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Draft Kings’ AI Exploitation, More Crony Corruption, Mexico's Mobile Phones, Election Infrastructure · IndieNewsNow LIVE! Clips

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  SPEAKER_01: Who are these people?
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  SPEAKER_02: This is where these are really long articles in most cases that I'm not going
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  SPEAKER_02: to read the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to show you a headline,
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  SPEAKER_02: talk about it for a minute,
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  SPEAKER_02: tell you to go read it,
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  SPEAKER_02: and all the links will be in the Substack post that has all the links
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  SPEAKER_02: from tonight's show.
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  SPEAKER_02: So The first one tonight is Derek Brose.
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  SPEAKER_02: Derek Brose is a founding member of the Independent Media Alliance,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is like INN on steroids in a way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some of the largest creators independently all got together and agreed to create
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  SPEAKER_02: a network where they do collaborative live streams.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's at some point going to be a website that hosts all of their stuff,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it's about 17,
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  SPEAKER_02: 18 people that have all agreed to kind of worked together and a lot
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  SPEAKER_02: of them were ahead of the curve on COVID.
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot of them have been ahead of the curve on a lot of things for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Derek's headline here is that, and he lives in Mexico.
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  SPEAKER_02: He just got back from New York.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was here for the 9-11 quote-unquote
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  SPEAKER_02: celebration for the memorial.
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  SPEAKER_02: They had a symposium for two days, and he was interviewing people.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think he even spoke on a panel about 9-11 trutherism,
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  SPEAKER_02: about the pilots,
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  SPEAKER_02: about all the questions about 9-11, which that's not what this is about.
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  SPEAKER_02: Derek published an article in The Last American Vagabond, Ryan at T-Lab.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm a big fan, Indie Media Award honoree.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, Ryan and Derek.
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  SPEAKER_02: Derek does publish occasionally over at Ryan's website,
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  SPEAKER_02: exclusive articles that he then copies over to his Substack.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he published this one last week called
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  SPEAKER_02: The Mexican Government is Cutting Off Users Who Refuse
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  SPEAKER_02: to Register Their Phone Lines Using Facial Recognition.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's no bueno.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is a slippery slope.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know our friend Jax Page is now in Mexico.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know we've got other friends that live down in Mexico,
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  SPEAKER_02: Hervoye Morik over from Geopolitics and Empire,
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  SPEAKER_02: who is also a member of the Independent Media Alliance.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they certainly know from which they speak.
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  SPEAKER_02: The subheading says millions
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  SPEAKER_02: of Mexican citizens have had their phone lines disconnected after refusing
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  SPEAKER_02: to register their identities with phone companies.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's not good.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to,
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  SPEAKER_02: again, leave a link to this so you can read it over at thelastamericanvagabond.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to steal Steve Poikinen, another Indie Media Award honoree.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to steal his line.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go to lastamericanvagabond.com for all your lastamericanvagabond.needs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shout out Derek also.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Derek's on Telegram, Twitter,
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  SPEAKER_01: Substack as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: Next, over on Substack, my friend Arturo Dominguez at Decolonized Journalism.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am a paid monthly annual subscriber at Decolonized Journalism.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just had my one-year anniversary and just re-upped for the year.
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  SPEAKER_02: DHS's Dangerous Election Infrastructure Security Plan.
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  SPEAKER_02: This one is actually part of a twofer combined with Someone who's sitting
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  SPEAKER_02: in chat right now,
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  SPEAKER_02: Descent in Bloom,
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  SPEAKER_02: who wrote an outstanding article about all of the different ways
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  SPEAKER_02: that our infrastructure is under attack.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what Arturo says is from threatening to arrest election officials
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  SPEAKER_02: to creating systems that all but federalize control over U.S.
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  SPEAKER_02: elections, democracy is on the brink.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think That Arturo is a little pie in the sky about democracy,
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  SPEAKER_02: quote unquote, as it is to begin with.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, his opening paragraph is that on Thursday,
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  SPEAKER_02: DHS and CISA issued its 2026 election infrastructure security plan,
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  SPEAKER_02: which dissent also will talk about.
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  SPEAKER_02: The plan which boasts that it will protect critical infrastructure as
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  SPEAKER_02: a pretext threatens election integrity in numerous ways.
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  SPEAKER_02: While the program is being referred to as voluntary,
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  SPEAKER_02: Homeland Security Secretary Mark Wynne-Mullen emphatically declared
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  SPEAKER_02: that it will be implemented in full.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fuck these people.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's Arturo's article about this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go read that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And again, what?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to bring Dissent's article here.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where she says, it's more than just the voting machines.
