: When did you realize was there a moment for you?
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Speaker 1: I remember doing it building the show with Dan, and
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Speaker 1: there were a couple of moments where I remember, oh.
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Speaker 2: Man, we made it, We made it big.
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Speaker 1: Was there a moment for you and Big Kat where
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Speaker 1: you realized, oh my god, we got something here.
12:58
Speaker 2: This is going to be a monster.
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Speaker 3: I think when I got invited to participate in your
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Speaker 3: live show in New York City, I think that was
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Speaker 3: that was really cool, great moment.
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Speaker 4: That's an awesome moment. Jesus, it was a great show.
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Speaker 3: I think for us, it was probably pretty early on
13:19
Speaker 3: we didn't really expect the response to our first interview
13:24
Speaker 3: with Blake Griffin to be what it was, where all
13:27
Speaker 3: of a sudden, the small stories he was telling us
13:29
Speaker 3: were becoming, you know, stories in sports ilitary dot com
13:33
Speaker 3: and it was making news. We didn't expect that when
13:36
Speaker 3: we had Kyle Wiltscher on the show that he would
13:39
Speaker 3: talk about Adam Morrison's Apocalypse bunker and then that would
13:42
Speaker 3: become national news. But then we learned, okay, this is
13:45
Speaker 3: you know what you do when you have a controversy.
13:47
Speaker 3: Then now we have to have Adam Morrison on the
13:49
Speaker 3: show to get his side of the Apocalypse sports story.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and that's how you do it. That's how he
13:54
Speaker 4: keeps the cycle going.
13:55
Speaker 3: And then at Adam Morrison came on the show, and
13:57
Speaker 3: he denied having an apocalypse bunker in a way that
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Speaker 3: sure seemed he made it seem like he did have
14:03
Speaker 3: in the backclips bumper and he's like, it's not really
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Speaker 3: a bunker. There's like only a few guns, and I
14:10
Speaker 3: don't even have that much canned food, but it's it
14:14
Speaker 3: seemed like it might be bunker adjacent. And then there
14:18
Speaker 3: was another moment. It's like a really small one. But
14:20
Speaker 3: we had a We had Ryan Whitney on the show,
14:23
Speaker 3: who's currently, you know, a podcast star of his own,
14:26
Speaker 3: but he was he wasn't at that point. He might
14:29
Speaker 3: have still been maybe just recently retired from the NHL.
14:32
Speaker 3: And he talked to us about how he would spend
14:35
Speaker 3: his summer breaks back in Situate, Massachusetts with Hank and
14:39
Speaker 3: he'd go to this one beach and he'd be gassing
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Speaker 3: beers and chuck and nuts was the phrase that he
14:44
Speaker 3: gave us, And so we just put that on a
14:46
Speaker 3: T shirt. And I moved to New York because the
14:49
Speaker 3: whole company was moving to New York, and I went
14:52
Speaker 3: out to this wing place my first day there, and
14:55
Speaker 3: the waiter came up to me and he was wearing
14:56
Speaker 3: a gas and Beers and chuck and nuts shirt and
14:59
Speaker 3: that was a first place I went out in New
15:00
Speaker 3: York and I was like, wow, this does have like
15:03
Speaker 3: that's pretty incredible. And that was a moment where it's like, Okay,
15:06
Speaker 3: people are listening to me. As much as I try
15:10
Speaker 3: not to think about it, I don't know how you
15:12
Speaker 3: guys operate, but like, I don't like to think about
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Speaker 3: the number of people that hear my takes. Like it's
15:18
Speaker 3: just a conversation kind of in this room, and then
15:21
Speaker 3: what happens after he gets out there. That's between you know,
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Speaker 3: them and the Lord. But I can't think about that
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Speaker 3: many people hearing me talk.
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Speaker 1: I just imagine everyone's listening to my take. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you, so it's odd
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Speaker 1: that you don't.
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Speaker 2: But that's validating.
