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EL TREN DE LA VIDA 11-04-24 · EL TREN DE LA VIDA

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  Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
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  train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
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  want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
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  a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
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  and freedom. The train of life is a magaxin of good news and hope.
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  This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
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  many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us authentic free come
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  I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all, which
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  will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life.
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  Or very good morning, Spain, good day, friends and friends, tireless
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  travelers of this three, of this epic train, the train of life,
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  a living parable, like life itself for thirty- two years, already traveling
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  through the children of the human soul and the most loving routes of the heart.
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  Today we have very good friends among us. Don' t miss it,
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  let' s go with me, let' s go there or d
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  o o. Ladies and gentlemen, yes, here we are. Wow.
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  This is an exciting, fast- paced train. Life is like that,
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  well, sometimes life has so many requieves. Look at this is a parable
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  of life, because a train trip suggests many things, external landscapes. While
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  we are sitting comfortably on the train, especially on the bird today, not
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  being told to the Minister of Turn, who is arguing the issue with competitors,
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  but the thing is that it goes very well, very comfortably. Different
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  trains, the albian bird, the bad euromet, so many good trains and
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  we go traveling and we go looking at the outside, the landscapes, a
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  lot, a lot of field through and many times populations and many curiosities that
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  one is meditating on himself with his things and the trajines, the mental rus
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  rum, but others good, at a given time, we have a newspaper,
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  a period of paper. I read digital newspapers every day from four to
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  five digital newspapers, but sometimes I like to have when I travel by train,
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  buy one or two paper newspapers and read the newspapers and read a book.
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  I read my Bible that I carry it too and prefer to read it
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  on paper as I have it here too that I have this volume Faximil,
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  which is the new two thousand twenty of the biblical partner. This is a
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  jewel, uh, and there is already a little touch- up in this
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  new edition, nothing that is orthographical, but bad, almost unrecognizable, but
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  that, as we are so purist, I say because I am part of
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  the board of biblical society and always look carefully at everything, because it is
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  there reading my Bible and enjoying it. I recommend to you about that,
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  the two thousand and twenty, which is masterful, among others, for us,
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  our Bible at the head. So what happens, because you' re
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  reading, you also have your iPad or your tablet, of course or your
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  laptop. A lot of people go to work, obviously have built- in
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  Internet or the WiFi from the train, that the Trein also has wi figense,
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  we have everything on the trip and then a coffee or you bring it
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  already I take a drop of water, but I like to go to the
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  wagon, to the bar and have a coffee on the train, a coffee
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  there and then, well, sometimes I travel in a single person seat,
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  because it does not give for itself so much. But if there' s
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  someone next door, maybe people don' t want to talk. Usually,
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  not this one you' re going to want, but I do try to
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  engage in a minimal conversation. Some people go more and sometimes find you people
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  who tell you about life and you tell them your stuff too and that'
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  s life. That' s life. So you don' t go and
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  come, you carry your luggage according to where you go or for how long
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  you go. So, that' s the way it goes. So,
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  this is the train of life. It' s a living parable, for
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  today we' ll be here with very good friends. Who will be with
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  us. Look, we' ve got José Valladolid. He is the president
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  of the Challenge Challenge association. In many of the local centers of return is
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  called Challenge to hope. Challenge is a well- known organization. I know
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  from hearsay and have ever seen Don Raimundo, who was the founder, an
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  Insignian man who is alive is still many years old, but he has a
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  lot of very brave energy. Very enterprising and well, I have very good
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  friends who were in challenge and that some of them are part of our network
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  of pastors today, but others who are there at the front, as is
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  the case of José Valladolid, a really close man, will check it out
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  and we want to know a little that good job that challenge is doing.
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  The challenge is an organization that does its work and does not care if their
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  prestige and such have it for what they do, for the fruit that is
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  seen, but they are very good workers in all the headquarters and the truth
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  work at the level of autonomous communities, work internationally in many countries and want
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  to know a little inside who is who. And in Don José Valladolid,
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  a little bit the current President, who many years ago, entered into a
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  challenge and he has assumed the presidency for a few years. And also,
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  because we want to know in depth about their performance, they work on humanitarian
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  projects of all kinds and tell us about them. We want to know why
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  it is an international Spanish organization. Let' s go there and then we
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  ' ll have a guest in the second part as well. Osvaldo Rebolleda ores
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  va Rebra. He is a master of the word, a great teacher Look
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  have his page Osvaldo Rebolleda, want to remember, can access and have an
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  endless list books, but great and the big thing is that they are free.
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  It is pure generosity with subjects of all kinds and it is a man.
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  I met him recently, knew him by hearing from my good friend,
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  Pastor Antonio Ventas there in Orihuela, but I met him personally on my last
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  trip and made such a pleasant impression. He travels today, returns to Argentina,
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  to his hometown, and he travels constantly. He is a lecturer and
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  international and a man to listen to because he has a truly apostolic ministry.
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  Also without boasting anything does it because it goes with him and we will have
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  the taste and we will talk about God' s unlimited resources. I choose
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  the title because I think it suits him this resources. It' s just
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  that God has resources, man. Whether God man or woman. If God
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  does not have unlimited resources, who can have them other than him, not
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  artificial intelligence, not God' s god. He is our God, our
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  good God, and we will be with Don Osvaldo Rebolleta. Don' t
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  miss it and how we don' t have it There has Arroyo that is
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  not easy to our Spanish influencer, Basque pure, Cepa more international, magnificent
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  speaker and he is that Hael, because he preaches in one way to talk
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  of another. It does it' s trappings of this and good and Tiel
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  is a genius and believe me it is Some say sometimes it wears out one
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  of so much to let itself be seen and to talk if there are a
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  few such and they are good speakers, among them they were before Gebel in
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  another in another is a showman, but of the good ones actually look at
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  God through this June I will hear it on a trip that I have to
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  do to Madrid. One of those nights I' m there, I'
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  ll be listening to ante gebl but I like it, I like its creativity,
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  its ingenuity and, besides, the monologues it has are super cool.
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  But back to itier creek, well, we' re gonna have it.
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  Look You know that we have a congress here from 26 to 28 April,
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  here in Reus, in Tarragón, in the area of Catalonia, in the
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  Fira area, which is a gigantic pavilion where the great fairs that fit in
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  more than four thousand people are held. Then we have on top an auditorium
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  with seats also very nice for six hundred and fifty, that there we have
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  the meetings of pastors, that there are already about five hundred elderly pastors,
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  wives, leaders ofprime mainly pastors and pastoral leaders at this congress and you still
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  have time to enter. We' ll have him there and we' ll
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  be there too, but it comes as one to receive, he' ll
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  have a stake in me. You have to have a plenary. There are
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  four days, in fact, two and a half, but one for pastors,
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  where he too will have a participation in a forum and of course not.
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  He comes says I go to receive being there almost all weekend, Sunday.
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  You have to be traveling now, you have to travel to the United
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  States in a commitment you have, but we will have it and we will
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  talk about it with the title that Congress has until he comes, referring to
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  Jesus, I have titled it until Jesus comes? What' s going to
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  happen? Until Jesus comes? Well, that' s what we' re
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  talking about, and we' re also talking about Congress, the importance of
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  who' s going to be there. Mark Brunet, one of the best
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  - known composers in the Christian world. We sang their songs in almost all
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  our churches. Lucas also consley who comes in the group to take your place.
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  Mariano Sene also comes, as well or in a powerful precious word,
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  that of Mariano, the director of the Institute Mission in Montegrande, there in
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  Buenos Aires, and also Benjamin Núñez, a young man who is impressive to
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  hear. The truth is that well, they are three swordsmen of the word
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  plus and tiel Arroyo and we interviewed him. Don' t miss it,
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  because this interview is interesting until Jesus comes with Itira Rroya here on the train
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  of life and I remember again those who arrived good, but July, to
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  inform me of this res of Congress until he comes at the end of April,
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  he is barely fifteen days away, because Mira can enter three double uves.
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  Period, until he comes, period is there you have all the information
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  of a day of all Congress, the Precongress only for pastors and elders and
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  wives, of course, in this case, the day before. But until
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  he comes, that' s where they have all the information. And the
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  last interview is very, very nice, very affectionate for all evangelicals and Protestants
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  in the country. Look you know that we have a Evangelite hospital, from
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  the evangelit Hospital in Barcelona, many years on Cameliez Street, Barrio, very
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  very very Barcelona, a very interesting neighborhood, but well, that place was
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  small enough years ago and thought was given to the construction of a new hospital,
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  what has been called the Now Evangeli Hospital. The new Evangeli Hospital is
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  the Evangelical Hospital Evangelit Hospital in Barcelona, because it was no longer new,
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  it was the project and that is already a reality. I tell you to
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  see, you are going to watch video in the interview, photographs and we
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  are going to talk to your Director General, a very bold woman, who
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  is a squalid king Director General and very bold for the whole process, as
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  she has lived, as she has worked, as tied, with all the
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  human team. There are also doctors, doctors and has a very interesting intermediate
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  function, which is unusual. This hospital is going to have a large hospital
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  and the architectural design of the hospital has attracted the attention of many architects of
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  Barcelona, because it is very avant- garde, it is very original and
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  very beautiful and in tune with the history of the city Condal and think that
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  it is in the twenty- two arroa, in one of the best places.
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  Now he deserved this project, a hospital more than a hundred years old.
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  It was one of the hospitals that, when there was little hospital care,
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  this hospital that then had to name it foreign colonies, help me clearly
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  international, because good Francoism left it banned because it was Protestant, obviously not,
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  but then it restored everything when democracy returned. And here they are now,
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  for you will say so. He' ll tell us a little gualda
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  kings and all that in these four characters that we' re going to have
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  on the train of life and well some curious music that is always seasoned the
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  program and more things don' t miss it. Come on, join me
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  on this traveling train, which is the train of life. Here we go.
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  You can send your message through our Facebook, through our Facebook, entering
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  between its double- point see the train of life, point is the train
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  of life. Point is remember that in this way you collaborate with us.
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  Tell us your impressions, ask us and participate actively. We want to meet
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  you, we want to meet you. Use our website. Three month double
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  point train of life. Together it' s and follow us through Facebook,
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  through Facebook, how good I' ve been to you to get me out
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  of any trouble. How much I deserve to be your friend that instead of
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  giving me a punishment, if you fall you encourage me, how much I
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  want you to appear to those who have been unknown and how you did the
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  pins cover stars count, but it hasn' t convinced me. I love
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  you or, sir, I love you, I love you and I love
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  you, I love you let go of my hand that I just want to
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  go your way. Tara synthifice. I know you now to love and pose
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  and although I have sought the foundation, I have not been able to tell
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  the tale. It' s because I perceive you every day as salty.
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  Tell me if I want you to come back soon. You' re the
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  author of iverso and we' re waiting for you for autograph and the photo
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  I fear, sir I, I love you we create and I need you.
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  I love you, the Spinan sun that I am I want it.
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  I quote you. Lord I will let you have my hand that I will
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  only love you your way meaningfully. I know you by the wings of man
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  heal. The Traffic and Road Safety Act has changed. We changed the rules,
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  because the way we move has also changed. That is why now the
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  deadline to recover the starting balance of points is two years, without committing infringements
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  that involve the loss of points. New times, new rules. Directorate-
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  General for Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spanish. Never leave
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  me alone in the bathtub or places with water. Don' t let Luis
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  emit fingers in a hinchufe. Don' t leave me at the age of
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  an open window. I told her about tissue substances or a thousand roads,
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  and you don' t let me swallow the small pieces of toys. If
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  you neglect your blade, you can be dangerous to your children. Don'
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  t worry, avoid accidents. For what you want most Ministry of Health and
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  consumption a Government of Spain if you want to visit our website wwwwwww. The
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  train of life. The train of life. You two, ladies and gentlemen,
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  for as we announced to you here we are on the train of life.
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  This wagon I have called him the magisterial bum, because it is a
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  place of luxury in the sense that they look when I hear people so diverse
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  and with so many experiences and everything, each one comes from where it comes
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  from, each one is, each one, as you say rat No.
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  And we have here our friend, who is the current president of the Challenge
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  Association in Spain and also challenge is in many countries of the world. He
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  is popularly known as José Valladolid, but is José Manuel. Here we have
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  him and he will tell us all his last name, welcome José Manuel.
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  Thank you very much, thank you very much. Real name and surname,
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  first name and surname José Manuel Monjero, Gómez Monjero, José Manuel Monjero and
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  have Valladolid de Madina in the countryside more completely. That' s why he
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  leaves it. It was the theory of the field and many years ago I
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  was there, I was there in a campaign, passing by measure to the
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  camp Valladolid, when I had just converted to Jesus. I was very young
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  and I was still living Franco eh It' s the last years and it
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  was the year seventy- three. Or something like that and I remember going
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  through the villages doing with the portorado, offering bibles, new wills and a
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  kind of magazine that was Billy Grahal' s Book of Peace with God,
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  which we offered in the form of a magazine. And then, good for
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  the will that the people wanted, and we were also in that town,
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  in teams that we went with Eric Bermejo, Vicente Galán, who are some
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  men of God, some of them already left with the Lord and then one
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  of the anecdotes is that some of us took us the civil guard and took
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  us to the barracks and some left him locked up because we were the Protestants,
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  that we were spreading some revolutionary literature for the regime and it was very
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  curious. Then Don Juan Gilly came and took out my friend Pedro Albala who
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  was locked away for a couple of days. But how curious of that deep
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  Spain. No, yes, yes, nowadays Valladolid has very pretty. Yes,
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  but then there was I want it to be the Assembly of Brothers.
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  It seems to me that it was the only church in Valladolid, because curiously
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  continues my friend Luis Fagardo, yes girda, the Director General of Biblical Society.
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  I remember because my family had a bar. And, well, from
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  when I became a Christian, for I asked, I say, why have
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  I never met a Christian? And it was one day I remembered, I
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  mean, but right next to the bar there was a little window like a
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  window, where there was an open Bible. And well, it was an
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  evangelical church, what happens is that I had never known it was a church,
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  nor did I see the movement of a church people entering, that is,
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  I did not know it. It was when I was Christian, when
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  I was Christian, since I was able to approach and meet and well,
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  in fact, I knew a lot of the people who were there, because
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  they were people, because from there in the neighborhood not what, well it
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  ' s look, what stories and how the years have passed. And well,
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  God' s work in Spain has grown immensely. No yes, it
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  is, it is not comparable, but Valladolid has today very good churches.