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  SPEAKER_02: The system is being targeted too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Voter verification systems are at risk of election day cyber attacks, says Trump even.
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  SPEAKER_02: So why purge the people who prevent that?
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  SPEAKER_02: And again, this is a long article with several different sections.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to skip right down because very conveniently and very nice for all
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  SPEAKER_02: of us, she did put a TLDR.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we're going to skip to the TLDR.
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  SPEAKER_02: Since the start of Trump's second term,
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  SPEAKER_02: the Justice Department has sued states over their voter rules,
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  SPEAKER_02: while Homeland Security agents with less than two hours
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  SPEAKER_02: of training have been combing those records as part of an unlawful voter initiative.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's not alarming or anything, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Project 2025 proposed to gut the cybersecurity agency tasked
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  SPEAKER_02: with protecting election infrastructure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now they're carrying it out.
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  SPEAKER_02: The administration gutted much of that capacity,
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  SPEAKER_02: and now the EAC,
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  SPEAKER_02: the Election Assistance Commission,
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  SPEAKER_02: has no commissioners, even as new voting systems continue to be certified.
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  SPEAKER_02: One of them actually went to go work at the Heritage Foundation.
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  SPEAKER_02: Meanwhile,
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  SPEAKER_02: former Republican election official Scott Leindecker now owns both Dominion's
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  SPEAKER_02: successor and the country's largest commercial electronic poll book company.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why that matters?
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  SPEAKER_02: Read the article.
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  SPEAKER_02: Voter data,
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  SPEAKER_02: voter certification,
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  SPEAKER_02: Elections,
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  SPEAKER_02: cybersecurity,
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  SPEAKER_02: and voting machinery have all been put into
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  SPEAKER_02: a landscape that's been fundamentally reshaped just months before the midterms.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not just the machines.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the whole damn system.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know what I say?
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  SPEAKER_02: I advocate for none of the above because this entire system is rigged in
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  SPEAKER_02: so many ways and at so many levels.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's almost no way they're not going to get the outcome that they want.
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  SPEAKER_02: So your participation in that system,
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  SPEAKER_02: in my personal opinion,
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  SPEAKER_02: is tacit and tantamount to giving your permission for them to do exactly that.
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  SPEAKER_02: None of the above.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry for the people who disagree with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's just how I feel about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, I know that that's,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it's not part of some massive effort to discourage people to not vote.
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  SPEAKER_02: The system is plenty good at doing that without any help from anyone on its own.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_02: So, next in the lightning round,
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  SPEAKER_02: another twofer is that I wanted to talk about this crazy investigation.
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  SPEAKER_02: Holy crap.
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  SPEAKER_02: Into DraftKings.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is from the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to read this one.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is short.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I'll show you the long article that goes with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: DraftKings is using AI to supercharge the harms of online behavioral advertising.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let me blow this up a little bit more.
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  SPEAKER_02: Online sports betting company DraftKings,
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  SPEAKER_02: we've talked about them before,
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  SPEAKER_02: is using AI to target customers who are most likely to place losing bets and respond
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  SPEAKER_02: to gambling promotions.
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  SPEAKER_02: This kind of targeting is a form of online behavioral advertising,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is when companies personalize the ads they show you based on
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  SPEAKER_02: the data they've collected about you.
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  SPEAKER_02: The more data a company has, the more personalized the ad can be.
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  SPEAKER_02: And while DraftKings is using AI to supercharge the harmful effects
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  SPEAKER_02: of online behavioral advertising,
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  SPEAKER_02: EFF has long argued that all behavioral advertising should be banned.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's too much.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like spyware.
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  SPEAKER_02: According to the New York Times,
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  SPEAKER_02: which participated in an investigation,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's not the one I'm going to bring,
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  SPEAKER_02: DraftKings is using its customers' betting records to train a machine learning model
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  SPEAKER_02: to find its losing gamblers.
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  SPEAKER_02: Once found,
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  SPEAKER_02: DraftKings sends these customers targeted advertising designed to lure them back to
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  SPEAKER_02: the site to place more bets, bets that DraftKings thinks will be losing once.
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  SPEAKER_02: DraftKings has a business incentive to keep losing gamblers coming back
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  SPEAKER_02: to their site because these are the users that are actually making DraftKings money.
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  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately,
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  SPEAKER_02: those considered problem gamblers,
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  SPEAKER_02: people who repeatedly gamble despite harm to themselves,
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  SPEAKER_02: their finances,
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  SPEAKER_02: and their relationships,
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  SPEAKER_02: are also highly likely to be targeted by this model, by design.