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Speaker 1: When you see someone wearing a T shirt, it validates
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Speaker 1: what it is you're doing, right, Yeah.
15:39
Speaker 3: And then it does so I felt like a big
15:42
Speaker 3: shot and I was like, man, look at us moving
15:44
Speaker 3: all this merch.
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Speaker 4: That's pretty cool. I went back and looked at the numbers.
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Speaker 3: I think we sold like seven shirts that said gas
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Speaker 3: and beers and chucking ducks. It just happened to be
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Speaker 3: this one guy had.
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Speaker 5: One yes pft.
16:05
Speaker 6: Speaking of big shots ESPN the canceling Barstool Van Talk
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Speaker 6: after one episode, it feels like that was almost a
16:12
Speaker 6: blessing in disguise, because do you think pardon my take
16:15
Speaker 6: becomes what it is today if you guys had to
16:17
Speaker 6: juggle that show and the podcast A good question?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I absolutely not. I think there
16:25
Speaker 3: were so many red flags in the days and months
16:28
Speaker 3: leading up to that show that we just we just
16:30
Speaker 3: blew right past them and we had, you know, the
16:33
Speaker 3: blinders on. We just wanted to be on TV. It's like,
16:36
Speaker 3: one day we'll be on ESPN. That's pretty cool.
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Speaker 4: They weren't. They weren't gonna pay us.
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Speaker 3: I think me and Big Kat we're gonna make something
16:43
Speaker 3: like I don't think we're gonna make any any money
16:45
Speaker 3: at all. I think Barstool was gonna make like fifteen
16:48
Speaker 3: thousand dollars off this first season, and all that money
16:52
Speaker 3: was going to go to hiring like an assistant producer
16:55
Speaker 3: for the show. So ESPN was going to get our
16:59
Speaker 3: TV show. We weren't going to get paid any money
17:01
Speaker 3: for it. We were going to have to work an
17:03
Speaker 3: additional forty hours a week probably on the show, and
17:07
Speaker 3: it would have been a disaster. We've been burnt out.
17:10
Speaker 3: The show probably wouldn't have been any good at all
17:11
Speaker 3: by the end of it because we're working all these
17:13
Speaker 3: different all these different gigs here. And Yeah, we learned
17:17
Speaker 3: a lot of lessons from that, and maybe the biggest
17:20
Speaker 3: one was just that just because people tell you something
17:24
Speaker 3: might be a good idea, you don't have to listen
17:27
Speaker 3: to people like people don't know they might. You might
17:29
Speaker 3: run into people in the business that think that they
17:31
Speaker 3: know what's best for you, but at the end of
17:33
Speaker 3: the day, they think they know what's best for them, yes,
17:36
Speaker 3: and you're just a piece in their own plan that
17:39
Speaker 3: they're trying to pull off. Yes, and uh.
17:42
Speaker 2: Them correct exactly exactly.
17:45
Speaker 3: So there are so many, so many warning flags going
17:48
Speaker 3: into that whole thing. And we told a bunch of
17:51
Speaker 3: stories that we haven't we haven't shared before, but one
17:54
Speaker 3: of them in the book was I took a meeting.
17:57
Speaker 3: Let's see, it was with uh So, the vice president
18:00
Speaker 3: that used to always be late coming into all the meetings.
18:03
Speaker 3: Was an interesting one. And then afterwards, as my contract
18:08
Speaker 3: is coming up, I took a meeting with the guy
18:10
Speaker 3: that would come to be known as Suitman from the
18:13
Speaker 3: Color Daddy Fiasco of twenty twenty.
18:16
Speaker 4: Yes, and this is right before that.