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  But today I agree that my good friend is from that very old church,
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  from the Assemblies of Brothers, which was a very powerful missionary movement for Spain
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  in the past. Well, then, as to how you came to know
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  Jesus in what way, what happened in your life. Well, as at
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  that time, in the 1980s it was years when Spain, well, had
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  a very important drug addiction problem. I, well, the truth is,
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  you could pretty much say I had a pretty successful life. I had a
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  very good job. I' m into basketball downstairs and, well, I
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  didn' t have much, I mean, practically no contact with everyone in
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  this world. But for one reason or another, for friendships, for certain
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  issues, I began to relate and well, with which, after three or
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  four years I ended up hooked to heroin. Well, this came to me
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  to have some income in the hospital in very bad condition and already one of
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  the times, well, they told me that I had to find a solution
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  to the problem I had then in Spain. The only thing they could say
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  to me was the work the Patriarch was doing and I challenge, I was
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  there, in Valladolid. And, well, challenge was free the Patriarch,
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  so the decision was easy to make. And, well, then, I
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  went to challenge. And, I don' t know, I don'
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  t know how it happened. Not always that I have to think of that
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  time I see as a grace, as one thing, an extraordinary miracle,
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  because I did not have, I was not looking for God, I had
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  no interest in the things of God. Well, I could just admit that
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  I had a drug problem and that' s what I came here for,
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  but little by little, something was happening in my life and well, in
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  a matter of less than three months, I could say that I was a
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  Christian. I went to my house and already went to my house with a
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  change in my life, with a transformation, having been born again because I
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  was someone else and not because of what I experienced, but because of what
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  they could say to my own family. Not from me, then I saw
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  a reality of what God did in my life. So that was my experience
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  in finding the Lord and also my experience in terms of my entry into challenge,
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  and I had no long- term plans, but also a time when
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  I felt that God wanted to do something in my life, here in the
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  work, in challenge. And since then, here I am and have been
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  since the year eighty- seven I arrived, for it is already how many
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  years, well, look, it is about forty years, the thirty-
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  seven exactly if you have a wife, you have a family, yes,
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  I married here in challenge. I also met my wife here and I have
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  other children. Gee, he hears what, four grandkids, four grandkids,
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  or this steals our hearts. Hey, how important it is when you feel
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  involved. Well, you could have been there, like so many others have
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  done and gone somewhere else to make an ordinary life in everyday life and not
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  so. But how important it is that you understood to be part of the
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  proactive, to recruit yourself into the army of challenge to reach out to others
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  and to continue helping and helping until today and indeed congratulations, because it is
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  to be thanked, because if there were no such people and well, there
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  would not be that vanguard help that there is in the centers as a challenge,
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  for example, you spoke of the Patriarch. I remember in the eighties
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  we and here in Barcelona, when we received the charismatic experience and such we
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  started a new community, that we came from the assemblies of brothers. Also
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  and I remember that the boys were dying in the night so and we broke
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  our heart and several in the street, in the neighborhood of Horta, and
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  well adopt it as my new neighborhood. And the truth is, and we
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  set up a center with a brother who senses us in a house. Then
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  we bought, as we could a piece of land and there we were almost
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  ten years and some of the leaders are still there working and then we transferred
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  it. But really all there was back then was the patriarchs, but the
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  patriarch was a sect. Actually, it was a sectarian group. As for
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  the dynamics that were there, I remember, I can' t tell you,
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  I can' t tell you. All right, so I' ve
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  met a lot of people who' ve been there, had friends and disappeared.
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  Yeah, yeah, she disappeared when Lucin the Mayer gene died. Well,
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  it started to divide a lot. It' s just that there'
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  s a big difference. I don' t mean, I don' t
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  know. No, I never knew Lucin Engel Mayer, I don' t
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  know his vocation his longing. But of course, when such a charismatic figure
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  disappears to the rest of the people, or has a very important vocation,
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  or if not, in the end the questions of money or and from this
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  it disintegrates itself, unlike what happens in a center as a challenge, that
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  there is a Christian implication. There' s an implication as to your dedicated
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  life, and that' s not one person' s, it' s
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  a lot of people. So, that' s why, well, I
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  can be or not be. And a challenge will continue to work, because
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  with the people who are at heart and who have given their lives to Lord
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  Yes, what happens is that I mentioned only this detail, because there were
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  no centers almost then and clearly the people or decanted that and we, when
• 33:36
  we saw what we saw, we said we will do what we can.
• 33:39
  Some also came from the world, from the street, from drugs, and
• 33:43
  I too came from the rabal and problems too and that gave us a vision,
• 33:47
  a little closer, but there was almost nothing. So that' s
• 33:53
  why it' s good that organizations already appear as challenge and good and that
• 34:00
  says, we' ve done the raymundo of an entire character, the well
• 34:02
  - founded character. Yes, he was a missionary in Mexico, he went
• 34:07
  there with his whole family and from there, then also by a personal call.
• 34:16
  They ended up arriving here in Spain. And I think that the year
• 34:22
  eighty- three eighty yes out there and in the year eighty- five is
• 34:27
  when they get a little bit, let' s say the stones, the
• 34:34
  foundations, a little bit of the work in the association. They first start
• 34:37
  catching people in their house and then they rent a house and in Santander,
• 34:44
  and there they start catching people, with the idea of that, of not
• 34:51
  going further, of being able to have that house and where to catch people.
• 34:55
  Which happens to be clear right away. It became small and there was
• 35:00
  the need to go to other places until what is now challenging, not that,
• 35:07
  because it is in many of the regions of Spain and in thirty countries
• 35:13
  abroad. Not good, well with an important presence in some of the countries,
• 35:21
  very important, very solid. Come on, yeah, well, then
• 35:25
  they were, obviously, in those years and centers like Remar, like Bettel
• 35:31
  or Cerma and so on, were appearing. But challenge, what I have
• 35:35
  observed is a sustainable trajectory and it goes on, no and then that'
• 35:40
  s interesting and until today and that' s still going on. And well,
• 35:45
  and that speaks now what I do seem to understand and detect that the
• 35:52
  needs of young people who have addictions among themselves to drugs, sex, other
• 35:57
  issues and networks and who are sick, have varied a little bit truth,
• 36:02
  yes, yes, obviously, the design drugs that are now affecting very differently.
• 36:15
  There are other kinds of additions, as you well said, there are
• 36:21
  also people who are simply people in need, battered women, women with problems.
• 36:29
  Then it' s about being able to offer an opportunity, a way
• 36:36
  out to anyone who needs it. What is true is that it' s
• 36:39
  like the issue of drugs, heroin and all this always comes back, always
• 36:45
  comes back. It seemed like that was a subject that was getting a little
• 36:51
  bit parked, but now, since in the United States there is a problem
• 36:58
  with hospital drugs, the frantanillo and other types of drugs that are gradually spreading
• 37:07
  and already in Spain you find people with this type of methadone die in their
• 37:12
  time, something good, but yes, but this is much more powerful.
• 37:17
  Also, with a very fast progression, in very few days you are practically
• 37:25
  hooked and shattered. Geez how many dangers and how many human stories of men,
• 37:32
  women, young and not so young, you see human dramas of real
• 37:38
  good, you live it on the front line, as was your case and
• 37:43
  that of so many others, who better, who better than the one who
• 37:49
  has lived it, but then they pass in front of you in eight hundred
• 37:52
  so many cases. Some pass and disappear and leave, but others remain because
• 37:55
  they have no life expectancy. They' re doomed to die if they don
• 38:04
  ' t take it seriously, at least recovery. When you know Christ.
• 38:07
  This is really a vital ingredient. Not so, without disregarding the work that
• 38:17
  other people do, for example, the work that makes alcoholics, anonymous the
• 38:24
  vision in the end is that you are an alcoholic all your life and you
• 38:30
  have to live as an ex- alcoholic, as someone who has problems and
• 38:37
  who has to be there constantly vigilant to that situation. We, but mainly
• 38:44
  because of what God does in our lives, do not believe in that the
• 38:50
  possibility of a new person, of a new birth, of a person who
• 38:55
  has had a problem and who has had a not- good victory. There
• 39:00
  are things we all need to take care of and we already know the consequences.
• 39:07
  No, but I believe in a new man, a completely renewed person
• 39:13
  in a person who did, who had a problem, but that' s
• 39:20
  already like an old nightmare, not that already happened. And there is a
• 39:28
  victory in Christ, evidently, but there is a victory. This seems very
• 39:35
  interesting to me that you think about this myself that sometimes groups of alcoholics come
• 39:40
  here. Right now, your work is very much appreciated. Yes, that
• 39:43
  was founded by a gospel Christian who had the problem of addiction to alcoholism than
• 39:49
  alcoholism. I realized when we had the center at that time. The problem
• 39:54
  we had the most serious to detoxify people was with alcohol. Alcoholism was more
• 40:00
  serious than heroin addiction in many cases. Okay, then. In any case,
• 40:07
  what they declare, I want to understand what they mean not I am
• 40:12
  an alcoholic all my life. Of course you seem to believe your self-
• 40:15
  stigma. No, I mean, it' s true that I have to
• 40:20
  be on guard all my life when I' ve been a gambling addict or
• 40:24
  whatever, obviously, but in Christ I' m a new creature and I
• 40:31
  can' t go saying I have a new identity and it' s a
• 40:36
  clear fact that you' re tired of developing. You can say that every
• 40:37
  time. I am a miserable sinner who I want to tell myself so that
• 40:43
  I am not not a repentant sinner, I am a redeemed sinner and I
• 40:50
  do not trust myself in my old nature, but I do trust in the
• 40:52
  new identity that God has given me in Christ. Sure, that' s
• 40:57
  the right idea. Those things, I mean, honestly, we' ve
• 41:01
  never been tempted again with drugs. I know that my nature, because it
• 41:09
  has dangers and has things and I have to take care, like any man,
• 41:15
  of many things, but specifically of those. Those. Not really.
• 41:20
  I don' t know it' s, as it seems, a dream
• 41:24
  and, above all, when you talk to someone, when you tell them
• 41:30
  that you, because they always ask you in the third person. Listen to
• 41:31
  those guys you have there and I say well, those guys. I was
• 41:35
  one of those kids and then people say it can' t be. I
• 41:39
  mean yes, yes, could it be? Yeah, maybe? Maybe?
• 41:43
  It might be good, and there are so many cases in the life challenge.
• 41:46
  I' m good. I see and admire those changes very much.
• 41:52
  I was I grew up in the raval of Barcelona and I was born.
• 41:53
  My brother was a dealer of camels or you were a proxinita look at the
• 42:00
  environment I lived in. I was not addicted to heroin, but I was
• 42:02
  a smoker of joints of those who had the cane that was to kill you
• 42:08
  at that time, so that I gave you a heart attack and alcoholism,
• 42:14
  a 13- year- old boy, fourteen fifteen until the eighteen that I
• 42:17
  met Jesus. And the truth is that I can say as You, Jesus
• 42:23
  changed my life substantially. It is true that there is a whole process,
• 42:28
  that there are struggles, that there are moments of crisis of transitions, but
• 42:35
  it was a real change and that I love. It' s not a
• 42:37
  real change. God' s power changes life. When You make a determined
• 42:42
  surrender to Christ and submit yourself to His project, it is not accurate.
• 42:46
  The other day I had to go to the hospital for one thing they had
• 42:52
  to look at me and I was wondering you baby, I say not since
• 42:59
  the year eighty- five. It' s no good anymore, and you
• 43:00
  smoke. I say not since the year eighty- five. He doesn'
• 43:06
  t take drugs or something. I say no since the year eighty- five.
• 43:08
  Was the man already saying what happened in the year eighty- five?
• 43:13
  I said I met Cristóbal and that or year eighty- seven forgiveness, I
• 43:19
  said I knew Christ and no longer had interest in any of these things.
• 43:22
  The man was a little amazed to say the year why he spent the year
• 43:27
  eighty- seven? Yes, yes, yes, yes, I wanted to
• 43:30
  know what things are not, but that there are other cases that cost them
• 43:35
  more and quiet and also there the Lord helps you, no, no,
• 43:38
  all the cases are the same, already, but that is true. God
• 43:42
  ' s transformational power is so great for a life. And here we are,
• 43:47
  here we are, we are after thanks to God, for the pure
• 43:52
  grace of God, the grace of God. Hey And then the challenge is
• 43:55
  in several cities and in several autonomous communities of Spain. Yes, well,
• 44:02
  look to see less Castilla la Mancha, that there is no center in Castilla
• 44:07
  la Mancha and Navarra either. But in the rest of the autonomous communities we
• 44:16
  are in all, in some places with more presence, in others with less.
• 44:21
  But, yes, yes, and well, as I said before,
• 44:27
  we started in Santander, that is, it started in Santander and from there,
• 44:30
  it started to open in other places, in Alicante, in Huelva.
• 44:34
  Here in Barcelona And then, already, that' s when I started taking
• 44:40
  the step abroad Mexico. There was a special bond because raimundo, as it
• 44:49
  had been there, Russia, Russia, John had called to go there and
• 44:59
  today in Rus O, be it good, there is a very strong,
• 45:04
  very powerful implementation of the challenge. In fact, we were given a kind
• 45:10
  of diploma from that of the entire Russian Federation as the association with the greatest
• 45:20
  implantation or with the best work that was being done in the Russian Federation.
• 45:25
  I mean, there are countries that are working very well in others a little
• 45:31
  less, but nice. Listen to Don Raymundo you call him good you want
• 45:39
  him by my friend Juan, who is a pastor and come back today Juan
• 45:45
  return by axis José Valladolid, because here from Juan Cruz, who will surely
• 45:51
  be listening to you now the boss called him the river of the Chief and
• 45:55
  all the llais love Sainte you call him yes, yes, what man?
• 45:58
  Really, I' ve heard it two or three times directly now, recently,
• 46:02
  that he paid you a little tribute a little while ago. And what
• 46:07
  a man that these men, who are impellers, are admirable, are men,
• 46:13
  but who have dared to do what no one or anyone else does not
• 46:17
  do easily. That' s right, that' s right, thank God.
• 46:22
  Yes, there are people who good, who listen to God' s
• 46:28
  voice and pull forward without looking at the complications, the family things. Well,
• 46:36
  thank God. Now what we would like you to explain José Manuel,
• 46:44
  is what are the activities he develops in the different places? Well, from
• 46:53
  the beginning, or at the beginning, because we had like all the need
• 47:02
  to self- finance ourselves, but on the part of the government or the
• 47:13
  municipalities, because there was no such will, among other things, because I
• 47:17
  think they looked at us and said these are going to last two days.
• 47:21
  And in two days, then, because it was not worth investing anything in
• 47:24
  a project like ours. So, well, we saw ourselves in the need
• 47:31
  to self- finance ourselves, to do things to serve as self- financing,
• 47:42
  also to serve as some kind of occupational workshops, so that boys could
• 47:46
  learn trades. And so, look, we have traces of second- hand
• 47:53
  furniture stores that are restored, are also fixed electrical appliances, which we arrange
• 48:00
  and put into operation. Here, in Barcelona, we have a furniture factory,
• 48:12
  a workshop where you work with him, hotel producer. It' s
• 48:19
  restored, too. In other parts of Spain there are car scrappings in three
• 48:24
  sites, Santander, Valladolid and Asturias. There' s these scrappings. We
• 48:31
  also have here a place where we buy vehicles, restore them, fix them
• 48:38
  and put them on sale. We move. We also have a cattle ranch.
• 48:49
  We also have cows there, in Tarrasa, in a village in vila
• 48:53
  de cabas. Well, we touch different points, among other things, because
• 49:00
  not everyone likes the same things So, then, there are people who now
• 49:07
  come many people also older, and sometimes people who are a little bit of
• 49:10
  this kind of design drugs, because they come a little touched and mentally with
• 49:21
  difficulties. Then there are jobs they can’ t do, but it’
• 49:25
  s just as good to be with the one that the cows carry or the
• 49:31
  ones that care for the chickens or good to tend a garden or things.
• 49:34
  So, they can do it. They are occupational jobs, but they require
• 49:38
  minimal effort. Basically yes, yes, you don' t need to go
• 49:44
  in a truck and make a bigger effort. So well you seek to have
• 49:50
  something that suits each other' s situation and in this way we finance ourselves,
• 49:58
  not good abroad. They pretty much follow the line we have here,
• 50:07
  although sometimes there are a little country- specific or site- specific things,
• 50:12
  which may vary a little bit, but usually we all work the same way.