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  SPEAKER_02: By re-engaging those individuals through targeted promotions aimed at keeping them
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  SPEAKER_02: on the platform,
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  SPEAKER_02: DraftKings is capitalizing on their vulnerability for profit instead
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  SPEAKER_02: of mitigating their risk.
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  SPEAKER_02: Predatory online behavioral advertising isn't new,
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  SPEAKER_02: but companies' use of AI to process data
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  SPEAKER_02: and further target customers has magnified its harms.
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  SPEAKER_02: Online political advertising incentivizes the collection of vast quantities of data
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  SPEAKER_02: to power ad tech.
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  SPEAKER_02: Holy shit, if that isn't the understatement of the year.
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  SPEAKER_02: Adding AI into the mix means that even more data is collected to train and refine models.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because AI, of course, operates as a black box.
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  SPEAKER_02: The humans building the models can rarely predict which data points are
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  SPEAKER_02: the most useful to the AI,
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  SPEAKER_02: driving them to continuously collect more data and breach our privacy
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  SPEAKER_02: that much more.
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  SPEAKER_02: AI, by the way,
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  SPEAKER_02: also allows companies to process enormous data sets much faster and as
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  SPEAKER_02: a result supercharges the harms of online behavioral advertising.
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  SPEAKER_02: Targeted.
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  SPEAKER_02: A direct consequence of online behavioral advertising is that it provides the data
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  SPEAKER_02: that the surveillance industry needs to run, not just DraftKings.
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  SPEAKER_02: Data collected for targeted placement of ads is being sold to insurance companies,
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  SPEAKER_02: banks,
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  SPEAKER_02: and state and federal government law enforcement agencies, such as Border Patrol.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's one of the commercial databases they purchase.
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  SPEAKER_02: ICE is also taking interest in the data fueling ad tech.
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  SPEAKER_02: Earlier this year,
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  SPEAKER_02: they purchased a request for information seeking info to better understand how
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  SPEAKER_02: the industry's commercial big data
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  SPEAKER_02: and ad tech providers can directly support investigations activities,
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  SPEAKER_02: aka help them deport more people faster.
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  SPEAKER_02: DraftKings seems to be using solely first-party data to target their ads.
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  SPEAKER_02: Meaning that they're using only the data that they collect directly from their users
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  SPEAKER_02: and are not buying any additional data from third parties
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  SPEAKER_02: to fuel their machine learning model.
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  SPEAKER_02: They don't need it.
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  SPEAKER_02: This highlights how policy solutions that only limit third-party data sharing
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  SPEAKER_02: and selling would not be enough to prevent these predatory advertisements.
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  SPEAKER_02: Rather, policymakers must ban online behavioral ads.
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  SPEAKER_02: I never asked for legislation or regulation like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I never think that legislation is the answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are regulatory bodies
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  SPEAKER_02: that could ban this.
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  SPEAKER_02: The FTC could ban it.
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  SPEAKER_02: What DraftKings is doing with their targeted promotions is just one example
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  SPEAKER_02: of how online behavioral advertising causes real harm to real people,
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  SPEAKER_02: but there are ways to take back control over your own data.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: EFF offers resources such as our surveillance self-defense project,
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  SPEAKER_02: along with other tips for how you can protect yourself on mobile apps and
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  SPEAKER_02: on websites.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again,
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  SPEAKER_02: DraftKings' use of AI to target losing gamblers illustrates how ad tech evolves
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  SPEAKER_02: and how companies find new ways to use our data against us.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is why EFF believes that all behavioral advertising should be banned.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's strong.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's fair.
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  SPEAKER_02: If companies can't send personalized ads,
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  SPEAKER_02: they'll have less incentive to collect the behavioral data powering them.
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess, yes, you don't necessarily have to target behavior, though.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can also target zip codes.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of other ways to target advertise that are dangerous.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yes, Neybones, fuck DraftKings.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, it's all gambling.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's a lead-in to DraftKings Casino, which is what this...
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  SPEAKER_02: ProPublica article from Pulitzer Prize outlet ProPublica published,
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  SPEAKER_02: I deliberately bet like a problem gambler.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kraft Kings made me a VIP.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this was a good one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here are a couple of highlights.
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  SPEAKER_02: And again, this is not written by AI.
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  SPEAKER_02: They wrote out these highlights.
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  SPEAKER_02: Number one, recklessness was rewarded.
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  SPEAKER_02: He blew $1,800 in one night by chasing losses with bigger bets,
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  SPEAKER_02: a classic sign of problem gambling.
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  SPEAKER_02: The next day, he was invited to audition for its VIP program.
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  SPEAKER_02: Audition!
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  SPEAKER_02: The casino craze.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sportsbooks want to expand into online casinos where you can lose a lot fast.