18:17
Speaker 3: And so he was trying to explain what he's at
18:20
Speaker 3: HBO and where I might fit into that equation and
18:23
Speaker 3: some ideas he had for my career and how barstool
18:26
Speaker 3: might be holding me back in a certain regard, and
18:29
Speaker 3: how that could all be you know, something that's behind
18:31
Speaker 3: us if I worked for HBO. And I just remember
18:33
Speaker 3: walking out of that meeting and saying, like, seems like
18:36
Speaker 3: a smart guy knows what he's talking about, But I
18:38
Speaker 3: don't think that he actually knows what I do, right,
18:40
Speaker 3: because I think he just knows in theory that people
18:44
Speaker 3: listen to me sometimes. But some of the suggestions was
18:49
Speaker 3: like you could be uh, like I can see you
18:51
Speaker 3: be in the next Jimmy Kimmel. It's like, I don't know,
18:54
Speaker 3: like how much you know about me or like what
18:55
Speaker 3: I like my skill set. I don't think that I'm
18:58
Speaker 3: going to be the next Jimmy Kimmel. I think that
19:01
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna try to be the best met that
19:02
Speaker 3: I could. But you know, and then a few months
19:05
Speaker 3: later you learned that, oh wow, this guy is like
19:07
Speaker 3: trying to break up. Call her daddy too, and he's
19:10
Speaker 3: he ran the Sofia playbook on me, right, So that
19:13
Speaker 3: was that was kind of a funny moment. We tell
19:15
Speaker 3: that story in the book and a few other things
19:18
Speaker 3: about that whole era.
19:20
Speaker 4: But the good news is we've learned.
19:22
Speaker 3: You learned a lot from those types of situations, and
19:25
Speaker 3: we were very naive when it came to the business
19:27
Speaker 3: of sports media, and I think that was a big
19:30
Speaker 3: time eye opening moment for us.
19:31
Speaker 6: Hefty. I love how creative you are and outside the
19:35
Speaker 6: box thinking you have when it comes to football. I
19:37
Speaker 6: have a rule I want to pitch to you, and
19:38
Speaker 6: if you like it, you can have it.
19:40
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, Okay, I mean well football.
19:42
Speaker 6: It's it's the backup quarterback rule. You can only use
19:46
Speaker 6: it once a game and using a decibel meter, if
19:50
Speaker 6: fans chant for the other team's backup quarterback loudly enough,
19:53
Speaker 6: the coach has to put him in the game. I
19:56
Speaker 6: like that advantage.
19:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. Which team do you think like
20:01
Speaker 3: would get the loudest Arrowhead Stadium? Like breaks the way
20:05
Speaker 3: it goes back and forth between them and Seattle.
20:06
Speaker 4: Who the loudest is I think.
20:12
Speaker 3: I mean if if the Rams, no, no, if the
20:15
Speaker 3: Cardinals went up to Seattle, I could see that crowd
20:18
Speaker 3: getting very loud for Carson Beck. See that happening. But
20:22
Speaker 3: then you gotta be careful what you wish for. You
20:23
Speaker 3: might have your mo Lewis moment. Like I'm sure I'm
20:26
Speaker 3: sure Jets fans would have been cheering for Tom Brady
20:29
Speaker 3: to come in, right.
20:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, but why cheer for Carson Beck when you're playing
20:32
Speaker 1: against Jacobe Brissette.
20:33
Speaker 2: I mean, just leave him in there?
20:34
Speaker 3: Who cares put a little respect on his name to
20:37
Speaker 3: that man, he had the most successful holdout of the offseason.
20:41
Speaker 3: I don't know if I was enthralled by that holdout.
20:43
Speaker 3: I don't know if you felt the same way. But
20:46
Speaker 3: like Jacoby Pressett, he had the Cardinals over a barrel.
20:49
Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't know he had to holdout in him
20:51
Speaker 1: left like I was like, what do you mean? It's
20:53
Speaker 1: Jacobysett towards the end of his career.
20:55
Speaker 3: I think he never held out before, and so he
20:58
Speaker 3: was like, before I'm gone, I wanted I want to
21:01
Speaker 3: get one holdout, bucket list holdout, yeah, bucketless holdout yes,
21:04
Speaker 3: And now he wishes he had done it more right,
21:06
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, now it's like ship man, You're.