• 50:16
  So, of course, you work with women who are in single-
• 50:24
  parent neglect, who have families who need help, also in addictions, especially
• 50:30
  there are people who come to the centers, but then in different places you
• 50:36
  have different programs of humanitarian solidarity. There is a diversity of programs also social
• 50:40
  cinema. Yeah, yeah, well, sometimes in Mexico we usually do medical
• 50:49
  campaigns every year. We go to the indigenous area, we gather a group
• 50:57
  of doctors and dentists, as well as people, and we do a program
• 51:02
  of several days meeting a little local needs. We have also done that,
• 51:08
  it was done a few years ago in Ukraine. Well, you try to
• 51:15
  attend a little bit to the needs after the guys who are with us,
• 51:21
  who are in rehab, because many of them also have particular needs, health,
• 51:31
  different things, to have glasses, to be able to fix their teeth
• 51:38
  in a certain way. So you' re tending a little bit according to
• 51:45
  the needs that are being raised and looking for a way also for people who
• 51:52
  want to rehabilitate and redo their lives, because they can do it. Some
• 51:57
  want to continue to maintain a link with us and others, because sometimes maybe
• 52:02
  because of the place where they live or, because of other circumstances you no
• 52:08
  longer know about them. No, but, well, it' s true
• 52:14
  that when we' re talking about drug addiction, there are also people coming
• 52:20
  back, coming back again. But we have also seen in these years people
• 52:23
  that well, they have overcome the problem, they have remade their lives,
• 52:30
  they are with their families and they hear and what you know about them is
• 52:34
  that they are well two hundred. It' s hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.
• 52:37
  I know many who have been in challenge and are fine families lives.
• 52:45
  This is the result of good work. That' s the best paycheck.
• 52:52
  One cannot be received and indeed many of us are so happy. Now,
• 52:58
  by the way, making a parenthesis that you will surely hear this interview said
• 53:04
  at four in the morning. I can' t hear her. Our friend
• 53:07
  Manuel Sáncha, who was a missionary, became through challenge. He was also
• 53:12
  a missionary during a time in Mexico. He lost his arm out there in
• 53:16
  one of his adventures and misfortunes of life. But a seventy- two-
• 53:22
  year- old man has been working every year for a few years, about
• 53:25
  five years. He is devoting every year five months to go all over the
• 53:30
  indigenous mountain range to talk, to bring them scriptures and, therefore, to
• 53:37
  some goods for shopping and such. But what and this spirit acquired in the
• 53:44
  challenge. The one comes from air, he' s made a phenomer.
• 53:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, and how brave he is. Drive well the
• 53:52
  manco of the left arm, Drive with the right hand. He' s
• 53:57
  carrying a loaded mini van to the top. He unwraps the shepherd very well
• 54:01
  and with an energy and with a spirit of the lord and leaves the car
• 54:07
  and I don' t know where. Then they throw themselves in for two
• 54:12
  hours to get to some village. It means that this, this generation,
• 54:16
  has been born in the king, yes, yes, thank God. That
• 54:22
  motivates you a lot from the testimonies of people you know and others who tell
• 54:30
  you. Sometimes the other day we have been talking about some people who also
• 54:35
  told me, two of them who were pastors in churches and others here in
• 54:40
  Spain, others in Slovenia, were telling us about some. That is,
• 54:45
  you say well, yes, I do. The truth is that there is
• 54:51
  one thing that interests me, unless you explain it to us, because I
• 54:55
  believe that the Christian evangelical people has been prescind in caring for the marginalized,
• 55:04
  like few countries in the world, in the world, even in the Christian
• 55:07
  world, Except for this man who made Niki Cruz, the David Wilkerson,
• 55:15
  who made the centers, those who came, even were one of them in
• 55:19
  Spain, in Burgos many years ago. But apart from that, well,
• 55:25
  Christian centers as a challenge and so many others in Spain. This is,
• 55:34
  I think, a precedent, because there are communities like this in some parts
• 55:39
  of the world. But the standard- bearers were you because I had not
• 55:45
  informed myself, there was practically nothing, or almost nothing. No. No.
• 55:50
  The truth is that, because there too you see a little the grace
• 55:55
  of God people who at first acted as founders or is true. What it
• 56:06
  says is that I' ve traveled a lot and you don' t go
• 56:12
  to many countries where there are no such answers. I remember a while ago
• 56:16
  that I was called by the consul of the United States here, from Barcelona,
• 56:22
  and that I wanted to come visit, but I don' t explain
• 56:27
  myself or what. Well, there they showed up with the official cars and
• 56:31
  I came to clean everything up so they' ll get a good picture.
• 56:37
  And she was just saying no. Really, it doesn' t make me.
• 56:43
  If you want, I look at it, but it' s not
• 56:45
  like I don' t want to see anything. I want to talk.
• 56:46
  I want to ask you why they were seeing that, there, in the
• 56:54
  United States, the money they invested in Christian works as having a much greater
• 57:01
  profitability than in the rest of the programs, and then I wanted to know
• 57:07
  our experience, because, well, they saw that Spain had been, for
• 57:12
  example, in the drug issue, an exceptional case in the world. They
• 57:17
  have embassies and they had as some kind of government mandate to investigate and they
• 57:24
  say we don' t see that here you are, there are other centers.
• 57:30
  They also spoke to the army of salvation which, for some reason,
• 57:37
  they referred to us and that was what they wanted to know. Why don
• 57:42
  ' t I just say I can' t say very well. I know
• 57:45
  what happened and I know it was probably also a let' s call it,
• 57:53
  a little revival that there were people converted in those years because of all
• 58:00
  these situations. But yes, it' s true. Yes, it is
• 58:02
  true that what happened in Spain we did not find anywhere, that is,
• 58:07
  in Europe. There wasn' t a country I had. Sometimes it was,
• 58:13
  for example, you found yourself in England that Bethel, which has also
• 58:17
  happened here in Spain. They had a very powerful program there, or you
• 58:22
  found that Remar had a program, but it was the Spanish centers, especially
• 58:28
  Remar, Bethel and Challenge, that were working in the countries with a pretty
• 58:35
  good implantation amazing And well, I don' t know how to tell you
• 58:43
  the reason. I think God was involved in that. Well, I'
• 58:47
  ve watched the time and I' ve been following you all and giving it
• 58:52
  to you. Thank God, thank God so much for your work. Really
• 58:58
  once and many times. And yes, but it is something to notice that
• 59:05
  we evangelicals have had that of not putting in value ours. We have done
• 59:09
  what we had to do and because it makes us of the heart, of
• 59:15
  a redeemed heart. But I realized as a communicator, even with the ten
• 59:19
  of life, we must raise to the status of important what we do so
• 59:22
  that the world knows what is happening with the evangelicals. They are not a
• 59:27
  religious cuultic minority of fanatics who are locked in their places, but there is
• 59:32
  something else, there is something deeper. And in recent years, yes,
• 59:37
  the public authorities are man. We subtract a lot of work and a lot
• 59:44
  of money from them that they don' t have to invest in this case.
• 59:46
  But then, in Spain, I remember working in Ondacero for a few
• 59:51
  years and I remember good already before it was born driven by the journalist so
• 59:58
  famous Luis del Olmo, The project man go that the Catholic Church also the
• 1:00:01
  godfather or not and such and I think it is the only project better known.
• 1:00:05
  Maybe there' s time. There are hypocrat centers, which are payment
• 1:00:07
  centers and a lot of money. Not if you want to go and treat
• 1:00:13
  yourself an addiction, but and good and do a good job, but you
• 1:00:17
  have to pay, you have to pay and I mean enough then. But
• 1:00:23
  the man project is another one that was born and so was born, but
• 1:00:28
  that there was nothing and continues to see outside the evangelical networks. There'
• 1:00:34
  s not much, either. No. The other thing I have to say
• 1:00:37
  is it' s still like this. Keep it up, if you do
• 1:00:40
  or something like that when we go around, it' s not like you
• 1:00:45
  ' ve started seeing no, there hasn' t been any conato sometimes wanting
• 1:00:52
  to do something and so on and it' s gone down not for anything.
• 1:00:54
  I mean, this doesn' t mean we have a secret. I
• 1:01:00
  attribute it to the grace of God, no doubt, but it is the
• 1:01:04
  reality. That' s right. I watch it, I watch it,
• 1:01:07
  I say it as an observer. I' m a journalist too and I
• 1:01:09
  look at all the data here gives for good or even for bad, to
• 1:01:15
  know what goes on. I would be very interested if our listeners Joseph could
• 1:01:22
  hear two things. One how can people who have various family problems who are
• 1:01:29
  listening to us how they can come into contact with challenge. And the second
• 1:01:34
  thing is how we can collaborate with the challenge of more of the centers that
• 1:01:39
  you have of places, that you sell furniture and all that kind of traces,
• 1:01:45
  and all that good, but everything is little, because it takes a
• 1:01:50
  lot of money for the maintenance of everything that you carry in dance. And
• 1:01:52
  what better than being able to make generous donations to centers as a challenge from
• 1:01:58
  many who say listen I want to do it regularly, or I want to
• 1:02:02
  do it sporadically or spontaneously, or I want to leave part of my heritage
• 1:02:08
  legacy for a credibility trajectory organization as a challenge. The first thing how people
• 1:02:13
  can say I want to need help, parents, friends, brothers, well,
• 1:02:19
  I can provide a phone. Yeah, that' s the main route.
• 1:02:25
  We try, as far as possible, to have a personal interview by
• 1:02:31
  explaining a little how we work. But on a general level, that is,
• 1:02:37
  if you need help, the income is immediate, the income is free
• 1:02:45
  and during your stay here you do not have to pay absolutely nothing, and
• 1:02:51
  you can always see we advise that this problem is something that sometimes it is
• 1:02:57
  not a matter of two days, that by hands a year or year,
• 1:03:01
  and something would be convenient. There are people who don' t, but
• 1:03:06
  well, there' s no problem. And well, if I may and
• 1:03:10
  of course not, I' m going to provide a phone and it would
• 1:03:17
  be interesting, we' re talking to José Manuel, the National President of
• 1:03:22
  Challenge in Spain. And then, well, look at what more interesting personal
• 1:03:28
  and also collective testimony of the organization is here in Barcelona the person responsible for
• 1:03:35
  the admissions is called Marcos and the phone number is six, seven, seven,
• 1:03:40
  one, nine, two, seven, five two? I repeat,
• 1:03:47
  Mark' s name is responsible and the phone is six, seven, seven,
• 1:03:53
  one, nine, two, seven, five two. You' ll
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  be, then we' ll put it on top of the story we'
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  ll publish so people can have it. President, and there is also a
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  page that you have yes, yes on the Internet, in the rest of
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  the challenge association and here come the phones and some information about who we are
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  and what we do. And the second issue is a complicated one. Yes,
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  but the issue of donating and giving donations is, on the one hand,
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  the truth is that the purpose is for them to know us. The
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  main wish is that people could know us, that there might be the work
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  you do in general, which you develop all these kinds of donations from people.
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  When you remove a piece of furniture or whatever is more or less in
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  good condition, they don' t ask for it again, but good that
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  you don' t have to go to the landfill to throw it away,
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  because that really helps us a lot. There are also companies that make donations.
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  Well you could name here several large supermarkets that collaborate with food others with
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  materials and with things that sometimes for them is a problem or have a surplus
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  or have an out of stock some things and call us and hear us all
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  that. The issue of money, of course, so people can, but
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  I really would prefer that they do it after they meet us. If they
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  wanted to do something, to come, to see, to see the project,
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  to see what we do on the phones, which they have on the
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  website. Well, if anyone has any, I don' t know any
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  interest in that, because we can gladly explain to him, teach him to
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  see it with his eyes and then decide whether he wants to do something or
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  not, because if he doesn' t, it seems a little cold to
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  me. I just don' t know. I don' t think it
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  ' s ours. He seems very honest. It' s that attitude that
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  the other one is, too. No, no, yes, but I
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  find it extraordinarily honest for it to give transparency, for people to see and
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  see what is ben and b not. That seems to me to be the
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  point. He does not hear, for he does have the page of challenge,
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  association in challenge. I don' t know. This is pointr.
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  I don' t remember point com good gets into it will easily drift them
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  and there are all the sections. They see all kinds of things, jobs
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  that we make come to meet you and where this is so good. And
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  but there are people who are also debating where I' m going to leave
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  my estate or not. You don' t have anyone or you don'
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  t trust each other. The truth is that that' s one hasn'
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  t happened to us many times. A woman called me a long time ago
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  and told me that of course she saw that, for example, Caritas and
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  all the program that the Catholic Church has takes almost ninety- one percent of
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  all that heritage. Moreover, we knew him because there was a law firm
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  that collected those donations to put them in the name of the Catholic Church Association.
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  Then they went from the things inside, took away the value and already
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  what was left they called us. It was funny, but good. That
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  ' s where we saw it, because they had a movement of things.
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  Okay. That' s happened to us in our history twice, yes,
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  notice, twice, well, but it' s also true that, like
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  us, we haven' t had, not for nothing, but a kind
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  of willingness to sell ourselves, to have a lot of marketing, a lot
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  of stuff. We haven' t had it. Erupted, I' ve
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  noticed, done, well, but look. There' s what they call
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  solidary testing. Now for people you want to do. And so, if
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  someone wants to do something like this, and not necessarily people and but individuals
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  who in life want to do, what better cause than this, that helps
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  restore the lives of so many lives people, men, women, young people
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  and people of all kinds, also contributing to such solidarity action, as much
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  to the tourist and as Christian as it is to help the one who is
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  in this situation. Another point is that with this one we are already concluding.
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  José Manuel you are a pastor at the same time of the center,
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  which is a Christian community. Challenge to hope, not to see we have,
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  well, we started backwards. The churches usually start a social activity.
• 1:09:43
  Yes, we were a social activity that we set up a church. So,
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  well, we did see, because we, in a way, are
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  a church. We function like a church. Not all the kids who come
• 1:10:00
  in the center belong to the church because they don' t have the will,
• 1:10:05
  because they don' t want their religions. And a lot of people
• 1:10:10
  who aren' t in the center, they do like to come to meetings.
• 1:10:15
  So, well, we understood that at the same time that it works
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  what social work is, because to set up a church with all that means.