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  SPEAKER_02: I played 500 rounds of blackjack in a weekend, about half my total bets over 10 weeks.
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  SPEAKER_02: In one weekend...
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  SPEAKER_02: Profit over protection.
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  SPEAKER_02: The responsible gaming prompts telling me to pump the brakes were no match for
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  SPEAKER_02: the product design and promotions pushing me to do more gambling.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he charts you literally through his gambling and through his betting
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  SPEAKER_02: and takes you through charts at times.
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  SPEAKER_02: And let me scroll down and he'll show you, okay, here's where I started.
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  SPEAKER_02: After 11 bets, I was $10 down.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I had $279 on the Knicks.
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  SPEAKER_02: Heading into the second half,
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  SPEAKER_02: my account was empty,
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  SPEAKER_02: so I deposited $250 and bet that Jalen Brunson would score 30 points,
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  SPEAKER_02: which he didn't, so they lost.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, he didn't.
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  SPEAKER_02: Knicks lost by one.
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  SPEAKER_02: I immediately deposited $750 more and put it on the Cavs to beat Toronto.
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  SPEAKER_02: Remember, the Cavs lost a series.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I deposited another $500, put it all on Denver, who also lost.
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  SPEAKER_02: By the end of the night, I'd blown all my prior profits and was $1,700 plus in the red.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Read the rest of this article, yet it is long but fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really interesting stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Great investigative journalism to uncover just how predatory these companies are.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's a surprise to anyone, but,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: there are supposed to be guardrails that are put in place to stop people
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  SPEAKER_02: from betting their entire house and life savings.
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  SPEAKER_02: These guys just don't give a shit.
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  SPEAKER_02: They want it all.
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  SPEAKER_02: And finally,
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  SPEAKER_02: I've got one more story for our lightning round before we get to
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  SPEAKER_02: the mutual aid section.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, The satellite company, backed by a J.D.
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  SPEAKER_02: Vance fund, go figure, wins a Pentagon award.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is from my friends over at Sludge.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, I'm a paid subscriber and supporter of Sludge Monthly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Five bucks a month.
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  SPEAKER_02: Two guys, Donald Shaw and David Moore, P-Politics, and I think it's Donald Shaw.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is, again,
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  SPEAKER_02: Naria Capital is the company that Vance owns,
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  SPEAKER_02: which has a stake of up to $1 million worth in the fund
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  SPEAKER_02: and could collect millions more if its investments pay off.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he certainly would have inside knowledge of them getting contracts,
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  SPEAKER_02: inside influence in helping them obtain such contracts.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is clear conflict of interest that, by the way, was not disclosed.
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  SPEAKER_02: So again,
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  SPEAKER_02: the Pentagon awarded a satellite surveillance contract last week to
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  SPEAKER_02: a defense startup backed by a VC fund in which Vice President J.D.
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  SPEAKER_02: Vance holds a stake worth of up to a million dollars and a right to more than half
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  SPEAKER_02: of the investment profits paid to the fund's managers.
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  SPEAKER_02: True Anomaly is the name of the company.
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  SPEAKER_02: One of the two companies selected to build the prototype satellites for Ghost R,
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  SPEAKER_02: a Space Force effort to observe and track other spacecraft in geosynchronous orbit.
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  SPEAKER_02: Northrop Grumman got the other award.
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  SPEAKER_02: The value of the contracts has not been disclosed.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if True Anomaly's prototype succeeds, the company could receive more work.
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  SPEAKER_02: Space Systems Command says successful prototypes have a path
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  SPEAKER_02: into its RG surveillance satellite system,
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  SPEAKER_02: and both companies must submit plans for scaling their spacecraft into
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  SPEAKER_02: a full constellation.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'll drop that link again in the Substack after the show.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you can go read this over at sludge.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fan of that outlet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Good stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we're through all the stories.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_02: Appreciate you indulging me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, we just have to get to the mutual aids and then we can get out of here for the night.
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  SPEAKER_02: But before we do so, again,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to,
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: of course,
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: ask you,
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: oh, by the way, Descent had something to say, I'm sure, about what was going on.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just described half the addiction.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: When you lose, it makes you want to win it back, especially if you're already winning.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's how the spiral begins.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, for sure.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't understand how people get addicted to gambling.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: I lose 50 bucks at a casino and I'm mad as hell.
• 19:12
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• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the whole gambling websites have gotten out of control.
• 19:18
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• 19:19
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• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what she said.
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• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: No!
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: We just fucking lost the stream!
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: I guess this isn't such an awful place.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: Is that what you want me to say?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: You prove it's possible to sleep for days.
• 21:02
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• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: The cost of living isn't much to make.
• 21:10
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• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: You say.