21:10
Speaker 1: Okay, you could cares. The guys were making fun of me.
21:13
Speaker 1: What's the worst take? We play a game around here
21:15
Speaker 1: called worst take. Okay, they were making fun of me.
21:18
Speaker 1: I made two within the same show. The first one
21:21
Speaker 1: was Seattle, who won the Super Bowl last year, would
21:23
Speaker 1: not make the playoffs this year. The other one was
21:26
Speaker 1: if Ryan Day went winless this entire season, he would
21:29
Speaker 1: still get his job back at Ohio State next season.
21:32
Speaker 2: Which one it's it's ridiculous.
21:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have him losing the ball state in Kent
21:37
Speaker 1: State and still get it's still getting get what's the
21:42
Speaker 1: worst thing.
21:43
Speaker 4: The worst take that that I've ever had?
21:45
Speaker 2: Well, of those two and then you've ever had, Yes, let's.
21:48
Speaker 3: Do that between those two. Okay, I'll evaluate your takes.
21:51
Speaker 3: I think that.
21:53
Speaker 4: See, not making the playoffs isn't crazy.
21:55
Speaker 2: Thank you.
21:56
Speaker 3: That's not it's it's a good take bad it's dumb, right,
21:59
Speaker 3: thank you.
21:59
Speaker 4: It's it's like, it's like pretty.
22:00
Speaker 3: Stupid, but it's not. It's not one of the worst
22:03
Speaker 3: takes that I've ever heard. Yeah, it's pretty dumb. I
22:07
Speaker 3: think that you know, there is a world out there
22:09
Speaker 3: where the Niners and the Rams they make the playoffs,
22:12
Speaker 3: Seattle doesn't little super Bowl hangover that happens to the
22:15
Speaker 3: best of us. But yeah, Ohio State, I would say
22:19
Speaker 3: if they lost, if they went over, I don't think actually,
22:25
Speaker 3: I don't think it's possible.
22:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.
22:27
Speaker 3: I think that. I think if they lost their first
22:30
Speaker 3: six games, you'd probably be fired.
22:31
Speaker 1: Well, first three. I think two of the first three
22:33
Speaker 1: are Kent State and the other state.
22:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and Ball State. He loses those two, he's fired, right, Yeah,
22:38
Speaker 2: three games.
22:39
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of questions asked at that point. Yeah,
22:41
Speaker 3: all right, so yeah, easily, that would easily.
22:43
Speaker 2: What's your worst take of all to ten years.
22:47
Speaker 3: I don't even know if you can consider this a
22:49
Speaker 3: takes as much. It was like a dumb idea. I
22:53
Speaker 3: was convinced that Giannis could dunk a free throw, and
22:59
Speaker 3: that it would that it might maybe maybe by the
23:02
Speaker 3: letter of the law, it might not be illegal. I
23:06
Speaker 3: was like, what if he jumps in the air and
23:08
Speaker 3: he like gets above the remedy, throws it down really
23:11
Speaker 3: fast and the ball goes through and hits the ground
23:14
Speaker 3: before his feet land, is that technically a lane violation,
23:18
Speaker 3: and everybody.
23:19
Speaker 4: Was like, yes, yes it is, it's it's of course
23:21
Speaker 4: for a sure lane violation.
23:22
Speaker 2: Yes.
23:23
Speaker 4: I was like, but what is that?
23:24
Speaker 3: Is there like airspace above the foul line that you
23:28
Speaker 3: can't violate? How does that work? I thought it was
23:29
Speaker 3: when you're feet at the ground. Yeah, so yeah, that's
23:32
Speaker 3: I had like a five minute take where I thought
23:35
Speaker 3: that was the answer to his his free throw wolves PFT.