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  And then, we started with the name Church to the lighthouse, but
• 1:10:32
  we had a difficulty abroad and also a confusion with the subject of Jehovah’
• 1:10:40
  s Witnesses because of the publication they make. Then, in the end,
• 1:10:46
  we decided to call it the same Biblical Church. I challenge hope. And
• 1:10:51
  here we are in the polygon of the hardware store in Moncada never and well,
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  because we work as a Church, with all its particularities. Of course,
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  you have a life in community, really in addition to a Christian community,
• 1:11:12
  which has a culctic part, but then you function in everyday life,
• 1:11:16
  because like but there are people who have nothing to do with what comes,
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  what comes with communion, what to do with a past of drugs, that
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  comes to the Church. Sure, sure, of course, if I do
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  have acquaintances like that it has also been a pleasure to listen to you,
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  to have you here in this studio José Manuel and the truth that I celebrate
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  a lot of encouragement for everything. And well, here you have this medium,
• 1:11:45
  the train of life waved peace or the pau cataluña at your disposal also
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  with much affection. I really am not only pleased, but I am glad
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  about the work you do, because I value it very much. Many thanks
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  have been very kind and thank you for the opportunity you also give us to
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  make it known that it is one, as I said before, of the
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  important things, that people know who we are and what we do. Nothing
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  else, then, but God bless you, your family, your work,
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  and so on. Thank you very much. Likewise, you so great you
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  travel on the train of life, wow or look at your pure air and
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  baby of your water life belvizo your blood I want you are and gualda of
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  yours or that no one beats any more what winds your blood or I want
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  to be me not soul whining and that no and apart no one full of
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  I think that tur wine I see your look with your inovive pride, lord
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  sagua of I want you saw of my soul. Remembrance of bread from me
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  to me with ra my quieumbre measures, sir vor your water from you I
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  want petuator of my soul durde par sell to with your pranance I want,
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  Lord lake your saguayo for your name I want to know to give me the
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  shore of your saga of manga and to lose your veranda and to drag the
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  one of ponto of love or that you love me and you love me I
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  want favor, wine the homeland with your fragrant man your ero yields, Lord
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  sagua de quiero had nua of knit, you bread your fragrance and I want
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  him gua or please, or you travel in the train of life. M
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  o, ladies and gentlemen, we' re still going. This train is
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  unstoppable in life. It' s unstoppable who stops her to see who'
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  s capable. Only the creator and everything has an expiration date. Hey,
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  don' t think this isn' t gonna be ineternal, too. Ineternal,
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  It will be when we are in God' s Eternal Kingdom that this
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  gives us why to speak on another subject. Well, then, today we
• 1:19:45
  have the taste, as we announced, of having the shepherd with us and
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  he is an international Bible teacher, and not only of the Bible, but
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  of books. He is a very prolific writer, of very good books,
• 1:19:59
  very good morning, what you can find on his own page also Osvaldo Rebolleda
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  com and you will see the books. Besides, it has a peculiarity that
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  is not usual. In addition, they are free, they are good books
• 1:20:16
  with topics of great interest and free. But in addition, he is already
• 1:20:20
  traveling through Spain, through several places and before returning to his place of origin,
• 1:20:26
  to Argentina, which has to return already today, as he has made
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  a little stop here in Barcelona with the pleasure of having him welcome. Osvaldo,
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  well, thank you very much, Julio. It is a pleasure for
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  me to be able to be sharing this moment this beautiful medium as is the
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  radio and this program of such prestige, which has its great trajectory, which
• 1:20:49
  is truly wonderful, so it is an honor for me to be able to
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  be yes. Thanks, man. You see we are always so curious when
• 1:20:58
  we have someone like you sitting here and you, who are very used to
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  going to so many places and so and you already have a trajectory, not
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  only that supports you by your work, by your sowing that you have done,
• 1:21:12
  by your production, your ministerial performance. Osvaldo, who you are,
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  where you come from and where you' re going, tell us a little
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  bit about yourself. Well, I' m Argentine. I am now on
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  a tour that ends just today and I am leaving tonight again back to Argentina.
• 1:21:29
  I came to Spain on March 3. I' m usually seeing twice
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  a year and good and traveling to different places. Now I' m going
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  back to Argentina and about 20 days later I' m going to the United
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  States. A month. I was pastoring in Argentina for, like, twenty
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  years with my wife and then we gave up that hour because of the trips.
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  So, well I trained in Argentina at the Assembly of God of Argentina,
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  the Association Assembly of God, and well I have that trajectory. How
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  they go ge ready first after, like but I have always been an itinerant
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  preacher then, when the process led me to what is teaching, the journeys
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  intensified much more. From the two thousand fourteen fifteen I began to travel abroad
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  continuously every year and well, that made us deliver the work, which well
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  remains under my supervision. But I' ve devoted myself completely to doing that
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  other kind of work. True, if you also have a ministry of pastoral
• 1:22:32
  accompaniment, Catholic ministry in different places, also that require your ministry. Some
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  are from your own direct work, others are associated, but it is an
• 1:22:43
  important job. Also clear well, for me it is the most important work
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  than development, to be able to work with different churches and on a pastoral
• 1:22:54
  level, advising the pastors and helping them in this beautiful task of the pastorate.
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  No and well, there are several churches. In Argentina I have a
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  church there with which I work in Cochea, in Barras del Medio, in
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  Euken, in Sarmiento, in Fernández Soro, in Chile, in Viña del
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  Mar, in the United States, in Los Angeles, in California and here
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  in Spain also with Antonio Venta in Orihuela, a good friend. Yes,
• 1:23:19
  yes, yes, how important pastors that they need to be accompanied and well
• 1:23:27
  accompanied, indeed, of course they do. A lot, a lot,
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  because we assume the Ministry as a job in which people presuppose that we are
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  good at everything as if we had no problems and we have the same problems
• 1:23:42
  as anyone else. We carry forward the situations and circumstances of life plus the
• 1:23:46
  Communion we seek to have with God and the things that afflict us, by
• 1:23:50
  family, by work, by everything, and the Ministry is hard, really
• 1:23:54
  hard. People, maybe from outside, think it' s the preaching we
• 1:23:59
  do at one at a worship meeting, but it doesn' t go through
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  there. The spiritual burden is very difficult to bear and good and if there
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  are many pastors who are suffering this. In fact, a survey was conducted
• 1:24:10
  recently where it was found that 80 percent in Argentina, not 80 percent of
• 1:24:15
  pastors were experiencing health problems. And there' s no point in not serving
• 1:24:23
  God this we can have and most of the problems this has been ulcer,
• 1:24:28
  diabetes, blood pressure, this stress heart condition. Of course everything has linked
• 1:24:36
  to the nerves, the stress of the Ministry, so this good evidence that
• 1:24:41
  it takes a lot of work there and how important it is and if perhaps
• 1:24:47
  there you can help me for our listeners that many, because they are friends,
• 1:24:55
  do not have the confessionality, have no confessionality, but feel close to
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  the Christian faith. Others are from other denominations and others, many are evangelicals,
• 1:25:08
  also in Spain, who are listening to us both members as pastors or
• 1:25:15
  pastors. What an important need. I have always said that, in my
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  opinion, uh, and I have a Ministry similar to yours on the part
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  of not so much of a writer, but the part of support for pastors
• 1:25:30
  and logistics. I have come to discover that shepherds are the most important people
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  on earth. What I' m telling you is very big. Loquent is
• 1:25:41
  the people, because how important it is that pastors do not feel ministerial.
• 1:25:48
  They need support from someone who' s in equals with them. People can
• 1:25:55
  ' t tell a lot of things, some can, but others can'
• 1:26:00
  t, and then they feel like they have a good friend, plus an
• 1:26:04
  advisor, an instructor, a mentor, a coach. Not today I did
• 1:26:10
  what I think coaching was invented by the shepherds without knowing it not really the
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  good shepherds, who are many and shepherds. So what a great need for
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  how to solve the ministerial orphanhood. There are many there is that there is
• 1:26:32
  sincerely yes and well, the development of different institutions or denominations has a job
• 1:26:39
  of administrative follow- up if you want, but in many cases you lack
• 1:26:45
  that, not that bond of paternal that must exist to be administered, because
• 1:26:50
  we need all pastors, we need to be shepherded. We also have to
• 1:26:55
  cope with our family and the intimate help that is needed to cope with the
• 1:27:01
  Ministry. That, when that bond is not close, is not really fulfilled
• 1:27:06
  with the effective with what is needed, because yes, institutional authorities, there
• 1:27:12
  will always be, but I call it sometimes that you suffer from the syndrome
• 1:27:15
  of the older brother truth, that it will help you whenever you have a
• 1:27:19
  need, but that is not the same as the one that may have a
• 1:27:24
  more paternal look about the situation. An aid is intimately interested and good hearted.
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  So that is necessary, and much is needed, and the shepherds in
• 1:27:35
  general are greatly appreciated. Therefore, how important is accompaniment and training, because
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  I know that your Ministry is very formative, you are a person who forms
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  leadership and quality training, which is also very important. There are no pastors
• 1:27:58
  who are also quite lost what they can, what they know or what they
• 1:28:01
  imagine. But they also need advice in what is Bible instruction, in ministerial
• 1:28:09
  formation. Of course I don' t talk about those who can' t
• 1:28:14
  go to the seminars in those places, but who are making themselves on the
• 1:28:16
  go, but who would need someone like yours, to instruct them to teach
• 1:28:21
  them, to accompany them and also to advise them. Until, well,
• 1:28:28
  every pastor is taking more autonomy. That is why I was told by this
• 1:28:34
  slogan that some, when they have heard it from me, have said hey
• 1:28:36
  it is not a bit exaggerated that pastors are the most important people on earth.
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  Having observed more than forty years as a shepherd, I say, I
• 1:28:46
  do not exaggerate, I am also a pastor with an apostolic ministry too,
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  but I say to him but they are really the most important people on earth
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  for many reasons. They are the ones who mediate in many human conflicts,
• 1:29:02
  they are the ones who instruct, they are the ones who teach, they
• 1:29:06
  are the ones who win the sea, they are the ones who are self
• 1:29:10
  - denial, they are the ones who are good. The list is long,
• 1:29:11
  true, clear and apart, we already do a job that has to
• 1:29:15
  do with eternity. Then we become transcient, true, and then work with
• 1:29:18
  the eternal. That is exactly not if it has that transcendence which is everything
• 1:29:24
  else it does not have. And of course, the formation we have is
• 1:29:29
  also fundamental because we all, somehow had our conversion at the time, came
• 1:29:35
  to a certain place and we had a no imprint and suddenly we were formed
• 1:29:43
  with a theological line, with a line. In some cases there are many
• 1:29:46
  factors that good are sent to the Ministry too soon without preparation, but they
• 1:29:55
  may have a call, but suddenly they do not yet have the necessary training
• 1:29:59
  to be able to do so. And others that come from a formation that
• 1:30:02
  may not be the best too and that also happens. That' s why
• 1:30:06
  we have so many divergences within the Church that, well, we shouldn'
• 1:30:12
  t have, but then working together and helping us think and find are correct
• 1:30:17
  guidelines. I think that' s very important. We all need that.
• 1:30:23
  How do you see Osvaldo that you for your books, which are good,
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  can already say it on the page just Osvaldo Rebolera, as there you can
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  find on the page of the pastor himself. I' m here. We
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  have the book page, which is very interesting. You the naked church,
• 1:30:45
  the search for diogenes, the need, the needs of the Kingdom, the
• 1:30:50
  dynamic passive Kingdom rebellion, the titles are very interesting. I have heard some
• 1:30:57
  of your preaching and glimpsed some of them and divine fruits for redemption spiritual resilience.
• 1:31:04
  That word that is so fashionable the great warning, the Kingdom diet the
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  love of many will cool down. I guess since recent times lions at the
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  zoo, times of transition, breaking authorized boundaries, double life relining it How
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  many good books. There are about one hundred and forty on the wow pages.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, to read the titles. She
• 1:31:30
  ' s a lot and besides, writing well, that' s the same
• 1:31:35
  good yes, I don' t see. I consider myself more than anything
• 1:31:39
  a teacher who writes and not a writer, because I understand that for him
• 1:31:45
  who has the gift of writing in his formation, who writes exquisitely, well,
• 1:31:50
  maybe it will not be so many books. There, in Argentina we
• 1:31:57
  have ernesto sabato, the author of the tunnel, he who called the incendiary
• 1:32:03
  because he to his writings, few survived the fire because it was burning.
• 1:32:09
  He said he' s a good writer. I was going to write two
• 1:32:13
  or three books, at most in life that could transcend it. But he
• 1:32:17
  was a writer and wrote literature. It' s not my case. I
• 1:32:21
  ' m a writing teacher. So, for me, books are one more
• 1:32:26
  way to be able to deliver the teachings I have, which many of them
• 1:32:30
  started in the school module. I went to the school of spiritual government in
• 1:32:33
  Argentina a few years ago and I was making modules and giving messages by series,
• 1:32:41
  preaching by series. Then from the series they were from the wealth of
• 1:32:45
  the series came out some books from the modules of the school came out other
• 1:32:49
  books, but for me it is one more way to be able to give
• 1:32:55
  what I have received. By grace and since books have a large part of
• 1:32:58
  biblical backing and verses, and all that good, is what I do,
• 1:33:04
  which I consider to be written teachings and good is not judged by writing itself
• 1:33:13
  or the literary form, but by the content that I intend to be useful
• 1:33:17
  to the Church. But you' re good at writing, you explain,
• 1:33:29
  goods you write well, that is, that the construction of books is very
• 1:33:34
  very understandable and very good for a reader. Well, there are many saved,
• 1:33:41
  by his grace, the measures of the Kingdom. The glory of the
• 1:33:45
  final persecution, which hardly anyone speaks of, the scope of the Angel Covenant
• 1:33:48
  and among us the Church is of the Lord the Tribunal of Christ, the
• 1:33:56
  language of the Kingdom, the spiritual geography, the power of management, the
• 1:34:00
  order according to God. Well, there are so many. There are people
• 1:34:03
  who when you see your page to the page of Osvaldo Rebolera, point with
• 1:34:09
  books, Barra books, there will be that any topic that interests you of
• 1:34:13
  Christian life will find it here. Certainly, Yes, there are many,
• 1:34:17
  many different subjects and all the spiritual discouragement another of the books also, et
• 1:34:24
  cetera, et cetera. How do you see the Church in your travels,
• 1:34:30
  what you see, what you hear, what you perceive so much in Argentina,
• 1:34:34
  our beloved Argentina, and the Church there I have so many pastor friends
• 1:34:41
  who are so entangled. Now we will have Mariano be equal with us to
• 1:34:45
  his father Jorge, it looks the same as it has been and good,
• 1:34:48
  and so many others, John Paul, Hongarray and good already Brother Son and
• 1:34:53
  all we know are many different. When I' m around, I also
• 1:34:59
  like to be with several of them, at least for a little bit more
• 1:35:02
  three weeks or a month and you can' t be with as many as
• 1:35:08
  you want. But Argentina is very much in our heart. But in general
• 1:35:13
  Argentina, Latin America, the United States, I have a feeling that in
• 1:35:17
  the United States the Church is going through a crisis in general strong and much
• 1:35:25
  more since the pandemic here, also for political reasons, has polluted the life
• 1:35:29
  of the Church a lot and in other parts of the world, Africa Oceania,
• 1:35:39
  in the countries also Russia and the countries of the East. What a
• 1:35:43
  perception, what a cacti, how you perceive the Church in general encompassing powers.
• 1:35:50
  Just when you do an apostolic work, it' s like you have
• 1:35:57
  a more global vision. That' s the idea. The pastor has a
• 1:36:00
  local creational vision and apostolic work causes one to put on the spiritual thermometer.
• 1:36:06
  Let' s say it in a more global way. Anyway, always the
• 1:36:10
  panorama one can have is limited within the realms one moves, the things one
• 1:36:13
  knows. But well, the spiritual world is also territorial. There is one
• 1:36:18
  of the books called spiritual geography and that generates that, while in some places
• 1:36:24
  they are going through a good process, on other sides not so much.