23:39
Speaker 6: As an alum, if we were baking a credit pie,
23:41
Speaker 6: how much credit does jam you get for Indiana's national
23:44
Speaker 6: championship in football? Since you guys are the ones who
23:47
Speaker 6: kind of birthed Kirk Signetti.
23:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's probably, uh, that's probably seventy
23:53
Speaker 3: five percent at least hang the remaining Yeah, they'll give
23:57
Speaker 3: the remaining twenty five to Fernando Mendoza. But listen, if
24:01
Speaker 3: you look at the first guys that touched the trophy
24:04
Speaker 3: after they won, it was four guys that were all
24:07
Speaker 3: Jmut transfers. They were the first ones there on the
24:09
Speaker 3: field that held it up. So actually, I'm gonna go
24:12
Speaker 3: seventy JMU. I'm gonna go fifteen percent, yeah Mendoza, and
24:19
Speaker 3: then ten percent. I'm gonna go with Mike Kadik, who
24:22
Speaker 3: really changed the culture at Indiana before leaving to become
24:26
Speaker 3: a Barstool Sports employee. He was their center for a
24:30
Speaker 3: few years, so everything after him was great.
24:33
Speaker 2: Indiana basketball school or football school.
24:36
Speaker 4: I'd say it's a football state.
24:39
Speaker 3: In forty nine other states, it's just football in Indiana,
24:43
Speaker 3: it's life. I mean, Indiana is not only national champions.
24:46
Speaker 3: They're getting the Bears. They'll probably have the Bengals in
24:50
Speaker 3: a couple of years. They might have the Lions. At
24:52
Speaker 3: some point, maybe the Chiefs might move to Indiana's every
24:56
Speaker 3: state that's near No no state is safe, right, Ma
25:00
Speaker 3: and Stu's words. Make no mistake about it. Indiana's coming
25:04
Speaker 3: for your football teams.
25:05
Speaker 5: Yes.
25:06
Speaker 1: Part of my book Ten Years of the Best and
25:08
Speaker 1: Worst in Sports from part of my take by it
25:11
Speaker 1: wherever you get your books. So you have inspired Taylor
25:14
Speaker 1: here with your fastest two minutes. He puts something together
25:18
Speaker 1: baseball wise, Taylor, why don't you set this up? It's
25:20
Speaker 1: a it's Chris Berman calling a baseball game.
25:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's opening day. It was Red's Red Sox A.
25:27
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure it was a three to nothing win.
25:30
Speaker 6: But I love the fastest two minutes and I love
25:32
Speaker 6: the again the creativity that it comes with writing. So
25:35
Speaker 6: this was that segment. We go out to Cincinnati to
25:39
Speaker 6: Great American Ballpark, or as I like to call it,
25:42
Speaker 6: Late American Ballpark because we're still waiting for the Reds
25:45
Speaker 6: offense to show up on the bump. For Boston, it
25:49
Speaker 6: was Garrett croch Ay.
25:51
Speaker 2: Can you see he throws.
25:54
Speaker 6: Six scoreless innings in his season debut. It's leading the
25:57
Speaker 6: way for the Socks. At the plate, it was roaming
26:00
Speaker 6: Carmelo Anthony for three hits, and Jaron Duran. Duran, who
26:06
Speaker 6: was hungry like a wolf for this season to get started,
26:09
Speaker 6: said forget your state farm, forget your all steak. I've
26:12
Speaker 6: got your insurance right here, adding that third run for
26:16
Speaker 6: good measure in the ninth, then in for the save.
26:19
Speaker 6: It was a raaldish chap Man. I feel like a woman,
26:23
Speaker 6: much like my woman watching sports with me. The only
26:27
Speaker 6: thing he wanted was for that game to end Red
26:29
Speaker 6: Sox three, Red zero.
26:32
Speaker 4: It's pretty good good. That was good stuff. I say
26:37
Speaker 4: that has a great boomerang tip my hat to that.
26:41
Speaker 3: One One of my favorite things is when somebody does
26:44
Speaker 3: like a Chris Berman style like fastest two minutes and
26:48
Speaker 3: people are like, why are you ripping off part of
26:50
Speaker 3: my take?
26:51
Speaker 5: Right?
26:51
Speaker 3: And they don't like some people don't understand, like, no,
26:54
Speaker 3: this is Chris, it's Chris Berman, Like it's not part
26:56
Speaker 3: of my take.
26:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you did it first, you know, sports radio,
27:00
Speaker 1: you know podcasting, or.
27:02
Speaker 3: Like somebody says they do a Mount Rushmore in the summertime,
27:06
Speaker 3: like a local Mount ruck. Oh what do you think
27:08
Speaker 3: is on the Mount Rushmore of Houston athletes? You know
27:11
Speaker 3: that daytime sports if you're if you run a station
27:14
Speaker 3: in in southeast Texas and people like, why are you
27:16
Speaker 3: ripping off part of my take? It's like no, like
27:18
Speaker 3: everyone Mount Rushmore. That's how people got through the summertimes
27:22
Speaker 3: in sports talk radio. Correct, And so we just wanted
27:25
Speaker 3: to do that but way over the top, But those
27:28
Speaker 3: are always funny moments.
27:29
Speaker 1: Well we stole it from me. We have an entire
27:31
Speaker 1: day dedicated to it, Mount Rushmore Mondays. So I mean, yeah, yeah,
27:35
Speaker 1: that's what we do. I mean, we're all thieves in
27:37
Speaker 1: this business, aren't we. I mean seriously pretty much.
27:40
Speaker 3: Yeah.
27:40
Speaker 1: I mean you take an idea from someone else. It
27:42
Speaker 1: could be a small little local show and rowing out
27:44
Speaker 1: Virginia and just hope that no one calls you out
27:46
Speaker 1: on it, you know, Yeah.
27:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that's how it's done.
27:48
Speaker 3: It's almost like, yeah, it's an homage, and that's how
27:52
Speaker 3: That's how half of popular music got started in the
27:54
Speaker 3: United States. It's like you, here's some band in a
27:57
Speaker 3: in a dive bar, and you're like, I like the
27:58
Speaker 3: sound of that.
28:00
Speaker 4: Had to cash in.
28:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna get you out of here in just
28:03
Speaker 1: a second part of my book. By it wherever you
28:05
Speaker 1: get your books. The biggest fight you and Big Cat
28:08
Speaker 1: have ever gotten into?
28:10
Speaker 4: Biggest fight?
28:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you guys fight?
28:14
Speaker 4: We don't know.
28:14
Speaker 1: We don't really fight because I know you love each
28:16
Speaker 1: other and you respect each other, and that's what makes
28:18
Speaker 1: it work. I'm just wondering if there was, if there's
28:20
Speaker 1: ever been a fight that's yeah.
28:21
Speaker 3: We don't we don't really fight. The only time that
28:23
Speaker 3: we've kind of fought was over a dipspit bottle. Okay,
28:27
Speaker 3: and this was probably like seven years ago. I was
28:32
Speaker 3: spinning into like a mountain dew bottle. Pretty gross at
28:35
Speaker 3: the time, I'll admit that, But like we were all
28:37
Speaker 3: spin into weird stuff back then, you know, it's it's
28:40
Speaker 3: just the era.
28:41
Speaker 5: Uh.
28:42
Speaker 4: But Big Cat also had a dip spit bottle.
28:44
Speaker 3: I left mine that was like probably three quarters filled
28:48
Speaker 3: with dipspit behind him in the studio, and then I
28:51
Speaker 3: didn't remember leaving it there. I thought i'd thrown it out,
28:54
Speaker 3: and somebody asked, like, whose dipspit bottle is at? I
28:56
Speaker 3: was like, it's not mine, and because like, yes it is,
28:59
Speaker 3: it's over the years, and yeah, it probably what was mine,
29:04
Speaker 3: but I did not remember leaving it there. So I
29:07
Speaker 3: fought those allegations for probably like two or three days
29:12
Speaker 3: until I finally relented when I was again, okay, is
29:14
Speaker 3: my dip spit right?