• 1:36:28
  No yes, I believe that the Church would have to be one step further
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  in terms of the advancement of society, a relative advance. I am not
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  talking about a cultural change in the world and culture, by the way,
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  it is very strong in darkness, because the capacity of science has grown,
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  but morale has not grown. Morale has grown and then I think it'
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  s something like what you put forward there in the chapter. It is that
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  darkness covered the earth and darkness over the nations, and I believe we are
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  seeing it more than ever. In fact, those of us who are more
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  than fifty years old know that we live as in two different lives. We
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  had a stage of a growth of an absolutely different society culturally, speaking of
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  the one we live in today and we had that transition where there were no
• 1:37:29
  means and technology that exist today. We didn' t have cell phones like
• 1:37:33
  mobile phones, we didn' t have this technology that overcame us. And
• 1:37:35
  we' re talking about a generation. That is, if you go back,
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  it can take thousands of years, almost with the same advance people who
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  were born with vehicles in blood and so died. In the same way,
• 1:37:49
  society hardly changed. We are experiencing an impressive technological leap. Science grew suddenly
• 1:37:57
  and, as it grew suddenly, generated many different things and, unfortunately and
• 1:38:00
  sadly, not knowing how to take on that transition has generated many bad things,
• 1:38:08
  because globalization is not bad in itself, if globalism the globalist agenda,
• 1:38:14
  if you want. But globalization is not bad if you know how to use
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  what I think is that you didn' t know how to use it in
• 1:38:23
  society and that has caused a lot of bad. A cloak of darkness came
• 1:38:26
  upon the world very suddenly and the Church does not end up absorbing that.
• 1:38:30
  When our approach is there, our worship work, our activities and everything we
• 1:38:40
  hardly look at what is happening globally. So if we have a verticalist look
• 1:38:45
  at God in our communion, our life with God and what is the worship
• 1:38:49
  meetings and our life, our life, our problems, our family, our
• 1:38:54
  situations, then we hardly see what is happening on a global level and what
• 1:38:59
  is happening after it is happening in our cities and how we are going to
• 1:39:02
  face things that we must face and how we are penetrating or not the system
• 1:39:06
  in which we live. One of the books is just called and I was
• 1:39:11
  giving it a little while ago the church in the market, because the church
• 1:39:16
  is a design to penetrate the system. The idea of bringing people to the
• 1:39:21
  Church is fine. It is logical that people will come, join in what
• 1:39:26
  it represents or what the life of the body of Christ means. But if
• 1:39:30
  the Church is not able to go out and show herself as she should,
• 1:39:35
  that is where I think we are missing. I think we' re,
• 1:39:41
  in fact, missing the first book, that one that was the last I
• 1:39:44
  ever did. The naked church is an almost provocative title to draw attention to.
• 1:39:49
  I would be unable to pretend such a thing, but I do speak
• 1:39:55
  of the fact that he will come by a glorious church, a Church clothed
• 1:40:00
  with it fine linen, as Maya says, of the spiritual meaning it has.
• 1:40:02
  And I believe that clothing is the one that covers the body and,
• 1:40:05
  according to the garments, it is what people have seen and the Church,
• 1:40:11
  throughout history, has lived different clothes not and I think those clothes have not
• 1:40:16
  shown us very well. The first three centuries of the Church were shown in
• 1:40:23
  quite Jewish clothing because of the influence and what they knew about the old Covenant,
• 1:40:28
  and then came the entire formation of Roman Catholicism. Then, one thousand
• 1:40:33
  two hundred years, the clothes were different and then comes the reform, which
• 1:40:40
  was also fundamental, the great reform. But I believe that the Church is
• 1:40:45
  still in a process of reform. It must continue to reform the word reform
• 1:40:49
  is the word diorsosis in Greek, but it has to do with returning to
• 1:40:54
  the original. That is the reform we need. We don' t need
• 1:41:00
  to reform something to be novel and tell how society faced it. What we
• 1:41:03
  need is to go back to design or digital. No. That is why
• 1:41:09
  I think the Apostolic Ministry is so important in this regard. Today' s
• 1:41:14
  Apostolic Ministry has nothing to do with creating this new foundation. The apostolic and
• 1:41:19
  prophetic foundations have already been established. He' s not going to lay a
• 1:41:23
  foundation for us after more than 2, 000 years on something that' s
• 1:41:26
  already built. What we must do is correctly interpret the foundations that were laid
• 1:41:31
  and suddenly discover that some things have been built that were not at the foundation
• 1:41:35
  of the original plan and suddenly there are things that were not done or stopped
• 1:41:41
  being done and we have to recover them. Then I believe that the Church
• 1:41:45
  would have to go on that path, because returning to the original design,
• 1:41:53
  which Jesus Christ left behind, is what guarantees us that, despite the cultural
• 1:41:56
  changes and the time we live in, the Church can make effective in penetrating
• 1:42:00
  the system, because the design that he left clearly spiritual. So, when
• 1:42:02
  you penetrate society spiritually beyond whatever cultural and natural manifestation it has, we are
• 1:42:09
  going to be effective. But we have to use the design that Christ left
• 1:42:14
  and not the designs that have been taking place through the different stages of the
• 1:42:17
  Church. Historically clear, it is interesting reflection and I agree with you Oswaldo
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  in those reflections twenty- two And what happens is that we also have legions
• 1:42:35
  of people who say clear interesting things and everyone exposes in networks and in so
• 1:42:43
  many platforms Straimings, now everyone can do what self- edit. And it
• 1:42:49
  ' s all right, it' s all right, it' s all
• 1:42:54
  open public participation for everyone. What' s true, we have a collection
• 1:42:58
  of phonies, cheaters, livers, people who, both male and female.
• 1:43:06
  And of course one says Caramba and Jesus warned in the signs of the end
• 1:43:15
  more than seven times about the carefulness with deception that even some deception is so
• 1:43:20
  strong, so sophisticated. The text of Matthew II already strikes me very much
• 1:43:28
  when many say that day, sir, we did this not typically the things
• 1:43:32
  of Pentecostalism. I' m no costal mind. No, no, no,
• 1:43:38
  I didn' t know you guys I don' t know who you
• 1:43:41
  are. It means that, because it is also important to discern the true
• 1:43:48
  from the false, clear truth, good to see. That' s the
• 1:43:51
  right word Julio said, because I think you don' t have to be
• 1:43:57
  afraid of that falsehood there is, because when you' re afraid of something
• 1:44:01
  false, the only thing you generate is a rejection of everything. It'
• 1:44:04
  s not like someone ever gives us a fake fifty euro bill and we don
• 1:44:09
  ' t want to grab any more, because we think everything is fake.
• 1:44:12
  We' re gonna suspect everything. The idea is to pay attention and know
• 1:44:16
  the real one so that when a fake ticket comes, we can detect it.
• 1:44:20
  I mean, a banker isn' t trying to identify everything that'
• 1:44:26
  s false, he knows the real thing. So, when your human touches
• 1:44:28
  a false one, he discovers it and in order to do that, I
• 1:44:31
  think that what we should do, instead of being afraid or rejecting everything,
• 1:44:36
  is to have a deep communion with God, so that our discernment develops more
• 1:44:41
  in this time than ever, so that suddenly we have the openness we should
• 1:44:46
  have, if we should change some things and we have to learn to listen
• 1:44:50
  to each other, because I believe that in the diversity we have there is
• 1:44:56
  also a lot of wealth and be able to identify what it is not to
• 1:44:59
  be able to identify. Then I think it is not so dangerous, because
• 1:45:01
  there were false apostles and false prophets and false teachers and false brothers since the
• 1:45:08
  first century. It is not false everything, but God has never lost or
• 1:45:14
  lose the Church' s government, because it is the head. The Church
• 1:45:16
  will be victorious, as the Lord said, and that is our confidence.
• 1:45:21
  What we should do is to take our care and say I don' t
• 1:45:27
  want to fall into deception. I want to go the right way and the
• 1:45:30
  only way to know that what someone else is saying is truly what God is
• 1:45:34
  proposing. It is the condition of the one who listens, because capacity,
• 1:45:40
  my spiritual communion, my depth with him, will cause my spiritual sensibility to
• 1:45:45
  flourish in an attack way when he hears algae automatically. I will detect what
• 1:45:49
  is and what is not of God and that is what we need ministerially.
• 1:45:54
  People can' t detect that and the media is open. Then people sometimes
• 1:45:59
  get in to listen to what they don' t owe what' s interesting
• 1:46:01
  to them and sometimes they eat badly. Now it is not wise that we
• 1:46:05
  forbid him to listen, because they are just going to do the opposite.
• 1:46:09
  And the idea is to have a people who, if I mature in wisdom,
• 1:46:13
  will know what it is and what it is not. Even if you
• 1:46:15
  listen to the nets indiscriminately, everything that comes to you is not the same.
• 1:46:19
  Then we have to do it in leadership and I think we have to
• 1:46:23
  teach people, that is, when we have a little boy, we have
• 1:46:28
  to have a lot of attention, because he can eat anything he doesn'
• 1:46:31
  t grab a trash and take it to his mouth to eat it, so
• 1:46:34
  we' re looking after it. But when he grows up, you don
• 1:46:38
  ' t have to be watching him anymore. He knows what' s good
• 1:46:39
  to eat and what' s not good, so I think we' ll
• 1:46:42
  have to go. On that side, instead of instilling fear or forbidding building
• 1:46:45
  in such a way that people have the ability to discern between what is and
• 1:46:49
  what is not. It is important to develop criteria in all the discernment of
• 1:46:57
  true and false things, if it is not to create an armism that puts
• 1:47:01
  us there in a Zulo or in a bunker and not. Not that in
• 1:47:06
  fact, I know from experience. I relate to the whole body of Christ
• 1:47:13
  and there are of all species I mean and they are respectable in the vast
• 1:47:20
  majority and with the accents of one and the other. What is there is,
• 1:47:27
  in the midst of all that bare magnum, to discern what can be
• 1:47:30
  harmful to one' s spiritual health. If you believe it as one of
• 1:47:35
  God' s last words so you don' t know what, then it
• 1:47:41
  is important, but yes, maturity also consists in knowing, acquiring the necessary
• 1:47:47
  marudez to know that we have to learn to have autonomy, to be living
• 1:47:54
  there, in locked up somewhere and everything is bad and the world comes upon
• 1:47:57
  us. Yeah, I don' t agree with that, because if you
• 1:48:00
  turn around, you get sick again, we' re clear Well, in
• 1:48:05
  some cases people are encouraged not to look at that, and in the long
• 1:48:10
  run that' s worse, because people, out of their own curiosity,
• 1:48:13
  go and look and just go to the issues that are most controversial. It
• 1:48:16
  seems to me that when we live the pandemic. The pandemic revealed one side,
• 1:48:24
  a lack of the church. I don' t think we should have
• 1:48:30
  ended up the same and continue as if nothing had happened, as was done
• 1:48:31
  in many cases. It doesn' t give me the feeling that it'
• 1:48:34
  s like those people who go down the street and fall and then it'
• 1:48:40
  s just shake a little bit and keep walking like nothing happened, but it
• 1:48:43
  actually happened and the pains come after. No, and I think we should
• 1:48:46
  have a much deeper reading of the pandemic, because there are things we didn
• 1:48:50
  ' t see, because there are things that didn' t know and because
• 1:48:55
  it showed a lot of things that weren' t right. And then I
• 1:48:58
  think that responsibility of leadership, I think leadership because we can say of people,
• 1:49:01
  that people have the ability to destroy it, but leadership has to have
• 1:49:05
  a greater openness and depth. And I mean, we live in difficult times
• 1:49:13
  and that makes us have to be much more engaged in our intimate Communion with
• 1:49:17
  God, our time of quality and not of activity, because sometimes that doesn
• 1:49:21
  ' t happen to us. The Ministry demands a lot of activity and the
• 1:49:26
  same activity we do for God is preventing us from being quality time with God.
• 1:49:30
  So sometimes we are filled with too many activities and the activities that we
• 1:49:39
  have within the Church, which is not that they are wrong, but that
• 1:49:42
  sometimes they blur our focus from the most important thing, which is to be
• 1:49:45
  with him. And we want to be with people, we want to help
• 1:49:48
  people and we are working for God, but we are not spending quality time
• 1:49:53
  with God. Then we can say good. Yeah, I' m on
• 1:49:56
  the Bible every day. I read a little, I' m praying,
• 1:50:00
  but I' m talking about something else. I' m talking about something
• 1:50:03
  deeper, because I can grate an hour and not have touched his presence and
• 1:50:06
  a touch of his presence is worth much more than an hour talking, so
• 1:50:12
  I think all leadership needs that. He needs that because there are people.
• 1:50:15
  The leader who doesn' t go for that is being passed over by people.
• 1:50:19
  And that' s the dangerous thing. Sometimes I also give a lesson
• 1:50:23
  that was good for the networks or the media, and I don' t
• 1:50:27
  want to create a conflict for a concierge, but sometimes I realize that if
• 1:50:30
  I release a word and people get it, if people get it before their
• 1:50:34
  own leader causes a problem and even if they don' t want it,
• 1:50:39
  today it generates that media. No, then we should all at this time
• 1:50:44
  take that precaution and that commitment to God to turn to the source that is
• 1:50:50
  that which is interesting. The issue of the pandemic has taught us well,
• 1:50:56
  see. It' s been four years since then, but it' s
• 1:51:00
  true. He told me, one of the leaders of the Church of God
• 1:51:03
  in the world who came to administer pastors. Two thousand twenty- one a
• 1:51:10
  year ago he was managing who hotel on the Valencian coast and an interesting man,
• 1:51:17
  not Darrell, and he said the pandemic caused in the United States that
• 1:51:25
  one third of the Church, thirty- two percent have not returned to the
• 1:51:28
  Church. They' re either in no man' s land or they'
• 1:51:33
  re in limbo. No. And it' s true because I' ve
• 1:51:39
  sometimes thought and meditated on no one, neither the Russian, nor the Chinese,
• 1:51:44
  nor anyone else. Nobody knew anything. And this showed us that yes.
• 1:51:47
  Looks like we' ve got everything under control. Someone' s got
• 1:51:50
  it under control in a lab. No, there was no fault that harmed
• 1:51:56
  Tolo Parra, but it was a general essay, clear for the end of
• 1:52:00
  the finals. It was a general essay because it was a hypothesis. And
• 1:52:05
  yet, thank God, we were late to get out of the bottling that
• 1:52:12
  caused the pandemic and the deaths and fear and global panic that was terrifying.
• 1:52:18
  What would we do in a situation of eventuality that we would do now we
• 1:52:25
  have to ask ourselves, because it is that now, seeing what we are
• 1:52:28
  seeing. Anything can happen. Of course, God is not free, but
• 1:52:32
  it can happen. It' s happened and you used to say. Everything
• 1:52:35
  that happened in the 20th century was much more intense than in all human history.
• 1:52:43
  In the 20th century alone two world wars, genocides, atrocious astronomical advances,
• 1:52:47
  technological advances, medical science and everything goes tremendous, I no longer say
• 1:52:53
  in the 21st century, with networks and with the media, artificial intelligence,
• 1:52:56
  I mean, at this time the history of the measured is advanced more than
• 1:53:00
  in all history, in a century and three decades, more than in all
• 1:53:05
  previous history, I mean, that we are going at a meteoric speed towards
• 1:53:12
  where we are going. And the change that was cultural, social, values,
• 1:53:17
  the change of values that took place was tremendous now. That is why
• 1:53:24
  I say that the Church should have done a much deeper reading of what the
• 1:53:29
  pandemic did, of how we handled the issue of the pandemic, of the
• 1:53:32
  consequences it caused and of what we did not see. In other words,
• 1:53:35
  the Church has recognized the need for God' s direction and for the warning
• 1:53:41
  of the things to come, of the Nisterium, of the prophetic movement and
• 1:53:45
  all that she wants. But we were not warned of such a thing.