29:15
Speaker 4: Are you happy? I admit it?
29:17
Speaker 3: But sometimes guys don't want to admit that they did
29:19
Speaker 3: anything wrong.
29:19
Speaker 1: Of course you're you're a massive Commanders fan scale of
29:23
Speaker 1: one to ten. Your concern level on Jaden Daniel's mom, Well.
29:28
Speaker 4: I can't say it's a five, so I would say.
29:32
Speaker 2: Out of respect, got of respect.
29:34
Speaker 3: But you know what I was thinking about though, because
29:36
Speaker 3: like all the brands are having their day with the
29:38
Speaker 3: memes out there. If you if you are a social
29:42
Speaker 3: media manager for a brand and you have not made
29:44
Speaker 3: a number five joke in the last three days, what.
29:47
Speaker 4: Are you doing?
29:47
Speaker 3: You're as good as fired say, on top of the trends,
29:50
Speaker 3: but the brands are all over it. I've seen all
29:52
Speaker 3: the memes. They're pretty funny. But I was also allowing
29:55
Speaker 3: myself to think yesterday, if he balls out, if he
29:59
Speaker 3: has an awesome sea and those number five memes are
30:02
Speaker 3: all they're flipping, and now they're becoming positive where I'm
30:05
Speaker 3: going to be making those same jokes.
30:07
Speaker 4: But it's because he's so good again.
30:09
Speaker 3: That anytime you got something like that you can attack
30:12
Speaker 3: somebody with saying be careful because it might flip around
30:15
Speaker 3: on you. The love of concern with his mom is
30:17
Speaker 3: higher than it's been. I can't imagine that Jaden is
30:22
Speaker 3: the kind of guy that spent a single second worrying
30:25
Speaker 3: about his the LSU copy of the Heisman trophy or
30:31
Speaker 3: a new recruit being promised the number five. Everything I
30:35
Speaker 3: know about the guy, everyone that's ever met him will
30:37
Speaker 3: tell you the same thing, which is like, he does
30:40
Speaker 3: not care. He doesn't have an ego, but some people
30:43
Speaker 3: around him might. And I thought that his mom in
30:45
Speaker 3: the past, like she's a little over the top, but
30:48
Speaker 3: ultimately she cares about protecting her son, which is a
30:51
Speaker 3: good thing. She might go overboard, but I think it's
30:54
Speaker 3: a positive thing that she wants to look out for
30:56
Speaker 3: him in life. Now it's to the point where she
30:59
Speaker 3: has it seams started to cause some headaches for him,
31:03
Speaker 3: and that's not a good thing.
31:05
Speaker 4: But again, I think this is all.
31:07
Speaker 3: It will be water under the bridge if we start winning,
31:10
Speaker 3: that's how it goes. It's not a problem if we
31:12
Speaker 3: start out four O, not a problem anymore.
31:15
Speaker 2: Right exactly? Winning cares all.
31:16
Speaker 1: Yes, part of my book ten Years of the Best
31:20
Speaker 1: and Worst in Sports from the Biggest show going part
31:23
Speaker 1: of my take pft, we appreciate it. By the way,
31:25
Speaker 1: if you purchase that book quickly enough, you'll read the
31:28
Speaker 1: Josh Allen chapter before the author does. I mean, how
31:30
Speaker 1: about that, that's true.
31:32
Speaker 3: I need to read I need to read the chapter
31:34
Speaker 3: that Josh himself wrote. And yeah, there's actually a number
31:40
Speaker 3: now that I'm looking at the interviews, there's now three
31:42
Speaker 3: that I have not read yet. Those are those aren't
31:47
Speaker 3: my words, those are their words.
31:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:51
Speaker 4: But I think it's a good book. I think people
31:53
Speaker 4: will enjoy it.
31:54
Speaker 3: And if you don't, then just wait another ten years
31:56
Speaker 3: for the sequel that'll be better.
31:57
Speaker 5: All right.
31:57
Speaker 1: Support these guys. They're great guys. They work card, the
32:00
Speaker 1: show is fantastic. Support them by their book part of
32:02
Speaker 1: my book. At wherever you get your books, we appreciate it.
32:05
Speaker 2: PF T.
32:06
Speaker 3: Stude, I got one question for you, oh boy, you
32:08
Speaker 3: always have to bring your own question to an interview
32:10
Speaker 3: of yours.
32:11
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, give.
32:12
Speaker 3: Me a prediction for the Jets, because our guy memes
32:14
Speaker 3: he every day that I see him, he's either like,
32:17
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna go seventeen and oh or we're
32:19
Speaker 3: gonna go oh in seventeen. I can't I can't get
32:21
Speaker 3: a pulse on it.
32:22
Speaker 2: I just don't want him to go nine and eight
32:23
Speaker 2: or eight and nine.
32:24
Speaker 1: That's, you know, if you're gonna be if you're gonna
32:27
Speaker 1: be bad, be really really bad, bad enough where you
32:29
Speaker 1: can get one of these quarterbacks in next year's draft.
32:32
Speaker 1: The problem with the Jets is they're bad at the
32:35
Speaker 1: wrong times. They're good at the wrong times. They're rarely
32:38
Speaker 1: ever good. My prediction is listen, Oh god, I don't
32:42
Speaker 1: like naking predictions on the Jets. He well, Mikey knows
32:48
Speaker 1: what I'm battling here. I think the Jets are gonna
32:50
Speaker 1: be good. I just don't want to say it.
32:53
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say. I'm going to say. I'm going to
32:55
Speaker 2: say eleven and six for the Jets. How about that?
32:58
Speaker 3: Okay, that's perfect, and so Lockchino up long term?
33:02
Speaker 2: Of course, yes, we had him when he was a rookie.
33:08
Speaker 3: I didn't know if you were all aboard the arch
33:10
Speaker 3: Manning sweepstakes or not.
33:11
Speaker 2: Well, no, because the Mannings won't let him go play
33:14
Speaker 2: for the Jets. You know that.
33:15
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that was my theory that I told
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Speaker 3: the Memes and he hasn't talked to me since.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they're avoiding the Jets like the plug and they should.
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Speaker 1: All right, but you guys continued success, good luck with
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Speaker 1: the books. I had a big cat for us, and
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Speaker 1: we appreciate you doing this.
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Speaker 5: Man.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll have to stop in when you're in Chicago.
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Speaker 4: Quit ducking us.
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Speaker 2: Done, I am, I'm ducking you. Taylor said, stop ducking them.
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Speaker 1: He did right before we got started.
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Speaker 2: He said, why do you duck these guys all time?
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Speaker 1: Because I was like, hey, they didn't invite me to
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Speaker 1: come on and promote my book.
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Speaker 4: I mean, well, Sue, let's tell the whole story here.
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Speaker 3: You think you've been invited on part of my take
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Speaker 3: twice while you've been in town. Yes, and both times
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Speaker 3: you've been like, hey, I can't make it. Sorry, I'm leaving.
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Speaker 4: But that's good.
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Speaker 3: It makes us you know we're pursuing you now. The
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Speaker 3: white whale people always ask us like, who's your white whale.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be Lebron and Stu Gotts. We just can't
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Speaker 3: get them.
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Speaker 2: I sent that text from first class on the way
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Speaker 2: out of town. How about that I'll be there for you?
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Speaker 2: And it was three times, by the way.
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Speaker 1: I love it all right, See all right, thank you,
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Speaker 1: good luck for us, all right, thanks PFT