• 1:53:47
  No, not as we should be warned. If you ask me, I
• 1:53:54
  think it is clear that I believe in a prophetic church because we need God
• 1:53:59
  ' s direction. I believe in the ministry of many. I believe that
• 1:54:02
  today, there is a large percentage who can say that they are apostles or
• 1:54:08
  prophets or what they were as pastor and good sometimes they are not, but
• 1:54:12
  I do believe the truth of all that. The point is that we should
• 1:54:14
  not have distracted some ministries to entertain the brothers, but to delay the government.
• 1:54:20
  That is, when we looked at the prophets in the old Covenant,
• 1:54:26
  we discovered that they were close to the Government. They could speak publicly,
• 1:54:30
  but the main word was brought to the kings, to whom government decisions had
• 1:54:33
  to be made. So the same thing happens with the Church Today, the
• 1:54:40
  way God has to pass us direction is at governmental levels, not making events
• 1:54:44
  so that they can give him a word of encouragement, of impulse, of
• 1:54:48
  leadership stimuli to the little brothers at the prophetic congresses. And all that,
• 1:54:54
  I think that distracts them from a prophet, usually in the old covenant,
• 1:55:00
  although the prophetic ministry of the new covenant of absolutely different in the dynamics of
• 1:55:05
  expression is quite different. But anyway, they were strange, retracted people,
• 1:55:10
  who were with God, who were not half antisocial, they were difficult to
• 1:55:15
  cope with. But when a word came down, let down a word of
• 1:55:18
  God for the government, because they were always linked to the leadership of the
• 1:55:23
  nation. Today, let' s move on to the spiritual. It'
• 1:55:27
  s the same thing. The Holy Nation of God needs direction. It is
• 1:55:30
  expressed through the church and the designs of the Church. But we need to
• 1:55:36
  be redirected so that we don' t work on human schemes and human structures,
• 1:55:43
  but under the Lord' s impulse and direction, and we don'
• 1:55:45
  t have to recognize that. That there was a lack there And for me,
• 1:55:48
  the worst thing that can happen to us is that, after a crisis
• 1:55:51
  like the one that was experienced, let' s continue like nothing happened and
• 1:55:56
  with our activities, without changing anything. I have to have made an assessment
• 1:56:00
  of what happened, how we react, how we assimilate it and what can
• 1:56:02
  come. Because it' s written that there are things that are going to
• 1:56:08
  be worse interesting. They realize our listeners and those who are seeing us in
• 1:56:12
  f like, but especially the following ones of modulated frequency in the different Spanish
• 1:56:16
  cities, they realize how many things can be intersected from this conversation with the
• 1:56:23
  pastor and writer and lecturer and international teacher, Rualdo Rebolleda Rebolledo, that you
• 1:56:30
  notice if you merit the titles of your book, because it attests to that
• 1:56:39
  in the conversation, in the knowledge of so many topics we could be with
• 1:56:44
  some of the topics that we enter from this conversation a whole program, only
• 1:56:48
  with some of the topics. Sure, because there' s a lot to
• 1:56:56
  talk about and well, how can Osvaldo people who say hey I' d
• 1:57:00
  like to. I' m going to read the books of the pastor Rebolleda
• 1:57:05
  Rebolleda, if that actor Rebolleda is, I' m going to read them
• 1:57:15
  Osvaldo Rebolleta, com also has its walls of faxes from social networks, but
• 1:57:24
  its messages also that can listen in audios and videos. I don' t
• 1:57:27
  think so, too. It' s good, too. Actually, on
• 1:57:30
  the top page of the link you can go to the different sites. At
• 1:57:33
  first there is the agenda, because there is figure where I am, where
• 1:57:39
  I am going and whatever. There are the videos, which is a link
• 1:57:42
  that connects us to YouTube and there is one that says audios, that connects
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  us to all the different audio series, that, well, there are a
• 1:57:49
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• 1:57:55
  to download and for all free, of course, yes, yes, well,
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  s people and people in general. So, well, you can take advantage
• 1:58:06
  of it on the Osvaldo Rebolleda com page and also audio books videos and this
• 1:58:15
  same program, which is also going to be posted on audio networks also that
• 1:58:20
  is people who say I would like to meet, talk to Pastor Rebolledo,
• 1:58:30
  write to him, contact him, people in particular or pastors or leaders of
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  the evangelical work. Somewhere I would be interested to meet you, listen to
• 1:58:43
  you, talk to him, maybe invite you in a moment, given how
• 1:58:46
  you can also do on the same page. We have behind schedule in the
• 1:58:53
  last one is contacts. Sure then, well, there' s the mail,
• 1:58:59
  my personal mail that I' m handling or via facebook. Also one
• 1:59:01
  connects with this via Facebook or my personal mail. There are all the data
• 1:59:09
  on my page, there are all the forms of connection and with all pleasure
• 1:59:14
  this being able to talk to the pastors and whoever I need for some reason.
• 1:59:19
  Sometimes there are pastors who, well, I am continually talking to pastors
• 1:59:24
  who are friends, who I know, who do not necessarily work with me
• 1:59:29
  under my authority, are not friends and sometimes I go to the Church and
• 1:59:33
  preach, but we are always in contact for advice, for a doubt they
• 1:59:40
  have or for a topic they are preparing, so that we can develop something.
• 1:59:45
  Then always, well it' s my job and I do it with
• 1:59:48
  great pleasure, with great joy. So you can connect them through the pages
• 1:59:53
  here in contacts. Also inside the page is in the emails info arroba Osvaldo
• 2:00:00
  Rebolleda com and also Rebolleda arroba Hotmail com then and there, well, you
• 2:00:06
  can give it if you have taken it to the great flight and if you
• 2:00:12
  can not enter, you can enter the page and see and write it and
• 2:00:16
  get in touch, as it has been a real honor. Osvaldo, you
• 2:00:23
  ' re here before you leave because you' re traveling tonight. Well,
• 2:00:27
  yeah, yeah, tonight I' m already going back to Argentina and well,
• 2:00:30
  I' m going to be a little bit there I have some activities
• 2:00:35
  also when I' m in Argentina and well and there I go to the
• 2:00:39
  United States for about a month and I hope to return to Spain. We
• 2:00:41
  have everything scheduled for the next trip in October. There are already at least
• 2:00:47
  a few palpable activities, but well, I say we' ll see,
• 2:00:53
  because the Lord only knows. It' s not what' s gonna happen
• 2:00:55
  to us tomorrow, but good is the idea. If the Lord wants it,
• 2:00:58
  so it will be not if well, for we will be aware that
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  it will be a pleasure to be with you again and also enjoy your company
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  and your Ministry. Well, thank you so much for the invitation. Thank
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  you a pleasure to me. Nice to meet you. Shared the last meal
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  we had there just over a month ago in Murcia, there with the Murcians
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  and with our Catalan half- murtian that we have there. Antonio, a
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  good friend, pastor Antonio Ventas and the breath of life the church. He
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  ' s the pastor of that church, with his radio station, with his
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  work. He' s a tireless worker. This man is tremendous and the
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  truth is good, for we will be in contract. Thank you for having
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  been with making this stop and bottom, because we have to eat a meal,
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  sing now how good until the next bucket. Thank you, thank you
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  very much. Chao, the train of life, Jesus Christ res Co Soberan
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  vitorioso neither the death could have and to gratify God imposire to you we do
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  not adore you are invincible to sovereignty all the glory, yours all the jesucriso
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  lono renas comp soveran seen me on neither the death nest of semper his rod
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  to conquer I imposive yagos selo imposive if I sive sabralo already is undoubtedly the
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  lla with ores worker lisea if coda or tos of very invisible yadoramos you are
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  undencile leftover yours is all ho is all the cecils called incas decide so degree
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  written g vidioes or zeal imposicincias se si te writing certitus g tus todas ores
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  and all these things are more fans until he comes up to Gary today that
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  we never invite you to the second edition of this interdenominacional Congress addressed to all
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  the Body of Christ in Spain and Europe, which will take place from twenty
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  - eight to twenty- eight April in the Fira of Reus, Tarragona.
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  With us will be international speakers Mariano sen Igual, Benjamin Núñez and Marcos brunet
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  To. W loved well p famed. For more information. You can log
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  in to our wwwwww. Until he comes point is either write to the six
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  about, six, eight, eight, one, five, seven, one,
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  six hundred, sixteen, eight hundred eighty- one, five hundred seventy
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  - one and consult prices and registration modalities. Do not miss the opportunity to
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  participate in this great call. Until he comes. Until he comes or prunes
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  knees home before your low glory of plot comes and every real eye the train
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  of life, an exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable
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  journey at the pace of trem Ladies and gentlemen, is always an immense one.
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  It is not a big word bridge, it is only an immense pleasure
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  to have in the train of life a traveler very dear, very dear to
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  many of us, as it is one of the most international characters of our
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  field, as it is and you the stream and we have it there accompanying
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  us, there we have taken to the flight, because it flies in all
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  directions. This is the bird heading north, south, east and west.
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  Good morning, dear, itiel Julio, what a joy to make this stop
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  and be able to visit good friends. I love you a lot. I
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  really appreciate your love and always being here with the show audience is an honor
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  to me. Then this stop, this stop is of pleasure how good is
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  something mutual and tiel. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  hey, hey. We call it Congress because it' s a summons.
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  We do not discuss at the table or in working groups. We are
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  all a little in unison celebrating the greatness of God. Let' s look
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  at it, because more than two zero people who are already practically summoned and
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  those who are still in the last Sprint we are going to have on the
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  twenty- sixth to the twenty- eighth of April, there in Reus,
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  in the Fira de reusen Tarragona, which, by the way, we are
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  also going to you. We' re gonna have the pleasure of having you
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  among the guests. Hey, what does this call name suggest to you until
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  he comes. Well, Julio, I have to say that, although you
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  have been very kind and have put me there among the guests, I am
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  going to learn because it seems to me that it is going to be a
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  congress of much learning, challenge to acquire vision for what is coming in the
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  future and, above all, to be ready for the moment when Jesus comes.
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  No, then I want you to know that both my wife and I
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  are going with that desire to receive all that God has for us and I
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  want to encourage the audience to join this call, which I believe is a
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  divine call. I mean, July that I usually go as a guest to
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  many events, but there are some key that I reserve to attend as an
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  apprentice and this is one of them and I would like to encourage everyone else
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  to join, because I think they will learn a lot then at first I
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  would tell you this and if you want, now I will answer the question.
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  Yes, let' s see if anyone asks me from one another or
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  from or in front of you that sees about you or others hears and where
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  these people feed themselves. I don' t say well as far as I
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  know, not only do I have a great affection for Itiel, but I
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  care about her well- being. I mean it he doesn' t go
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  around saying everything he does does to the public, but what' s where
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  he slows down feeds. He knows he has a personal discipline of what he
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  has to do, but this connection, precisely of these people, is one
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  of the connections that he has in secret that I make public, because if
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  you know the mission institute, or take your place, or you know these
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  people and the substance that they have in their biblical teaching, so powerful and
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  so rich, so vitaminic, I say not good, I myself, after
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  so many years, also feed back many of his teachings that are of the
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  highest quality. I say so, and it has in this case too,
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  i e ah caramba. I say clearly what you think it is that he
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  lives from the air, no, and he lives from constant learning and I
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  also from one another interact. You' re right You' re right.
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  Someone once said that one is the result of the five closest influences in his
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  life. So, whenever someone asks me Itiel why you live, how you
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  live or why you have those approaches or that passion. I always say it
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  ' s because I' m surrounded by people who challenge me and drive me
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  to a more passionate, dedicated, committed life. And I think that,
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  as part of spiritual discipline, you don' t just have to have your
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  reading of the Bible or your prayer or your devotional search. I think you
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  also need to know how to create a good network of friends and make community.
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  For that reason, someone like me must first always be integrated into the
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  local church. That' s non- negotiable. You have to be in
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  the local community, because there is no other way to be healthy in spiritual
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  life and then take advantage of that global network that today we can harness through
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  virtual means or through this globalized world and nourish ourselves with the good influence of
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  men and women of God who challenge us to a life burning for God.
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  And I think Mariano Senewald, Benjamín Núñez, Marcos Burunet, Julio Pérez,
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  all the team behind him until he comes, are people I want to learn
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  from and I want to have a good close look to look a little bit
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  like them. You know Maria Nosen the same, Mark Brunet. In fact,
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  this one, for example, participates in the great conference that has this
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  summer there in Monte great intimacy with the beloved that people have. If you
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  were aware of that conference, you would not miss something of the best in
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  the Christian world every year. And you' re also invited with them.
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  But it means Maria Nosen Igual, Marcos Burune, Benjamin Núñez, a young
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  man. Still well, all four of them are young. But when you
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  hear Benjamin' s word and but which planet this kid came from, I
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  don' t and I don' t exaggerate that I' m not easily
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  impressed by anything. How would you describe them to each one of them,
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  starting with Marians Like we have the father, the son and the holy spirit,
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  this joke looks at each one of them. Each of them has an
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  invaluable personal wealth. First, I would point out in general that although their
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  teaching is inspiring, their people, their heart, their character, really is
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  most not of all, because not only do they preach beautiful, but they
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  are people who reflect the character of Jesus and I do not say so to
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  flatter him, but I really believe it. So, I think that what
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  they preach and what they live with is aligned, they are coherent and they
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  really live with the intensity with which they live, because they believe the message
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  they are preaching. And it seems obvious to say this, but you'
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  d be surprised to know how many people preach because it sounds nice, but
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  then it doesn' t apply that which you' re preaching in your own
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  life. And I think both Mariano and Benjamin Marcos do and the result is
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  fiery lives. I could tell you about each one of them. For me,
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  first, Marcos Brunet was someone who accompanied me in many of my moments
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  of devotional life. I think we all started meeting him when we listened to
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  the CDs. At that time of taking your place or of intimate worship,
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  and Mark Brunet, his voice, his spontaneous worship, has accompanied us in
• 2:18:22
  many devotionals. Then I discovered him as a preacher and realized that he was
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  not only a good and deep worshiper, but behind that worship there was theology,
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  there was knowledge of God and I think he has that beautiful blend of
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  a worshiper who knows the depths of God. De Mariano would tell you that
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  he is a shepherd and has understood the moment that we are living, the
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  era that has come to us to live and I believe that, as a
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  visionary man, he has been able to answer this Commission of God to create
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  a training institute to prepare many to be pioneers of the second Avenue. When
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  I spend time with him, I always learn something, and above all,
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  I learn not from the tremendous knowledge that he has so much, but from
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  the pastoral heart, because I see that he wishes to shepherd a generation,
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  to impel it to this great call to be people who prepare the way for
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  the Second Coming of Christ and Benjamin Núñez. I' d tell you he
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  ' s one of these teachers who always pulls something new and something old,
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  something new and something old out of the treasure trunk. Like you said before,
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  when you listen to him, teaching you say wow where you got this
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  from. I think you have to have a lot of concentration every time you
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  hear Benjamin is not a superficial or light message. It always lays a really
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  deep foundation for what is to come, issues related to intimacy with God,
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  Second Avenue, eschatology, and the realities of God' s Kingdom. So
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  I think each of them contributes a lot and we' re going to have
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  them in Spain. You have spoken of this Congress in Argentina, which is
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  a past, but we have the opportunity to have the same ones who are
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  in Argentina in Spain and we cannot miss this opportunity. July is fantastic from
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  the 26th to the 28th of April. We' re a few days away
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  from the date, from the big date. There, in the giant pavilion
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  of the fire of Reus, a very emblematic place of this the best place
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  of Reus. There is also a band a day before, a pre-
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  congress for pastors, already in fact, there are more than 400 pastors and
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  writings, creating that we will surely come to more. The auditorium is six
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  hundred. The auditium also that there is above the pavilion and the truth is
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  that preamble to Congress for frontline leaders. Pastors, pastors, elders, consorts
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  and leaders of the very first line, because they also have a word of
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  faith for everyone, even for the leaders. They have one characteristic in common
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  among others three of them I know all three, also Mariano. We live
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  it more closely, because it is very affectionate, besides a great messenger and
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  is that they are very passionate. All three of you, this is beyond
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  doubt. They exude passion, but have a feature that is not fashionable and
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  humble. They' re truly humble. They do not go to us as
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  messengers of Jesus, in love with Jesus. They breathe it on all four
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  sides. Then, from twenty- six to twenty- eight April for everyone
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  can enter the page until he comes tre doubles of rigor point until he comes
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  point is and there they can look for the modality. If you are a
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  pastor or lead leader, you can also come in the previous and there we
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  will be already there and he also with his family, we will all be
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  there thank God. Already or Matorrado who is my colleague, they are praying
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  and many more than pastors friends and truth that come pastors from the north,
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  from the south of the whole country. Sergio Zubillaga plays well watered uzta,
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  endless, frames, etcetera, etcetera. No And because they want to hear
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  the voice of these swordsmen, I call them the three mojeteros to s They
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  certainly like the name. I like the name And it is good that they
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  team up with men and women of God here in Spain are challenging us to
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  prepare for what is coming and I think that Spain will be as an important
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  piece on the divine game board regarding the latest final events. I believe that
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  Spain in particular will have a very interesting part in this and I believe that
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  this Congress is a divine call for the Church in Spain to become courageous,
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  to face the great challenges with courage, because it will be difficult times,
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  but also times of great glory, and I believe that one cannot separate one
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  from the other. Sometimes we just want to keep the glory and run away
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  from suffering. But the Church does not flee. The Church is present.
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  The Church takes on the challenge, the breakdown of suffering and carries it in
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  such a way that it gives glory to God. And I think that the
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  most beautiful always arises in the most horrible contexts and the greatest light shines in
• 2:24:22
  the most terrible darkness. Then I think very interesting times are coming and I
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  want to be ready Julio. Yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
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  You said it. I remember in the two thousand twelve I was in
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  Argentina and I listened to Marcos the spontaneous singing and so many beautiful things,
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  which was something original and he has a grace. In fact, we sing
• 2:24:50
  Many of the songs we sing in all the churches of the world are written
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  by Marcos Brunet and Lucas and their entire team that will be there one Saturday
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  night, at night 27 April, a concert with the whole band takes another
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  place and with like as well and all the good one. And they are
• 2:25:09
  not people who show themselves, but are worshipers of the real ones and invite
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  us all to be able to participate in that experience. But this thing on
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  Avenida de Jesús Notice, they have two axes. Well, they talk about
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  a lot of topics, they' re very inspiring and very challenging, but
• 2:25:30
  they have several of them two axes. One is the culture of intimacy with
• 2:25:31
  God, who have in it a special grace, especially Marian how to develop
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  it truly and live it that live it. And then the subject of the
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  attitude of the Church in these last times common to pioneers of the Avenue of
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  the Lord But not as an armistice nor dramatic, nor as a plan of
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  torture or terror. But beware, things are going to be as they are,
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  but live the Christian life, the whole compendium of Christian life, because
• 2:26:05
  if not I, my generation yours, probably yes my children' s Hello,
• 2:26:11
  because you could be my son perfectly hello, because my daughter is about
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  your age, and or my grandchildren very but highly likely will receive Lord Jesus
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  by the signs of the times. It means living the whole Christian life in
• 2:26:30
  all aspects in the light of Christ' s return And, as the apostle
• 2:26:33
  John says, this hope in him purifies us, sanctifies us. That'
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  s better than that. I enjoy it that way and I don' t
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  know how you absolutely live it. And I think that when we just focus
• 2:26:52
  on discovering the signs, we become a person in alarmists, maybe yellowish people.
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  But I believe that an eschatology that connects with intimacy with Jesus is the
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  eschatology that we see in Revelation, that finally, the word apocalypse means revelation,
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  is to see what is hidden. And every apocalypse is based not so
• 2:27:22
  much on the antichrist, the beast, the great Babylonian that are there,
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  but it is based above all on discovering that the great victor is Jesus and
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  understanding his glory and understanding that he is worthy to untie all the seals of
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  history. Then I believe that eschatology without intimacy can even be harmful to our
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  spiritual life. The other day, someone asked me and Tiel, do you
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  think the antichrist is such a person? Or such a person or such person?
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  And who do you think the antichrist is? And Tiel, how to
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  discover the Antichrist. And I stopped that person and I said look, I
• 2:28:07
  see you very obsessed with Antichrist. It would be much better for you to
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  know Christ, because when you know Christ deeply, you will be able to
• 2:28:20
  better discern the appearance of Antichrist, because Antichrist is just going to be the
• 2:28:24
  opposite of Christ. Whoever opposes Christ and cannot pretend to know the Antichrist if
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  you have not had an intimacy with Christ first, then I believe that our
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  great obsession should be to know the Christ and after that intimacy with him will
• 2:28:41
  derive the rest of wisdom. But wisdom, an apparent wisdom detached from intimacy.
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  It is nothing more than catological yellowings and trying to get cabals from what
• 2:28:58
  is going to happen or how it is going to be and we can have
• 2:29:03
  a good time doing it even that Christian entertainment can be fun. No,
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  but I think the most important thing is that our heart is so full of
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  the revelation of Jesus, of the coming Jesus, that we have our own
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  personal apocalypse, that we can see him and understand that he is the great
• 2:29:26
  victor of history and that we long for his coming, so that then everything
• 2:29:31
  else that is going to happen becomes meaningful within that intimacy that we have with
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  Jesus. I don' t know if I explain the point. I love
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  this reflection. I think it' s very descriptive and I can subscribe and
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  I think many are. That' s how you have to live from another
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  three movies of these already, in fact, what' s going to happen
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  is already being before our eyes. But of course, the final brooch is
• 2:29:58
  going to be a world desistable that is advocated, but this will bring us
• 2:30:05
  closer to the mega point of history. But living it in that attitude is
• 2:30:07
  if not the other. It' s a terror that seems to be that
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  I don' t know, you don' t know where you' re
• 2:30:16
  going. No. No, no, it' s not like that.
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  It' s like you were saying.“ Hey, look,” says
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  a friend of mine, Lucas Marquez, who is an international speaker. It
• 2:30:26
  also says the wheel of history," Dear friends, the Antichrist does not
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  carry it" The wheel of history takes him to Christ from the beginning and
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  to the end. He' s the one who leads the story and is
• 2:30:37
  going to end it in total victory. It is not and it says that
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  we should not attribute to Antichrist what it is not or what it is going
• 2:30:46
  to be, but what Christ really is, our lord and then good,
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  for it is pure good truth already to go closing I do not want to
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  abuse your generosity of time and to remind our listeners is that Congress until he
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  comes. And the subtitle is that I have given you, the subtitle of
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  my book, which will be released later this year. Today closer than ever,
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  look at you I' m doing spoiler on her. So, today,
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  closer than ever, until he comes. We' ll meet the guests
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  there. Mariano Senewal, director of the Instituto Misión, there in Buenos Aires,
• 2:31:26
  great speaker writer Marcos Brunet, known with all his band, comes to
• 2:31:33
  take your place in Lucas Corry company will also be managing and then Benjamin Núñez,
• 2:31:39
  also a man with a precious and inspirational word and very important. We
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  will be in Reus in Tarragona from 26 to 28 April. Very soon.
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  You can still sign up too and tie will be with us, it will
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  also be with us. He says no I come to you just to be
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  yes, but we go to him. We have to take advantage of it
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  a little, a little, a little bit of the juice. He'
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  s gonna hit us and then he' s gonna be with us and it
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  ' s gonna be you. You can enter the page. You go up
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  double point until he comes point is and there are modalities that come to the
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  Precongress. If that' s pastor or pastor elder leader, if you'
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  re a front- line leader, you can come from Thursday afternoon until Friday
• 2:32:22
  morning and then Congress for everyone. Twenty- six to the twenty- eight
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  of Friday afternoon until Sunday after lunch we concentrate there in the pavilion of the
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  giant fire and we have a concert party also with everything that team take your
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  place Saturday night and you have to enjoy it and make the most of it.
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  It' s time for truth and til and now. The truth is
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  that we cannot seize opportunities like this truth. That' s right, see
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  you there July very eagerly. I embrace you with affection and encourage everyone who
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  ' s listening to this and they say I don' t have enough time
• 2:33:05
  to organize Look. If you feel like getting out, time is worth cancelling
• 2:33:11
  some other engagement and attending this divine appointment, God is calling us as a
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  church to be pioneers of his second avenue. That' s right, dear,
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  my friend, I' m sending you a big hug and tie.
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  We hug shortly, see you soon, boy, until he comes, until
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  what. Today closer than ever, we invite you to the second edition of
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  this Interdenominational Congress aimed at the whole Body of Christ in Spain and Europe,
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  which will take place from 26 to 28 April in the Fira de Reus,
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  Tarragona. With us will be the international speakers Mariano se Igual, Benjamin Núñez
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  and Marcos Brunet. All wan mue your beloved goods we pramado for more information.
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  the opportunity to participate in this great call until he comes. Until he comes.
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  Odea prunes home rodlas before your glory, bay bu pramado Friday and everything
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  or José vera you travel on the train of life. Well, ladies and
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  gentlemen, and allow me, good day, because we are from Barcelona in
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  Catalonia and we have news, because the USA is a celebration for all the
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  evangelical people, all the Protestant people in Spain. The inauguration at last,
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  already after so much work and so long projecting a magnificent design that has attracted
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  the attention of the avant- garde architects also for its avant- garde design,
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  is worth the redundancy of the Evangelic Hospital. We called him the new
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  Evangelic Hospital, but it is the Evangelic Hospital in Barcelona and also in Spain.
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  And there we have your Director General, Reyes Gualda, who is going
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  to explain to us a little bit how things are. Good morning, Reyes,
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  good morning, Julio, delighted to be here with you. Well,
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  finally, at last, the dream has come true, right, yes,
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  yes, almost three years ago of constructions. It has burned us a lot,
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  but well, at last we have a new hospital that is beautiful,
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  as you said, It has more than ten thousand meters, two hundred beds
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  and we are very proud to inaugurate shortly. On the 13th of next Saturday
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  we move our outbuildings on Camelias Street to a new hospital or is located in
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  the lied. A very innovative area of Barcelona has been stolen. Yes,
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  yes, it is the area, the area that is growing where many companies
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  are installing, especially technological. Modern Barcelona more than contemporary. Well, then,
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  what are the services now that he offers the Evangelic Hospital of the city
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  of Barcelona in this new stage, because Julio looks before explaining that services.
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  I would like all listeners to understand what kind of hospital you are and I
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  wanted to expect that we are a hospital specialized in the recovery of fragile people
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  who have several chronic diseases and make them very vulnerable to any health problems that
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  have happened, because it causes a great deterioration in them, both physically and
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  often also at the cognitive level, is to locate the type of hospital that
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  we are. So, this is a hospital called an intermediate care hospital.
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  It is something that this concept, I think it is unknown, goes to
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  unknown to the ordinary citizen and is called some reasons why it is called intermediate.
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  It is because it is in this intermediate period between that it is that
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  I give them a hospital and you return home, because this type of people,
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  who usually coincide with people are older, their recovery is quite slow and
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  require a stay in hospital after the hospital. So it is this time between
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  a person leaving the hospital, returning home or returning to the residence where he
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  lived. That kind of medicine we make, that' s specialized in these
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  kind of people. The three key axes is a very integral vision of the
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  person, a vision that not only affects the physical part, being also the
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  emotional part, the psychological part, the spiritual part, also the focus.
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  As it is supersounds that have many basic pathologies or more generally more than four,
• 2:39:22
  it requires an approach or a treatment of their situation from a very multidisciplinary
• 2:39:28
  point of view, which involves doctors, nurses, occupational plautas pisios, psychologists,
• 2:39:37
  social workers and with everything, the team. The third key of this
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  kind of attention that is designed an individual plan for each person to be able
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  to recover and achieve the objectives of returning home, of doing the road again
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  day by day, of being autonomous, etcetera. So this is the type
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  of the hospital and within this guy' s hospital our services, because we
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  have both partner of its spiralization and outpatient hospitalization services. We have, as
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  I said before, two hundred beds divided into units of supuds. It is.
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  When a patient pays for emergencies, he has just been diagnosed and already
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  from the emergency room, he goes directly to our hospital for treatment, which
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  can last between eight or ten days. Then we have the functional recovery unit,
• 2:40:33
  which are for febook fractures another type of fractures that must be very intensive
• 2:40:39
  decentration in rehabitation. We don' t also have a long- stay unit
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  that already has a patient. There it can be, because more days about
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  a hundred days that are shelves in which the cures, which are complex and
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  take a long time, the patient in or that redefined and then we also
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  have a unit of pure valiatives that what is sought is comfort and that the
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  patient is painless in the last days of his life. On the other hand,
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  we also have at the outpatient level a therapeutic day hospital that we have
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  about thirty pests to make both functional and cognitive realizations and specialized geriatric consultations in
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  the near future. What we are going to do is we are going to
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  expand the hospital beyond what are the four walls and we are going to do
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  home care and home care also to the same type of patient profile that we
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  have and there is a project, which is a very innovative project in the
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  city of Barcelona, which we are going to do together with the professional is
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  LIX, which is the ninth Catalan health situation, and we are going to
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  make a community unit of fragility. I also want to specify that we are
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  a hospital is a private foundation of Christian values and we offer public service,
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  so we work hand in hand with all public health resources. I' ve
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  explained myself little extensive, but no, but happy every time the kind of
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  specialists you' ve perfectly updated us and besides, you know, we celebrate.
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  I also celebrate clearly we spoke with different health and professional means and this
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  type of intermediate care hospitals is deficient in Barcelona, that is, it means
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  that there are few yes places attended. This type of uchas is deficient.
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  Yeah, yeah, that' s why it' s one, it'
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  s an offer, it' s a proposal coming up. It is covering
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  a great need in this kind of intermediate assistance between transitions that is not usual
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  and I think it is a great service and that audacity also to discover a
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  need. Of course, because of the rest there are many proposals. Obviously
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  not, but in this case it has. And more, how' s
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  our society going? We don' t have more and more older people in
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  society. He thinks that by two thousand and thirty, twenty- five percent
• 2:43:43
  of the society will be over sixty- five years old. I mean,
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  we have a society that good people live for many years. It is positive,
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  no, but also that the approach to health needs to be adapted and
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  I believe that we have an evangelical hospital that manages these kinds of needs.
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  It' s something of great value to society. In the end, it
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  is a necessity in an increase and I think we are in the place that
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  also touch the vision. The vision of having a health approach is not so
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  specific. If you' re young, you have an offender, you go
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  to a hospital, they diagnose you, and there' s a protocol that
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  ' s more than evidence that works and they apply it to you. Instead,
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  when we talk about older people who have different pathologies, the approach gets
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  complicated because what is good for pneumonia, in the end you get rid of
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  that other thing and that complexity managed from the respective holistic integral is what I
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  think is richer and I am happy to be able to dedicate myself to working
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  in a hospital with that holistic vision. Yes, yes, and the truth
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  another of the things, among others, that have been striking by what we
• 2:45:24
  are seeing and reading even the secular media, the Evangeli Hospital, which until
• 2:45:31
  now was the no, but it is new, but it is the Evangeli
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  Hospital. It has been praised by many for its original architecture. What is
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  in Barcelona' s landscaping and this is the truth, is that it is
• 2:45:43
  very peculiar. And that too, because it is a plus of call attention,
• 2:45:48
  at least to the observer. Yeah, or we had to. We
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  have built on a plot that is public, that and that had a fault,
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  that is catalogued and, therefore, we have built six floors, combining
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  them with a historical facade that were the former garages of the metropolitan transports of
• 2:46:13
  Barcelona. The architects we select for the project are the architects very specialized in
• 2:46:24
  healthcare. They do many hospitals and they also have many awards and they have
• 2:46:30
  done a great project. The façade combines very well with the surroundings. It
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  has different green colors that simulate the trees and when the plants go up,
• 2:46:48
  the building becomes more white, blue and also grayish. Simulating the clouds of
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  Barcelona, it simulates very well what is a landscape of Barcelona. It is
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  also located in a horite area and allows in all rooms that all have lots
• 2:47:09
  of light. A lot of light is made a design that optimizes the visual
• 2:47:16
  contact with the outside, as it also coincides that it is exterior. It
• 2:47:20
  is one of the first superillas of Barcelona, which is an environment, since
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  it is very clear and beautiful. Yes, the truth is that we had
• 2:47:30
  made it clear, we have also taken advantage of the latest technologies in terms
• 2:47:35
  of sustainability and we were very clear that we wanted to build a hospital that
• 2:47:43
  was perceived by patients and families that we serve as very human and very welcoming,
• 2:47:50
  and that we have. I think we' ve made it. Also
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  talk about works of art. We have cession of the Corts family, the
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  cono art works of Johanns and some other artists, so it is also a
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  space in which we will eat art and health. That' s nice,
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  that' s original, and that' s nice, too. I'
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  ve discovered and I think that many of us have realized that you' ve
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  given him a lot of love. In addition to the novelty, so desired
• 2:48:22
  and desired by all the evangelical people, the Protestant people, the populace protesting
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  Catalonia and Spain also, as it is not one in any way, is
• 2:48:35
  a flagship book the evangelical hospital. True, yes, yes, well,
• 2:48:41
  may it become. There is also another thing that is also important that we
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  know that we are the first to design a double room with the opposite beds.
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  This allows both patients who are in the same room to see the outside,
• 2:49:01
  even though they can run the curtain, that is, it works with
• 2:49:07
  two curtains and they can both see the exterior and what is the design of
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  the room, two individual rooms with those participate and this has been visited we
• 2:49:18
  have passed many visits by other hospitals that are proposing reforms or that are doing
• 2:49:24
  new work to evaluate so to follow this model. And now the next hospital
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  he' s going to do, which is a mental health whistle in Barcelona,
• 2:49:35
  and so on this model. So we' re very happy that we
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  ' ve changed the way the service is going to be provided in these types
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  of double rooms, because it changes a lot for the patient. The possibilities
• 2:49:50
  offered by this room are much wider than those of a traditional room. They
• 2:49:58
  also have separate lights. One patient from the other two televisions is a grey
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  is like a higher level of double action. As for volunteers and also apart
• 2:50:13
  from the volunteers of the Evangelic Hospital and more, in this new stage there
• 2:50:18
  is also a call for the solidarity of volunteers that can give an important and
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  clear role for us volunteers. It' s part of our DNA. Our
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  mission is to offer, is to provide physical, emotional and spiritual well-
• 2:50:41
  being with a model of attention, a tape to the person. And this,
• 2:50:46
  in order to get this out, is very important the work that volunteers
• 2:50:48
  do, for volunteers who can spend time and offer their affection at the foot
• 2:50:56
  of bed so few famous of time all, because that is very, very,
• 2:51:01
  very important to patients and to table a song with them and get to
• 2:51:05
  know them more thoroughly, make them feel they have value. All this is
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  a plus that without the volunteers we couldn' t make it. Then it
• 2:51:15
  is necessary that we have and I give a ride to whoever wants to volunteer.
• 2:51:20
  There are many options to be able to offer help, from accompanying patients
• 2:51:31
  to medical visits outside our hospital, that accompaniment that before also told them the
• 2:51:39
  spiritual accompaniment for those volunteers who are well prepared in this field. Well,
• 2:51:45
  the truth is, the fan is very wide and yes, the truth is.
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  If someone who hears this message wants to be part of our type of
• 2:51:54
  volunteers, then that enters the web and contact us there is a contact tab
• 2:52:00
  and we have more information than values and can really be a site where it
• 2:52:07
  can be developed. That' s his magnificent volunteer. We' ve asked
• 2:52:13
  for moves, but really? I don' t want to ask for more,
• 2:52:20
  because it' s so successful that we have over a hundred volunteers,
• 2:52:24
  that is, we' re going to assign one volunteer per patient, that
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  ' s almost really been a great satisfaction of all those who have wanted to
• 2:52:39
  come together to get there how nice this speaks of the collective illusion that also
• 2:52:45
  in the evangelical people ay for this hospital that is at the service of all.
• 2:52:46
  Of course, nothing more would be missing clear than yes, but only
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  in a summarized way for our listeners who have incorporated themselves and are somewhat unaware
• 2:52:58
  of the existence of the Evangelic Hospital of Barcelona and at this very new age,
• 2:53:05
  the historical origins of the Evangeli Hospital in the city of Barcelona, which
• 2:53:09
  are very interesting medium, even when there were few care facilities one of them
• 2:53:16
  was the Evangeli Hospital in its time as a dispensary that later became a hospital.
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  True, yes, it goes back to 1, 800 seventy- nine
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  hundred and forty- five years we are a hospital or one of the oldest
• 2:53:37
  thousands in Barcelona. Together with Sanpao, I mean, we have a very
• 2:53:41
  beautiful downhill trajectory. Of course, Angel Hospital and Cornace for a need for
• 2:53:46
  the evangelists to be treated in a correct way in the health centers that at
• 2:53:56
  that time were all basically Catholics and there was discrimination for the evangelicals. Of
• 2:54:03
  course this has changed a lot over time. That was its beginning there is
• 2:54:09
  that a free hospital was opened that catered to all kinds of people, regardless
• 2:54:16
  of their faith and on equal terms then, of course, it was a
• 2:54:22
  hospital that was supported, helped by international funds and became a high- tech
• 2:54:30
  hospital, in which it was state- of- the- art and had
• 2:54:37
  a lot of prestige. Then, already with the Spanish Civil War, because
• 2:54:41
  it already became a field hospital, to be a habit point, habitation for
• 2:54:45
  children and older people, that gave milk, street people, food and then
• 2:54:50
  had to yield because of a political depression, to the foreign gatherings and it
• 2:55:00
  was the hospital of the foreign colonies. And at the death of the Frank
• 2:55:07
  and with religious freedom, he gave himself back to the pathonate of the evangelical
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  churches and was once again a hospital, to the evangelical hospital. We have
• 2:55:26
  already reached a stage in which, because of the reform of public health,
• 2:55:31
  a concert was reached with the evangelical hospital and since nineteen hundred and seventy-
• 2:55:35
  six also makes public health and grace private health. And lately, because we
• 2:55:43
  have moved to make a center of internal evidence of the many years and now
• 2:55:50
  we inaugurate new stage, a new building two thousand twenty- four. Yeah,
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  exactly good. We' re practically in the opening this month, aren
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  ' t we? Yeah, yeah. The transfer is next weekend. As
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  for openings, we plan to do them after the transfer, so that we
• 2:56:11
  are there, we are all already evolving the whole hospital in a normal way.
• 2:56:18
  Think that not only do we have to make a transfer, which is
• 2:56:22
  the traditional grangélic hospital that you know on Camelia Street, but that in the
• 2:56:28
  last two years we have expanded and now we have patients in other hospitals,
• 2:56:33
  we have patients in the hospital of Hope. We have two floors from there,
• 2:56:37
  so first we move the patients from Camelias Street and then we move a
• 2:56:43
  few weeks later, week and mediate the patients in Hope. So, when
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  we' re all together there, we' ll do the openings. We
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  plan to make four, that is to say, openings, the first with
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  the staff, with our professionals, the second with the angelic people, which
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  is a time to be able to celebrate and we want to do it,
• 2:57:15
  because in our style, really in a time of participation and of so great
• 2:57:22
  years, And then we will also give after the elections, we will make
• 2:57:31
  a good opening that participates in the politicians and also the sector that directs us,
• 2:57:35
  let' s say in the field of health. And finally, we
• 2:57:37
  want to do an open day with the neighborhood, with the neighbors and be
• 2:57:43
  there to let us know how beautiful, how beautiful it will be. Moreover,
• 2:57:48
  and it is also intelligent to do so after the elections, because now
• 2:57:52
  well, as they are in all the political discourse and not to be told,
• 2:57:58
  let us say that the Evangelis are a hospital for everyone, for all
• 2:58:03
  the citizens and at the service of all the people of Barcelona and of the
• 2:58:09
  people of Catalonia, of course, and of course not by extension towards the
• 2:58:13
  Spanish people. But kings, besides celebrating it that we celebrate it above all
• 2:58:18
  as an evangelical people, for it is Protestant. What we can bring evangelical
• 2:58:26
  believers and the evangelical churches of Catalonia to the Evangelic Hospital in this new stage.
• 2:58:33
  What can be our benign and positive contribution, because I already believe that
• 2:58:41
  what we can contribute today to the churches and also in the hospital itself a
• 2:58:46
  rapprochement, to provide more information with our part and to create interest in knowing
• 2:58:56
  what we do And I would tell you without interest and be identification with a
• 2:59:05
  work that aims to care for people and manage people and fulfill the mission that
• 2:59:09
  we have all received. So what I would tell you is that identification with
• 2:59:15
  mission and this interest and, of course, a commitment to prayer and volunteering.
• 2:59:26
  Anyone who wants to help us on a recurring basis is welcome and even
• 2:59:33
  volunteers. Perhaps they are different from traditional and professional lawyers or communication experts or
• 2:59:39
  other types of profiles that help us to make the Angelic spice recognized to us
• 2:59:46
  that we can communicate abroad not only the affection we put to things, but
• 2:59:54
  the professionalism with which we want to alternate and every day is improved. Well,
• 3:00:05
  well, it is also clear, the establishment of professionals, this very
• 3:00:09
  first level of the Evangelic Hospital how it has always been characterized, even in
• 3:00:18
  its old stage. Now what happens is that it is also a relaunch in
• 3:00:22
  a version already avant- garde for the design that is striking. It is
• 3:00:28
  kindly striking and, moreover, because of the novelty of a bet to the
• 3:00:33
  day of modernity, of a series of accents that, therefore, has more
• 3:00:39
  updated. Obviously, one step forward. And well, and it' s
• 3:00:45
  a badge buoki for the city and also for the whole evangelical people, because
• 3:00:52
  we' re there, it' s worth asking you to be like we
• 3:01:01
  already saw we opened our professionals by April, we already have them, but
• 3:01:05
  the truth is that yes, we' re always looking for nurses, looking
• 3:01:07
  for doctors. And the truth if from the evangelical people wanted to enter the
• 3:01:16
  hospital to work and to conceive that this is an issue point, because it
• 3:01:22
  would also be very interesting, of course, entering the website. They can
• 3:01:26
  contact you directly professionals. And so much and so much, yes, yes,
• 3:01:31
  yes surely that in other parts of Spain there will be interesting professional people
• 3:01:37
  that there are to see them, those, there are and are not so
• 3:01:41
  few indigenous as many Latin Americans who are professionals of medicine and that we,
• 3:01:48
  I, for example, in our own churches, in Spain, in forty
• 3:01:54
  and so many churches Britania, we have medical professionals and surely some would like
• 3:02:03
  to think about the Evangeli Hospital and Barcelona. But in any case, we
• 3:02:05
  make this public appeal. Also of course, if you enter the website of
• 3:02:09
  the Hospital Evangelic of Barcelona, all the information mesh, yes, dear kings
• 3:02:16
  and you have something more to add, because already I will leave you because
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  you have work, but it is this part of the time that you have
• 3:02:26
  dedicated to us and the thanks personally of polio. Of course, then,
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  with great pleasure kings that we give at your disposal this is always your station
• 3:02:33
  and, of course, your home. I also send you a very affectionate
• 3:02:37
  greeting. Chao Chaocho Hello, socrayes Walda, director Sanadalda to the very good
• 3:02:46
  groups instance Avanteli. I am Dr Jesús Alburquerque, director of the Hospital de
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  Evangeli de Barcelona, Ans famul Faliss announced the official traciada way of maco plano,
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  have lent them to me in curantas hooks thanks. The new facilities make
• 3:03:01
  up a hospital not an innovative, functional and minting construction. You' ve
• 3:03:09
  also given a thousand square meters, distributed large hospital plants and action and two
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  in git. We want to welcome you to our new rehabilitation hospital, friendly
• 3:03:18
  and human. Every detail has been designed to ensure the patient' s best
• 3:03:22
  experience and community environment. We welcome you to this new innovative building in the
• 3:03:28
  city of Barcelona. A hospital of parmeyudaldas kans sañad, some ford and the
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  emotional statue of the person each floor of an external jar fined yum a reactivated
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  ginna and a spice communints amplis and hewn in place works, give partc the
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  difficult to enrich and stimulate the recovery to the pacien some double and individual rooms,
• 3:03:52
  designed to facilitate to the maximum the recovery of the patient and his well
• 3:03:56
  - being. The team of professions at your service or s o r develop
• 3:04:00
  their work better thanks to the innovative one available to the different elements, such
• 3:04:05
  as the new placement of the beds or the attenuated functioning of the lights not
• 3:04:09
  performed in building a difficult sustanipla and respectuos call media bien or gives show typus
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  certificat gives to the missions dateo two, the installation to photool tikas plates and
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  the connections to the sharsis of the twenty- two steal an, concrete to
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  the pneumatic collection of arras ilus and to the thermal that provides you igua freda
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  and calenta. We finally reached the phoenix of this project. It has been
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  months and months to devise, build and equip the new building. We are
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  facing a historic moment of our entity. We invite you to be a witness
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  to this new stage in the Evangelly Hospital in Barcelona for themos months organize the
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  plat transit pargar in front of an agile and a hundred- year- old
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  sau process. It is an opportunity mesda collaboration in transtechnic profascidas to the hospital
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  integrated voluntari and also pascien you aspara that thanks to everyone, plagues to the
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  transjatsto your nexit. We look forward to sharing this special hospital with you at
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  the Avantelec Hospital in Barcelona. If you want to visit our website wwwwww.
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  The train of life. The train of life evangelical churches a place of peace
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  and friendship. You can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or
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  your population. You' ll be very welcome.